1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: and John Oshan. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now. 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. This is Wednesday, March third. 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: My name's J. P. Shadrick, along with senior writer John 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: Osan for Jaguars dot Com, NFL media analyst Bucky Brooks 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: joining us as well, and we have plenty to get 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: to as we always do on Wednesdays, including a Trevor 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: Lawrence shoulder update. The comeback Player of the Year is 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: about to get whacked by his team? What does that 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: mean for the future? And J J. Watt got a 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: big bag of money to go to the Deserts and 12 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks Prospect Position Group Top five rankings. This week 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: we'll get into cornerbacks. Remember to subscribe to the Official 14 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: Jaguars Podcast Network. It's on Apple, iTunes or Spotify or 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: wherever else you can get podcasts. I know there's a 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: lot of play is to get podcasts. Those are the 17 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: two that I'm familiar with. Give us five stars and 18 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: plenty of comments. Bucky, I know where you can. You 19 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: know exactly where to get all these podcasts, right, I mean, 20 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: there's so many different ones, Stitcher and all this other stuff. 21 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: I'd tend to just go to Apple, Apple, Apple Podcast. 22 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: I kind of get right on the phone. I can 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: get it right there. It's just pretty easy, John, and 24 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: keep it easy. John likes likes easy. John, you're into that. 25 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: I like easy. I could not tell I mean, I'll 26 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: be honest with you, I could not tell you how 27 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: to go find a podcast because we subscribed to but 28 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: I don't have on my phone. I don't have it 29 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: set up for subscriptions or oh my god, I I 30 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: can go to myself and find a book. How about that? 31 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: Do you guys know what a book is? You grab 32 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: it off the shelf, you open it, pages in it. Oh, 33 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: I get off my lawn. Bucky, the yeh who wants 34 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: to throw it all over the yard is stuck back 35 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: in days when it comes to podcasts, three yards of 36 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: the cloud of dust. When it comes to reading and podcasts, 37 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: he's the woody hay. He all over the yard and read. 38 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Alright, so we've got planned to get 39 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: to today. We'll get to all that we mentioned coming up. 40 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: But you know, John, you're on Twitter. The kids are 41 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: on Twitter as well, so you know a little bit 42 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: about social media, but I found something interesting. I think 43 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: it was On Tuesday, Maurice Jones Drew posted the Max 44 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: Preps for the top twenty running backs over the last 45 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: twenty years in high school, and a few Jaguars connections 46 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: really kind of caught my eye. I know, it's high school, 47 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: and a lot of guys that in the NFL are 48 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: really good in high school. Bucky, you know that. But 49 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: a handful of these guys had connections here. Derrick Henry, 50 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: and he's from right up the road here in Julie, 51 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: was number one on the list, the all time leading 52 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: rusher in high school from Julie High School, and we're 53 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: connected to him because of plenty of stiff arms in 54 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: the past. Leonard for that was number four on the 55 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: list all time in the last twenty years. Top twenty 56 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: running backs in high school. Kelvin Taylor, Fred's son seven 57 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: on the list out of Glades Day down South. Maurice 58 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: Jones Drew, we all know and love Mojo. He was 59 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: thirteenth on the list out of Day La Cell High 60 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: School in California. And Yes, current Jaguars running back James 61 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: Robinson made the list at number twenty out of Lutheran 62 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: High School in Illinois, and I found that pretty interesting, Bucky, 63 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: that he's one of the top twenty running backs in 64 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: high school the last twenty years. How about that? I mean, 65 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: that's a testament to him, Um that he says an 66 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: accomplished high school player. You wonder why didn't he land 67 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: at maybe a bigger spot? What was the deal behind it? 68 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: But JP, I've had this conversation with scouts and Jenner 69 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: managers and personnel directors before about scouring the high school 70 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: recruiting lists and checking the four and five stars and 71 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: just trying to see where those guys have gone. Because 72 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: I would say of this most recruiting analysts, they don't 73 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: get it wrong when it comes to those guys. Like 74 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: those guys that were viewed as four and five stars, 75 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: particularly five stars in high school, they had a level 76 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: of talent that you should investigate. And there are some 77 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: teams that will consult those lists and they will kind 78 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: of take a flyer on some of those guys that 79 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: somehow find their way off the list for whatever reason. 80 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: Something happens in college and they may bring those guys 81 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: in as undrafted free agents. I'm not saying that that 82 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: happened in Robinson's case, but I think it's very interesting 83 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: that he is recognized as one of the top twenty 84 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: running backs all time on Max Prepp and Low and 85 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: Behold he plays like that when he comes to Jacksonville. 86 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: I know, right, even some years removed from that, John, 87 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't really for a lot of guys don't go away, 88 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: especially for a guy like James Robinson. Which shows you 89 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: to uh, the difference in in in longevity at this 90 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: position in quarterback or the last twenty years. Brady was 91 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: just getting into league twenty years ago, Drew Brees and 92 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: you know, I mean it just again, that position is 93 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: so cruel to the player in terms of you were 94 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: in out of the league fast. Mojo seems like he 95 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: played in the league forever ago and he still on 96 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: this twenty years list. So it is a tough position 97 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: to have any sort of longevity, and they drop off fast. 98 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: I actually covered Mike Hart for a cup of coffee 99 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: with the Colts. He was a great running back. He's 100 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: number eight on this list. He was a great running 101 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: back for Michigan and got a ton of carries. Uh, 102 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: Shady McCoy's on this list. It also shows you at 103 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: this position. You would think running back recruiting would translate 104 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: pretty closely to the NFL because it's such a suitable skill, 105 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 1: meaning make guys miss run for a lot of yards, 106 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: But it doesn't necessarily. I mean, there are some names 107 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: on this list who a lot of people would have 108 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: really never heard of, particularly based on their NFL career. 