1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,279 Speaker 1: I remember when I started making money. My worst purchase 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: because I didn't want to spring for Lamborghini, right, so 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: I about a fake one. 4 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. 5 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: They tried to stiff me out of the car. I 6 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: had to ask some friends who knew how to find things, 7 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: to go and find things. The car finally shows up 8 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: after two years from me of waiting. It doesn't go 9 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: into gear, nothing runs. The car is not roadworthy, so 10 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: I sent it to a shop. This is two thousand 11 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: and five. I just got the keys to that car 12 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: a week ago. 13 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 3: What all my life, grunning, all my light sacrifice, hustle 14 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 3: bed Bryson, want a slice? 15 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 4: Got the Brons all my life? 16 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 3: I be grinning all my life, all my life, running 17 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 3: all my light sacrifice. Hustle bed to Bryson one slice, 18 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 3: Doctor Bronin Geys swap all my life. 19 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 5: IOP be grinning all my life. Hello, Welcome to another 20 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 5: episode of Club Shasha. I am your host, Shannon Sharp. 21 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 5: I'm also the propriud of Club Sha. Shay the guy 22 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 5: that's stopping by conversation on a drink today. It's one 23 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 5: of the greatest and most popular wrestlers of all time. 24 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 5: He's been a WWE megastar for over twenty years. He's 25 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 5: currently tied with Rick Flair for the most championships in 26 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 5: professional wrestling history at sixteen. He's a platinum selling rapper 27 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 5: or international superstar, New York Times bestselling author, multi faceted entertainer, 28 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 5: one of Hollywood's biggest stars, a living legend, pop icon, 29 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 5: idle to millions, A dedicated philanthropist. He holds the Guinness 30 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 5: World Record for the number of wish is granted to 31 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 5: make a wish children, a national treasure, a fan favorite, 32 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 5: a household name. I think he's here, but maybe he isn't. 33 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: John Cena, Oh, are you're the top that just saying, oh, 34 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: thank you so much for the introduction. 35 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 2: Man, thanks for having me. 36 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 5: You know, I have my own kanyac bro, and what 37 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 5: you've been able to do, and we're gonna talk a 38 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 5: little bit about it. I like to toash your career. 39 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 5: I don't know if you drink or not, but this 40 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 5: is my Kanyac. It's called shay by Laportier. It's a vsop. 41 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: Very nice. 42 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: Well, I will toast with you. Time is our most 43 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: valuable asset. Thank you for yours today. Thank you, Bro, 44 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: appreciate you and enjoying. I'm gonna make the most out 45 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: of this. I'm gonna keep this. 46 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 5: We're gonna give you your own bottle. So I appreciate 47 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 5: your stopping. 48 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 2: Bay. Let's get right into it, bro sports. 49 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 5: I mean, obviously, to be able to be a professional wrestler, 50 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 5: you have to be athletic to do all those moves. 51 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: Were you a sports Were you athletic? Were you into 52 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: sports when you grew up? 53 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: I played baseball as a young kid. I transitioned to 54 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: football at about age fifteen. I played at a Division 55 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: III school in college, and I was an offensive lineman. 56 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 1: And you can see why I played only Division three. 57 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: You've been to the mountaintop. Offensive linemen are a little 58 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: bit different, a little bigger. I loved the game, but 59 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: I also had great perspective of the type of athlete 60 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: that needs to be a professional. 61 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: So I had fun in college. 62 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm very thankful for my time in teammates, but it 63 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: was a chapter that needed to be close. 64 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: Did you wrestle in high school? Never? Nope, I was. 65 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: I always grew up a fan of professional wrestling, okay, 66 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: and I think that helped because amateur and wwere sports entertainment, 67 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: two very different totally different. Yeah, and just because you're 68 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: because you're a good professional. He doesn't mean you're a 69 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: good amateur. Just because you're a good amateur, do now, 70 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: I mean you're a good professional. 71 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: Right. 72 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 5: Well, we see Brock Lisner, Yeah, he was in the WFB. 73 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 5: We also saw him go to the UFC and he 74 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 5: tried you know, NFL football. 75 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 2: Did you ever think. 76 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 5: About trying out for NFL football or you just realized, like, 77 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 5: you know what? 78 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: So? 79 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: I think in Brock's case, Brock is one of the 80 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: most gifted, hardest working, perseverant, stubborn sons of bitches I 81 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: ever met. But I honestly think physically he could do 82 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: whatever he puts his mind to. 83 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: Right. 84 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: It's also because he's six ' four three hundred plus, right, 85 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: so it was a natural transition. He's also an NCAA 86 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: national champion multiple times. He knew body awareness to put 87 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: him in the trenches. That's a natural transition. Okay, I 88 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: am six feet two hundred and thirty pounds. If you 89 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: were to put me in the trenches, I would get 90 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: my fucking app What about running back? So you also 91 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: have to be a good running back just because of 92 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: your frame. It's like, oh, your height and weight matchup. 93 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: Let's time you're forty still going huh? 94 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: You know? 95 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: So it's it's a lot of things have to line up. 96 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: And I think Rock is a physical anomaly. And I'm 97 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: glad he found his home with the WWE because he's fantastic. 98 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: But I think he could put do whatever he really 99 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: wanted to. 100 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 5: Is it true that you were bullied as a kid 101 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 5: and you started working out? Did like get away from it? 102 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: I am that comic strip or the comic in the 103 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: back of the in the comic. Yes, so scrawny kid, yeah, 104 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: who eventually found physical fitness as a way of getting 105 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: people not to bother you. It wasn't get big so 106 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: I could fight these people. It was get big so 107 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: I could give the vibe of like, oh I don't 108 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: want to mess with that guy, kind of my own 109 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: alarm system. And it worked. But it also introduced me 110 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: to sport. I found physical training at around age twelve 111 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: and then saw the games at about age fifteen, right 112 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: when coaches were like, hey kid, you want to try football? Sure, okay, 113 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: And none of my peers. It wasn't like it is today. 