WEBVTT - Space Jam with Princess Weekes 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:04.800 On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have wouum, 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.039 are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, or do 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:13.520 they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best start changing 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:18.520 it with the Bechdel Cast. Everybody, get up, it's time 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:22.680 to cast. Now we got a podcast going down. Welcome 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.360 to the Bechtel Cast. It's your chance. Here's some rants 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:32.600 on the Bechtel Cast. Alright, alright, we have to keep going. 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:38.920 Come on and cast, and welcome to the cast. Come 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:44.680 on and cast if you want to. Caitlin, Jock Jams Durante, 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:49.839 thank you. I love a good jock jam. Oh so good. 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:52.600 If I'm having trouble getting started in the morning, I 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:56.880 find a Spotify list of jock jams and I get 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:05.360 to it. It's very effective, very good. Yeah, well, well, 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:09.080 welcome to the podcast. It's it's we've been waiting for. 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:12.399 This day has been a long time coming. It's Space 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:17.679 Jam days. We've been talking about covering it forever. We 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:21.679 were originally going to wait until the sequel came out. Yeah, 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:26.000 but the sequel is just I mean maybe it's coming 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.000 button and now who knows, you know where the productor 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:35.759 it simply couldn't wait a moment longer. True. Um, this 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.160 is the Bechtel Cast Our Feminist Movie podcast, in which 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:44.440 we examine films through an intersectional feminist lens inspired by 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:49.080 the Bechdel Test, but we we do a far deeper dive. Yeah, 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:53.560 good grief. What's the Bechdel Test, Jamie? Well if if 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:58.440 you recall, it is a media metric invented by Alison Bechdel, 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:01.640 sometimes called the Beck dol wall Us Test. She's a 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.920 queer cartoonist who invented this media metric that requires that 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:11.280 to uh, female identifying characters that have names talk to 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.880 each other about something other than a man for more 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:19.200 than two lines of dialogue, female characters or just anyone 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.520 of a marginalized gender, right, I mean her original with 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.120 the version we use anyone of a marginalized gender speaking 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.639 to each other about something other than you know, let's say, 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:35.880 for this movie Bugs Bunny. Uh spoiler alert. Most movies 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:42.120 don't pass, and this movie doesn't pass. No, ye, right 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.639 up front, So I know it's like, well, I feel 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.680 like we always like like do a big drum roll 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:51.040 at the end, but now as time goes on, doesn't matter, 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:58.160 not much. It doesn't like most likely no, most likely no. Okay, 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.760 So that's the podcast today. Like we said, we're covering 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:05.399 Space Jam. We have a wonderful guest. She is a 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:09.000 writer for The Mary Sue. She is the co host 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:13.040 of pbs is It's Lit. She has a great YouTube channel, 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:17.079 It's Princess Weeks, It's towns Land and love Them see 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:23.320 their Jam. I have been waiting for this. I I feel, 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:27.120 I feel like to be able to cover Space Jam 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:31.360 on the Back Deal cast is like my purpose in life, 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.960 Like I feel like kill Manger in in Black Panthers, 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.000 Like I've been trading my whole life for this. You know, 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:42.160 I've your hero's journey has led to this. Here we are. 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.640 This is the final challenge. It's finally here. And it's 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:48.560 so funny that you bring up that this movie fails 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.880 the beach Del test, because the first thing I wrote 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.440 in my notes is like the only terrible things about 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.840 Space Jam or that it doesn't pass the Back Deal test, 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.360 And it opens within r Kelly song like those are 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.000 those to me are like the un givable sins of 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.160 this movie that I love so much. I'm like, yes, 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:08.920 I started watching it and it was like, oh, oh no, right, yeah, 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:14.960 and the other things as well. I'm so there's this 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.880 is a not I mean, I guess not even surprisingly 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:23.720 this is a dense text. Yeah, I was truly. I 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.200 feel like as time goes on, I'm always it's always 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.120 the movies. I expect to not have a ton of 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.159 notes for that, I have like seven pages of notes 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.719 for and then other movies like We the Vich I'm like, 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.159 I have fourteen words about this movie? What is there 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:42.760 to say? And yet our episode on that was over 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.039 an hour and a half. Yeah, it's like I do. 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.760 I want to live deliciously absolutely, but let's talk about 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:51.440 capitalism and Space Jam? Like what is that? Because exactly? 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.640 Oh it is so, I mean there's so, but like 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:58.719 the layers of marketing. I mean, this movie is marketing, 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:03.800 but the submarketing levels of this movie goes so deep 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:07.120 it was it made me uncomfortable. But then I also 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.600 was like, but it's still space Jam, right, So how 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.520 uncomfortable could I get? It's the inception of like vanity 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.200 projects because everyone's like, oh, because I was like looking 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.640 at the older reason, They're like, what two weird concepts 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.320 to mash together? And like, no, it's perfect because You're 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:26.559 getting two very popular things to meet where they should 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:32.360 never meet, and yet it made millions. Just worked in 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.159 a way that people have been trying to emulate since 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.440 it's so I feel like, if things had gone even 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.960 a little bit differently, this movie could have been a 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.480 total disaster, Like if Michael Jordan's career had gone a 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.640 little differently, if the plot had I mean, the plot 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:56.360 is nonsense. It's such a finely tuned like it. I'm 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.280 so happy that it came together the way it did 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.160 because it could have been such a disaster because it's 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:05.680 it's adapted from two Nike commercials from the early nineties. 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:10.560 What else is there like that? That's Hasbro. Hasbro's whole 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:12.960 ploy was like, let's make toys and turn them into 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.200 TV shows the spatial like, we can go beyond. We 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.600 can take sneakers and the hip hop community's love of 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:23.680 looking tunes and really fine tune that machine into a 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:28.600 multimillion dollar operation. I and I do appreciate that this movie, 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:32.760 like it does not go halfway and telling you exactly 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.000 what it is. Because well, on the Post or Bugs, 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:40.080 Bunny is first build. In the credits, he is second build. 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.680 But the fact that these are the two main cast evers, 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:48.320 and there is you know, they eventually credit the voice 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.360 actor voicing Bugs Bunny, but it is Bugs Bunny who 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:56.240 is sharing the It's I mean, it's a big swing. Yeah, 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.760 it's great. It's like when the Downton Abbey movie, like 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:00.840 didn't put the cat sin the trail. They just put 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.120 the names of the characters from down to Nabby. They're 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:07.120 like Robert Crawley, just like you sons it. But I 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.960 was there, I was like, I will see Mrs Hughes. 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:15.040 I want to know what she's doing. It's a miracle 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:18.000 that this movie isn't the worst movie of all times. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:21.560 But it's so good. I'm very excited to talk about it. 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.240 And I'm so excited that you're here to talk about it. Yes, Well, 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.559 what's your what's your relationship with it? What's your history 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.520 with it? For me? All right? So I was four 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.560 years old when Space Jam came out, and I have 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.880 loved it ever since. I've always been obsessed with Lola Bunny. 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:40.040 I She's an icon to me and I just I 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.720 just love it. It's my every time I'm sad or 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:45.720 have like a really bad depressive episode, because I deal 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:47.400 with a lot of that. I put on Space jam 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.880 or just listening to the soundtrack, and it like sues me. 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.120 It's like being swaddled by a film. And like when 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.360 I was rewatching it, I really had to like turn. 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:57.880 I was like, all right, princess, you have to like 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.840 forget that you're in love with this product, forget to 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.680 take off my nostalgia goggles and put on my like 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:07.880 feminist Bechdel goggles and like, and I always had to 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:11.200 be like, you know, I have notes, I have notes 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.800 on that, but overall, I just I love this movie. 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.200 I think it's it's a black film in a lot 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.560 of ways, from like the soundtrack and the music choices, 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.120 and just how you have Michael and like his beautifully 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:27.760 melanated family and um and also like even though he's 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.160 not in a lot his encouraging father who's like, yeah, 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:31.800 you can go to school, you can be whatever you 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:33.839 want to be. I just think that, like, you know, 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:37.840 if you're gonna do like marketing vanity project the movie, 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.959 those little bits of inclusion that are like in the 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:45.280 weird subtext of the film are like make it worth watching, 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:49.560 even with the critique lens on, Yeah, Jamie, what about 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.959 what about you, what's your history with it? I also was, 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:56.440 I think for when this movie came out. I love, 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:59.599 I really liked this movie growing up. I've seen it 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:03.719 a lot and then I like, remember I watched it 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:08.520 with my cousins. I my mom was so like militant 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:13.679 about certain cartoons and there was no like if a 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:18.679 cartoon was too sexy, I couldn't look at it. So 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.640 I would have to watch Space Jam at my cousin's 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:29.040 house because there was too much like Rabbit koivish to 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:32.280 watch it it my I can't really like track the logic, 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.480 but that was I think what it was. It was 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:38.040 like the bunnies were too horny, and so I couldn't 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.319 watch it at home, but I could watch with my 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.679 cousins because horny bunnies were okay at their house. So 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.600 I watched it a lot on and off in secret 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.480 growing up. But I haven't seen it in a long 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:53.840 long time, like at least since high school, I think, 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:58.439 And so it was really fun to rediscover it because 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.360 since then, I like know a lot more about animation 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:03.599 history and I'm like way more like I have a 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.400 little bit better of a framework about like the history 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.400 of Looney tunes, But at the time, I was just like, 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.640 I want to see the Sexy Rabbits and they were 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.320 kind of forbidden. So now you know, I'm an adult, 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:15.839 I can watch sexy rabbits whenever I want, and so 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:20.079 that's exciting for me. Um. But yeah, it was. So 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.640 it was kind of funny too. It was when I 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:24.960 think Caitlin and I we were texting about this, where 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.640 it was like if someone had asked me two days 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.480 ago to recap the plot of Space Jam, I would 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:34.600 have gotten it completely wrong, like same like mon Stars 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:38.160 versus Michael Jordan's, which is basically it, but there's also 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.240 a lot of other stuff going on. Um, yeah, I 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.520 love it. What about you, Caitlin. I was ten when 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.000 this came out, so I was, I think, like the 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:51.840 Target demo. Um, I loved it. I saw it starting 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.400 at age ten, watched it a ton, but probably haven't 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.000 seen it since I was eleven or twelve, So there 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:00.400 was like a year or two that I was like 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.760 watching it constantly and then I guess I felt that 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.079 I had grown out of it and then stopped watching it. 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.680 So I yeah, I haven't seen it in well over 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:16.040 two decades, and really there's I remembered almost nothing, except 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.839 there was one shot where as soon as I saw it, 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.320 I was like, oh yeah, that it would have been 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.920 like burned into my memory forever. And it's when Michael Jordan, 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.200 when he first arrives in like Looney Tune Land, they're 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:32.000 like doing like a metal medical examination of him, and 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.360 one of the Looney Tunes looks into his ear and 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.280 then you cut to like an animated like shot of 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.200 the inside of his ear and there's like a paper 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.880 clip in there, and I was like, and that always 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.680 haunted me as a child, and I saw it again. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.319 I thought about that shot when I was watching it 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:51.240 as well, because I was like, you know, Michael Jordan's 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.280 is very like scrupulous about his image, and I'm like, 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.719 I'm honestly surprised it got past his pr team to 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.679 be like, my the inside of Michael's ears has paper 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.199 clip sending them was like he I guess that he 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.560 was okay with that, right. A lot of the people 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.160 in this movie really let themselves be really silly and 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.640 it which surprised me. I was like, Wow, Charles Barkley 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:15.480 really got into this performance. Charles Barkley his physical acting, 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:20.480 pretending to forget basketball is really convincing it. That was 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.640 Patrick Hewings whole, like I can't do Like they did 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.839 a really good job for non comedic actors. I'm like, 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.160 was Bill Murray giving you all tips on set because 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:33.920 you guys were really doing quality quality vaudeville right there. Yeah, 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.240 it was really that every I mean, and like I mean, 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.520 athletes acting can be so all over the place, but 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.920 it's like pretty consistently on point in this movie, Like 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:47.599 it's Michael Jordan's kills it. Charles Barkley is like, I 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:51.240 might disagree with that Michael Jordan is a little clunky 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.800 because I was watching him he he's wouldn't but when 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.760 he actually is having fun, you can tell. Because I 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.360 just feel like if I compare this to like the best, 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:01.840 the best has ever done with this kind of concept 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.160 is like still who framed Roger Rabbit and like that 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:09.400 was like acting with the cartoons and like Michael Jordan 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:13.880 is acting at the cartoons and so but you know what, 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.559 I expected a lot worse to be quite frank, watching it, Yeah, 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.840 I was like, I guess, I guess in the framework 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.640 of athletes acting, I just like I wasn't expecting like 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.920 Andy Circus green screen performance here, it was just like 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.079 I was like, if the eyeline is hitting and there's 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:36.080 like sort I was like, wow, amazing, the bar is low. Yes, 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:38.719 but it's funny because I've watched Space Dams so many 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.120 times in my twenties, but the last huge time I 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.319 watched it was for like my twenty one birthday. I 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.599 was like, I just want us to get pizza and 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.760 drinks and watch Space Jam and Men in Black back 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:51.280 to back. Like I was like, that's my idea of 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.839 like a perfect birthday, and it was an excellent twenty 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.319 first birthday. I was like, this is it and it 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:00.840 went very well. What a great double feature? Yeah, truly? 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.480 Should I do the recap? Yeah, let's just get into it. Okay, 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:08.480 we'll get into this. This this uh classic Heroes Journey 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:13.120 narrative tale as old as time, in which cartoon characters 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.600 are about to be forced into amusement park servitude by 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:20.640 aliens from outer space, and then they recruit Michael Jordan 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.560 to help them play basketball because if they win, they 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.000 will not be abducted by aliens. So that's why why 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:31.840 did they almost get abducted by aliens? Well? Capitalism right, 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.000 Like they're like, well, they're the way that bugs. Bunny 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:38.360 like recaps their plight to Michael Jordan's. Once he gets 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.280 into the Loony Tuns the world, You're like, that is 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:44.560 kind of really bizarre. He's like, well they were they 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.280 were small, so we were like we could probably do this, 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.960 but then it turned out they got big, so now 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:55.480 we're scared. Like he also explains the Steaks to Michael Jordan's, 0:14:55.520 --> 0:15:00.280 He's like, we're gonna be basically abducted into slavery, in 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.880 which we will have to do stand up comedy every 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:08.160 night and tell the same jokes over and over again gasp. 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:12.840 And then we'll have a next Flix special that no 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:16.240 one watches because Kenna gats people have dropped hers and 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.480 everyone will be like, well that's actual content, not this 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:25.080 lead tunes thing. Again. Good gree Okay, anyway, so the 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:29.120 story opens with Michael Jordan's as a child. He's very 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.320 good at basketball, and he's like, I'm going to play 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.120 in college and then I'm going to be in the NBA. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.280 And then his dad is like, do whatever you want, 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.320 you can do it, and then kind of like the 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.160 Michael Jordan's legend, right, like that was how I learned 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:44.520 about the Michael Jordan's legend was as portrayed at the 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:51.400 beginning of Space Chap Yeah, that's exactly what happened. And 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:55.320 then we cut two a five minute montage of him 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.480 in the NBA, like under the credits, the opening credits. 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.760 It is very long, especially as because the last dance 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.840 just came out. I'm like, yeah, I know, I know this, 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:08.480 and I know what happens after. I haven't have either 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.200 of you seen it. I haven't had a chance to 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.640 see it. I haven't finished it, but I started it. Um, 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:14.560 I paused to watch this. I'm like, I don't want 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.360 it to ruin my interpretation of Space Tom to know 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:21.840 about Michael Jaman's gambling habits, well that I mean, it's 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.360 a very generous documentary towards him, but it's really good, 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.680 and the behind the scenes taste you get at the 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:32.440 production of Space Jam is really fun, fun, all very 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:37.200 pro Space Jam the documentary, Thank goodness. Um So, anyway, 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.840 we he as an adult. He's in the NBA until 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:45.280 he announces his retirement from basketball to play professional baseball. Meanwhile, 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.920 in outer Space, the head of an amusement part called 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:56.240 Moron Mountain, a character voiced by Danny de Vito, Wayne 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.920 Night and Danny DeVitto in the same movie My God, 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:05.000 How did we get so lucky? Could we be so lucky? Um? 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:09.439 He says, what is his character's name? It's Hammer, Smack 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:13.040 or something. I just as what I called him. I 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:18.199 was like, Dato, that's like, couldn't tell you. Wait now 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.480 I need to know. Let me look at it. I free. 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:27.440 He's so Mr swack Hammer. He's in the movie very little. 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:29.639 There's at one point he's getting a massage at the 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:33.000 basketball game, which I remember very clearly being like, oh, yeah, 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:38.480 the villain is getting a topless massage at the basketball game. Yeah, 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.479 he's in it for like five minutes maybe. But um, 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:47.960 but was Bunny so everyone hated her. But Mr whatever 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.919 his name is, is like, we need new attractions at 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:56.040 this amusement park. We need something wacky, something looney, We 0:17:56.240 --> 0:18:04.159 need the Looney Tunes. You're like, sure Mark Incorporated. Now 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.680 back on Earth, Michael Jordan's is playing baseball. He's not 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.840 great at it. He strikes out during his game. And 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.800 then this guy stand a k Wayne Night is like 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:17.240 the team's publicist, and he's like, Michael, let me know 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.359 anything I can do to make you happy. I'll do 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.919 I'll give you rides to places, I'll do your laundry. 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:27.000 He's just there to support Michael. His name is literally yes, 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:33.440 he's stand and he's a Michael Jordan stand. Dan have 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:38.399 no choice but to stand. Also, this just occurred to me, 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.280 but I think this is a rare example of a 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:45.200 white character who only exists in the story to serve 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:49.359 a black character, because normally it is the opposite base 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:57.400 jam is woke. Um. So meanwhile, the Moron Mountain Aliens 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:01.879 arrive at in Looney Tune World to try to abduct 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.080 Bugs Bunny and his friends, and Bugs Bunnies like, you 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:06.879 can't just do that. You have to give us a 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.280 chance to defend ourselves, and the aliens are like, yeah, 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:14.320 of course, we're reasonable, we'll do that. And then the 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:19.119 Looney Tuns decide that they should challenge them to a 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:25.240 game of basketball, as you do. And even though every 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:29.800 Looney Tune is like, what's basketball? And then and then 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:33.639 Bugs Bunny shows them a black and white video of 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:37.000 basketball in the nineteen fifties and they're like, okay, we 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:40.840 get it. And then we're not up to that part yet. 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:42.159 But it's so funny because they're like, these are like 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.360 tiny guys. And then when they do like the sizes 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:46.840 for the loot is like at three foot four, and 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:49.480 I'm just like, y'all are not sent it out here, 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.159 like calm down, bugs, Like if you think of a 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.440 live action reab it, if you think a rabbit that 0:19:55.600 --> 0:20:00.640 is three ft four, that is a gigantic rabbit. That's 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:02.720 a hair. That's a hair. At this point, it's just 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:09.399 like it's too big. But even relatively speaking in terms 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:14.639 of relatively speaking in terms of basketball players, three ft 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.800 two or whatever is still very short. But the whole 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:22.080 logic behind the Looney Tunes wanting to play basketball is 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.080 that they look at the aliens and they're like, well, 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:30.080 they're so short and flimsy and small, let's play basketball 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.240 against them because we're sure to win. And then that 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.000 is the moment when you realize that an eighth grader 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.879 wrote this screenplay. No, there's it is very funny to 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:43.560 me that there are four credited writers on the screenplay, 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:46.760 Like it takes four men to do. It's a really 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:51.480 long commercial. Everybody there, we needed four people? Uh there? 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.199 I loved Okay, a plot point that I forgot at 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:57.800 the beginning is when the aliens get I forgot how 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:04.560 they get big, and it's because they steal talent which 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:09.880 is stored in a Spalding branded basketball, and the alien 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:13.879 brings the basketball back into the stands and it's like, 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:18.960 I did it. I took their talent. It's like a 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.440 weird thing. Like so it's like the scouts of this 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:27.760 corporation take these mostly black players, steal their talent so 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:32.080 that they can get other corporations. And it's like it's 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:33.560 like it's like it's like you don't know if it's 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:38.000 like high brilliance or like high ridiculous. It's like, yeah, 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:40.399 and this evil corporation is going to take all of 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:43.600 their talent so that they can abuse other people and 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.359 absorb more of it. And it's like it is the NBA, 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:50.800 Like is it? It's so hard to tell what is 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:56.600 completely sneaky brilliance and what is just a total mistake, Like, well, 0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:59.320 how are we going to get them big? Okay? They 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:05.080 steal talent? Okay, So of the NBA players who get 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:09.560 their talent stolen from them are Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.040 and then three other people who I have no idea 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.719 who they are, but if you wouldn't, he would probably 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:20.439 know Sean Bradley, Larry Johnson and Muggsy Bogues. Muggsy Bogues, 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:22.000 I know, just because he's like one of the little 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:25.920 little players that like was really popular then and like 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:28.240 as a and I knew it wasn't a real Knicks 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:30.840 game because I couldn't or maybe I was looking for 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:34.720 Spike Lee because he's always at New York Knicks game 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:36.440 and I was like he maybe was like you can't 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:38.080 put me in space, dam And I was like, did 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:40.399 anyone ask him? Because what a cameo that would have 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:44.359 been if like he's the one I know. It's like 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:46.639 he should have been the one that like is like 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:49.000 where the everybody loves Raymond wife is. I'm like that 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:52.200 should have been Spike Lee's. He should have been there 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:57.240 just being like, man, what's going on here? That moment 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:01.200 with her is also so like I think it's it's 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:04.920 definitely supposed to be funny, but it's very jarring. Her 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:07.880 moment of like because she she's the one sitting next 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:11.440 to the aliens when they steal the talent, She's like, 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:14.440 I think someone's masturbating under their coat, and her husband's like, 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:19.439 shut up and you're like her husband. Her husband played 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:23.840 by Dan Castellanetta, who's famous for voicing a bunch of 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:29.440 Simpson's characters, including like Homer, Krusty Barney, etcetera. So you know, 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:32.119 it was nice to see his face on screen for once. 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:35.920 I guess. He also filled in for Robin Williams in 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:39.320 the Aladdin television show and in a Laddin The Return 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:42.840 of Jaffar before Robin Williams came back for Aladdin and 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:45.639 Nicking of Thieves, because I'm also an Aladdin expert, so 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:51.920 that you get to two things I can do for you. Well, 0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:54.960 I didn't. I forgot that. Yeah, he didn't. He didn't 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:58.680 come back. I wonder if Robin Williams also kept his 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:08.440 talent in a basketball, oh or a lamp what? Personally, 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:10.520 even though I'm not good at basketball, I keep my 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:13.919 talent in a basketball just because it's a useful receptacle, 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:22.000 keeps afresh. Um. Okay. So then the Looney Tunes and 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:25.720 the Aliens start, I guess like they're kind of practicing 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:30.200 for their upcoming game. But the Aliens, using the talent 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:33.400 that they stole from the NBA players, transform into these 0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:39.240 giant athletic mon stars. So the Looney Tunes abduct Michael 0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:42.440 Jordan's while he's playing golf with Bill Murray and Larry 0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:47.440 Bird and they bring him to Looney Tunes Land. My 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:49.840 favorite part is when after he gets absorbed in the 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:52.600 hole and like Bill Murray is like, what kind of 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:56.240 camera is that? He's like, don't point it at me. 0:24:56.720 --> 0:25:01.600 It's like the talents, which is the closest thing we 0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:05.800 get to them reacting at the sudden disappearance of Michael Jordan's. 0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:08.760 They're just like, huh, I wonder where he went. Maybe 0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:12.040 the cameras that had something to do with it. And 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:16.160 then similarly, when Michael Jordan's shows up in Looney Tune Land, 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:20.960 he's like what's going on here? Like like, no reactions 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:25.080 from these people, It's confusing. I was trying to justify 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:28.080 that too. I was like, well, we already know canonically 0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:31.200 in the movie he's a big Looney Tunes fan because 0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:33.120 he turns it on for his kids and he goes 0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:36.320 see and then he leaves, and so you're like, okay, 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.480 so he wouldn't well you know, he's not. We don't 0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:42.639 have time. The movie is only seventy minutes long, right, 0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:45.040 which what a what a length of time that a 0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:47.920 movie could be. It's like, man, I missed those days. 0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:52.240 This is in two minutes and that's including like the 0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:56.119 longest credit sequence and the longest closing credits, like to 0:25:57.000 --> 0:26:01.080 five minute credit sequences at the beginning of and I 0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:05.880 Love It. Um Okay, So then Bugs is like, hey, 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:08.520 Michael Jordan's you have to help us, And then they 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:13.200 hold try outs for the Tune Squad basketball team, and 0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:17.240 all the Looney Tunes are terrible until Lola Bunny shows 0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:19.880 up to try out for the team to the queen 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:26.399 and she's really good at basketball, and Bugs Bunny is 0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:30.200 like Hubba, Hubba, who's that? And we just have to 0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:32.639 breathe right past this for now because there's so so 0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:36.000 so much to unpack that we'll get into later. But 0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:39.320 then the tunes Um. There's a scene where they have 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:43.399 to go and pick up Michael's basketball gear from his house, 0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:46.840 which is a scene I guess we needed, um And 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:51.120 then you know, I was like, I like, you know what, sure, 0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:53.640 sure they have to do this great? Well, I will 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:57.399 say this about this scene. So I had the Space 0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:00.960 Jam video game for a PlayStation, and this is like 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:03.359 a thing that you do in the game. So this 0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:04.879 is like to me, it's like, this is just a 0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:08.440 sequence to like have the kids be with the looting twins. 