109 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: So it just shows you its being a five star 110 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: being a big time recruit, A lot can change in 111 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,679 Speaker 1: four five year perfect example of that is Jonathan Gray. 112 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: He was third on the list out of Alito High 113 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: School and Texas, went to the University of Texas, but 114 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: then he didn't really do much after that. Bucky. No, 115 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: It's funny how they goes, and sometimes we don't know 116 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: if injuries or whatever played a role in UH prospects 117 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: failure inability to kind of make it and carve out 118 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: a big career at the NFL level. But I do 119 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: believe it's a nice jumping point, jump off point in 120 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: terms of being able to track these guys. You know, 121 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: we all are still kind of close and fun to 122 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: the college game. I love when these lists come out 123 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: and I love seeing I mean, JP is it's unfair 124 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: for you because, like Alabama Golf was up all the 125 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: five stars. I mean the entire Rosses all five stars. 126 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: But like for a little me and North Carolina, when 127 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: we get a five star, we we celebrate those guys. 128 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: We go crazy about them. So I love looking at 129 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: these lists and I think, I think it's fun. I 130 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: think it's all fun and fascinating. And I think as 131 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: we tracked them from high school, as they continue to 132 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: go on into college, and then talking about them in 133 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: the pros. If I watch the last two five stars 134 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: at North Carolina, Lucky Brooks and Lawrence Taylor right like 135 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: like like Lawrence Taylor would have been but I'm so 136 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: old that they didn't even have a star system. I 137 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: was just lucky. I was just trying to be in 138 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: the regional paper, like just just in the local paper, 139 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: just want to be one of the twenty five. And 140 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: the regional list. Um, the star system came later. I 141 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: think it's great, though, Like I know, people get mad. 142 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: It's always a point of contention right around the draft 143 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: when we talk about the number of five stars that 144 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: are drafted, and people get mad. These list don't matter. 145 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: They do like, it's fine, you have to rank rank things. 146 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: I mean if we did list in terms of fruit, 147 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: like who's the five star fruit? What are the five 148 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: star fruits? And veggies? Like people would be mad at 149 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: what we gave five stars to. I mean it's that's 150 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: just what it is, Like, that's what's fine. It's fine 151 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: for fodder. What dost we doing the off season? What 152 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: we have to do? And then the Internet John has 153 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: changed the whole thing and recruiting and analysis of these 154 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: players that didn't exist twenty five years ago before this 155 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: list started. Oh it's unreal, Buck. When were you a 156 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 1: senior in high school? Were you nine? So I missed 157 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: you by a little bit. But that's the way I 158 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: sort of cut my teeth. I got the floor to 159 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: beat because I had done recruiting as a high school sportswriter. 160 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: And it's, uh, you know, I could do a complete 161 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: show on how much covering recruiting in the in the 162 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: recruiting process has changed so much. I covered it ninety 163 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: three through about ninety or I'm sorry ninety threw about 164 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: there were no five stars. I was one of those guys, Bucky. 165 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: I'd be calling the prospect at home on Sunday night 166 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: after you got back and that was But now all 167 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: that's on Twitter all that you know. I used to 168 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: break stories all the time by getting ahold of the 169 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: kid I called work done the night he uh committed 170 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: to Florida State and Jonathan Ogden the same deal. I 171 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: was calling guys in California because Florida was in on him. 172 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: But it it has changed dramatically from back then, Buck, 173 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: even you would have been on Twitter tweeting out your 174 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: own commitment like I missed. I missed out on the 175 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: switching hats and and they they had these customized videos 176 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: and all that other stuff. Yeah, how much fun would 177 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: that have been? Driven people crazy? For you? Terrible for me? 178 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: Is a beat? How just driving you crazy? It's been 179 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: so much fun, like man customized, I mean even had 180 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: JP like narrated over the top, like he follows me 181 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: going from a high school and driving all around the 182 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: town before we end up end up in chaff Whell. 183 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: How much fun with that? Even creating story to really 184 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: date myself. Javon kiss to everybody, good plaig time career. 185 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: He was from Gosh, I want to say Fort Myers 186 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: and I think I'm getting it. I'm getting the town on. 187 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: He was in South Florida and I can recall calling 188 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: his high school coach. And this was when the coach 189 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: back when I covered it, the coach was the main 190 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: point recruiting. Yeah, you really don't talked to players that much. 191 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: You talk to him some. And Javon here's his coach 192 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: telling me, well, I don't have his home number, but 193 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: here's his beeper number. Oh yeah, called his beeper number. 194 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: And Javan was from a tough area and he called 195 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: me back. I think he could some recruit I forget 196 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: which one it was, called me back collect from a 197 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: pay phone at my at my work desk. But yeah, 198 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: I covered Javon heres when he had a beeper. These uh, 199 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: some of these guys had beat this way before cell phones. 200 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: It was great recruiting commitment stories among sports writers. I 201 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: can tell you that I would hate, I would shudder 202 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: to see John Osan's long distance calling bill either a 203 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: T and T M C I whatever his company he 204 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: used was. Admittedly, that was when you still had long distance. 205 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: It was a it was that's been Sunday nights from 206 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: about six thirty to about nine thirty calling these recruits 207 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: when they got home, and it was a different Chase Goodbread, 208 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: who's yea years but succeeded me on the recruiting ba 209 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: at the Times Union. And uh, it used to be 210 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: a big, big deal for newspapers in the South to 211 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: cover cover recruiting. Nights and weekends are cheaper. That's okay 212 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: on your long night plan. This is the Huddle Up 213 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: podcast than a nice little conversation there about the Max 214 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: Preps Top twenty running backs over the last twenty years 215 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: in high school. Rice Jones Drew put a link to 216 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: it on his social media page. And and number five 217 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: by the way, Reggie Bush. Go watch his high school 218 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: tape your mine. And another tape that will blow your mind. 219 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: This quarterback Trevor Lawrence. You might have heard of him. 220 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: He was indeed a five star out of Cartersville, Georgia, 221 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: went to Clemson, won a national title. He's coming out 222 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: in the NFL Draft this year. And on Instagram yesterday 223 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: three photos of some of his rehab work on the 224 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,599 Speaker 1: surgically repaired left shoulder labram working with a theory of 225 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: physical therapists modus physical therapy. There's a couple pull locations 226 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: out near you, Bucky. Apparently in California. A bunch of 227 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: NFL guys go there. There's a picture of him pulling 228 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: down some weight. I'm not sure what that motion is called. 