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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. What do

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Speaker 2: we have, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do lots of big stories this week, So

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Speaker 1: Saga and I will break down how Scotus is going

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Speaker 1: to play a key role in twenty twenty four after Colorado,

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Speaker 2: But let's go ahead and start with us cotus. As

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Speaker 5: Would you do the same.

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Speaker 6: That's the whole name of the game in this situation.

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Speaker 2: Crystal, This just does demonstrate all the difficulty of running

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Speaker 3: We got the president and most of the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: They agree, like I guess at a rhetorical level of

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Speaker 5: No doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: So this is not a state election law issue. That's

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Speaker 1: How you determine because someone engaged in an insurrection, and

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Speaker 2: I actually I don't think there's a chance it could

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Speaker 2: I just think it's I don't think it comes even close.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad it is.

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Speaker 2: That's another thing is that there was well it's complicated,

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Speaker 2: have a genuine understanding and have a total democratic buy in.

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Speaker 2: This act was itself a insurrection.

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Speaker 1: So it's not necessarily that January six doesn't quitqualify. It's

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Speaker 1: that you don't think that the Colorado Supreme Court is

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Speaker 1: the appropriate venue to determine. Oh absolutely, But if the

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Speaker 1: Congress had passed an act that said, yes, January sixth

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Speaker 1: was an insuraction, need.

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Speaker 2: Say, absolutely absolutely, I would just as we did under reconstruction,

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Speaker 2: as we understood what rebellion was, as we understood what

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Speaker 2: Confederates were. This is about both democracy, about law, and

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Speaker 2: about the way that we I mean, let's go go

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Speaker 2: to the next one here, please, so we can put

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Speaker 2: this up on the screen. This is why I do

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Speaker 2: think is complicated and gets to what you're talking about,

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Speaker 2: which is that the Supreme Court about being disqualified for insurrection,

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Speaker 2: and they specifically point to people like Zebulon Vance in

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Speaker 2: eighteen seventy five, who was a genuinely unreconstructed Southerner and

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Speaker 2: Confederate who is disqualified from holding office. And this gets

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Speaker 2: to the question then of how it's interpreted in the

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Speaker 2: modern era. And actually, Colorado is not the first time

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Speaker 2: that this has happened to them. So let's go to

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Speaker 2: the next part. You found this where the presidential hopeful

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Speaker 2: shows that a naturalized citizen who wanted to run for

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Speaker 2: president despite not being American born, lost his bid. Why

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Speaker 2: because he contended under the Constitution's requirement that the US

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Speaker 2: born provision violates equal protection rights under the Fourteenth Amendment.

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Speaker 2: This is something that Jenks put forward previously. A magistrate

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Speaker 2: judge actually ruled that it did not affect the validity

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Speaker 2: of the Constitution's distinction between natural born and naturalized citizens.

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Speaker 2: He eventually appealed that decision, and a panel of the

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Speaker 2: tenth US sort of appeals back to the judge who

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Speaker 2: found that the state has a legitimate interest in leaving

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Speaker 2: him off of the ballot if he cannot assume the office.

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Speaker 2: This gets to a little bit of the interpretation of

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Speaker 2: that Fourteenth Amendment.

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Speaker 1: Let me explain why this matters and is relevant to

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Speaker 1: this particular case. It's because one of the legal questions

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Speaker 1: here is whether the state courts are the appropriate venue

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Speaker 1: to decide constitutional ballot issues. So, even though this is

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Speaker 1: a different constitutional ballot issue, in this instance, not only

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Speaker 1: did the did the original the Colorado I believe state

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court decide that, yes, it is an appropriate venue

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Speaker 1: for us to decide we have an interest directly in

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Speaker 1: deciding these constitutional ballot issues. But the other thing that's

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Speaker 1: interesting is when it went up to the US Circuit

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Speaker 1: Court of Appeals, and they agreed with the Colorado State Court.

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Speaker 1: Guess who is on the US Circuit Court of Appeals

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Speaker 1: Meels Corsi. So that particular legal question, that's why that's

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Speaker 1: relevant here. Now, there are a host of other legal

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Speaker 1: questions as I've been discussing the First Amendment issues, what

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Speaker 1: is an insurrection? How do you determine is this provision

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Speaker 1: of the Constitution what they call self executing, meaning that

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Speaker 1: you can just apply it based on its sort of

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Speaker 1: plane face meaning, or does it require an Act of

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Speaker 1: Congress in order? As Saga is suggesting, that's what he

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Speaker 1: thinks it should be at least that it requires an

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Speaker 1: Act of Congress to set forth. Okay, here's the definitions,

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Speaker 1: here's how it here's how it operates, here's how we determine,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. Again, all of these things are sort of

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Speaker 1: open ended because we have so had so little precedent

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Speaker 1: in terms of using this provision after the Civil War. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's as I said, I do think it's

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Speaker 1: a complicated legal question. I don't think that it is

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Speaker 1: like easy. I think these are tricky things. But when

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Speaker 1: you look at the just basic definition, if you look

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Speaker 1: at the plain English language interpretation of what this provision says.

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Speaker 1: It does seem like it applies to me. It does

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Speaker 1: seem like it applies, I think to me January sixth.

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Speaker 1: I think it's very easy to classify it as an

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Speaker 1: insurrection when you consider the intent and what the people

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Speaker 1: involved were in understanding their business on that day, what

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Speaker 1: they were up to on that day. Obviously Trump was

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Speaker 1: the whole reason they were there was because of Trump, Right,

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Speaker 1: So I don't think it's crazy to look at this

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Speaker 1: and go, yeah, this is appropriate. And again I come

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Speaker 1: back to I think it is also appropriate to have

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Speaker 1: a provision like this in the Constitution. I think a

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Speaker 1: state has an interest in protecting, you know, the protecting

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Speaker 1: the country from people who have attempted to subvert it

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Speaker 1: in the past. I think that's like a basic sort

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Speaker 1: of tenet of statehood.

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Speaker 3: Finally, I don't disagree that it shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, at a certain point, whether we agree or

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Speaker 2: not on the Constitution doesn't matter because it ain't going

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Speaker 2: to change.

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Speaker 3: So it's there.

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Speaker 2: The forty Amendment is long time test of time, so

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Speaker 2: it is what it is. As for the intent thing, though,

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Speaker 2: this is where I just disagree because For example, if

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Speaker 2: I join a cult and I kill somebody in cold

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Speaker 2: blood or killed somebody because of my religious beliefs, Am

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Speaker 2: I going to get prosecuted for religious crime, especially if

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Speaker 2: it doesn't fall within their hate crime provision? No, even

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Speaker 2: though that would be definite, that would be defined as

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Speaker 2: a religious act of war, whatever you could want to

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Speaker 2: call it rhetorically, I would be prosecuted under the state

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Speaker 2: of Virginia or DC or wherever it happened to resign

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Speaker 2: and I would kill that person, they would prosecute me

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Speaker 2: for murder if it fell within a hate crime provision.

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Speaker 3: Then they could add on you know whatever. These are well.

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Speaker 2: Commonly understood within statute of which they can be applied

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Speaker 2: and adjudicated through the legal system that have now stood

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Speaker 2: the test of time forever. You know, a common understanding

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Speaker 2: of something like a hate crime, for example, I mean

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Speaker 2: that stuff gets thrown around all the time. There's a

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Speaker 2: reason that the judge gets to actually rule as to

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Speaker 2: what it is and what it's not. We could sit

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Speaker 2: here on a news show and call something a hage crime.

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Speaker 2: That's fine within the First Amendment, but that's not how

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Speaker 2: the law works. So I just think saying like how

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Speaker 2: it appears, you know, based on our individual understanding. That's

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Speaker 2: not how you know, interpreting the constitution the law, nor

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Speaker 2: should it work both from a civil code and a

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Speaker 2: criminal code. It's like, well within an actual understanding through

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Speaker 2: the legal system.

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Speaker 1: So I guess sally quite a lot of precedent of

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Speaker 1: using the dictionary definitions of terms and even looking back

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Speaker 1: at what was the dictionary definition of the term during

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Speaker 1: the time period when this amendment was instituted to try

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Speaker 1: to determine what was the meaning clanface meaning at the time.

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Speaker 1: So it's not like you have to be some secret

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Speaker 1: decoder to figure things out. A different judges apply this differently.

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Speaker 1: Some of them do take more of the like secret

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Speaker 1: secret decoder approach that was. I mean, for example, it

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Speaker 1: feels preposterous the lower court ruling that the presidency is

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Speaker 1: not in office of.

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Speaker 5: The United States. You look at that and you're like, what,

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Speaker 5: that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: But you know, if you look at this provision versus

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Speaker 1: that provision and maybe at the time and they should

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Speaker 1: have specified it in particular, and you know there are

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Speaker 1: other courts who have thought that as well, and that

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Speaker 1: part is sort of in dispute. So there are different

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Speaker 1: ways of analyzing this, but I just want to point

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Speaker 1: out that it is not unusual or you know, out

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Speaker 1: of the realm of what's appropriate. Just just look at

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Speaker 1: the dictionary definition of these terms and what the people

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Speaker 1: writing you know, this text at the time, what they

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Speaker 1: would have thought that these words mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that you and I are opening up originalism

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Speaker 2: and interpretation and living constitutions.

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Speaker 5: And there are many schools of thought on how to.

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Speaker 3: Do this, loyally tearing their hair.

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Speaker 1: And let's also be clear, like I've said this many

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Speaker 1: times before, all of that sort of goes out the

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Speaker 1: window because of the partisan nature of the courts, where

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Speaker 1: you know, I have no doubt that when it gets

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, they're going to find whatever legal rationale

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Speaker 1: that they want to do what they want to do,

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Speaker 1: and they'll sort of fill in, you know, backfill the

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Speaker 1: legal justification after the fact. So it's not like I

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Speaker 1: think that these people are all like just calling balls

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Speaker 1: and strikes and trying to faithfully apply some sort of

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Speaker 1: an approach.

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Speaker 5: Not at all.

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Speaker 1: But there are plenty of instances where just looking at

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Speaker 1: the dictionary definition is actually how people approach these rulings.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we really are in unprecedented territory. We

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Speaker 1: haven't seen something like what happened on January sixth before.

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen a president like Donald Trump before. We

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Speaker 1: haven't seen, you know, this set of facts and circumstances

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Speaker 1: in quite a long time. So again, difficult decisions, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's appropriate to be left to this proom.

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Speaker 2: Cool, it'll be fun, Crystal. I'm looking forward to hearing

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Speaker 2: and seeing what happens. Let's go to the next part here,

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Speaker 2: and this is a political question which I think is

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Speaker 2: easier to talk about. Let's go and put this up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen. Democrats actually supporting the Colorado ruling

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Speaker 2: eighty four to eight, Independence, forty eight to thirty five,

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Speaker 2: Republicans who oppose at sixty six to twenty four, so

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Speaker 2: the overall support number stands at fifty four oppose at

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Speaker 2: thirty three. Keep in mind this was a relatively quick

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Speaker 2: one sample of three four hundred people from you gov,

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Speaker 2: but still significant, the very first poll that we've actually

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Speaker 2: seen on this direct question of the support for the

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Speaker 2: Colorado court ruling disqualifying Trump from the primary ballot. Let's

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Speaker 2: go to the next part here, please, And this is

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Speaker 2: important as well. Is that this has now put forward

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Speaker 2: a political campaign on Democratic states. Lieutenant governor of the

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Speaker 2: state of California is now writing to the Secretary of State,

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Speaker 2: Shirley Weber to explore every legal option to remove former

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Speaker 2: President Donald Trump from California's twenty twenty four presidential primary.

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Speaker 2: I would expect in the coming days that almost every

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Speaker 2: Democrat or at least hard blue state is going to

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Speaker 2: try and pursue this in terms of their lieutenant governorships.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it will eventually get adjudicated at the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court level, but they will try to get it to

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Speaker 2: be done. It does show you, though, that this is

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Speaker 2: tremendously politically popular with a lot of the Democratic Party

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Speaker 2: and frankly not even particularly injurious whenever you look at

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Speaker 2: the independent number and publicans and I think that's where Crystal,

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Speaker 2: we can agree at least on this is I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think on a question like this, the public opinion

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Speaker 2: actually doesn't matter because if this is the legal question,

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Speaker 2: but because people are probably looking at it in the

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Speaker 2: way that you are is like did he do it

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Speaker 2: or not? And most people do think Trump at the

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Speaker 2: very least most people think Trump acted badly on that

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Speaker 2: day and I think this is probably the lens of

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Speaker 2: which they're looking at it.

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Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, I would agree with that something like that.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they don't necessarily understand their legal ramifications of everything

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Speaker 2: we're talking about, but as an actual political question, I

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Speaker 2: think that they can. I think this fits even the

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Speaker 2: Republican number of the twenty four percent.

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Speaker 3: That exactly matches.

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Speaker 2: But it exactly matches the number of Republicans In a

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Speaker 2: recent New York Times Santa pol who said that Trump

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be on the ballot if he's convicted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's the same thing.

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Speaker 2: It's just people who, you know, within the Republican Party,

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Speaker 2: the Nikki Haley voter who's really consolidating right now and

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Speaker 2: actually like doing pretty well in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 3: I think that's where it comes down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a very normy reaction here of like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: January six was bad, and maybe it is appropriate that,

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Speaker 1: you know, we take these sort of extraordinary measures against him,

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Speaker 1: and just looking at the text here.

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Speaker 5: That seems like it fits.

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Speaker 1: So I was actually surprised though that the numbers were

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Speaker 1: this strong in favor of it, just because it is,

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Speaker 1: you know, it is an extraordinary move.

