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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on giants dot Com. Lance Meadow, John Schmilk, and

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Speaker 1: you on the phones at two oh one nine three

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Speaker 1: nine four or five one three or on Twitter hashtag

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Speaker 1: Giants Chat. We're doing a better job of getting all

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Speaker 1: your tweets. Will get to those today. We'll have a

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Speaker 1: question to day for you in a second. But Lance,

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Speaker 1: a couple of things going on around the league. Reports

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Speaker 1: are we have the hard knocks team in and it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a team that has been a spectacle for

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Speaker 1: all the wrong reasons over the past three or four years,

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Speaker 1: and that is the Clevelands. Well, when you're a spectacle

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Speaker 1: for all their own reasons, you make good television, Johnson.

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Speaker 1: That would be why I think HBO is heading in

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Speaker 1: the direction. No, in all seriousness, I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: a team that has really changed its roster over the

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Speaker 1: course of the last offseason since John Dorsey took over

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Speaker 1: as general manager. I think there's some intriguing storylines. You

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Speaker 1: also obviously have Baker Mayfield's arrival, So to me, I'm

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Speaker 1: all about the good stories when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: teams they choose for Hard Knocks, not necessarily what I

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Speaker 1: think is going to be the most competitive team in

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Speaker 1: the NFL for the upcoming season. And I think I

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Speaker 1: agree meets the bill. Whenever you have a rookie quarterback,

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Speaker 1: that makes for, you know, intriguing television. You have a

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Speaker 1: running back competition to in Nick Trubb and Carlos Hide. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you have obviously everything going on there with Hugh Jackson.

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Speaker 1: He's a pretty telegenent guy that likes to be in

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Speaker 1: is you know a guy that that's a good speaker,

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Speaker 1: and I think he will embrace that type of show.

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Speaker 1: So I think it'll be fun. Have you watched it

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Speaker 1: all the any of the last couple of years the

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Speaker 1: All or Nothing Amazon series? Have you watched seen clips

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Speaker 1: here there? I have not seen pretty good. It's pretty good, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And and Dallas was this year, so I watched a

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Speaker 1: couple episodes of that. I watched a couple of the Rams.

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Speaker 1: I think we're also and the Cardinals, and it's it's

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Speaker 1: basically hard knocks over the course of the season, and

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Speaker 1: you have access to the meeting rooms, you have access

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Speaker 1: Have you, folks, you have been watching the NFL films

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Speaker 1: produces it, but Ariazon Amazon Prime if you're an Amazon

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Speaker 1: Prime subscriber, So that's something you can check out um

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Speaker 1: with that as well. Always by it's not a whole

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Speaker 1: I thought was interesting, and that Aaron Rodgers a good

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Speaker 1: for him too well, And they also lost Jordy Nelson

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Speaker 1: then he joined the Oakland Raiders. But I think part

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Speaker 1: like everybody started to run with that. But to me,

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Speaker 1: Bay is a good fit Dez needs a quarterback that

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a bad feature, Listen. I want

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Speaker 1: there's a really good chance Lance it could be the

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Speaker 1: it might be a year earlier for them, though I'm

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Speaker 1: with you, I think we might be a year ahead.

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Speaker 1: Uh the Seahawks, I'll throw out of the mix, because

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Speaker 1: I think they've probably gonna be worse this year, um

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Speaker 1: than the Rams. I mean, they're the top offense the

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Speaker 1: league last year, so they can't really get much better

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Speaker 1: than that. And the Arizona Cardinals, who you know what,

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Speaker 1: how bad were they last year offensively? Ariazon, remember they

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Speaker 1: at the bottom of the league as Palmo was out

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Speaker 1: a lot of the year and David Johnson also was hurt.

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Speaker 1: Arizona was was eighth worst in points per game. Okay,

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Speaker 1: only eighteen point four points per game that they average

439
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Speaker 1: now in terms of yardage looking right now, just around

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Speaker 1: where the Giants were three hundred fourteen point one, so

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Speaker 1: they were behind the Giants. It's not that impressive on paper,

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Speaker 1: and it's understandable, like you said, given the injuries. But

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Speaker 1: you know, we'll see what happens with Bradford, We'll see

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Speaker 1: what happens with David john Us. And you've got two

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Speaker 1: players who I like, but two players also with injury histories.

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Speaker 1: And they drafted Christian karka wide receiver in the second

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Speaker 1: round and then and their defense is really good last year. Now,

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Speaker 1: they did lose a personnel, some of the guys came here,

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Speaker 1: but I I still like what Wilkes is going to

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Speaker 1: be working with. Who's the Roseen in Arizona. It's a

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Speaker 1: good question who did Wilkes bring in? I know North

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Speaker 1: Turner went to Carolina who had some ties to him.

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Speaker 1: Did they My guess is they did not keep Goodwin. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Mike McCoy. Mike McCoy coordinator. Ye, former Broncos and was

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Speaker 1: with the Chargers head coach. So yeah, he is a

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Speaker 1: good offensive mind. And we'll see whether or not he's

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Speaker 1: got healthy bodies to work with. I mean, that's what

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Speaker 1: Arizona comes down to. And you know they also drafted

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Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, so how much of a leish are they

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Speaker 1: gonna give Sam Bradford. If if Bradford plays well, probably

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Speaker 1: gonna stick with him. If Bradford gets hurt, then you

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Speaker 1: feel good that you can throw in Rosen and do

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Speaker 1: sort of a baptism by fire scenario. I want to

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Speaker 1: do some calls on three on Twitter hashtag Giants Chat.

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Speaker 1: Will be sure to get to your tweets over the

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Speaker 1: course of the show. Jason A. Denmark, we'll lead off overseas.

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Speaker 1: What's up Jason? And it was going on Fellers, how

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Speaker 1: are you go ahead? Jason, I'm going fine. Man. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing real fine because I'm at work and normally

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Speaker 1: and I'm homeless into your show man. My wife's is Janius,

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Speaker 1: so I can hear nothing but Morton Anderson, Morton Anderson

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Speaker 1: mord Anson don't play for the Giant Morton as man.

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Speaker 1: That's funny, you know. But my Mike Mike question today is,

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Speaker 1: uh so this year offense. I've been thinking which one

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Speaker 1: would you rather? And I know in the end you

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Speaker 1: would rather just win, But which game type of games

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Speaker 1: would you all like seeing? The matabical games where you

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Speaker 1: just grind it out or the high flying offense. Does

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Speaker 1: it have to be one of the other? I think

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Speaker 1: the beauty of in my opinion, how the Giants can

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Speaker 1: run this offense is that based on who they're playing,

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Speaker 1: they can do this either way. If a team is

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Speaker 1: really pour against the run, they can pound it a

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Speaker 1: little bit and run the ball a lot. But I

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Speaker 1: really believe, Jason, in my heart of hearts, the way

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Speaker 1: you win NFL games these days in the modern eras

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Speaker 1: by making big plays. If you don't make big plays

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Speaker 1: and you have to sustain, you know, eight to twelve

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Speaker 1: play drives down the field to score your points. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be really hard to do it. So I'm looking

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Speaker 1: forward to this Giant's offense making more big plays. And

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Speaker 1: I think if the offense does in fact make the

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Speaker 1: jump we're talking about, it's gonna be because of more

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Speaker 1: big plays in the passing game. Yeah, I would agree.