0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:11.600 At the same time, it's our target demographic and they 0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:16.600 should maybe get one moment of glory. It's very constructed. 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:18.880 I remember watching him like, so not to jump ahead. 0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:21.600 I'm like, so it takes fifty minutes for them to 0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:25.440 actually start playing basketball. They're so far set up in 0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:27.840 this movie, and I'm like, I don't want I didn't 0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:29.840 remember it taking this long for us to get to 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:34.000 the to the to the basketball bits. It's also once 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:36.360 we got to the basketball game, I'm like, there has 0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:38.440 to be more than one basketball game, but it's just 0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:44.360 the one, just one, just the one. There. The pacing 0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:49.440 in this movie is truly wild. Like I but Act 0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:52.359 one is fifty minutes long. There's no act too, and 0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:56.600 then Act three is like thirty minutes long. It took me. 0:27:56.720 --> 0:28:00.800 It wasn't until Michael Jordan's, in another brilliant acting moment, 0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:03.520 turned to the clock and he's like, there's ten seconds left. 0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:05.680 I was like, wait a second, is this the climax 0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:10.760 of the movie? And he says it so because he's like, 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:14.200 you know, in a green screen room, and who would 0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:16.520 have prepared him for this moment. He doesn't say it 0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:23.520 with that much urgency. He's like, there's ten seconds. He 0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:26.000 just is great, there's ten seconds left. I was like, 0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:28.800 oh my god, the movie is almost over. I didn't realize. 0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:31.960 I thought that was a second game. I was wrong. 0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:36.200 I forgot. Well that brings us to the beginning of 0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:39.120 the game, where the Tune squad is ready to play. 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.880 The game begins. Lola made the team off screen. She 0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:45.600 right the whole thing to talk about there no one 0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:51.120 else tried out right. Um. The Month Stars are beating 0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:54.640 the Looney Tunes pretty badly for like the first half 0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:59.040 of the game. Then during halftime Stan who has showed 0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.760 up Wayne Night, and he spies on the Monsters and 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:04.760 he's like, oh, they're winning because they stole the talent 0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:08.240 from these NBA players. Of um, so that's a discovery. 0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:14.840 He also accepts this very passively. He's like, yes, yeah, well, 0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:16.880 I guess I better go tell Michael Jordan that this 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:18.920 is what's happening. And then he tells Michael Jordan, and 0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:22.360 Michael Jordan's like, oh, so that's what happened. To those guys. 0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:26.320 I guess we'll just have to go from there. The 0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:30.200 humans are very passive in movie. They're just like, okay, well, 0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:33.080 let's think of a solution. Here's not a moment of 0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:37.840 like what right. So they start playing again, and the 0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:40.360 Looney Tunes are able to catch up in the score, 0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:44.080 and now they're only two points behind. But Michael Jordan's 0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:47.440 says to the owner of the of Moron Mountain, who 0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:51.120 has been getting a massage presumably this whole time, says 0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:53.920 that if the Looney Tunes, if the Tunes squad wins, 0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:56.600 then the Monsters have to give their talent back to 0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:59.719 the NBA players. But if the Monsters win, they can 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.720 of Michael Jordan's for more on mountain. Um, so the 0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:07.560 stakes have been heightened, tightened, the stakes very loud, and 0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:15.560 there's ten seconds left, nothing to everything. Michael jordan indentured 0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:19.840 servitude to save the single tear runs down here and 0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:24.200 you're like, that's right or do they keep referring to 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:31.160 it in the movie slavery? So okay, Um, So then 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.320 they play the last ten seconds. Oh um, a lot 0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:38.520 of people have gotten injured, so they need a fifth player. Yeah, 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:42.920 Lola Bunny has required rescuing. We'll get to that. Bunny 0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:47.800 gets squished and then and then kissed. Wayne Night has 0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:52.920 been squished and then inflated, and now all Michael Jordan 0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:55.080 has to do is make his arm really long. Right. 0:30:55.600 --> 0:31:01.040 But first Bill Murray shows up again. Basically, thank goodness, um, 0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:04.320 he's there to day s x mockina the plot. This 0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:08.040 doesn't do much for high like changing the steaks, but 0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:11.720 he does show up just as the fifth body that 0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:14.040 they needed. Yes, it just feels good. And also he 0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:15.120 has a line. We're like, oh, yeah, they did just 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:17.080 drop me in here, like I have connections. I was 0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:25.640 just like, it's like I love him. So so it's 0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:29.680 the last ten seconds Michael Jordan outstretches his arm all 0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:34.800 cartoonishly and they child will ever forget, Like it's not 0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.360 I mean it's I guess it's technically body horror, but 0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:44.520 for me it wasn't. I'm like, yeah, that's like superhero ship. Um. 0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:47.200 So he scores the game winning point, so the Tune 0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:51.200 Squad wins. The Monstars have to give their stolen power 0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:54.280 back um, but not before they kick their boss's ass 0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:58.800 um and then Michael Jordan brings the NBA players or 0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:02.800 talent back. He quits baseball and returns to basketball, and 0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:09.160 that is the story. So they're hearing Michael Jordan gives 0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:12.920 the NBA players their talent back. I mean, it's all 0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.840 the hero's journey, beat by beat. I mean nothing about it. 0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:20.560 Joseph Campbell could say anything about let's take a quick 0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.000 break and then we will come right back to discuss 0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:34.040 and we're back. Okay, Well where does start? Oh boy? 0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:37.600 Uh yeah, princess kick it off. No, before we get 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.280 into like like the beck Deli parts, I wanted to say, 0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:43.080 what's interesting is that, like, so these are why Michael 0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:47.880 Jordan's quit basketball to play baseball in real life is 0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:51.320 because his father had died three months prior and his 0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:55.480 father had played minor league, I believe, minor league baseball. 0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:57.240 And that was like a whole way of him being 0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:00.360 able to like be close to him and like pay 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:02.440 troopy to him. I mean, he was also terrible at it, 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:05.160 and I appreciate that the movie shows that, like he's 0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:06.920 really bad that people just like him so much. Like 0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:09.240 good job, Michael, I mean you failed, but like you 0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:12.080 look so good doing it. And I just watching that 0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:15.800 part again, Like that opening sequence is like really sad 0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:19.000 and touching in retrospect that he chose to immortalize like 0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:24.000 his father's legacy in like a film for children that 0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:26.440 he probably made to show his own children. So I 0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:28.080 just think it's kind of had like a little bit 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:31.239 of sweetness to um why he probably chose to make 0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:36.520 such a weird film. But he absolutely did not have 0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:41.640 to make this movie. No. So I learned, um when 0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:44.880 I was watching The Last Dance that because I was 0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:48.240 I didn't know. I mean I knew a lot, I guess, 0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:51.640 like what I had absorbed through cultural osmosis about Michael 0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:55.480 Jordan's career, but I didn't know like linear, like you know, 0:33:55.640 --> 0:34:00.200 the exact timeline until I watched the documentary and bass 0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:03.480 Jam comes at a like really interesting time in his career. 0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:07.720 Because I was like, why besides money, which we know 0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:10.320 Michael Jordan's is, like he has a lot of it, 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.560 and besides legacy, I was like, is there any other 0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:16.920 reason that he did this movie? And I guess a 0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:21.400 part of it is that Warner Brothers like provided him, 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:23.840 like he had a lot of stipulations in his contract 0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:26.759 of like shooting can't take up too much of his 0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:30.520 time because he was like retraining as he was shooting 0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:33.160 this movie. So Warner Brothers like provided him with his 0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:37.040 own like private basketball court to use throughout production of 0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:40.600 this movie. And like, I guess that I don't know 0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.759 that the documentary would have you believe that this having 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:47.839 this private space and having this very flexible schedule, um 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:50.240 was part of what allowed him to make a huge 0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:55.279 comeback because he was like this movie was shooting as 0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:59.480 he was kind of like relaunching his basketball career, which 0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:03.000 is interesting. I don't know. There wasn't a negative word 0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:06.160 set about Space Jam, and it sounds like everyone had 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:08.520 the time of their lives and it was good bonding 0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:12.080 for everybody. It's just the whole Sychael and Bugs are 0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:16.759 best friends to this day. Yes, of course I love 0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:20.480 I Actually that makes me happy because because of Michael 0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:23.200 Jordan's reputation, you could think that he could have been 0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:25.279 I mean they could probably they might not have said 0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:28.400 it that he could have been a real diva on shed, 0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:30.840 but it sounds like that wasn't the case. And to 0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:34.240 like have it pull in so many other really famous 0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:37.360 and like in their prime NBA players to be like 0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:38.719 do you want to just be silly in like a 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:43.480 children's movie for like a whole like twenty minutes. It's 0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:45.480 like it's it's That's one of the things I like 0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:48.160 about this movie. It doesn't take itself too seriously and 0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:50.040 like a lot of the things that were like are 0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:51.960 weird about it. I was like as a kid, I 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:54.680 remember thinking like, oh, yeah, like I totally believe the 0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:57.480 Lily to just live like a billion feet below ground 0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:00.719 like and also like I don't know, I think about 0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:04.359 how like hell right, it's also implied that they live 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:08.279 in hell, which means more on mountain is more on 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:12.600 mountain heaven then, And I just can't help but wonder 0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:15.800 like if if I if something happened to me and 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:17.960 like I got like I was pulled from the backdell 0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:20.400 cast and it's like, oh, you need to help the 0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:24.440 Looney Tunes, like you know, with an anime contest. A 0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:26.120 part of me would be like what the hell is 0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:27.279 going on? With A part of me was like this 0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:29.239 is kind of awesome, so I think I will do 0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:31.960 this roll with it. It's like if this is a 0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:34.080 fever dream, I don't want to be a waken from it. 0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:38.120 The Looney Tunes they came into Michael's life at a 0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:40.400 pivotal moment in his life, and he's like, all right, 0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:44.600 you know, everything happens for a reason, so here I am. 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:48.480 It's very the secret the way he approaches the fun 0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:51.680 of this movie. It's like I manifested this, so let's 0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:56.480 just let it happen. I mean, so, I guess one 0:36:56.560 --> 0:36:59.520 of the more fun and bizarre and princess you've already, 0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:01.880 like we've sort of been talking about it already, is 0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:04.960 the fact that this movie, which it never I don't know, 0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:07.000 I'd never framed it this way in my head, but 0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:08.640 the more I was reading about production and then just 0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:12.520 watching it, You're like, this is a seventy five minute commercial, 0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:17.080 Like this is top to bottom a very effective and 0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:21.360 entertaining marketing ploy for so many things that I almost 0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:25.239 lost count. It's like relaunching the Looney Tunes into like 0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:28.000 the popular as I guess. It is a commercial for 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.920 Michael Jordan's comeback. It's a commercial for the NBA. It's 0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:34.280 a commercial for five hundred different brands that they mentioned. 0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:37.400 It's like it's a commercial for so many things, to 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:43.600 the point where the director, Joe uh Pitka, he's only 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:47.320 directed two movies ever, and then he's directed five hundred commercials. 