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Speaker 5: There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: It is a dramatic move to take a leading president

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Speaker 1: v leading presidential candidate off the ballot. I don't deny

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Speaker 1: that whatsoever. So I was I was actually a little

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Speaker 1: surprised to see a twenty point margin in favor of

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Speaker 1: that court decision, and in particular, I mean, I wasn't

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Speaker 1: surprised at obviously eighty four percent of Democrats support it.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't not surprised to see that a plurality forty

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Speaker 1: eight percent of Independence support it. I was surprised to

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Speaker 1: see that basically a quarter of Republicans are like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's appropriate given the fact that Trump is

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Speaker 1: still such a dominant figure within the Republican Party.

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Speaker 5: I wonder if that number will.

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Speaker 1: Move as the news cycle really kicks in and the

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Speaker 1: very very clear and hard partisan lines on this question

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Speaker 1: sort of kick in, and if there's more of a

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Speaker 1: rally to, you know, a sort of like tribal instinct

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Speaker 1: or partisan rallying around what this question means. I wonder

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Speaker 1: if you don't see that support on the Republican side dip.

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Speaker 1: But I was, I was kind of surprised by this

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Speaker 1: instant poll reaction myself. I thought that there would be

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Speaker 1: more of a fifty to fifty split on this question.

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Speaker 3: I would have assumed so too, although I mean, I

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Speaker 3: don't know.

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Speaker 2: It also is one of those where on January sixth

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Speaker 2: you saw Republicans are like, yeah, he acted badly, but

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Speaker 2: I also think he's the best candidate.

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Speaker 3: So people have complicated feelings about all of this.

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Speaker 5: Inconsistent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people are deeply inconsistent, which is part of the

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Speaker 2: why it's fun to cover politics. Let's cover this next

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Speaker 2: one up on the screen. Fifty three percent previously had support,

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Speaker 2: for example, the prosecution Christal. That almost exactly matches the

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Speaker 2: number who support the ballot barring of the ballot, which

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Speaker 2: is why I think it's all coming down to a

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Speaker 2: question of like, do I think Trump back to badly?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I also will say, for all the stories that we

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Speaker 2: do here, which are totally legitimate, in which I genuinely

703
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Speaker 2: still believe I think Trump does have you know, I

704
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Speaker 2: would give him the edge even though I think it's

705
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Speaker 2: near a coin toss. Is this still an albatross around

706
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Speaker 2: his neck? Most people, the more the question of like

707
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: do you like Trump and do you support his personal conduct?

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Speaker 2: Or January sixth, anything related to stop the steal. We've

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Speaker 2: seen people like Doug Mastriano, all these other Carrie Lake

710
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Speaker 2: and many of these other places they lost big and

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Speaker 2: deep red country when a generic Republican was doing very

712
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Speaker 2: well on the ballot. So I would not count this

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Speaker 2: an abortion out that could still sink him at the

714
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Speaker 2: end of the day.

715
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Speaker 3: And Trump is his own worst enemy.

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Speaker 2: For example, remember Sean Hannity kept trying to get him

717
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Speaker 2: to endorse mail in balloting during his town hall and

718
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Speaker 2: he just wouldn't do it. Yeah, when he has a

719
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Speaker 2: religious belief in his head as he does that he

720
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Speaker 2: believes the election.

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Speaker 3: Was stolen from him, he will never drop it.

722
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Speaker 2: Guys ever, And so if somebody's going to challenge him

723
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Speaker 2: on it, poke him Biden, or somebody starts to get

724
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Speaker 2: on that, he'll give his rant about dominion voting systems.

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Speaker 5: You know what was interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys saw this poll floating around,

727
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Speaker 1: but there was a des Moines Register poll, this like

728
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Speaker 1: a very high quality poll of Iowa caucus goers, and

729
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: they asked them all these different, like very inflammatory comments

730
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Speaker 1: that Trump has made, Like does that make you more

731
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: likely to support him? Less likely or it doesn't matter,

732
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Speaker 1: and the headline from this was that his comments about

733
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Speaker 1: poisoning the blood of America make more Republicans more likely

734
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Speaker 1: to vot formed than less likely. It was forty two

735
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Speaker 1: to twenty eight. But actually there was the one that

736
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Speaker 1: had the most negative impact on Iowa Coccas goers.

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Speaker 5: Was a little surprising to me.

738
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Speaker 1: It was twenty twenty election fraud justifies terminating parts of

739
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Speaker 1: the US Constitution. That was overwhelmingly negative. There were only

740
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Speaker 1: fourteen percent that said it made them more likely to

741
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Speaker 1: support Trump, and there were forty seven percent who actually

742
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Speaker 1: who said this makes me less likely to support Trump, which,

743
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Speaker 1: you know, I just I found that interesting. It was,

744
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Speaker 1: like I said, it was surprising to me. It also

745
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Speaker 1: made me feel like maybe Ron de Santis and Nikki

746
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Speaker 1: Haley and co. Have been too nervous about talking about

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Speaker 1: any of this. I mean, this appears to be the

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Speaker 1: most damaging comment that he's made, and I haven't heard

749
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Speaker 1: any of them bring it up really at all. So

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Speaker 1: there's that. But it also does show you that even

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Speaker 1: within a Republican base that overwhelmingly does think that the

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Speaker 1: election was stolen, there's a discomfort with the level of

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Speaker 1: disorder and chaos and certainly a direct attack on the

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Speaker 1: Constitution that Trump has floated in the past.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I think that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's the reason why is that people

757
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Speaker 2: who even let's say for at least most Republicans I

758
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: know with people who are like, yeah, the election was stolen,

759
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Speaker 2: they don't mean it.

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Speaker 3: And the way that Trump actually meets.

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Speaker 2: It, they're like, well, Mark Zuckerberg, you know, censored the

762
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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden laptop story, and that's election interference. I'm like, yeah,

763
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Speaker 2: I mean conceptually yes, but that's not what Trump is saying.

764
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Speaker 2: And I think that having to often grapple when it's

765
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Speaker 2: truly like in your face and sometimes with Trump makes

766
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Speaker 2: people uncomfortable.

767
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Speaker 3: That's that I still think people a lot of people

768
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Speaker 3: are ever going to vote for him.

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Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure I agree though, because with DeSantis,

770
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Speaker 2: he's got to win over Trump voters too. Nikki Haley

771
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: has always been just an anti Trump candidate. She's a

772
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Speaker 2: return to yesteryear, so of course going to get yesterdayear

773
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Speaker 2: type voters. But if you actually want to win an

774
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Speaker 2: outright majority, that would require winning actual maga people, and

775
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: maga people support Trump as a cult of personality. Let's

776
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Speaker 2: not even put aside like anything that you know, whether

777
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: they support or believe anything, it's more about protecting him.

778
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Speaker 2: The individuals. Yeah, that's where I mean, they've always been

779
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Speaker 2: in a tough press.

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Speaker 1: I always thought it was impossible, Like I from the

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Speaker 1: beginning have said, like, I don't think that there is

782
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Speaker 1: a strategy that they could deploy that would be successful.

783
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: And I still think that that is the case. However,

784
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Speaker 1: polling does at this point show that this is actually

785
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Speaker 1: more not his election fraud claims, but the chaos and

786
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: the lawlessness surrounding those election fraud claims are more of

787
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Speaker 1: a liability for him with Republicans than I had really thought.

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Speaker 5: That's I guess that's what I appoint in.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to say, like, listen, DeSantis tried the

790
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: tiptoe around criticizing Trump thing, and how's it working out

791
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: for him?

792
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 5: How's the working out for any of them? How's the work?

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Speaker 1: I mean the most sort of like shameless sick of

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Speaker 1: is vivig Ramslomi And what's he yet?

795
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Speaker 5: Five percent? Right now?

796
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Speaker 1: So it's not like the strategy of just pretending like

797
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: Trump doesn't exist, or more or less praising him and

798
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: occasionally throwing like a little sideways job at him. It's

799
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: not like that was successful either, so they may as

800
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: well have actually rand as stance losing to Chris Christy

801
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: in New Hampshire right now, which is pretty extraordinary in

802
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: and of itself.

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00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's a whole other conversation, I think.

804
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: Anyway, we wanted to also give people a taste too

805
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: of how this is us Mike boomerang out on Joe

806
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: Biden and on the Democrats. Let's take a listen to

807
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Speaker 2: what the Texas Lieutenant governor had to say.

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Speaker 7: Seeing what happened in Colorado tonight, law, it makes me think,

809
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 7: except we believe in democracy in Texas, maybe we should

810
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Speaker 7: take Joe Biden off the ballot in Texas for allowing

811
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Speaker 7: eight million people to cross the borders since he's been president,

812
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Speaker 7: disrupting our state.

813
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there you go.

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Speaker 1: Don't threaten me with there with a good time, ess sir.

815
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Speaker 1: Removing Joe Biden from.

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Speaker 3: The ballot would be honestly, it would be fun. Well, look,

817
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Speaker 3: we'll see.

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Speaker 2: I do think this is certainly going to open up

819
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Speaker 2: a can of worms, although at the same time, if

820
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Speaker 2: Scotus just kills the can of worms, and we're probably

821
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Speaker 2: going to be better off, Why don't we talk about

822
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Speaker 2: broader war?

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Speaker 1: All right, So we've had a lot of big developments

824
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Speaker 1: with regards to Israel, and in particular with the Houthis

825
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Speaker 1: attacks on shipping in the Red Sea, which has had

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Speaker 1: massive reverberations in terms of global economic activity, in terms

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Speaker 1: specifically of Israeli economic activity, and the Hoothies they're looming

828
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Speaker 1: in hard. Go ahead and put this up on the screen.

829
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Speaker 1: They just released this new, very highly produced propaganda video.

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Speaker 1: You can see them, you know, in these boats. The

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Speaker 1: water looks beautiful, they're you know, have all their weapons,

832
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Speaker 1: they're doing their military trot whatever that is the official

833
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Speaker 1: name for that is. We can go ahead and take

834
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Speaker 1: I think you get the idea here, and I talked

835
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Speaker 1: to you a little bit about this before.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: This makes all the sense in the world for the

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Speaker 1: Houthies strategically, because one thing that unifies, you know, most

839
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Speaker 1: everybody in Yemen is support for the Palestinian.

840
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Speaker 5: Cause opposition to Israel.

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Speaker 1: It gets to show them, you know, taken on the

842
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: biggest bad guys from their perspective in the world, that

843
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: would be the United States of America and frankly given

844
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Speaker 1: us a real bloody nose in the process. So the US,

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Speaker 1: because of what an extraordinary impact this is having with

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Speaker 1: by the way, and we'll get to this in a minute,

847
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Speaker 1: with very low cost weaponry that the Houthis are deploying here,

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Speaker 1: our Defense Department has now announced a new effort to

849
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Speaker 1: try to curb these attacks.

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Speaker 5: Let's put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So they have announced the creation of an enhanced Naval

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Speaker 1: Protection Force operating in the Southern Red Sea, an attempt

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Speaker 1: to ward off mounting attacks from Yemen's rebel Houthis on

854
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Speaker 1: merchant shipping. Lloyd Austin, US Defense Secretary said the new

855
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Speaker 1: effort would be called Operation Prosperity Guardian was necessary to

856
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Speaker 1: tackle the recent escalation in reckless houthy attacks originating from Yemen.

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Speaker 1: Other participants in the effort, and this is noteworthy, included

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Speaker 1: bacherin Canada, France, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Sey Shelles, Way to Go,

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Speaker 1: Sey Shells and Spain. New coalition of the Willing here

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Speaker 1: just stropped.

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Speaker 3: It was like wow, say Shales, congrats.

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Speaker 1: Why that is noteworthy is that there were a number

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Speaker 1: of our other close Arab allies, in particular Egypt and

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. You notice are not part of that coalition.

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Speaker 1: So I think this shows a few things. Number One,

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Speaker 1: this is in and of itself escalatory. The fact that

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Speaker 1: we are getting more engaged, that we are contemplating direct

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Speaker 1: attacks on the hu Thi's, that we have this broader

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Speaker 1: military presence, This creates more possibilities of a bigger spark

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Speaker 1: and a conflagration. So that's the most important thing to

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Speaker 1: keep in mind. Number Two is, once again, it's humiliating

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Speaker 1: that this is the coalition. That these are all the

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Speaker 1: countries with all of the money and all of the

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Speaker 1: things that we do to try to keep these people

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Speaker 1: on our side, and when we come to them are

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Speaker 1: like we need to do this thing to protect global shipping,

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Speaker 1: They're like, no, Because we showed you on an earlier

878
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: show this week that US support, like US approval rating

879
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: in the region has fallen off a cliff. Joe Biden

880
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: has like a six percent approval rating in the whole region.

881
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: Every country that's associated with US because of our unconditional

882
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: support for Israel, their approval ratings in the region have

883
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: fallen off a cliff, and it's put them in a

884
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: precarious position with their own populations. So it shows you

885
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: how weak we are too in terms of you know,

886
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: what we're actually able to put together and to respond

887
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: to this.

888
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting, and that you were talking about

889
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: the astometric piece. I want to spend some time on

890
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: this because it's something that highlighted. It's actually even more

891
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: stark than I had laid out previously. Let's put this

892
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: up there. This gives you people a taste. There is

893
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,959
Speaker 2: a two million dollar missile that we are currently using

894
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: to shoot down two thousand dollars drones. They say that

895
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 2: the shortest range options are the evolved Sea Sparrow missile,

896
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: designed to fire at targets less than five nautical miles away,

897
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 2: costs one point eight million dollars per shot for targets

898
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: inside one nautical mile for another weapon system. Let's go

899
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: to the next part here, please, And they say, by contrast,

900
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: experts are now estimating the Hufy one way attack drone,

901
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: primarily Uranian made, costs just two one thousand dollars. The

902
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: larger ones cost twenty thousand dollars. So just let that

903
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: sink in. Their most advanced attack drone, which has now

904
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 2: disrupted tens of billions of dollars of cargo and added

905
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: untold millions of dollars in gas for the amount of

906
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: fuel that these companies have to pay to now go

907
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: around the Horn of Africa. We now are seeing that

908
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: it costs two million dollars for each one of these missiles.