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Speaker 1: I mean, because you know, if you're referring Jason to

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Speaker 1: that grinding out type of mentality, all you need to

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Speaker 1: do is go back to two thousand sixteen. And I

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Speaker 1: constantly bring up two thousand sixteen, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: it was fool's gold, but you know, there were a

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Speaker 1: lot of games that could have easily went the other way.

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Speaker 1: So you know that to me wasn't in eleven and

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Speaker 1: five record of dominance. That was an eleven and five

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Speaker 1: record of grinding it out, getting the plays that you

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Speaker 1: need to be done at the end of games, whether

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Speaker 1: it be on offense and defense, just to preserve the victory.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I mean, if you're looking for a

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Speaker 1: significant jump for the Giants offense, you want to go

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Speaker 1: back to Ben mcadoo's first year as offensive coordinator, when

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Speaker 1: they were making the big plays, when they were putting

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Speaker 1: points on the board. That's what I think the Giants

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Speaker 1: need to get back to. I don't think they need

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Speaker 1: to get back to two thousand sixteen, where you know,

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Speaker 1: the defense look really good, but you didn't know necessarily

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Speaker 1: what you're going to get out of the offense each

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Speaker 1: and every week. All right, Right for me, I was,

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Speaker 1: I just want to see, you know, a year where

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Speaker 1: we just like ahead two scores, three scores comfortably, you know,

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Speaker 1: because so many years we go where it's so close,

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Speaker 1: so close, it's like tortures sometimes, you know, well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and that's like air where it's like we have a

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Speaker 1: few games, you know, say five games out of the

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Speaker 1: season where we're just ahead like two three touchdowns and

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Speaker 1: you know, we sit and comfortable and maybe they take

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Speaker 1: Eli out, me give a gatorade while somebody else goes in.

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Speaker 1: You know, I would love to see a couple of

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Speaker 1: games like that, you know, Jason absolutely and appreciate the

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Speaker 1: call man, thanks for calling it him. One more thing,

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Speaker 1: one more thing, I gotta I gotta give body all

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Speaker 1: your props because I have to give him Lance his

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Speaker 1: props because all season long he was saying Baker Mayfield,

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, and even though he didn't go to us,

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Speaker 1: and I not necessarily wanted him to come to us,

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Speaker 1: but you know he went first. Off to give Lance

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Speaker 1: props for seeing that. And John, I have to give

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Speaker 1: you props when you went down and you watched the

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Speaker 1: players and you said watch will Hernandez and we got him.

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Speaker 1: And I was so happy for that, and I'm happy

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Speaker 1: that you told all that and he went and looked

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Speaker 1: at it and he wouldn't believe it too. Thank you, Jason.

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Speaker 1: You gotta Jason, appreciate you all again. Tomorrow I will

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Speaker 1: point out that Lance would have picked they feel first.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure you predicted that Mayfield would go first. No,

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Speaker 1: I just said that he was the best quarterback and

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Speaker 1: he should have been the first one taken over the board. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I did not necessarily. I mean remember I was campaigning

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Speaker 1: that I thought the Brown should taken Parkley one. Remember

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Speaker 1: we had those conversations. The first one to admit it,

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Speaker 1: but I was glad to see that Cleveland if they

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Speaker 1: wanted to go quarterback, that to me, I think they

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Speaker 1: took the best possible option. And he was my second guy,

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Speaker 1: had Donald Den Mayfield, So we are Paul wasn't on

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Speaker 1: the Mayfield bag Bend wagon was on the Josh Island bandwagon,

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Speaker 1: So we'll see how that works out. We'll see how

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Speaker 1: that works out. Correct, Yes to five on three. We

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Speaker 1: have some open lines, folks. By the ways, you want

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Speaker 1: to get in field frame Mark in New York is

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Speaker 1: up next time? Mark? Okay, how are you guys are doing?

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Speaker 1: What's Mark? What do you got for us? Yeah? I

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Speaker 1: was just kind of killed my My main question it

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Speaker 1: was pretty much what are the chances of us going

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Speaker 1: from last first in the division? Because I had seen

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Speaker 1: a couple of other of our rival we do it,

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Speaker 1: so that would have been like my first thing I've

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Speaker 1: wanted to get off that. Mark. I think you got

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Speaker 1: a shot at it. I mean the NFC East particularly

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Speaker 1: has been very unpredictable over the course of the last

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Speaker 1: twelve years. How many straight years has been Land since

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Speaker 1: since the team repeated as division champions basically since Andy

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Speaker 1: read Eagle right, since the Eagles won those four straight

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Speaker 1: So it's been a long time, so it's wide open.

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Speaker 1: It could happen. Would I consider it better than fifty shot? Likely?

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Speaker 1: Maybe not that high, but I think the Giants certainly

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Speaker 1: have the personnel if they stay healthy and play well

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Speaker 1: to be right in the mix for the division titled

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Speaker 1: the end of the year, and we'll see if they can.

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Speaker 1: I think the key to me, Mark is whether or

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Speaker 1: not they can be consistent enough defensively and they can

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Speaker 1: hold up their end of the bargain on that side

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Speaker 1: of the field. I think that will be a key

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Speaker 1: to whether or not the Giants are seven or eight

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Speaker 1: win team or there are nine, ten or eleven win team. Well,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna add to that, and we'll let you continue, John.

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Speaker 1: I think you bring up an excellent point because I

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Speaker 1: think sometimes we're focusing so much on the offense and

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Speaker 1: the changes up personnel. But what people have to remember,

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Speaker 1: I'm in the defense has changed too, you know. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about a new coordinator. You know,

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Speaker 1: personnel has changed. And remember two thousand sixteen, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about one of the best defenses in the NFL. Two

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Speaker 1: thousand seventeen a significant dropped. Now, granted there were a

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Speaker 1: lot of injuries, but now you've got the combination of

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Speaker 1: some new person sel a new scheme. You can't just

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Speaker 1: if you're a Giants fan this season, you can't just

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Speaker 1: pencil and the Giants and say, oh, they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a top five defense, so all you have to expect

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Speaker 1: is the offense to move from thirty first to let's say,

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Speaker 1: and then everything is business as usual. So you know,

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Speaker 1: to me, the defense has just as many question marks

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Speaker 1: as the offense, given the fact that there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of changes on that side of the ball. So you know,

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Speaker 1: that's the other thing that can't be dismissed or overlooked

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Speaker 1: in this conversation. Okay, now now watch this I got

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Speaker 1: because of that, I got two quick questions. Here's the

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Speaker 1: first one. Is it uh? Is it possible for us

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Speaker 1: to sign veterans at a decent minimum because I'm looking at,

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Speaker 1: you know, the way we're trying to get the run

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Speaker 1: game going. I'm not saying a Dez Bryant type of

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Speaker 1: person like this is already out there, but like somebody

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Speaker 1: as big as him, not as fast, somebody who can

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Speaker 1: handle the one on one and like Mom and Sin

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Speaker 1: will be like my case scenarios why I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to throw out in Sayda, but there's also dominic where

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Speaker 1: I just Caramadi who's still out there. Is it possible

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Speaker 1: that we could actually kick the tires to that kind

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Speaker 1: of scenario being that we're trying to be a power

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Speaker 1: running team. It would help that somebody like you know,

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Speaker 1: that kind of wide receiver type to block, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it would just be good to safety be the first

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Speaker 1: guy to makes contact if we all map this out correctly,

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Speaker 1: if they's hat on the hat, That's how I'm and

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Speaker 1: that's like my kind of case scenario for my question

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Speaker 1: is that that's some kind of thing we might want

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Speaker 1: to look at because we almost like we're built to win. Well,

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Speaker 1: they've added veterans to your point. I mean Leon Hall

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Speaker 1: was added a few off seasons ago, right before training camp.

