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Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's

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Speaker 1: Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson.

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Speaker 2: Jill Brown is here, And before I get into all

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Speaker 2: her credentials, I found the part of your story that

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Speaker 2: was so fascinating to me. You have a background in aeronautics,

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Speaker 2: you're a pilot, you worked at NASA, so you're a scientist.

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Speaker 2: And so many people say to me, is astrology really real?

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, I have the sciences here today,

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Speaker 2: she's here to tell us this is real. So how

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Speaker 2: did that background for you really play into you getting

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Speaker 2: into evolutionary astrology, which we'll explain in a minute too. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, I actually grew up in Alaska, and one in

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Speaker 3: forty five people in Alaska is a pilot. It's the

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Speaker 3: highest per capita pilots anywhere, I think in the world actually,

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Speaker 3: And so I grew up with all these friends whose

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Speaker 3: parents had planes, and a lot of Alaska isn't accessible

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Speaker 3: except for my airplane in the winter, but even like

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Speaker 3: the water freezes over the road system ends, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: So I grew up just hearing the sound of little

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Speaker 3: airplanes around all the time, and it just became fascinated

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Speaker 3: by aviation, and then, funny enough, I went and got

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Speaker 3: a degree in marketing and worked in Los Angeles for

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Speaker 3: almost a decade. I used to work at Walt Disney

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Speaker 3: Music Group and Disney Publishing, so I was in the

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Speaker 3: music group at Disney for a lot different Yeah, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 3: very different world. I loved working at Disney. I loved

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Speaker 3: all the creative people there, and I love, love, love music,

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Speaker 3: so that was very cool. But I was spending all

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Speaker 3: of my salary on flying lessons and flying, but kind

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Speaker 3: of went maybe I should get into my passion, which

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Speaker 3: a master's degree in aeronautics and then got an internship

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Speaker 3: at NASA through grad school that ended up becoming in

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Speaker 3: a full time position, and so I worked in drones

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Speaker 3: and unmanned operating systems for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have worked up in space, You've seen the planets,

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Speaker 2: you've seen the stars. How would you explain to someone

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Speaker 2: who's as is astrology real? Like? Where is that connection?

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Speaker 2: How do we make the scientific connection to help people

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Speaker 2: understand that astrology is basically a map for us.

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Speaker 3: I think the thing that was interesting for me is

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Speaker 3: and maybe you felt like this too. But I've always

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Speaker 3: kind of grew up feeling like I had two parts

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Speaker 3: and like scientific and interested in that, and then there

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Speaker 3: was this other part of me that was very spiritual.

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Speaker 3: So I never felt like I was so spiritual or

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Speaker 3: religious that there was no space for science or fact

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Speaker 3: or you know, the kind of proven, factual world. But

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Speaker 3: I also never felt a part of like just the

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Speaker 3: straight scientific community where there was no space for magic

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Speaker 3: and there was no space for the unexplained, and there

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Speaker 3: was no space for that part. And so what I

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Speaker 3: found is astrology for me, really marries those two worlds

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Speaker 3: kind of beautifully because you have the proven astrophysics and

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Speaker 3: astronomy and aeronautical charts and things that we use to navigate.

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Speaker 3: Even celestial navigation is still used even in aeronautics today, right,

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Speaker 3: or space launches or whatever. We're still subject to the

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Speaker 3: forces of nature. I mean, one of the biggest things

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Speaker 3: with space launches is they'll scrap them because of weather, right,

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Speaker 3: which all of us are trying to predict but can't control.

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Speaker 3: So no matter how scientific we are, we are subjected

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Speaker 3: there's also space for intuition, and there's space for interpretation,

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Speaker 3: and there's space for things coming through in people's chart

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Speaker 3: that's maybe the chart behind the chart, and that's what

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Speaker 3: evolutionary astrology is is kind of the chart that's behind

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Speaker 3: the chart, and what's deeper, what's karmic, was actually happening

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Speaker 3: there beyond just the technical and so that's what attracted

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Speaker 3: me to it. And actually what attracted me was when

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Speaker 3: I had a reading, I found out I had a yod,

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Speaker 3: which you have and we'll talk about that in a second,

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Speaker 3: which I'm very excited about.

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Speaker 2: We see a yod is called.

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Speaker 3: The finger of Destiny or the finger of God. They're

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Speaker 3: very rare. It's a very very big placement. But it

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Speaker 3: also was speaking to me about chiron, and chiron is

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Speaker 3: I love chiron, and my chiron was part of my

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Speaker 3: chart that was really important in my life at that time,

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Speaker 3: and this evolutionary astrologer read my chart and I was jokes,

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Speaker 3: who is this woman? She has my day of birth?

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Speaker 2: Wow, she's seeing me like this. Yes, yes, I.