114 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: Strength training in like the nineties. It was almost like hey, 115 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: don't lift weights. You don't want to mess up your 116 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: baseball swing or your basketball sure, like it was almost 117 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: a taboo, But I found a home in football, and 118 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: I found team sports to be very gratifying being a 119 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: member of a team. Finally, you know, I grew up 120 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: with five five brothers, so it was kind of like 121 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: I had that family vibe around me. I was able 122 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: to make social connections. And you know what it's like 123 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: to be on a winning team. It feels great, and 124 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: you also knows what it likes to be on a 125 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: losing team. You know, you carry the burden with each other. 126 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: So I was I was very grateful that something that 127 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: started out as a way to defend myself, it's been 128 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: such a gateway to so many opportunities in life. 129 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 5: Proud of you working out. I read you were like 130 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 5: a sprawny kid. You're weighed like one hundred and fifty 131 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 5: five pounds, and you started working out and you go 132 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 5: to two. So we're proud of you working out. Did 133 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 5: anyone ask you to participate in sports? Did you want 134 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 5: to participate in sports before you started working out? 135 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: I grew up in a small town where your first 136 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: chance to play football started at fifteen. 137 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 2: We didn't have any youth football. 138 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: Oh, there wasn't much popularity of soccer or real football 139 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: as the Europeans call it. There was pretty much a 140 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: little league baseball. So I played the little league baseball. 141 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: I started late. Most kids would play at like six. 142 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: I started at ten, and I just liked the team 143 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: aspect of it. So I wasn't good at all, but 144 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: I was enthusiastic, okay, and football was something that my 145 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: skill matched my enthusiasm. 146 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 5: So did you think about playing baseball? Did you play 147 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 5: baseball in high school? Or did you just gave it? 148 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: I did, and I remember vividly the day I stopped 149 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: playing baseball. I worked out before practice, and I was, 150 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: to the coach's credit, I was two minutes late to practice, 151 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: but it was because I had a last period of class, 152 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: got to work out in and then ran my ass 153 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: to practice and the coach. 154 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: I remember it. 155 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: I was a sophomore, and the coach said, you're gonna 156 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: have to choose between playing baseball or working out, and 157 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: I gave him my hat in my uniform. I said, 158 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: it's been it's been fun, So you chose working out? 159 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 5: She was working out, so what, so what did you, 160 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 5: what did you want to do when you're in high school? 161 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 5: You grew up in this small town. You used to like, okay, 162 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 5: we can only play we start playing football. At fifteen, 163 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 5: you just giving up baseball because you wanted to work out. 164 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: So what did you want to do? 165 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: You know, I just wanted to do things I enjoyed, 166 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: and I like, I think the north star of my 167 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: life is like not having a plan. Okay, what do 168 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: you enjoy doing in your time off? 169 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: Nothing? Not donna get much time. 170 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: Off though, Okay, but I also bet that's by choice, Yeah, 171 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: because you like to keep yourself busy, and hopefully it's 172 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: the things you're passionate about. 173 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 5: But a lot of times, John, the things that we 174 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 5: like to do don't pay a whole lot of money. 175 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: So neither but neither did working out. And as a 176 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: fifteen year old, I really wasn't trying to find an 177 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: angle to make working out make make money. 178 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: I just knew I liked work. You just enjoyed it. 179 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 5: Yeah right, yeah, but I did read you you had 180 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 5: some very odd jobs. Yeah, growing up, you would like 181 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:08,679 Speaker 5: a memo driver. 182 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: I was. 183 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: I was an assistant greenskeeper at a golf course. I 184 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: was a counselor at a summer camp. I've been security 185 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: for bars. I've worked student security at Springfield College. I 186 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: got to wear a neon jacket and have people ridicule 187 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: me around campus and working parking lots. 188 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: I've done my fair share of odd jobs. 189 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 5: When did you develop this knack to be so great 190 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 5: at public speaking? 191 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: I think, as with anything, you learn fluency through failure, 192 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: And I think it was me always probably trying to 193 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: stand out with my brothers and getting made fun a 194 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: lot for it, and then trying to find my social 195 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: circle in life as a young man and getting made 196 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: fun of for it. So I think it's the courage 197 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,119 Speaker 1: to be brash and be embarrassed. 198 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 5: Right, So I read you moved, you come to lay 199 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 5: Venice Beach and you wanted to be a bodybuilder? Correct, Yes, 200 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 5: so Arnold's clearly so Arnoldood. You probably saw what was 201 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 5: the movie? 202 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: He was there? 203 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 5: Of course you wanted you saw that. He's like, you 204 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 5: know what, I think I can do that. I think 205 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 5: Arnold's about six foot tall, probably way the same I 206 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 5: get the pump. 207 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: Hey, maybe a time my forty over there. Now you 208 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 2: don't have to run on stage reposing trunks and I 209 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 2: did some local shows in New England and placed quite well. 210 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: And just like playing football at Springfield College, the first 211 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: day I stepped down the field at Springfield, I knew like, 212 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: oh I I will have a career here and that's 213 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: where it will end. 214 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 2: Okay. 215 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: I was doing well in New England. I'm like, yeah, 216 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: I'll give it a try. The first day I stepped 217 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 1: into golds Venice and did one of these like, oh, 218 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: this is gonna be a hobby. Okay, that's it. This 219 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: is gonna be a hobby. So there are guys that 220 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: are my weight but they're five foot four. Okay, that's yeah, 221 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: this is gonna be a hobby. Right, yeah, because you're real. 222 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 5: And the thing that I tell people all everybody looks 223 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 5: good when they're by themselves, but when you go stand 224 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 5: next to somebody else did do this, and it's just 225 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 5: as serious, if not more serious than you, you realize. 