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Speaker 1: You know, they added Mike Nugent. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: crazy to think that the Giants could add a veteran

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Speaker 1: in terms of though you're focusing on the wide receiver position,

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Speaker 1: and I believe that they want to still assess what

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Speaker 1: they have with these young guys before they start going

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Speaker 1: in the direction of, yeah, we need to upgrade. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you even't heard Pat Shermer talk about it, you know

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Speaker 1: during rookie minicamp. Okay, well you got O'Dell, you got

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Speaker 1: Sterling Shepard Evan Ingram to me, I consider a part

635
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Speaker 1: of the receiving game. But you know what kan to

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Speaker 1: But but you know, I think they want to get

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Speaker 1: to the point and and patmor even throughout. You know,

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Speaker 1: what does Travis Rudolph show them? John, what does Roger

639
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Speaker 1: Lewis show that Latimer? Cody Latimer? You know, I think

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Speaker 1: they want to give those guys chances before they start

641
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: thinking about, well, Eric Decker is out there and des

642
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: Bryant's out there, because you might as well see what

643
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: you have and if you can develop those younger options

644
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 1: who may be on your team for longer than just

645
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: one year as a rental, I think that's much more

646
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: valuable than just bringing it a guy for the sake,

647
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: especially since you don't need that great second wide receiver.

648
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: You have so many other guys that are mismashes and

649
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: you can't cover one on one. I think to commit

650
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: and look, I know you said of like like a

651
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: veteran minimum type of deal, which is fine, but I

652
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: would hesitate committing any sort of significant resources to that position. Okay,

653
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: like that, That's what I was at that. I was

654
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: wondering how long was it I'm gonna get off the

655
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: area now? I was just wondering, how long do you

656
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: think should we give them, like as far as giants hoping,

657
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: should we give them a year? Because it's an offense

658
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: and the defense and the specialty in new coach, it's

659
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: everything's brand new and and and and we went to

660
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: a three four, which I'm kind of just trying to

661
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: get a shipping of. Can this is my final thing

662
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: I wanted you to educate me on because this is

663
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: like a whole new scheme to me. Because we picked

664
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: up two defensive tackles in the later in the later

665
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: rounds in the draft. Yes, I was wondering, are they

666
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: defensive ends in a three four? Because you know what

667
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: I mean, like it seems like we it seems like

668
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: we have a solid rotation. If that's what the case is. Well,

669
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: I mean I'm playing those tackle. I know that that

670
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: I knew for a fact, But now I had to

671
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: I had to bring this question to you. See you

672
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: get you. You can shine some light on me and

673
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: thank you for taking my call. Guys part of somewhere

674
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: appreciate it. And it's a good question. Um. I think

675
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: for one, people get too wrapped up into what's gonna

676
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: happen on base defense. You're only in the base defense

677
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: twenty percent of the time, maybe twenty five percent of

678
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: the time of most in the NFL. Okay, So don't

679
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: lose your mind. You're not gonna be in that base

680
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: defense much. And in sub package. Your basic subpackage has

681
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: four down defensive lineman. Now he's gonna mess around and

682
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: stand up guys on the edge and stuff, but you

683
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: still two defensive tackles on the field. And in that case,

684
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: I got I got Ja McIntosh, a guy like b J. Hill,

685
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: they'll be either you're you know one technique or your

686
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: you know nose or there'll be a three technique in

687
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: the base I think b J. Hill can play d

688
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: end or nose tackle. Uh. To me, he looks more

689
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: like a three or four defensive end and practice than

690
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: he does a nose in terms of his movement skills.

691
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: And Macintosh to me, is a three technique and sub

692
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: and he's a defensive end in the three four um

693
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: in base defense. So that's how I see those guys.

694
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: I think when they're in the base defense lens, you're

695
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: gonna see Damon Snacks Harrison as your nose tackle and

696
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: then then move everybody else around him. I mean, Donvin

697
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: Thomlinson is another guy that you know you have to

698
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: consider too. You're not just gonna throw him on the

699
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: bench too. With respect to the change in this game,

700
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: and I think he would start a defensive end. I

701
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: agree as well. But I think when Snacks is not

702
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: on the field of nose tackle, I think Tomlinson is

703
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: a better nose tackle option than to b J. Hell.

704
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit bigger. Yeah, I would

705
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: agree with you. I would go with Tomlinson is the

706
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: first guy on the interior, and I agree with you.

707
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: I think Hill and McIntosh have potential just based on

708
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: also the coaches that we talked to from n SEE

709
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: stayed in Miami that they can be moved to the

710
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: outside depending on the rotation of the defensive lineman. So

711
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule that out. But I think he brought

712
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: up an excellent point. We get too caught up in

713
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: four threes versus three fours, and most defensive coaches will

714
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: tell you in this day and age, you're gonna have

715
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: the nickel defense on the field more often than not.

716
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna go with the extra defensive back more so

717
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: than you're gonna worry about having the extra defensive linement.

718
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: So I think we're losing a lot of sleep over

719
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, who's gonna be lined up here versus there

720
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: on the line when you probably gonna go with the

721
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: extra defensive back. Yeah. I think the questions we don't

722
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: get enough to that same point are um A the

723
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: nickel corner, who's basically more of a starter than your

724
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 1: three or four defensive ends. You know, William Gay obviously

725
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: is a guy that has the job right now, but

726
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: he has still keep it and how much is he

727
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: left in the tank? He's and his you know, mids

728
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: by far the front runner John. I don't think anybody's close,

729
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: but he's still not. How many corners in the mid

730
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: thirties running around the league starting around okay, so can

731
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: you still do it? We'll see? And then who's your

732
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: nickel linebacker next to Oagle Tree? You know, all these

733
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: outside linebacker is gonna be pass rushers on third down?

734
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 1: So can b J. Goodson be on the field as

735
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: a coverage guy and third downs? He wasn't really asked

736
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: to do that whole lot last year when he was healthy.

737
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: So who's gonna be that second coverage linebacker in nickel spots?