0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:51.200 He's a commercial director who has like all he's only 0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:55.080 directed commercials, including and music videos. Um so he's like 0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:59.480 a marketing guru. He's not necessarily like your traditional tour 0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:03.279 film maker. He has he had previously made commercials with 0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:07.280 Michael Jordan's he had directed a number of Michael Jackson 0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:11.200 music videos. Like he was an iconic marketer, and the 0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:14.600 fact that he's hired for this is like, well, this 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:17.640 movie is like is selling you a lot of stuff 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.520 all at once and people bought all of it. Like 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.839 there's there's a there's a line where like stand goes 0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:26.440 to like, you know, put on your hande like if 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:29.960 your nikes, get your gatorade, you know, eat yeah, And 0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:32.480 I'm just I know, and I'll get back and I'm 0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:35.800 just like and it came out so weirdly organically, but 0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:38.279 as an adult, I'm like, oh, that's so funny. But 0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:40.960 as a kid, I would like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:42.840 I do the thing. And I've never eats before in 0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:44.760 my life, but i know I've seen him on boxes 0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:46.960 of wheaties, so I'm like, oh yeah, like he of 0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:48.759 course he would eat cereal with your face on it 0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:52.160 and It's like in retrospect, Wayne Night is just listening 0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:56.759 off various Michael Jordan's endorsement deals. You're like, oh, this 0:38:57.000 --> 0:39:00.320 was a business thing. And then they're also like, you know, 0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:03.239 if we're putting like you know, the Looney Tuns versus 0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:07.200 Disney cartoons, Looney Tunes are far sillier and far more aware, 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:10.040 like self aware that they are cartoon characters that are 0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:14.120 owned by a company. But it's also very on display 0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:16.200 in this movie because there's that like a shot where 0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:18.480 Daffy Duck is showing that he has like a Warner 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:20.800 Brothers tattoo on the grass, and then he kisses it 0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:23.959 and he's like, I love being property of the Warner 0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:29.120 Brothers company. You're just like this movie is so weird 0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:34.120 because it is so flagrantly pro capitalism, but it also 0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:37.759 seems to be making fun of it and critiquing it 0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:39.800 in moments. But then you're like, but is it I 0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:42.600 don't know, I don't know. It's weirdly pro union, like 0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:45.480 they brag up. Someone said like he's like it's like 0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:49.800 we're a cartoon union members discussion about what's gonna happen, 0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:53.719 and I'm like wow, like like wait, they have a 0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:58.239 union meeting in Hell where they live. There's also a 0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:01.480 moment where um ugs so something like, hey, you know 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:05.040 all the like posters and lunch boxes and stuffed animals 0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:07.200 that have our faces on them, have we ever seen 0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:10.080 any money from that? And Daffy's like, not a cent, 0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:14.279 We're getting screwed. I was like, oh my gosh, but 0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:18.719 I love the Warner Brothers, the asked tattoo. I did 0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:22.120 not remember the asked tattoo shot and it really stuck 0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:24.960 with me this time around. And like, even to get 0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:28.040 into Looney Tunes Hell, you have to pass through a 0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:32.719 Warner Brothers logo, so branded on top of branded, on 0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:35.640 top of branded. It's like it is wild and it's 0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:41.680 a commercial for University of North Carolina. Yeah yeah, I 0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:45.600 watched them after every game and Michael's dad is like, wow, 0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:49.200 that's a good school at the very beginning, So yeah, 0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:55.000 good education their son. There are so many elements of 0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:59.680 essentially on display in this but it's just like a 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:03.840 pure period of such flagrant spending and capitalism and like 0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:07.160 glorifying that, uh in a way that the movie is 0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:10.399 like I think that maybe that's what hits a little 0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:13.640 different for me, Like looking back on it is most 0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:18.640 movies that are really glorifying capitalism don't seem quite as 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:22.320 aware of it as this movie repeatedly references that it 0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:24.920 is very aware that it is selling you something. And 0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:27.880 they'll break the fourth wall to sell you something. They'll 0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:30.520 have an ask tattoo to sell you something, and so 0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.480 it's like everyone is so aware of what they're doing 0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:37.279 because they're commercial directors. Like it's just I don't know, 0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:41.520 it's fascinating. There's nothing else like it that's just popular 0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.799 or long and has been so successful. Like I always 0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:46.919 said that like Spam is like a black movie because 0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:50.600 I feel like it does tap into that. Like hip 0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:53.960 hop culture loves Luony too. It's like Jay Z wrote 0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:57.120 a whole Bugs Bunny wrap and helped curate the soundtrack 0:41:57.239 --> 0:42:01.040 for this movie, and like that is like it's everyone 0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:02.600 loves it in that sense. But like I think like 0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.160 the black community and like the hip hop community really 0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:08.000 latched onto the aesthetics of this space. I like, I'll 0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:11.839 see like Bugs, Bunny, Hoodies, Taz, like Daffy, Like those 0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:14.080 characters are very much tied to that. And I think 0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:16.759 that even by like just putting Michael Jordan in a 0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:20.800 production of that just kind of shows how Michael Jordan's 0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:24.880 the public figure had sort of been elevated to this 0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:29.359 place of like success because I can't because even now 0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:30.960 I'm like, you know, the next time they made this 0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:34.080 kind of like crossover lud To movie, it was like 0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:37.160 with like Brendan Fraser at the end of his career 0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:40.719 and it didn't go well at all. Yeah, And it's 0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:43.840 like and it's like, you really can't imagine someone besides 0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:46.880 like a Beyonce with her now with her Disney stuff, 0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:49.680 being like a black celebrity being attached to like such 0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:51.880 a brand this popular, because like it's a risk for 0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:54.000 Warner Brothers too to be like, yeah, we're gonna make 0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:57.000 this a movie where like most of the people who 0:42:57.080 --> 0:43:00.120 are actually people in this are like black people, and 0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.320 like the black actors are hold most of the power 0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:06.960 um and and influence, and like you were saying, Caitlin, 0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:10.480 like that, Wayne Knight is completely his plot is completely 0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:14.839 subservient and dependent on whatever it is Michael Jordan's is doing. 0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:18.040 If Michael Jordan has dragged to hell by cartoons, Wayne 0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:23.279 Night must go to help to rescue him, like yeah, 0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:25.120 and then we've got like Bill Murray, who's just like, 0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:28.560 can I be in the NBA too, Like that's his 0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:30.719 whole thing. And then he's like, is it because I'm white? 0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:32.680 And they're like and they like Larry is white. He's like, 0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:42.560 Larry's not white, Larry is clear, funny the and and 0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:46.960 even like Bill Murray seems to sort of be playing himself, 0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:50.440 where like his whole persona is that I just show up. 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:54.040 I'm just around, I'm at your wedding, I'm at your house, 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:56.640 and so he's sort of like, I'm at space Jam. 0:43:56.800 --> 0:44:00.560 I'm in the movie playing myself. Why I don't know. 0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:05.000 So he's like also just doing Bill Murray. And doesn't 0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:07.239 he also play himself in zombie Land. I feel like 0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:09.839 there are several movies when he placed himself, but I'll 0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:11.560 say he did a much better, like when her britend 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:13.480 Zombielane is a land where they're like they asked him, like, 0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:15.520 do you regret anything? And he says, garshield him like 0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:18.279 that's right because he knows Space dam is like up there. 0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:20.880 It's like the top ten of what he's done. No 0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:25.160 regrets truly, it is, so I mean, and and it's 0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:27.000 it's good to have Bill Murray in the mix for 0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:29.200 the green screen scenes too, because I feel like I 0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:32.839 found out that the people who are playing the monstars 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:36.080 for for Michael Jordan to play against where people from 0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:39.279 ground lengs. They just put groundlings people in green screen 0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:42.480 suits and they're like run play basketball with Michael Jordan's 0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:45.040 and then so like a bunch of improv heads from 0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:49.600 the nineties were just running around like with Michael Jordan's. 0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:54.400 This is just something that happened, which they were the 0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:57.640 stand ins for the Looney Tunes, and then they hired 0:44:57.719 --> 0:45:00.680 pro basketball players to be to like be the standards 0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:02.719 for the month stars for the month Stars. Yeah, but 0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:06.160 for for like Lola Bunny was like a groundling in 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:09.920 a green screen suit, and then Michael Jordan had to 0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:15.359 be like, wow, this girl has skills. Amen. Um, let's 0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:18.759 take a quick break, a quick time out, and then 0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:27.480 we will be right back and we're back. Uh. And 0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:30.960 we had just mentioned Lola Bunny, which is a good 0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:35.080 transition to talk about like the weird place that Lola 0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:39.800 occupies is like the token chick who's like invented to 0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:43.440 be the new token Lily Tune chick. And how like 0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:49.120 as someone who's always really attached and loved that character. 0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:51.640 I'm really interested to see what you guys have to 0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:55.600 have to say about her, because I I'm very well 0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:57.799 and dear to her. Oh and I was I mentioned. 0:45:57.840 --> 0:46:00.440 I want to say this. So the biggest reason why 0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:03.279 I love Lola, besides all the things that I think 0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:05.000 are like you know it can be problematic about her, 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:07.680 is that there is something about seeing the only other 0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:12.800 good player on this basketball team is a female character. 0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:16.840 Because the w n b A had just formed in 0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:20.000 this movie came out and they wouldn't play another game 0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:23.960 until next year the year after this, and like you 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.480 get the scene with like Charles Barkley like going up 0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:28.560 against those women and they like dominate him and they're like, 0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:31.680 you're a scrub, get out of here. And like Lola 0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:38.200 is like the most competent player on the team. But 0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:42.400 yet whenever I read like critiques of her, they're always 0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:47.000 like she's too sexy, and I just don't know. I 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:49.000 guess it's because I don't really look at her and 0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:52.600 sexualized her instantly that I always was like, is that 0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:56.520 really like a problem with like her? Or is it 0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:58.960 just like that a lot of men of that age 0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:02.160 will just asside sex, two boobs, and then it's just 0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:04.200 like Okay, we're going to go from there. But I 0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:05.719 would love to hear what you guys think about it, 0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:10.960 because I know it's like one of those hashtag. I 0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:15.200 am also very attached to Lola because it's like and 0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:18.440 it's weird because I feel like, in like rewatching it 0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:22.560 for this recording, I'm realizing that I projected things onto 0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:26.239 Lola that maybe weren't actually there because she's not she's 0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:28.640 she's on screen for a total of five minutes. She 0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:31.480 doesn't come in until almost forty minutes into the movie. 0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:34.840 So I think that I like, because she is like 0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:38.879 the female character who is active, I projected so much 0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:42.359 onto her that like is sort of there, but also 0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:44.920 kind of isn't where I view her to be like 0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:49.160 really important in this moment where like you're saying princess, 0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:54.160 Like women's athletics are actually being televised at this point 0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:58.239 and they're actually like being spotlighted, but there's still a 0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:00.440 lot of like there was like a controversy see around 0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:05.480 this time where when like men were narrating stuff going narrating. 0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:13.880 I don't know how sports worket, but likeinggging during the Olympics, 0:48:14.000 --> 0:48:16.879 like they would only refer to women just using their 0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:19.480 first names and kind of infantilizing them and commenting on 0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:21.320 their bodies all the time. So it was like women 0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:25.360 were actually being shown, but they still weren't being treated 0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:29.040 with respect. And it feels like Lola kind of exists 0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:33.280 in that same space where she is like a gifted 0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:36.920 basketball player. She knows this, she is active and like 0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:43.080 asserting this for herself, but she's still presented so sexually, 0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:45.919 and I don't like it's hard because it's like that's 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:50.200 not her fault. It fucks with my head, right because 0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:54.320 it's like, this is a female character who is created 0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:59.520 by five hundred men and and conceived for this movie. 0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:01.840 She did not exist in Loney Tunes Cannon prior to 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:05.560 this movie. She was created to be on this basketball 0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:08.760 team so anything. So this is like there's no prior 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:11.560 cannon for her, So she's very much a product of 0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:16.080 this exact time. And I do feel like I like, 0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:19.600 really I watched her introduction scene like four or five 0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:24.480 times just to just to catch everything, and I don't know, 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:27.440 I feel like there are it has a lot of 0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:33.359 like nineties nineties like feminism about it. Because I feel 0:49:33.360 --> 0:49:36.439 like she is saying one thing and then like she's 0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:39.799 doing another thing where she's like there's that moment where 0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:42.640 she walks in and she's like, I wanna try out 0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:45.120 for the basketball team. Look what I can do. But 0:49:45.239 --> 0:49:48.680 then the way that she's animated is like she's moving 0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:52.600 in a way to like titilate other characters. It's just 0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:56.040 so it's really confusing. You can tell that they're very 0:49:56.120 --> 0:50:00.640 much pulling from Jessica rabbit um to like you know, 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:04.560 with this movie format. I don't I love her so much. 0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:07.520 I love her so hard. Lola Bunny is the Megan 0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:10.680 Fox of Looney Tunes to me, because there's an element 0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:15.719 of like it's like the thing of like framing versus action. Yeah, 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:18.360 and then at the same time I think of, like, 0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:20.920 you know what the thing that buzz means. I remember 0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:24.040 one reviewer kept on like she's got bunny boobs, and 0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:26.400 I just kept thinking, like, why are you guys so 0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:32.080 weird about sexy female animals. I don't understand it because, like, 0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:35.600 like as someone who like I remember watching like the 0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:38.239 Lion King to Simba's Prime thing, and like Covu is 0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:40.560 kind of hot for like a lion, but I don't 0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:44.560 like sexualize him. Like in Gargoyles you have Goliath who 0:50:44.680 --> 0:50:49.160 was like a male anthropomorphic lizard person in a loincloth, 0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:51.960 but that doesn't distract you from like all the other 0:50:52.160 --> 0:50:55.600 things that that character does. It's like, obviously a hottie, 0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:59.480 but like here to do gargoyle things. And the thing 0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:02.000 about I think you hit on so well is that 0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:04.839 she is going to let that girl power like don't 0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:08.200 call me doll thing, but she also has to be 0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:14.360 an object of the lust for bugs, which is weird 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:17.200 because you can tell her. She's like, oh, you're cute, 0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:19.040 but you called me a name that I don't like, 0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:21.120 so I have to like disrespect you to your face. 0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:23.520 And then he's like, I'm into it, which makes me 0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:25.880 respect bugs a little bit. But it is that, but 0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:30.479 it is weird because then later on she's the only 0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:34.600 character you see not get injured on screen. Yes, okay, yeah, 0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:37.080 which bothers me more than her being rescued. But yeah. 0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:39.600 The way that cartoon violence is dealt with in this 0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:42.440 movie and the way that the female characters are designed. 