226 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 2: You come to the realization like you know what. 227 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: Well, Also you know that that's a great perspective and 228 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: you can be you can be so dedicated in something 229 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: in life and give your absolute best. But when something 230 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: has a window of popularity and a lot of people 231 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: know about it, the one percent. The people who identify 232 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: early on their talent strengths and gifts maybe have genetics 233 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: for it, and then those talent strengths and gifts and 234 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: their gene pool are nurtured in a ten thousand hours 235 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: of practice, those are going to be the people who 236 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: make money off it. Do yes, Yes, It doesn't mean 237 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: that I don't work as hard as the next guy, 238 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,599 Speaker 1: doesn't mean we're not squatting the same or whatever. It 239 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: just comes down to, like, there's a reason you played 240 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: in the NFL. I could practice the exact same amount 241 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: of minutes. I just I'm just not made for it, right, 242 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Right, So that's that when 243 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: you can when you take take a hobby or a 244 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: passion or a pastime and make it a vocation, there 245 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: has to be a little bit of luck. There has 246 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: to be a lot of hard work, a little bit 247 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: of magic dust in there as well. 248 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 5: But one thing that bodybuilding will teach you is discipline. 249 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 5: Because if you're not disciplined with your eating, you're not 250 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 5: disciplined with your training, sure you can't be successful. And 251 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 5: it's hard to be successful at anything if you're not disciplined. 252 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 5: I don't care how much talent a person has. Yeah, 253 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 5: discipline is the overriding key to success. 254 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: I agree with you one hundred percent on that, and 255 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: I'm what I'm very grateful for in my journey is 256 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: the individual discipline I had with bodybuilding physical fitness, mixed 257 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: with the team building discipline of show up for practice 258 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: on time, don't let your teammates down. So I got 259 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: to learn how to take care of myself. Hey, if 260 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: you don't time your food, or if you don't get 261 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: enough rest, if you don't train, you're gonna suck. Mixed 262 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: with you got to work well with others. Bodybuilding is 263 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: an individual sport and sometimes a very egocentric sport, and 264 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: sometimes you can get really talented bodybuilders or people interested 265 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: in physical fitness that don't have the ability to work 266 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: with others. 267 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: I'm very grateful. 268 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: In my life to have both the experience of team 269 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: building exercise and team building discipline and individuals. 270 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 5: So, now, okay, bodybuilding is not the answer. Clearly you 271 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 5: know football is not going to be the answer. You 272 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 5: had been given up on baseball. So now what you 273 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 5: take some odd job? You limo driver, you're a janitor, 274 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 5: you do all these your voice actors So when did 275 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 5: you decide to say, you know what, maybe pro wrestling, 276 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 5: maybe acting? When did you come to that conclusion this 277 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 5: was going to be John Cena's path. So the wrestling 278 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 5: thing happened by accident. 279 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: And I think as we just as we get thank 280 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: you very much for all these questions as I discuss 281 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: what do I want to do with my life? Okay, 282 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: I think the most important message I could tell people 283 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: out there is that you don't have to figure it 284 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: out right away. I graduated from college and tried to 285 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: apply my degree, my physical attributes, and what I was 286 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: passionate about to make money. So when all this stuff 287 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: started to fail, I began to be like, Okay, I'm disciplined. 288 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: I can show up to work on time. Don't mind 289 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: wearing a uniform, don't mind be part of a team. 290 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: I'll take the California Highway Patrol exam. I'll be a cop. 291 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: Failed that son of a bitch. So that's and as 292 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: a young man, I'm like, man, I don't have many 293 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: options that I think the work would be passionate about 294 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: every day. I may be the military. I say that 295 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: in the utmost respect, I was a morning person. I'd 296 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: love to push my body beyond its capabilities. Yes, I 297 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: love when the team wins. I want to be in 298 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: a pool of people that I'm not the smartest person 299 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: in the room. Love a uniform, get to travel the world, 300 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: don't ever have to worry about pay. Like, there's so 301 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: many pluses to the military, And those were as a 302 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: young man. Those are people I grew up idolizing. So 303 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'll go join the Marines. And 304 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: the weekend I was going to go from Los Angeles 305 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: to San Diego to go join, my buddy was like, hey, man, 306 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: you know we're training to be wrestlers down in Orange County. 307 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: You want to try it out before you go. You 308 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: can do wrestling, Like I didn't know there was a school. 309 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know about it. It's a very secret. And 310 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: when we went down to see it, that's when it 311 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this is going to be my new hobby. 312 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: I would work those odd jobs so I could do 313 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: bodybuilding shows. I would work those odd jobs so I 314 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: could run speed camps to play football. Now I had 315 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: a reason to work my odd jobs to do this 316 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: hobby on the weekends. It's like many people have a 317 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: job and they can't wait for weekends on the boat. 318 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: My brother is the one I always used loves to 319 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: work his job so he can spend weekends on the boat. 320 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: The job is a way to do the thing that 321 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: he loves. So it wasn't necessarily. I didn't do it 322 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: to be like this is how I'm going to make money. 