1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have wouum, 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, or do 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best start changing 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: it with the Bechdel Cast. Everybody, get up, it's time 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: to cast. Now we got a podcast going down. Welcome 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: to the Bechtel Cast. It's your chance. Here's some rants 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: on the Bechtel Cast. Alright, alright, we have to keep going. 8 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: Come on and cast, and welcome to the cast. Come 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: on and cast if you want to. Caitlin, Jock Jams Durante, 10 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: thank you. I love a good jock jam. Oh so good. 11 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: If I'm having trouble getting started in the morning, I 12 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: find a Spotify list of jock jams and I get 13 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: to it. It's very effective, very good. Yeah, well, well, 14 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. It's it's we've been waiting for. 15 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: This day has been a long time coming. It's Space 16 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: Jam days. We've been talking about covering it forever. We 17 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: were originally going to wait until the sequel came out. Yeah, 18 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: but the sequel is just I mean maybe it's coming 19 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: button and now who knows, you know where the productor 20 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: it simply couldn't wait a moment longer. True. Um, this 21 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: is the Bechtel Cast Our Feminist Movie podcast, in which 22 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: we examine films through an intersectional feminist lens inspired by 23 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: the Bechdel Test, but we we do a far deeper dive. Yeah, 24 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: good grief. What's the Bechdel Test, Jamie? Well if if 25 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: you recall, it is a media metric invented by Alison Bechdel, 26 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: sometimes called the Beck dol wall Us Test. She's a 27 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: queer cartoonist who invented this media metric that requires that 28 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: to uh, female identifying characters that have names talk to 29 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: each other about something other than a man for more 30 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: than two lines of dialogue, female characters or just anyone 31 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: of a marginalized gender, right, I mean her original with 32 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: the version we use anyone of a marginalized gender speaking 33 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: to each other about something other than you know, let's say, 34 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: for this movie Bugs Bunny. Uh spoiler alert. Most movies 35 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: don't pass, and this movie doesn't pass. No, ye, right 36 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: up front, So I know it's like, well, I feel 37 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: like we always like like do a big drum roll 38 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: at the end, but now as time goes on, doesn't matter, 39 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: not much. It doesn't like most likely no, most likely no. Okay, 40 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: So that's the podcast today. Like we said, we're covering 41 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 1: Space Jam. We have a wonderful guest. She is a 42 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: writer for The Mary Sue. She is the co host 43 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: of pbs is It's Lit. She has a great YouTube channel, 44 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: It's Princess Weeks, It's towns Land and love Them see 45 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: their Jam. I have been waiting for this. I I feel, 46 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: I feel like to be able to cover Space Jam 47 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: on the Back Deal cast is like my purpose in life, 48 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: Like I feel like kill Manger in in Black Panthers, 49 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: Like I've been trading my whole life for this. You know, 50 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: I've your hero's journey has led to this. Here we are. 51 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: This is the final challenge. It's finally here. And it's 52 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: so funny that you bring up that this movie fails 53 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: the beach Del test, because the first thing I wrote 54 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: in my notes is like the only terrible things about 55 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: Space Jam or that it doesn't pass the Back Deal test, 56 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: And it opens within r Kelly song like those are 57 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: those to me are like the un givable sins of 58 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: this movie that I love so much. I'm like, yes, 59 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: I started watching it and it was like, oh, oh no, right, yeah, 60 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: and the other things as well. I'm so there's this 61 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: is a not I mean, I guess not even surprisingly 62 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: this is a dense text. Yeah, I was truly. I 63 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: feel like as time goes on, I'm always it's always 64 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: the movies. I expect to not have a ton of 65 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: notes for that, I have like seven pages of notes 66 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: for and then other movies like We the Vich I'm like, 67 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: I have fourteen words about this movie? What is there 68 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: to say? And yet our episode on that was over 69 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: an hour and a half. Yeah, it's like I do. 70 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: I want to live deliciously absolutely, but let's talk about 71 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: capitalism and Space Jam? Like what is that? Because exactly? 72 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: Oh it is so, I mean there's so, but like 73 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: the layers of marketing. I mean, this movie is marketing, 74 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: but the submarketing levels of this movie goes so deep 75 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: it was it made me uncomfortable. But then I also 76 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: was like, but it's still space Jam, right, So how 77 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: uncomfortable could I get? It's the inception of like vanity 78 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: projects because everyone's like, oh, because I was like looking 79 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: at the older reason, They're like, what two weird concepts 80 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: to mash together? And like, no, it's perfect because You're 81 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:26,559 Speaker 1: getting two very popular things to meet where they should 82 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: never meet, and yet it made millions. Just worked in 83 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: a way that people have been trying to emulate since 84 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: it's so I feel like, if things had gone even 85 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: a little bit differently, this movie could have been a 86 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: total disaster, Like if Michael Jordan's career had gone a 87 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: little differently, if the plot had I mean, the plot 88 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: is nonsense. It's such a finely tuned like it. I'm 89 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: so happy that it came together the way it did 90 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: because it could have been such a disaster because it's 91 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: it's adapted from two Nike commercials from the early nineties. 92 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: What else is there like that? That's Hasbro. Hasbro's whole 93 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: ploy was like, let's make toys and turn them into 94 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: TV shows the spatial like, we can go beyond. We 95 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: can take sneakers and the hip hop community's love of 96 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: looking tunes and really fine tune that machine into a 97 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: multimillion dollar operation. I and I do appreciate that this movie, 98 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: like it does not go halfway and telling you exactly 99 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: what it is. Because well, on the Post or Bugs, 100 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: Bunny is first build. In the credits, he is second build. 101 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: But the fact that these are the two main cast evers, 102 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: and there is you know, they eventually credit the voice 103 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: actor voicing Bugs Bunny, but it is Bugs Bunny who 104 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: is sharing the It's I mean, it's a big swing. Yeah, 105 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: it's great. It's like when the Downton Abbey movie, like 106 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: didn't put the cat sin the trail. They just put 107 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: the names of the characters from down to Nabby. They're 108 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: like Robert Crawley, just like you sons it. But I 109 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: was there, I was like, I will see Mrs Hughes. 110 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: I want to know what she's doing. It's a miracle 111 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: that this movie isn't the worst movie of all times. 112 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: But it's so good. I'm very excited to talk about it. 113 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: And I'm so excited that you're here to talk about it. Yes, Well, 114 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,559 Speaker 1: what's your what's your relationship with it? What's your history 115 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: with it? For me? All right? So I was four 116 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: years old when Space Jam came out, and I have 117 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: loved it ever since. I've always been obsessed with Lola Bunny. 118 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: I She's an icon to me and I just I 119 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: just love it. It's my every time I'm sad or 120 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: have like a really bad depressive episode, because I deal 121 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: with a lot of that. I put on Space jam 122 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: or just listening to the soundtrack, and it like sues me. 123 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: It's like being swaddled by a film. And like when 124 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: I was rewatching it, I really had to like turn. 125 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, princess, you have to like 126 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: forget that you're in love with this product, forget to 127 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: take off my nostalgia goggles and put on my like 128 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: feminist Bechdel goggles and like, and I always had to 129 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: be like, you know, I have notes, I have notes 130 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: on that, but overall, I just I love this movie. 