909
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: And it demonstrates why terrorism is very often a very

910
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: good trade on behalf of people who just have the

911
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: will to be able to subject yourself to a two

912
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: million dollar missile or possibly get wiped out by a

913
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: US carrier, because if you keep it going for long enough,

914
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 2: you can couse some massive and serious damage to the

915
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: overall global economy. Right now today, it is the most

916
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: significant shipping crisis since Ukraine. And I know that's not

917
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: a very long period, but I mean pre Ukraine that was,

918
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: I mean probably the biggest disruptive to global shipping in

919
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: modern American or modern global history. I think since the

920
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: fall of the Soviet Union, we've never seen anything so

921
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: crazy like that. We're having really a poly crisis in shipping.

922
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: There is Ukraine, there is now the Red Sea, and

923
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: actually there's a drought in Panama and the sea levels

924
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 2: in Panama right now in terms of ability for the

925
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: supertankers to go through is I think it's lower than normal,

926
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: which is causing all kinds of chaos inside the Panama Canal.

927
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: This is causing huge problems right now for Egypt in

928
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: terms of their revenue. They could go broke if they

929
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: don't get the fees that they normally do for the Suez.

930
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: So there's all kinds of crazy fortieth order effects that

931
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 2: are a result of this policy. And I do think

932
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: this is the single most precarious choke point because one

933
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 2: attack drone kills one wrong guy, one US sailor, that's right,

934
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 2: one British sailor, that's it, game over, And the most situation.

935
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: The more we involve ourselves here, the more targets there

936
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: are there are, the more possibilities there are that one

937
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: of our men and women gets killed in this operation.

938
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: So this is tremendously increasing the risk. And I'll get

939
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: to in a second the fact that now we've got

940
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of like hawkish national security like former CIA

941
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: democrats who are like, this thing we're doing with Israel

942
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: is not in our national security interest whatsoever. But the

943
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: economic impact is already tremendous. It's tremendous globally, but for

944
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: Israel in particular, is pretty devastating. Put this up on

945
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: the screen. This is a report from how Retz on

946
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: the economic war. Their headline here who Thi's open new

947
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: and dangerous front in Israel's economic war. Attacks on Israel

948
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: link ships threaten a key route for Israeli exports and imports.

949
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: Fortunately for Israel, global trade is also at risk in

950
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: the Red Sea. And the reason they say that's fortunately

951
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: is because it's dragging us into it, so that's why

952
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: it's a good thing for them. The Huthis have said

953
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: the most their targeting is really linked ships or ships

954
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: that are heading to Israel, but the linkage has.

955
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 5: Been a little loose thus far.

956
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: That's why the imperative to have this like global response

957
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: to protect the shipping lanes. They write this piece that

958
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: the Huthi attacks are pinching Israel's maritime trade. Cargo traffic

959
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: at a loot port is down by eighty percent, eighty

960
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: percent cost.

961
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 5: Of marine insurance.

962
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: This is also really important for Israeli owned and now

963
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: presumably israel Israel bound vessels is soaring. Companies like Israel

964
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: Zim are re routing their ships away from the Red Sea.

965
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: Heave then go around Africa instead, a change that adds

966
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: two weeks to the voyage. All of this will add

967
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: to the cost of imports, which will be passed on

968
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: to the Israeli consumer. And they also said it's reasonable

969
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: to assume that many foreign shipping companies are going to

970
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: opt to avoid stopping in Israeli ports altogether, to avoid

971
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: the risk of their vessels being targeted. So Israel obviously

972
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: the war has imposed a tremendous economic cost on them

973
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: from the number of reservists that they've called up. It

974
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: really has sort of stopped the regular economy. Any tourism

975
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 1: obviously is basically stamped out. People are mostly not going

976
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: about their normal lives, so spending is way down. I

977
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: saw there expecting the Israeli economy to shrink by a

978
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: fifteen percent annual rate in the fourth quarter.

979
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that is a huge number.

980
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 2: They both face immen's short term costs. So I think

981
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: we've talked about it before. The war costs something like

982
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: one hundred to two hundred million dollars a day just

983
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: in terms of paying all these reservists. Then they've got

984
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: one of the largest internal displaces, how would you say it, displacements?

985
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: There we go, all right, my language is back the

986
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: largest internal displacement I believe in the history of the

987
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: State of Israel, because you have all of the people

988
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: near the Lebanese border and near Gaza who have been

989
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: resettled and they're paying for all their hotel bills. So

990
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: you've got huge portions of the country of where people

991
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: have been uprooted from their homes inside of Israel and

992
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: who are staying in Tel Aviv or any of the

993
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: more metropolitan areas. So if that costs a ton of money,

994
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: then all these prime aged working mails are in the military,

995
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: they're in reserve, they're not working their jobs. Then you've

996
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: got all these Palestinians who and Arabs who were working

997
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: and coming across the border in Israel, who are now

998
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 2: no longer coming across. So you have a major poly crisis.

999
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, for the Israeli economy, that's not the

1000
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: short term. And then on the long term, look, they've

1001
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: already said we're not going to let any these Palestinians

1002
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: back in anymore. I mean, that was thousands of people

1003
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: who were working in day labors, any kind of lower

1004
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: end work. They're like, well, maybe we can bring people in,

1005
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: bring people in from where and it's Israel's a tiny

1006
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: little country, so then you'd have to worry about housing.

1007
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: I mean their.

1008
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: Structural problems I think right now economically and also in

1009
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: terms of their employment and workforce especially too. It looks

1010
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 2: more and more likely to me, and I've seen a

1011
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: lot of speculation around this that they are going to

1012
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: have to militarily occupy Gaza for at least some time.

1013
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: Right that's going to take a tremendous, tremendous amount of

1014
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 2: people in the Israeli army.

1015
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: Days.

1016
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: People can't return back to work, let alone continue to

1017
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: run their business, and that puts the country continued in

1018
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 2: a wartime footing for quite some time. So this could

1019
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: seriously cost them for a long time, and I would

1020
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: urge them to think about that too.

1021
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: The other thing that Adam Tooze was writing about, which

1022
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: is that you know, listen, capital has no loyalty of course,

1023
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: so they're looking at not only this war and you know,

1024
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: the massive shipping catastrophe and the fact that everyone in

1025
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: the world is like opposed to what's happening there except

1026
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: for us. Apparently they're thinking about also the you know,

1027
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: the tumult in the country with Netanyahu in charge before

1028
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: the war and his corruption and his attempts to overhaul

1029
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: the judiciary, and the fact that you had these mass

1030
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: disruptive protests for months and months on end. So there

1031
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: was already a pullback of capital and a foreign direct

1032
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: investment in particular. This is only going to accelerate that.

1033
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there's a grassroots boycott, divestment and

1034
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: sanctioned movement that seeks to sort of like take capital

1035
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: away from Israel. IM sure, it's had very minimal impact

1036
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: frankly on the Israeli economy. This is like a sort

1037
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: of a capital strike that they could be facing because

1038
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: they just want to make money and they're not going

1039
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: to want to put up with risks and chaos and

1040
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: you know, psycho like reactionary right wing governments and the

1041
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: tunnel that it's creating. So it really does create a

1042
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: long term problem for them. And you might say, well, okay,

1043
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: we threw the entire like actual economic sanction playbook at

1044
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: Russia and they've been more or less okay, you know,

1045
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: they've spun up a war economy and things haven't been amazing,

1046
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: but they've they've managed to hold on Dyance went years

1047
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: preparing for potential levying of sanctions, and their economy is

1048
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: structured very differently. The Netanyahu government had intentionally relied aggressively

1049
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: on foreign direct investment in order to spur and build

1050
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: their economy, so they have much greater exposure here.

1051
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 3: In terms of that act, they're not even remotely the same.

1052
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 2: Russia is a population of what like one hundred million

1053
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: maybe more people. They have a vast expanse, they have

1054
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: a huge amount of resources. Israel is like a tiny

1055
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: sliver of the Middle East. They don't have the same

1056
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: level of access to ports that they control. They don't

1057
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: have a real navy. I mean, I could go on

1058
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 2: forever in terms of they don't have an industrial base.

1059
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 2: Their population all right, they've mobilized the entire thing. They

1060
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: are relatively at the limits of that For the amount

1061
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: of more people that could they could bring in, I mean,

1062
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: it's totally, in completely It's much more like Japan or

1063
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 2: Taiwan or any of these other island nations which relied

1064
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: dramatically on foreign capital and on foreign resources to be

1065
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: able to keep their basic like Western way of life going.

1066
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 2: So it's not even remotely the same, and it does

1067
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: demonstrate a lot of the procarity that they're in yeah.

1068
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 1: Right now, because remember ultimately, you know, I mean economic

1069
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: pressure was part of what led to the South Africa

1070
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: apartheid regime. And so the fact that you have this

1071
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: amount of potential economic pressure being applied possibly in the

1072
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: long term, I mean, that could be a pressure point

1073
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: for the Israeli government in terms of the decisions that

1074
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: they make in the future. I tease this before put

1075
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 1: this up on the screen, in terms of these I

1076
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: was shocked to see this letter based on who has

1077
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: signed off on it. So this is Chrissy Hoolihan tweeted,

1078
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: I'm calling in the Biden administration to use all of

1079
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: our nation's leverage to shift the Israeli military stride and

1080
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: defending itself against us. The humanitarian crisis in Gaza is

1081
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: unacceptable and and this is the key part, not in

1082
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: line with American interest. The signatories here, Jason Crow, Christy

1083
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: hulihanho I just mentioned Abigail Spanberger, shocked at that one, Mikey,

1084
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: Cheryl Seth Moulton, and Alissa Slotkin. So these are like

1085
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: former members of the military, former agents in the CIA

1086
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: who are saying this, we had a something's got to change.

1087
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 5: This is a disaster.

1088
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: Now they claim they care about the humanitarian piece. I

1089
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: suspect much more that they are concerned about the devastating

1090
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: impact this is having on our national security and the

1091
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Speaker 1: fact that it is putting our people at greater risk,

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Speaker 1: our unconditional support for Israel.

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Speaker 5: Let me just read you a little bit of this letter.

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Speaker 1: They say, Dear President Biden, We're deeply concerned by Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister Netanya Who's current military strategy in Gaza, the mounting

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00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: civilian death told humanitarian crisis are unacceptable, not in line

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Speaker 1: with American interests, nor do they advance the cause of

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Speaker 1: security for our ally Israel. We also believe it jeopardizes

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Speaker 1: efforts to destroy the terrorist organization Hamas and secure the

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Speaker 1: release of all hostages.

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Speaker 5: So take that in.

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Speaker 1: They're saying that the approach is actually hindering the ability

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00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: to eradicate Hamas. This is something we've been saying from

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Speaker 1: the beginning. This actually creates more radicalization. And you can

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00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: look at our very recent track record, or you can

1106
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 1: go back a lot further and look at that track

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00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: record as well, to see the way that these actions

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00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: will almost inevitably create blowback and increase the radicalization that

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00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 1: you are trying to root out.

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Speaker 5: So the fact that these very like.

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00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: I would describe them as not even normy like sort

1112
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: of more right leaning democrats, more hawkish Democrats, are now

1113
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: like whoa, whoa. Something's got to change here and change fast.

1114
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: That was very noteworthy to be the only thing I

1115
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: would speak up on their behalf is that all of

1116
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 2: them were at least involved in some way in Iraq

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00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 2: and Afghanistan. And I don't think anyone who's served in

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00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 2: that war can't help but look at some of the parallels.

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00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and be like, some difference, this is idiotic. Let's

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Speaker 1: go you know where it was a disaster.

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00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: Urge people to do. People should go listen to Tim Dillon.

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00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 2: He was recently on Joe Rogan, and Tim was apparent

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00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: he was talking about in his hilarious way, he was

1124
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: a former Iraq war supporter actually in his old days,

1125
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Speaker 2: and he gave some of his.

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Speaker 3: Perspective about Israel and Gaza and all that.

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00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 2: And the reason I think so is that he'll both

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00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: make you laugh and make very deeply profound points at

1129
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 2: the same time. And he made a lot of what

1130
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 2: we talk about here, but he did it a lot

1131
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 2: funnier than.

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Speaker 5: Let's move on.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned before, there have been so many just

1134
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: utterly insane and gas lighting and wild comments coming out

1135
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: of Israel that we felt the need to devote an

1136
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Speaker 1: entire segment to them to go through some of the highlights.

1137
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: This will not be a comprehensive survey of the list

1138
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: of wild comments that have been made, but just to

1139
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: give you a sense of the discourse that is coming

1140
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: from not just like random Israelis, but from political leaders

1141
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: with power, from journalists and analysts who were on TV

1142
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Speaker 1: all the time. I want to start with this one

1143
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: because this one was in many ways like the wildest,

1144
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: although it's a pretty good competition here. So this is

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00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: the Deputy mayor of Jerusalem. She's responding to the reports

1146
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: that we covered here that the idea had targeted and

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Speaker 1: killed two Christian women at a Catholic church in Gaza,

1148
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Speaker 1: and so she's being asked about this. Just take a

1149
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: listen to what her response is.

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Speaker 5: Take a listen.

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00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: Why is it necessary it is reported to start shooting,

1152
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: having snipers outside a church.

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Speaker 3: I don't I saw the reports this morning the church.

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Speaker 3: There are no churches in gazas so I'm not quite

1155
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 3: sure where the report is there's a Catholic church in

1156
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 3: there isn't there that is Unfortunately there are no Christians

1157
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Speaker 3: because they were dry driven driven out.