323 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: It was like, yo, I love this. I'm going to 324 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: make money doing the shitty work so I could have 325 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: fun dressing up doing whe for here on the weekends. 326 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I almost the same thing happened to me. 327 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 5: I almost joined the military also, and then my brother 328 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 5: came and talked me out of I was going to 329 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 5: join the Air Force and then I was going to 330 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 5: take the exam. He came home from college said, look, 331 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 5: go to Savannah State. And if you don't like it, 332 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 5: say I went to school for a year. You didn't 333 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 5: like it. It went for me, go to you know, hey, 334 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 5: I went to Savannah State for a year. And we 335 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 5: know how that turned. We know how it turned that 336 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 5: for me. Yeah, but I think something, you know, like 337 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 5: like you said, when something is for you, when God 338 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 5: has a plan. 339 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: For you, you. 340 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 5: Might take a lot of different paths past, but eventually 341 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 5: you're going to get on the right track and it's 342 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 5: gonna find you. 343 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: And I also that I agree with that, And I 344 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: also want to say that sometimes you have to be 345 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: brave enough to recognize when, yes, when life puts an 346 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: opportunity in front of you, even though I had a 347 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: plan and was like, Yo, this is the safest way forward, 348 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: an opportunity was put in front of me. 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See terms at DraftKings dot com slash dfass. 382 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: Since you were. 383 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 5: Limbo driver, let's just say, for the sake of argument, 384 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 5: there were lifts, There were uber and lyfts back then. 385 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: What type of driver woul John c will be the 386 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 2: fucking worst. 387 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: So this was pre navigation, but not even the stick 388 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: on the windshield Magellan unit pre navigation. 389 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 2: The meat is nineties. 390 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: So yes, cell phones with mostly car phones and the 391 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: fees for a call or like twenty five bucks a call. 392 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: You absolutely right. 393 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: I have a Randall McNally map in my shotgun seat 394 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: along with tuna, rice and chicken. And I'm in a 395 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: town car, not a limo. That's how emails all Oh 396 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 1: my god, and I'm the byproduct of eating all that. 397 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: So combine everything. Yeah, the story tells itself. I'm from 398 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: West Newbery, which is not Boston. It is a small 399 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: town way outside of Boston. In my childhood life, I've 400 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: only been on one highway, Route ninety five, So in 401 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: my mind all roads lead to Route ninety five. 402 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 2: Right. 403 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: I would pick people up for their flights like three 404 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: hours late what because I didn't know where the fuck 405 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: I was going. And now, as a traveler, if I 406 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: booked a car, and I'm always you know, if I 407 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: got to go at ten, I'm going to book it 408 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: to be there at seven, right, because I want to 409 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: make sure it's there early. But man, I feel for 410 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: those traveling. I got called every name in the book. 411 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: I could barely get to the airport. I didn't know 412 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: how to get people home. And the last thing you 413 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: want to do after a long trip, you know, I'm 414 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: finally going to keep my front door. And then you 415 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: get in a car with a driver from hell. Where 416 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: the car stinks. It's probably things like farts and tunea. 417 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: He doesn't know where he's going. It's this huge, hulking 418 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: guy in a town gar right. 419 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 2: I think we're going the right way. I was the worst. 420 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 2: I didn't last too long in that job. 421 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 5: I read it. You're also homeless. So what was your 422 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 5: what was your lowest moment before you finally did had 423 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 5: some success? 424 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: What was your lowest moment? John, So, I also want 425 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 1: to put some contacts. Okay, but I was homeless by choice. Okay, 426 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of people are struggling with 427 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: the inability to choose. My dad is fantastic and always 428 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: has been great to all of his sons, and he's 429 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: always been like, hey, you always got a roof over 430 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: your head. You can always come home. But he also 431 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: told me as I left for California from the mean 432 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: street of West Newbury. You'll never make it. You'll be 433 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: back in two weeks. So I don't know if he's 434 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: a genius or he's just an asshole, right, but it worked. 435 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: I didn't want to come home. He put pressure on you. 436 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: So when all of my plans failed and all my 437 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: resources were dwindling again, I had a choice do I stay? 438 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: And if I stay, this is going to be the 439 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: roof over my head for a while. But I loved it. 440 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: Like my parked my car in the parking lot of 441 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: gold gym, slept in the back, worked at the gym, 442 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: so the gym was open at four, I'd go shower, 443 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: use the locker room, clock into work. On my break, 444 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: I'd work out the protein bar. Places where I worked, 445 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: I get a discount in all my supplements every once 446 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: in a while, a five figure a discount. Thank you 447 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: Nutrition Club stores. I was well fed, I got enough rest, 448 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: and I was happy. And it was it was by choice, 449 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: and it's this is a very fortunate story of being 450 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: without a physical mailbox by choice. So I don't regret 451 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: those days. And again it was something that I think 452 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: the struggle is a lot more entertaining when you want 453 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: to do it, you know, a tough practice is more 454 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 1: rewarding when you know you're it's this is the work 455 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: I got to do to get the goal. And it 456 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: was just one of those cases you had. So with 457 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: that situation you had, you have very limited overhead. 458 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: I did, I did. 459 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: I was the company was operating at a loss and 460 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,719 Speaker 1: we were paying some heavy interest to the credit cardhold 461 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: was at that point. 