131 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: I think it's it's a black film in a lot 132 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: of ways, from like the soundtrack and the music choices, 133 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: and just how you have Michael and like his beautifully 134 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: melanated family and um and also like even though he's 135 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: not in a lot his encouraging father who's like, yeah, 136 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: you can go to school, you can be whatever you 137 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: want to be. I just think that, like, you know, 138 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: if you're gonna do like marketing vanity project the movie, 139 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: those little bits of inclusion that are like in the 140 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: weird subtext of the film are like make it worth watching, 141 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: even with the critique lens on, Yeah, Jamie, what about 142 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: what about you, what's your history with it? I also was, 143 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: I think for when this movie came out. I love, 144 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,599 Speaker 1: I really liked this movie growing up. I've seen it 145 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 1: a lot and then I like, remember I watched it 146 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: with my cousins. I my mom was so like militant 147 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: about certain cartoons and there was no like if a 148 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: cartoon was too sexy, I couldn't look at it. So 149 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: I would have to watch Space Jam at my cousin's 150 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: house because there was too much like Rabbit koivish to 151 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: watch it it my I can't really like track the logic, 152 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: but that was I think what it was. It was 153 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: like the bunnies were too horny, and so I couldn't 154 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: watch it at home, but I could watch with my 155 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: cousins because horny bunnies were okay at their house. So 156 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: I watched it a lot on and off in secret 157 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: growing up. But I haven't seen it in a long 158 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: long time, like at least since high school, I think, 159 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: And so it was really fun to rediscover it because 160 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: since then, I like know a lot more about animation 161 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,599 Speaker 1: history and I'm like way more like I have a 162 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: little bit better of a framework about like the history 163 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: of Looney tunes, But at the time, I was just like, 164 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: I want to see the Sexy Rabbits and they were 165 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: kind of forbidden. So now you know, I'm an adult, 166 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: I can watch sexy rabbits whenever I want, and so 167 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: that's exciting for me. Um. But yeah, it was. So 168 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: it was kind of funny too. It was when I 169 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: think Caitlin and I we were texting about this, where 170 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: it was like if someone had asked me two days 171 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: ago to recap the plot of Space Jam, I would 172 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: have gotten it completely wrong, like same like mon Stars 173 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: versus Michael Jordan's, which is basically it, but there's also 174 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: a lot of other stuff going on. Um, yeah, I 175 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: love it. What about you, Caitlin. I was ten when 176 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: this came out, so I was, I think, like the 177 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: Target demo. Um, I loved it. I saw it starting 178 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: at age ten, watched it a ton, but probably haven't 179 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: seen it since I was eleven or twelve, So there 180 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: was like a year or two that I was like 181 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: watching it constantly and then I guess I felt that 182 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: I had grown out of it and then stopped watching it. 183 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: So I yeah, I haven't seen it in well over 184 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: two decades, and really there's I remembered almost nothing, except 185 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: there was one shot where as soon as I saw it, 186 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah, that it would have been 187 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: like burned into my memory forever. And it's when Michael Jordan, 188 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: when he first arrives in like Looney Tune Land, they're 189 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: like doing like a metal medical examination of him, and 190 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: one of the Looney Tunes looks into his ear and 191 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: then you cut to like an animated like shot of 192 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: the inside of his ear and there's like a paper 193 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: clip in there, and I was like, and that always 194 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: haunted me as a child, and I saw it again. 195 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: I thought about that shot when I was watching it 196 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: as well, because I was like, you know, Michael Jordan's 197 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: is very like scrupulous about his image, and I'm like, 198 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: I'm honestly surprised it got past his pr team to 199 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: be like, my the inside of Michael's ears has paper 200 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: clip sending them was like he I guess that he 201 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: was okay with that, right. A lot of the people 202 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: in this movie really let themselves be really silly and 203 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: it which surprised me. I was like, Wow, Charles Barkley 204 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: really got into this performance. Charles Barkley his physical acting, 205 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: pretending to forget basketball is really convincing it. That was 206 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: Patrick Hewings whole, like I can't do Like they did 207 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: a really good job for non comedic actors. I'm like, 208 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: was Bill Murray giving you all tips on set because 209 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: you guys were really doing quality quality vaudeville right there. Yeah, 210 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: it was really that every I mean, and like I mean, 211 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: athletes acting can be so all over the place, but 212 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: it's like pretty consistently on point in this movie, Like 213 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,599 Speaker 1: it's Michael Jordan's kills it. Charles Barkley is like, I 214 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: might disagree with that Michael Jordan is a little clunky 215 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: because I was watching him he he's wouldn't but when 216 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: he actually is having fun, you can tell. Because I 217 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: just feel like if I compare this to like the best, 218 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: the best has ever done with this kind of concept 219 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: is like still who framed Roger Rabbit and like that 220 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: was like acting with the cartoons and like Michael Jordan 221 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: is acting at the cartoons and so but you know what, 222 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: I expected a lot worse to be quite frank, watching it, Yeah, 223 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: I was like, I guess, I guess in the framework 224 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: of athletes acting, I just like I wasn't expecting like 225 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: Andy Circus green screen performance here, it was just like 226 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: I was like, if the eyeline is hitting and there's 227 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: like sort I was like, wow, amazing, the bar is low. Yes, 228 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 1: but it's funny because I've watched Space Dams so many 229 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: times in my twenties, but the last huge time I 230 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: watched it was for like my twenty one birthday. I 231 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,599 Speaker 1: was like, I just want us to get pizza and 232 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: drinks and watch Space Jam and Men in Black back 233 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: to back. Like I was like, that's my idea of 234 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 1: like a perfect birthday, and it was an excellent twenty 235 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: first birthday. I was like, this is it and it 236 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: went very well. What a great double feature? Yeah, truly? 237 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: Should I do the recap? Yeah, let's just get into it. Okay, 238 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: we'll get into this. This this uh classic Heroes Journey 239 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: narrative tale as old as time, in which cartoon characters 240 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: are about to be forced into amusement park servitude by 241 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: aliens from outer space, and then they recruit Michael Jordan 242 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: to help them play basketball because if they win, they 243 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: will not be abducted by aliens. So that's why why 244 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: did they almost get abducted by aliens? Well? Capitalism right, 245 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: Like they're like, well, they're the way that bugs. Bunny 246 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: like recaps their plight to Michael Jordan's. Once he gets 247 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: into the Loony Tuns the world, You're like, that is 248 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: kind of really bizarre. He's like, well they were they 249 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: were small, so we were like we could probably do this, 250 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: but then it turned out they got big, so now 251 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: we're scared. Like he also explains the Steaks to Michael Jordan's, 252 00:14:55,520 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: He's like, we're gonna be basically abducted into slavery, in 253 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: which we will have to do stand up comedy every 254 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: night and tell the same jokes over and over again gasp. 255 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: And then we'll have a next Flix special that no 256 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: one watches because Kenna gats people have dropped hers and 257 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: everyone will be like, well that's actual content, not this 258 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: lead tunes thing. Again. Good gree Okay, anyway, so the 259 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: story opens with Michael Jordan's as a child. He's very 260 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: good at basketball, and he's like, I'm going to play 261 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: in college and then I'm going to be in the NBA. 262 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: And then his dad is like, do whatever you want, 263 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: you can do it, and then kind of like the 264 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's legend, right, like that was how I learned 265 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: about the Michael Jordan's legend was as portrayed at the 266 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: beginning of Space Chap Yeah, that's exactly what happened. And 267 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: then we cut two a five minute montage of him 268 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: in the NBA, like under the credits, the opening credits. 269 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: It is very long, especially as because the last dance 270 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: just came out. I'm like, yeah, I know, I know this, 271 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: and I know what happens after. I haven't have either 272 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: of you seen it. I haven't had a chance to 273 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: see it. I haven't finished it, but I started it. Um, 274 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: I paused to watch this. I'm like, I don't want 275 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: it to ruin my interpretation of Space Tom to know 276 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: about Michael Jaman's gambling habits, well that I mean, it's 277 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: a very generous documentary towards him, but it's really good, 278 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: and the behind the scenes taste you get at the 279 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: production of Space Jam is really fun, fun, all very 280 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: pro Space Jam the documentary, Thank goodness. Um So, anyway, 281 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: we he as an adult. He's in the NBA until 282 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: he announces his retirement from basketball to play professional baseball. Meanwhile, 283 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: in outer Space, the head of an amusement part called 284 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: Moron Mountain, a character voiced by Danny de Vito, Wayne 285 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: Night and Danny DeVitto in the same movie My God, 286 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: How did we get so lucky? Could we be so lucky? Um? 287 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: He says, what is his character's name? It's Hammer, Smack 288 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: or something. I just as what I called him. I 289 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: was like, Dato, that's like, couldn't tell you. Wait now 290 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: I need to know. Let me look at it. I free. 291 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: He's so Mr swack Hammer. He's in the movie very little. 