0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:45.200 We've talked about this with animated movies before, where it's 0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:49.240 like the way that male identified cartoons can be designed 0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:51.880 almost in any way, and they can look super goofy, 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:54.279 or they can be really tall, really short. There's any 0:51:54.360 --> 0:51:58.600 amount of body diversity that can exist within male coded cartoons, 0:51:59.160 --> 0:52:01.920 but when it's a female coded cartoon, that is not 0:52:02.040 --> 0:52:06.400 the case. It looks like a sexualized human woman period. 0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:09.720 And the violence is much the same. Like she's she's 0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:13.080 not squished in the way, like she's not treated the 0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:15.680 same rules of gravity don't apply to her. It's there's 0:52:15.719 --> 0:52:19.279 really nothing. She's not looney. It's a matter of like, yeah, 0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:22.520 like the same rules don't apply to her. I actually, okay, 0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:25.040 I kind of want to like take the few beats 0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:26.800 that she has in this movie, just sort of like 0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:30.799 beat by beat examine them because, like you said, Jamie, 0:52:30.880 --> 0:52:33.600 she shows up in the movie about forty minutes in 0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:36.959 for the first time because they're all the liney tunes 0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:40.400 are in the plot. Yeah, there's not so much exposition 0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:43.640 before this. They're in a gym preparing for the game, 0:52:44.239 --> 0:52:46.680 like they're all playing. They're all proving to be very 0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:49.960 bad at basketball, and Michael Jordan's says, has anyone around 0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:52.960 here played basketball before? And then lolad Bunny shows up 0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:57.239 and she says, I have bugs Bunny is immediately attracted 0:52:57.280 --> 0:53:00.040 to her. He has like hearts in his eyes. I 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:01.920 have a lot to say about that too, because bugs 0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:07.400 Bunny is not like a hyper like sexual creature history right, like, 0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:13.399 but bugs Bunny wasn't like testosterone like super hetero over 0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:20.000 masculine eyes before this movie. It's just so anyways, sorry right, So, 0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:23.719 So he's patronizing in sexist to her because he says 0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:25.560 something like I want to play a little one on 0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:28.440 one doll, basically being like, want to go fuck me 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:33.359 right now, please doll, please doll. And she's like, I'm 0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:37.160 about to just dominate your ass, right yes for the culture, 0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:42.200 because yeah, she's infuriated by this suggestion of his and 0:53:42.360 --> 0:53:45.000 her like you know, fire springs up in her eyes. Well, 0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:47.640 she says she's infuriated, but then the way she's framed 0:53:47.719 --> 0:53:53.520 implies that she is not infuriated. It's so confusing. It 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:56.880 is like Megan Fox is the perfect comparison of like, 0:53:57.719 --> 0:54:02.359 like on paper, what mackay of Banks says is very 0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:05.319 oh cool, this is a motivated female character, but then 0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:08.359 the way you see her doesn't back that up. It's 0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:11.200 so confusing. There's like an identical moment in the first 0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:15.920 Transformers movie where like her sexist boyfriend, Megan Fox's sexist 0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:19.000 boyfriend says something like get in the car, a little bunny. 0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:21.520 I think he calls her a bunny, and then she says, like, 0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:24.240 you can't tell you how much I'm not your little bunny. 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:30.239 So maybe a reference to Space Jam No, but you know, 0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:35.640 Transformers and Space Jam Alike proceed to really over sexualize 0:54:35.680 --> 0:54:37.520 her the rest of the time, and you know there's 0:54:37.560 --> 0:54:40.360 a we can talk about her character design more, but 0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:44.080 um back to back to the story beats. So she 0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:48.040 dominates him in basketball, proves to be the only good 0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:53.080 tune player. She leaves bugs says, oh, she's obviously nuts 0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:56.040 about me, and then Michael Jordan's, on the other hand, 0:54:56.120 --> 0:55:01.440 is like, that girl's got some skills and recognizing a 0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:05.120 woman's talent. Wow, that girl has skills, right, that's find 0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:12.000 that second incredible oscar skills. So she's only on screen 0:55:12.320 --> 0:55:15.359 in this scene for probably like twenty seconds, and then 0:55:15.480 --> 0:55:19.880 Tweetie Bird also says she's hot and also tweet doesn't 0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:22.520 have sex. Tweet doesn't believe in sex. Please. I was 0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:24.320 so disgusted Why that I was like me is a 0:55:24.480 --> 0:55:28.640 sexless character. You're just like, why is Tweetie horny? I 0:55:28.760 --> 0:55:31.640 didn't like a sexual icon. Tweet Bird did not need 0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:35.200 to be dragged into this, like just like just like 0:55:35.400 --> 0:55:41.920 let him be, let be whatever. That is of all 0:55:41.960 --> 0:55:43.800 the weird things that happened in that scene, that is 0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:46.600 the worst part for me is tweety Bird going, WHOA, 0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:51.719 she is hot. You're like, tweets this is I friend 0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:58.600 better from you? I thought you were an ally so 0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:01.000 then um as I think Jamie, it was you who 0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:04.239 mentioned that she off screen gets a spot on the 0:56:04.280 --> 0:56:08.080 basketball team. We don't see this. This has never made 0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:11.320 clear that she like officially makes the team, because the 0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:14.360 focus of the scene quickly shifts back to you know, 0:56:14.440 --> 0:56:18.120 bugs bunny sexual attraction to her, rather than her basketball skills. 0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:21.200 Although I do feel like, in an inadvertent way, I 0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:23.440 will give the movie a little credit by saying, you know, 0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:27.000 she has to be infinitely more skilled to be on 0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:31.239 the team than her male counterparts who do not know 0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:36.799 how to play basketball at all. But that falls into 0:56:36.920 --> 0:56:40.840 the there's this trope and I don't know what it's called, 0:56:41.040 --> 0:56:44.960 but it's basically when any narrative will have one main 0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:49.880 female character. She's surrounded by less only other men. What 0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:54.440 is it principle? Yes, yes, So she's shown to be 0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:59.840 super competent. She is usually very conventionally attractive um but 0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:02.759 ultimately never gets to do that much except you know, 0:57:02.880 --> 0:57:06.920 maybe have a few kick ass cool lady moments and 0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:09.080 then the rest of the movie will be about someone else. 0:57:09.200 --> 0:57:12.160 Like she falls squarely into that for me, And that's 0:57:12.239 --> 0:57:15.800 even in that Like I feel like there's a million 0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:20.280 versions of the like Lola Bunny entrance moment when she 0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:23.080 you know, like bugs Bunny is clearly not expecting her 0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:27.280 to be good at basketball, and then every you know, 0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:28.960 like a man on the court has to be like 0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:33.160 whoa she did thing like which happens all. I feel 0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:35.720 like it's most common in like action movies, where it's 0:57:35.760 --> 0:57:39.120 like what that mixed we need article we can't stop 0:57:39.200 --> 0:57:41.400 sighting for five years, where it's like I am a 0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:44.320 woman and I kick, and then when when she kicks, 0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:47.800 everyone goes, oh my god, she made a kick, And 0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:50.960 I guess she hangs out with us now because she 0:57:51.080 --> 0:57:54.680 made a kick. But mostly she'll just be you know, 0:57:55.160 --> 0:57:59.280 a love interest. Yes, but she's a really good basketball player. 0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:02.160 I know, and it a weird thing because like, when 0:58:02.200 --> 0:58:05.080 I think about the mostly male critics I've heard, like 0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:08.640 SKay Little, They'll be like, she's just an excessive character 0:58:08.920 --> 0:58:10.840 that like doesn't fit into the movie. And I'm like, 0:58:11.560 --> 0:58:15.520 she's on screen for five minutes, yet you have whole 0:58:15.640 --> 0:58:18.640 think pieces about how she ruined space jams for you, 0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:20.880 or like how she ruined Bugs Bunny. And it's like, 0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:23.440 I think it's fair to critique, as Jamie points out, 0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:28.360 like how they use Lola to sexualize bugs in the 0:58:28.400 --> 0:58:29.960 way it like I think he only had one other 0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:32.920 girlfriend before, named Honey Bunny, who basically just looks like 0:58:33.080 --> 0:58:36.280 really like Bugs Bunny but in drag. But like, overall, 0:58:36.440 --> 0:58:39.400 he's always like paying the seductress or something like it. 0:58:39.600 --> 0:58:42.320 In his own self is like a wacky character. And 0:58:42.440 --> 0:58:44.360 the only way they knew how to introduce a female 0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:47.640 character was to be like, well, she has to date somebody, um, 0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:49.920 And so you have this catch money two where like 0:58:49.960 --> 0:58:52.080 you can't spend a lot of time on this character 0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:55.200 that no one came to see, but you have to 0:58:55.320 --> 0:58:59.480 do enough to establish their presence. And because they have 0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:03.680 chosen to make Lola the girl friend, they have to 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:07.840 spend one of her five minutes of fame in having 0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:10.560 a scene in which she gets rescued by bugs, which 0:59:10.600 --> 0:59:14.160 wouldn't even bother me as much because we'll get to 0:59:14.160 --> 0:59:16.080 in a second, it wouldn't even bother me as much 0:59:16.240 --> 0:59:22.680 if she had a wacky moment anywhere in between that, right, yeah, 0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:25.840 where it's like she is set up in this huge 0:59:25.920 --> 0:59:28.680 way where you hope that you're going to get some 0:59:28.920 --> 0:59:31.320 sort of b plot with her that is not the 0:59:31.480 --> 0:59:34.280 love story, but she doesn't get that. You know, most 0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:36.479 of the things that happened with her seemed to happen 0:59:36.520 --> 0:59:39.240 off screen. And then yeah, you get this big moment 0:59:39.240 --> 0:59:41.480 at the end where she has to be rescued by bugs. 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:43.920 That was the moment where I realized, I'm like, oh, 0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:46.640 the rules of gravity that apply to the Looney Tunes 0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:51.160 are not extended to her for some reason. And then 0:59:51.240 --> 0:59:53.200 she has to go over to Bugs and say, you're 0:59:53.240 --> 0:59:55.760 the nicest guy I've ever met, and now I give 0:59:55.840 --> 0:59:58.840 you the kiss that you've earned by being squished, and 0:59:59.760 --> 1:00:03.439 then she kisses him, and it's it's just like, yeah, 1:00:03.560 --> 1:00:06.400 she deserved a better landing point than that, because we 1:00:06.600 --> 1:00:08.920 I do appreciate that at very least you get to 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:11.920 see her like be very skilled. She contributes a lot 1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:14.400 to the game. She's like a big reason of why 1:00:14.480 --> 1:00:16.840 they catch up. She's like the second best player in 1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:21.720 the team after Michael Jordan's. Maybe she's even better than 1:00:21.760 --> 1:00:25.160 Michael Jordan's, right, I mean she can do she could 1:00:25.200 --> 1:00:27.680 jump much higher than him because she is a bunny. 1:00:29.960 --> 1:00:32.680 But you're right, especially because we established it, like they 1:00:32.800 --> 1:00:35.000 don't hurt for a long time, so it's not as 1:00:35.040 --> 1:00:37.880 if her getting squished would matter because she's gonna be 1:00:38.000 --> 1:00:41.760 fine because she's a cartoon character. And like that's and 1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:44.000 that's the like, there's a lot of things that I 1:00:44.120 --> 1:00:47.120 don't really have issues with with Lola, but that is 1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:49.240 the that is literally the only thing that I hate 1:00:49.440 --> 1:00:51.960 about how her characters can see is like, and even 1:00:52.000 --> 1:00:54.480 the rescuing, I don't I wouldn't mind, because I don't 1:00:54.600 --> 1:00:58.720 think that being rescued one time inherently invalidates like a 1:00:58.760 --> 1:01:02.080 female character's agency. But it's like it's because there is 1:01:02.200 --> 1:01:06.120 nothing else that shows that she has the same versatility 1:01:06.200 --> 1:01:10.840 of because they harmed the grandma, they harmed the grandma. Oh, 1:01:10.920 --> 1:01:13.320 we have no issue harming older women. Yeah, And like 1:01:13.480 --> 1:01:15.240 you know, the which was in there that she would 1:01:15.240 --> 1:01:18.000 absolutely get her ask kick. But it's like Lola's like 1:01:18.160 --> 1:01:20.520 the hottie, so she can't even like have like a 1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:25.480 weird uh boob like clamp like Jessica Rabbit did in 1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:29.160 that one thing. It's like it's like nope. And even 1:01:29.240 --> 1:01:32.080 the way she's like introduced in the game small forwards 1:01:32.120 --> 1:01:35.240 standing at a scintillating three ft two like they're just 1:01:35.360 --> 1:01:38.160 like a heart throb of the hoops. I like, I 1:01:38.320 --> 1:01:40.040 want to give the movie credit and be like they're 1:01:40.120 --> 1:01:44.280 commenting on how commentators treat female athletes, but absolutely, there's 1:01:44.320 --> 1:01:47.200 no way that's the truth. That's how people were commenting 1:01:47.240 --> 1:01:49.960 on female athletes at this time. And the same thing 1:01:50.080 --> 1:01:53.880 with her. I mean, granted iconic. Did I google Lola 1:01:53.960 --> 1:01:56.760 Bunny crop top just to see if they're so available 1:01:56.840 --> 1:02:02.160 in my area today? Yes, But her uniform is, let's say, 1:02:02.240 --> 1:02:05.360 perhaps different from everyone else's, and like the reasons are 1:02:05.480 --> 1:02:07.840 and and it's it is like that thing where I'm like, 1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:11.720 I love the uniform, I want it, but it's there 1:02:11.840 --> 1:02:16.120 for a very specific reason. I like a lot of 1:02:16.400 --> 1:02:20.800 like nineties female heroes that we were kind of brought 1:02:20.880 --> 1:02:25.160 up with. There's some real, like good at the core, 1:02:25.400 --> 1:02:28.200 and then the way the plot treats this character is 1:02:28.600 --> 1:02:32.080 generally not fair. I don't blame like Lola Bunny for 1:02:32.240 --> 1:02:35.400 any way that she's treated. It's the characters around her 1:02:35.560 --> 1:02:38.640 and the way that the story treats her that is 1:02:39.240 --> 1:02:42.480 my issue. And it's what I was looking up because 1:02:43.120 --> 1:02:45.360 this is I mean, I feel like, you know, creating 1:02:45.480 --> 1:02:50.080 a new Cannon Looney Tunes character is a huge opportunity. 1:02:50.160 --> 1:02:52.520 They have existed since the nineteen thirties, Like this is 1:02:52.560 --> 1:02:55.880 like over sixty years into a very you know the 1:02:55.960 --> 1:02:59.120 Looney Tunes have I mean, we can brush on it, 1:02:59.200 --> 1:03:03.720 but a very sordid history. Uh. And and there's you know, 1:03:03.800 --> 1:03:07.000 there's like this famous these famous eleven racist Looney Tune 1:03:07.000 --> 1:03:09.080 cartoons that have been buried. But then they were like, 1:03:09.120 --> 1:03:11.560 we're going to release it on DVD and then everyone 1:03:11.720 --> 1:03:15.320 was like, don't do that, and I said, okay, Uh, 1:03:16.320 --> 1:03:19.320 But the Looney Tunes have this whole like history going 1:03:19.400 --> 1:03:21.800 back all this time, So introducing a new character is 1:03:21.840 --> 1:03:25.600 a huge opportunity to make a statement and like do 1:03:25.840 --> 1:03:28.960 something new and different, and it doesn't really go that far, 1:03:29.480 --> 1:03:33.640 especially when like the most recognizable and familiar Looney Tuns 1:03:33.760 --> 1:03:37.680 characters are all male. H there aren't many female leaning 1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:40.160 Tuns period, like I think. I think even with Tiny 1:03:40.280 --> 1:03:43.560 Tunes when they had that show, they only had like 1:03:44.160 --> 1:03:46.280 I think one or two female characters, and it was 1:03:46.320 --> 1:03:48.560 like a female elm or Flood type and then like 1:03:48.840 --> 1:03:51.800 another like proto Lola Bunny type. It goes back to 1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:56.200 like those Anita Sarkisian videos from ten years ago, where 1:03:56.240 --> 1:03:59.920 it's like just making the MSS version of an existing 1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:03.360 male character throw a bow on her head and now 1:04:03.520 --> 1:04:07.560 she's now we have another character, and which was like, uh, 1:04:07.960 --> 1:04:10.640 you know, Bugs Bunny's original girlfriend. At least Lola Bunny 1:04:10.800 --> 1:04:14.360 is an original character. And then I did a little 1:04:14.400 --> 1:04:16.200 bit of reason because I was like, what is Lola 1:04:16.280 --> 1:04:19.720 done since Space Jam? This is a topic that I've 1:04:19.760 --> 1:04:23.920 excited to get into because I have like I'm very so, 1:04:24.080 --> 1:04:26.600 I'm very new to this. I did not know a 1:04:26.720 --> 1:04:30.360 ton about the second iteration of Lola Bunny, but it 1:04:30.560 --> 1:04:34.560 is fascinating and very telling. Where So she is brought 1:04:34.640 --> 1:04:38.560 back in in a big way for the Loony Tune Show. 1:04:38.680 --> 1:04:41.600 This time she's voiced by Kristen Wigg and her character 1:04:42.320 --> 1:04:50.000 is somehow stripped of agency significantly significant. Yeah, where I'll 1:04:50.080 --> 1:04:53.120 just read off her character description as opposed to her 1:04:53.160 --> 1:04:56.880 personality and space Jam. She has portrayed as a scatter brained, indecisive, 1:04:56.960 --> 1:04:59.760 gabby young rabbit who tends to obsess over bugs, whom 1:04:59.840 --> 1:05:02.600 she referred to as bun Bunny. She is very dedicated 1:05:02.640 --> 1:05:05.120 to achieving goals, but oftentime tends to forget what she 1:05:05.320 --> 1:05:08.400 was doing. Like it's just she is portrayed as being 1:05:08.640 --> 1:05:11.280 obsessed with bugs and he has no interest in her 1:05:11.400 --> 1:05:13.520 and he tells her to go away all the time. 1:05:13.800 --> 1:05:17.920 It's like what, I can't even tell you how this 1:05:18.080 --> 1:05:21.720 infuriated me because I would see male critics that hated 1:05:21.760 --> 1:05:23.640 Lola Bunny and Space h and be like the Litte 1:05:23.720 --> 1:05:26.840 Tune Show fixed Lola. They finally made her Louie, and 1:05:26.960 --> 1:05:28.840 so I went to go And this is why I 1:05:28.880 --> 1:05:30.600 don't trust people who don't like Lola for like that 1:05:30.640 --> 1:05:32.200 our men sometimes, because I'm just like, I can't trust 1:05:32.200 --> 1:05:34.480 you because your opinions are whack. Because then I go 1:05:34.600 --> 1:05:36.880 to like wash the show, and I'm excide, I'm like, okay, Lola, 1:05:36.960 --> 1:05:39.360 and then she's like obsessed with bugs Bunny, and so 1:05:39.480 --> 1:05:41.440 I was like, so was this the problem that you 1:05:41.560 --> 1:05:43.960 had with Lola that like she's the one who doesn't 1:05:44.000 --> 1:05:46.360 really care about bugs until like he does something for 1:05:46.520 --> 1:05:49.600 her that should make her care, because you guys seem 1:05:49.640 --> 1:05:51.920 to be totally fine with her just being like completely 1:05:52.040 --> 1:05:54.920 obsessive with him and like, oh, well, now she's wacky. 