462 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so when when did you When did your break come? 463 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 3: Uh? 464 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: When when the w w E called It was then 465 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: the w w F and said we would like it 466 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: to give you a contract. And that was when I 467 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: went from working on the weekends or working during the 468 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: week to dressing up on the weekends to being a professional. 469 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: It was a break. But my contract was for twe 470 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars a year what and my rent was 471 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: for twelve thousand dollars of nos it was for my 472 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: rent was twelve hundred dollars a month. So I quit 473 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: my job immediately to become a professional. I was already 474 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: operating at a loss. But the good thing about credit 475 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 1: cards is they'll mail you more opportunities to get more 476 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: credit cards. So I was just like, yeah, I'll just 477 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: take more of the plastic pieces that get me free 478 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: food and all that this is gonna be great. So 479 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: I bet on myself, and I knew that I couldn't 480 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: juggle things. If I was going to do this, I 481 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: was going to do it fully focused and wholeheartedly, and 482 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: if I lost, I would fall. It would be by 483 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: my own choices. So I quit my job. I was 484 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: upside down on a lot of bills and upside down 485 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: on rent and stuff. But I got to go to 486 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: every practice. I got to gain fluency really quick because 487 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: I mashed in my ten thousand hours me a small break, 488 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: but a break nonetheless. And then about nine months after that, 489 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: they moved me to Middle America and I started wrestling 490 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: in Kentuckyana for Ohio Valley Wrestling. And then about a 491 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: year later, by accident, I got on TV. 492 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: You got called up to the big time? Yeah, what 493 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 2: was that moment? 494 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 5: I mean, you mentioned a situation John that your dad 495 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 5: like he was very proud of his five boys. You 496 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 5: guys had done a lot. I'm sure he was proud 497 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 5: of you, but he said that when you decided that 498 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 5: you were gonna move to California, He's like, you're not 499 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 5: gonna make it when you had made it did you 500 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 5: call him and say, Dad, I made it? 501 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: You know what? No? 502 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: And I still I'm really working hard, and thank you 503 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: very much for asking. I'm really working hard on building 504 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: a great relationship with my dad. He just turned eighty 505 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: and I love him and we're starting to like dive 506 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: into those moments. I can't wait to find out the 507 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: answer to that question because I'm so happy with where 508 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: we are. I think for so long I wanted him 509 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: to call me like, Yo, you made it. But I 510 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: still don't know if he was withholding his at a boy, 511 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: so I kept going for some reason to maybe one 512 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: get it at the last moment, I don't know. The 513 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: point is I've been able to work on self and 514 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: let go of the need for his approval, which has 515 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: been awesome because now we can just live as men 516 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 1: and as peers and talk about our own life. I 517 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: cannot wait to hear my dad's answer to that question. 518 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: But I don't ever I don't ever believe in making it. 519 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: I don't ever believe someone has made it. I believe 520 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: you can close chapters in your life, and I believe 521 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: that there are instances where it's time to move on. 522 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: But in my perspective, It's like I try never to 523 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: use the word deserve. I prefer earned, because what what 524 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: the hell do I deserve? 525 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: You know? 526 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: I wake up every day, that's fantastic. And I try 527 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: to earn the right to wake up every day. So 528 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I'm worried that if I 529 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: ever say to myself I've made it, I will become 530 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: complacent in life. And I don't mean like not make 531 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: a paycheck, right, I mean like not be curious about life. 532 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: I even coming into this place, like Wow, this place 533 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: is so great, and I'm curious about the wallpaper and 534 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: the fire and what this podcast is going to be. 535 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: I don't ever want to lose that. You know, when 536 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: you these are dude, this is great. 537 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 5: When you when you left home and you said, okay, 538 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 5: you and your dad have the relationship. You're not trying 539 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 5: to recapture what was lost. You're just trying to move 540 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 5: on from this point and move forward. 541 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: Man. That's a crazy thing about time. You can't you 542 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: can't fix for what has happened. Yeah, And I think 543 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: when you can get to a point to be like 544 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: in let's say, in forgiving my dad first, I got 545 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: to forgive myself, Yes, and I gotta be okay with myself. 546 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: And I think when you get to that point and 547 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: you're like, oh man, you more than likely although through 548 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: my eyes it looked like this was bad for me, 549 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: more than likely you were. I I know you, I've 550 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: known you for forty seven years. You more than likely 551 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: were trying to do the best you could as a parent. 552 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: I can't fault you for that, Bud. So what do 553 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: we do now. Let's have a drink, Let's have a cigar, 554 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: and hey, what was your college life? Like, what's the 555 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: craziest thing you've ever done? What's the worst thing I've 556 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: ever done to you? Stuff like that's going on now. 557 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 5: Most of the time, John, people parent as that they 558 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 5: were parented, And so maybe that's how his day gave 559 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 5: him tough Your grandfather gave your dad tough love. But 560 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 5: you say something very interesting. My grandma used to always 561 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 5: tell me all the time. She say, son, that could 562 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 5: never be freedom. 563 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: What I forgive this. 564 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: I'm a strong advocate of that, and that's the first 565 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: time I've heard it. I think once you get to 566 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: the ability where you can genuinely forgive, that doesn't mean 567 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: you need to forget. No, when you can forgive you 568 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: literally free yourself of whatever the burden is that's on 569 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: your shoulders. That's very profound. I'm a believer. 