229 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: I'm not in the weight room. Often there's another with 230 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: Trevor standing there, the therapist holding his left arm. Another 231 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: with him laying down on the table working on the 232 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: left shoulder. So this guy has experience with the NFL players. 233 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: Trevor's right there, and that's the most watched left shoulder, 234 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: non throwing shoulder we've seen around here. I think evert Yeah, 235 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: we just need to get we just need to get 236 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: him right. We want to make sure that he's fine. 237 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: I just want to make sure he can put on 238 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: his his his suit jacket so he can walk across 239 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: the stage when they give him the Jaguars hat and 240 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: we can just kind of started like that's That's what 241 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: I'm worried about at this point. I just want to 242 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: make sure he can put his suit on and do 243 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: all this stuff and get the obligatory hat and so 244 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: we can start, we can start the new era. And 245 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: so look, this this is part of the process. Him 246 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: coming back. Is smart for him to get the surgery 247 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: done early. I know it's important for him to get 248 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: on the field prior to the training camp. He will 249 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: be behind from a physical standpoint, but mentally, I think 250 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: you'll be on it. He'll be sharp and they have 251 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: it lined up and ready to go. So it's part 252 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: of the process. But it's good that he's moving kind 253 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: of making progress in his reab. John, what was that 254 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: called in the weight room? The workout? He was doing 255 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: well in my extensive body of work in the weight room, 256 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: I can tell you that was. I have no idea. 257 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: The epic here would have been had without any comment 258 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: if the photos had shown the trainers just for a 259 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: gas working on the other arm and just sent it 260 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: out without comments. See if anybody noticed. Can you imagine 261 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: the explosion on the internet. That would have been a 262 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: bad one. Yeah, that would have been a bad one. 263 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: It's not April first, Thank goodness, is Mark that would 264 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: have been. That would have been something so that I 265 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: have no idea. I'll occasionally do a push up every 266 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: now and then, Bucky, push up? Oh, I mean push 267 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: up is good? Okay, all right, let's see what's see 268 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: what we got. Bucky hasn't seen it yet, haven't seen 269 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: You're looking at it live right now on this podcast. Okay, 270 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: So Trevor was doing some some tricep try step push downs, 271 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: make sure we get get the arms right to see 272 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: it looks like they're trying to do some active curls. 273 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: See where the strength is now. He's laying on the shoulder. 274 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: Looks like Rehabit just kind of touching in tests and 275 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: trying to put him back back in alignment. Yeah, it 276 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: looks like it looks like we're on the way. We're 277 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: on the way. Number sixteen, We're good. Do those exercises, JP, 278 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: I don't have triceps, so well, okay, well one, we 279 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about those muscles in your arms 280 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: from you know where? That good to know. That's John Osier, 281 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. I'm JP Shadrick and this is the Huddle 282 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: Up Podcast on a Wednesday, and welcome to a new 283 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: era of Jaguars football. The Reload has begun, beginning with 284 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: new head coach Urban Meyer. And don't miss out on 285 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: the best seats before they're gone. 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So that's a good step at 296 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: least if you want to, you know, get in touch 297 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: or with a current free agent or somebody after free 298 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: agency starts that's on the market now, a few guys 299 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: that might be on the market could be on their 300 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: way to the market. But let's start with a quarterback 301 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: and and the Washington Football team, the comeback player of 302 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: the Year in the NFL, Alex Smith is reportedly getting 303 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: lacked at some point. Does the question will be in 304 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: the Jags fans are all about backup quarterback this week 305 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: and on social media of course. So does he want 306 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: to play or is he willing to be a backup? 307 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: Is he want to compete? He has a connection with Urban, 308 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: He's a great salty vat Bucky. What do you think, man? 309 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: This is a perfect fit. This is exactly what the 310 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: Jaguars needed to happen. Alex Smith is the perfect backup 311 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: quarterback for this situation. Knows over my understands the culture 312 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: that Urban wants to create in the locker room. Has 313 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: a relationship with Trent Balky. They were together in San Francisco. 314 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: So the GM knows that he can trust Alex to 315 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: be prepared and ready. And then when you have what 316 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: Alex has gone through. Former number one overall pick had 317 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: a very rocky road early in his career before becoming 318 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl caliber player. He has mastered the art 319 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: of winning. When you look at his record the last five, six, 320 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: seven years as a starter, he gets it. And so 321 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: to have a guy like that who has also mentored 322 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: the likes of Colin Kaepernick, Patrick Mahomes, what he did 323 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: with young guys with the Washington football team. To have 324 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: him as kind of like that that elder statesman in 325 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: the quarterback room with Trevor and whoever else would be 326 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: in their room, I think it's a no brainer. Now 327 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: we have to investigate and see if he wants to 328 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: be a starter or if he still just wants to 329 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: be around and involved in the game. But if he 330 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: is willing to come and just that mentor role I 331 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: think this would be perfect. This would be a slam 332 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: dunk for the Jacks. Yeah, and that's the question that 333 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: you can't answer. Only he can answer that. You know, 334 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: it's been a topic, so I've discussed it a couple 335 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: of times. But like I said on another show, the 336 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: thing you have to worry too. I don't think anybody 337 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: is going to tell Alex Smith, hey, we want you 338 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: to come and be our franchise quarterback. It's not that 339 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: that's going to happen. But there are certainly situations out 340 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: there where logically, if you're him, you're thirty six, thirty seven, 341 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: if you think you've got a couple more years in you, 342 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: there are other teams that it's a better possibility that 343 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: that team might pull their quarterback in event of their 344 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: not being an injury. In the Jaguars, it's gonna take 345 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: a lot for whoever they pick, it's gonna be Travor, 346 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: But for wherever they pick, it's gonna take a lot 347 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,479 Speaker 1: for them to bench a number one overall quarterback at 348 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: any point. But would he want a situation where there's 349 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: another quarterback who's on a little bit shakier ground A 350 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: veteran he struggled before there's probably four or five teams 351 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: out there that would be more logical. Well, if this 352 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: guy struggles, then this other guy is gonna get a shot. 353 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: So I don't think he's gonna be a franchise guy anywhere. 