738
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: I think it is also interesting, Yeah, we saw Goodson

739
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: a little bit in that role. I remember last year

740
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: in training camp, John, I remember they had him run

741
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: out with tight ends, but then he got hurt, so

742
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: we really didn't see whether or not he could transfer

743
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: that skill set over to the field. So you know,

744
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: he would be a guy that you know. I think

745
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: the coaching staff would like to see him stay on

746
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: the field in all types of situations. He certainly has

747
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: the upside, but you know, the durability still needs to

748
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: be proven, and I think the versatility needs to grow

749
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: too with respect to b J. Goodson. The other thing

750
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: I want to throw out related to our conversation before

751
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: we head back to the phone lines. I was looking

752
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: up real quickly the comparison of the two thousand sixteen

753
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: offenses to the two thousand seventeen offenses, just if you

754
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: wanted to see who made a significant jump from one

755
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: year to another. So what's realistic for the Giants the Rams,

756
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: believe it or not, John, I mean, I didn't realize

757
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: that they made that significant of a job that that's remarkable. Now,

758
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean the Giants are doing that. I'm not

759
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: bringing that up. But the only reason I bring up

760
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: the Rams is they did change coaches, they changed an

761
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: offensive philosophy and thirty second to first, So that's one.

762
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: The other one I think is interesting of note is

763
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: Minnesota Minnesota, because remember North Turner started off as the

764
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: o C. Pat Shermo was the tight ends coach. He

765
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: then took over his o C. So there was some

766
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: changes between sixteen and seventeen. Minnesota in two thousand sixteen

767
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: was twenty three last year. Last year, Minnesota jumped to tenth.

768
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: They also made a significant move up the rankings even

769
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: though nothing changed. But obviously you had Pat Schermer as

770
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: a common trade with the Giants. Two other points I

771
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: want to make from prior calls. Then we'll continue on

772
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: the phone lines while you guys have stacked up the

773
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: calls full banks. Good job um the defense. Last year, Lance,

774
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: the Giants gave up the fifth most points in football,

775
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 1: and I believe they gave up the second most yards

776
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: in football. They did, So you talk about the offense

777
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: being bed, the defense was actually worse. If you want,

778
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: we just go by the Royal rankings and the numbers

779
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 1: and yards, the defense was worse. So again, the offense

780
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: is exciting, but it's a it's a two ways to

781
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: last three week game with special teams, and the special

782
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: teams also struggled last year. Those other facets have to

783
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: get better here to help out the explosive offense. People

784
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: tend to fall love with the sexy spills skill position. Guys,

785
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: we've seen it a million times before. Well, the offensive

786
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: line hold up with a defense hold up. They're part

787
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: of the bargain. And when the special teams help you

788
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: win games, that helping you lose games, we'll see. Well,

789
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: all you need to do, John is look at three

790
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: straight games before the injuries hit. In two thousand seventeen Philadelphia,

791
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: special teams and defensive mishaps at the end of the

792
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: game lead to the game winning field goal. Right. Then

793
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: the following week in Tampa Bay, special teams defensive mishaps

794
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: lead to the game. We had the lead in that game,

795
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: and so it's so so Also in the Philadelphia game, right,

796
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: wasn't the defense on the field with either the lead

797
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: or a tie game? I think because the Giants remember

798
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: fought their way back and took the lead with the

799
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: Shepherd long touchdown. But I'm also referring to the two

800
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: corners colliding leading to the field goal and then also

801
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: the bad punt. So you combine that same thing with

802
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: Philadelphia and tam Bay, and then I could even make

803
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: a case that Los Angeles the Chargers game. Now, that

804
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: was when everybody got hurt. Remember Melvin Gordon scores the

805
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: late touchdown. Now people are gonna argue Eliming was sacked

806
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: and fumbled and that made it a short field for

807
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: the Chargers. So that's how they got to go ahead touchdown.

808
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: But still, you know, you hold the Chargers to a

809
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: field go john as opposed to a touchdown, maybe the

810
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: conversation changes. So those are three straight games right there.

811
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: I mean, those are defining moments of last season. I'm

812
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: not arguing, and I'm not gonna sit here and say

813
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: the Giants win those three games, they are a playoff team.

814
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: The point is what you brought up, we're looking at

815
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: the offense when the defense and special teams put its

816
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: stamp on last season's losses too. Absolutely, and to Jason's

817
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: first point where he said I want to see some

818
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: more games with the Giants, wouldn't comfortably that's important. I mean,

819
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: if there's one real consistent factor in my opinion, that

820
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: determines what teams make and don't make the playoffs. A

821
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: lot of the times is point differential. Look at the

822
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: teams at the best point differences in the league. They're

823
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: generally in the playoffs. The ones with bad ones are not.

824
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: And the way the NFL works year and year, we

825
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: saw the Giants in two thousand and sixteen as opposed

826
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: to two thousand and seventeen. If you plan a lot

827
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: of close games, you're gonna win a lot of them,

828
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: or you're gonna lose a lot of them, and a

829
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: lot of times as not to term by how good

830
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: you are. It's determined by timing some luck close games.

831
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: Anything can happen. The key is to win some games

832
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: by a lot of points, so you finish with a

833
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: big point differential and he doesn't come down to chance

834
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: plays at the ends of some of these games. Just

835
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: for an example last year, plus one sixty two for

836
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: New England, plus one forty nine for Jacksonville, plus seventy

837
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: six for the Chiefs, plus one sixty two for the Eagles,

838
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: plus one thirty for the Vikings, plus one twenty two

839
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: for the Saints, plus one forty nine for the Rams.

840
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: These are the best teams in the league, and those

841
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: are all the best point differentials in the league. It's

842
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: consistent time and time again. Only one team last year

843
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: Lands made the playoffs that had a negative point differential,

844
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: and that was the Buffalo Bills. Everyone else was on

845
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: the positive side and the Titans there were minus twenty two.

846
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, in a very poor a f C South.

847
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: So point difference is important. And if you're in a

848
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: lot of close games, you leave a lot to chance

849
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: and you leave a lot to fate. Jason was absolutely

850
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: right about that. Giants only scored twenty touchdowns. I just

851
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: looked up my charts last season, and I mean, if

852
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: you continue to get below thirty touchdowns in this league,

853
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: you're gonna be hard pressed to win football games. And

854
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: and the d schoing more than two touchdowns a game, yeah,

855
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 1: you have to. So that alone tells a lot. And John,

856
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: here's another speaking of differential, what about turnover differential too.

857
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean that's also been a killer for the Giants

858
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: minus three last year. How many teams with negative turnover

859
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: differential wind up making the playoffs? So that's another one

860
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: to me. Point differential and turnover differential go hand at hand.

861
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: The teams and the pluses are usually the ones that

862
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: of the time are getting into the playoffs. Listen, there

863
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: are the rare occurrences because you make up for it

864
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: with maybe an unbelievable offense. But I guarantee you you

865
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: look at all the teams that made the playoffs last

866
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: year in turnover differential, you're not finding too many teams

867
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: that are in the negative. And the Giants were negative three.

868
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: And that was another factor last year. Teams that were

869
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: in the negative that made the playoffs um Carolina negative one, okay,

870
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: higher than the John Atlanta negative two. Also higher than

871
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: the Giants, Titans negative four, okay, below the Giants. That's

872
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: one team everyone else, everybody else Philly plus eleven Cheese

873
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: plus fifteen Bills plus nine, which is how they one

874
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: made it. By the way, with that minus point differential,

875
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: um Rams plus seven Patriots plus seven Saints plus seven

876
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: Vikings plus five. So there you go, there you go.

877
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: I mean those two are huge factors. Al Right, back

878
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: to the phones to two and one nine, four five

879
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: one three. I'll start taking a look at your tweets

880
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: as well, Max and Newark. Good next, Uman's protecting my call.

