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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody, Welcome to Move the Sticks presented by Castro, Edge,

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Speaker 1: DJ and Bucky Back with you today. And I know

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Speaker 1: we have a big weekend of football coming up. We've

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Speaker 1: got the playoffs, the wild Card round and you can

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Speaker 1: go to a lot of different podcasts and find the

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Speaker 1: preview for that wild Card round. We want to do

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Speaker 1: something a little different today. We want to get a chance,

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Speaker 1: as teams are hiring coaches and general managers and you

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Speaker 1: think about what you're looking for there from a leadership standpoint,

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Speaker 1: somebody to be at the front of the team as

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Speaker 1: a head coacher, as a general manager. So we we

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Speaker 1: wanted to come up with a guest we thought could

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Speaker 1: offer some tremendous insight of of what it looks like

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Speaker 1: And I couldn't think of a better one than this

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Speaker 1: one is Chris Peterson Um, who I'm sure you guys

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Speaker 1: are familiar with. Um was really unbelievable with the run

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Speaker 1: he had at Boise State. He then goes to the

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Speaker 1: University of Washington. When's a couple of Pack twelve titles

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Speaker 1: there has a ton of success there as well. Really

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Speaker 1: viewed is one of the best coaches in the country

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Speaker 1: regardless of level, and then decided really in his prime,

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Speaker 1: uh to walk away, to step away from coaching, and

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Speaker 1: uh we wanted to catch up with him and find

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Speaker 1: out what he was up to and see if we

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Speaker 1: couldn't get some insight into what these owners should be

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Speaker 1: looking for and head coaches and general managers. And I

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Speaker 1: think you guys are gonna really dig this conversation. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Here is our visit with Chris Peterson. All right, Buck

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Speaker 1: excited to have a good friend back on the show again.

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Speaker 1: We get a chance to meet with him just about

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Speaker 1: every year at the Pack twelve Media Days and and

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Speaker 1: really we look forward to catching up with him. Today.

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Speaker 1: It's coach Chris Peterson joining us. Coach. How you doing, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Um, I'm hanging in there good and

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys are too. Now absolutely we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get into uh some some team building, culture building as

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Speaker 1: as all these NFL teams are starting to try and

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Speaker 1: But before we get there, what have you been up to? Man,

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Speaker 1: we were curious were you've been up to. Well, I've

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Speaker 1: I'm doing some stuff, um with our business school. UM.

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Speaker 1: There's a kind of in down leadership position over there.

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Speaker 1: So I do different, different type stuff, mentoring some NBA's

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Speaker 1: I'm not teaching a class right now, might be something

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Speaker 1: you know, I had this built for life philosophy kind

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Speaker 1: the road of people. You know, coach. I think it's

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Speaker 1: interesting that you have that connection with the business school

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Speaker 1: number one, it's about others, right, It's about inspiring and

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Speaker 1: You know, Coach, you mentioned something that I think happens

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Speaker 1: we're good. This is what we get paid for. This

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Speaker 1: is exciting. We'll get Teddy going him and Teddy is

429
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Speaker 1: a great player where we're gonna get him going, I mean,

430
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Speaker 1: and it's and he meant, and he went on for

431
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Speaker 1: five minutes about how like and I walked away thinking

432
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: no way the next five games all and so it's

433
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Speaker 1: that combination of obviously a really good play, you know,

434
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Speaker 1: he Teddy Bridge, you got a lot of talent, and

435
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Speaker 1: then that support and that belief in that mindset. It

436
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Speaker 1: was phenomenal. I mean, in that five minute conversation we

437
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Speaker 1: had about that, I walked away from that conversation was

438
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Speaker 1: fired as a coach. Coach, you mentioned Tom Brady and

439
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: Bucky and I talked about this all the time when

440
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Speaker 1: we look at quarterbacks that have kind of hit and

441
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Speaker 1: then have struggled, Right, So you have trying to figure out,

442
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Speaker 1: man that the skill sets look the same, um you

443
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Speaker 1: look at the training is similar. This guy makes that,

444
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Speaker 1: this guy doesn't. And we kind of came up with

445
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: this image of Tom Brady and if you've seen him before,

446
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: of him on vacation with his family on a beach

447
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Speaker 1: with his shoulder pads on going through drops on the

448
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Speaker 1: beach on vacation, and I'm like, this is not he

449
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 1: doesn't turn this off, like this is always on. And

450
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Speaker 1: that to me when we try I figure out why

451
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Speaker 1: why this one hit and this one missed? Man, it

452
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: seems like nine times that attendant is that. It's a commitment,

453
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: it's a drive, it's a work ethic, it's a passion

454
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: thing more than it is anything other than you know,

455
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: the skill type thing. There's no question. I mean, he's

456
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Speaker 1: a one per center. You know, you can say whatever.

457
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,479
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody would say, like you watch his you know,

458
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 1: his combined video weight, like how he runs his physical tools.