292 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: There's at one point he's getting a massage at the 293 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: basketball game, which I remember very clearly being like, oh, yeah, 294 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: the villain is getting a topless massage at the basketball game. Yeah, 295 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 1: he's in it for like five minutes maybe. But um, 296 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: but was Bunny so everyone hated her. But Mr whatever 297 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: his name is, is like, we need new attractions at 298 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: this amusement park. We need something wacky, something looney, We 299 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: need the Looney Tunes. You're like, sure Mark Incorporated. Now 300 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: back on Earth, Michael Jordan's is playing baseball. He's not 301 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: great at it. He strikes out during his game. And 302 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: then this guy stand a k Wayne Night is like 303 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: the team's publicist, and he's like, Michael, let me know 304 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: anything I can do to make you happy. I'll do 305 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: I'll give you rides to places, I'll do your laundry. 306 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: He's just there to support Michael. His name is literally yes, 307 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: he's stand and he's a Michael Jordan stand. Dan have 308 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: no choice but to stand. Also, this just occurred to me, 309 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: but I think this is a rare example of a 310 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: white character who only exists in the story to serve 311 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: a black character, because normally it is the opposite base 312 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: jam is woke. Um. So meanwhile, the Moron Mountain Aliens 313 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: arrive at in Looney Tune World to try to abduct 314 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: Bugs Bunny and his friends, and Bugs Bunnies like, you 315 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: can't just do that. You have to give us a 316 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: chance to defend ourselves, and the aliens are like, yeah, 317 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: of course, we're reasonable, we'll do that. And then the 318 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: Looney Tuns decide that they should challenge them to a 319 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: game of basketball, as you do. And even though every 320 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: Looney Tune is like, what's basketball? And then and then 321 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: Bugs Bunny shows them a black and white video of 322 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: basketball in the nineteen fifties and they're like, okay, we 323 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: get it. And then we're not up to that part yet. 324 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: But it's so funny because they're like, these are like 325 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: tiny guys. And then when they do like the sizes 326 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: for the loot is like at three foot four, and 327 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm just like, y'all are not sent it out here, 328 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: like calm down, bugs, Like if you think of a 329 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: live action reab it, if you think a rabbit that 330 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: is three ft four, that is a gigantic rabbit. That's 331 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: a hair. That's a hair. At this point, it's just 332 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: like it's too big. But even relatively speaking in terms 333 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: of relatively speaking in terms of basketball players, three ft 334 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: two or whatever is still very short. But the whole 335 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: logic behind the Looney Tunes wanting to play basketball is 336 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: that they look at the aliens and they're like, well, 337 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: they're so short and flimsy and small, let's play basketball 338 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: against them because we're sure to win. And then that 339 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: is the moment when you realize that an eighth grader 340 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: wrote this screenplay. No, there's it is very funny to 341 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: me that there are four credited writers on the screenplay, 342 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: Like it takes four men to do. It's a really 343 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: long commercial. Everybody there, we needed four people? Uh there? 344 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: I loved Okay, a plot point that I forgot at 345 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: the beginning is when the aliens get I forgot how 346 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: they get big, and it's because they steal talent which 347 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 1: is stored in a Spalding branded basketball, and the alien 348 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: brings the basketball back into the stands and it's like, 349 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: I did it. I took their talent. It's like a 350 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: weird thing. Like so it's like the scouts of this 351 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: corporation take these mostly black players, steal their talent so 352 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: that they can get other corporations. And it's like it's 353 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: like it's like it's like you don't know if it's 354 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: like high brilliance or like high ridiculous. It's like, yeah, 355 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: and this evil corporation is going to take all of 356 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: their talent so that they can abuse other people and 357 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: absorb more of it. And it's like it is the NBA, 358 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: Like is it? It's so hard to tell what is 359 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: completely sneaky brilliance and what is just a total mistake, Like, well, 360 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: how are we going to get them big? Okay? They 361 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: steal talent? Okay, So of the NBA players who get 362 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: their talent stolen from them are Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, 363 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: and then three other people who I have no idea 364 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,719 Speaker 1: who they are, but if you wouldn't, he would probably 365 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: know Sean Bradley, Larry Johnson and Muggsy Bogues. Muggsy Bogues, 366 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: I know, just because he's like one of the little 367 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: little players that like was really popular then and like 368 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: as a and I knew it wasn't a real Knicks 369 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: game because I couldn't or maybe I was looking for 370 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: Spike Lee because he's always at New York Knicks game 371 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: and I was like he maybe was like you can't 372 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: put me in space, dam And I was like, did 373 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: anyone ask him? Because what a cameo that would have 374 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: been if like he's the one I know. It's like 375 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: he should have been the one that like is like 376 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: where the everybody loves Raymond wife is. I'm like that 377 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: should have been Spike Lee's. He should have been there 378 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: just being like, man, what's going on here? That moment 379 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: with her is also so like I think it's it's 380 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: definitely supposed to be funny, but it's very jarring. Her 381 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: moment of like because she she's the one sitting next 382 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: to the aliens when they steal the talent, She's like, 383 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: I think someone's masturbating under their coat, and her husband's like, 384 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: shut up and you're like her husband. Her husband played 385 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: by Dan Castellanetta, who's famous for voicing a bunch of 386 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: Simpson's characters, including like Homer, Krusty Barney, etcetera. So you know, 387 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: it was nice to see his face on screen for once. 388 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: I guess. He also filled in for Robin Williams in 389 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: the Aladdin television show and in a Laddin The Return 390 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: of Jaffar before Robin Williams came back for Aladdin and 391 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: Nicking of Thieves, because I'm also an Aladdin expert, so 392 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: that you get to two things I can do for you. Well, 393 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: I didn't. I forgot that. Yeah, he didn't. He didn't 394 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: come back. I wonder if Robin Williams also kept his 395 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: talent in a basketball, oh or a lamp what? Personally, 396 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: even though I'm not good at basketball, I keep my 397 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: talent in a basketball just because it's a useful receptacle, 398 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: keeps afresh. Um. Okay. So then the Looney Tunes and 399 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: the Aliens start, I guess like they're kind of practicing 400 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: for their upcoming game. But the Aliens, using the talent 401 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: that they stole from the NBA players, transform into these 402 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: giant athletic mon stars. So the Looney Tunes abduct Michael 403 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: Jordan's while he's playing golf with Bill Murray and Larry 404 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: Bird and they bring him to Looney Tunes Land. My 405 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: favorite part is when after he gets absorbed in the 406 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: hole and like Bill Murray is like, what kind of 407 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: camera is that? He's like, don't point it at me. 408 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: It's like the talents, which is the closest thing we 409 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: get to them reacting at the sudden disappearance of Michael Jordan's. 410 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: They're just like, huh, I wonder where he went. Maybe 411 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: the cameras that had something to do with it. And 412 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: then similarly, when Michael Jordan's shows up in Looney Tune Land, 413 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: he's like what's going on here? Like like, no reactions 414 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: from these people, It's confusing. I was trying to justify 415 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: that too. I was like, well, we already know canonically 416 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: in the movie he's a big Looney Tunes fan because 417 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: he turns it on for his kids and he goes 418 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: see and then he leaves, and so you're like, okay, 419 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: so he wouldn't well you know, he's not. We don't 420 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: have time. The movie is only seventy minutes long, right, 421 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: which what a what a length of time that a 422 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: movie could be. It's like, man, I missed those days. 423 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: This is in two minutes and that's including like the 424 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: longest credit sequence and the longest closing credits, like to 425 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: five minute credit sequences at the beginning of and I 426 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: Love It. Um Okay, So then Bugs is like, hey, 427 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's you have to help us, And then they 428 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: hold try outs for the Tune Squad basketball team, and 429 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: all the Looney Tunes are terrible until Lola Bunny shows 430 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: up to try out for the team to the queen 431 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: and she's really good at basketball, and Bugs Bunny is 432 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: like Hubba, Hubba, who's that? And we just have to 433 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: breathe right past this for now because there's so so 434 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: so much to unpack that we'll get into later. But 435 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: then the tunes Um. There's a scene where they have 436 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: to go and pick up Michael's basketball gear from his house, 437 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: which is a scene I guess we needed, um And 438 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: then you know, I was like, I like, you know what, sure, 439 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: sure they have to do this great? Well, I will 440 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: say this about this scene. So I had the Space 441 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: Jam video game for a PlayStation, and this is like 442 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: a thing that you do in the game. So this 443 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: is like to me, it's like, this is just a 444 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: sequence to like have the kids be with the looting twins. 