881
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: I just want to make a point to kind of

882
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: e found a little bit of what you guys just

883
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: said about the point de preensives and all that. You

884
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: look at the difference between the Giants steen and twenty seventeen.

885
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, they won all the close games one

886
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: way or another team that lost those close games the

887
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: Giants to one goal match. You absolutely right. And just

888
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: just just to note last, and the Giants or minus

889
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: one forty two in terms of their points differential, which

890
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: obviously is pretty brutal. The year before, um, they were

891
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: only a plus twenty six, but when eleven and five

892
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: usually if you're just plus twenty six, you're in and

893
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: around five hundred. The Giants won eleven games that only

894
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: plus twenty six, And to your point, it's because they

895
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: won so many of those close games. Well. But the

896
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: other thing though, and I agree with your point, The

897
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 1: other difference though with two thousand seventeen, is they're also

898
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: more lopsided games this past season versus two thousand sixteen.

899
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: Not only were they winning the close games, but most

900
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: games more often than not. We're competitive. You felt like

901
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: you had a chance entering the fourth quarter second half

902
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: of the year. Last year, it's some blowouts, Yeah, I mean,

903
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: you know, the Denver game will they won, but the

904
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: Rams game lopsided, the Niners game lopsided, Cowboys Cowboys game lopsided,

905
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: the Cardinals game lopsided. I mean that's a quarter of

906
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: the season right there that you stood no chance. That

907
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: was more for the sixteen thing that that eleven and

908
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: five record I think was better than what their plus

909
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: point twenty six point differential might make you think it was.

910
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: Brand I want to do with that, And the question

911
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: I want to ask was this coming season, do you

912
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: think there's more questions on the offense or the defense?

913
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: For example, the question of right tackle, the question of UM,

914
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: what would be the number three right receiver? Is shepherds

915
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: and shepherd states on the slot? Who will be the

916
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: number two UM? Split out? And or is the question

917
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: on the defense with linebackers or second every step? And

918
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: I'll think that questioner, thank you, thank you, Max, and

919
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: and to me, the biggest questions right now are on defense. UM.

920
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: I know right tackle might be the biggest individual question

921
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: mark in terms of who's going to start there, and

922
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: I seed that point, I understand it. But when I

923
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: think about this defense, what's the most important thing lines

924
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: for a defense to be consistently good. You have to

925
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: be able to generate pass pressure. Aside from Olivia Vernon again,

926
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 1: who's only had double digit sacks once in his career,

927
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: and I think it was three years ago now with

928
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: with with Dalins when he did maybe even four. Where

929
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: are the Giants getting consistent pass pressure? How are they

930
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: getting Is it by scheme? Is it by blitzing? How

931
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: are they getting it? Um throwing the fact? And he

932
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 1: Max mentioned this the end of his call secondary death.

933
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: If you have a generous Jenkins injury, what the heck

934
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: is going to happen the secondary who's your third fourth,

935
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: who's your third fourth, fifth? They brought in so many

936
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: different guys, right, And is he, like Apple, going to

937
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: rebound from a year last year? How is Jenkinson going

938
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: go back from his injury last year? All these things

939
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: are really important questions. So to me, I feel a

940
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: lot better right now about the offense than I did

941
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: the defense. And that's just me. Yeah, I think that's

942
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: a fair assessment. And that's why earlier in the show,

943
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: when we were focusing so much on the offense, I said,

944
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: you can't pencil anything and for the defense right now,

945
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of question marks a. Vernon by

946
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: the way, two thousand thirteen when he had double digit

947
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: SAX and his only season in his career when he

948
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: had eleven and a half. So he's had eight and

949
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: a half and sixteen for the Giants. He had seven

950
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: last year. You know, now jpps not there. We'll see

951
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: what guys like Josh Morrow and Karee Martin can do

952
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: um over from Arizona. But yeah, how they get to

953
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: the quarterback which was a major issue last year, even

954
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: with Vernon on the field, You know that to me

955
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: is somewhat of a concern. And the lost JP, Yeah,

956
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean it goes so you remove him from the equation. Listen,

957
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: whether or not he was dealing with injuries or whether

958
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: or not, you know, you've were felt strongly about him

959
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: on the field. The bottom line is he still was

960
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: the leader in that category and now you're removing him

961
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: from the equation. So somebody has to make up for

962
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: the bare minimum before you start seeing the improvement. Then, yeah,

963
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: the second there, Iman, we talked about this, and we

964
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: didn't just talk about it last year, John, We've talked

965
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: about it for must seasons and remember the Packers playoff

966
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: game DRC goes down and Aaron Rodgers says, thank you

967
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: very much, and I'm just going to attack the replacement.

968
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: So every year we've been talking about the fourth cornerback position.

969
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: It's not just the third cornerback position. I mean everybody

970
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 1: is saying themselves, well, as William Gay gonna win the slot,

971
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,479
Speaker 1: that's fine, but you then need who's the guy behind

972
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: William Game. Who's going to be the guy that replaces

973
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: Jenkins to your point, replaces Eli Apple, replaces Gay if

974
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: he goes down. That to me right now is the

975
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: looming question market. As far as the wide receiver position,

976
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: As I mentioned earlier, I think there's options. There's guys

977
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: that have been on this team, and Cody Lattimer is

978
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: somebody to watch. The reason being John he just has

979
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: not had the opportunity. Now, I'm not saying everybody should

980
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: get overly excited that he's gonna come in and all

981
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's gonna catch fifty passes, but just

982
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: go and look at how many snaps he's played for

983
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos. The max was thirty three percent of

984
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: the offensive snaps. I mean he started off he had

985
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: five percent. John, then he went to seventeen percent, you know,

986
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: and then max out of thirty three percent. That's nothing

987
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: in today's NFL. If he now is on the field more,

988
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: you figure, hey, maybe the production will go up and

989
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: all you have to do is and I think his

990
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: comparison to Dwayne Harris's valid. John. Remember remember the year

991
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: that Dwayne Harris was utilized as a wide receiver. Harris

992
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: was actually producing as Remember I have what the two

993
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: touchdowns against the Saints if I remember, and that offensive

994
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: clinic he made plays. There's no reason to think that

995
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: Cody Latimer can't be that option. But he's got to

996
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: get the reps. He's gotta be out there for the snaps.

997
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: If he's not out there, it's hard to judge what

998
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: he can do. I looked at the other day. I

999
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: don't have it off hand. I think he had six

1000
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: career starts in Denver or maybe then I was, But

1001
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: I think the snaps are more indicative, John, because even

1002
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: if you start, that doesn't mean you're gonna be on

1003
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: the field for the majority of the game. I'll look

1004
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: it up again at we we look back at it.

1005
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: I think it was a show that Paul and I did.