354 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: But would he be tempted by some place with a 355 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: dicier situation? Only he can answer that. I mean, I 356 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: wonder at this stage of his career because I'm not 357 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. Like I watched him come back, 358 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: and I was it was great to see him come 359 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: back from that devastating injury to get back on the field. 360 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: But I held my breath every time he was on 361 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 1: the field, right like I held my breath in terms 362 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: of watching him as a starter and the fact that 363 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: he couldn't finish um the playoff run. I just wonder 364 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: if he can envision himself playing they're talking about maybe 365 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen games, or if he just will loves the 366 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: game and wants to be around it and maybe he 367 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: wants to give back. And because of his comments in 368 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: g Q when he talked about the relationship with the 369 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: team and not feeling like he was wanted, well, you 370 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: know Urban is going to love him up because Urban 371 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: win and saw him in Washington while he was hurting 372 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: those things, and so you know Urban can recruit if 373 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: Urban can recruit him and just say, hey, here's the 374 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: situation right off in the sunset, leave the game of 375 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: better plays. Do these things show these guys how to 376 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: win and all those things? Would that be a feeling appealing? 377 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: And I wonder if it would be appealing to his 378 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: his family because I know his family had to sit 379 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: there also watching the game through closed fingers making sure 380 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: that he was going to be okay. I think this 381 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: would be a really good fit for him. I know 382 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: Chicago is in play because of the Matt Naggy situation, 383 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: but I mean how much of Chicago I mean really go, man, 384 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: like he can have an opportunity be here to three 385 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: years and see Trevor and maybe step in in some 386 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: spots if there was an injury or any situation like 387 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: that we had to step in and play. If that 388 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: would have I mean, how much more can things line 389 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: up for this franchise right now that I mean to 390 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: have the number one pick to get Urban, to get 391 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: everything that's sort of fallen right yeah, also get the backup, which, 392 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: as you said, Meyer and Balky met through Alex Smith. 393 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it almost seems like it's such a logical 394 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: thing that it won't happen, but come on like like 395 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: like here's here's what's happening, Like we gotta take all 396 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: the losing, whatever happened the last decade, Like we put 397 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: all that out, like we left all that behind, We 398 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: left all that the one in fifteen, the one I 399 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: feel like a game like five years and got a 400 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: really old dam get really the life buck. So but 401 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: now is lining up the football guys are shining on 402 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: us like this is a perfect it's a perfect time, 403 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: Like we go from works to first. This is what 404 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: it's like a naive little Bucky we can do it, 405 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: Like no, I do believe, like you're right though it 406 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: does appear like things are lining up. That would be 407 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: a nice thing for the lineup. I do wonder and 408 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: we'll see because this has been floated out. What is 409 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: the future for Garner minshow in terms of not only 410 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: with this franchise, but is he a trade chip? Because 411 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: there's some people out there they really like him and 412 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: kind of view him as a player that has potential. 413 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: They look at the numbers and they're like, hey, man, 414 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: this guy could be a bottom of the bottom of 415 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: the league starter, you know, a bottom third starter. He's 416 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: had some success in league and those things. I do 417 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: wonder if he is a trade chip as we get 418 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: closer to the draft in terms of trying to upgrade 419 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: the rest of the team and maybe even the quarterback position. 420 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: He is putting out some workout videos of his own 421 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: on Instagram videos these days as well. This is the 422 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: Huddle Up Podcast J P. Shadrick John to oes you 423 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: can't believe it. Bucky Brooks is along with us as well. 424 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: And one other free agency note and a big one. 425 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: J J. Watt to the Arizona Cardinals two years, thirty 426 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: one million bucks, twenty three million guaranteed. DeAndre Hopkins was 427 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: out there and Bucky. He's got one of the coaches 428 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: from his past out there too, right, Yeah, Advanced Joseph 429 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,959 Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator Um was a dB coach with the 430 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: Texans win. J. J. Watt won his first Defensive Player 431 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: of the Year war so there's some familiarity between those two. Also, 432 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: he understands how to put him in a scheme that works. 433 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: I think the thing that is surprising is the number 434 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: that you talked about the money, Uh, thirty one million dollars. 435 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: He's thirty one, thirty two years old. You wonder how 436 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: much does he have even though he had a solid season, 437 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: didn't put up the sack production that he wanted, but 438 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: he played over leven hundred snaps. Um did a really 439 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: good job creating pressures in those things. Now he is 440 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: out west, and I think when you look at it 441 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: from the Jaguar standpoint, you just see how these teams 442 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: are building. It is now apparent more than ever you 443 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: have to have multiple pass rushers. You have to have 444 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: an inside guy and elside gout, maybe two else I guys, 445 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: but you have to be able to get after the pass. 446 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: And as we think about the Jaguars in the draft, 447 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: the pass rush um, it's something where you feel like 448 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: you feel good about with Josh Allen, maybe Caleb and Chason, 449 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: maybe go and get another guy. But if we're unable 450 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: to stop the run, we don't get the opportunity to 451 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: rush the passer. And so I just see when you 452 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: see how teams are loading up, the defensive line has 453 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: to be a major priority when it comes to free 454 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: agency and the draft gotta upgrade it. Yeah, the only 455 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: thing I wonder about j J is, you know, and 456 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: I think it's three of the four years before this 457 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: past season major injuries that took him down for a 458 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: standard period of time. So you're guaranteeing twenty three million. 