1:05:55.440 --> 1:05:58.680 I hated it, and I hated how I saw some 1:05:58.840 --> 1:06:03.480 people like finally because for me, in between that period, 1:06:04.000 --> 1:06:07.960 there were these comics with Lola Bunny where she was 1:06:08.040 --> 1:06:11.439 like a pizza delivery girl, which is like really weird, 1:06:11.800 --> 1:06:14.320 but I have one of them somewhere, and she got 1:06:14.440 --> 1:06:18.600 to be basically like a mischievous like bunny. He was 1:06:18.680 --> 1:06:20.760 trying to trick people, like I think she delivered some 1:06:20.840 --> 1:06:22.960 pizzas and they don't want to tip her, and she 1:06:23.160 --> 1:06:25.960 was like, oh, I want to torture you until you 1:06:26.080 --> 1:06:30.040 tip me. And I'm just like worker rights, yes, tipier 1:06:30.160 --> 1:06:32.800 delivery person. But like I was like, okay, So when 1:06:32.800 --> 1:06:34.960 they bring back Lola, that's how she's gonna be. That 1:06:35.040 --> 1:06:38.000 she's gonna be like an actually demoded Yeah, she's gonna 1:06:38.000 --> 1:06:40.800 be like a zany character that like is on the 1:06:40.960 --> 1:06:43.040 level of bugs. And then they just made her an 1:06:43.040 --> 1:06:48.920 obsessive girlfriend who like broke down bugs until he liked her. 1:06:49.080 --> 1:06:51.680 And I'm like, that's the kind of female that's usually 1:06:51.720 --> 1:06:54.200 like the opposite of the smurfet. There's always like the 1:06:54.320 --> 1:06:57.680 smurfet character that everyone wants to date, and then like 1:06:57.840 --> 1:07:01.959 the loser girl usually as pigtails that like really wants 1:07:02.000 --> 1:07:05.160 to a league character and they're like, not you, childhood friend, 1:07:05.600 --> 1:07:07.680 I want the other one. And I was just like, 1:07:08.520 --> 1:07:11.080 this is not how you were vamp a character that 1:07:11.280 --> 1:07:13.920 was kind of very male gazy. This is not the 1:07:13.960 --> 1:07:16.560 way to do it. It's it is, I mean, and 1:07:16.800 --> 1:07:19.360 it speaks to a lot of I mean issues at large, 1:07:19.400 --> 1:07:22.520 but also specifically an animation where it is just it 1:07:22.680 --> 1:07:27.400 is still so siss had white male dominated in so 1:07:27.600 --> 1:07:30.880 many ways that it and it has improved over time, 1:07:30.920 --> 1:07:34.160 but the fact that like sixteen years after this movie 1:07:34.240 --> 1:07:37.160 came out, that this character could somehow be forced backwards 1:07:38.240 --> 1:07:41.200 speaks to how there has not been a ton of 1:07:41.280 --> 1:07:46.320 progress in the animation space of how like really any 1:07:47.000 --> 1:07:51.040 non siss Had white Meryl coded character is treated, and 1:07:51.160 --> 1:07:54.480 it has possibly slid backwards in a lot of ways. 1:07:55.400 --> 1:07:59.120 I was so disappointed to learn that I've never seen 1:07:59.200 --> 1:08:02.920 that twelve Looney Tunes iteration. Well, I would argue that 1:08:03.360 --> 1:08:06.080 that evolution of her character that we see over the 1:08:06.200 --> 1:08:09.560 years is hinted at by the end of Space Jam. 1:08:09.720 --> 1:08:12.920 And again, this is not a critique of her character 1:08:13.080 --> 1:08:15.160 so much. It is, as it is a critique of 1:08:15.280 --> 1:08:18.880 how the movie frames and treats her. But in the game, 1:08:19.479 --> 1:08:21.960 we don't see her play that much because there's you know, 1:08:22.040 --> 1:08:23.960 they have to give screen time to all the Looney 1:08:24.000 --> 1:08:26.320 Tunes and see all the little things that they get into. 1:08:26.880 --> 1:08:29.000 But there will be a few cutaways to you know, 1:08:29.160 --> 1:08:31.920 her dribbling or making shots and stuff. And then there's 1:08:31.920 --> 1:08:35.080 one moment in particular where one of the month stars 1:08:35.320 --> 1:08:37.920 is like, try to get by me, doll, and then 1:08:38.040 --> 1:08:40.760 she does get past him using her basketball skills, and 1:08:41.080 --> 1:08:44.080 she scores, and then she says, don't ever call me doll, 1:08:44.240 --> 1:08:46.320 which is the same exact thing that you know, bugs 1:08:46.360 --> 1:08:48.920 Bunny did to her, except she's about to fall in 1:08:49.000 --> 1:08:51.280 love with him, because the next thing that happens is 1:08:51.439 --> 1:08:55.440 like the he saves her, and then she's so enamored 1:08:56.160 --> 1:08:58.880 by being rescued and she's like, that's the nicest thing 1:08:58.920 --> 1:09:02.559 that ever then anyone's ever done for me, she kisses him, 1:09:03.320 --> 1:09:06.479 and then a little bit later in the movie, he surprised, 1:09:06.600 --> 1:09:09.679 he surprised, kisses her, but she's all like, hubba, hubba, 1:09:10.600 --> 1:09:16.120 I'm your girlfriend now, yeah, I mean for me, that's 1:09:16.160 --> 1:09:20.080 like es feminism is just catchphrase. Feminism is just repeating 1:09:20.240 --> 1:09:23.360 an aphorism that sounds empowering but actually isn't and then 1:09:23.439 --> 1:09:25.400 going and then kissing the male lead and going to 1:09:25.479 --> 1:09:28.280 the next scene. Well right, but that like, even over 1:09:28.320 --> 1:09:30.800 the course of those few scenes, like it feels to 1:09:30.880 --> 1:09:33.960 me like her character gets demoted because like again the 1:09:34.040 --> 1:09:38.439 focus shifts away from her basketball skills to being rescued 1:09:38.520 --> 1:09:42.680 by a male character kissing him. He's kissing her. The 1:09:42.800 --> 1:09:47.800 focus shifts to like their romance, and that's the last 1:09:47.880 --> 1:09:50.360 we see of her because even to do it, like 1:09:50.520 --> 1:09:52.920 my it is weird because I'm like, I also really 1:09:53.000 --> 1:09:54.800 like them together, because because i feel like I'm just 1:09:54.880 --> 1:09:56.720 a child and I'm just like they're cute. But I 1:09:56.840 --> 1:09:59.360 do like the one part in between that is like 1:09:59.479 --> 1:10:03.240 after she liked dunks on the monster, guy Buzz comes 1:10:03.280 --> 1:10:05.240 up to her and it's like nice shot and they 1:10:05.360 --> 1:10:07.280 high five, and I'm just like and I'm just like 1:10:07.360 --> 1:10:09.400 and I'm just like, and that is the moment where 1:10:09.479 --> 1:10:16.799 he respects women and then I waste But in between 1:10:16.880 --> 1:10:18.800 he was like, all right, I read bell hooks in 1:10:18.920 --> 1:10:23.080 between what happened, and I recognized that I respect you. 1:10:23.600 --> 1:10:30.200 And it's like so funny. It is like it's it's 1:10:30.360 --> 1:10:35.880 so nineties in the way it addresses like progress of yeah, 1:10:36.040 --> 1:10:39.760 very bare minimum and very catchphrasy, and I think it 1:10:39.840 --> 1:10:44.320 also says a lot and contextualizes Lola a lot when 1:10:44.880 --> 1:10:48.240 you're also considering that this movie is of commercial and 1:10:48.479 --> 1:10:52.000 not you know, necessary. I mean there it is very artful. 1:10:52.200 --> 1:10:54.320 It is there's a lot of amazing art involved, but 1:10:54.360 --> 1:10:56.640 it was you know, art wasn't the top priority in 1:10:57.280 --> 1:11:00.400 the production of this movie. It was it was marketing. 1:11:00.960 --> 1:11:03.559 And so I feel like it says a lot about 1:11:03.600 --> 1:11:05.519 the marketing of this time too, in the way that 1:11:05.600 --> 1:11:08.160 Lola is presented. Maybe if you're making an art house 1:11:08.200 --> 1:11:10.960 bugs bunny film, which god willing I would love to see, 1:11:12.240 --> 1:11:16.960 but like you know, Lola is created from character designed 1:11:17.000 --> 1:11:21.559 to character choices to every way she's presented is marketing, 1:11:22.160 --> 1:11:25.680 and so this also speaks to like what needed to 1:11:25.760 --> 1:11:29.800 appear on merchandise to sell at this time, and you 1:11:29.880 --> 1:11:36.240 know it was titties, it was rabbitty. You know, they 1:11:36.320 --> 1:11:38.680 did the thing and it's weird because it's too. The 1:11:38.760 --> 1:11:41.080 other thing I think is interesting is that like I 1:11:41.240 --> 1:11:43.240 found that, like when I would talk to my female 1:11:43.320 --> 1:11:45.800 friends at that age group that loved Lola, they just 1:11:46.040 --> 1:11:48.080 they loved her because she was a girl and they 1:11:48.160 --> 1:11:50.040 liked seeing a girl and environment. And I like, as 1:11:50.160 --> 1:11:52.879 much as I totally agree about like we should absolutely 1:11:52.920 --> 1:11:55.760 critique girl power feminism because it was like marketed so 1:11:55.920 --> 1:11:58.040 have like I like how this feminism is now, it's 1:11:58.080 --> 1:12:00.760 like it's just very easy. People will be like empowerment 1:12:02.600 --> 1:12:05.040 and it's like, yes, i'll give you money now. But 1:12:05.280 --> 1:12:08.640 I think what was always really telling for me, like 1:12:08.720 --> 1:12:12.880 even within that realm of critique, that the boys only 1:12:13.000 --> 1:12:15.920 ever saw her as sexual that I knew, and the 1:12:16.000 --> 1:12:18.320 girls were like, I like having a cool girl that 1:12:18.400 --> 1:12:21.320 plays basketball in this movie and her being hot was 1:12:21.400 --> 1:12:23.880 just kind of like, oh, well, female characters are supposed 1:12:23.880 --> 1:12:27.080 to be hot in animation. And I think it's kind 1:12:27.120 --> 1:12:29.879 of that Cash twenty two because now as an adult, 1:12:30.479 --> 1:12:33.240 I'm sitting here like I really like this character. I 1:12:33.320 --> 1:12:37.360 wish she hadn't been Michaeladin Transformers, where like she's clearly 1:12:37.439 --> 1:12:39.800 supposed to be empowered, and I don't even like, and 1:12:39.840 --> 1:12:42.880 I always say this as a black feminist, I don't 1:12:43.320 --> 1:12:47.479 care that she's a love interest of bugs or that 1:12:47.720 --> 1:12:50.760 like that's part of her character, because it's like, you know, 1:12:50.960 --> 1:12:53.320 Daisy is a Daisy is also a feminist queen, and 1:12:53.439 --> 1:12:56.439 she's often with Daffy. But I think that it's the 1:12:56.640 --> 1:13:02.439 fact that they clearly were are afraid to go all 1:13:02.520 --> 1:13:06.160 out with her character. They were clearly afraid to like 1:13:06.880 --> 1:13:09.800 make her be ugly, and they also didn't want to 1:13:09.800 --> 1:13:12.919 give her too much screen time because she's also hashtag 1:13:13.320 --> 1:13:14.800 like new kid on the block. So it's like you 1:13:14.800 --> 1:13:16.600 don't want to take away too much attention from like 1:13:16.920 --> 1:13:20.320 the true star of this movie, Daffy Duck, who is 1:13:20.560 --> 1:13:24.360 who remains unmatched. He has the best bars um. But 1:13:24.479 --> 1:13:26.639 it's like it puts it puts us in a place 1:13:26.720 --> 1:13:30.280 where like we have two extra critique things that were 1:13:30.320 --> 1:13:34.040 always supposed to be for us, but we're like made 1:13:34.439 --> 1:13:37.280 by a committee of like men, like what do what 1:13:37.400 --> 1:13:40.480 do girls want? And how can we just make boys tolerated? 1:13:40.880 --> 1:13:44.160 And then you get Lola Money, a super competent female 1:13:44.240 --> 1:13:46.920 athlete who also can be like a love interest. But 1:13:46.920 --> 1:13:48.759 I think is also an interesting thing in the context 1:13:48.800 --> 1:13:52.400 of like female sports, because female athletes are so hyper 1:13:52.479 --> 1:13:56.360 masculinized in real life compared to like Lolo, who is 1:13:56.479 --> 1:13:59.920 like hyper sexualized, and it's it's weird, it's not anything, 1:14:00.000 --> 1:14:02.280 but it's just interesting for me to see. But then 1:14:02.320 --> 1:14:03.760 you still have to make sure that we have a 1:14:03.880 --> 1:14:06.360 slow wet of her going like to the side so 1:14:06.479 --> 1:14:08.960 that you can see that she's got like bunny titties 1:14:09.360 --> 1:14:13.320 and like bunny and which cat facts is about to 1:14:13.400 --> 1:14:17.760 pay off. Finally, after all these years, if we la 1:14:17.800 --> 1:14:21.759 Bunny was animated to be and designed to be anatomically correct, 1:14:22.320 --> 1:14:27.880 she would have six ten titties. That crop top would 1:14:27.880 --> 1:14:31.559 have been lit. That would have been thrilling if they 1:14:31.640 --> 1:14:37.040 were like we have this ten titty rabbit entering and 1:14:37.160 --> 1:14:40.760 she's amazing at basketball. I mean, can you imagine how 1:14:41.240 --> 1:14:43.040 like how thrilling it would have been to be like 1:14:43.400 --> 1:14:46.560 this rabbit is not just a gifted basketball player, she 1:14:46.680 --> 1:14:51.120 has ten rabbit titties, like she what can't she do? 1:14:52.520 --> 1:14:58.680 I Well, here's some some thoughts from Space Jam animation 1:14:58.760 --> 1:15:04.480 director Tony her Phone said that Lolo was intended originally 1:15:04.680 --> 1:15:08.479 to be more of a tomboy, but the production team 1:15:08.720 --> 1:15:12.080 feared that she would appear to masculine, so the animators 1:15:12.200 --> 1:15:15.960 emphasized her feminine attributes. Quote unquote, I think we're in 1:15:16.120 --> 1:15:19.759 that quote. The use of the word tomboy is very loaded. 1:15:19.880 --> 1:15:22.680 I feel like when men in the nineties use the 1:15:22.720 --> 1:15:27.120 word tomboy, it the definition is a little skewed and 1:15:27.240 --> 1:15:29.960 there's like a little bit of subtext to it, and 1:15:30.120 --> 1:15:32.560 it has more to do with like, by tomboy, we 1:15:32.680 --> 1:15:38.439 mean not sexualized, like as opposed to the actual like 1:15:39.080 --> 1:15:43.280 use of the word in the ninety nineties. They're like, 1:15:43.360 --> 1:15:45.519 she would have looked like Tatum O'Neil instead of like, 1:15:45.760 --> 1:15:48.439 you know, kimpossible. They were like, yeah, we're gonna give 1:15:48.439 --> 1:15:51.560 her like a baseball cap that goes backwards. You know, 1:15:52.240 --> 1:15:53.640 she's going to have like a little like a like 1:15:53.720 --> 1:15:56.960 a like a band aid across her eye, just like 1:15:57.120 --> 1:16:02.439 the ham hardcore and then going at that. We we've 1:16:02.520 --> 1:16:05.080 talked about it a little bit, but just it is 1:16:05.720 --> 1:16:10.120 kind of frustrating where it seems like the nineties treatment 1:16:10.360 --> 1:16:15.160 on Bugs Bunny is also frustrating to me because bugs 1:16:15.200 --> 1:16:19.680 Bunny is I think kind of was, in retrospect considered 1:16:19.760 --> 1:16:23.760 to be at certain points pretty like progressive character in 1:16:23.920 --> 1:16:26.840 terms of like a cartoon character that played around with 1:16:27.120 --> 1:16:31.519 gender quite a bit and was not disempowered for playing 1:16:31.560 --> 1:16:33.800 around with gender, And so there was like there's a 1:16:33.880 --> 1:16:37.160 number of classic Bugs Bunny cartoons where he's in drag 1:16:37.320 --> 1:16:40.760 and he's basically a very empowered character in drag. He 1:16:40.880 --> 1:16:42.640 is not the butt of a joke. He is like 1:16:42.880 --> 1:16:46.560 using it like just because and he looks hot and 1:16:46.640 --> 1:16:50.120 it's exciting, and there's like that whole Waynes World quote 1:16:50.160 --> 1:16:52.760 of like were you ever like titilated? But like what 1:16:52.960 --> 1:16:56.880 is the what is the quote? I think it's did 1:16:56.920 --> 1:16:59.439 you find Bugs Bunny attractive? When he put on a 1:16:59.520 --> 1:17:02.320 dress and played a girl bunny? Like it was iconic 1:17:02.439 --> 1:17:05.160 that this character played around with gender. It even gets 1:17:05.240 --> 1:17:09.679 mentioned in um the documentary disclosure about like how trans 1:17:09.800 --> 1:17:13.639 people saw that representation on screen and to some degree 1:17:13.840 --> 1:17:17.760 and in some cases like felt empowered by that. And 1:17:17.960 --> 1:17:21.760 so for the like relaunch a Bugs Bunny to be 1:17:22.320 --> 1:17:27.680 the opposite of that and to be so intensely heterosexual 1:17:28.439 --> 1:17:32.400 coded to the point where he like is like kind 1:17:32.439 --> 1:17:36.479 of selling that character out in a kind of bummer 1:17:36.560 --> 1:17:39.960 way where it's like there's already so much established cannon 1:17:40.080 --> 1:17:43.639 that this is like a gender nonconforming character. And then 1:17:43.720 --> 1:17:46.519 they again kind of like rolled that back, much like 1:17:46.600 --> 1:17:50.320 they did with Lola Bunny later on, like it would 1:17:50.360 --> 1:17:51.800 have been so much fun if they had done like 1:17:51.840 --> 1:17:55.439 a Jesse James thing from Pokemon, and like, I know, 1:17:55.520 --> 1:17:58.760 that's like another new lay tune show where Lola is 1:17:59.000 --> 1:18:02.320 more like Bugs in terms that she's more of a 1:18:02.400 --> 1:18:05.200 mischievous character than like boy crazy. Look. Yeah, so I'm 1:18:05.200 --> 1:18:06.960 gonna go watch that later. And it's like the same 1:18:07.040 --> 1:18:09.880 voice actress from is that like the HBO Max like 1:18:10.000 --> 1:18:12.800 the New Ones? I think, so it looks that's what 1:18:12.840 --> 1:18:16.120 it looks like. Or let me, I have little Wikipedia's 1:18:16.120 --> 1:18:17.479 in front of me, so I don't know what I'm like, 1:18:17.600 --> 1:18:19.479 I don't know it came out. Oh yeah, it came 1:18:19.520 --> 1:18:24.559 out from like UM twenty. I'd never heard of it. Um. 1:18:24.720 --> 1:18:28.120 But apparently she's a lot more like she has more 1:18:28.200 --> 1:18:31.400 tune qualities and she's more designed to be like she's 1:18:31.439 --> 1:18:33.920 more boxing and design, so she looks more like a 1:18:34.000 --> 1:18:37.240 tune UM, but she's got more of the autonomy and 1:18:37.360 --> 1:18:41.280 agency she had from space jam does she have ten titties? Though? 1:18:41.439 --> 1:18:43.880 She didn't have ten titties though, but they all But 1:18:44.680 --> 1:18:46.640 it was funny because I was like, when I was 1:18:46.680 --> 1:18:48.280 watching it, I was thinking, this is the first time 1:18:48.280 --> 1:18:53.760 I've ever seen Bugs and Daffy were pants, Like they're 1:18:53.800 --> 1:18:56.720 just out to the out and about um, but this 1:18:56.920 --> 1:18:59.920 time they had to wear pants. But I would love 1:19:00.080 --> 1:19:02.439 them to have Lolo play with gender too, Like it'd 1:19:02.439 --> 1:19:03.800 be so cool if they went on on a date 1:19:03.880 --> 1:19:08.120 but both in drag Warner Brothers hire me, I'm giving 1:19:08.160 --> 1:19:12.439 you free ideas for space. But yeah, I I agree. 1:19:12.479 --> 1:19:16.280 And I think it's also I think the thing about 1:19:16.760 --> 1:19:19.280 bugs in that iteration what I've kind of noticed from 1:19:19.320 --> 1:19:21.280 what I think a lot of like sis men feel 1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:25.200 about bugs that they like that he's like he's like 1:19:25.280 --> 1:19:28.320 an ultimate male type, you know, like he's smart, he's 1:19:28.360 --> 1:19:30.680 clevering it a situation like and I think that a 1:19:30.760 --> 1:19:33.400 lot of people, a lot of dudes I saw, were like, 1:19:33.880 --> 1:19:36.840 there's no way that bugs would be like whipped by 1:19:36.960 --> 1:19:39.479 some girl. And I'm just like, I don't know why 1:19:39.560 --> 1:19:43.800 you care so much, dude, Like I mean, like I don't, 1:19:43.920 --> 1:19:46.040 I just it's so it's but I also agree it's 1:19:46.080 --> 1:19:49.360 weird that they like picked Bugs to be the one 1:19:49.479 --> 1:19:53.240 to have a girlfriend, when Daffy is thirsty every day 1:19:53.680 --> 1:19:56.479 and when that boy love to have a sip of water, 1:19:59.160 --> 1:20:03.200 Daffy was like canonically the horny ist, and so like, 1:20:04.000 --> 1:20:10.400 I don't know, yeah, bringing Daphne Duck more free material? Right, 1:20:10.479 --> 1:20:14.280 all this free material? Or just stop like girlifying existing 1:20:14.360 --> 1:20:17.800 male characters and create a female character for once. But 1:20:18.040 --> 1:20:21.680 that is sometimes too much to ask, and so I'll 1:20:21.720 --> 1:20:26.080 stop asking, We'll just start creating. There's also, I mean, 1:20:26.280 --> 1:20:30.439 there are It is very worth mentioning that there are 1:20:30.880 --> 1:20:35.439 several women appearing in the live action section of the 1:20:35.560 --> 1:20:40.920 Space Jam. Michael Jordan has a his wife played by 1:20:41.040 --> 1:20:45.599 Teresa Randall. He has a his mother, and he has 1:20:45.960 --> 1:20:49.080 his daughter. So they all appear, and do we meet 1:20:49.160 --> 1:20:52.000 his mother or we we meet someone's mother? I think, 1:20:52.080 --> 1:20:54.440 I think, I think that woman is like their housekeeper. 1:20:54.640 --> 1:20:57.360 I thought that she was assumed that she was his mother. 1:20:57.720 --> 1:21:01.120 Oh that's on me, Okay, I know she's the one 1:21:01.160 --> 1:21:04.400 who's like making dinner for them as they're getting home. Yeah, yeah, 1:21:04.520 --> 1:21:07.040 I also assume that was like a housekeeper. But I 1:21:07.640 --> 1:21:10.679 they don't specify. They don't make it clear. So that's yeah, 1:21:10.680 --> 1:21:12.679 I guess we just really don't get to look into 1:21:12.960 --> 1:21:15.400 what's going on there. But there are there are a 1:21:15.479 --> 1:21:18.639 few female characters that that are mostly at the beginning 1:21:18.680 --> 1:21:20.920 of the movie with Michael Jordan's and then they come 1:21:21.120 --> 1:21:23.599 they come back at the end. I mean, I wish 1:21:23.880 --> 1:21:26.600 that they had gotten more screen time. They're based on 1:21:26.760 --> 1:21:30.160 obviously like Michael Jordan's real family, uh and and people 1:21:30.200 --> 1:21:33.360 in his life, but they're not given much to do 1:21:33.439 --> 1:21:35.599 in this case too much to another thing that's too 1:21:35.720 --> 1:21:40.120 much to us, because Michael Jordan's dragged to hell. Right. Um. 1:21:40.200 --> 1:21:43.560 There's also that scene where after the NBA players have 1:21:43.720 --> 1:21:47.639 lost their talent, they are being sort of like medically 1:21:47.880 --> 1:21:52.240 and psychologically evaluated. Um. And there's a scene where Charles 1:21:52.320 --> 1:21:55.840 Barkley goes to play basketball with a bunch of women 1:21:56.479 --> 1:22:01.000 and um because and he plays against them and he 1:22:01.120 --> 1:22:04.200 doesn't have his talent anymore, so he can't play. They 1:22:04.520 --> 1:22:06.599 like embarrass him on the court, that kind of thing. 