1006
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: I brought up the offensive snaps, and I believe thirty

1007
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: three percent was his max in one individual season during

1008
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: the course of his career with Denver, which is I mean,

1009
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: that's nothing, so it's hard to say what he could

1010
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: potentially do. But that's another reason why you can't judge

1011
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: a player based on his previous statistics, because you have

1012
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: to see what the sample size was snaps. Here we go,

1013
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: this is from Pro Football Focus. Um, he had a

1014
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: hundred and nineties snaps in two thousand and seventeen. I

1015
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: do not have the other ones in front of me

1016
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: right now, I'll look up what the percentage was, and

1017
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: then we'll be able to determine, you know, where he

1018
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: stood with respect that. Here we go, keen that many

1019
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: he did not have Toody Latimer on offense. Okay, thirty

1020
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: three percent in two thousand seventeen, which I believe was

1021
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: his max. Now I'll go back every every year right here, Okay,

1022
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen, let's see where was he two thousand sixteen. Okay,

1023
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna go down every year. I believe two thousand

1024
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 1: fifteen was in the teens, and then two thousand fourteen

1025
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: was the single digits. Two thousand fifteen sevent Okay, and

1026
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: then that just offensive snaps or is that including special team?

1027
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the offensives now, yeah, it has

1028
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: different categories off Just ask because you're right his special

1029
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: team snacks. Wil bring his numbers up, but that was

1030
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: just Novice and then two thousand fourteen Cody Lattimer. So

1031
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 1: there you go. I mean it went up every year,

1032
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: but three to thirty three percent, that's nothing for a

1033
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: third wide receiver. Jeff and Huntington's up next, what's up? Jeff? Yeah? Hi, guys, Uh,

1034
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: you know, the one constant thing, uh them that I

1035
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: look at as far as the last four or five years,

1036
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: with three different coaching and general managers and and whatnot,

1037
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: has been the c b A in the way it

1038
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: affects preseason preseason games and um U. If there's one

1039
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: constant visual that I have over the last four years

1040
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: or so, it's that when a play doesn't work, Eli

1041
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: is throwing the ball into the ground to stop it,

1042
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: to make sure. And and that was happening a lot,

1043
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: it seemed during preseason games for the most part, when

1044
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: he was in the game or uh. And my my

1045
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: concern is this that within now another new scheme being

1046
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: introduced and the limitations that the Giants as well as

1047
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: every other team probably has, but the fact that there's

1048
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: a new scheme now for four games, they have to

1049
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: evaluate new talent, they have to put in uh uh

1050
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, uh eli uh at the right time, the

1051
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: right moment at the beginning of a preseason game. I'm

1052
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: not sure how many games he would be playing, how

1053
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: much time it'll it's going to take to sort of

1054
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: really feel comfortable with it and then to get to

1055
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: the first game of the season. It always reminded me

1056
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: in years past that the Giants first regular season game

1057
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: was like the fifth preseason game, because they always looked

1058
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: flat at the beginning of the season. And that's the

1059
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: point figured it was because of the way preseason games

1060
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: were managed. So it's it's a perception. I don't have

1061
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: any numbers to back me up. It's but I've always

1062
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: noticed that the Giants always appeared flat first game. Here's

1063
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: the thing. I think it looks like that way for

1064
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: all NFL teams, and I think it takes every team

1065
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,439
Speaker 1: in the league two or three games to get going

1066
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: at the start of these years because of the structure

1067
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: of training camp. Um the preseason games like you mentioned,

1068
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: and you're off season program and the rules the c

1069
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: b A. So I think across the league the first two, three,

1070
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: four games of the year is not as good football

1071
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: wise as it is in October, November, December. Well, and

1072
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: most teams, keeping mind Jeff, are also not playing their

1073
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: starters a whole lot during the course of the preseason. So,

1074
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with you. I don't think the

1075
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: preseason has been, you know, an offensive clinic over the

1076
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: last few years. I don't know if the Giant statistically

1077
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: or any different though than most teams. I mean, maybe

1078
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: you could argue some other teams backups have been lighting

1079
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: it up because of lesser competition on the field. But

1080
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just going back to the year how

1081
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: Keen Knicks was injured, John, I mean, what he showed

1082
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: up for the final preseason game. He barely played. You know,

1083
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham got hurt last preseason and he's coming back

1084
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: from an ankle injury this year. Yeah, I mean, sometimes

1085
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: you just you don't have your full arsenal of weapons

1086
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: on the field. So you know, when you say Elie

1087
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: Man is throwing the ball away into the dirt, it's

1088
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: because you're putting them out there with the fourth of

1089
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: the fifth guy, or I mean last year, you will

1090
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: putting them out there with guys that were making the

1091
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: practice squad. So I mean, I think that's indicative. Back

1092
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: the left told me in agreement with that, and and

1093
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: it was a good thing that he did do that,

1094
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: because Elie is a smart guy. But the thing about

1095
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: it is is that there's this perception now that we're

1096
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: going to be this high wheeling offense. And the first

1097
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: game of the season, if it is any indication like

1098
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: from previous games of previous seasons, if if the Giants

1099
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: look really flat, there's gonna be a lot of talk

1100
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: about that. Well, Jeff, And and here's the bigger problem.

1101
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: Look at their opponent. They're gonna play what might have

1102
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: been the best defensive football last year in the Jacksonville Chackharse.

1103
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: So that that's gonna make any problem look even worse

1104
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: because of the opponent you're taking on. And look, did

1105
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,439
Speaker 1: Jaguars have one of the best pass rushers in the league.

1106
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: We know Saxonville right, the whole thing from last year, Um,

1107
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: they have who might be the best cover corner in

1108
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: the league. To go over Odell Beckham Jr. So that's

1109
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: in Patrick Ramsey. So that's gonna I'm sorry, um so

1110
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a really, really big time challenge. And

1111
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: Jeff and thanks for the call. I don't think there's

1112
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: really anything that you can do preparatory wise in the

1113
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: preseason to get guys ready. I mean, look, guys are

1114
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: playing what the snaps in Game three, and that's the

1115
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: maximumber snaps they'll play in preseason. They'll play a half

1116
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: in preseason Game three, play into the third, So you

1117
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: have to go from forty snaps to eighty just like that.

1118
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: So I think it takes guys a little while to

1119
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: work up to that. I think it's gonna be a

1120
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: work in progress. But it's like that for all teams.

1121
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: These offenses never come out hitting the floor running in

1122
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: week one because, like you said, it's limited playing time.

1123
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: And that was the first thing that I pointed out

1124
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 1: to the last Cohler's point. Now, his point about perception

1125
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: is that the Giants are going to light things up

1126
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: this season. Listen, John and I are not having this

1127
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: conversation to sell you on the fact that the Giants

1128
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: are going from thirty feet to top five. That's not

1129
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 1: what we're spelling out. We're just spelling out that there's

1130
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: potential on paper to see improvement. But as I said,

1131
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: I think if they get to that fifteen sixteen barometer,

1132
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: that is realistic. But you know, I don't I'm not

1133
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: want to crown a team just because of what I

1134
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: see on paper. And I'm like that pretty much with

1135
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 1: all sports, because when was the last time you saw

1136
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: the team that sparkled on paper, john and all of

1137
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: a sudden everything translated to the field. Very rarely does

1138
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: that always occur. I will say this though, if the

1139
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: Giants are not one number said put out there, if

1140
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: they're not a top fourteen offense, I'll be disappointed. Well,

1141
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: and I used top fifty because I want the top

1142
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: half of the league. You know, I look at the

1143
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: first six teams, Well, I want to be a little

1144
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: bit better than average. So that's why and and and

1145
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 1: that's why I put fourteen. I was gonna go twelve,

1146
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: but I think maybe that's asking a little bit too much,

1147
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say I want them at least uh

1148
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: in order to be satisfied, at least top four team

1149
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: for me to be happy, I would want them to

1150
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: be a top twelve offense and be in the top

1151
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: third of the league. So if they get to let's

1152
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: say twelve, then where does the defense need to be

1153
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: balance things out? Because remember the defensive rankings were just

1154
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: as low as the offense last year. You want to

1155
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: make the playoff, Yeah, to be a playoff team, if

1156
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: your offense finishes around twelve, I think your defense would

1157
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: have to probably be between fifteen and twenty. I would agree.