445 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: At the same time, it's our target demographic and they 446 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: should maybe get one moment of glory. It's very constructed. 447 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: I remember watching him like, so not to jump ahead. 448 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, so it takes fifty minutes for them to 449 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: actually start playing basketball. They're so far set up in 450 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: this movie, and I'm like, I don't want I didn't 451 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: remember it taking this long for us to get to 452 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: the to the to the basketball bits. It's also once 453 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 1: we got to the basketball game, I'm like, there has 454 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: to be more than one basketball game, but it's just 455 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 1: the one, just one, just the one. There. The pacing 456 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: in this movie is truly wild. Like I but Act 457 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: one is fifty minutes long. There's no act too, and 458 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: then Act three is like thirty minutes long. It took me. 459 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: It wasn't until Michael Jordan's, in another brilliant acting moment, 460 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: turned to the clock and he's like, there's ten seconds left. 461 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: I was like, wait a second, is this the climax 462 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: of the movie? And he says it so because he's like, 463 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: you know, in a green screen room, and who would 464 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: have prepared him for this moment. He doesn't say it 465 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: with that much urgency. He's like, there's ten seconds. He 466 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: just is great, there's ten seconds left. I was like, 467 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: oh my god, the movie is almost over. I didn't realize. 468 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: I thought that was a second game. I was wrong. 469 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: I forgot. Well that brings us to the beginning of 470 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: the game, where the Tune squad is ready to play. 471 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: The game begins. Lola made the team off screen. She 472 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: right the whole thing to talk about there no one 473 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: else tried out right. Um. The Month Stars are beating 474 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: the Looney Tunes pretty badly for like the first half 475 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: of the game. Then during halftime Stan who has showed 476 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: up Wayne Night, and he spies on the Monsters and 477 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: he's like, oh, they're winning because they stole the talent 478 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: from these NBA players. Of um, so that's a discovery. 479 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: He also accepts this very passively. He's like, yes, yeah, well, 480 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: I guess I better go tell Michael Jordan that this 481 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: is what's happening. And then he tells Michael Jordan, and 482 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's like, oh, so that's what happened. To those guys. 483 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: I guess we'll just have to go from there. The 484 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: humans are very passive in movie. They're just like, okay, well, 485 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: let's think of a solution. Here's not a moment of 486 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: like what right. So they start playing again, and the 487 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: Looney Tunes are able to catch up in the score, 488 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: and now they're only two points behind. But Michael Jordan's 489 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: says to the owner of the of Moron Mountain, who 490 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: has been getting a massage presumably this whole time, says 491 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: that if the Looney Tunes, if the Tunes squad wins, 492 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: then the Monsters have to give their talent back to 493 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 1: the NBA players. But if the Monsters win, they can 494 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: of Michael Jordan's for more on mountain. Um, so the 495 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: stakes have been heightened, tightened, the stakes very loud, and 496 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: there's ten seconds left, nothing to everything. Michael jordan indentured 497 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: servitude to save the single tear runs down here and 498 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: you're like, that's right or do they keep referring to 499 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: it in the movie slavery? So okay, Um, So then 500 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: they play the last ten seconds. Oh um, a lot 501 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: of people have gotten injured, so they need a fifth player. Yeah, 502 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: Lola Bunny has required rescuing. We'll get to that. Bunny 503 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: gets squished and then and then kissed. Wayne Night has 504 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: been squished and then inflated, and now all Michael Jordan 505 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: has to do is make his arm really long. Right. 506 00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: But first Bill Murray shows up again. Basically, thank goodness, um, 507 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: he's there to day s x mockina the plot. This 508 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: doesn't do much for high like changing the steaks, but 509 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: he does show up just as the fifth body that 510 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: they needed. Yes, it just feels good. And also he 511 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: has a line. We're like, oh, yeah, they did just 512 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: drop me in here, like I have connections. I was 513 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: just like, it's like I love him. So so it's 514 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: the last ten seconds Michael Jordan outstretches his arm all 515 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: cartoonishly and they child will ever forget, Like it's not 516 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: I mean it's I guess it's technically body horror, but 517 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: for me it wasn't. I'm like, yeah, that's like superhero ship. Um. 518 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: So he scores the game winning point, so the Tune 519 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: Squad wins. The Monstars have to give their stolen power 520 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: back um, but not before they kick their boss's ass 521 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: um and then Michael Jordan brings the NBA players or 522 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: talent back. He quits baseball and returns to basketball, and 523 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: that is the story. So they're hearing Michael Jordan gives 524 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: the NBA players their talent back. I mean, it's all 525 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: the hero's journey, beat by beat. I mean nothing about it. 526 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: Joseph Campbell could say anything about let's take a quick 527 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: break and then we will come right back to discuss 528 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: and we're back. Okay, Well where does start? Oh boy? 529 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, princess kick it off. No, before we get 530 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: into like like the beck Deli parts, I wanted to say, 531 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: what's interesting is that, like, so these are why Michael 532 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: Jordan's quit basketball to play baseball in real life is 533 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: because his father had died three months prior and his 534 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: father had played minor league, I believe, minor league baseball. 535 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: And that was like a whole way of him being 536 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: able to like be close to him and like pay 537 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: troopy to him. I mean, he was also terrible at it, 538 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: and I appreciate that the movie shows that, like he's 539 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: really bad that people just like him so much. Like 540 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: good job, Michael, I mean you failed, but like you 541 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: look so good doing it. And I just watching that 542 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: part again, Like that opening sequence is like really sad 543 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: and touching in retrospect that he chose to immortalize like 544 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: his father's legacy in like a film for children that 545 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: he probably made to show his own children. So I 546 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: just think it's kind of had like a little bit 547 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,239 Speaker 1: of sweetness to um why he probably chose to make 548 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: such a weird film. But he absolutely did not have 549 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: to make this movie. No. So I learned, um when 550 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: I was watching The Last Dance that because I was 551 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I mean I knew a lot, I guess, 552 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: like what I had absorbed through cultural osmosis about Michael 553 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: Jordan's career, but I didn't know like linear, like you know, 554 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: the exact timeline until I watched the documentary and bass 555 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: Jam comes at a like really interesting time in his career. 556 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: Because I was like, why besides money, which we know 557 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's is, like he has a lot of it, 558 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: and besides legacy, I was like, is there any other 559 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: reason that he did this movie? And I guess a 560 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: part of it is that Warner Brothers like provided him, 561 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: like he had a lot of stipulations in his contract 562 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: of like shooting can't take up too much of his 563 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: time because he was like retraining as he was shooting 564 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: this movie. So Warner Brothers like provided him with his 565 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: own like private basketball court to use throughout production of 566 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: this movie. And like, I guess that I don't know 567 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: that the documentary would have you believe that this having 568 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: this private space and having this very flexible schedule, um 569 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 1: was part of what allowed him to make a huge 570 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: comeback because he was like this movie was shooting as 571 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: he was kind of like relaunching his basketball career, which 572 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: is interesting. I don't know. There wasn't a negative word 573 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: set about Space Jam, and it sounds like everyone had 574 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: the time of their lives and it was good bonding 575 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: for everybody. It's just the whole Sychael and Bugs are 576 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: best friends to this day. Yes, of course I love 577 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: I Actually that makes me happy because because of Michael 578 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: Jordan's reputation, you could think that he could have been 579 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: I mean