459 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: It's ously not my money. I don't care what the 460 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: Cardinals do with theirs. But that would have been my concern, 461 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: is you know, you're giving this contract to somebody who's 462 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: had trouble staying healthy. That would have been my cause 463 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: for pause if I was in that situation. If the 464 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: Jaguars are going after that had been my concern. But 465 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: obviously you're right back. They know how to use them. 466 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: You have to have multiple pass rushers at some point. 467 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: You do wonder in free agency if the Jaguars will 468 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: look to add a veteran presence on the edge in 469 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: addition to the two kids they've got, give themselves some security. 470 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: I think that'll be interesting. In two weeks, the Huddle 471 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: Up Podcast rolls along. J P Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, John Osier. 472 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: Social media questions coming up. We put the bat signal 473 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: out earlier Tuesday, and we've come up with a pretty 474 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: good list. We'll get to those in just a moment. 475 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: Let's move along though, too. Bucky's top five draft prospects 476 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: by position. Each week on the Huddle Up Podcast, we 477 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: recycle his story from NFL dot Com and we go 478 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: through one position group and John. This week we are 479 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: going cornerbacks. We know the Jaguars have c. J. Henderson, 480 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: Trey Herndon's still around, d J. Hayden's scheduled to be 481 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: a free agent. There's a lot of other guys that 482 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: had some time that are young. The there's it seems 483 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: like there's going to be a lot of change at 484 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: the cornerback position. John, considering what happened last year with 485 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: all these different lineups in the secondary. Well, I'll defer 486 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: to Bucky because he again know his format, the format 487 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 1: byt the overall league. In these prospects, I look at 488 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: it and think, you really don't know what c. J. 489 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: Henderson is yet either. That's a big question hanging out there, 490 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: potential to be great. I mean, top ten pick. I 491 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: keep saying you better be great. I mean that's a 492 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: that's almost the equivalent of drafting a quarterback number one. 493 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: When you draft a cornerback in the top ten, you 494 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: expect lockdown. Patrick Peterson that's only four spots later than 495 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: Jale Ramsey, who you consider the best cornerback in the 496 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: NFL right now. So that needs to be a great 497 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: inn as spot. Yeah, that hasn't been proven after the 498 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: rookie year. It's not surprising and hard they ever does. 499 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: I look at this and wonder will they get to 500 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: the point in the draft of needing to draft a 501 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: guy or do they go after big time corner and 502 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: free agency. It's a but he comes free. I think 503 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: you need experience back there. You need a a a 504 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: stud corner on the other side to compliment Henderson. I 505 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: almost think you could see draft and free agent at 506 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: this position. Ain't they need dethcraded pretty significantly? Double down Bucky? 507 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: I think, uh, I believe they have to invest another 508 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: high pick in the position. I think when you look 509 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: at C. J. Henderson and you think about this team 510 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: being young and growing together. Because I anticipate this team 511 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: being a quarters team where they play a lot of 512 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: man coverage on the outside. You need young, fresh legs 513 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: um to be able to get that done. And when 514 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: I look at this draft class and I think of 515 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: all the guys that are available, a lot of legacy 516 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: in terms of sons of former players, Patrick Surtan, J. C. 517 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: Horne who was the son of Joe Horn I, Sante 518 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: Samuel Jr. Like his name sake, Elijah Molden who's the 519 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: son Alex Molden. There are a lot of young dynamic 520 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: players who understand it because it's in the bloodline. So 521 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: you'd like to think they understand the family business. As 522 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: I think about what Jacksonville wants to do, you would 523 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: like to acquire some of those guys who kind of 524 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: understand it and they can hit the ground running from 525 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: day one. If you can put a young tandem out there, Man, 526 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: I don't think you can get better than that for 527 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: the jack To your point, Bucky, that feels to me 528 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: more okay. At the corner position, there may be another position, 529 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: meaning having two young kids out there a little easier 530 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: to learn and play at a high level with that 531 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: spot than others. Am I reading that right? Yeah? I 532 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: mean I think I think it can be. And I 533 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: think also given the collegian nature of maybe this coaching 534 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: staff and what Urban and his staff are are used 535 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 1: to doing when it comes to developing players, it may 536 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: be easy to have young guys out there teaching them 537 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: the ropes and doing those things. Now, there'll be some 538 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: struggles and it may be ugly at times, like we 539 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: saw a little bit this year with c. J. Henderson, 540 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: But if they can grow together, man, you just talk 541 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: about having young guys that can you know, as they 542 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: continue to build this nucleus out two three years, how 543 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: good can they be? And the spot I'm looking at 544 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: is at three a corner at one of those positions, 545 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: to me, seems like a sensible choice someone that you 546 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: compare with c. J. Henderson. To let those two guys 547 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: compete and grow together. On the perimeter, you can get 548 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: starting level guy there at three A corner, you can. 549 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're telling me that you're going to 550 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: get a pass rusher there, or or a left tackle 551 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: or a quarterback, I'd be a little more skeptical. But corner, 552 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: especially if it's your two corner. If you're assuming that 553 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: c J's one top ten at one spot, top twenty 554 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 1: five at the other, that's still a lot of equity 555 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: at the corner position. You know, I think it's important 556 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: when we think about building up this defense and we 557 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: can we can look at what all the equity that 558 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: was poured into it prior, but it kind of starts 559 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: over with Balky and Urban starting now. The way that 560 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: you build your your defense, it has to be pass rushers, cornerbacks, 561 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: second level defenders, and you need someone in the middle 562 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: of field, a safety that can be able to do it. 563 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: I look at the second level of defenders, they appeared 564 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: to be in good shape with Joe Sherbet and Miles Jack. 565 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: The pass rushers are still in work in progress. We 566 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: feel good about Josh Allen. We're hoping that Caliban Chasing 567 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: can be a guy that can emerge. C. J. Henderson 568 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: is still kind of an unknown commodity. But say you 569 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: get too young, another young corner to go there and c. J. 570 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: Henderson plays up to draft expectations. Well, now you have 571 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,959 Speaker 1: a young nucleus that you can build around, and as 572 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: you're adding weapons to the offense and hopefully you're able 573 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: to score points. It is all about being able to 574 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: slow these offenses down. Because we understand what tennessee is 575 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: they want to play physical, they want to do those things. 