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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. When the Netflix documentary about

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Speaker 1: Tiger King hit the airwaves, it was a lot of

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Speaker 1: entertainment for a lot of people. But it's not just

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Speaker 1: entertainment for one family that is still looking for their

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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us at Fox Nation and Series x M

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Speaker 1: one eleven. First of all, take a listen to this

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Speaker 1: Carol Baskin, the nemesis of Joe Exotic, as he calls

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Speaker 1: himself the Tiger King. She's set to take over his

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Speaker 1: Tiger Preserve at any minute. And now she is a

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Speaker 1: star on Dancing with the Stars, dressed up in her

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Speaker 1: cats and kittens. Okay, brace yourself. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friends at ABC, Hey are you cool cats and kitten?

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Speaker 1: My life got turned upside down by the documentary Tiger King.

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Speaker 1: Somebody had told me last year that I was going

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Speaker 1: to be on season twenty nine Dancing with the Stars,

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Speaker 1: I would have laughed out loud. I have absolutely zero

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Speaker 1: dance experience. I need to get in tiptop Cat fighting shape.

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Speaker 1: I've been practicing, practicing, practicing. I've been using virtual reality

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Speaker 1: to try and firm up everything. Don't go firm up everything. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's good to know. I'm glad I heard that. But

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Speaker 1: what I'd really like to know is where is Don Lewis,

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Speaker 1: Carol Baskin's former husband who mysteriously disappeared. Guys, let me

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Speaker 1: introduce to you our all star panel with me a

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Speaker 1: special guest, the Lewis family, lawyer with Phillips and Hunt,

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Speaker 1: committed to justice at Florida Justice dot com. John Phillips,

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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, joining us out of Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 1: You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com,

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Speaker 1: Director and founder of the Cold Case Research Institute, Forensics

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Speaker 1: expert Cheryl McCullum, and Crime online dot com investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: Nicole Parton. First of all, to you, John Phillips. I

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Speaker 1: understand that the Lewis family interrupted the program with a

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Speaker 1: commercial asking for help in solving Don's disappearance what I

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Speaker 1: both sides. And so you heard the narrative. Carol never

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Speaker 1: And so they did a call to action that aired

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Speaker 1: most important. Very shrewd, very shrewd. Indeed, John Phillips, you

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Speaker 1: We are a real family, and to us, he was daddy.

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Speaker 1: I'm Linda, one of Don Lewis's daughters, and we miss

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Speaker 1: Don's former assistance. All we're asking is justice for Don

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Speaker 1: Don Lewis was seriously disappeared in nineteen ninety seven. His

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Speaker 1: family deserves answers, They deserve justice. Do you know who

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Speaker 1: did this? Where Carol basking was involved? One hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: Hold on, John Phillips, you're the Lewis family lawyer. That

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Speaker 1: claimed that quote if you're gay, you're not allowed in

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Speaker 1: the TV room to watch TV either. You're treated the

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Speaker 1: same as sex offenders by the Nates. In an email,

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Speaker 1: he stated, I was locked in a room naked for

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Speaker 1: eight days, sleeping on a cold metal shelf on the

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Speaker 1: floor with dried feces and sperm on it from so

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Speaker 1: many others before me. There is no mental health here,

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Speaker 1: It's just abuse. The jail has denied that mulden Otto

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Speaker 1: was harmed straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall's psychoalis to

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Speaker 1: joining us from Beverly Hills at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.

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Speaker 1: You see the dichotomy between Joe Exotic and Carol Baskin.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that Joe Exotic was innocent. He

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Speaker 1: should have gone to jail for threatening to kill Carol

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Speaker 1: Baskin and his treatment of animals a jury agreed. But

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Speaker 1: to see her on Dancing with the Stars when the

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Speaker 1: disappearance of her husband, Don Lewis has never been resolved

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Speaker 1: is quite the contrast. Do you agree? I agree, it's

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Speaker 1: the contrast. And Carol Baskin is one of these perpetrators

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Speaker 1: who seems to always rise to the top, and we

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Speaker 1: think of her as just having one potential victim, Don Lewis,

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Speaker 1: her late husband, But perpetrators like Carol Baskin have multiple victims.

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Speaker 1: There is never just one victim. There's Joe Maldonado, even

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Speaker 1: though you know he's not a saint, there's Don Lewis's secretary,

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Speaker 1: his two lovely daughters that have probably paid their own

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Speaker 1: money for this commercial, and who knows who else out there,

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Speaker 1: maybe even Carol Baskin's brother, the patrol officer who is

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Speaker 1: on patrol that night, covers for his sister and then

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Speaker 1: what happens to his career. So there's a ripple effect

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Speaker 1: in terms of her offending pattern. Now we just know

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Speaker 1: about what's happening to Joe Maldonado because he has put

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Speaker 1: this statement out to President Trump, and we know that

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Speaker 1: high net worth individual like to find other networking individuals

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Speaker 1: and to publicize their affiliation, So maybe that's what Joe

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Speaker 1: Muldonado is doing. But we do know that that Carol

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Speaker 1: Baskins is dancing her way not only over her husband's grave,

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Speaker 1: but over everybody's life around her. To Nicole Parton Crime

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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, is it true that Carol

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Speaker 1: Bastin is set to take over the Tiger King's Tiger Preserve?