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Speaker 3: Have not to go too into the weeds, but like

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Speaker 3: And my chart and my chiron was all in the

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Speaker 3: fifth house, all in Taurus, all this conjunctions with the sun,

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Speaker 3: chart being like, no, this is real, this really happened

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Speaker 3: to you, and this is really your opportunity to transform

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And that's so that's kind of where my my nerding

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Speaker 2: Went, almost like therapy when it comes to that piece

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Speaker 2: which I know when I say that sometimes people, you know,

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Speaker 2: that can feel almost like a punishment if we look

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Speaker 2: was supposed to help me grow. But I don't mean

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Speaker 2: it that way. I'm more so mean you know, these

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Speaker 2: given the chance to evolve from them or get closer

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Speaker 2: comes from these big things that happen, and so astrology

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Speaker 2: for me has always just been a way to understand

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Speaker 2: I'm here to live out. And I'm curious with the

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Speaker 2: evolutionary astrology piece you were kind of explaining to me before,

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Speaker 2: because I told you my listeners are really used to

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Speaker 2: every month, and we're talking more about the current transits

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Speaker 2: way that I'm just described as well. But what is

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Speaker 2: the difference, the main difference between what we're going to

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Speaker 2: that kind of astrology, like the transit type astrology.

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Speaker 3: Sure, so I think transits are very important and informative, right,

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Speaker 3: And I think of astrology like meteorology. Meteorology is a

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Speaker 3: that's prology. It's giving us the cosmic forecast. These are

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Speaker 3: the cosmos, and these are the energies that are likely

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Speaker 3: to show up in this forecast. But it's your interaction

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Speaker 3: two things. One is your birth chart, which evolutionary astrology

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Speaker 3: good picnic. Right, you can still have a great time

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Speaker 3: in the rain, you can have a bad time in

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Speaker 3: the sun. It's just your interaction with the forecast that's

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Speaker 3: going to determine what it is. So evolutionary astrology is

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Speaker 3: really looking at your specific birth chart. We use the

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Speaker 3: Placidus system. A lot of apps, a lot of astrology

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Speaker 3: apps will use whole house system. Nothing wrong with Oole's

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Speaker 3: they use whole house astrology. And the reason for that

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Speaker 3: is it's very predictable. Right. It's like a lot easier

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Speaker 3: so evolutionary astrology is just trying to put a little

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Speaker 3: other difference with evolutionary astrology is we look at your nodes,

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Speaker 3: self node as karmic implications from past lives, and the

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Speaker 3: into this life with that is part of our life's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So I've heard of placid is, but I

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Speaker 2: of my whole sign or what is it called, whole house,

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Speaker 2: whole house astrology, whole house astrology. I know that chart

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Speaker 2: very well for me, but when it goes to placids,

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Speaker 2: if stuff changes, how do you then incorporate all that

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Speaker 3: So like I love Chowny Nichols and I have her app.

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Speaker 3: Yeah me too, but her app is whole house. So

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Speaker 3: someone might just if any of your planets are kind

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Speaker 3: of depending on their position, they might slide into a

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Speaker 3: new house, right, right, So it'll just change just a

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Speaker 3: little bit. So my advice to people is look at

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Speaker 3: it both ways, and you take what works and you

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Speaker 3: So when I do whole house astrology, my stellium shifts

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Speaker 3: of speaks to some of the work I do. But

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Speaker 3: when I use placidic system, it's in the fifth house,

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Speaker 3: and that's the house of childhood and all of the

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Speaker 3: places where my past life karma came in. And that

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Speaker 3: felt a lot more authentic for me. Yeah, does that

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Speaker 2: It does make sense. Okay, So it's I said it

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Speaker 2: wrong than the first time too, because I was mentioning

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Speaker 2: like cancer pilcis, it's your houses. It's just the houses

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Speaker 2: that are different in placidics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it should be the houses that land up differently.

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Speaker 2: So would you ever have a planet in a different sign?

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Speaker 2: But is this been a placidest chart? Maybe this is

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the yacht because it's very fascinating.

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Speaker 3: But they are rare, okay, And so they're here to

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 3: So we're trying to figure out like who are we

432
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 3: who do we lower the drawbridge for? Who gets to

433
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 3: come through? Okay and who doesn't? So that could be

434
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 3: and then you know Libra partnership. So I think a

435
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 3: lot of that too. Is that transformational work about who

436
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 3: gets access to Kelly, who deserves access and the right

437
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 3: people do and the wrong people.

438
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 2: Just don't, right, And that's another thing I'm working through

439
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 2: right now. So that's interesting.

440
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, So then your neptune again this is evolutionary

441
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 3: astrology and plastics, but your neptune would move into then

442
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 3: Sagittarius and being in the eighth house. So this is

443
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 3: about living a soul quest for really authentic beliefs, and

444
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 3: it's the idea that I'm sorting and sifting through what

445
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 3: is meaningful and authentic to me and it may, in fact,

446
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 3: it probably will look different than how I was raised.

447
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 3: And it's not a rejection of how I was raised.

448
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 3: And I can be in conscious choice now about aspects

449
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 3: of that that was great, but I can also see

450
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 3: that it wasn't all great. And I have other things

451
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 3: that are very interesting to me, and so I'm kind

452
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 3: of sifting and sorting through this journey of learning about

453
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 3: other things out there in the world for my own

454
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 3: spirituality and my own growth, my own belief system. Eighth

455
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 3: House deep psychological work, deep inner work, deep willingness to

456
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 3: question yourself, to question your assumptions, to question conditioning, and

457
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 3: really be like, do I believe that? Or do I not?

458
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 3: Let me think about that. I think the really cool

459
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 3: thing too with Neptune and Sage in the ninth or

460
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 3: the eighth House is it also is about really deep

461
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 3: friendships too, so like friendships that feel like sole friendships,

462
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: or people that come into your life that probably feel

463
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 3: like kind of soul family as well.

464
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 2: Sure I definitely have those relationships.