they could probably they might not have said 580 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: it that he could have been a real diva on shed, 581 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: but it sounds like that wasn't the case. And to 582 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 1: like have it pull in so many other really famous 583 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: and like in their prime NBA players to be like 584 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: do you want to just be silly in like a 585 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: children's movie for like a whole like twenty minutes. It's 586 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: like it's it's That's one of the things I like 587 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: about this movie. It doesn't take itself too seriously and 588 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: like a lot of the things that were like are 589 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: weird about it. I was like as a kid, I 590 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: remember thinking like, oh, yeah, like I totally believe the 591 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: Lily to just live like a billion feet below ground 592 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: like and also like I don't know, I think about 593 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: how like hell right, it's also implied that they live 594 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: in hell, which means more on mountain is more on 595 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: mountain heaven then, And I just can't help but wonder 596 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: like if if I if something happened to me and 597 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: like I got like I was pulled from the backdell 598 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: cast and it's like, oh, you need to help the 599 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: Looney Tunes, like you know, with an anime contest. A 600 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: part of me would be like what the hell is 601 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: going on? With A part of me was like this 602 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: is kind of awesome, so I think I will do 603 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: this roll with it. It's like if this is a 604 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: fever dream, I don't want to be a waken from it. 605 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: The Looney Tunes they came into Michael's life at a 606 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: pivotal moment in his life, and he's like, all right, 607 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: you know, everything happens for a reason, so here I am. 608 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: It's very the secret the way he approaches the fun 609 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: of this movie. It's like I manifested this, so let's 610 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: just let it happen. I mean, so, I guess one 611 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: of the more fun and bizarre and princess you've already, 612 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: like we've sort of been talking about it already, is 613 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: the fact that this movie, which it never I don't know, 614 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: I'd never framed it this way in my head, but 615 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: the more I was reading about production and then just 616 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: watching it, You're like, this is a seventy five minute commercial, 617 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: Like this is top to bottom a very effective and 618 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 1: entertaining marketing ploy for so many things that I almost 619 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: lost count. It's like relaunching the Looney Tunes into like 620 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: the popular as I guess. It is a commercial for 621 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's comeback. It's a commercial for the NBA. It's 622 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 1: a commercial for five hundred different brands that they mentioned. 623 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: It's like it's a commercial for so many things, to 624 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: the point where the director, Joe uh Pitka, he's only 625 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 1: directed two movies ever, and then he's directed five hundred commercials. 626 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: He's a commercial director who has like all he's only 627 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: directed commercials, including and music videos. Um so he's like 628 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: a marketing guru. He's not necessarily like your traditional tour 629 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: film maker. He has he had previously made commercials with 630 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,280 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's he had directed a number of Michael Jackson 631 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: music videos. Like he was an iconic marketer, and the 632 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: fact that he's hired for this is like, well, this 633 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: movie is like is selling you a lot of stuff 634 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: all at once and people bought all of it. Like 635 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,839 Speaker 1: there's there's a there's a line where like stand goes 636 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: to like, you know, put on your hande like if 637 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: your nikes, get your gatorade, you know, eat yeah, And 638 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: I'm just I know, and I'll get back and I'm 639 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 1: just like and it came out so weirdly organically, but 640 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: as an adult, I'm like, oh, that's so funny. But 641 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: as a kid, I would like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 642 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: I do the thing. And I've never eats before in 643 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: my life, but i know I've seen him on boxes 644 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: of wheaties, so I'm like, oh yeah, like he of 645 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: course he would eat cereal with your face on it 646 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: and It's like in retrospect, Wayne Night is just listening 647 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: off various Michael Jordan's endorsement deals. You're like, oh, this 648 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,320 Speaker 1: was a business thing. And then they're also like, you know, 649 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: if we're putting like you know, the Looney Tuns versus 650 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: Disney cartoons, Looney Tunes are far sillier and far more aware, 651 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: like self aware that they are cartoon characters that are 652 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: owned by a company. But it's also very on display 653 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: in this movie because there's that like a shot where 654 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: Daffy Duck is showing that he has like a Warner 655 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 1: Brothers tattoo on the grass, and then he kisses it 656 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,959 Speaker 1: and he's like, I love being property of the Warner 657 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: Brothers company. You're just like this movie is so weird 658 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: because it is so flagrantly pro capitalism, but it also 659 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: seems to be making fun of it and critiquing it 660 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 1: in moments. But then you're like, but is it I 661 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. It's weirdly pro union, like 662 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: they brag up. Someone said like he's like it's like 663 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 1: we're a cartoon union members discussion about what's gonna happen, 664 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: and I'm like wow, like like wait, they have a 665 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: union meeting in Hell where they live. There's also a 666 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: moment where um ugs so something like, hey, you know 667 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: all the like posters and lunch boxes and stuffed animals 668 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: that have our faces on them, have we ever seen 669 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: any money from that? And Daffy's like, not a cent, 670 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 1: We're getting screwed. I was like, oh my gosh, but 671 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: I love the Warner Brothers, the asked tattoo. I did 672 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: not remember the asked tattoo shot and it really stuck 673 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 1: with me this time around. And like, even to get 674 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: into Looney Tunes Hell, you have to pass through a 675 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: Warner Brothers logo, so branded on top of branded, on 676 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: top of branded. It's like it is wild and it's 677 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: a commercial for University of North Carolina. Yeah yeah, I 678 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: watched them after every game and Michael's dad is like, wow, 679 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: that's a good school at the very beginning, So yeah, 680 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: good education their son. There are so many elements of 681 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: essentially on display in this but it's just like a 682 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: pure period of such flagrant spending and capitalism and like 683 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: glorifying that, uh in a way that the movie is 684 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,399 Speaker 1: like I think that maybe that's what hits a little 685 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: different for me, Like looking back on it is most 686 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: movies that are really glorifying capitalism don't seem quite as 687 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,320 Speaker 1: aware of it as this movie repeatedly references that it 688 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: is very aware that it is selling you something. And 689 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: they'll break the fourth wall to sell you something. They'll 690 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: have an ask tattoo to sell you something, and so 691 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: it's like everyone is so aware of what they're doing 692 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: because they're commercial directors. Like it's just I don't know, 693 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 1: it's fascinating. There's nothing else like it that's just popular 694 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: or long and has been so successful. Like I always 695 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,919 Speaker 1: said that like Spam is like a black movie because 696 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: I feel like it does tap into that. Like hip 697 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: hop culture loves Luony too. It's like Jay Z wrote 698 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: a whole Bugs Bunny wrap and helped curate the soundtrack 699 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: for this movie, and like that is like it's everyone 700 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: loves it in that sense. But like I think like 701 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: the black community and like the hip hop community really 702 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: latched onto the aesthetics of this space. I like, I'll 703 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 1: see like Bugs, Bunny, Hoodies, Taz, like Daffy, Like those 704 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: characters are very much tied to that. And I think 705 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: that even by like just putting Michael Jordan in a 706 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 1: production of that just kind of shows how Michael Jordan's 707 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: the public figure had sort of been elevated to this 708 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,359 Speaker 1: place of like success because I can't because even now 709 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, the next time they made this 710 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: kind of like crossover lud To movie, it was like 711 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: with like Brendan Fraser at the end of his career 712 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: and it didn't go well at all. Yeah, And it's 713 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 1: like and it's like, you really can't imagine someone besides 714 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: like a Beyonce with her now with her Disney stuff, 715 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: being like a black celebrity being attached to like such 716 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 1: a brand this popular, because like it's a risk for 717 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: Warner Brothers too to be like, yeah, we're gonna make 718 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 1: this a movie where like most of the people who 719 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 1: are actually people in this are like black people, and 720 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,320 Speaker 1: like the black actors are hold most of the power 721 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: um and and influence, and like you were saying, Caitlin, 722 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: like that, Wayne Knight is completely his plot is completely 723 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 1: subservient and dependent on whatever it is Michael Jordan's is doing. 