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Speaker 1: That's true, Nancy. The Winwood Exotic Animal Park formally Joe

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Speaker 1: Exotics Park went to Jeff Lowe. Jeff Lowe lost his

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Speaker 1: license and a judge then ordered the property to be

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Speaker 1: given to Carol, and we expect that to happen any day.

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Speaker 1: And I also want to add here in my local

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Speaker 1: market in Florida, the family's commercial and Dancing with the

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Speaker 1: Stars aired and that was the showstopper of the night.

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Speaker 1: That was the greatest move for that first Dancing with

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Speaker 1: the Stars episode. Wait can you see the next one? So,

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Speaker 1: John Phillips, is there going to be another commercial in

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Speaker 1: the middle Dancement Stars. We're working out what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: But the intention, Yeah, these things are expensive and the

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Speaker 1: family just can't keep shelling out and keep up. We can't,

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Speaker 1: you know, we can't. We can't afford a national ad.

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Speaker 1: We can't afford much. But there is an intention to

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Speaker 1: put more messaging out every time we've got to hear,

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Speaker 1: you know, Carol Baskin appear and not mentioned Don Lewis.

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Speaker 1: Don Lewis's name needs to be a part of the

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Speaker 1: narrative at all times. If we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: Carol Baskin, well, somebody is still making money off Joe Exotic.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. It seems like the public

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Speaker 1: just can't get enough of Tiger King star Joe Exotic

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Speaker 1: his line of designer underwear, some sporting his face over

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Speaker 1: the groin area, sold out immediately when it launched earlier

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Speaker 1: this month, breaking in fifty thousand dollars in online sales.

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Speaker 1: The top seller in his Revenge collection with Old Dangerous

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Speaker 1: appears to be the limited edition Casket Basket Box a

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Speaker 1: brief which depicts blood red ice cream in a cone.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to part of the ad seeing your husband, boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: fiance and those nasty tidy whitey and then drinking boxing doors.

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Speaker 1: Have I got the product for you today? Jazz him

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Speaker 1: up and get him on the wild side with exclusive

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Speaker 1: Tiger Knew and they are everywhere, Oh Dangerous, just put

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Speaker 1: up three billboards in Mexico pushing the Revenge collection. Somebody's

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Speaker 1: making money off Joe Exotic by putting out the Joe

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Speaker 1: Exotic underwear with let's just say meaningful messages across the

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Speaker 1: crotch in another arena of the courthouse. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to Chase Horn kfo R News four. Owner of the

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Speaker 1: GW Zoo, Jeff Flow, still has until October before Carol

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Speaker 1: Baskin takes over the property, but this week the zoo

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Speaker 1: posted on its Facebook page that the park is close

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Speaker 1: to the public, effective immediately. Guy, you got to go

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Speaker 1: from across the street, across the street, yester wire from

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Speaker 1: across wire from across the street because the police the

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Speaker 1: doors may be closed. But minutes after we showed up

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Speaker 1: to the GW zoo, zookeeper Eric Cohey came outside telling

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Speaker 1: us to leave across the street. We're not on your property, dude,

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Speaker 1: you gotta go across street. The announcement came in this

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Speaker 1: Facebook post the GW Zoo saying they have decided to

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Speaker 1: close the Old Zoo effective immediately. This after the USDA

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Speaker 1: announced it was suspending owner Jeff Lowe's exhibitors license for

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Speaker 1: twenty one days. The USDA sending us a statement that says,

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Speaker 1: in part, Lowe may not conduct regulated activity during the suspension.

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Speaker 1: After the twenty one day suspension, APHIS will evaluate the

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Speaker 1: status of the animals at the facility and determine next steps.

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Speaker 1: Seemingly they have until October before the preserve is taken over.

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Speaker 1: At this hour, Kenny far the former handyman to Carol Baskin,

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Speaker 1: as well as Carol basket ER's self, insists they are

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Speaker 1: innocent and had nothing to do with the disappearance of

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Speaker 1: Don Lewis back to you, John Phillips, the Lewis family lawyer,

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Speaker 1: does Don's the family believe in any condition, under any condition,

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Speaker 1: he would remain absent from the lives of his children

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Speaker 1: for this long. Absolutely not. Donna, the eldest daughter, saw

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Speaker 1: him the father's day before he went missing, so months

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Speaker 1: before he went missing, Don had a wonderful relationship with

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Speaker 1: his kids. I mean, certainly adult kids kind of move

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Speaker 1: on sometimes, but he maintained in close contact with his kids,

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Speaker 1: loved his grandkids, had met his young grandkids at that time.

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Speaker 1: And there's just there's just no plausible scenario that Don

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Speaker 1: would walk away for twenty three years and nobody find him.

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Speaker 1: John Phillips, He's dead. And are you sure McCallum it

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Speaker 1: was not natural causes? What's your best what's your best scenarios?

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Speaker 1: Jeral What happened? Best scenario is you bollow the money

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Speaker 1: who benefited. There's only one person that is benefited financially

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Speaker 1: from this, and this person. In an ad for Dancing

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Speaker 1: with the Stars, when asked about her choreography, of all

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Speaker 1: the phrases she could have chosen, she's selected to say,

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Speaker 1: I'm killing it. Again, Baskin insists she's innocent. Tipline eight one, three, two, four,

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Speaker 1: seven eighty two hundred. We wait as justice Unfoalds Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story, signing off Goodbye friend,