465
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 3: It's like karmic kind of you weren't biologically in my family,

466
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 3: but you feel that you like, yeah, like very much.

467
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. So those two actually play together pretty well

468
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 3: and complement each other. That's the easy part of the

469
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 3: odd Okay, okay. But what they're pointing at and trying

470
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 3: to help you unlock is that chirn And so in

471
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 3: order to talk about unlocking that chiron, we need to

472
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 3: talk about what chiron is. Yes, okay, So your.

473
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 2: Club transition that you just did for me, I'm just

474
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: gonna sit back here.

475
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, buckle up, Kelly, we're going on a ride.

476
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 3: I go, And you're your chiron has a lot of

477
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 3: really fascinating things happening. So your chiron is in Taurus

478
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: in the first and you said that's the same with

479
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 3: whole house.

480
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm a Taurus rising in whole house.

481
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, So if we were to put together

482
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a woman of a certain age who grew

483
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 3: up in the eighties and nineties with mad libs, So

484
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 3: I like mad libs. Put it into like archetypes. Yes,

485
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 3: So for that chiron signature, I would put together your

486
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 3: mad libs as I am a leader and a protector

487
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 3: who's working on healing security in my life in order

488
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,959
Speaker 3: to unlock my truest self.

489
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: Okay.

490
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 3: And when we synthesize all that together, we'd say Taurus

491
00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 3: is all about stability and a sense of peace and resources.

492
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: And there's the financial tactile aspect of tourists, but there's

493
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 3: also this sense of like Taurus wants to feel at ease.

494
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: Taurus wants to feel some peace. The soul of Taurus

495
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 3: wants to just be like that deep exhalation of like,

496
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 3: oh yeah, that's very Taurus too. And so tourists done

497
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 3: right isn't just like money for money's sake. It's money

498
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 3: so you can be in choice, and it's money so

499
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 3: you can exhale. And it's money so that you have

500
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 3: some spaciousness, right, physical and mental and emotional spaciousness. That's

501
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 3: all that kind of tourist security to me when it's

502
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 3: done really beautifully. And then the first house is the

503
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 3: house of I am. It's the house of personality. It's

504
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: how we show up in the world, how we dress,

505
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 3: how we carry ourselves, how we present ourselves out to

506
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: the physical world. It's self actualization through our physical body

507
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 3: and our physical self. It's also about making choices and

508
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 3: taking stands, because if you're saying, like I am Jill,

509
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 3: what does that mean? What do I stand for? What

510
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 3: am I actually saying that I value? How am I

511
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 3: showing up in my life that proves I value those things?

512
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: And so you kind of have this beautiful synthesis with

513
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 3: Taurus in the first between like what I value and

514
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 3: who I am and how those are interplaying and marrying.

515
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 3: So if we look at you at your Chiron's signature here,

516
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 3: then well and let me back up for just a minute.

517
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: So what the heck is k right?

518
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 3: What is chn So Kiron is interesting. It's a comet,

519
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 3: it's a meteorite, and it's a asteroid that meets all

520
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 3: the definitions of all three of those in astronomy.

521
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 2: Okay.

522
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: It was discovered in the nineteen seventies and it was

523
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 3: named Chirn, and it was given the glyph because every

524
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,719
Speaker 3: sign in astrology has a glyph, right, So you know,

525
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: Mars is the little circle with the arrow, and it's

526
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 3: glyph looks like a key. It's a little k top

527
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 3: of the circle. Yeah, And so it's so interesting because

528
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 3: Kyn was named Chirn after the centaur Chiron, and in mythology,

529
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 3: Chiron the centaur was known as the wounded Healer. He

530
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 3: was a centaur who was born and his mother was

531
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 3: like so terrified of the fact that he was a centaur,

532
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 3: that she abandoned him at birth, And so his entire

533
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 3: story starts out as abandonment. He was abandoned at birth,

534
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 3: which is already like a big shame and trauma marking

535
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 3: of somebody to abandonment. But he was found by Apollo

536
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 3: and Diana, and he was raised to be kind and

537
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 3: intelligent and learned and all of these high aspirations of

538
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: like Apollo and Diana kind of energy. And so even

539
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: though all the other centaurs at the time were this raucous,

540
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: you know, crazy group, he became the sort of enlightened one.

541
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 3: And so all these parents would send their children, their

542
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 3: great warrior sons to Chiron to be raised and trained.

543
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: So he trained Achilles the Great Warrior, He trained Jason

544
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 3: from Jason and the Argonauts. He trained Hercules, all in

545
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: Greek mythology, because he was so learned and so wise

546
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: and so gentle. But on one of his expeditions, he

547
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: accidentally gets shot by a poison arrow. And because he

548
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 3: has this immortality from his father being a god and

549
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 3: his mother not being a god, he can't just shake

550
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 3: it off like he would if he was immortal, but

551
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 3: he also can't die, and so he is trapped in

552
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: this like never ending pain where he's got this poisonous

553
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 3: wound and it's hurting him and hurting him, but he

554
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: can't die, and he also can't heal. And that's kind

555
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: of where this so interesting that this astronomer or physicist

556
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: chose to name this comet chirn because it symbolizes in

557
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: our chart, where we carry a wound or a shame

558
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 3: that is hurting us, but we're not always cognizant of

559
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: the wound, We're not always cognizant of the hurt. And

560
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 3: if we can draw our attention to that place and