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Speaker 1: By There are, respectfully, there are Christians because I spoke

1159
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Speaker 1: to an MP yesterday who has family members in the

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Speaker 1: church who are Christians.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know what happen. I don't know who

1162
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Speaker 3: was attacked. I didn't see the report.

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Speaker 5: I mean there are no churches in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there Actually, just di is denying reality to try

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Speaker 1: to avoid the implications of what the IDF did here,

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Speaker 1: which is what the Pope described as terrorism. There are

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Speaker 1: no churches in Gaza. Uh, yeah, actually there are. Well,

1168
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Speaker 1: there are no Christians at Gaza. Well, actually there are.

1169
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Speaker 1: Oh well, the report that I previously claimed that I

1170
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Speaker 1: had seen, I actually didn't see that report.

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Speaker 5: So I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing, this is look. I mean.

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Speaker 2: One of the reasons I think I also want to

1174
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 2: highlight this too is because I am so deeply annoyed

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00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: by this idea that you know, Israel and Netanyahu, or

1176
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: even Israel and the far right are one and the same,

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Speaker 2: and that we are not allowed to criticize or to

1178
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Speaker 2: look at this country which has much more robust debate

1179
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Speaker 2: about itself than we are allowed to have over here,

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Speaker 2: and people rightfully, I think, can demonstrate and understand that,

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00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 2: you know, criticizing a political party or a particular strategy

1182
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: does not mean that you are against the entire country's

1183
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: right to exist or any of that. And I think

1184
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Speaker 2: a lot of people also wanted to nine about a

1185
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Speaker 2: pretty decent segment of Israeli politics, which agrees with some

1186
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 2: of these statements, which are I think antithetical to our

1187
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Speaker 2: ends and their ends. But their ends are their business.

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Speaker 2: They can decide. At the very least, though, we need

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Speaker 2: to have a full visibility into what they want and

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Speaker 2: what they are saying. And I think it's pretty unfortunate

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Speaker 2: because if we paid better attention, especially to in the

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Speaker 2: age of translation of Google translating all that, it's not

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Speaker 2: difficult to suss out this is a Western country. They

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Speaker 2: have sets just like this in Tel Aviv. They're sitting

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Speaker 2: on them and talking about it in Hebrew. You can

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Speaker 2: go and look if you want, and if that's too

1197
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Speaker 2: hard for you, you can read the English Israeli pressed, which

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Speaker 2: often translates that all for you. And yet we try

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Speaker 2: to get all of our A lot of people, especially

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Speaker 2: you watch cable so much of us filtered down through

1201
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 2: so many levels, you just have a totally hijacked and

1202
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 2: different view of what it all looks like. You think everyone,

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00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: I honestly think you would think that everybody is eminently

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00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: reasonable in Israel, and then everyone in Palestine is like

1205
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: some how or everyone in Hamas in Gaza is like

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Speaker 2: some sort of hummas flag waving terrorists. It just like

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Speaker 2: couldn't be more further from it. There's all the nuance

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Speaker 2: and it is completely lost.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is, I want to play the next one,

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00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: but if you heard any Palestinian or Palestinian supporter saying

1211
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: some of these things, like everyone in this country would

1212
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: know about it, every politician would be getting asked about it,

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00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: it would be played on a loop. And yet these

1214
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: things are like said in the open commonly in Israel,

1215
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: and our politicians just pretend like they don't hear it,

1216
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: they don't see it, and that it's some just like

1217
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: purely targeted ethical mission and war that's being engaged in

1218
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: in the Gaza strip. It's just if you listen to

1219
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: their own comments and then look at what they're doing

1220
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: on the ground, it becomes undeniable, what is happening in

1221
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: front of your eyes. So here's our next example. This

1222
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: is an Israeli journalist, Shimone Ricklin. He says, I am

1223
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: for the war crimes. I don't care if I am criticized,

1224
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: and I honestly don't care. He goes on, I am

1225
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: unable to sleep if I don't see houses being destroyed

1226
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: in Gaza. What can I say? More and more and more,

1227
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: more houses, more buildings. I want to see more of

1228
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 1: them destroyed. I want there to be nothing for them

1229
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,959
Speaker 1: to return to. In the Torah, it says they must

1230
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: return to the salt of the earth, and they must complain.

1231
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: This is why we cannot reach a solution. And that

1232
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: is what war crimes mean to me. So I'm for

1233
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: the war crimes.

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00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1235
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate the honesty, actually, and this is something we've

1236
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: talked about, something Daryl Cooper talks about. The far right

1237
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: in Israel has always been much more upfront about the

1238
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: project they're engaged in, about what their goals are, about

1239
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: what they actually want, and I think this man is

1240
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: being very honest about his perspective.

1241
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 3: Here.

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00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: By the way, someone pointed out and I confirmed he's

1243
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: wearing a pin there in that segment, it's a stern

1244
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: Gang pin. So to give people a little bit of

1245
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: the sense of the history here. In the early days

1246
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: of the sort of like colonial period of the founding

1247
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: of the state of Israel, there were a number of militias.

1248
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: The large ones were Haganah, which was the more like

1249
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: labor affiliated one. There, Goon which then becomes Lacud, and

1250
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: our Gun was already, like you know, they committed all

1251
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: kinds of terrorist decks. They were already very far right.

1252
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: The stern Gang was the ones that were to the

1253
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: right of them. They called themselves terrorists. They referred to

1254
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: themselves as terrorists. They actually sought to come to some

1255
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: sort of an ally ship with Nazi Germany because they

1256
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: thought the Nazis were less of a threat to Jews

1257
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: than Britain. So they sought multiple times to come to

1258
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: some sort of a deal and accommodation with Hitler and

1259
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: the Nazis. They advocated for mass expulsion of all Arabs

1260
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: from Palestine and from Jordan. Their publications openly talked about

1261
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: a Jewish master race, contrasting the Jews with Arabs, who

1262
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: were seen as a.

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Speaker 5: Nation of slaves.

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Speaker 1: So that's the pin that he's wearing as he says

1265
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: that he's for the war crimes.

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00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1267
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's kind of like Ukraine where they

1268
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: ought honesty around these countries and there, what is it

1269
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 2: the honesty around their countries and their political constituencies and

1270
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 2: who matters and who has power with the neo Nazis.

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00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of people here just simply don't

1272
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 2: want to acknowledge it. And that's the issue, is that

1273
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: you can separate this easily from the state, from its

1274
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 2: people and from what is actually has support. But you're

1275
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: right in this that if Palestinians or Arabs and all

1276
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 2: those words, well, i mean look, also you can go

1277
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: find those videos too if you want, about Arabs and

1278
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 2: Ammas leaders and all those saying that about Jews. But

1279
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 2: you're right in that there is a lot of disparate

1280
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 2: coverage in the way that it ends up showing up

1281
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 2: in our discourse, especially amongst our elected officials.

1282
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 3: Oh for sure.

1283
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 8: True.

1284
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: So let's go next to we met this woman before.

1285
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: Her name is Daniell o Weiss. She is the head

1286
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: of a Zionist settler movement, and she was interviewed by

1287
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: Isaac Chatner previously, she's the one that said effectively like, yeah,

1288
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: we're building the settlements because the US and others want

1289
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: there to be a Palestine state. We don't want there

1290
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: to be a Palestinian state. And then she said, it

1291
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: is a very very simple thing to understand. Again, honest

1292
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Let's go and put her up on the

1293
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: screen about what she wants to happen in Gaza. So

1294
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: she says, Gaza must be a rased so that the settlers.

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01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 5: Can see the sea.

1296
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: She goes on, the situation needs to end what we

1297
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: did in northern Gaza. We must do it south of Gaza,

1298
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: evacuating Gaza of Arabs and building Jewish settlements in all

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01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: of Gaza.

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Speaker 5: So making it pretty.

1301
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: Pretty clear here, she says the settlers they want to

1302
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: see the sea, and in order to see the sea,

1303
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: all homes in Gaza must be destroyed.

1304
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 5: There are no homes or Arabs left in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: This, she says, is a logical and romantic demand. That

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Speaker 1: is her perspective is that Gaza should be you know,

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Speaker 1: the parking lot image of Gaza. And again just laying

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Speaker 1: it out here, what she has an idea of what

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Speaker 1: she wants the day after conversation to be like, and

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Speaker 1: you wonder why NATANYAHUO is so like reluctant to come

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Speaker 1: forward with what his plan is. It's because people like

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Speaker 1: her are a important part of his electoral coalition, of

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Speaker 1: his governing.

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Speaker 3: Cold incredibly important.

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Speaker 2: As Glenn points out, Israelis, when speaking in Hebrew, are

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Speaker 2: often more candid and truthful about the real goals in

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01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 2: Gaza than their American supporters, and both parties are. And

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Speaker 2: this is the settler issue is one that has been

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Speaker 2: long condemned by bipartisan administrations here in Washington. It's against

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Speaker 2: our official posture from the State Department. It's so much

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Speaker 2: so that President Biden even proposed sanctions or entry delay

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01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 2: on people who espouse this or have been involved in

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Speaker 2: violence from entering the United States. But you know, the

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01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: political circumstances right now the time are basically like are

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Speaker 2: you with them or are you not with them? And

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Speaker 2: I just don't know why it's so difficult to even

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01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 2: parse through this and just be like, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: definitely you think it's horrible what happened on October seventh.

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Speaker 2: I definitely think Hamos needs to go. I think your

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01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 2: military strategy is bad. I think some elements of your

1331
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 2: society are totally out of control, and you should probably

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Speaker 2: you know, do something about that at the very least

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Speaker 2: just for international cooperation perspective. I also think this is

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Speaker 2: why Netanyahu's position is just so terrible, both for Israel

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Speaker 2: and really for the long term prospects of the nation,

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Speaker 2: is because by fusing himself with the state, he has

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Speaker 2: made it here in this country too, such that criticism

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Speaker 2: of him is being called anti Semitic. Well, a lot

1339
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 2: of people are just gonna be like, Okay, I'll take

1340
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 2: that trade because I disagree entirely that erodes long term support.

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Speaker 2: And then saying here where if he's so politically held

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Speaker 2: by these people in his political constituency, then how exactly

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Speaker 2: are we supposed to ever see this come to an end?

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Speaker 3: That's my problem.

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Speaker 5: And Danielle is not alone.

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Speaker 1: Put the last the tear sheet that we have at

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Speaker 1: the end. Put this up in the screen. She's not

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Speaker 1: alone in wanting to destroy all of Gaza and destroy

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Speaker 1: all of the homes. This was an Israeli politician on

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Speaker 1: the radio is David Azuli, the head of the town

1351
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: of Matula in northern Israel. He called on Israel to

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Speaker 1: forcibly eject Palestinians in Gaza to Lebanon, flatten the besieged

1353
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: enclave and turn into a museum, just like in Auschwitz,

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Speaker 1: the of course concentration camp in Poland. Quote after October seventh,

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01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: instead of urging people to go south, we should direct

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Speaker 1: them to the beaches. The Navy can transport them to

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Speaker 1: the shores of Lebanon, where there are already sufficient refugee camps.

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Speaker 1: Then a security strip should be established from the seat

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Speaker 1: of the Gaza border fence, completely empty, as a reminder

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Speaker 1: of what was once there. It should resemble the Auschwitz

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Speaker 1: concentration camp. Of course, one point one million people, one

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Speaker 1: million of which were Jews, were killed by Nazi Germany

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Speaker 1: in that concentration camp, and that's what he is saying

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Speaker 1: he wants to see.

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Speaker 2: It was interesting, actually, as Auschwitz came out with a

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Speaker 2: statement they say memory of victims of Auschwitz has at

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Speaker 2: times violated and instrumentalized. In various statements, David appears to

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Speaker 2: wish to use a symbol of the largest cemetery in

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Speaker 2: the world to some sort of sick, hateful, pseudo artistic

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Speaker 2: symbolic expression calling for acts that seemed to transgress any civil, wartime,

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Speaker 2: moral or human laws that may sound as a call

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Speaker 2: from murder of the scale at kind Auschwitz puts the

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Speaker 2: whole honest world face to face with a madness that

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Speaker 2: must be confronted and firmly rejected. We do hope is

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Speaker 2: really a thority will react to such a shameful abuse,

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01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 2: as terrorism can never be a response to terrorism. I

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Speaker 2: thought that was pretty significant to come from the Auschwitz

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Speaker 2: memorial itself. Who they do not. I also want to

1379
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 2: make it clear they basically just protect the legacy of Alshroth.

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Speaker 2: They are not political in any way. They only come

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01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 2: out when people either mistakenly refer to Auschwitz or use

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Speaker 2: it in this context.

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Speaker 5: I want something else to be turned in protect.

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01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 2: The memory of the people who all died there. And

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Speaker 2: if you ever get the chance, I highly recommend that

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Speaker 2: people go and visit or any of the concentration campsites

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Speaker 2: in Poland in order to get a view, to see

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Speaker 2: it for yourself, and also to understand where they are

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Speaker 2: coming from too. And I really do respect them for

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Speaker 2: coming out and seeing.

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Speaker 3: Something like that.

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Speaker 1: The last one saga I thought you would enjoy, in

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Speaker 1: particular because this is the girl Boss Israeli minister. This

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Speaker 1: is the woman who is the Israeli Minister for the

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01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: advancement of the status of women. So a little bit

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Speaker 1: of identity politics being played here by the net Yahoo government.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what this enlightened liberal feminist has to say

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Speaker 1: about what she wants to see.

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Speaker 5: And God, I don't care about Gaza.

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Speaker 3: I literally don't care. For all I care.

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Speaker 5: They can go out and swim in the sea. I

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01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 5: want to see dead bodies of terrorists. Who oh, there

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Speaker 5: you go, there you go.