570 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 5: Forgiveness is not for the person that you feel. And 571 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 5: I don't know if you feel this, and I'm just 572 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 5: saying for context here. Forgiveness is not for the person 573 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 5: that you feel that have wronged you. Forgiveness is for you, yes, 574 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 5: because you're the one your feelings, your emotions are being 575 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 5: held hostage. They're living their life. They might not even 576 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 5: know that you're. 577 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:10,719 Speaker 2: They might not even know. 578 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: Like again, I can't wait to have this conversation with 579 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: my dad. Do you know what I've been looking for 580 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: a good job for like thirty years. 581 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 2: I never knew. Dude. 582 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: It's one of those things where because we are at 583 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: times uncomfortable talking about our feelings, we don't talk about stuff. 584 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 2: So how can someone know? You know, they're probably just 585 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 2: trying to do the best I can. You are a rapper. 586 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 5: You sold one hundred and forty thousand copies, your first 587 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 5: week debuted at number fifteen on the Billboard two hundred. 588 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 5: But that album is going platinum one point three million 589 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 5: copies to this day. Did you think? Come on, did 590 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 5: you think that was possible. 591 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: There's nothing about the current state of being. Yeah, you 592 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 2: extract me as m and el No, but this is 593 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 2: what I will say, super passionate about hip hop. 594 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: Hip hop. That was why I was bullied. As a 595 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: callback to the story, because in white, small town West Newbery, 596 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: you wore jeans, shit kicking boots, you drove a pickup truck, 597 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: and you listen to country music or rock music. Okay, 598 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: I had a high top fade. I wore rayon, Polka dots, 599 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: wingtips or Adidas. I had airbrush overalls. I wore that 600 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: shit backwards. Like, rap music found me, and it was 601 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: rapped and it wasn't hip hop, and it evolved to 602 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: hip hop. But rap music found me because it was rebellious. 603 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: To keep in mind, I was one of five boys 604 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: and I didn't like like I had a lot of 605 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: angst with how the household was being runt. I was 606 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: a rebel. That music found me at the right time. 607 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: So even though a song like fuck the Police might 608 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: have been an anthem for the state of the social 609 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: well being in south central Los Angeles to a thirteen 610 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: year old kid, the police were my parents, and it 611 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: was like it was me Fuck that and it grab 612 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 1: a hold, like it really spoke to me just the 613 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: way the music was, and in the rebelliousness, I also 614 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: caught all other rap music, Like I would listen to 615 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: Kwame and I would listen to rock Him and Nas 616 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: and the Beastie Boys and my first CDs with the 617 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: Beastie Boys and the Fat Boys and like Cool Mode, 618 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: and the list goes on and on, like it was 619 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: a part of me. And when I got to showcase 620 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: that on television, it resonated with the audience. So again 621 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: this was life putting an opportunity in my laugh. I'm like, hey, great, 622 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: I'm connecting with the audience. I can keep my job 623 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: that I love, and maybe I can make better music 624 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: than the stock rap music that they're making for me 625 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: in Connecticut because at the time WW is a rock 626 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: and roll company, they didn't have any depth of field 627 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: or hip hop. And I listened to my own music 628 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: being like, I could do better than this. It wasn't 629 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: how do I measure up against eminem I think if 630 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: it was the case, I never would have an album, right, 631 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: But it was like, yo, I can do better than this. 632 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: Called up a friend who knew a friend who had 633 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: a studio, we got some beats. 634 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: And we made an album. 635 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: Wow, and that was it. That was it, And it 636 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: never once was it like, how is this going to 637 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: measure up? It was simply the current product that I have. 638 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: I can do better than that, right, So as far 639 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: as that I measure up better than that, you did 640 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: better than that. 641 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 5: So let's just see where it goes. So when it 642 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 5: comes at. So now you're an athlete, you're a rapper, 643 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 5: give me your top three athlete rappers. You get Shock Time, 644 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 5: which is Dion Sanders, Roy Jones Jr. Dame Lillard, Master 645 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 5: p Kobe. You only get. 646 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 2: Three Master, Pea, Kobe, and Shock. Okay. 647 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Shack's got skills. Man, I think Carporol karaoke with him. 648 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: Oh you can flow, he can still flow? 649 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah for sure. Yeah Yeah he's good. Yeah, he 650 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: got a get hit. So I he's got doctorate. He's smart. 651 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 5: So give me your Mott Rushmore, your all, your favorite, 652 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 5: your greatest, who you think the greatest four rappers are 653 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 5: in the history. 654 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: So for me, Jay z eminem Nas and Rock Him 655 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: Wow and uh Man, Rock Kim's voice and I like, 656 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: like I'm I'm Everyone has their bias and I know 657 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: that list is obviously going to incite riots. We all 658 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: have our bias, we all have our favorites. That's what 659 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: makes music spec that's what makes creativity. 660 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 2: I was brought up. 661 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: In like the East Coast boom bab I love I 662 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: love wordplay, I love poetry. That's what I based my 663 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: character on. So I think all that's super clever and 664 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: those are That's that's my list. 665 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 5: So when when John and my driving around his car, 666 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 5: who are you listening to today? 667 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: I have come a long way, you know, I'm not. 668 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: I'm no longer a bodybuilder. I just want to preface that. Okay, 669 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: sometimes chapters can close. I'm gonna retire this year from wrestling. 670 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: That chapter is gonna close. I listen to nothing. 671 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 2: Really. 672 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: I am a huge car guy, so when I get 673 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: to drive, it's kind of my chance to meet it. 674 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: I always try to drive something manual with a stick shift, 675 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: and I always just listened to. 676 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:05,959 Speaker 2: The car man. Really. 