561
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: bring consciousness to it, we can heal it, and then

562
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: that allows us to move on and be like healed

563
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: from this pain. And so what Chiron did was he

564
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: went to Zeus, who had since overthrown his birth father Kranus,

565
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: and said, I can't take the pain anymore. And what

566
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 3: I've realized is I need to actually die to be

567
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: able to get out of this pain. So I will

568
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: exchange the part of me that's immortal to Prometheus so

569
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: that he can bring fire to the world, and the

570
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: world can have fire. And will you in exchange for

571
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: my immortal part, allow him to be released, and I'll die,

572
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: I'll be free from the wound. He'll be bringing light

573
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: and fire to mankind. And you know, Zeus agreed to

574
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: the deal, so he instantly becomes mortal. He instantly dies

575
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: with the poison, and then Zeus is so moved by

576
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: this move that he puts him up into the night

577
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: sky and he becomes a constellation. And so the mythology

578
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: of Chirn in our own charts is to say, when

579
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: we can bring attention to that deep core, when we

580
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: can let the ego death happen and be willing to

581
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 3: confront that part of us that is the most hurt,

582
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: like most scared parts and let it come to light

583
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: and bring it to light, then we're able to endure

584
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: that ego death. We're able to release that pain, and

585
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: we get to be a light for others who maybe

586
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: didn't have the courage to go there. We become the

587
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: celestial navigation that they get then right where the stars

588
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: in the sky that they get to navigate to. So

589
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: it's so beautiful I think with your podcast and your

590
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: willing us to be vulnerable, because you being so personal

591
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: and you being so authentic gives other people an opportunity

592
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: to have that same kind of courage in.

593
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: Their own life. Thank you. Yeah.

594
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: So your Chiron then specifically, is about Kirn and Taurus

595
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 3: is about the wound of loss. It's a fear of

596
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: losing and that losing can be relationships, that losing can

597
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: be career, that losing can look like a lot of things.

598
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 3: But it is this wound of loss and a feeling

599
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: of insecurity that I don't want to lose these things

600
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 3: that matter to me. Yeah, and so we can really

601
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: fixate on like how do I hold close and hold

602
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 3: tight the things that matter the most to me. It's

603
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 3: about searching for safety and security and the authentic self

604
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: and the physical and the shadowy side of that is

605
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: we can tend to like poard or control or hang

606
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: on just a little too tight, or we can be

607
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: really strict because we need this to not go away.

608
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 3: And so where does that come from?

609
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: Then?

610
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: Well, usually with chiron in Taurus in the first it

611
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: comes from childhood, or it comes from a reflexive instinct

612
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: from your past life signature. And so there was a

613
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: huge impact of either perceived loss or abandonment or perceived

614
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: loss and lack or actual lack in childhood. So sometimes

615
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: that can look like a lack of resources, like we

616
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 3: grew up really poor, or it can be a lack

617
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: of parental figure, like yeah, I have both my parents,

618
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: but one parent was always gone or one parent actually

619
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: did physically leave, or yeah I had you know, siblings

620
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: that got all the attention because they were the star

621
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: athlete or something, and so I never they were physically there,

622
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: but like emotionally and spiritually, I was pretty much left

623
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: to be on my own, right, That's and so then

624
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: what do we do when we find that security in

625
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: things or in people. We tend to hold on really

626
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: tight because it's triggering that wound and that hurt place

627
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 3: from our chiron being in taurists. That's sort of that

628
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: fear of loss and that wound of loss and that

629
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 3: impact of loss.

630
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so interesting how this works though to me

631
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: looking at what you just said, because in my childhood

632
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: and I've talked about this a lot, But first of all,

633
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: when you were saying something about not having a role

634
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: a model, like my parents have taught me so much,

635
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: and so I was like, that's so interesting to think

636
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: about that, I wonder, But what I do talk about

637
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: a lot with my parents is that they were really

638
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 2: young when they had me, so like they were also kids,

639
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: you know. And we've talked about this a lot on

640
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: the podcast. My dad came on. He's a recovering alcoholic

641
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: and he's been sober since I was eight, But during

642
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: that period before he got sober, both of my parents

643
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: were very preoccupied with the addiction, you know. And it

644
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: doesn't just like overnight change, and so a lot of

645
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: my childhood was spent kind of in the throes of

646
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: the alcoholic family system, and so that does make sense. Also,

647
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: I think there's some past life I've had past life

648
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: readings where there was a lot of abandonment. So it's

649
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: interesting to me though, how they both can come into play.

650
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: But the reason I even know about those kind of

651
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: wounds within myself is because of how it played out

652
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: in my adult relationships, like with men, you know, And

653
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: so I would continue to pick men who were unavailable,

654
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: but it was just over and overproving that like abandonment

655
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: wound or making me confront it until I could get

656
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: to a place of really addressing that with them myself,

657
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: which is where I am now. But I think it's

658
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: probably like an ongoing process right throughout your life.

659
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 3: It is. And it's so interesting because saturn in return

660
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: has been kind of the zeit geist lately, there's a

661
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: lot more awareness but astronomers and talk about satur return.

662
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: But you have a chiron return as well. Oh, I

663
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: don't think most people realize that. And your chiron return

664
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: will correspond with usually right around age fifty.

665
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: Okay.