724 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: If Michael Jordan has dragged to hell by cartoons, Wayne 725 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 1: Night must go to help to rescue him, like yeah, 726 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 1: and then we've got like Bill Murray, who's just like, 727 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: can I be in the NBA too, Like that's his 728 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: whole thing. And then he's like, is it because I'm white? 729 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: And they're like and they like Larry is white. He's like, 730 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: Larry's not white, Larry is clear, funny the and and 731 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: even like Bill Murray seems to sort of be playing himself, 732 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: where like his whole persona is that I just show up. 733 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: I'm just around, I'm at your wedding, I'm at your house, 734 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: and so he's sort of like, I'm at space Jam. 735 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm in the movie playing myself. Why I don't know. 736 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: So he's like also just doing Bill Murray. And doesn't 737 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: he also play himself in zombie Land. I feel like 738 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 1: there are several movies when he placed himself, but I'll 739 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: say he did a much better, like when her britend 740 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: Zombielane is a land where they're like they asked him, like, 741 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: do you regret anything? And he says, garshield him like 742 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,279 Speaker 1: that's right because he knows Space dam is like up there. 743 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 1: It's like the top ten of what he's done. No 744 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: regrets truly, it is, so I mean, and and it's 745 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: it's good to have Bill Murray in the mix for 746 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: the green screen scenes too, because I feel like I 747 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,839 Speaker 1: found out that the people who are playing the monstars 748 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 1: for for Michael Jordan to play against where people from 749 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 1: ground lengs. They just put groundlings people in green screen 750 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: suits and they're like run play basketball with Michael Jordan's 751 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 1: and then so like a bunch of improv heads from 752 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: the nineties were just running around like with Michael Jordan's. 753 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,400 Speaker 1: This is just something that happened, which they were the 754 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: stand ins for the Looney Tunes, and then they hired 755 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 1: pro basketball players to be to like be the standards 756 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 1: for the month stars for the month Stars. Yeah, but 757 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: for for like Lola Bunny was like a groundling in 758 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 1: a green screen suit, and then Michael Jordan had to 759 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:15,359 Speaker 1: be like, wow, this girl has skills. Amen. Um, let's 760 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: take a quick break, a quick time out, and then 761 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 1: we will be right back and we're back. Uh. And 762 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,960 Speaker 1: we had just mentioned Lola Bunny, which is a good 763 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 1: transition to talk about like the weird place that Lola 764 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,800 Speaker 1: occupies is like the token chick who's like invented to 765 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 1: be the new token Lily Tune chick. And how like 766 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: as someone who's always really attached and loved that character. 767 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 1: I'm really interested to see what you guys have to 768 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: have to say about her, because I I'm very well 769 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,799 Speaker 1: and dear to her. Oh and I was I mentioned. 770 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 1: I want to say this. So the biggest reason why 771 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: I love Lola, besides all the things that I think 772 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: are like you know it can be problematic about her, 773 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: is that there is something about seeing the only other 774 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,800 Speaker 1: good player on this basketball team is a female character. 775 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,840 Speaker 1: Because the w n b A had just formed in 776 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 1: this movie came out and they wouldn't play another game 777 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 1: until next year the year after this, and like you 778 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 1: get the scene with like Charles Barkley like going up 779 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 1: against those women and they like dominate him and they're like, 780 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: you're a scrub, get out of here. And like Lola 781 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: is like the most competent player on the team. But 782 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,400 Speaker 1: yet whenever I read like critiques of her, they're always 783 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 1: like she's too sexy, and I just don't know. I 784 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,000 Speaker 1: guess it's because I don't really look at her and 785 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: sexualized her instantly that I always was like, is that 786 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 1: really like a problem with like her? Or is it 787 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 1: just like that a lot of men of that age 788 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: will just asside sex, two boobs, and then it's just 789 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: like Okay, we're going to go from there. But I 790 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 1: would love to hear what you guys think about it, 791 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 1: because I know it's like one of those hashtag. I 792 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 1: am also very attached to Lola because it's like and 793 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: it's weird because I feel like, in like rewatching it 794 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,560 Speaker 1: for this recording, I'm realizing that I projected things onto 795 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,239 Speaker 1: Lola that maybe weren't actually there because she's not she's 796 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 1: she's on screen for a total of five minutes. She 797 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 1: doesn't come in until almost forty minutes into the movie. 798 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,840 Speaker 1: So I think that I like, because she is like 799 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,879 Speaker 1: the female character who is active, I projected so much 800 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,359 Speaker 1: onto her that like is sort of there, but also 801 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,920 Speaker 1: kind of isn't where I view her to be like 802 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 1: really important in this moment where like you're saying princess, 803 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:54,160 Speaker 1: Like women's athletics are actually being televised at this point 804 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 1: and they're actually like being spotlighted, but there's still a 805 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 1: lot of like there was like a controversy see around 806 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,480 Speaker 1: this time where when like men were narrating stuff going narrating. 807 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how sports worket, but likeinggging during the Olympics, 808 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,879 Speaker 1: like they would only refer to women just using their 809 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 1: first names and kind of infantilizing them and commenting on 810 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,320 Speaker 1: their bodies all the time. So it was like women 811 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,360 Speaker 1: were actually being shown, but they still weren't being treated 812 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,040 Speaker 1: with respect. And it feels like Lola kind of exists 813 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,280 Speaker 1: in that same space where she is like a gifted 814 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,920 Speaker 1: basketball player. She knows this, she is active and like 815 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:43,080 Speaker 1: asserting this for herself, but she's still presented so sexually, 816 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,919 Speaker 1: and I don't like it's hard because it's like that's 817 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 1: not her fault. It fucks with my head, right because 818 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,320 Speaker 1: it's like, this is a female character who is created 819 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 1: by five hundred men and and conceived for this movie. 820 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,840 Speaker 1: She did not exist in Loney Tunes Cannon prior to 821 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,560 Speaker 1: this movie. She was created to be on this basketball 822 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,760 Speaker 1: team so anything. So this is like there's no prior 823 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,560 Speaker 1: cannon for her, So she's very much a product of 824 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:16,080 Speaker 1: this exact time. And I do feel like I like, 825 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,600 Speaker 1: really I watched her introduction scene like four or five 826 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:24,480 Speaker 1: times just to just to catch everything, and I don't know, 827 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,440 Speaker 1: I feel like there are it has a lot of 828 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:33,359 Speaker 1: like nineties nineties like feminism about it. Because I feel 829 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,439 Speaker 1: like she is saying one thing and then like she's 830 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,799 Speaker 1: doing another thing where she's like there's that moment where 831 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: she walks in and she's like, I wanna try out 832 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 1: for the basketball team. Look what I can do. But 833 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 1: then the way that she's animated is like she's moving 834 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,600 Speaker 1: in a way to like titilate other characters. It's just 835 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: so it's really confusing. You can tell that they're very 836 00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 1: much pulling from Jessica rabbit um to like you know, 837 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,560 Speaker 1: with this movie format. I don't I love her so much. 838 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,520 Speaker 1: I love her so hard. Lola Bunny is the Megan 839 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,680 Speaker 1: Fox of Looney Tunes to me, because there's an element 840 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,719 Speaker 1: of like it's like the thing of like framing versus action. Yeah, 841 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,360 Speaker 1: and then at the same time I think of, like, 842 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:20,920 Speaker 1: you know what the thing that buzz means. I remember 843 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 1: one reviewer kept on like she's got bunny boobs, and 844 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,400 Speaker 1: I just kept thinking, like, why are you guys so 845 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:32,080 Speaker 1: weird about sexy female animals. I don't understand it because, like, 846 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,600 Speaker 1: like as someone who like I remember watching like the 847 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,239 Speaker 1: Lion King to Simba's Prime thing, and like Covu is 848 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,560 Speaker 1: kind of hot for like a lion, but I don't 849 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,560 Speaker 1: like sexualize him. Like in Gargoyles you have Goliath who 850 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 1: was like a male anthropomorphic lizard person in a loincloth, 851 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 1: but that doesn't distract you from like all the other 852 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,600 Speaker 1: things that that character does. It's like, obviously a hottie, 853 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 1: but like here to do gargoyle things. And the thing 854 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,000 Speaker 1: about I think you hit on so well is that 855 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,839 Speaker 1: she is going to let that girl power like don't 856 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,200 Speaker 1: call me doll thing, but she also has to be 857 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:14,360 Speaker 1: an object of the lust for bugs, which is weird 858 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 1: because you can tell her. She's like, oh, you're cute, 859 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 1: but you called me a name that I don't like, 860 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: so I have to like disrespect you to your face. 861 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,520 Speaker 1: And then he's like, I'm into it, which makes me 862 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,880 Speaker 1: respect bugs a little bit. But it is that, but 863 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,479 Speaker 1: it is weird because then later on she's the only 864 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,600 Speaker 1: character you see not get injured on screen. Yes, okay, yeah, 865 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,080 Speaker 1: which bothers me more than her being rescued. But yeah. 866 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 1: The way that cartoon violence is dealt with in this 867 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,440 Speaker 1: movie and the way that the female characters are designed. 