576 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill is gonna a J. Browns on the perimeter. 577 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: The Coats look like they are building um a bully 578 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: there in terms of the ability to run the ball, 579 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: play good defense, and so you're going to have to 580 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: be able to win the arms race defensively, being able 581 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: to keep the score down, and then offensively have enough 582 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: weapons where you can score points with a young quarterback 583 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: who's still trying to make his way in the league. 584 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: All right, let's hit officially the top five corners for 585 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks in the draft this year. Patrick searchin Alabama, 586 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: Caleb Farley Virginia, Attack, J. C. Horn of South Carolina, 587 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: Sante Samuel Junior from Florida State, and Elijah Molden from Washington. 588 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: Check out the full article on NFL dot com. We'll 589 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: recycle it again with another group next week, Yes we will. 590 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: And by the way, I think Sunday your dogs a 591 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: certain fan. I could tell by the bark in the back. Yeah, yes, 592 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: that was almost a roll Tide bark Roald tide you think, 593 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: not not a go Heels park like, I don't know. 594 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: It wasn't a UNC player on the list. I don't know. No, 595 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: Maybe I think I think she is a Sartin fan 596 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: because I am a big Patrick Ceartan, a second fan 597 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: much like his dad. He he plays the game the 598 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: right way like he he gets and he gets it 599 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: in a in a major way. And I think what's 600 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: funny is because there's going to be some debate between 601 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: Farley and certain. Part of that is dude to certain 602 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: playing this year and people being able to see some 603 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: of the plays, like maybe gave up a handful of 604 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: plays and Farley kind of being out of sight, out 605 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: of mind. But in my estimation, Passer Tan the second 606 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: is the deal. He is legit. I have a question 607 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: for the Scout. I'm intrigued by this. Why so many 608 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: second generation guys on that list? And maybe it's a fluke, 609 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: but four out of five doesn't feel like a flute 610 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: to me. Is that a case uh, of the dad's 611 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: working with these kids when they're young and they just 612 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: know how to play this because it's a technique position. 613 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: You have to have the athleticism, but you also have 614 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: to know how to play it. Is that a case 615 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: that these guys just from the time they were eight 616 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: years old the family business and the right way. Yeah, 617 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: I think it's the family business. There. There are a 618 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: couple of things that are at playing when you see 619 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: those guys at corner, their dad's very early identified. The 620 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: fact that everybody when you go to these things, John 621 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: A v Channel back to your recruiting days. You see 622 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: right now, the fascination is on touching the wall. So 623 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: normally the top one, two, and three athletes at the 624 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: high school they go and play offense, and so athlete 625 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: four or five and six they're the ones that are 626 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: kind of left to play defense. These guys understand that 627 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: a skilled player on the perimeter on defense, they have 628 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: a chance to be top picks, make a lot of 629 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: money and do those things. And so I firmly believe, 630 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: particularly with Joe Horn being a wide receiver even though 631 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: he played a little defensive back when I was we 632 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: were together Kansas City. Yeah, yeah, I do believe that 633 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: they understand the value of corners and because their kids 634 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: are well schooled in it, that's why they have a 635 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: chance to go at the top of the board. So 636 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: you're saying, when the coach tried to move these kids 637 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: to wide receiver, the dad said, okay, they can play 638 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: some wide out there. The money, Yeah, the money, the 639 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: money to be made at at cornerback. Because it's so 640 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: hard to find premier athletes and guys that understand the 641 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: position where they do in college, they take these high 642 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: school wide receivers and they get them on campus, they 643 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: give them the jersey, and then the second year they 644 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: flip them over. We saw that with Old Alabama's Trayvon Dix, 645 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: who came in as a wide receiver and then they 646 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: moved to defensive back. Well, that's commonplace in college where 647 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: these guys came in as dbs. They've been playing dB 648 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: since they were high school. They understood the position, and 649 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: because their dads were also pretty good at what they did, 650 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: they get it. This is the Huddle Up Podcast. That's 651 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Osher, I'm J P. Shadrick And as 652 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: we promised social media questions, thank you for all the submissions. 653 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: On Tuesday, We're gonna pick a few of the best. 654 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: We'll leave the others out to try until next week. 655 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: But try again, please. We're here every Wednesday. We'll ask 656 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: you the questions each Tuesday. This is from at D 657 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: m ozone. And I don't know this is John's burner 658 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: or one, but what style of offense will the Jags 659 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: run this year? And should we expect a running quarterback? 