677 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that could be like I had one rare 678 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: day off and you mentioned that there's a rare I 679 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: think we work in the same dimension. Yes, I drove 680 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: around the state of Florida just for shits and giggles. 681 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: I did eight hundred and eighty miles. I left my 682 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: house in Tampa, went to Orlando, went around the thumb, 683 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: went back up, went back down, And as soon as 684 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: I pulled in my garage, I'm like, WHOA, eight hund 685 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: eighty miles. 686 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: Not too bad. 687 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 5: So you just got in a car one day and 688 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 5: I was like, you know what, Hey, I'm gonna do this. 689 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 690 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: I haven't driven in a while, I haven't taken a 691 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: trip in a while. I want to be And not 692 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: once did I turn on the radio. I left at 693 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: four thirty in the morning. I pulled in my garage 694 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: at ten thirty at night. Stopped for like three or 695 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: four cars. I love little coffee shops right, stopped for 696 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: like three or four coffees on the way. Did you 697 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: talk to anybody? Did you turn the phone out at 698 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: the coffee shops? Talk to people in the car? Not 699 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: one phone call, not one text phones in the backseat, 700 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: power off, and it was it's like my way to meditate, 701 00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: So what. 702 00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 2: Do I listen to the car. 703 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 5: There was a big rap battle going on this summer. Yes, 704 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 5: Kendrick Lamar yes, and Drake Yes? 705 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 2: Who won? 706 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: I know nothing about this. You don't know anything. All 707 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: I know is the headlines. I'm the one person, the 708 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: one breathing human being who did not hear. 709 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 2: Bar one of this. I haven't heard any music and 710 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 2: he tracks nothing, So this is all new to me. 711 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 2: Who won? Who won? And why? Man? They you started 712 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 2: it out. I was like, man, I love this guy, but. 713 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 5: Just just on pure, just play Drake. They play it 714 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 5: all the time. If there's not gonna be a game, 715 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 5: a football game, a basketball game, or anything that you 716 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 5: go to where the home team is winning, where you're 717 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 5: not going to hear it. 718 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 2: They're not like us. 719 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 5: I mean, excuse me, Kendred Lamar, Yes, kendreck one, Okay, 720 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 5: so because just I mean, it's the most is the 721 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 5: most played this in history already. I think it's done. 722 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 5: It's the biggest song this summer. 723 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: I need to check this. I've been living in under 724 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: a rock. I need to check this out. Yeah, all right, 725 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar, right of. 726 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 5: Your current rappers go on the list. You know you've 727 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 5: got Kendrick Lamar, you got Drake. I mean you got 728 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 5: these young you know, so, I five babies. 729 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: I kind of a little big I kind of drifted 730 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: away from hip hop right around Drake and I think 731 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: I always thought Drake was extremely talented. Again, I love wordplay. 732 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: I think he's his stuff is very well thought out. 733 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: I think he's very poetic. I like the way he 734 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: adds music into the songs, like I don't. I don't 735 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: have enough depth of field to evaluate anybody current. He 736 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: was like the last one where it becomes fade to 737 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: fade to nothingness. 738 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 2: Right. 739 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 5: Well, you mentioned it earlier. This is your final year 740 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 5: in w W. Is that twenty twenty five? Yeah, And 741 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 5: so when you look at farewell, I mean Kobe got 742 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 5: a farewell, Kareem got a farewell. I mean everybody was 743 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 5: waiting for Lebron to get his farewell. I think the 744 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 5: thing is Tom Brady didn't get that because we didn't 745 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 5: really know Tom was going to retire. He just like, okay, 746 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 5: I'm done. Now what do you hope? What do you 747 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 5: want your farewell? What do you want the lasting memories 748 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 5: of your last year in the WWE? 749 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 2: What do you want that to be? 750 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: That's a great question. Personally, I would like to just 751 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 1: want it to be worth it. And I don't mean 752 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: that I won't get value from it. I'll enjoy every second. 753 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: I just want to justify it like I hope. I 754 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: hope it is good for WWE business. I hope it 755 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 1: continues to build the future of the brand and company. 756 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: I hope that the events are satisfying for the audiences. 757 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: From an audience perspective, I hope everyone can come to 758 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: these events and either relive memories they might have had 759 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: over the past twenty three years or make new memories. 760 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: Because there's a whole new generation of superstars out there. 761 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,919 Speaker 1: So if a young kid who is all he's seen 762 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: in programming is maybe Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes, if 763 00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 1: his dad brings them in and be like, hey, son, 764 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: you know ten years ago this was the guy right 765 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: and look at him like he can still go like 766 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 1: this is my guy, and the son's like, no, this 767 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: is my guy. I've heard so many stories from families 768 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,240 Speaker 1: about like, hey, one time my dad took me to wrestling. 769 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: We watched you. Now I'm a grown man, and I 770 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: realized that that was my way of my dad bonding 771 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: with me. 772 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 2: Thank you for that. 773 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 1: So like, if the tour can do that, that's awesome. 774 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: And I don't see you have a zero percent chance 775 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: of doing that if you just say I'm done. We're 776 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: not pure sport. The benefit of what we do is 777 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: we're sports entertainment. So I can be like, ah, you 778 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: know that the body doesn't feel I have a choice. 779 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 2: I could. 780 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: I could hang around for another ten years and do 781 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,479 Speaker 1: like a match a year and maybe progressively get worse 782 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: with my skill set, or take an honest look at 783 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,760 Speaker 1: myself and be like I can do like thirty forty 784 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: dates this year. Make it a thing, Tell everybody this 785 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: is it which it is, be able to close the 786 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: chapter in my life, move on to things that I'm 787 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: curious and enthusiastic about, and hopefully create some moments and 788 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: let people take away from it whatever they want. I 789 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: just I want it to be worth it. What would 790 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: it mean for you? 791 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 5: You're tied currently Rick Blair, sixteen time world champel to 792 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 5: get number seventeen. Who would you like to fight the Rock? 793 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 5: Randy Orton, Logan, Paul c Hm, Pump, Cody ro Roman Reigns. 