868 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,200 Speaker 1: We've talked about this with animated movies before, where it's 869 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,240 Speaker 1: like the way that male identified cartoons can be designed 870 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,880 Speaker 1: almost in any way, and they can look super goofy, 871 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,279 Speaker 1: or they can be really tall, really short. There's any 872 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,600 Speaker 1: amount of body diversity that can exist within male coded cartoons, 873 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,920 Speaker 1: but when it's a female coded cartoon, that is not 874 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:06,400 Speaker 1: the case. It looks like a sexualized human woman period. 875 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,720 Speaker 1: And the violence is much the same. Like she's she's 876 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,080 Speaker 1: not squished in the way, like she's not treated the 877 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,680 Speaker 1: same rules of gravity don't apply to her. It's there's 878 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,279 Speaker 1: really nothing. She's not looney. It's a matter of like, yeah, 879 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,520 Speaker 1: like the same rules don't apply to her. I actually, okay, 880 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 1: I kind of want to like take the few beats 881 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,800 Speaker 1: that she has in this movie, just sort of like 882 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,799 Speaker 1: beat by beat examine them because, like you said, Jamie, 883 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: she shows up in the movie about forty minutes in 884 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,959 Speaker 1: for the first time because they're all the liney tunes 885 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,400 Speaker 1: are in the plot. Yeah, there's not so much exposition 886 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,640 Speaker 1: before this. They're in a gym preparing for the game, 887 00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,680 Speaker 1: like they're all playing. They're all proving to be very 888 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,960 Speaker 1: bad at basketball, and Michael Jordan's says, has anyone around 889 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,960 Speaker 1: here played basketball before? And then lolad Bunny shows up 890 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,239 Speaker 1: and she says, I have bugs Bunny is immediately attracted 891 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,040 Speaker 1: to her. He has like hearts in his eyes. I 892 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,920 Speaker 1: have a lot to say about that too, because bugs 893 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:07,400 Speaker 1: Bunny is not like a hyper like sexual creature history right, like, 894 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:13,399 Speaker 1: but bugs Bunny wasn't like testosterone like super hetero over 895 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:20,000 Speaker 1: masculine eyes before this movie. It's just so anyways, sorry right, So, 896 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,719 Speaker 1: So he's patronizing in sexist to her because he says 897 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,560 Speaker 1: something like I want to play a little one on 898 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,440 Speaker 1: one doll, basically being like, want to go fuck me 899 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:33,359 Speaker 1: right now, please doll, please doll. And she's like, I'm 900 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,160 Speaker 1: about to just dominate your ass, right yes for the culture, 901 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,200 Speaker 1: because yeah, she's infuriated by this suggestion of his and 902 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,000 Speaker 1: her like you know, fire springs up in her eyes. Well, 903 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 1: she says she's infuriated, but then the way she's framed 904 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:53,520 Speaker 1: implies that she is not infuriated. It's so confusing. It 905 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,880 Speaker 1: is like Megan Fox is the perfect comparison of like, 906 00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:02,359 Speaker 1: like on paper, what mackay of Banks says is very 907 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,319 Speaker 1: oh cool, this is a motivated female character, but then 908 00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,359 Speaker 1: the way you see her doesn't back that up. It's 909 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,200 Speaker 1: so confusing. There's like an identical moment in the first 910 00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:15,920 Speaker 1: Transformers movie where like her sexist boyfriend, Megan Fox's sexist 911 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,000 Speaker 1: boyfriend says something like get in the car, a little bunny. 912 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,520 Speaker 1: I think he calls her a bunny, and then she says, like, 913 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,240 Speaker 1: you can't tell you how much I'm not your little bunny. 914 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,239 Speaker 1: So maybe a reference to Space Jam No, but you know, 915 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:35,640 Speaker 1: Transformers and Space Jam Alike proceed to really over sexualize 916 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,520 Speaker 1: her the rest of the time, and you know there's 917 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,360 Speaker 1: a we can talk about her character design more, but 918 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,080 Speaker 1: um back to back to the story beats. So she 919 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,040 Speaker 1: dominates him in basketball, proves to be the only good 920 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:53,080 Speaker 1: tune player. She leaves bugs says, oh, she's obviously nuts 921 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,040 Speaker 1: about me, and then Michael Jordan's, on the other hand, 922 00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:01,440 Speaker 1: is like, that girl's got some skills and recognizing a 923 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: woman's talent. Wow, that girl has skills, right, that's find 924 00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:12,000 Speaker 1: that second incredible oscar skills. So she's only on screen 925 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,359 Speaker 1: in this scene for probably like twenty seconds, and then 926 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,880 Speaker 1: Tweetie Bird also says she's hot and also tweet doesn't 927 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 1: have sex. Tweet doesn't believe in sex. Please. I was 928 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,320 Speaker 1: so disgusted Why that I was like me is a 929 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,640 Speaker 1: sexless character. You're just like, why is Tweetie horny? I 930 00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,640 Speaker 1: didn't like a sexual icon. Tweet Bird did not need 931 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,200 Speaker 1: to be dragged into this, like just like just like 932 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:41,920 Speaker 1: let him be, let be whatever. That is of all 933 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,800 Speaker 1: the weird things that happened in that scene, that is 934 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,600 Speaker 1: the worst part for me is tweety Bird going, WHOA, 935 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,719 Speaker 1: she is hot. You're like, tweets this is I friend 936 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:58,600 Speaker 1: better from you? I thought you were an ally so 937 00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,000 Speaker 1: then um as I think Jamie, it was you who 938 00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,239 Speaker 1: mentioned that she off screen gets a spot on the 939 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: basketball team. We don't see this. This has never made 940 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,320 Speaker 1: clear that she like officially makes the team, because the 941 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,360 Speaker 1: focus of the scene quickly shifts back to you know, 942 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,120 Speaker 1: bugs bunny sexual attraction to her, rather than her basketball skills. 943 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,200 Speaker 1: Although I do feel like, in an inadvertent way, I 944 00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,440 Speaker 1: will give the movie a little credit by saying, you know, 945 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,000 Speaker 1: she has to be infinitely more skilled to be on 946 00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,239 Speaker 1: the team than her male counterparts who do not know 947 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:36,799 Speaker 1: how to play basketball at all. But that falls into 948 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,840 Speaker 1: the there's this trope and I don't know what it's called, 949 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,960 Speaker 1: but it's basically when any narrative will have one main 950 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,880 Speaker 1: female character. She's surrounded by less only other men. What 951 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:54,440 Speaker 1: is it principle? Yes, yes, So she's shown to be 952 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:59,840 Speaker 1: super competent. She is usually very conventionally attractive um but 953 00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,759 Speaker 1: ultimately never gets to do that much except you know, 954 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,920 Speaker 1: maybe have a few kick ass cool lady moments and 955 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,080 Speaker 1: then the rest of the movie will be about someone else. 956 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,160 Speaker 1: Like she falls squarely into that for me, And that's 957 00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,800 Speaker 1: even in that Like I feel like there's a million 958 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,280 Speaker 1: versions of the like Lola Bunny entrance moment when she 959 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, like bugs Bunny is clearly not expecting her 960 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,280 Speaker 1: to be good at basketball, and then every you know, 961 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:28,960 Speaker 1: like a man on the court has to be like 962 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:33,160 Speaker 1: whoa she did thing like which happens all. I feel 963 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,720 Speaker 1: like it's most common in like action movies, where it's 964 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,120 Speaker 1: like what that mixed we need article we can't stop 965 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,400 Speaker 1: sighting for five years, where it's like I am a 966 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,320 Speaker 1: woman and I kick, and then when when she kicks, 967 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,800 Speaker 1: everyone goes, oh my god, she made a kick, And 968 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:50,960 Speaker 1: I guess she hangs out with us now because she 969 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,680 Speaker 1: made a kick. But mostly she'll just be you know, 970 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,280 Speaker 1: a love interest. Yes, but she's a really good basketball player. 