1158
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: I think twenty is the lowest point you're gonna go.

1159
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: I think I think you're pushing your luck at twenty.

1160
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: I've seen it done where teams could be in that

1161
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: twenty barometer make the pleasures. It's rare, but you can't

1162
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: go lower than that. You've got to be within that.

1163
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: If you're gonna be between twenty and twenty five, you

1164
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: have to be a top seven or eight offense. You

1165
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: have got to be pretty much like a top three offense.

1166
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to light up the scoreboard with hesitation.

1167
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: And that's why I think, And then when Max had

1168
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: a great question the call, that's why I think there

1169
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: are more questions on defense. Like if I had guess

1170
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: right now, I think the Giants will probably be in

1171
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: that twenties range on defense based on what I saw

1172
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: last year. Uh, their additions and their subtractions. Now, James

1173
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: Betcher in a scheme might make a big, big difference.

1174
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: Maybe Alco would you have a really huge impact. We'll see. Um.

1175
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: Of course, health has a big role in all this too.

1176
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: But that's why I think there are more questions on

1177
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: the defense. I got three calls, I got four minutes.

1178
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: Want to get everybody in. Let's go to coach Mike

1179
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: and Virginia coach Mike John and Lance I want to

1180
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about the the last couple of days,

1181
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: people have been calling in and and they seem to

1182
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: think that the Giants are gonna go eleven and five.

1183
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: I I personally think the NFC is so strong that

1184
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: the bottom has come up so much that nine and

1185
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: seven they make the playoffs this year. You know, I

1186
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: wonder whether they don't beat beat each other up is

1187
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've seen it on the high school

1188
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: level that I coached at, and I think that, like

1189
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 1: I said, the bottom has gotten so much better. I agree. Look,

1190
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think the NFC is a much

1191
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: stronger conference in the FC, right now, I don't think

1192
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of weak links in the conference. I agree.

1193
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: Does that mean they're gonna beat each other upward? Does

1194
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: that mean that these teams are so talented that they're

1195
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: gonna knock around the f C and you know, interconference

1196
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: play and that's gonna boost up their records. It's a

1197
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: good question. I think you need a minimum of ten

1198
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: wins to be in the playoffs in the end OFC

1199
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: this year, in my opinion, last year, coach Mike, you

1200
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: look at Atlanta got in with that final spot. They

1201
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: had ten wins, but Carolina was the other wild card.

1202
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: Carolina one eleven games, and that was not a tiebreaker

1203
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: at ten. By the way, they had no other team

1204
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: had tend besides Atlanta. Correct then the next best was

1205
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: Seattle and Dallas, which were battling, and they both had

1206
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: nine wins and traced down on the postseason Detroit as

1207
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: another team too. So you know, you look at the

1208
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: teams that made the playoffs last year, Philadelphia, I think

1209
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: it's just as strong, Minnesota, I think it's just as strong,

1210
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: not stronger. New Orleans, Carolina, Atlanta, I think all have

1211
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: their strengths, and the Rams are great, so I mean

1212
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: every team, Coach Mike, that made the playoffs last year,

1213
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: I think it's more than cable of being in the

1214
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: conversation of their record from two thousand seventeen. And then

1215
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 1: you take it to consideration Aaron Rodgers is coming back.

1216
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Packers only won seven games last year, so

1217
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: you know you have to take that into consideration. Dallas

1218
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: without Zeke one nine So I agree with you the

1219
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: bottom of the middle tier is competitive, but I would

1220
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: also argue that the teams at the top I don't

1221
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,479
Speaker 1: think have come down enough to say that everybody's meeting

1222
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: in the middle. Yeah, coach Mike, you could be right,

1223
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: and and your theorious sound. We get it. But in

1224
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: my opinion, I think you might have two teams with

1225
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: ten wins next year, and one of the two teams

1226
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: at ten won't end up getting in because of the typewreak. Yeah,

1227
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: what was that year the Giants won ten games and

1228
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: then missed out with It could very well be one

1229
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: of those years that I could see happening. I could

1230
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: see a nine win team from last year go to ten.

1231
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: We gotta have the tiebreaker scenario, and then a ten

1232
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: win team misses out of the playoffs, because that's how

1233
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: strong I believe the NFC is. I can see that.

1234
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: My other My other thing was the last couple of

1235
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: days again, people have been calling in and they want

1236
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: Eric Flower's gone. I mean, there's one person our team.

1237
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: I know the person is talking about. What they're failing

1238
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: to think about is how much better is Eric Flowers

1239
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: at right tackle than Bobby Heart was. The rest of

1240
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: the line has either improved or is as good as

1241
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: it was. And and whether it's Wheeler or Flowers or

1242
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: somebody they pick up, I think they're going to be

1243
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: that much stronger. You know, I don't. I really don't

1244
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: think that. You know, you you would uh not say

1245
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: that the line is considerably better because I think in

1246
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 1: some ways Flowers was the best of the worst last year.

1247
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't think he's going to hurt

1248
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: them that much. I think he is an upgrade over

1249
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: Bobby Heart. I believe that is an accurate statement. And

1250
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: I go back to one of the things Dame Bruglu

1251
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: said in your shows. I think it was for the draft.

1252
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: You know, you need some guys that are just average

1253
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: too good. They don't have to be great. On the

1254
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: No team has five studs on the offensive lot, but

1255
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: they can't kill you. You. I appreciate the call, thanks

1256
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: a lot. You can't have guys that are going to

1257
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: kill you, and that's what you need. And if Flowers

1258
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: can just be okay at right tackle and he's not

1259
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: going to kill you, that's a wind well. And if

1260
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: you don't even know who the starting right tackle right

1261
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: now is on the team, why would you even campaign

1262
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: for Eric Flowers? Regardless of what you feel about Eric

1263
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: flo As, you have an emotional reaction to something and

1264
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: you throw all logic at the window. I mean, you're

1265
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: talking about a player John that's on a rookie contract.