794 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 5: Who would you like to fight that match? To win 795 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 5: the title? 796 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 1: So I think it's a that's a thing because of 797 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: the legacy that Rick Flair has and certainly I've been 798 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:34,399 Speaker 1: fortunate enough to win. 799 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 2: It has to be down Rick Flair are you. 800 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,399 Speaker 1: I personally know Rick, and he is a good chance 801 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: of winning that fight. I don't know if that's going 802 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: to happen. I think what's interesting about the tour is 803 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: there are some jackpot long shot scenarios where it can happen. 804 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: But to win a number one contender ship in the 805 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: story driven purpose, you have to earn it, right. I 806 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: had my chances. I've been a part timer now since 807 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: like twenty eighteen, that's six years. I've had my chances 808 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 1: of coming back and being like I want you in 809 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: a match. I haven't won a match since twenty eighteen. Wow, 810 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: that's a slump. 811 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 2: That's a lot of ale. Step one. I need to 812 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 2: bust the slump. 813 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: So with all of those things into play, I don't 814 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: want it, like I said, I want it to be 815 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: worth it to the audience. So if I come back 816 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: and push the champion and be like you and me 817 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: in a match, the audience will immediately see through that 818 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: as he just bumped his way to the front of 819 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: the line, and the guy I watch every week who's 820 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: earned that spot, he just took it away from That's stupid. 821 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: If I win the Royal Rumble, I get an automatic chance. 822 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: There have been stakes put on the elimination champe or 823 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: if I win that, I might get an automatic chance 824 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: at a championship. The money in the bank suitcase is 825 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: a suitcase for a championship match anytime, anywhere. So that's 826 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: what's cool about doing it over a year. There are 827 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,879 Speaker 1: these lottery chances where I'd be like, yo, he may 828 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: break the record if it's. 829 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 2: Even an option. 830 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: I got to start winning in January and I might 831 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: earn a shot by this And at that point I 832 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: don't give who is as long as I can just 833 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: get a chance. But I also, having been in that 834 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: champion I respect the process and I don't ever want 835 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: to take somebody's spot. Man, I don't ever want to 836 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: take somebody's spot. 837 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 2: You know. 838 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 5: Triple Lake said, you're the goal. I had Rick Flair 839 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 5: on here. He said, Sean Michaels is the goal. Who's 840 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 5: John Seena Goat of ww gosh. 841 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: That's a good question, you know, I and I think 842 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: that's what's interesting. I can name my top for hip 843 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: hop artists because I have no skin in the game. 844 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: This is a tough one to answer because I have 845 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: so much professional respect for so many names like I 846 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: have so much respect for Rick, like an ungodly amount 847 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: of respect for Rick, and. 848 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,959 Speaker 2: My age close to my age, he's it. 849 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: And then if you are my age and you one 850 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 1: are able to compete with him and perform with him, 851 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: and two when you're around Rick and you listen to 852 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: what those matches were, his travel schedule, the sacrifices he made, 853 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: the investment, he had, his passion. That's like whoa man 854 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: you are, and all about this. But as I'm also 855 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 1: enamored by the business side, Yes, and I don't think 856 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: there's a better breathing example of what's the best the 857 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: business has ever been than Roman Reigns. And it's amazing 858 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: that I'm saying a still active talent with years in 859 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: front of him is the greatest of all time. Wow, 860 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: But he's been in it since twenty twelve. I had 861 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: to work my way up. I started on the bench 862 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: and then got onto the Saturday program and then just 863 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: lost every match. He came in with the shield in 864 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: a really high level spot and never waiver even when 865 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: the fans didn't like him. He was still in a 866 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: main event spot. He's been in a main event lens 867 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: for over a decade now and he's brought through his 868 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 1: clock and you could say whatever force has helped it. 869 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,959 Speaker 1: But in twenty twelve we were the stock was traded 870 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 1: at eleven bucks WW or t KO stocks now at 871 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: one seventeen. Wow, that's on his shoulders. There isn't a 872 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: better indication of And I know it's a team effort. 873 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: Nobody does it alone. But like when you say, hey, 874 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,479 Speaker 1: that to that to me is like, that's some serious shit. 875 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: And for me, I got to give her respect is due. 876 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:38,240 Speaker 1: And Joe's smart, passionate about the business, multi generational athlete, 877 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: has respect for his family, has respect for the locker room, 878 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 1: has respect for the business. 879 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 2: He's not. 880 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: He's just he's a very very smart performer in somebody 881 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: I respect. He would be my greatest of all time. 882 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 1: You follow the pay up, you get the rock yep. Yeah, 883 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: Rock would be second because Rock did the same thing 884 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: in the nineties. But this is the one time I 885 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: can say this because Rock's numbers are always number one. 886 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,760 Speaker 1: Roman's numbers have been better than Duayne's. But I mean, gosh, 887 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 1: that's a that's like, this is bigg enough. 888 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 889 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 5: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two 890 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 5: is also posted and you can access it to whichever 891 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 5: podcast platform you just listen to Part one on. Just 892 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 5: simply go back to Club Shashay profile and I'll see 893 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 5: you there