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Speaker 1: The last thing I'll say on this saga of why

1405
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: I think these things are important too is because there

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01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: is a long, multi decade attempt to paint Palestinians as

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01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: the soul obstacle to peace. There is no doubt that

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Speaker 1: extremists on the Palestinian side have blocked, for example, the

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Speaker 1: Oslo Accords, have been opposed to it, have sought to

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Speaker 1: undermine it. But when you hear these comments, and when

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Speaker 1: you read the Likud party charter, which talks about from

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01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: the river to the seat, when you see Natan Yahoo

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01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: bragging about thwarting a Palestinian state and saying, hey, you

1414
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: got to stick with me if you want to block

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Speaker 1: a Palestinian state forever. This provides some context of the

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Speaker 1: type of viewpoints and analysis that are not just present,

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Speaker 1: but quite dominant in his political coalition, which is governing

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01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: the state of is right now. And if you're not

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01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: dealing with that, if you're not reckoning with that, then

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01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: you're just living in a complete fantasy land and the

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01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: results you're going to get are going to match the like,

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01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: you know, total disconnect from reality that you're working with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is another issue I have too with a

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01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 2: lot of older politicians and even people who don't understand

1425
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 2: the country is they use Biden in particularly lives in

1426
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 2: like a gold in my are Israel.

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Speaker 3: It's like bro, that's been less fifty years away.

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Speaker 2: And look, America's changed a lot in fifty years, but

1429
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 2: not even close to as much. Is the amount of

1430
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 2: demographic change that they have had versus what we've had

1431
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 2: actually makes our immigration problems look very different, just in

1432
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 2: terms of their make up, their politics where things have gone.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's actually one of the bigger problems

1434
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 2: that we face in this is that people may have

1435
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: gone in the nineties or in the eighties.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I see this a lot with India.

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Speaker 2: For example, a lot of people who immigrated to the

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Speaker 2: United States from India in the eighties have this idea

1439
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 2: of India as like this led by the Nehrus and

1440
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 2: the Congress Party, and then they go back and they're like,

1441
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 2: what the hell is going on here? I'm like, Yeah,

1442
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 2: the country changed all lot and ever since you left.

1443
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,479
Speaker 2: It turns out that when there's a new party in town,

1444
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 2: the entire civic understanding of the country change in a

1445
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: single generation.

1446
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't really happen here, but it.

1447
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 2: Does happen in the rest of the world all the time,

1448
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 2: and so you have to update your understanding of that.

1449
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 2: And that's something that a lot of politicians refuse to do,

1450
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 2: even though we're living in twenty twenty three.

1451
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 3: And you can go watch it all for yourself if.

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Speaker 5: You care too.

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01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing, is this whole freak own

1455
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: about like oh my god, the kids on TikTok, like

1456
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: their views are so different, Like yeah, because these videos

1457
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: are getting views on TikTok.

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Speaker 3: And they have no.

1459
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 2: Individual understanding of the time period I'm talking about. Because

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01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 2: I'm even just on the cusp of like I remember

1461
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 2: the aud barocks and all those other people who were

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Speaker 2: in charge. But the vast majority of my life has

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01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 2: been spent under this type, and I can vaguely remember

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Speaker 2: some of it.

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01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're ten years younger than me, you

1466
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 3: can't remember forget any of that. Yeah, it doesn't even exist.

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Speaker 1: That's very true. That's a very good point. All right,

1468
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: all right, let's move on to other threats to democracy.

1469
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: We discussed the concern about Trump's name being taken off

1470
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: the ballot in Colorado.

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Speaker 5: Well, the DNC many they're just the same thing.

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01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they're just not even hiding that they

1473
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: want to cancel democracy. In terms of the Democratic primary,

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01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: we've got more states that have just decided. Even though

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01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: we've got Dean Phellows, we've got Mary and Williams, and

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01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 1: we also have Jank hugre Eve. Though there's you know,

1477
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: constitutional questions around his bid, he does have opponents, and

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01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 1: they're just canceling primaries in states with no real reason.

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01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen. This is from Mary Anne.

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01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,799
Speaker 1: She says the DNC is at it again. We discovered

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01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: the Massachusetts Democratic Party intends to include only Joe Biden

1482
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: as their primary candidate on the Massachusetts ballot. She goes

1483
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: on to say that the dumb chair there is misplaced

1484
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: attempt at protecting Joe Biden rob's Massachusetts Democrats of their

1485
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: voice and choice in the upcoming election. This action is

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01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 1: a flagrant violation of DANC rules and process.

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Speaker 5: She goes on to.

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01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:53,919
Speaker 1: Explain, I want to read this because this is specific

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Speaker 1: to the Massachusetts process. She says, I've actively campaigned in Massachusetts.

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01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: The Secretary of State has a discretion to include FEC

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01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: filed candidates who have received national media coverage, which I have,

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01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 1: she definitely has. We hope Secretary of the Commonwealth will

1493
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: protect Massachusetts voters from that state's attempt at circumventing democracy.

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01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: Massachusetts not alone. Let's put this up on the screen.

1495
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: These are the states now that have just said we're

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01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 1: just going to anoint Joe Biden, don't want to hear

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01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: from the voters, don't want to even get them to

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01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: give them a chance, or you know, cast about, don't

1499
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: even want to pretend like we're doing anything other than

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01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 1: just giving Joe Biden our full support. Tennessee, North Carolina, Massachusetts,

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01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: and as we had.

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01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:35,759
Speaker 5: Covered before, Florida.

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01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: So this is pretty wild, Like Democrats claim to be

1504
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: wanting to protect democracy, and they're running to protect democracy,

1505
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,639
Speaker 1: et cetera. I mean, this is without any sort of recourse,

1506
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: no court process whatsoever. Just we're not going to have

1507
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: a contest, So we're.

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01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 2: Not going to happen because Biden is winning by seventy

1509
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 2: percent in the primary.

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01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 3: So why don't you just let that go? Why don't

1511
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 3: you just let the vote happen.

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01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 2: He can get seventy five percent, he can get be

1513
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 2: coordinated out after he won the election. There's no reason

1514
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 2: to even do it. It's just to set the precedent

1515
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 2: of like nobody is allowed to dismis at all. The

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01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 2: last national poll I saw only add Marianne at thirteen

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01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 2: percent and Dean Phillips five So it's.

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Speaker 3: Like, why do you even care? Yeah, why do you care?

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01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:13,679
Speaker 3: I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it seems preposterous that they would be worried.

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01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: But I do think that they feel more fragility than

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01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: they probably should, just because you know, they see the

1523
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: polls of people overwhelmingly like we want another choice?

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01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 5: Is there another choice?

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01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: And so I think they're fearful that if there's a

1526
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: recognition that, oh, you actually do have other options and

1527
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: there is an actual way of like, all right, well

1528
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: who are the candidates and what do I think? And

1529
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: do I want to go in another direction? I think

1530
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: they're very fearful of that dynamic playing out, and so

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01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: that's where these incredibly heavy handed tactics come in. And

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01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 1: let's not forget also, I mean there have been heavy

1533
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: handed tactics from the beginning, just in terms of rearranging

1534
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: the primary states to front load the ones that Joe

1535
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: Biden feels most secure in South Carolina first and foremost.

1536
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 1: Now that's created some problems for him. Actually a New

1537
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: Hampshire which has in there. I think I don't know

1538
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: if it's a law or constitution that they have to

1539
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: be the first in the nation primer. They're going forward

1540
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:10,560
Speaker 1: with it. Joe Biden is not going to be on

1541
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: the ballot. There's like a writing campaign for him, but

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01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: that actually created more of a risk for him than

1543
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: there would have been. So in a certain way, their

1544
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: heavy handed tactics have kind of like backfired. It's manifesting

1545
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 1: the thing that they're terrified of. Dean Phillips weighed in

1546
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 1: on this as well. Man, there have been some hatchet

1547
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: jobs on Dean Phillips lately too. We're going to get

1548
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: into that in a minute. His caucus, his fellow caucus

1549
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: members are furious with him.

1550
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 5: It's stepping out on of line.

1551
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: He says, Democrats cannot be the party of democracy while

1552
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: shamelessly suppressing it.

1553
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 5: President Biden.

1554
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: Party leaders must be on the record about whether they

1555
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 1: support the suppression of Democrats. No wonder Americans under thirty

1556
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: plan to vote for Trump over Biden by six points.

1557
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look good for him, and he is

1558
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,600
Speaker 2: kind of laying it all out on the line we

1559
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 2: should highlight. I think this probably gets to what you're

1560
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 2: talking about, is that they don't want any outlet, especially now,

1561
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 2: for some of the anger over Biden.

1562
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 3: You found this particular clip.

1563
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 2: NBC News interviewed some young voters who said that they

1564
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:06,759
Speaker 2: won't vote for Biden.

1565
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen. Do you plan on voting for

1566
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,799
Speaker 3: him this time? Laura, No, No, not anymore.

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01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 9: The twenty three year old was part of the surgeon

1568
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 9: young voters in the liberal Dane County that helped Biden

1569
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 9: flip the battleground state three years ago. He's now angry

1570
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,799
Speaker 9: at the President over his support for Israel's invasion of Gaza.

1571
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 5: He is allowing this war to happen and is funding

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01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 5: this war.

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01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 3: I don't know what will happen if I don't vote

1574
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 3: for him, but I know it won't be me supporting that.

1575
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 10: On climate, on COVID responses, tell his and his administration,

1576
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 10: we're doing really great work. But I think after October seventh,

1577
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 10: the question became a matter of human rights.

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01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 2: Interesting, yeah, so on Israel, But you know, there's a

1579
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 2: lot of other reasons. You're already seeing some discontent I

1580
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 2: think on student loans or for example, that was just

1581
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 2: on the left. So these people who think, I think

1582
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 2: theyll probably vote for Cornell West or something, or maybe

1583
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 2: it's not vote period, which is a totally fine choice,

1584
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 2: I think.

1585
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: I think voting is probably the most likely scenario. But

1586
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: I mean that is the reality is outside of the

1587
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 1: Democratic primary, they are likely to have other.

1588
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 5: Choices on the ballad.

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01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: I just saw Quinnipiac pole come out, and the numbers

1590
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 1: with eighteen to thirty four year olds are pretty stunning.

1591
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: So Biden is at thirty three percent with eighteen to

1592
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: thirty four year olds in this Quinnipiac poll. Trump is

1593
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:28,799
Speaker 1: at twenty rfk Junior is at twenty four but Cornell

1594
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 1: West is at six, Jill Stein's at ten.

1595
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 3: Wow.

1596
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, and you know it was also interesting to

1597
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: me Black voters in this poll. So you have sixty

1598
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: one percent, think about that, with this supposedly rock solid

1599
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: constituency only quote unquote sixty one percent back in Biden,

1600
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: four percent backing Trump, fifteen percent with RFK Junior, ten

1601
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 1: percent with Cornell West, nine percent with Jill Stein. So

1602
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,839
Speaker 1: people do have other outlets if they just cannot stomach

1603
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 1: what they are watching unfold before their eyes in Gaza,

1604
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 1: with our full support and backing our bombs stamp made

1605
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: in America being dropped on these babies and these children.

1606
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 1: They have other options. And so you know, I mean,

1607
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: you have people in the Biden campaign who pre presumably

1608
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 1: know how to read a poll and see the way

1609
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: that I'm sure it's not one hundred percent because of Israel,

1610
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 1: but the time period in which support among young people

1611
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: has fallen off a cliff corresponds very closely with October

1612
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: seventh and what has unfolded since then. You know, they

1613
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: have to realize this is a gigantic issue with them

1614
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: for them, and you know what they're hoping is I

1615
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 1: was thinking about this after we had our conversation about

1616
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: Trump's like poisoning the blood comments or whatever.

1617
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 5: What they're hoping is that he says more stuff.

1618
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: Like that and people go, you know what, I got it, Like,

1619
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: this guy is just too terrible that I got to

1620
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: vote for. I gotta stuck it up and vote for Joe.

1621
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: That's what they're hoping for. But remember they have to

1622
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,640
Speaker 1: basically like run the table on that. They have to

1623
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 1: get everybody to make that calculation and not bail out

1624
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: and vote for you know, Coronel West or Jill Stein

1625
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: or someone else that's on the ballot. And I just

1626
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 1: don't know if that works this time around now. To

1627
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 1: make the countercase, In that New York Times Siena poll

1628
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: that we covered, it was interesting because among registered voters,

1629
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: Trump had a lead. Among likely voters, so they apply

1630
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: their like likely voter screen, they actually had Biden with

1631
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: an edge of two and among people who voted in

1632
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, who like actually voted in twenty twenty, and

1633
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 1: especially among people who voted in twenty twenty two, Biden

1634
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: had a huge lead. So among people who are the

1635
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 1: more reliable voters, his calculation is basically working out. So

1636
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: in any case, we'll see, But you know, I think

1637
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: it does expose part of why they're engaging these very

1638
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 1: heavy handed tactics, even though you would think that he

1639
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: would look at these poles where he's up tremendously and

1640
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: be like, Oh, I've got this, it's nothing to worry.

1641
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1642
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,759
Speaker 2: I think it more is about denying an escape valve

1643
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 2: of some kind for any of the discontent that's been brewing.

1644
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 2: Now that's right for some time, and that's fundamentally that's

1645
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 2: very undemocratic.

1646
01:15:57,439 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 1: The last thing I wanted to show you I mentioned

1647
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: this like absolute hatchet job on Dean Phillips, who you know,

1648
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: I think for people in DC, Democrats in DC, like,

1649
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 1: it's one thing for a Marian Williamson, it's one thing

1650
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 1: for a Jank Huger.

1651
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 5: They're outside the system.

1652
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 1: They already see them as basically like traitors to the cause, right,

1653
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: so when they jump in the race, that's one thing.