660 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: What do you think whichever Lawrence can run? I don't 661 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: think they want to put him in harm's way too much. 662 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: I think they're used as athleticism. So I would think 663 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: this offense is going to be a blend. It's gonna 664 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: be a little bit of the things that we've seen 665 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: in college, because that's what Trevor Lawrence is very comfortable at. 666 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: But I do think you'll see a little bit of 667 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,959 Speaker 1: an old school element to it. Some under center runs, 668 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: some shotgun running game. I think you see James Robinson, 669 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: and I would expect another running back to come over, 670 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 1: and I think they're gonna run the ball. They're gonna 671 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: run the ball of a time. Um. I think the 672 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: X factor in the offense to guy that I'm looking 673 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: forward to seeing in YouTube, Lavisca Chana, and the reason 674 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: why Lavisca Chan to me, has maybe the biggest potential 675 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,479 Speaker 1: to be an impact player for this offense. Everywhere Urban 676 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: Meyer has been, you're here him talking about the H 677 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 1: back player and the AH player is typically the best athlete, 678 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: the most explosive playmaker. And Florida. At Florida, that was 679 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: Percy Harvy. At Ohio State, it was Paris Paris Campbell, 680 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: and it was also Curtis Samuel. I think Urban envisions 681 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: La Visca Chana being that guy. We saw him in 682 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: the backfield a little bit last year. I would anticipate 683 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: him having a bigger offensive role as a guy who 684 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: gets touches and does it in a bunch of differ 685 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: and ways, and I think he can pop. So I'm 686 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: excited to see the offense when it comes to what 687 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: they do with Lavisca. Johnathan was some of that with 688 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 1: him earlier in the season, but it just didn't last 689 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: as the season went on. Yeah, there was. I mean, 690 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: I guess when I think of Percy harv and I 691 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 1: think of just other worldly speed. Uh that doesn't strike 692 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: me as Lavisca. Uh so is that different? Can that be? 693 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 1: And he's different? Big time player, But he's not burner guy, 694 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: is he? No, he's not burner guy. But when you 695 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: go back and look at So we heard him his 696 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: last year in Colorado, he was injured, so we didn't 697 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: see the best of him the year before. He did 698 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: everything wildcat quarterback. He can run it. He's a physical 699 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: runner inside. That might be the best utilization because he 700 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: was more impressive and dynamic with just the ball in 701 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: his hands as a runner and doing some of those 702 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: things than catching the ball in space. Maybe because of 703 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 1: Urban's collegiate background, he will demand, hey, we need to 704 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: find a way to get him the ball, and and 705 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: maybe they utilize all of his traits maybe better than 706 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: they were utilized the rookie season, even on injuries also 707 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: hindered his ability to be a major contributor. I'll say 708 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: this to the first time when I was on the 709 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: practice field last year was covid So we were kind 710 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: of distance, but he kind of walked by us to 711 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: do something. And he's built different now. He is thick 712 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: and he is a tough guy to bring down and 713 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: that that can play to his advantage as well if 714 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: he plays up to that. Yeah, he plays up to that. 715 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: You go back and you you pop in his Colorado 716 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: tape from his sophomore season. He is doing all of 717 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: that stuff with the ball in his hands. And I 718 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 1: just have to have a sense or believes that Urban 719 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: will assess what he has offensively and they'll make it 720 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: very simple. I want this guy to get the ball 721 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: X amount of times. I want the Southern guy to 722 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: get the ball X amount of times. And that's what 723 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: it is, because that's what cousin really and that's what 724 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: the good proteins do they find the best players and 725 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: they get the ball to the best players over and 726 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: over and over again, and all those other guys. Oh, 727 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: by the way, you better get it within your role. 728 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: But we're going to feed um the best players. All right. 729 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna get a couple more questions in here before 730 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: we wrap up the Huddle Up podcast today. And this 731 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: is from at Waco Garena from the most mocked players 732 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: at number twenty five, guys like bar Moore, Maring, Tevin Jenkins, 733 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: Rondel Moore. Which one do you guys give more value? 734 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: We only put four guys we could put. You know, Um, 735 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: I like Moring because I believe safety is essential to 736 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: being able to play are good defense. And I mean 737 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: it's been a while since Jacks have had an elite 738 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: safety in the middle of the field. I mean I 739 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: can't I can't remember. I know they've been guys that 740 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: have been brought through your Jonathan Cyprian, Um, I know 741 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: Tashan Gibson and those play, but you have to have 742 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 1: someone in the middle of field that can play. Moring 743 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 1: would be terrific once again, because we anticipate the Jack 744 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: and a lot of quarters coverage. Split safety that's what 745 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,879 Speaker 1: he did at TCU. He's active, he can play man 746 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: to man, he can do things in the middle to field. 747 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: He would be a great if he's there. I think 748 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: it's a no brainer. I do understand wanting bar More. 749 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm a little if he on Barmore because he kind 750 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: of you know, I kind of like to spick and 751 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,399 Speaker 1: he turns it all, turns it all. I just want 752 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: to know which one is going to show up. You know, 753 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: it was late last season. Like there's an element and 754 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: this is just purely mock draft guy looking at him, 755 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: it almost feels like there's an element of him being 756 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: pushed up the board a little bit because everybody says, well, 757 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: the Jatweards need defensive tackle, We're gonna put him in 758 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: twenty five. Uh. And again that's just from reading mocks 759 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: over the years. I don't know enough about Barmore snaf 760 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: be top twenty five or not, but it sounds to 761 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: me like one significant option would be draft safety. Harder 762 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: to find probably more corners. Wait till thirty three to 763 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: get your corner. And I hate talking like that because 764 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm always the guy who says, don't don't do that 765 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: before the draft. Make sure, they're good players where you're 766 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: picking them, but that could be a scenario where it's 767 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: safety of because you don't get that many shots and 768 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: those guys and then more corners at at at number 769 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: thirty three, I want to know where you're finding a 770 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: defensive tackle because you got to stop the run to 771 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 1: make any of these guys matter. Yeah, you have to 772 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: stop the run. The problem is, John in this draft, 773 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: it's not a good defensive tackle draft. Well not not 774 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: not in the first round where you can absolutely say 775 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: that the guy that we're taking a twenty five is 776 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: gonna come in and be a difference maker. Um, if 777 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: you're thinking in the second round, third round, maybe you're 778 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: talking about the likes of kids from NCY State McNeil um, 779 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: things of Eric Ellen m McNeil big run stuffer invitation, right, yeah, 780 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: and then and then you have you know, like Marvin 781 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: Wilson in the second and third. To be honest, the 782 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,439 Speaker 1: Jags don't need a newbie at defensive tackle. They need 783 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: someone who has tried and true improven I would anticipate 784 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: the free agent market burying somebody that they come. They 785 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: need to overpay to get a proven defensive tackle that 786 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 1: can come in inside and make a difference. Might need 787 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: to do it twice there, right, I mean double up 788 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: like that spending You got the money spending money, yeah, John, 789 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,240 Speaker 1: you got all that money spending spend some of that money. 