1:22:07.240 --> 1:22:10.400 And later when he's talking to it, right, I like it. 1:22:10.720 --> 1:22:15.880 But then when he's talking to like a psychologist later 1:22:16.479 --> 1:22:19.400 he says something like and then this girl five foot, 1:22:19.479 --> 1:22:22.400 nothing blocked my shot. And the whole implication that scene 1:22:22.560 --> 1:22:26.639 was even a bunch of girls could beat Charles Barkley. 1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:30.639 So it's still it's sexist, is what is happening there? 1:22:30.880 --> 1:22:32.840 I agree, I mean I was, I guess reading that 1:22:32.880 --> 1:22:35.160 scene a little generously of him saying like, I'm one 1:22:35.200 --> 1:22:37.200 of the best basketball players in the world. Why did 1:22:37.240 --> 1:22:39.600 a bunch of twelve year old beat me? But I 1:22:39.800 --> 1:22:41.720 do agree that there is like a gendered element to 1:22:41.800 --> 1:22:44.360 it as well. It is very satisfying to see them 1:22:44.920 --> 1:22:47.320 beat him at basketball, and I think it's I think 1:22:47.360 --> 1:22:49.200 I thought about that the same way you did, Jamie, 1:22:49.280 --> 1:22:53.920 because they show they show them being very vigorous players 1:22:53.960 --> 1:22:56.360 and like a little bit that you see before Charles Barkley, 1:22:56.439 --> 1:22:58.360 like when he's watching them, they're like really like going 1:22:58.439 --> 1:22:59.800 at it, and I'm like, oh, so these are like 1:23:00.320 --> 1:23:03.560 good street ballers, you know. And I definitely thought he 1:23:03.680 --> 1:23:07.240 was just like she's so tiny, She's so small, Like 1:23:07.360 --> 1:23:11.240 it's I understand. And then the psychologist is talking to 1:23:11.400 --> 1:23:14.679 Patrick Ewing and he's like, are you having trouble performing 1:23:14.720 --> 1:23:17.599 anywhere else in your life? Basically like does your dick 1:23:17.680 --> 1:23:20.360 still work? And which is like I'm like, it's like 1:23:20.439 --> 1:23:25.360 the psychiatrist relaxed. But then also Patrick Ewing was like, um, yes, 1:23:25.479 --> 1:23:31.120 my dick works. It's like no, yeah, that's a very 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:33.800 different movie. And he's like, I would actually like to 1:23:34.240 --> 1:23:38.920 talk to a doctor about that. Thank you. Like, And 1:23:38.960 --> 1:23:41.120 there's a part where Charles Barkley he's praying. He's like, 1:23:41.840 --> 1:23:44.000 I'll never sleep with Madonna. I'll never go out with 1:23:44.080 --> 1:23:48.519 Madonna again, and which is how I learned that that 1:23:48.720 --> 1:23:53.560 even happened. I was like what, And Moby's like, Muggsy's like, 1:23:53.840 --> 1:23:55.600 you think I'm trying to dispect my mama And he's like, 1:23:55.600 --> 1:23:57.479 I didn't say that, you did. He's like, but I 1:23:57.600 --> 1:24:03.720 love my mama. It's such a weird sequence. Like the 1:24:03.800 --> 1:24:06.800 sports side is very I mean in in the real 1:24:07.040 --> 1:24:10.920 and the animated world, the sports world is hyper masculine 1:24:11.080 --> 1:24:14.680 and and and like not very attempting to question that. 1:24:15.120 --> 1:24:16.760 And I feel like it's very of its time in 1:24:16.840 --> 1:24:20.320 that way, where like the masculinity of professional sports is 1:24:20.400 --> 1:24:24.679 not really called into question in any way. Besides Lola 1:24:24.720 --> 1:24:30.479 Bunny in this movie, which I was not extremely surprised by. 1:24:30.560 --> 1:24:32.840 I honestly wasn't like me because it's seen it, and 1:24:32.840 --> 1:24:37.479 also because it's I wasn't expecting this movie to uh 1:24:38.840 --> 1:24:42.120 challenge that very much, especially because it's a movie that 1:24:42.320 --> 1:24:44.760 is like starring Michael Jordan, who was like so of 1:24:45.000 --> 1:24:50.640 this like hyper masculine, hyper disciplined sports moment and so 1:24:52.400 --> 1:24:57.519 well that brings me to talking about the monsters, and 1:24:57.600 --> 1:25:00.479 there is like a masculinity component to it. But I 1:25:00.680 --> 1:25:03.880 also can't help but feel and and Princess tell me 1:25:03.960 --> 1:25:09.320 your thoughts on this. But the monsters are coded black, right, 1:25:09.960 --> 1:25:15.160 they definitely get more like stereotypical urban aesthetics and like 1:25:15.240 --> 1:25:18.280 how their mouths are designed, like they get the kind 1:25:18.320 --> 1:25:21.439 of like, um, I always call them the like minstrel 1:25:21.520 --> 1:25:24.679 outline of when you like hyper like line the lips 1:25:24.760 --> 1:25:27.240 to make them look darker, and like some of them 1:25:27.600 --> 1:25:31.479 start using kind of a a V like language, except 1:25:31.560 --> 1:25:34.439 for the one that stole the talent from a white guy, 1:25:34.560 --> 1:25:39.000 who just becomes like adobe white dude, um, like the 1:25:39.120 --> 1:25:41.800 Charles Barkley one. Like they all like you heard the 1:25:41.920 --> 1:25:44.880 Dream Team where the Mean Team was like like who 1:25:45.320 --> 1:25:49.280 you guys didn't sound like that before you have this talent? Yeah, 1:25:49.400 --> 1:25:53.240 So they definitely urbanized them because I think that they 1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:58.760 like the audience can like understand the codification of that 1:25:59.000 --> 1:26:01.680 of like, now they're dangerous because before they were like 1:26:01.840 --> 1:26:07.080 nebbish and tiny, but now they're like big urban street ballers. 1:26:07.160 --> 1:26:09.040 So now we've got to be afraid. And I also 1:26:09.160 --> 1:26:11.320 become kind of hot not gonna like that green one. 1:26:11.800 --> 1:26:14.920 I was like, he's kind of cute and that's my favorite. 1:26:15.120 --> 1:26:16.360 And I was like, that's a good shade of green 1:26:16.479 --> 1:26:18.040 on him. I was like, I was in for it, 1:26:19.000 --> 1:26:21.960 but I'm trash, so which it is. I mean, like 1:26:22.240 --> 1:26:26.360 and and this is because we're talking about space jam primarily, 1:26:26.560 --> 1:26:29.479 like I won't get too into this, but given the 1:26:29.720 --> 1:26:33.160 history of Looney Tunes and race, I mean, it goes 1:26:33.280 --> 1:26:37.320 back to the early nineteen thirties, so for our listeners, 1:26:37.479 --> 1:26:39.080 feel free to look it up and and do the 1:26:39.160 --> 1:26:41.880 math on how they've treated. But there's been a number 1:26:42.439 --> 1:26:46.920 of deeply racist Looney Tunes cartoons that have been buried, 1:26:47.560 --> 1:26:51.439 and so for you know, just seeing the evolution there 1:26:51.479 --> 1:26:55.000 in character design and then seeing that early Looney Tunes 1:26:55.040 --> 1:26:58.559 animators like Chuck Jones, who I get is like, oh, 1:26:58.760 --> 1:27:01.120 I guess along with tech savery like the iconic Looney 1:27:01.200 --> 1:27:04.200 Tunes guy hated Space Jam and how a lot of 1:27:04.320 --> 1:27:09.280 issues with it. It speaks to the I guess, I 1:27:09.360 --> 1:27:12.960 guess just like the slow update of a franchise, and 1:27:13.080 --> 1:27:17.320 like calls into question, is it possible to effectively update 1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:20.439 a franchise that was started so long ago? And like 1:27:20.680 --> 1:27:24.920 what are the I guess stumbling blocks in attempting to 1:27:25.040 --> 1:27:26.640 do that? And I feel like some of those are 1:27:26.760 --> 1:27:30.320 kind of really pushed against in in Space Jam. And 1:27:30.400 --> 1:27:32.760 it's also interesting because like as you kind of touch 1:27:32.840 --> 1:27:35.840 on like lue Tune's design, just like making Mouse is 1:27:35.880 --> 1:27:38.800 like rooted in minstrelsy. So you basically have these two 1:27:38.920 --> 1:27:42.639 kind of like two kinds of black codifications combating each other, 1:27:43.360 --> 1:27:47.439 featuring like the biggest black athlete at the time featuring 1:27:47.520 --> 1:27:50.240 in it. And it's this weird hodgepodge of like how 1:27:50.960 --> 1:27:54.400 at that time, at that time, like in the nineties 1:27:54.560 --> 1:27:57.320 kind of like the pinnacle of like black urban cool 1:27:57.920 --> 1:28:01.519 really being elevated in like mainstream pop culture, which is 1:28:01.560 --> 1:28:05.200 why I think those choices were made. And like why 1:28:05.360 --> 1:28:09.160 Bugs Bunny himself is so popular in so many different 1:28:09.320 --> 1:28:13.480 like places, is because he also can adapt that coolness 1:28:13.520 --> 1:28:16.559 because like Mickey Mouse was never cool, but like Bugs 1:28:16.640 --> 1:28:20.800 Bunny very much has. Yeah, but Bugs always had like 1:28:21.040 --> 1:28:23.880 a swagger about him, and I feel that that comes 1:28:23.960 --> 1:28:28.920 from them very much emulating the popular culture and vibe 1:28:28.960 --> 1:28:31.679 of an era, and that usually is a black vibe, 1:28:32.040 --> 1:28:34.519 you know, and even like even with the drag culture, 1:28:34.600 --> 1:28:36.600 like you know, a lot of that comes from like 1:28:36.720 --> 1:28:40.560 black queer environments and like so I think even in 1:28:40.680 --> 1:28:43.439 Space Jam they can't help but like, all right, well 1:28:43.840 --> 1:28:45.400 they're not going to be scary if they're not a 1:28:45.520 --> 1:28:51.439 little bit black coated. Yeah, ke Um, I wanted to 1:28:52.040 --> 1:28:57.080 bring up um. Wayne Knight's character is constantly fat shamed. 1:28:57.160 --> 1:29:00.400 Basically every moment that he's on screen, He's is made 1:29:00.400 --> 1:29:06.160 to seem just like this bumbling, smelly, clumsy like Douf 1:29:06.640 --> 1:29:09.760 the giant fart joke is like, even as a kid, 1:29:09.800 --> 1:29:11.800 I find it uncomfortable. I was like, this is weird 1:29:12.920 --> 1:29:15.920 and this is even like a little like I mean, 1:29:16.000 --> 1:29:19.000 this is a little bit as side comment, but the 1:29:19.080 --> 1:29:22.800 fact that even somehow Wayne Knight is subject to the 1:29:22.920 --> 1:29:26.719 same gravity laws is cartoons and still Litla Bunny isn't 1:29:27.000 --> 1:29:29.920 is very straight Like he could be squished, Yeah, he 1:29:30.000 --> 1:29:32.439 could be squished, but Lola Bunny can't be squished, Michael 1:29:32.479 --> 1:29:35.599 Jordan gets turned into a basketball and bounced around by 1:29:35.680 --> 1:29:41.639 the monstars, but Lola Bunny can't. Like she's just too 1:29:41.760 --> 1:29:45.479 delicate and too feminine to have any sort of cartoon 1:29:45.600 --> 1:29:48.080 I'm not that I'm advocating for like violence to be 1:29:48.160 --> 1:29:50.240 done against her, but like that's the whole thing about 1:29:50.280 --> 1:29:54.400 Looney Tunes. It's cartoon violence and get physics is inherent 1:29:54.520 --> 1:29:57.760 to Looney Tunes. And they don't feature any women, right, 1:29:57.760 --> 1:29:59.519 And it's like she's an athlete, like she would be 1:29:59.680 --> 1:30:01.639 used to getting hurt, and i mean, like again, it's 1:30:01.680 --> 1:30:04.559 like it's like they have get it, you know, they 1:30:04.640 --> 1:30:05.920 have for like we need to have a care at 1:30:05.960 --> 1:30:08.320 female cattery that does the thing. But then they forget 1:30:08.400 --> 1:30:12.600 like female characters trained, they get hurt, they get more injuries. 1:30:12.720 --> 1:30:15.400 Like Lola Bunny was a cheerleader, she would have gotten more, 1:30:15.840 --> 1:30:18.719 you know, injuries than any of these basketball players because 1:30:18.760 --> 1:30:20.560 chilian is the most dangerous sport around. And it's like 1:30:20.640 --> 1:30:24.840 it's it's like it's so frustrating because like and you're 1:30:24.880 --> 1:30:27.400 totally right about way Night, which is weird because it's 1:30:27.479 --> 1:30:30.479 like Elmer Fudd is not skinny, Like there's so many 1:30:30.560 --> 1:30:34.360 like fat characters and like differently kind of big is 1:30:34.439 --> 1:30:37.000 right there. He even coming into the defense, he's just 1:30:37.160 --> 1:30:42.760 like doing like you know, I'm just like dishonor. And 1:30:42.840 --> 1:30:45.519 then I wanted to bring up something that you discussed, 1:30:45.520 --> 1:30:48.759 Princess in a Merry suit piece that you wrote about 1:30:49.160 --> 1:30:53.600 Space jam merch Care to talk about that? Yeah, So, 1:30:53.800 --> 1:30:56.400 like I tend to only want to bude space jam 1:30:56.479 --> 1:30:59.880 merchandise with low La on it, and so frequently she's 1:31:00.040 --> 1:31:04.280 left out or she's like pictured not in costume, or 1:31:04.439 --> 1:31:07.200 like she's like I remember like Forever twenty one was 1:31:07.280 --> 1:31:09.479 having like a huge Space Jam culcution. I was like, yes, 1:31:09.520 --> 1:31:12.360 I'm about to just have like you know, number ten 1:31:12.760 --> 1:31:15.439 Lola Buddy crop tops all day. I was like, that 1:31:15.479 --> 1:31:17.960 would be obvious to have for a site that is 1:31:18.040 --> 1:31:22.080 mostly frequented by women and from folk and other people 1:31:22.120 --> 1:31:26.040 who are from presenting, And yet everything was like Taz 1:31:26.280 --> 1:31:29.439 Daffy Bugs, Michael Jordan's and I'm like, but the second 1:31:29.520 --> 1:31:33.400 best player on the tum squad is Lola Bunny. So weird, 1:31:34.040 --> 1:31:35.680 there's so little merged to the point where like I 1:31:35.720 --> 1:31:38.080 was looking at this up merchandise that features her from 1:31:38.120 --> 1:31:42.120 this era is like worth a lot of money because 1:31:42.120 --> 1:31:44.080 they didn't make a lot of it, and those that 1:31:44.240 --> 1:31:49.679 did became very you know, valued by certain types, myself included. 1:31:50.240 --> 1:31:52.479 And like, there isn't a lot of merch of her 1:31:52.640 --> 1:31:56.080 from like that era where she's like in her outfit, 1:31:56.520 --> 1:31:59.880 and even now if you try to find like Lola 1:32:00.040 --> 1:32:04.439 Bunny like pins or anything like that, they're all very 1:32:04.560 --> 1:32:08.360 hyper sexualized and you really can't find anything. It's really 1:32:08.439 --> 1:32:12.800 upsetting because I do genuinely love that character. I don't think. 1:32:12.800 --> 1:32:15.080 I went to like some fan con and I had 1:32:15.160 --> 1:32:17.400 someone draw like a little bit of fan art of her, 1:32:17.439 --> 1:32:18.800 because I'm like, I want to be able to own 1:32:18.920 --> 1:32:23.439 one piece of non sexy Lola Bunny fan art in 1:32:23.600 --> 1:32:27.080 my lifetime. Um, But yeah, she doesn't get a lot 1:32:27.160 --> 1:32:30.400 of merchandise. And even when even when she was in 1:32:30.479 --> 1:32:34.000 other things like Baby Looney Tunes or Lunatics Unleaked, which 1:32:34.040 --> 1:32:38.360 was like this weird futuristic show that featured like Lexi Bunny, 1:32:38.479 --> 1:32:41.479 who was like the future version of Lola, there wasn't 1:32:41.479 --> 1:32:45.280 a lot of merch for her there either, because just traditionally, 1:32:45.680 --> 1:32:47.640 people don't make out of merch for girls when it 1:32:47.680 --> 1:32:51.200 comes to those kind of toys and when you know, well, 1:32:51.280 --> 1:32:54.720 only boys play with toys, didn't you know exactly? And 1:32:54.920 --> 1:32:57.920 so like it doesn't surprisely, but it upsets me deeply 1:32:58.520 --> 1:33:00.320 because I just really it was just like a really 1:33:00.520 --> 1:33:03.920 frustrating double edged sword too, because we like it is 1:33:03.960 --> 1:33:08.720 pretty clear that Lola Bunny was created to be merchandized, 1:33:08.880 --> 1:33:11.360 and then for her to not be merchandise when she 1:33:11.520 --> 1:33:14.479 was created to be merchandises, like, well, then why are 1:33:14.640 --> 1:33:18.120 we doing this? Like if you're not going to merchandise her, 1:33:18.200 --> 1:33:22.679 then why we're all those very specific decisions made. It's 1:33:22.720 --> 1:33:26.920 just like it's very confusing that and like the picture 1:33:27.000 --> 1:33:30.639 that you presented in the piece that you wrote had 1:33:31.200 --> 1:33:33.360 it was like a glass, like a drinking glass that 1:33:33.439 --> 1:33:36.759 had Lola Bunny off to the side in like plain clothes, 1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:40.439 not in her uniform, even though she's the only Looney 1:33:40.520 --> 1:33:43.960 Tune who's any good at basketball, Like, why would she 1:33:44.160 --> 1:33:48.000 not be in uniform like front and center. It reminds 1:33:48.040 --> 1:33:50.600 me of like when you get like Mulan merchandise and 1:33:50.640 --> 1:33:53.040 she's never in her warrior outfit? Would she wears the 1:33:53.120 --> 1:33:55.639 majority of the movie? Why do I have a long 1:33:55.720 --> 1:33:58.400 haired Mulan doll. That's not what she looks like like 1:33:58.520 --> 1:34:03.160 it's it's it's absurd And I don't even know why 1:34:03.280 --> 1:34:06.040 they put her in that outfit because that's not an 1:34:06.160 --> 1:34:10.400 iconic outfit her. You in aform is the iconic outfit 1:34:10.479 --> 1:34:13.160 that she wears that Jamie herself even had to try 1:34:13.240 --> 1:34:15.439 and like, where is it? I would wear it in 1:34:15.520 --> 1:34:18.439 the house like it's a it's a look, and yet 1:34:18.479 --> 1:34:22.920 they don't market that at all. Mm hmm. It's yeah, 1:34:23.400 --> 1:34:27.000 it's so frustrated. Its like even today, when I went 1:34:27.160 --> 1:34:31.000 on Etty and searched a little Bunny, I hesitate to 1:34:31.320 --> 1:34:33.560 share with you the results I found because it was 1:34:33.680 --> 1:34:38.639 mostly uh T shirts of yeah, a bugs bunny having 1:34:38.720 --> 1:34:41.880 sex with a little bunny on a shirt, which was 1:34:41.960 --> 1:34:44.760 not what I wanted. I was hoping more for just 1:34:44.880 --> 1:34:48.280 a shirt, just a regular shirt with no sex happening 1:34:48.320 --> 1:34:51.760 on it. Harder to find than you would think. Uh 1:34:52.800 --> 1:34:55.679 so there's that. I lost that gud A little bit earlier, 1:34:55.720 --> 1:34:58.360 I was when we were talking about Looney Tunes history. 1:34:58.400 --> 1:35:00.880 I also wanted to quickly bring up a character who's 1:35:01.040 --> 1:35:05.519 very majorly sidelined in this era of Looney Tunes and 1:35:05.680 --> 1:35:08.760 has been off and on sidelines and regarded in a 1:35:08.840 --> 1:35:13.200 number of ways, and that is Speedy Gonzalez is on 1:35:13.360 --> 1:35:16.439 the team at different points. I don't know if you 1:35:16.560 --> 1:35:19.360 ever really get to hear him speak at length at 1:35:19.400 --> 1:35:22.400 all in this movie. But that's like another example of 1:35:23.560 --> 1:35:29.360 Looney Tunes character who is built on racist stereotypes, who's like, 1:35:29.479 --> 1:35:32.880 I guess whose significance has been kind of argued back 1:35:32.960 --> 1:35:36.040 and forth over the years, because Speedy Gonzalez is a 1:35:36.120 --> 1:35:39.519 character who has been reclaimed in many ways but also um, 1:35:39.800 --> 1:35:42.400 you know, criticized rightfully so in many ways, to the 1:35:42.439 --> 1:35:46.400 point where there was a feature film starring Speedy Gonzalez 1:35:46.880 --> 1:35:52.280 in production as recently. And it's just with a franchise 1:35:52.360 --> 1:35:56.760 that goes back this far, the process of claiming and 1:35:57.040 --> 1:35:59.920 disclaiming a character goes back so much. And in the nineties, 1:36:00.080 --> 1:36:02.240 is at this point speak Gonzalez? I think that they 1:36:02.280 --> 1:36:05.840 were the franchise didn't know how to handle him or 1:36:05.880 --> 1:36:07.280 what to do with him, so they were like, well, 1:36:07.320 --> 1:36:10.599 he's here, but he's not speaking, so is that okay? 1:36:10.680 --> 1:36:14.519 Like it's just such a bizarre moment for this franchise 1:36:14.600 --> 1:36:18.559 in with the changes they choose to make and then 1:36:18.920 --> 1:36:22.639 the things that are left over from fifty years ago 1:36:22.840 --> 1:36:24.840 that they don't quite know what to do with, and 1:36:24.960 --> 1:36:28.960 so they just sort of do nothing. Meanwhile, like the 1:36:29.280 --> 1:36:31.960 like the date Raby Peppy Lap, you can still have 1:36:32.200 --> 1:36:40.040 like two speaking it's like canceled Peppe. Canceled Peppe, Like 1:36:40.840 --> 1:36:44.360 so why why? Yeah, the fact that he got a 1:36:44.520 --> 1:36:46.840 line right after the Lola Bunny scene, You're just like 1:36:47.320 --> 1:36:51.679 this is unjust rights, Like this is gross. I don't, yeah, 1:36:52.240 --> 1:36:54.080 I don't. I hate him so much. It's just like 1:36:55.800 --> 1:36:58.479 he's such an annoying character. Funny thing I heard is 1:36:58.520 --> 1:37:02.920 that in France his dub voice is in Italian. Oh 1:37:03.000 --> 1:37:10.400 that's funny. That's so funny. Shame They're like, we do 1:37:10.560 --> 1:37:14.600 not claim Peppe. Yeah, he's not ours. We will not 1:37:14.840 --> 1:37:19.080 stand for this slander. I love it, but I will 1:37:19.160 --> 1:37:23.400 say after watching Knives Out Foghorn Leghorn, his voice was 1:37:23.520 --> 1:37:25.960 so funny to be because all I could hear was 1:37:26.080 --> 1:37:32.120 like Chris Evan's going like what is this c S 1:37:32.240 --> 1:37:40.920 I KFC and I oh, good time. Parkhorn Leghorn, who. 1:37:41.600 --> 1:37:43.080 I don't know if I've ever mentioned this on the 1:37:43.240 --> 1:37:46.519 pod before, Probably we've it's existed long enough. But my 1:37:46.760 --> 1:37:50.439 high school my first boyfriend ever. We broke up. He 1:37:50.560 --> 1:37:53.840 broke up with me for the saxophone, and then years 1:37:53.920 --> 1:37:57.679 later I saw him again and he was exactly the same, 1:37:57.840 --> 1:38:01.200 but the one difference was that he had bicep tattoo 1:38:01.400 --> 1:38:05.439 of foghorn leghorn, and that was the one different thing 1:38:05.560 --> 1:38:09.680 about him, and that I have no update on him 1:38:09.760 --> 1:38:14.120 since then. He got a fog horn leg horn tattoo. Um, 1:38:14.560 --> 1:38:17.560 So you know, I guess still culturally relevant in the 1:38:17.680 --> 1:38:22.559 last ten years. It was such a huge tattoo. I'll 1:38:22.600 --> 1:38:24.920 never get over the shock of being like, oh, no, 1:38:25.000 --> 1:38:32.439 one's expecting a full bicep the end. That's bonkers incredible. Well, 1:38:32.479 --> 1:38:34.400 it sounds like a dodge a bullet by getting broken 1:38:34.520 --> 1:38:36.840 up with. I was gonna say this, like, you don't 1:38:36.880 --> 1:38:39.800 need that. I don't know. I didn't. It turns out 1:38:39.840 --> 1:38:42.800 I didn't need that in my life. Um, but there 1:38:42.840 --> 1:38:45.160 it is. Um. There's another Okay, we talked about this 1:38:45.360 --> 1:38:50.599 on our Who Friend Roger Rabbit episode that's on the Matreon. Um. 1:38:51.080 --> 1:38:53.439 But there's a moment and this is I feel like, 1:38:53.640 --> 1:38:59.000 very common in specifically movies that combine live action and 1:38:59.160 --> 1:39:01.200 animated stuff. But I think this is also just a 1:39:01.320 --> 1:39:07.559 general animated trope where a male character will kiss another 1:39:07.680 --> 1:39:12.040 male character and it's meant to be this like, ha ha, 1:39:12.200 --> 1:39:15.000 isn't isn't it so funny and wacky that I'm kissing you? 1:39:15.160 --> 1:39:18.840 But then the recipient of the kiss, while understandably is 1:39:19.920 --> 1:39:22.519 not happy and it should be because it is a 1:39:22.600 --> 1:39:25.599 surprise kiss that they did not consent to, is usually 1:39:25.680 --> 1:39:29.640 instead played as like a queer phobic like, oh no, 1:39:30.000 --> 1:39:32.439 I just got kissed by a man, But is it okay? 1:39:32.479 --> 1:39:35.599 Because it's a cartoon and it's just like this weird 1:39:36.240 --> 1:39:41.160 thing that happens in this movie when Bugs kisses Michael 1:39:41.240 --> 1:39:44.400 Jordan's upon like immediately upon seeing him because he's like 1:39:44.800 --> 1:39:47.840 if I wasn't real, could I do this? And then 1:39:47.920 --> 1:39:51.360 just lays lays one on him. He's like I don't know, 1:39:51.880 --> 1:39:55.439 and they're like, why why is this here? Yeah, it's weird. 