1266
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: They're at a ninety man roster. I don't see anyone

1267
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: that could realistically make a strong argument to tell me

1268
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: why you would part ways with a player like that

1269
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: now knowing that Chad Wheeler, who also has starting experience,

1270
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: is really his main competition at that stage. But he

1271
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: used words like realistically and strong argument. Those those things

1272
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: don't apply. You're right, too strong of a word. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to Michael long Island. He's up next. Hey, Mike, Hey,

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Speaker 1: how's what's I just wanted to talk about how it

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Speaker 1: could be easier for the Giants defense this year. I

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Speaker 1: just think it comes down to execution and what the

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Speaker 1: offense can do. I mean, you've got, in my eyes,

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Speaker 1: you've got three tiers that they could look at. Now

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Speaker 1: you've got obviously got to take Kwan in the backfield,

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Speaker 1: having Ingram, Odell and Shepherd right, get creative, spread the

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Speaker 1: ball around. Honestly, I like to compare them a lot

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Speaker 1: to like what Tom Brady can do and just make

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Speaker 1: it easier on Eli. If you make it easier on Eli,

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Speaker 1: this team can, you know, progress really well? Give the

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Speaker 1: defense a little bit more of a break than going

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Speaker 1: three and out consistently. I agree, Mike, But eventually the

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Speaker 1: defense is gonna have to get on the field and

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Speaker 1: make a stop and make stops the end of games.

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Speaker 1: And we saw this a couple years ago with Dallas,

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Speaker 1: where like, oh, they're hiding their defensive problems are thirty

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Speaker 1: and three. Oh they're gonna be great. What happens when

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Speaker 1: they faced Aaron Rodgers and the Packers in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: They couldn't stop the Packers when they needed to, And

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Speaker 1: eventually you're gonna lose football games because of that. So

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Speaker 1: the defense at some point, and I agree with your point.

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Speaker 1: It makes a lot of sense and I think it

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Speaker 1: will help, but the defense at some point is going

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Speaker 1: to have to hold their own water. Yeah, I agree

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Speaker 1: with both of you. I mean, the one thing I'll add,

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Speaker 1: Mike is you bring up in a portant point the

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Speaker 1: way for a defense to improve, just statistically is if

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Speaker 1: your offense is converting better on third down, which they

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Speaker 1: weren't last year, and you're running the football. Yes, TLP

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Speaker 1: is a big indication of maybe how consistent your defense

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Speaker 1: could be as opposed to doing this doctor Jacko Mr

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Speaker 1: Hyde routine. So you know, if that improves on offense,

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Speaker 1: you're converting on third down, you're running the football. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think your defense is bound to be more consistent,

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Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that they're all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: gonna be a lockdown unit for all sixteen games. And

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Speaker 1: I really like the addition of alc Obel Tree because

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Speaker 1: now you actually have a captain from a team that

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Speaker 1: has success from last year in the middle of this

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Speaker 1: defense now with Lannon consa top and I really think

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Speaker 1: that there will be improvement from Jenkins and Apple. I

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Speaker 1: think their heads are a little bit more on straight

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Speaker 1: and I just think they like especially more of with Apple.

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Speaker 1: I think he has the skills ht to be good.

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Speaker 1: It's just mentally his head. I just don't think it's

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Speaker 1: there all the time. And I've played so like I know,

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Speaker 1: when you're a defensive back, I think he's there with

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Speaker 1: the guys, like, but he's got to turn his head

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Speaker 1: around to make a play when when the receiver flashes

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Speaker 1: his hands the balls there, look at the flash of

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Speaker 1: the hands. I've I've learned that from my whole life.

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Speaker 1: Sintimes five is ocal college. I played for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I know that's like, that's what he needs to do.

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Speaker 1: He's a fast kid, he's aggressive, he's got you know,

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Speaker 1: he just he's just got to be mentally there. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's the coaching aspect of it. But um,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, the schedule is really hard.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if they don't get the execution done. You

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Speaker 1: you've seen the defenses of Jacksonville, Houston, the Saints who

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Speaker 1: have been a little bit better, right and then where

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Speaker 1: defenses in six in the first six games. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they have to execute and um, I'm you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: just so I expect they think I think they're going

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Speaker 1: to be a very exciting home opener. I'm gonna see

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Speaker 1: two of the best running backs. You know, obviously not

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Speaker 1: given Barkley all the credit just yet, but you know

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great matchup. So hopefully, um, the

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Speaker 1: execution is there and it just it would you know,

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Speaker 1: can lead them to good things. And I think the

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Speaker 1: the offense has has the weapons in the skill set

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Speaker 1: to get to um, you know, the offensive level that

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Speaker 1: you that you guys are talking about in terms of

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Speaker 1: like where they're going to rank. UM. To be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, I think that they could be as good

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Speaker 1: as the Rams offenses. Honestly, I really do, well, Mike,

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Speaker 1: the Rams have one of the best historic offenses in

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Speaker 1: in in football last year, and and and and thanks

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Speaker 1: to the call we're past one o'clock, we gotta run.

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Speaker 1: That would be a very very, very very nice go

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Speaker 1: of it. I'll believe it when I see it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the Rams offensive line clicked with the arrival of

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Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth, So you know, if a guy like Nate

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Speaker 1: Soldier could do that for the Giants. Look, it's not impossible, No,

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Speaker 1: it's not impossible, but there were there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that fell into place for the Rams last year.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think Sean McVeigh deserves a lot

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Speaker 1: of credit his creativity, his play calling, and also you

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Speaker 1: know the emergence of some guys who on previous teams

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Speaker 1: didn't do much of anything. I mean Robert Woods, for example,

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Speaker 1: John was a top wide receiver last season. I made

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Speaker 1: plays every single season. I mean every single game right there.

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Speaker 1: It's even Sammy Watkins was healthy and a little bit

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Speaker 1: more productive than he was in Buffalo. James, I gotta

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Speaker 1: rush you a little bit. You're a final call already

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Speaker 1: five minutes over. Go ahead, James. What's on your mind?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, I just wanted to just touch Bacebo Cuig.

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Speaker 1: I love all the calls today. I love your show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you today. You hit a lot of good points.

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Speaker 1: I just want to emphasize special teams. UM. I hope

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Speaker 1: that even though we got two different regimes to different

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Speaker 1: players and we're gonna do some house cleaning, I hope

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Speaker 1: that on the technique side, that we address those um

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Speaker 1: issues because obviously there were several games that we love

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Speaker 1: basically between ten points and less, and I think if

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Speaker 1: we can correct that fuel positions things, but that maybe

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Speaker 1: some of those games that was a lost last year,

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Speaker 1: we could probably maybe having a good chance to win

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Speaker 1: this year and maybe that would be that differential that

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Speaker 1: we need. I don't know if we can say a

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Speaker 1: playoff team, but it leaves competitive enough that we can

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Speaker 1: at leaves, you know, maybe say five hundred or something

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Speaker 1: in this difficult schedule that we have. Great. Thank you, James,

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Speaker 1: appreciate the thank you for your time, Thanks for the

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Speaker 1: phone call. Excellent. Look, you gotta execute, I know that's

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Speaker 1: the cliche of cliches, but you do. And the schedule

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Speaker 1: is really tough. There are no soft landing spots on

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Speaker 1: the schedule, folks, not a one. Even the Bears I

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Speaker 1: think will be better this year. So but we were

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Speaker 1: talking about that team earlier, about them having the potential

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Speaker 1: just like the Giants and charting the schedule. So alright, folks,

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Speaker 1: good job. Tomorrow it's Lands and Datino and then we'll

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Speaker 1: see you back here on Monday. O t S begin

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Speaker 1: will be the access and the show as well for

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Speaker 1: a Lance medal on John Schmalkill. See you next time

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Speaker 1: on Johns dot com. Everybody, have a wonderful day, have

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