1654
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 1: But for Dean Phillips, this like centristy, normy Democrat who

1655
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: is an elected member of Congress to come out and

1656
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: run against Joe Biden. Apparently people have a lot of

1657
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 1: feelings about that. Put this up on the screen. This

1658
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: is from Axios Here are some of the on the

1659
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: record quotes that they got from his fellow party members

1660
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: in Congress. Representative Robert Garcia called phillips campaign a total joke,

1661
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: very disrespectful of the president and the party, saying he's

1662
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 1: torched his reputation. Steny Hoyer, Dean Phillips is not going

1663
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: to win any primary. I think he's not helpful to

1664
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 1: the country. Sidney Camlon, jay Do Dove.

1665
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 5: I don't know. I brutalized that. Sorry, Sidney.

1666
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: He seems to be taking a page out of the

1667
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: Trump playbook. It makes me wonder if he's a real Democrat.

1668
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: One senior House Democrat describe the feeling toward Phillips within

1669
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: the Democratic Caucus as pure hatred, saying many members are

1670
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: pissed about his attacks on Biden, and you know where

1671
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 1: this energy comes from, Sager. It's embarrassing to them.

1672
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 3: Yes, it is, because he's right.

1673
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: He's right that Joe Biden is a terrible candidate, that

1674
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: they are risking the party in the country's future by

1675
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 1: staying lockstep behind him. His criticisms of Joe Biden are

1676
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: by and large accurate, and they feel humiliated that he

1677
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,839
Speaker 1: actually has the guts to say it and to actually

1678
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: do something about it, while they just sit there, you know,

1679
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 1: snibbling and privately like being worried about how the election

1680
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: is going to go, but totally unwilling to step on

1681
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 1: the line.

1682
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 2: I think it will be. I think it's yeah, I

1683
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 2: mean that bad. It also shows you how much of

1684
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 2: a risk it was for him. I still don't quite

1685
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 2: understand it, given the fact that he also he's not

1686
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 2: even going to run for Congress anymore. Maybe he was

1687
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 2: just done and he wants to plant a flag and

1688
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 2: he genuinely who believes it. So more power to him.

1689
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 2: But it shows you too, like when you're in the

1690
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 2: system and you violate the tenets of it by speaking

1691
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 2: out the basic truth even though it knows everybody's true,

1692
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 2: they will come out and they will absolutly destroy your life.

1693
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 2: You won't even be able to get a lobbyist job

1694
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 2: after this. I hope he's rich. I don't know what

1695
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 2: his personal network is.

1696
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 1: Rich Okay, good, he was rich, so he does have

1697
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 1: a safety net there. But listen, I want to give

1698
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 1: him credit, and I don't even really care.

1699
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know him, you know, I thought.

1700
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 1: It was we had a feisty exchange, but I thought

1701
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: he was like perfectly, you know, nice and seems like

1702
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: a genuine human being when I met, But I don't

1703
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: even really care about his intentions.

1704
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 5: Good for him.

1705
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 1: It takes courage to do this, and we've seen how

1706
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: hard it is to go against the people that you're

1707
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 1: working with day in and day out, and.

1708
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 5: He actually did it, So kudos to him.

1709
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: We can have a disagreement about policies and back and forth,

1710
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: although I will say, you just signed on to Medicare

1711
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: for all, which I was happy.

1712
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 5: That was interesting, interesting and happy to know.

1713
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 1: But you know, we need to see more of that

1714
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: willingness to step out of line from these just like archaic, sclerotic,

1715
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: broken party systems that have completely done a disservice to

1716
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 1: American public.

1717
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, all right, soryery looking at well.

1718
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 2: There's been a massive debate in this country in the

1719
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 2: last few weeks over the Ivy League, especially after the

1720
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 2: university presidents refused to say calling for the genocide against

1721
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 2: Jews did not per se violate student code of conduct.

1722
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 2: The debate has a couple of elements. First is the

1723
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 2: free speech implication as to whether such a statement should

1724
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 2: constitute harassment. The second is about hypocrisy of these institutions,

1725
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 2: unquestionably if they would have course answered in the affirmative

1726
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 2: if the group was, say, black people or trans people. Now,

1727
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 2: those who have watched this show already know what I think.

1728
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 2: I think their answers were actually correct. I think I

1729
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 2: don't think any statement should be barred within a First

1730
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 2: Amendment framework unless it does go in the direction of

1731
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 2: actually targeting an individual student. That point should be that

1732
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 2: the entire diversity, equity and inclusion regime, though, is illegitimate

1733
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 2: and dumb, that no group of people period should be

1734
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 2: quote unquote protected. A new front has now emerged in

1735
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 2: this war to get these presidents fired, and that is

1736
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 2: going after the academic credentials themselves of Harvard President Claudine Gay.

1737
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 3: Now.

1738
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 2: Almost immediately after the hearing controversy, the Washington Freebeacon's Aaron

1739
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 2: Siberian reported that significant portions of Claudiine Gay's entire thesis

1740
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 2: appeared to have been copied and entire paragraphs from other

1741
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 2: academic work claimed as her own. Now, despite the frankly

1742
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 2: pretty good evidence that she did in fact commit plagiarism

1743
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 2: in her thesis, the exact act which many Harvard students

1744
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 2: have now been expelled for Over the years, Harvard has

1745
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 2: stood by her. They don't want to bow to the

1746
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 2: cancellation mob. This has only since heightened the effort to

1747
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 2: review her academic record. More recent examples actually show further

1748
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 2: the extent of the alleged plagiarism within her thesis. The

1749
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 2: Free Beacon again reports an official academic report has now

1750
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:54,719
Speaker 2: been filed against Claudine Gay with the Harvard Research Integrity Office,

1751
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:58,759
Speaker 2: detailing over forty cases of alleged plagiarism. The funniest case

1752
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 2: actually is that Gay appears to have lifted entirely a

1753
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 2: section of acknowledgments in her thesis from someone else's dedication.

1754
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 2: But this is where I actually want to stop for

1755
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 2: a moment and make a point to try and connect

1756
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 2: it back to the free speech and debate.

1757
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 3: The entire so.

1758
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 2: Called plagiarism scandal is itself a smokescreen. The problem with

1759
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 2: her is not that she is an imperfect academic. It's

1760
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 2: that her entire brand of academia is a farce and

1761
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 2: a fiction. As I jokingly remarked on Twitter or x

1762
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 2: as the latest have called it. When this scandal hit

1763
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 2: it's impossible to plagiarize when your entire discipline is fake.

1764
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 2: Gay herself is an original of the anti racist school

1765
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 2: of thought. Her entire thesis is racial Gobbledegook that I

1766
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 2: had to go through talking about taking charge black electoral

1767
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 2: successes in the Redefinition of American politics. It's written in

1768
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, and the entire document is basically dedicated

1769
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 2: to making the case of quotas and legislators and judges

1770
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 2: who are black in some sort of older school justification

1771
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 2: for DEI and affirmative action decisions made in the post

1772
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty five era. Really, the point I want to

1773
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 2: make is this, The problem isn't the integrity of the

1774
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 2: academic work, just the work itself is bad. Gay herself

1775
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 2: is the poster child of everything that's actually gone wrong

1776
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 2: with Harvard. She is not a real academic. Instead, she

1777
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 2: previously was the dean of harvard Faculty of Arts and

1778
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 2: Sciences program, where they promoted her to president. This is

1779
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 2: how they bragged about her accomplishments.

1780
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 3: Quote.

1781
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:26,560
Speaker 2: She created an expansive initiative on inequality in America. Oversaw

1782
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 2: hires intended to bolster Harvard's offering in the areas of

1783
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 2: climate change and ethnic studies, and sanctioned several well known

1784
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 2: professors accused of sexual harassment without due process by the way.

1785
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 2: In other words, she was a BLM Hall monitor, as

1786
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 2: proven by her statements August of twenty twenty, when she

1787
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 2: was the DEI Dean at Harvard, she said, our engagement

1788
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 2: and anti racist action and the infusion of inclusive practices

1789
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 2: into all aspects of our teaching and research mission reflect

1790
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 2: a new sense of institutional responsibility and requires sustained effort

1791
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 2: over time. So again I have a message to those

1792
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 2: who are involved in this fight. The problem is not

1793
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 2: Claudine Gay. The problem is the whole system. If you

1794
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 2: want further proof of destructive ideology and how it goes

1795
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 2: through these institutions, consider, as my friend has pointed out,

1796
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 2: all seven of the Colorado justices who ruled on the

1797
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 2: Trump ballot were appointed by Democrats. The only thing that

1798
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 2: distinguishes the four who ruled to remove Trump is that

1799
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 2: they all attended the Ivy League for law school. The

1800
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 2: three who descended are Denver law graduates. We have two

1801
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 2: ways that we can go in this moment. You understand

1802
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 2: the destructive effect of elite systems themselves that produces and

1803
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 2: promotes Claudine Gay's or you try to get a scalp

1804
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 2: in the name of guarding against fake accusations of anti Semitism,

1805
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 2: Bill Ackman and as people want the latter, and I

1806
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 2: want the former, and I think it's time to very

1807
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 2: much reframe the entire message around this. I'm curious what

1808
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:51,919
Speaker 2: you make of this, Crystal. I've been very annoyed because

1809
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 2: I feel like people are becoming fake hall monitors and

1810
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 2: they're like, well, she didn't improperly, and like, I don't

1811
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,120
Speaker 2: care about that, that's not the problem. It's like with

1812
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 2: the genocide comment, it's like, oh, so now we're supposed

1813
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 2: to put Jews in the marginalization category. This is all

1814
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 2: this is an invented scandal in my opinion. So it's like,

1815
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 2: if you want to criticize DEI and go after the system.

1816
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 3: And all that, I'm all on board. But unfortunately I

1817
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 3: don't really see a lot of that.

1818
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, that's why I'm so it's.

1819
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: Just very clear that the people like Chris Rofo, who

1820
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: are most associated with opposition to quote unquote DEI or

1821
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: identity politics, like now that it's a different group, they

1822
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 1: don't actually have like consistent principles. And Rufo was very

1823
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 1: open and up front about the way that he wanted

1824
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 1: to plant this plagiarism story in mainstream media. He actually tweeted,

1825
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 1: we launched the Claudiine gay plagiarism story from the right.

1826
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 1: The next step is to smuggle it into the media

1827
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:46,639
Speaker 1: apparatus at the left, legitimizing the narrative to center left

1828
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 1: actors who have the power to topple her then squeeze.

1829
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 5: So just so you know, you do have to give

1830
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 5: it to overw listen.

1831
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,919
Speaker 1: Maybe so okay, but you know, the plagiarism stuff is legitimate,

1832
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 1: and so I guess you know, even though it came

1833
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 1: from a bad place, we should still look at it.

1834
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: But just be aware it's not like this is like

1835
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,799
Speaker 1: a good faith attempt to ensure academic integrity. They're pissed

1836
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 1: off that she said, no, Actually, if you are pro

1837
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 1: Palestinian and you you know, are out of march or

1838
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,440
Speaker 1: you're doing a chant or whatever, and you're not harassing

1839
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: or bullying or hurting anyone, you have a right to

1840
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 1: do that. She stood up for free speech in the

1841
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,679
Speaker 1: way that conservatives have been asking these presidents who stand

1842
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: up for free speech, and the minute that it was

1843
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: a group that they had a different feeling about, they

1844
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: turn on a dime. So that's where this whole conversation

1845
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 1: comes from. And I think it's very important for people

1846
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 1: to understand the context with which these charges are being left.

1847
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 2: This is my thing too, just for re understand. It's

1848
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 2: about principles and systems. If you want to talk and

1849
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,640
Speaker 2: critique about them, that's fine, but trying to work in

1850
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 2: this individual way especially. Look, you know, I respect some

1851
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 2: of Chris Rufoe's work, but part of the problem I

1852
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 2: have is that he's willing to sign on, you know,

1853
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,640
Speaker 2: to somebody like Acman, where I don't think Acmen is

1854
01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 2: even working towards the same end at all. I mean,

1855
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 2: Roofe look to be transparent, has always been after DEI

1856
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 2: he's just a lot more I guess, like politically savvy.

1857
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 5: I can't he but not on this one.

1858
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 1: Well, I mean he wants he wants Jewish people to

1859
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: have a special car amount where it's the rules are different.

1860
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 1: I mean that's why he's going after Actually I.

1861
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 3: Don't think he does.

1862
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 2: I think he thinks Acman and this last crusade is

1863
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 2: a useful idiot, And this is a tactical defeat, and

1864
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 2: this is kind of what I was doing this.

1865
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:23,759
Speaker 1: So that's ridiculous because now you're just what you're pressuring

1866
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 1: is for someone to come in who is more censorious, right,

1867
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:28,639
Speaker 1: who was more committed to the things.

1868
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 5: That you supposedly oppose. So it's preposterous.

1869
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 2: I'm with you one hundred percent. They disagree with me.

1870
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 2: They're like, any scalp is good. It just shows the

1871
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 2: system that they have to you know, it's like a

1872
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 2: fuck around and find I guess we're behind the paywall.

1873
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 2: Fuck around and fire out and find out that you

1874
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 2: can do that. I don't think that's going to happen

1875
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 2: at all. I think in that result will be worse.

1876
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 2: They just their tactical thing is like is if you

1877
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 2: can get a scalp and you can show that the

1878
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 2: right has power, then they'll try and you know, come

1879
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 2: to us.

1880
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, what has that power? What has that power gotten them?

1881
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: What it's gotten them is more like pro censorship wins.

1882
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: Then the left was ever able to accomplish. I mean,

1883
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 1: they did more to enshrine and guarantee there will be

1884
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: more censorship on college campuses, and you know, the next

1885
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 1: time that a college student feels unsafe for whatever, that

1886
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: they'll have more avenues to pursue that that's what they're

1887
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 1: winning here.

1888
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 3: I only it's fair to say than the left is

1889
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 3: ever accomplished.

1890
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, do you think that anti semitism which bad

1891
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 2: as what happened here?