459
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Speaker 1: It's not about that, it's so obvious. It's that drive.

460
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: It's that It's like, how about how every time after

461
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Speaker 1: they have a look, like when he was with the

462
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Speaker 1: Patriots and they had, you know, a bad loss or something,

463
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Speaker 1: everybody's ready to write them off. For two, you could

464
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Speaker 1: just see the fire in his eyes. And with Tampa Bay,

465
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Speaker 1: you know one of the podcasts that that that I

466
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Speaker 1: love to listen to It's How I Built this It's

467
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Speaker 1: my favorite. Well, so the thing is like you can

468
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Speaker 1: listen to five of those and it's the same traits,

469
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Speaker 1: like this roadblock after roadwalk after roadblock, and they just

470
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Speaker 1: figure out how what the next movie is. And that's

471
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Speaker 1: what I think about the you know, the great quarterbacks

472
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Speaker 1: are the great competitors, like most of us would tap

473
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Speaker 1: out like this is too I'm just I can't get them.

474
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Speaker 1: You know, so many people were probably thinking about inventing

475
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Speaker 1: great things, but they ran out of money and they

476
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: you know, regulations, you can't do it. Not the those guys,

477
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: they figure out the next move and they're always on there,

478
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Speaker 1: like last straw and then this happened, and then this happened.

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Speaker 1: And it's kind of the same characteristics. It's like the flywheel.

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Speaker 1: It's also that's by the way, the book is out.

481
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Speaker 1: You gotta read the book on How I Built this book.

482
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Speaker 1: I'm almost finished with it. It's a phenomenal you'll love it.

483
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: But but it's also the same thing as the flywheel. Right,

484
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Speaker 1: It's like the Good to Great with Jim Collins where

485
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Speaker 1: he talks about it takes forever to pull that wheel.

486
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Speaker 1: But man, once you can get that thing spinning, you know,

487
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Speaker 1: then you're off and running. It's it's it's it's the

488
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Speaker 1: tough part to get to that point. Once you get

489
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Speaker 1: that thing spinning, you're you're good, absolutely good to great,

490
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Speaker 1: one of the top three. But I don't even like to,

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Speaker 1: you know, use the word there's as books because I

492
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: think it applies to teams and organizations so love, you know,

493
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Speaker 1: coach one of the last things. This is interesting. I

494
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Speaker 1: think you can relate to it as a coach. Rum

495
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Speaker 1: Rivera had a situation where you talked about I want

496
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Speaker 1: guys who love pro football, not guys who love being

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Speaker 1: professional football players. And to me, my interpretation was, I

498
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Speaker 1: want people on my team that are deeply invested in

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Speaker 1: winning as I am. Do you agree with that sentiment?

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Speaker 1: How does that How does that resonate with you? I

501
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Speaker 1: think it goes back to the number one thing we

502
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Speaker 1: were talking about. It's that driver passion for the game.

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Speaker 1: They just were driven like there's you know, you can

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Speaker 1: talk about whatever you want about pro football and the

505
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Speaker 1: money they're making, the special ones you know are there

506
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Speaker 1: for the drive that you can just feel it, you

507
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: can just see it. And how they come to work

508
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Speaker 1: every day. It's like you said, being on the beach

509
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Speaker 1: with your shoulder pads on. I will tell you this,

510
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Speaker 1: like I saw this way back when when we are

511
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Speaker 1: at Washington with Buddha Baker m I would love to

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Speaker 1: take credit for that guy in terms of man. We

513
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: really fixed his mentality. And you know, I got him right.

514
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Speaker 1: And you know, I mean he's like a hundred and seventies.

515
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Speaker 1: Sometimes he's probably be mad at me because he's gonna

516
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Speaker 1: say it's more than that. But like for the best

517
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Speaker 1: safeties in the NFL and a D seventy, but this

518
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: guy you should have. Okay. So in practice, every day

519
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Speaker 1: we walk out of our tunnel, if we were gonna

520
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: practice on our practice field, the dbs would be at

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Speaker 1: the far end, the far end of the field, that's

522
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Speaker 1: where they ran their individuals warmed up before we stretched

523
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Half the guys would walk across the

524
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Speaker 1: field dragging their helmet. Here we go getting Booty with

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Speaker 1: strap his helmet up in the corner of the tunnel,

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Speaker 1: and he'd sit there for about a minute or two

527
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Speaker 1: getting himself and he would not leave until he was ready.