790 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 1: John's making it ready, that's what every money we can 791 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: get some of these flares. So yeah, we gotta stop people. 792 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: We can't look because man, that run defense can't be 793 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: what it's been in the past. All right, let's get 794 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: our final question in today and again thanks for all 795 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: the submissions on Tuesday on social media. We appreciate it. 796 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: This is from at Danton Thomas. What percentage of players 797 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: do you think will be new to the Jaguars and 798 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: what position group will be A surprised with the number 799 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: of changes. Well, this is this is pretty deep. I 800 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 1: think there's on the final f D three. I'm gonna 801 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: say there are thirty new players next year because eleven 802 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: draft picks, a bunch of free agents coming in, undrafted guys. 803 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: They want their guys in there. You're gonna have some 804 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: starters back certainly on offense on the old line, and 805 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: some skill players. But other than that, like deeper down 806 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: the roster, I think it's thirty. That's my number. What 807 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: do you think? Yeah, that's that's about where I was. 808 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: I was at about I think I think your number 809 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 1: is right because I mean, let's be honest, like, how 810 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,279 Speaker 1: many ever you're gonna retain from the team and the 811 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 1: way the team played, you have to flip it. You 812 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: have to flip it, particularly because you're change in scheme. 813 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: I like that. I think the biggest position group to 814 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: change we're talking about it the defensive tackle class, like 815 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: the D line, the interior tackles, and especially because the 816 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: D line is the D coordinator's baby. All those guys, 817 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,720 Speaker 1: all those guys with the exception of the number ones, Well, 818 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: there might be a number one included in that also, 819 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: but I mean maybe you might. Yeah, but that that 820 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: that defensive line. We'll see a new defensive line next 821 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: season for sure, because it starts right there. You have 822 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,839 Speaker 1: to you have to get the trenches right. That's right, 823 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: I think. Well, and again, if we're assuming that it's 824 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: a three four, which you know, nobody's saying, yeah, but 825 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: let's assume it's a three four. Hamilton's I think Tavin 826 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: at the big end, I don't think you'll see him released, 827 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 1: you know, I think mostly just comes out in camp 828 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 1: and is not not even close right that that would 829 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 1: be the only thing. Yeah, they liked him at the 830 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: end of the season. Last year he played better at 831 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: big end than he had played at tackles. So don't 832 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: necessarily count him out of being a part of them. 833 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: I saying he's gonna be the guy. But I agree 834 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,240 Speaker 1: with you on as far as numbers, thirty, I almost 835 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: think that's the minimum of new you're gonna see it 836 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: because most teams have sixteen or seventeen new just right 837 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: out of the box, and because most of your rookies 838 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: make eat a couple of undrafted guys make it. Most 839 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: teams go nine or ten just rookies, and then all 840 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're talking about four or five new guys. 841 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 1: So at least thirty, I mean, it's gonna be a lot. 842 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,400 Speaker 1: That's what happens, That's what has to be. You have 843 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: to flip it. You can't go, you can't run it 844 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 1: back with the same front. We we have to we 845 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,720 Speaker 1: have to get everything about the changing schemes. New coach, 846 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: new culture, gender, manager is all different. I just can't 847 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: imagine a lot of the same personnel coming back. I 848 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: think they move on from and they try and do 849 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,879 Speaker 1: it their own way. Alright, guys, we have arrived at 850 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: the end of the Huddle Up podcast and coming up 851 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: this week, we're a week away from the franchise tag 852 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,799 Speaker 1: window closing. Weill Cam Robinson be tagged. Maybe we'll find 853 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 1: out by the time we are on this air for 854 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 1: this not air, but on this podcast next week two 855 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: weeks now until the start of the league year and 856 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 1: the opening of free agency. Johnny O, what do you 857 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,720 Speaker 1: have on Jaguars dot Com the rest of the week? Uh? 858 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: Good question? Podcast? Come up with Peter Straeger at some point, 859 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: another colleague of Bucky's from Oh look at you. I 860 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 1: go back to Peter a long way. It's good to 861 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: have him on. And uh probably uh more of our 862 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: position by position breakdown, which, by the way, Bucky and 863 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: I both worked on basically breaking down JAG's position by position, 864 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 1: went all ten positions. Get a lot of good feedback 865 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: on it. We're through the wide receivers right now. Have 866 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: some offensive line and tight end coming up for you, so, uh, 867 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 1: I would look for that. That's been a good read. Uh. 868 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: And because it involves Bucky Brooks, some insightful stuff. That's 869 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: right that's right, Bucky. What do you have coming up 870 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: on the NFL dot com and on the network. Oh, 871 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,920 Speaker 1: so Thursday, you guys will like this on the Move 872 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: the Sticks podcast, we are taking the Jaguars to the 873 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 1: body shop. We are rebuilding the Jacksonville Jaguars. We're giving 874 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: him a shining new engine, got some upgrades and some 875 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: add ons. We are making the Jaguars new and improved. 876 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold onto my wallet because it cost a 877 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: lot of money. What's up, bill comes dude, newer improved 878 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 1: restoration project. We can get it going a brand new automobile. 879 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 1: Once it's over with. We'll look forward to that. That'll be. 880 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 1: It's always a fantastic podcast. Johnny. Oh, have a great week. 881 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again soon. Bucky Brooks, NFL media analyst. 882 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 1: I'm J. P. Shadrick. Remember give us a subscription on 883 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: the Official Jaguars Podcast network, Appy Tunes, Spotify, what's the 884 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,280 Speaker 1: other one, Stitcher, there's some other ones all those. Wherever 885 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: you get your podcast, give us the five? So what 886 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,359 Speaker 1: was that? John? Public Library? Jacksonville Public Library apparently has 887 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,479 Speaker 1: podcasts and we're transcribing it and put it away. John 888 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: still looking for them there. Give us five stars in 889 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,400 Speaker 1: a comment, and we will catch you next week on 890 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: the Huddle Up Podcast.