1892
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,879
Speaker 1: Just given what happened here, these presidents they instantly caved

1893
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 1: the minute that there was a backlash to them, saying, well,

1894
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 1: actually the context of the speech matters, and no, if

1895
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,879
Speaker 1: it's not bullying or harassment, like that was the right answer.

1896
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 1: And so even after BLM and the left and whatever whatever,

1897
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 1: these presidents actually have the right answer on free speech,

1898
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 1: and that's gone now they all capitulated.

1899
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 2: I would put it this way, is that I still

1900
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 2: do believe that it absolutely is the case if you

1901
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 2: said that about Blacker trans people, that you would be

1902
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:49,759
Speaker 2: gone at Harvard tomorrow.

1903
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 3: And also the fact.

1904
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 1: Is said, but said, what about blacker transport, because that's

1905
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 1: the other piece is it's not like anyone was calling

1906
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 1: for genocide. I agree, So it's preposterous.

1907
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but under the definition, if I say that little

1908
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 2: kids shouldn't be pluged full of hormones, they would be

1909
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,560
Speaker 2: like your anti trans and you're calling for a transgendistor.

1910
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 3: If I think you should ban eighteen year olds or anyone.

1911
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 1: On there, give me an example of that actually happening

1912
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 1: where someone said something that was uncomfortable. I mean, there

1913
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 1: may be examples of that, but in this instance, they

1914
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 1: gave the right answer that can be used then in

1915
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 1: other instant, Well, you said that this was the context here,

1916
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: so over here, now that someone is saying they're saying like,

1917
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 1: then you make them commit to the words that they've

1918
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,640
Speaker 1: already put out there. But to then demand censorship and

1919
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 1: the interest of well, you would have censored here, so

1920
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 1: I want you to censor across the board.

1921
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 5: That's stupid.

1922
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 3: I'm not even ridiculous. I agree with you completely.

1923
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 2: That's why I did this entire monologu because I'm like, guys,

1924
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 2: it's not about that, It's about the whole IVY League.

1925
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:40,759
Speaker 3: It's about this whole corrupt system.

1926
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 2: But and I don't think unfortunately, if they don't they

1927
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 2: care much about that, I would like to see things

1928
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 2: change completely.

1929
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:47,679
Speaker 3: We would move much more in the direction.

1930
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 2: Instead of having hearings about, for example, what is your

1931
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 2: code of conduct policy on anti Semitism, I'd be like, yeah,

1932
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 2: how much do you guys, how much money you guys make,

1933
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 2: and how much head funge dollars are moving around here?

1934
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 2: Maybe wish pay some taxes on that. That's what they

1935
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 2: actually fear, just so everybody knows in terms of going

1936
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 2: after profits. And hey, how come you guys have more

1937
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 2: administrators than you do students.

1938
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 3: That's pretty interesting.

1939
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 2: You're making these people completely bankrupt and you have no

1940
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 2: share in any of their futures.

1941
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 3: And yet you're all building.

1942
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should send you this from the Wall Street Journal.

1943
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 2: Do you know where all these new student dollars are

1944
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 2: going to? Granit countertops in dorm rooms?

1945
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 3: Now?

1946
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 2: I had one hundred year old dorm. It was such

1947
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 2: a piece of shit. And I'm not saying necessarily that's

1948
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Speaker 2: a good thing, but I mean the idea that everyone

1949
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 2: should go into deeper debt so that I could have

1950
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Speaker 2: slept in a nicer bedroom and had access to a

1951
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 2: lazy river and all these other student services is preposterous.

1952
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Speaker 2: So look, this is again a question about systems. What's

1953
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 2: upholding this entire thing? What real fights questions and all

1954
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:52,679
Speaker 2: of them are about and differences in tactics.

1955
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Speaker 3: So I do think we agree at least some.

1956
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

1957
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean this is like we may not agree

1958
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 1: on this part, but this is basically like capitalism applied

1959
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 1: to the universe system. The students become the customer they

1960
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 1: put into Why do they put it into place these

1961
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 1: parks to try to attract the student body that already

1962
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 1: has money. Why Because they're the ones and their parents

1963
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 1: who are more likely to give them more money for

1964
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Speaker 1: the university. That's the system that you're talking about. But

1965
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Speaker 1: you know, on the core level with all of this,

1966
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 1: I honestly I just want to say, I don't know

1967
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 1: if she's played.

1968
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Speaker 5: I didn't look at it.

1969
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 1: I literally haven't read the stories because to me, I

1970
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 1: can't get past the fact that there was this fake

1971
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:31,679
Speaker 1: outrage over things that students didn't even say with regard

1972
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 1: to genocide, and then you know, moments later they're backing

1973
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 1: dollars for bombs to be dropped on kids in what

1974
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,640
Speaker 1: many scholars are saying is actually a genocide. To me,

1975
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 1: I just can't get past that and what it says

1976
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:52,799
Speaker 1: about the insane priorities and like decrepit, ridiculous, absurd system

1977
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 1: of distraction that we have instead of any form of

1978
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: democracy or actual interest in.

1979
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 5: What would be good for the people.

1980
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 1: So I can't get past that part of the story

1981
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:05,679
Speaker 1: to even engage with like Chris Rufo's plagiarism thing.

1982
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 3: That's fair. I will say, CNN covered it and they

1983
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 3: even said the chief.

1984
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 5: That was his goal. He said, let me get this

1985
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,639
Speaker 5: into mainstream media and then we'll squeeze. So I guess it's.

1986
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:18,559
Speaker 1: Working got your quest for more censorship is working out.

1987
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 5: I hope you're happy.

1988
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Speaker 3: Let's move on, all right.

1989
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Speaker 2: So since this is the last show of the year,

1990
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 2: it's been a tough show already, Right, We've had debates,

1991
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:30,719
Speaker 2: we've had discussions, we've had disagreements. We had to find

1992
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 2: a way to wrap things up in a good direction.

1993
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Speaker 2: So last time we did the superlative section, we had

1994
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 2: it included some worse things and all that. But this

1995
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 2: time we decided, you know what, if you devolved into

1996
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 2: anything negative, it's just going to get a downer and

1997
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 2: why end the year on such a note. So everything

1998
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 2: from this moment forward is going to be a positive,

1999
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 2: superlative about something that happened this year. So first we're

2000
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:55,680
Speaker 2: doing best moment, Crystal, what.

2001
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 3: Do you got?

2002
01:31:56,240 --> 01:32:00,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, So for me, best moment of the year is

2003
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 1: when the UAW, after their historic stand up strike, was

2004
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 1: able to obtain extraordinary gains from all of the Big

2005
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 1: three automakers. It's now set off a wave of organizing

2006
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:17,720
Speaker 1: among automakers that are not currently unionized, including Tesla and

2007
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 1: perhaps the Cherry on Top. The sweetest moment of them

2008
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 1: all was when Jim Kramer, who had been trashing them,

2009
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 1: trashing the president Sean Fain as a Marxist, telling the

2010
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 1: car companies they should just ship all their jobs to Mexico,

2011
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 1: when even he was forced to admit that the auto

2012
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 1: workers had one.

2013
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:38,679
Speaker 5: Take a listen.

2014
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 8: I think that the UAW was underestimated, Paul Way, because

2015
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:46,719
Speaker 8: Fain just beat them everywhere. It was very much grill

2016
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 8: action was very smart. They were completely they were outgained

2017
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 8: at every turn. I mean it was almost like they

2018
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:57,799
Speaker 8: were and Fame was a great NFL coach who really

2019
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 8: figured out all the weaknesses the other team and just

2020
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 8: came in and blew them away.

2021
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 3: And they were blitzing. They were doing right.

2022
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 11: I mean they had like linebacker and squirter blitches and

2023
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 11: safety blitches, and you know they like the other guys

2024
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 11: like the like I love I love Farley and I

2025
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 11: love barring, you know, you know, and I think that

2026
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 11: they were wow what happened? They were in the wow

2027
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:20,759
Speaker 11: what happened?

2028
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 3: Camp?

2029
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 11: And when the game was over, it was just a

2030
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 11: real beatdown.

2031
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 5: Real beat down.

2032
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 1: I love at the beginning saga when he's like they

2033
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:32,760
Speaker 1: were underestimated. It's like by who by you more than

2034
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: anyone else? That goes unacknowledged though, but still beautiful to

2035
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 1: see them.

2036
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:36,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2037
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:39,799
Speaker 2: Mine is a good old fashioned, clean fun United America

2038
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 2: and hilarity and horror and shot and frout. And that

2039
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 2: was a congresswoman Loweren Bobert at Beetlejuice. I mean, who

2040
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 2: who cannot help but laugh at this woman just making

2041
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:52,879
Speaker 2: an utter and total fool of herself in public vaping,

2042
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 2: getting kicked out for groping her mate, then ign saying

2043
01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 2: and denying actually that she acted this way, forcing the

2044
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 2: employees at this theater to then leak the condemning video

2045
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 2: of this to local news.

2046
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 3: And this one went everywhere.

2047
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 2: It was all everyone's speed. It hit the normy start.

2048
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 2: I even dressed up as Beetlejuice for Halloween as a

2049
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:20,759
Speaker 2: tribute to missus Bobert for reminding me. Rewatched the movie

2050
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 2: so thank you. I've only said beetlejuiceant no twice now

2051
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 2: wons so far. So there were a lot of great jokes.

2052
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 2: There were just there were too many good ones that

2053
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 2: happened as a result of this. So for me, it

2054
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:32,639
Speaker 2: was just good old clash, good old fashioned clean foot.

2055
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:34,679
Speaker 1: It feels like a throwback to more n I agree.

2056
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:36,840
Speaker 1: I agree when we could cover things like that, and

2057
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 1: I have to be like, you know, are we watching

2058
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 1: and ethnic cleansing? Are we watching a genocide? It feels

2059
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 1: good to nostalgically relive Lauren Bobert's night out there at Beetlejuice.

2060
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:49,959
Speaker 5: And you're so right that this really did land.

2061
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 3: With an audience everybody.

2062
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:51,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2063
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,639
Speaker 1: Now, I still maintain that I actually am in support

2064
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 1: of more representation for trashy hose everywhere. I would like

2065
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 1: to see more of this on, you know, among life

2066
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 1: dis among my you know, my political ideology.

2067
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 5: So let's go for more. Try.

2068
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:08,800
Speaker 1: She's actually Grandma too, more trashy Grandma. You had, Kyle

2069
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 1: and I covered the rub map that came. Apparently there's

2070
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:15,639
Speaker 1: been a huge searge in interest in Grandma porn and

2071
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:19,679
Speaker 1: g i lfs, which people can probably interpret them maybe.

2072
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 5: Lauren Bobert spark that you know, I'm just connecting.

2073
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm just connecting the dots now that perhaps she was

2074
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:31,560
Speaker 1: the spark and the interest for there.

2075
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 3: Only six years older than I. Oh my god. Okay,

2076
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:33,600
Speaker 3: that's a whole other conversation.

2077
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 5: All right, Next question, we won't judge people's personal decision.

2078
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:36,800
Speaker 3: What do we have?

2079
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 1: Okay, Next we have what are we most excited for

2080
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 1: about twenty twenty four? And mine, I just said pure

2081
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 1: chaos at this point. I mean, listen, Biden or Trump

2082
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 1: or both could die, someone could get thrown in jail,

2083
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 1: someone could be impeached, someone could get kicked off the bat.

2084
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 1: I mean, we just don't even know. And not that

2085
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying any of these are good things. I'm not

2086
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 1: saying that what's so ever, But at this point I'm

2087
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 1: just sort of like in the I guess we're gonna

2088
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 1: have to embrace the embrace, the suck, let it burn, whatever,

2089
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 1: because I think it's going to be an insane year

2090
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 1: and it's very hard for me to come up with

2091
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 1: something that I'm genuinely, like, affirmatively, positively excited about.

2092
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 2: One of the most tough frequent questions we get is

2093
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:18,640
Speaker 2: how do you deal with this?

2094
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:19,639
Speaker 3: How do you deal with the job?

2095
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 2: And to be honest, a detached curiosity has been the

2096
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 2: way that I've eventually landed on. That's the only way

2097
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 2: I think you can actually stay sane and do the job.

2098
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's why for pure chaos, you can't help

2099
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 2: but have some a little bit of excitement about it.

2100
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 2: I love history. It's very rare for people to actually

2101
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 2: be able to know in the moment that you were

2102
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:41,639
Speaker 2: quote unquote living through history. I think most people through

2103
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 2: the nineties they probably thought they were. But unless it

2104
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 2: was the fall of the Berlin waller, well, I guess

2105
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:48,560
Speaker 2: I was eighty nine. So even that the fall of

2106
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union something like that, most likely things are

2107
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 2: gonna pass you by. But you know, with Ukraine, with

2108
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 2: so just in the years that you and I have

2109
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 2: been doing a show together, I mean, what think about

2110
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 2: the things COVID pandemic in the one hundred years January sixth,

2111
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 2: you know, the latest, the Ukraine War, Israel and Hamas,

2112
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:09,720
Speaker 2: I mean, so many of these things, and then now

2113
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 2: to just know to be on the precipice of this,

2114
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 2: I can't help but feel some excitement. At least I

2115
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 2: get to live through something crazy and help make sense

2116
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 2: of it of the world with all of you people.

2117
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 2: So for me, that's an exciting thing. All right, what

2118
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 2: about you once again? I mean, can't hell had to

2119
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 2: put a UFO thing in here. Let's put this up there.