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Speaker 1: And then he would sprint every single day sprint to

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Speaker 1: where these guys were all straggling in and that is

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Speaker 1: how he practiced every day for the time that we

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Speaker 1: had him. And then he goes to the NFL. You know,

532
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: in the first year again he's just underside guys, makes

533
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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowls a rookie that it's like, he just

534
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: shouldn't do all these things we're talking about. Then next

535
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Speaker 1: year he's in All Pro safety and a hundred and

536
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Speaker 1: seventy plus. But I'm sorry about him doing it. And

537
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: you watch you play with that energy and that focus,

538
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: in that drive. That's what they do. All those great

539
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: players have that. In comment, it brings up an interesting

540
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Speaker 1: point is that this is gonna be the most challenging

541
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Speaker 1: draft because scouts have been locked out of facilities that

542
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: have been able to get out there to practice. I mean,

543
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: I could give you a million stories of guys. I

544
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: remember going to col watching Cam Jordan's uh condition in

545
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: a morning practice with the receivers, you know, as a

546
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: two nine pound defensive lineman. Well, that's a note that

547
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Speaker 1: I that I take that it gives you a clearer

548
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: picture of who this guy is as a guy, not

549
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: just who he is as a player. Man, it's gonna

550
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: be a difficult challenge for teams this year because of

551
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: that that practice information coach that we get going there

552
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: and watching your guys work. Coaches can tell you things

553
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: and that's great, but you might you might not get

554
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: those type of anecdotes that that can really help in

555
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: your evaluation process. Yeah, there's nothing like you know, you

556
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: just don't know how you get a guy on your team,

557
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: and so the next best thing is go watching beyond

558
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: his team. But I always believe like this is the

559
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: issue that we had in recruiting, like, um, we weren't

560
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: going to be able to see every single guy every

561
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: year live. We just wouldn't. We may maybe might watch

562
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: hours and hours of tape, but there's nothing like being live.

563
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: But we would always hang our hat on on this mantra.

564
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Speaker 1: I mean, I believe this soul to the core that

565
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: we would always say recruits. So you can replace that

566
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: with pro prospects. Whatever recruits, We'll tell you who they are.

567
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: You don't need to believe them. Yeah, And it goes

568
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: back to your questions, Like you got to ask the

569
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: questions to the coach, to the coaches, to the you know,

570
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: to anybody surrounding him. Have those commerce, and it's really

571
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Speaker 1: a parent that like what like you can start to

572
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: feel this like, yeah, it's not really a lot of

573
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: times a mystery. You know. You just you gotta spend

574
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: enough time asking the questions and being around, you know,

575
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: spending time. Last thing, coach, I'll let you run. You've

576
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: been very generous with your time today. It's been great

577
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: to catch up. But man, I can I hear your

578
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: passion coming through. You've got so much to offer and

579
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: you're doing it in a really cool way and working

580
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: with students and coaches. Is there is still an it's

581
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: there for you at all on the coaching front. Um, well,

582
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: there's certainly an itch on the coaching front, but but

583
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: that could be much different than being on the sidelines.

584
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: You know it really point Um, So there's no question

585
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm very passionate about a lot of things. And that's

586
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: kind of where I'm figuring out, Like at this point,

587
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, you never say never. I've learned that long ago.

588
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: I've seen all the coaches. I'm not doing that, and

589
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: they do it tomorrow. What I think is it's at

590
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: that point they really didn't believe they were going to

591
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: do that and then then change and so I've learned

592
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: that long ago, but I'm really interested in and excited

593
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: to figure out maybe that next river to step into,

594
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, and challenge myself in different ways. You know,

595
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: I've been a coach for thirty you know, thirty three

596
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: years of coaching strength, and it's like it's been awesome

597
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: and I've loved it in the relationships, but I think

598
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: there could be something else that could challenge me in

599
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: a different way, but still use all the experiences and

600
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: the things that I've learned to help others. Well, it's

601
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: been awesome to catch up with it. We've got again,

602
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: as we do every time we talked with you. We've

603
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: got so we We appreciate you so much. Man, It's

604
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: it's been great to get to know you over the years.

605
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: And uh, hopefully we'll do this again real soon. We

606
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: appreciate you. I appreciate you, guys. Stay safe and thanks

607
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: for having me on. Well, it's phenomenal. I hope you

608
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: guys enjoyed that as much as we did. One of

609
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: the really one of the best guests we we've ever

610
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: had here on the show. He's as humble and as

611
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: smart and as driven as anybody you will ever talk to.

612
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: You can see why if you're a business um man,

613
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: bring this guy in, let him, let him work with

614
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: your people, let him teach your people, because he gets it.

615
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: And I think these teams looking for gms and coaches

616
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: would be wise to heed the advice that he dold

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00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: out there during that conversation. I hope you guys have

618
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Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I hope you guys enjoy a great weekend

619
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Speaker 1: of football. And we will be back Monday to recap

620
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: it all on the Recap episode with with Rhett and Bucky,

621
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Speaker 1: and then we'll get a chance to really start marching

622
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Speaker 1: towards the draft, start getting to some of these college

623
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Speaker 1: players that are gonna be uh making the leap here

624
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Speaker 1: to the NFL level. Look forward to that, that and

625
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: those conversations that's gonna do it for us today. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys hanging with us. Appreciate you listen to move

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