666
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 3: I find it's so fascinating, which the fact that we've

667
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 3: all lived with this idea of like a midlife crisis. Yeah,

668
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 3: and it seems to strike right around age fifty. And

669
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: then here is this astrology now that shows you have

670
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: a chiron return around age fifty. And with a chiron return,

671
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: what it's basically saying is if you haven't.

672
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: Dealt with it, it's going to come.

673
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: The show is hell gonna now.

674
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no avoiding it. Yeah you can't.

675
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the Monica Geller closet, you know, yeah,

676
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 3: secret jump closet, Like no more is going to fit

677
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 3: in there, and it's going to spill all out and

678
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 3: all your hands are going to be out on the

679
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 3: floor and you're going to have to actually talk about

680
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: it and deal with it. And so again, if you

681
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 3: come from a place of consciousness, that's where a lot

682
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: of people will have a midlife crisis and like suddenly

683
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 3: become very spiritual or borning and Christian or whatever that

684
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 3: path looks like. Or they'll go have the affair and

685
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 3: buy the sports car and very unhealed response to like

686
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: midlife crisis kirro in return, Right, But what it's really

687
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: trying to get you to do is like dig deeper,

688
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: look deeper, bring awareness.

689
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is ready to be healed? That's what I

690
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 2: always ask myself when I'm going through the hard things.

691
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 3: And then the other piece there too is healed and shared.

692
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: And I love that part of cale.

693
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, because it's.

694
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: Like when we heal, we have the opportunity to, like

695
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: I think, have more empathy for other people.

696
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: For sure, So you have more concern for.

697
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: Other people to try to share our story because maybe

698
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 3: it'll help other people.

699
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: Right.

700
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: So it's also that idea of like we heal ourselves

701
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 3: and we have we can be this you know pebble

702
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 3: in the ripple that goes out into humanity. That's like, ah,

703
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 3: like what else is possible?

704
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? This hurts? Look where it got Yeah, kind of

705
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: the path that I got you to to walk through.

706
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: That absolutely, absolutely, so yeah, so it's interesting to hear

707
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: that I didn't know that about your parents. But yes,

708
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 3: it's like in your very young formative years usually like

709
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: five and under is kind of where that karmic Well,

710
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: then that will play out.

711
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that would make total sense in my life.

712
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, we talk about like then the

713
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: call is for youth and past life creating it also

714
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: to because of that wound of loss, sometimes we can

715
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 3: hyperfixate on like the physicality, and again that's part of

716
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 3: the first house thing, but like if I look like this,

717
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: I won't lose that, or if I present myself in

718
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 3: this way, then I won't lose that. And a lot

719
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: of times I see signatures like this where people will

720
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 3: sometimes develop like eating disorders or things that are physically

721
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 3: around lack of resources, because Taurus is resources and the

722
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: first house is that physicality. So even sometimes in severe cases,

723
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: it'll be people who have like eating disorders or extreme hoarding,

724
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: like actual physical hoarding, not just like I'm trying to

725
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: hoard relationships or hoard experiences. So it can play out

726
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: very dramatically sometimes in people's charts depending on how they

727
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: respond to the to the stimulus of their environment.

728
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I always thought it was so interesting that I

729
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 2: had Taurus in my first house and my Chirra on there,

730
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: and I have a whole business. You know, I'm a

731
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: stylist as well, and so my whole business is around

732
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: external beauty basically and making things look a certain way,

733
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: which makes sense with Taurus. But it's also like, very

734
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: interesting how it could play into some of this stuff.

735
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 3: I feel, well, you know what's beautiful about that, Kelly,

736
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 3: is your libra because you having that Pluto and Libra.

737
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: Anytime I see Libra, I'm like, oh, this person is

738
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 3: like either an interior designer or a styl because Libra

739
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 3: is about balance too.

740
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: Right, we're stellium, I think. I mean, I don't know

741
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 2: if it is platinum implacidus, but it is in whole house. Yeah,

742
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 2: very much Libra energy.

743
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 3: And you and we say Stellium's by sign. You get

744
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: the superpowers of that sign. Okay, house, you get the challenges. Okay,

745
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: So you have like for for this, this would say

746
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: you have like obstacles. You face obstacles in the sixth house,

747
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: which again is like physicality, healing, diet and routine like

748
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. But your superpowers are those

749
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 3: Libra superpowers where it's like I can look at an

750
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 3: environment and I can bring it into harmony. You can

751
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: see the things that create beauty. Libra needs beauty. It's

752
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 3: not vanity. It is like a need of the soul

753
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: to be in a beautiful, serene, harmonious place.

754
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, like electetics, calm me down. It's a beautiful surrounding

755
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: that I'm in that makes me very peaceful and calm.

756
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: Yes, a chaotic crazy room would actually have mental repercussions

757
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 3: for Libra. Yeah, really strong libor placements.

758
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

759
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 3: So it's kind of cool because you're you're living out

760
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: your stellium without even knowing it with that Tourus. You know,

761
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 3: it's like these Libra and Taurus, but they're playing so

762
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 3: beautifully there, and it's really unlocking this very healing space

763
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 3: for you by being able to use that styling and

764
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: using that physicality and like really embracing that part of

765
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: your chart which is beautiful.

766
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: This is where astrology just gets so interesting to me

767
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: and where people are always like mah whatever, And I

768
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 2: think if they just had a real reading though, because

769
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 2: when you're getting a true reading. Like even the stuff

770
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: we're talking about right now, it's so spot on two

771
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: things that you would never even think about, and it

772
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: just makes everything makes sense to me.