1:39:55.479 --> 1:39:57.360 I got of who from Roger Rabbit as soon as 1:39:57.400 --> 1:39:59.840 I saw it again because I was just like, yeah, 1:40:00.000 --> 1:40:02.040 they do that a lot, because even at the end 1:40:02.960 --> 1:40:06.439 when uh, I forget the male character's name, but when 1:40:06.479 --> 1:40:08.840 he kisses Roger back, it's supposed to be this moment 1:40:08.880 --> 1:40:11.640 of like Roger's like what just happened. Like it's like 1:40:11.720 --> 1:40:14.559 it's like, oh, that isn't fun. I shouldn't be surprised 1:40:14.600 --> 1:40:18.960 kissing people. Um, but yeah, it's just it's a very 1:40:19.560 --> 1:40:23.120 interesting thing that is so part of like that era 1:40:24.080 --> 1:40:26.920 and like so part of like what people didn't really 1:40:27.120 --> 1:40:30.760 understand about like that being a thing that you shouldn't do. 1:40:30.960 --> 1:40:32.680 And it's only ever framed as doing a thing that 1:40:32.720 --> 1:40:35.519 you shouldn't do when it's two men, you know, it's 1:40:35.560 --> 1:40:37.840 never ever like it was like the same sex thing. 1:40:37.880 --> 1:40:40.240 It's like surprise kiss like you know, or like it 1:40:40.400 --> 1:40:42.280 was two women, it's like surprise kids, you know. But 1:40:42.439 --> 1:40:46.839 like when it's two minutes, like yikes, because Bugs surprise 1:40:46.920 --> 1:40:50.920 kisses Lola at the end and she's like habbah habba, 1:40:51.160 --> 1:40:54.120 showing like and it's like, no, you didn't. You didn't 1:40:54.160 --> 1:40:57.120 consent to that kiss. Does oh I have a question. 1:40:58.000 --> 1:41:01.400 When Lola kisses Bugs Zach also count as a surprise 1:41:01.479 --> 1:41:04.080 kills I feel like that could easily be classified as 1:41:04.120 --> 1:41:06.120 a surprise kiss. Yes, because they're in the middle of 1:41:06.200 --> 1:41:12.240 a basketball game. There's not killing basketball. You put that 1:41:12.439 --> 1:41:18.720 romance on the on the side. Yeah, So just all 1:41:18.800 --> 1:41:22.200 the kissing in this movie shouldn't have happened because it's 1:41:22.400 --> 1:41:24.920 it's three surprise kisses in a row. I mean, the 1:41:25.040 --> 1:41:27.360 thing is like, I have no that I like. I 1:41:28.560 --> 1:41:29.880 there's a lot of ways to come at it, and 1:41:30.040 --> 1:41:32.560 and we've almost been talking to for two hours, so 1:41:32.640 --> 1:41:35.000 I won't go, which is longer than the movie. But 1:41:35.120 --> 1:41:39.160 there is like I don't want to completely say that 1:41:39.560 --> 1:41:42.320 Lola Bunny should be de sexualized, because I feel like 1:41:42.400 --> 1:41:45.080 there is, Like Princess was saying earlier, there's a lot 1:41:45.200 --> 1:41:50.080 of de sexualization of female athletes that is equally sexist, 1:41:50.160 --> 1:41:54.880 and like, if you are an athletic fem you can't 1:41:55.120 --> 1:41:58.439 be a sexual being as well, and that's an equally 1:41:58.680 --> 1:42:01.800 unfair thing to have forced upon you. Of like total 1:42:01.840 --> 1:42:04.320 if you are athletic, it's inherent that that is all 1:42:04.400 --> 1:42:07.720 you can be. It sounds so complicated, but you just 1:42:07.840 --> 1:42:09.960 need to strike the same balance that you would for 1:42:10.360 --> 1:42:14.200 most male characters and that's all you would need to do. Um, 1:42:14.360 --> 1:42:18.040 But this movie it doesn't quite do that. Yeah, I 1:42:18.080 --> 1:42:20.519 mean it's not so much that I like if the 1:42:20.600 --> 1:42:24.320 fact that she has written primarily to be a new 1:42:24.439 --> 1:42:27.640 love interest of Bugs Bunny, like that is not I 1:42:27.680 --> 1:42:30.519 don't love that, but the fact that they end up 1:42:30.880 --> 1:42:34.080 in a romantic relationship together, like whatever. I'm fine with that, 1:42:34.479 --> 1:42:36.800 Like if they like each other, if they admire each 1:42:36.840 --> 1:42:40.639 other's basketball skills, whatever, fine. It's more that the nature 1:42:40.680 --> 1:42:44.000 of the kissing, which is just like three non consensual kisses, 1:42:44.840 --> 1:42:48.240 is what I take most issue with. But you know 1:42:48.400 --> 1:42:51.720 that's still well. That brings me to a quote from 1:42:51.840 --> 1:42:57.840 another Mary Sue piece from Maddie Myers entitled Hay Space Jam. 1:42:57.960 --> 1:43:00.800 To give Lola Bunny the respect she'd serves this time, 1:43:01.520 --> 1:43:05.640 says quote. The way she is in Lila Bunny I 1:43:05.760 --> 1:43:09.080 was framed taught kid me a pretty depressing lesson about 1:43:09.120 --> 1:43:11.559 what it takes to be accepted by a group of guys. 1:43:11.800 --> 1:43:14.559 If you're lucky and if you're hot enough, maybe you'll 1:43:14.560 --> 1:43:17.880 get to date one of them. Unfortunately, I know that's 1:43:17.880 --> 1:43:20.920 a lesson that I internalized very early on in my life, 1:43:21.040 --> 1:43:24.200 the idea that male male validation was the only thing 1:43:24.280 --> 1:43:27.120 that really mattered as opposed to winning games and excelling 1:43:27.160 --> 1:43:30.000 at my chosen hobbies. It's a lesson that took me 1:43:30.160 --> 1:43:34.040 years to unlearn. Unquote. So that's kind of the whole 1:43:34.120 --> 1:43:37.160 thing with with Lola Bunny again, like as a character, 1:43:37.280 --> 1:43:40.920 isolating her character is like, she's a great character. A 1:43:41.040 --> 1:43:43.720 lot of young girls saw her and looked up to 1:43:43.800 --> 1:43:47.040 her and and found a lot of value in her 1:43:47.160 --> 1:43:50.640 character rightfully, so like she was the only good basketball 1:43:50.640 --> 1:43:53.720 player on the team aside from Michael Jordan's. But the 1:43:53.760 --> 1:43:55.840 way that she is framed by the story, like the 1:43:55.960 --> 1:43:59.280 story doesn't like her and and then she's her character 1:43:59.360 --> 1:44:03.639 suffers as a result. So and I agree. I did 1:44:03.800 --> 1:44:06.040 hear that for Space Jam two that they have brought 1:44:06.120 --> 1:44:11.120 in some w NBA players, So I'm hoping that that means, yeah, 1:44:11.160 --> 1:44:13.160 I was, I remember hearing something about that, So I'm 1:44:13.240 --> 1:44:16.800 like hopefully. And Lebron James has been very good about 1:44:16.880 --> 1:44:20.799 supporting female athletes, so I feel like he definitely wouldn't 1:44:20.880 --> 1:44:24.120 want to produce a movie that was like token woman 1:44:24.400 --> 1:44:28.120 in this era, Like I don't think. I think that absolutely. 1:44:29.080 --> 1:44:32.439 If they don't do Lola right in Space Dam two, 1:44:32.600 --> 1:44:35.360 it's gonna be like, it's gonna break my heart so bad, 1:44:35.840 --> 1:44:40.040 like that'll be that'll be ruining my childhood. I wonder 1:44:40.120 --> 1:44:43.080 if she'll get the Oh my gosh, I don't even 1:44:43.120 --> 1:44:45.600 remember her name, which tells you how important this character is, 1:44:45.680 --> 1:44:49.120 but the one female character in the Toy Story franchise 1:44:52.000 --> 1:44:55.519 made her like yeah and to History Story four. She 1:44:55.680 --> 1:44:57.760 I wonder if she'll if, like Lola Bunny will get 1:44:57.800 --> 1:45:01.920 the bo peep in Toy Story for treatment. We'll find out, 1:45:02.080 --> 1:45:05.400 I guess whenever that movie comes out. You can keep 1:45:05.439 --> 1:45:06.920 the crop top. But I just want her to have 1:45:07.160 --> 1:45:10.280 like some real shorts this time, like some like you know, 1:45:10.439 --> 1:45:13.000 knee high, knee length. I think we need to, we 1:45:13.080 --> 1:45:15.519 need to. We need her to have like knee length shorts, 1:45:16.000 --> 1:45:27.280 knees top eight of them are exposed um them, we're 1:45:27.280 --> 1:45:31.000 covered up at the top. I mean, yeah, I I 1:45:31.560 --> 1:45:38.040 hope that the question mark um iteration of Lola Bunny 1:45:38.320 --> 1:45:41.800 is you know. I I feel like at this point, yeah, 1:45:41.840 --> 1:45:46.360 with with Lebron involved and with how far hopefully we 1:45:46.479 --> 1:45:49.720 have come, since there will be more to see and 1:45:49.800 --> 1:45:53.960 more for Lola to do and reclaim. And I mean 1:45:54.080 --> 1:45:57.120 it is interesting this this uh, this franchise is like 1:45:57.400 --> 1:46:01.680 entering it's ninetieth year and it still evolving, which is 1:46:01.920 --> 1:46:05.519 pretty I mean, there's not a lot of franchises that 1:46:05.600 --> 1:46:08.560 you can follow for that long and track growth. So 1:46:09.000 --> 1:46:12.360 I'm excited to see what what she does next? Exactly? 1:46:12.760 --> 1:46:15.880 And yet and somehow we managed to talk nearly two 1:46:16.000 --> 1:46:20.000 hours about a seventy seven minute that is the that 1:46:20.160 --> 1:46:22.400 is the power of space Jam, that it edited, that 1:46:22.479 --> 1:46:26.759 it has capitalist messages, anti capitalist messages, it's pro union. 1:46:27.200 --> 1:46:32.080 It's like weirdly to nineties girl power, but also reinforces 1:46:32.200 --> 1:46:37.200 nineties sexism, all in just under ninety minutes. It's like, 1:46:37.400 --> 1:46:44.600 it's they don't make them like that anymore. Well, it 1:46:44.960 --> 1:46:47.719 does not. We set already does not pass the Bechdel 1:46:47.760 --> 1:46:54.320 test to female characters don't interact at all. Well, his 1:46:54.479 --> 1:46:57.280 wife and his daughter, his daughter and his daughter interact, 1:46:57.400 --> 1:47:01.519 but it is not shockingly only about Michael Jordan's right, Yes, 1:47:01.600 --> 1:47:03.679 I forgot about that, and yeah, the very brief moment 1:47:03.760 --> 1:47:07.000 there um, and then I think, like his wife and 1:47:07.560 --> 1:47:11.960 his housekeeper or his mother, We're not sure. Um. I 1:47:12.000 --> 1:47:14.519 think also interact with each other, but we don't know. 1:47:14.760 --> 1:47:18.000 Do we know any of their names? I don't. I 1:47:18.080 --> 1:47:20.000 think like it is her name, Sheila. I feel like 1:47:20.040 --> 1:47:22.320 they say her name once, but I don't remember. I think, 1:47:23.000 --> 1:47:24.519 and I think they say the other woman's named too. 1:47:24.600 --> 1:47:26.479 But it was funny because when that scene happened, I 1:47:26.600 --> 1:47:28.400 was like, will this be the scene? And it's not. 1:47:28.920 --> 1:47:31.040 But it's about food. But it's about food, and all 1:47:31.040 --> 1:47:35.519 I could hear is women be cooking because she's making 1:47:35.520 --> 1:47:39.760 because she's like making something with like collar greens and something. 1:47:39.840 --> 1:47:42.719 And I'm just lating. That does sound good? Women be cooking? 1:47:45.720 --> 1:47:49.200 It's yeah. Unfortunately, on the live action side, there's there's 1:47:49.280 --> 1:47:53.760 not much happening for women, And on the animated side, 1:47:54.120 --> 1:47:58.080 it's complicated. Are we are we at the nipples? Girl? 1:47:58.200 --> 1:48:06.720 Are we there? Yeah? Ten rabbit nipples. I'm gonna give 1:48:06.840 --> 1:48:11.320 this like a half nipple. Well, maybe I'll give it 1:48:11.400 --> 1:48:14.720 one nipple for Lola Bunny. Is she very tokenized? Is 1:48:14.880 --> 1:48:18.320 she hyper sexualized? Is any of that her fault? No? 1:48:19.120 --> 1:48:22.920 But you know she's at the mercy of these four 1:48:23.120 --> 1:48:27.519 male screenwriters, whoever the hell We've got a Leo, we've 1:48:27.520 --> 1:48:30.599 got a Steve, A Timothy, and a herschel Um who 1:48:30.640 --> 1:48:34.720 wrote this movie and had an opportunity to introduce an 1:48:34.840 --> 1:48:39.720 interesting female loony tune character into the cannon, and they 1:48:39.920 --> 1:48:43.640 did to some extent. Because Lola is awesome again if 1:48:43.640 --> 1:48:46.160 you just isolate her, but the movie, the way she 1:48:46.400 --> 1:48:48.680 is framed all the more that she gets to do 1:48:48.920 --> 1:48:51.400 in the movie, all the more screen time she has 1:48:52.120 --> 1:48:55.200 doesn't do her any justice. And then, just like with 1:48:55.479 --> 1:48:57.800 Charles Barklay's comment of like, you know, I was beaten 1:48:57.840 --> 1:49:00.439 by a bunch of girls like I don't, this movie 1:49:00.479 --> 1:49:05.000 doesn't respect women. Um. The fact that it's a of 1:49:05.200 --> 1:49:09.280 the live action characters, that it's a predominantly black cast 1:49:09.720 --> 1:49:15.160 is worth noting. That's not common for a hugely mainstream 1:49:15.240 --> 1:49:18.839 movie as this was that made over two million dollars 1:49:18.960 --> 1:49:22.640 at the box office, and this whole franchise, including merchandizing, 1:49:22.720 --> 1:49:25.439 which again does not include a little of Bunny enough, 1:49:26.040 --> 1:49:29.639 is estimated to have made something like six billion dollars 1:49:30.840 --> 1:49:36.360 since the movie was released. A lot of croptops. So 1:49:36.640 --> 1:49:39.560 you know, there's pros and there's cons. But you know, 1:49:40.040 --> 1:49:44.600 from the lens of intersectional feminism, I can't say that 1:49:44.720 --> 1:49:48.240 it does very well. So one nipple and um, I'll 1:49:48.280 --> 1:49:51.880 give it to a little of Bunny. Okay, this is 1:49:52.200 --> 1:49:57.280 maybe over over rely generally, I I'm cutting this movie breaks. 1:49:57.320 --> 1:49:59.840 Maybe it doesn't necessarily deserve, but I'm going to go 1:50:00.040 --> 1:50:02.120 for one and a half and maybe I want I 1:50:02.200 --> 1:50:05.920 almost want to give it it too, because I feel 1:50:05.960 --> 1:50:08.280 like we've we've touched on this throughout the episode. The 1:50:08.360 --> 1:50:12.839 fact that there is a female athlete icon at least 1:50:13.320 --> 1:50:18.080 for young girls to project onto, was not a small 1:50:18.200 --> 1:50:21.160 thing at this time. Is she hyper sexualized, yes? Is 1:50:21.600 --> 1:50:25.360 she not on screen enough? Absolutely not. But I do 1:50:26.040 --> 1:50:30.880 feel like a female athlete who is extremely competent and 1:50:31.320 --> 1:50:33.920 is confident. In spite of the fact that that is 1:50:34.080 --> 1:50:36.640 really only appears in one scene. It seems like the 1:50:36.720 --> 1:50:39.400 cultural legacy of this movie. It doesn't feel like there 1:50:39.479 --> 1:50:42.439 was just one scene because um, like, girls of this 1:50:42.520 --> 1:50:46.600 generation projected so much onto her, because what else was 1:50:46.720 --> 1:50:50.479 there at this time to project onto? You had basically 1:50:50.600 --> 1:50:55.640 Disney princesses who were like, had really no agency that 1:50:55.800 --> 1:50:58.160 much at all, because it Mulan hasn't come out at 1:50:58.240 --> 1:51:03.599 this point. So I so, I I I'm being overally 1:51:03.680 --> 1:51:06.080 generous to it, But I feel like Lila Bunny does 1:51:06.240 --> 1:51:09.439 bring a lot to the table. Having a predominantly black 1:51:10.040 --> 1:51:13.439 live action cast was a huge thing at this time, 1:51:14.000 --> 1:51:17.120 and I just, I mean, maybe I'm giving it extra 1:51:17.160 --> 1:51:19.280 points for nostalgia doesn't deserve, but I'm going to give 1:51:19.320 --> 1:51:21.599 it one and a half. I also, it's also worth 1:51:21.680 --> 1:51:26.200 mentioning that Um, there is. There are predominantly, as usual, 1:51:26.320 --> 1:51:29.000 white men behind the camera for this movie, but there 1:51:29.120 --> 1:51:32.760 is a black writer credited on this movie. Um, oh, 1:51:32.880 --> 1:51:35.639 where are my notes? Oh? No, I have too many 1:51:35.720 --> 1:51:42.519 notes because I feel like it is Timothy Harris who 1:51:43.000 --> 1:51:46.240 is at the black writer on this movie. He is 1:51:46.320 --> 1:51:50.040 the writing partner. It's like two male writing partnerships that 1:51:50.080 --> 1:51:53.600 wrote this movie. So it's Timothy Harris and Herschel weinrad 1:51:54.080 --> 1:51:58.200 great uh and then Leo bien Venudi and Steve Rudnick 1:51:58.240 --> 1:52:01.639 are the two teams. Leo and Steve also wrote Santa 1:52:01.680 --> 1:52:07.640 Claus shout Out, and Timothy and Herschel also wrote Trading Places, Kindergarten, 1:52:07.720 --> 1:52:10.519 Cop and Twins. So now we know why Danny DeVito 1:52:10.640 --> 1:52:15.840 is there. So there. I mean, it's I honestly, and 1:52:16.200 --> 1:52:18.200 I'm like, okay, so there there is a black writer 1:52:19.000 --> 1:52:23.760 on this project. Is it proportional representation? Absolutely not. Um, 1:52:24.520 --> 1:52:28.080 I don't know. I just I love this movie and 1:52:28.120 --> 1:52:30.120 I'm probably giving it too much credit, but I'm gonna 1:52:30.120 --> 1:52:32.160 give it a nipple and a half and I'm giving 1:52:32.200 --> 1:52:33.920 them both to Lola Bunny because we gotta get her 1:52:34.000 --> 1:52:38.840 to ten. So Princess um give her seven point five 1:52:38.880 --> 1:52:42.479 and give them up for seven point five nipples. I'm 1:52:42.560 --> 1:52:45.360 definitely gonna I think I'm gonna be a little bit 1:52:45.360 --> 1:52:48.000 more your generous and Jamie I gave it to, I 1:52:48.120 --> 1:52:52.040 thoughtfully gave it to both of them. Are Lola's nipples. Um. 1:52:52.600 --> 1:52:54.960 But I think for me, the thing that I was 1:52:55.000 --> 1:52:59.040 thinking about in context of like female athleticism is like 1:52:59.560 --> 1:53:03.200 the all only other movie I remember that featured like 1:53:04.040 --> 1:53:08.479 a female athlete in this way, whereas the priority was 1:53:08.560 --> 1:53:11.599 like loving basketball that came out and like in two 1:53:11.680 --> 1:53:15.720 thousand and I feel like when I think about what 1:53:15.880 --> 1:53:18.280 it meant for me to have like a Lola bunny 1:53:18.600 --> 1:53:22.120 doll when I was a kid, and like, even rewatching 1:53:22.760 --> 1:53:27.479 that movie today, I was like, there is something about 1:53:28.200 --> 1:53:31.680 the way that she just was so effortlessly cool that 1:53:31.920 --> 1:53:34.400 meant so much to me. And I think when I 1:53:34.479 --> 1:53:37.040 think about even now, the way like and even a 1:53:37.120 --> 1:53:40.879 Lola is not black, the way I've seen black girls 1:53:41.240 --> 1:53:46.120 attached to that character, the way I've seen like that happened, 1:53:46.200 --> 1:53:48.000 especially when you think about how the w n b 1:53:48.080 --> 1:53:52.200 A talks about women, treats women, how underfunded they are. 1:53:52.720 --> 1:53:55.040 I think, even though she doesn't get enough screen time, 1:53:55.240 --> 1:54:01.360 it does mean something to have a competent female athlete 1:54:01.439 --> 1:54:04.360 in a movie who gets to be a love interest, 1:54:04.720 --> 1:54:09.439 because that kind of thing de sexualizes you in a 1:54:09.520 --> 1:54:13.400 way that's very like queer phobic and misogynistic. At the 1:54:13.479 --> 1:54:16.240 same time, it's like they're like, oh, she must be 1:54:16.360 --> 1:54:18.120 like a lesbian, as if a that's a bad thing, 1:54:18.240 --> 1:54:20.960 like shout out to her. But I think that the 1:54:21.040 --> 1:54:23.719 tricky things that Lola is like a made by committee 1:54:23.800 --> 1:54:26.760 design character, and so like that's why it can't be 1:54:26.960 --> 1:54:29.280 like more than two. I love it that it's a 1:54:29.320 --> 1:54:33.520 black movie, I love the music in it, and I 1:54:34.240 --> 1:54:37.240 hope that Space Jam two does better. But I think 1:54:37.320 --> 1:54:39.800 in terms of like the legacy of what Lola has 1:54:39.840 --> 1:54:41.960 meant to a lot of people is still a good thing, 1:54:42.120 --> 1:54:45.680 and that's why I'm bumping it just lightly up to um. 1:54:46.320 --> 1:54:49.360 But I also agree that, like I'm probably giving it 1:54:49.400 --> 1:54:52.360 a lot of nostalgic credit because literally this movie has 1:54:52.440 --> 1:54:57.080 like genuinely saved me from like the worst like times 1:54:57.240 --> 1:55:00.360 in terms of depression. It's like, my sweet smot Daffy 1:55:00.480 --> 1:55:05.280 remains undefeated. He has he's so funny, he's so funny. 1:55:05.440 --> 1:55:08.640 I just I love him so much. And the only 1:55:08.760 --> 1:55:11.360 character in this movie that appears in drag if only 1:55:11.440 --> 1:55:13.960 for a second. Yeah, because he's doing like a little 1:55:14.040 --> 1:55:17.400 runway fleeting moments and he looked great, you know, like 1:55:17.720 --> 1:55:20.320 that we can pull off a wig um oh Looney 1:55:20.360 --> 1:55:23.200 Tunes look incredible and drag. Yeah, it's like that's kind 1:55:23.200 --> 1:55:28.760 of well. Princess, thank you so much for joining us. 1:55:29.040 --> 1:55:31.280 Thank you so much for having me. I was like 1:55:31.320 --> 1:55:32.720 when I got that, when I got the d M, 1:55:32.800 --> 1:55:36.720 I was like, I think. I was like, I was like, 1:55:36.840 --> 1:55:40.240 my time is come finally, I think. I think. When 1:55:40.280 --> 1:55:45.080 you asked me, I responded blank. I was like, Google play, Yeah, 1:55:45.480 --> 1:55:51.040 by us, you're featuring Luda Chris Well, we'd love to 1:55:51.120 --> 1:55:55.120 have you back anytime, so this will happen again. Thank you. 1:55:55.280 --> 1:55:56.720 That means so much. But thank you so much for 1:55:56.800 --> 1:56:00.240 having me this. This was so much fun. I turned 1:56:00.280 --> 1:56:01.840 off my fans for this, and I don't feel like 1:56:01.880 --> 1:56:05.880 I switted at all, even though I absolutely have so much. 1:56:05.920 --> 1:56:09.640 I love you guys much. You have clean audio, and 1:56:09.920 --> 1:56:14.880 everyone listening please follow Princess's work. I've been binging your 1:56:14.920 --> 1:56:19.200 YouTube channel. It is so fucking good, Like, just get 1:56:19.280 --> 1:56:22.760 into it, listeners. If you're not already into it. Yes, 1:56:22.920 --> 1:56:24.680 and tell us where we can find you and where 1:56:24.800 --> 1:56:27.640 what anything you want to plug? Yes, I am at 1:56:27.840 --> 1:56:32.000 Week's Princess on Twitter, no spaces and it's Week's w 1:56:32.280 --> 1:56:36.200 E E K E s um. And then on YouTube 1:56:36.320 --> 1:56:39.080 my user name there is Molina Pendulum because I was 1:56:39.200 --> 1:56:41.480 sixteen when I made it and I don't want to 1:56:41.560 --> 1:56:45.880 change it. And my last video was about Gone with 1:56:45.960 --> 1:56:49.560 the Wind, so you know, super topical, casual, you know, 1:56:49.920 --> 1:56:51.680 just have a little it's about the book though, because 1:56:52.560 --> 1:56:55.320 I'm not sitting through that movie for another four hours, 1:56:55.440 --> 1:56:57.200 like because it's too long. Thank you so much for 1:56:57.280 --> 1:57:02.200 having me, and let's go and jam. Well, welcome, Welcome 1:57:02.240 --> 1:57:06.520 to the Jam, to the Jam. As always, there, may 1:57:06.600 --> 1:57:13.760 the Jam be with you. We should rebrand as the 1:57:13.840 --> 1:57:17.400 Jam Cast. Yes what if? Oh no, punch Up the 1:57:17.440 --> 1:57:23.920 Jam is our new I'm just kidding. 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