2120
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:32,800
Speaker 2: One thing I'm excited about and is that repeatedly from

2121
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 2: people in the UFO community they said this UFO transparency

2122
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 2: is going to be forced in there or not, whether

2123
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 2: the legislation passes or it doesn't. So just even though

2124
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 2: they did a cover up, they blocked all of the

2125
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:48,960
Speaker 2: transparent NICHE transparency initiatives inside of the Senate NDAA, I

2126
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 2: think a lot more people like David Grush are going

2127
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:52,639
Speaker 2: to come forward and tell us a little bit about

2128
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:54,360
Speaker 2: what they know, and I think we will be just

2129
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:57,240
Speaker 2: a tiny little bit step closer to understanding the reality

2130
01:37:57,240 --> 01:37:58,759
Speaker 2: and the truth of what is happening.

2131
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 3: So the reality of it.

2132
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 2: Though, I don't think we'll find out, you know, per

2133
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 2: se or whatever in twenty twenty four, but I think

2134
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 2: we'll have more interesting stuff to cover in twenty twenty

2135
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 2: four as a result of Dave Gresh coming forward, and

2136
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm hopeful for that, or maybe we'll get disproven the

2137
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 2: other way.

2138
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 3: Either way, I'll take it. Indeed, that's good for people.

2139
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 1: So obviously twenty twenty three was a year with a

2140
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 1: lot of clouds, a lot of very dark clouds. But

2141
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 1: that's why we said, all right, well let's try to

2142
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:24,720
Speaker 1: look for a silver lining in some of this. And

2143
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 1: for me, it was the way that we've seen, you know,

2144
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 1: in the wake of Row versus Way being overturned, that

2145
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 1: people have really shown up to try to reclaim or

2146
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 1: protect their rights at the ballot. The abortion rights have

2147
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 1: won in every single ballot test where they have been on,

2148
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, where voters have had a chance to go

2149
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 1: and weigh in. They have won in seven different states

2150
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:54,479
Speaker 1: since it was originally overturned in June of twenty twenty two,

2151
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 1: and we just saw one of these in Ohio in

2152
01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:01,639
Speaker 1: this past off your election. So to me, that's obviously

2153
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:04,560
Speaker 1: I didn't support Wrote versus Way being overturned, but it

2154
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 1: is at least encouraging the backlash to that, and how

2155
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 1: many people have flooded the polls to try to reclaim

2156
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 1: the rights that they have lost.

2157
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was interesting. I mean nobody expected it. I

2158
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:16,679
Speaker 2: certainly didn't, so it was stunning. To the whole chaos thing.

2159
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:18,720
Speaker 2: I'll put mine here up on the screen. We can

2160
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 2: put this up there, which is about Ukraine, and that's

2161
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:24,080
Speaker 2: the reality setting in on the ground in Ukraine. And

2162
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,600
Speaker 2: that might sound callous, but I really believed since the

2163
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Speaker 2: day of the invasion that this was the most precarious

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Speaker 2: situation in the world, just because of nuclear weapons. I

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Speaker 2: think our policy has just been a total disaster. Thousands

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Speaker 2: of Ukraine, tens of thousands of Ukrainian men have now

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Speaker 2: been killed. You've got hundreds of thousands who are injured.

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Speaker 2: Just yesterday I read a story about a freaking forty

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Speaker 2: seven year old guy who was kidnapped off the street,

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Speaker 2: too poor to bribe his way out of the draft,

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Speaker 2: and now is on the front line, serving in an

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Speaker 2: infantry division, and he's upset about it. He says, physically,

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01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:00,639
Speaker 2: I cannot handle this. I wish I was twenty years younger.

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Speaker 2: So look, we need to put an end to this

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Speaker 2: situation for the Ukrainian people, for the gold, you know,

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Speaker 2: for the good of peace. I still believe, even with

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Speaker 2: Israel Hamas and all that this this is one of

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01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 2: those situations where you are just one bad moment away

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Speaker 2: from going hot, and it has been a long priority

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Speaker 2: of mine from the day that happened, in order to

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Speaker 2: keep and try and stop you know, the ongoing insanity.

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Speaker 2: And I think that the vibe shifted completely because of

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Speaker 2: the failure of the Ukrainian counter offensive. And I hope

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Speaker 2: in the next year that we will see peace come

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Speaker 2: to that region, or at least, you know, an attempt

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Speaker 2: and an acknowledgment of that for the future.

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Speaker 5: That's what I certainly hope.

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Speaker 1: So all right, our last category is what was the

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01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 1: biggest plot twist or what have you got for this one?

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Speaker 3: Well, this is what.

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01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 2: I've been meaning to do for a long time Israel

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01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:46,360
Speaker 2: hamas happened, so obviously I was just going to put

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Speaker 2: it in the show. But it is about Hassan minajh

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01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:50,720
Speaker 2: And I got to be honest, you know. I did

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01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 2: a monologue about Hassanmonaj about how the New Yorker exposed him.

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Speaker 2: I still think he plays into identity politics, tropes and

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01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 2: others that I vehemently agree with. But one of the

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Speaker 2: stories in that New Yorker article was accused Hassan Minaj

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Speaker 2: of lying about how he was rejected from the prom

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01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:12,960
Speaker 2: because his prom or his like possible prom dates parents

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Speaker 2: were racist, And I got to say I listened to

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Speaker 2: Hassan's rebuttal whenever it came out, I guess a month

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01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,960
Speaker 2: and a half or so ago, and he convinced me,

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01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:23,640
Speaker 2: at least on this one point. He absolutely convinced me.

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01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 2: I'll play some of it for you right now if

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01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:25,639
Speaker 2: you didn't hear it.

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Speaker 12: First, I want to talk about how and why I

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01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:31,000
Speaker 12: was rejected from PROM. Now, let me first say this.

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Speaker 12: I am thirty eight years old with a wife and

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Speaker 12: two kids. I do not give a shit about PROM.

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01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:42,559
Speaker 12: But it's a big story from my first stand up

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01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:44,680
Speaker 12: special and the New Yorker imply that I made it

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01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:47,920
Speaker 12: all up and that my race wasn't a factor in

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Speaker 12: my rejection. But it was, and I have the evidence

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Speaker 12: to prove it.

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Speaker 2: He's got Look, he's got like a twenty something long

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01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 2: minute video, he's got the receipts, he goes through some

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01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:58,480
Speaker 2: of the other allegations.

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01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:00,679
Speaker 5: Does he have what like emails or what's.

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01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:01,519
Speaker 3: Got text messages?

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01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 2: Emails like her saying this and this acknowledging you know

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Speaker 2: that some stuff happened in the past.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's on the prompt thing.

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01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:12,720
Speaker 2: It's there's nobody like she absolutely railroaded him, and on

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01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 2: some of the other ones, I wouldn't see she railroaded

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01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 2: him as much on the other ones, but she definitely

2227
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:20,400
Speaker 2: misconstrued some of the things that he said, and she

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01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:23,519
Speaker 2: did not include the fulsome nature of his response. So

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01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 2: I got to own up to it, Hassan, I apologize.

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Speaker 3: That's one of those where you know, I fell victim.

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01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 2: I'll say this too about you know, the belief in

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01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:33,599
Speaker 2: the mainstream media and all that.

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01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 3: This wasn't even me trusting the New Yorker. It just

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01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 3: looked factual.

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01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:39,439
Speaker 2: And I know that reporter I followed her for years now,

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01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:41,840
Speaker 2: Claire Malone, who used to work over at five three Dates.

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01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 2: I was like, man, this is Claire Malone's work. You know,

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01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:46,160
Speaker 2: this is somebody who I know, and I've trusted her

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Speaker 2: work for a long time.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 2: The response, you know that, all the way that it

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01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:52,920
Speaker 2: was presented, it looks totally ironclad. Also, he did not

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01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:56,799
Speaker 2: have any comment immediately in the aftermath, so you couldn't

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01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:57,599
Speaker 2: help but just think like.

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01:42:57,520 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 3: Oh god, it was a huge mistake on his part.

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01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 2: I agree with you, But after the fulsome nature of

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01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 2: it all came out I'm like, all right, you got

2248
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 2: to give it to the man.

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01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 3: And I've been meeting to this for a while, So, Hassan,

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Speaker 3: here's to you.

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Speaker 5: Which has she responded to the fact.

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01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 3: About the story, which is bullshit? Come on, they haven't

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01:43:12,439 --> 01:43:14,599
Speaker 3: done a correction. No, no correction. They stand They said

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01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 3: they stand.

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Speaker 5: By it one hundred and that causing a question.

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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, exactly. So no, I'm like, is this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: It's because that makes it clear, like, oh, this was

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01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:23,639
Speaker 1: a hatchet job, right, You had a story you wanted

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01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:25,400
Speaker 1: to tell about this, and you were trying to fit

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Speaker 1: the facts into what you wanted to say, and so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and personal consequences from what I can see, I mean,

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Speaker 2: he didn't get the Daily I mean, I don't know

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01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:34,040
Speaker 2: if he would want the Daily Show position, but I

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01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:36,040
Speaker 2: would I would tell him not to take it given

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01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,519
Speaker 2: where that show has gone. But he probably didn't get

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01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:41,200
Speaker 2: a job up because of it. And you know that

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01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:42,680
Speaker 2: doesn't that doesn't sit right with me.

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Speaker 1: That could also play into why he didn't respond. You know,

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01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 1: it may have been that they told him, like you

2270
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,640
Speaker 1: just never know behind the scenes what pressures he was

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01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 1: under to just like stay quiet on it and hope

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01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 1: that it goes away anyway. All right, our apologies to

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01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:58,200
Speaker 1: Hassan for you know, not believing him in the first place.

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01:43:58,240 --> 01:43:59,040
Speaker 3: That's right, all right.

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01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:03,400
Speaker 1: My plot is, do you guys remember back when Mayor

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01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:06,680
Speaker 1: Eric Adams was elected mayor of New York City and

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01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:10,879
Speaker 1: the reps this job always the next Democratic presidential candidate,

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01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:13,320
Speaker 1: and this guy's a superstar and he's shown out a

2279
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 1: win and showing Democrats how it's done well. That has

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01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:20,519
Speaker 1: now completely flipped to him giving answers like this.

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Speaker 5: One, mister Mayor.

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01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:23,240
Speaker 3: We've come to the end of what was a very

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01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:24,760
Speaker 3: eventful twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 6: Right, So when you look at the totality of the year,

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01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 6: if you had to describe it, and it's tough to

2286
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:30,960
Speaker 6: do in one word, what would that word be?

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01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 3: And tell me why?

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01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:36,040
Speaker 13: New York This is a place where every day you

2289
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 13: wake up you could experience everything from a plane crashing

2290
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 13: into our Trace Center to a person who's celebrating a

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01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:50,360
Speaker 13: new business that's open. This is a very very complicated city.

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01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:53,000
Speaker 1: I mean honest with you, I just really wanted to

2293
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:55,800
Speaker 1: play that come in the show because every part of it.

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01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:58,040
Speaker 1: You know, what really bugs me the most is he

2295
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:00,679
Speaker 1: asked him for one word, and then he says, which

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01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:02,600
Speaker 1: is two words, and then it just gets more and

2297
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:05,240
Speaker 1: more absurd from there, and he's like, it's amazing you

2298
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:07,759
Speaker 1: wake up and see a plane fly into the World

2299
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:11,679
Speaker 1: Trade Center or someone opening a small business, No incredible city.

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01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 2: That is one of the most what the fuck moments

2301
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:16,439
Speaker 2: that I've ever seen, where it's like, dude, what is

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01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 2: wrong with you? Also, if you're a family of nine

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01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:20,360
Speaker 2: to eleven, right, it's like you'd be like, yeah, that

2304
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:21,639
Speaker 2: was actually the worst day of my life.

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01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:23,840
Speaker 3: Thanks for reminding me of that. What's wrong with you?

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01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 1: Incredible? I love to how the interviewer just keeps his

2307
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:27,719
Speaker 1: like interview.

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01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 2: I feel like he's on too. I feel like he had,

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01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:32,479
Speaker 2: you know, alistic questions and he didn't even play. I mean,

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01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 2: you know, it is like sometimes when people are talking,

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01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 2: you've got other stuff and you want to make sure

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01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:37,200
Speaker 2: you're ready for the next question and all that.

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01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:39,599
Speaker 3: I don't think he realized what was being said, especially when.

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01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:43,759
Speaker 1: You're throwing out like the softest of softballs of all time,

2315
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 1: and so yeah, your brain probably just like checks out.

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01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure he'll say something, you know, Anna dine

2317
01:45:49,120 --> 01:45:50,479
Speaker 1: here and we'll move on to the next one or

2318
01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:53,599
Speaker 1: wrap it up or whatever, and instead he just gives

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01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:56,679
Speaker 1: the most ridiculous and hilarious answer of all times.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate it. I thank him for that moment. Thank you, Mayor.

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01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:01,679
Speaker 2: I would have expected him just like say a lyric

2322
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 2: from NYC, from Annie or something.

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01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 3: It's like, what are you doing right?

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01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 1: It's just like anyway, all right, Thank you Mary Mayor Adams,

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01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:12,000
Speaker 1: and thank you to all of you for being with

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01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,360
Speaker 1: us this year, trusting us to cover news that has

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01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 1: been oftentimes very difficult, very challenging, very complex. We are

2328
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 1: going to be off next week, but I'm gonna look

2329
01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:25,559
Speaker 1: to do is gonna be out ount but if big

2330
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:28,479
Speaker 1: things break on Israel or anything else, I'll do some

2331
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:30,639
Speaker 1: little updates for you guys. And we also have additional

2332
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:33,360
Speaker 1: content that we're looking forward to you all getting to

2333
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 1: check out. I did a long interview with Norm Finkelstein

2334
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:39,280
Speaker 1: and Sager is sitting down with Tucker Carlson, So definitely

2335
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:41,240
Speaker 1: look for those as well.

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01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 2: There you go, take advantage if you can. We're gonna

2337
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 2: be releasing them earlier to our premium stubs. Otherwise I

2338
01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:46,920
Speaker 2: will see you all in the new year.

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Speaker 5: Happy holidays, guys, see you in the new year.