773
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. And the thing too, I think, Kelly, is that

774
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: people think how they are is how everybody are it is,

775
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 3: and they take them for granted.

776
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

777
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: So I'll talk to people all the time and they'll

778
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: be like, well, that's like how everyone is.

779
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: Like, no, no, it's not.

780
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 3: This is uniquely you.

781
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 2: Yes, you're uniquely doing you.

782
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: It's not. I don't function in this way at all. Right,

783
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 3: So it's kind of amazing that we can live our

784
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 3: charts and have these pass forward and be uniquely ourselves.

785
00:39:49,320 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: Really, and so now that we are, we have it

786
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: all together and we understand the whise what is like,

787
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: what am I supposed to do with that?

788
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: Now?

789
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: Okay?

790
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: So couple of things. You as an individual are on

791
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: a profound journey of spiritual exploit, exploration and healing, and

792
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 3: as you are doing that, you are sharing that and

793
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 3: it is vastly important for communities around you, some of

794
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: which are known to you, okay, and some of which

795
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: you will never know the implications.

796
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting.

797
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: I relate that to music. I love music, and there

798
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 3: are artists that I have heard their songs and they

799
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 3: have gotten me through times that have been so pivotal

800
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: in my life that I honestly feel like without some

801
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: of those songs or artists, I don't know how I

802
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 3: would have made it through. Yeah, and they will never

803
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: know me. Yeah, you never meet me. They will never

804
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 3: have any idea who the heck I am out here?

805
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: And the impact, but my god, the impact that is

806
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: your spiritual journey and transformation. Okay, and you using your

807
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: voice to amplify that. It makes you a leader in

808
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: your known community. But that's what I mean for people

809
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: outside listeners. You may never meet listeners who may never

810
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 3: comment all these feel like, yeah, God, all these one

811
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: hundred thousand, couple hundred thousand people do they even read that?

812
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: Yes, that's how I feel all this not because anybody

813
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: out there.

814
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: He hello, yeah, mueller, mueller.

815
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it must be into a that like what are y' all?

816
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 3: Thing?

817
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, the trolls are typically louder than the people

818
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: who are resonating. And I say this to listeners all

819
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: the time too, and sometimes they'll pop in and be like,

820
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: just wanted you to know we are listening, like, because

821
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: you do sort of feel like, uh, is this helpful?

822
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean I love talking about it,

823
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: but I want to know it's resonating too, So yeah,

824
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: that's good to know. That's just a piece of the

825
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: puzzle for me.

826
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 3: It is. It's vastly helpful for you, but it's also

827
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: unlocking things for people in ways that we'll both be

828
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: made a parent throughout your life and also have further

829
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 3: implication than this life that you'll ever even realize how

830
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 3: much they've impacted you.

831
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, very very big deal.

832
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, why not? It is about having discernment though in spirituality,

833
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: so you are sifting and sorting experiences and not all

834
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: of it will be for you and you and I

835
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: spoke a little bit about the great thing about astrology

836
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 3: being broader is a lot more people see what a

837
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: cool tool it can be. And it is just a

838
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: tool in the toolbox, right. I don't subscribe to astrology

839
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: being the only tool. Yeah, but it also gives rise

840
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: to Charlatan's in this information and click bait astrology, And

841
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: to me, the power of astrology is not like what

842
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 3: your best sex position is. I mean, that's cool. I'm

843
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: sort of more here for like, I mean, that is

844
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: really great.

845
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's fun to know.

846
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 3: But I'm here to be like, who am I? What

847
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 3: am I doing? How can my life have meaning?

848
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: Is exactly?

849
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 3: Yes, that is the astrology that we were talking about here,

850
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 3: and that is what your chart spirituality is asking you

851
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 3: to do and explore and so so cool that you're

852
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: doing that. It's also saying that you are the light, okay,

853
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: And as you embrace your vulnerability, you are that light

854
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 3: and that voice that's being amplified and that people are

855
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: learning from and resonating from, Okay. And I think that's

856
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 3: important because a lot of people, I think, when we

857
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: are successful or we're more in like a more public sphere,

858
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 3: you invoke criticism, you invoke polarity, and people have a

859
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 3: lot of commentary because it's a lot easier to comment

860
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 3: on your life and how we think you're messing it

861
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: up or doing it right than it is to go

862
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 3: live our own lives. And so I always think of

863
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: there's a really famous speech that Teddy Roosevelt gave about the.

864
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: Yes. I love that one. I have it in my room.

865
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: I have to read it almost every day.

866
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: I love that You're one of the only people I've

867
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: known that actually knows what I'm talking about. No, exactly.

868
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: I guess we should tell the listeners what we're talking about.

869
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: Do you know the quote it's the in the arena

870
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: is do you know it by heart? I don't know

871
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: it by heart, but I.

872
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: Don't know it by heart. But the ethos is about

873
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 3: all credit goes to the man in the arena and

874
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 3: not the spectators on the side. Right.

875
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 2: Basically, unless you're in the arena, like, sit the fuck down,

876
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: is what I tell myself the morning, Like, unless you're

877
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: in the arena doing the work, stop, like, don't criticize it,

878
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: don't judge it, don't speak out against it, because unless

879
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: you're in there, you really don't know what you're up against.

880
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: That's correct, Yeah.

881
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 3: And you don't know the courage it takes to put

882
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 3: yourself out there, exactly. And it's funny because I have

883
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 3: that one, and then I have the one about success

884
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 3: as many parents failure as an orphan, and everybody wants

885
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 3: to say what an overnight success you are, and how

886
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: lucky you are and how blessed you are and how

887
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: and they don't know. And that is true, sure, And

888
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 3: they don't see how you know, bloodied and beaten and

889
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 3: how many times you had to pick yourself up to

890
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 3: get there. Yes, and so everyone wants to step in

891
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 3: when you're a success and say what a greaty hand

892
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: they had, how great you are, But when you're down,

893
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: everybody disappears. Like that's my reminder that like, no, I'm

894
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: the one in the arena, though, you're the one in

895
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 3: the arena putting yourself out there willing to subject yourself

896
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 3: to scrutiny and critical comments because you're willing to be

897
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 3: vulnerable and you're willing to live this life out loud,

898
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 3: and you're willing to live out your chart and like

899
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: do big things in a way that some people find intimidating,

900
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 3: and they choose to rather than rise to the occasion

901
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: of their own lives, criticize yours.

902
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: Ooh, do you know you don't know how much I

903
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 2: needed that today, but it is I'm curious about with

904
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: I know you mentioned that Uranus has been transiting Taurus,

905
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 2: and I don't know if I'm jumping a high with anything,

906
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 2: but because of some things that I've gone through, I

907
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: have retreated from being seen. I would say I've wanted

908
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: to go into hiding quite frankly, and it felt like

909
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: the only way to find safety was to be not

910
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: looked at and like don't talk, you know whatever, Just

911
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: don't don't make a fuss and nobody look at me

912
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 2: or whatever. I need to go away for a while.

913
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 2: But I knew somewhere inside me that wasn't really my path.

914
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: I just didn't. I couldn't quite get out of it.

915
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: And I think I'm just now starting to kind of

916
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: like feel comfortable, you know, dipping the toe back in,

917
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 2: like testing the water, seeing if it's okay. So is

918
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 2: that because of a transit? Like is there something happening

919
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: astrologically that that would make sense for or is it

920
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: a period of time if I don't put myself out there,

921
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: am I going against my yacht and like not living

922
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: out my purpose? Do you know what I mean? Do

923
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: you see where I'm going at this? Yeah?

924
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

925
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: So.

926
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 3: I think the call that you're having one, I think

927
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 3: you need to give yourself a lot of credit and

928
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: a lot of grace because sometimes we do just need

929
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 3: to pull the wool over ourselves and great for a minute,

930
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: right now, everybody can get beat up all day, every

931
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: day forever.

932
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 2: No, and just take it right, we're all yemans.

933
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Sometimes the safest course is to just be

934
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: like I'm going to take a real deep breath in

935
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 3: a step back for a minute. And that doesn't mean

936
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 3: that you're out of it forever. Rights right at that

937
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: place of safety for a moment. Now, my intuition would say,

938
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 3: you're hearing the call again because this uranus transit is

939
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: happening right over your chiron, which is the focalizer of

940
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: your yacht, And so Kiron is saying, Kelly, be authentic,

941
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 3: be vulnerable, share, let the ego death happen. Understand that

942
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 3: the you know, the criticism is not who you are.

943
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: That's a reflection of the criticizers, not of the criticized, right, Yeah,

944
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 3: that's their perspectives. Yeah, that is not who you don't

945
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 3: even know me, they don't know, So it's not representative

946
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 3: who you are. And you've taken that time and you've

947
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 3: had that little bit of retreat that you needed, and

948
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 3: now with that uranus sitting right because uranus is transitting

949
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 3: right now, it's like twenty six degrees I think, and

950
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: your chiron is a twenty sixth or less than a

951
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: degree apart, Yeah, less than a degree apart. So Uranus,

952
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 3: you're whimsy, you're weird, your uniqueness. I love your honest.

953
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 3: I always say it's our It's so literal in what

954
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 3: it is in the aspect of who we are. In astrology, right,

955
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 3: your honus is the planet that rolls. It doesn't orbit,

956
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 3: it doesn't rotate, it's orbit. It rolls, and it's orbit

957
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,479
Speaker 3: only planet that does it. We all look at Mars

958
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: and we all say Mars, and we look at your

959
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: hous and we say, you're honest, Uranus Urinus, Right, you

960
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 3: don't even know it, right, it's true. It doesn't even

961
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 3: have consensus.

962
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: In its name.

963
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it is that sense of us. That's our authenticity,

964
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 3: our whimsy, our weird is to be celebrated about what's unique.

965
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 3: And so that planet that's saying like, be extra amp up,

966
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 3: your extra be you, is right now coming right over

967
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 3: that chiron, which is your finger of God pointing to like,

968
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 3: this is your healing path. You being you, You, being

969
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 3: authentic is deeply healing and then also is helping other

970
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 3: people and it's unlocking resources for you, and it's unlocking

971
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,959
Speaker 3: opportunity for you. And we do it for the spiritual work.

972
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 3: But often the side effect of that work ends up

973
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 3: being like career unlocks and relationship unlocks and kind of

974
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 3: all the things that we thought weren't important sort of

975
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 3: fall into place too. It's just really true.

976
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like when you're being your most authentic

977
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: self and you are working with your higher self or

978
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, on these kind of paths,

979
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 2: you do start to one find what is more authentic

980
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: to you in relationship and work and all the things,

981
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 2: and so it just kind of all starts to fall

982
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: in line because of that foundation that you're planting. I agree.

983
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: And the more what's saying, the most personal is the

984
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 3: most universal. You start realizing like, oh, we've all been

985
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 3: running around pretending like we don't feel these things or

986
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: oh yeah, and then you share your really personal and

987
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 3: everyone too you're like, oh, just a bunch of weirdos.

988
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: Why were we talking about this?

989
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 3: Then yes, run around so and so. I think that's

990
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 3: just really cool and very important, and it is your

991
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: path in this lifetime more than anything else here. That

992
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 3: is so your path in this lifetime is this unlocking

993
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: of your authentic self, your authentic voice, your authentic spirituality,

994
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 3: and sharing that with the world. And sharing that with

995
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 3: a partner and sharing that you know is deeply healing

996
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: for you, and that is because of past life stuff.

997
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 3: And we'll do another one sometimes where we'll dig into

998
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 3: your past life because.

999
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: I mean, we have to now, yeah exactly, I definitely

1000
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: I have so many questions about the past life stuff.

1001
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: And I know if any of the listeners are familiar

1002
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: with like their north and south note, I mean, is

1003
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: that what you work with for that? Okay, yep, And

1004
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: that is all very fascinating. I've tiptoed again a little

1005
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 2: bit into that stuff. But and I can see the

1006
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: south notes show up in my life sometimes now with

1007
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: mine's and Capricorn, I believe, but it is. Yeah, so

1008
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: there's definitely stuff that I can see, but I want

1009
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: to know more. So we'll have to have you back

1010
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: and do that because this is so fascinating. But I

1011
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 2: know we talked about my chart a lot, but I

1012
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 2: love to give you guys the example of how the

1013
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: kind of work that you do, Jill can be done

1014
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: and what it can help with. And so that's why

1015
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: I always want to do that. If there are people

1016
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 2: listening and they're like, wait, I want to do that.

1017
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: I want to know what to do with my Chiron?

1018
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: Do you work with people like this or how does

1019
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 2: that go?

1020
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, So Chiron has been, like I said, super

1021
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 3: instrumental for me personally, just because it's discovery for myself,

1022
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 3: Like I discovered it, yeah, for myself at a time

1023
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 3: when I was really confronting abuse and trauma, and so

1024
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 3: I became sort of iopically fixated on it for a while.

1025
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 3: And so I have a Chiron worksheet on my website

1026
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 3: for people if they're just curious again mad libs, like

1027
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 3: you can enter yours on and your Chiron position and

1028
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 3: it'll give you a little mad libs to kind of

1029
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 3: unlock your Chiron and what it's trying to tell you

1030
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 3: in your life. Okay, that's on my website And then yes,

1031
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,479
Speaker 3: I do. I do readings for people all the time still.

1032
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 3: So it's like my greatest honor is when people trust

1033
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 3: me with their chart because it's very personal. It is

1034
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: very personal, deeply personal, and I appreciate people letting me

1035
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: lend my expertise and my lens of perspective an intuition

1036
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 3: to their charts. Yeah, really beautiful unlock for people. And

1037
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 3: I think my hope is people feel seen when they

1038
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 3: walk away.

1039
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: That's what it makes me feel. And I think I

1040
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: said the comparison to therapy earlier, but I know it

1041
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: can be intimidating to people, and I think the same

1042
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 2: for therapy. It's like, before you do it, you're like, oh,

1043
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: you know, making up all the bad scenarios. But the

1044
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 2: reality is is we walk around this world just kind

1045
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: of throwing different medicators at all these feelings that we have,

1046
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 2: and we're holding all these feelings inside. And sometimes when

1047
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: you do stuff like this, like even understanding yourself more

1048
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 2: via your astrology chart, that feeling scene piece that you're

1049
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 2: talking about, immediately lessons all the noises inside, like the anxiety,

1050
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: the depression, all of that stuff, because you're seen and

1051
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: that's what our soul really wants, I think. So that's

1052
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: why it feels good to me. I think you're really

1053
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 2: verbalizing that really well. But I will put your website

1054
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 2: in the description of this podcast because I'm assuming that's

1055
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 2: how people will book sessions with you as well, right, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, absolutely,

1056
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 2: So if you guys are wanting to do what Jill

1057
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: and I just did with your chart and just kind

1058
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: of understand for me, it's just helpful to know where

1059
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: I'm going and that I'm on the right track or

1060
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: can be working with certain pieces of it. More. Go

1061
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 2: check out her website and even put in the Chiron worksheet.

1062
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: That would be a good place to start, I feel

1063
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: for Yeah, it's all free, Okay, amazing, and we'll have

1064
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: to have you back to do some past live talk

1065
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 2: so we can understand this more. It was really interesting

1066
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: to think through astrology and an evolutionary standpoint. I love that.

1067
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's probably again for most people seeing wholehouse astrology,

1068
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 3: it's probably different lens of perspective too, to consus you

1069
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 3: see your chart in a different system, right, Yeah, yeah,

1070
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: totally kind of fun too.

1071
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, thank you so much for being here and

1072
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: talking with us today.

1073
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, my pleasure. Thanks for having me, Kelly.

1074
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Velvet's Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson,

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