971 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,160 Speaker 1: I know, and it a weird thing because like, when 972 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,080 Speaker 1: I think about the mostly male critics I've heard, like 973 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,640 Speaker 1: SKay Little, They'll be like, she's just an excessive character 974 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,840 Speaker 1: that like doesn't fit into the movie. And I'm like, 975 00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 1: she's on screen for five minutes, yet you have whole 976 00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,640 Speaker 1: think pieces about how she ruined space jams for you, 977 00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,880 Speaker 1: or like how she ruined Bugs Bunny. And it's like, 978 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,440 Speaker 1: I think it's fair to critique, as Jamie points out, 979 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:28,360 Speaker 1: like how they use Lola to sexualize bugs in the 980 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:29,960 Speaker 1: way it like I think he only had one other 981 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,920 Speaker 1: girlfriend before, named Honey Bunny, who basically just looks like 982 00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,280 Speaker 1: really like Bugs Bunny but in drag. But like, overall, 983 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,400 Speaker 1: he's always like paying the seductress or something like it. 984 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,320 Speaker 1: In his own self is like a wacky character. And 985 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,360 Speaker 1: the only way they knew how to introduce a female 986 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,640 Speaker 1: character was to be like, well, she has to date somebody, um, 987 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:49,920 Speaker 1: And so you have this catch money two where like 988 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,080 Speaker 1: you can't spend a lot of time on this character 989 00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,200 Speaker 1: that no one came to see, but you have to 990 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,480 Speaker 1: do enough to establish their presence. And because they have 991 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,680 Speaker 1: chosen to make Lola the girl friend, they have to 992 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,840 Speaker 1: spend one of her five minutes of fame in having 993 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,560 Speaker 1: a scene in which she gets rescued by bugs, which 994 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't even bother me as much because we'll get to 995 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,080 Speaker 1: in a second, it wouldn't even bother me as much 996 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:22,680 Speaker 1: if she had a wacky moment anywhere in between that, right, yeah, 997 00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,840 Speaker 1: where it's like she is set up in this huge 998 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,680 Speaker 1: way where you hope that you're going to get some 999 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,320 Speaker 1: sort of b plot with her that is not the 1000 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,280 Speaker 1: love story, but she doesn't get that. You know, most 1001 00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,479 Speaker 1: of the things that happened with her seemed to happen 1002 00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,240 Speaker 1: off screen. And then yeah, you get this big moment 1003 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,480 Speaker 1: at the end where she has to be rescued by bugs. 1004 00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:43,920 Speaker 1: That was the moment where I realized, I'm like, oh, 1005 00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,640 Speaker 1: the rules of gravity that apply to the Looney Tunes 1006 00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:51,160 Speaker 1: are not extended to her for some reason. And then 1007 00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,200 Speaker 1: she has to go over to Bugs and say, you're 1008 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,760 Speaker 1: the nicest guy I've ever met, and now I give 1009 00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,840 Speaker 1: you the kiss that you've earned by being squished, and 1010 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,439 Speaker 1: then she kisses him, and it's it's just like, yeah, 1011 01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,400 Speaker 1: she deserved a better landing point than that, because we 1012 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,920 Speaker 1: I do appreciate that at very least you get to 1013 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,920 Speaker 1: see her like be very skilled. She contributes a lot 1014 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,400 Speaker 1: to the game. She's like a big reason of why 1015 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,840 Speaker 1: they catch up. She's like the second best player in 1016 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:21,720 Speaker 1: the team after Michael Jordan's. Maybe she's even better than 1017 01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,160 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's, right, I mean she can do she could 1018 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,680 Speaker 1: jump much higher than him because she is a bunny. 1019 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,680 Speaker 1: But you're right, especially because we established it, like they 1020 01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,000 Speaker 1: don't hurt for a long time, so it's not as 1021 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,880 Speaker 1: if her getting squished would matter because she's gonna be 1022 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,760 Speaker 1: fine because she's a cartoon character. And like that's and 1023 01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,000 Speaker 1: that's the like, there's a lot of things that I 1024 01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:47,120 Speaker 1: don't really have issues with with Lola, but that is 1025 01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,240 Speaker 1: the that is literally the only thing that I hate 1026 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,960 Speaker 1: about how her characters can see is like, and even 1027 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,480 Speaker 1: the rescuing, I don't I wouldn't mind, because I don't 1028 01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,720 Speaker 1: think that being rescued one time inherently invalidates like a 1029 01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,080 Speaker 1: female character's agency. But it's like it's because there is 1030 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:06,120 Speaker 1: nothing else that shows that she has the same versatility 1031 01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:10,840 Speaker 1: of because they harmed the grandma, they harmed the grandma. Oh, 1032 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,320 Speaker 1: we have no issue harming older women. Yeah, And like 1033 01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,240 Speaker 1: you know, the which was in there that she would 1034 01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,000 Speaker 1: absolutely get her ask kick. But it's like Lola's like 1035 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,520 Speaker 1: the hottie, so she can't even like have like a 1036 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:25,480 Speaker 1: weird uh boob like clamp like Jessica Rabbit did in 1037 01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,160 Speaker 1: that one thing. It's like it's like nope. And even 1038 01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,080 Speaker 1: the way she's like introduced in the game small forwards 1039 01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,240 Speaker 1: standing at a scintillating three ft two like they're just 1040 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,160 Speaker 1: like a heart throb of the hoops. I like, I 1041 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,040 Speaker 1: want to give the movie credit and be like they're 1042 01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:44,280 Speaker 1: commenting on how commentators treat female athletes, but absolutely, there's 1043 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,200 Speaker 1: no way that's the truth. That's how people were commenting 1044 01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,960 Speaker 1: on female athletes at this time. And the same thing 1045 01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,880 Speaker 1: with her. I mean, granted iconic. Did I google Lola 1046 01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,760 Speaker 1: Bunny crop top just to see if they're so available 1047 01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:02,160 Speaker 1: in my area today? Yes, But her uniform is, let's say, 1048 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,360 Speaker 1: perhaps different from everyone else's, and like the reasons are 1049 01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,840 Speaker 1: and and it's it is like that thing where I'm like, 1050 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,720 Speaker 1: I love the uniform, I want it, but it's there 1051 01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:16,120 Speaker 1: for a very specific reason. I like a lot of 1052 01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,800 Speaker 1: like nineties female heroes that we were kind of brought 1053 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:25,160 Speaker 1: up with. There's some real, like good at the core, 1054 01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,200 Speaker 1: and then the way the plot treats this character is 1055 01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,080 Speaker 1: generally not fair. I don't blame like Lola Bunny for 1056 01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,400 Speaker 1: any way that she's treated. It's the characters around her 1057 01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,640 Speaker 1: and the way that the story treats her that is 1058 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,480 Speaker 1: my issue. And it's what I was looking up because 1059 01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,360 Speaker 1: this is I mean, I feel like, you know, creating 1060 01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:50,080 Speaker 1: a new Cannon Looney Tunes character is a huge opportunity. 1061 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,520 Speaker 1: They have existed since the nineteen thirties, Like this is 1062 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,880 Speaker 1: like over sixty years into a very you know the 1063 01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,120 Speaker 1: Looney Tunes have I mean, we can brush on it, 1064 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:03,720 Speaker 1: but a very sordid history. Uh. And and there's you know, 1065 01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,000 Speaker 1: there's like this famous these famous eleven racist Looney Tune 1066 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,080 Speaker 1: cartoons that have been buried. But then they were like, 1067 01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,560 Speaker 1: we're going to release it on DVD and then everyone 1068 01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:15,320 Speaker 1: was like, don't do that, and I said, okay, Uh, 1069 01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,320 Speaker 1: But the Looney Tunes have this whole like history going 1070 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,800 Speaker 1: back all this time, So introducing a new character is 1071 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,600 Speaker 1: a huge opportunity to make a statement and like do 1072 01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,960 Speaker 1: something new and different, and it doesn't really go that far, 1073 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:33,640 Speaker 1: especially when like the most recognizable and familiar Looney Tuns 1074 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,680 Speaker 1: characters are all male. H there aren't many female leaning 1075 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,160 Speaker 1: Tuns period, like I think. I think even with Tiny 1076 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,560 Speaker 1: Tunes when they had that show, they only had like 1077 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,280 Speaker 1: I think one or two female characters, and it was 1078 01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,560 Speaker 1: like a female elm or Flood type and then like 1079 01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,800 Speaker 1: another like proto Lola Bunny type. It goes back to 1080 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:56,200 Speaker 1: like those Anita Sarkisian videos from ten years ago, where 1081 01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,920 Speaker 1: it's like just making the MSS version of an existing 1082 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,360 Speaker 1: male character throw a bow on her head and now 1083 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:07,560 Speaker 1: she's now we have another character, and which was like, uh, 1084 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,640 Speaker 1: you know, Bugs Bunny's original girlfriend. At least Lola Bunny 1085 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,360 Speaker 1: is an original character. And then I did a little 1086 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,200 Speaker 1: bit of reason because I was like, what is Lola 1087 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,720 Speaker 1: done since Space Jam? This is a topic that I've 1088 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,920 Speaker 1: excited to get into because I have like I'm very so, 1089 01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,600 Speaker 1: I'm very new to this. I did not know a 1090 01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,360 Speaker 1: ton about the second iteration of Lola Bunny, but it 1091 01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:34,560 Speaker 1: is fascinating and very telling. Where So she is brought 1092 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:38,560 Speaker 1: back in in a big way for the Loony Tune Show. 1093 01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,600 Speaker 1: This time she's voiced by Kristen Wigg and her character 1094 01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:50,000 Speaker 1: is somehow stripped of agency significantly significant. Yeah, where I'll 1095 01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,120 Speaker 1: just read off her character description as opposed to her 1096 01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,880 Speaker 1: personality and space Jam. She has portrayed as a scatter brained, indecisive, 1097 01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,760 Speaker 1: gabby young rabbit who tends to obsess over bugs, whom 1098 01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,600 Speaker 1: she referred to as bun Bunny. She is very dedicated 1099 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,120 Speaker 1: to achieving goals, but oftentime tends to forget what she 1100 01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,400 Speaker 1: was doing. Like it's just she is portrayed as being 1101 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,280 Speaker 1: obsessed with bugs and he has no interest in her 1102 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,520 Speaker 1: and he tells her to go away all the time. 1103 01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,920 Speaker 1: It's like what, I can't even tell you how this 1104 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,720 Speaker 1: infuriated me because I would see male critics that hated 1105 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,640 Speaker 1: Lola Bunny and Space h and be like the Litte 1106 01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,840 Speaker 1: Tune Show fixed Lola. They finally made her Louie, and 1107 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,840 Speaker 1: so I went to go And this is why I 1108 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,600 Speaker 1: don't trust people who don't like Lola for like that 1109 01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,200 Speaker 1: our men sometimes, because I'm just like, I can't trust 1110 01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,480 Speaker 1: you because your opinions are whack. Because then I go 1111 01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,880 Speaker 1: to like wash the show, and I'm excide, I'm like, okay, Lola, 1112 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,360 Speaker 1: and then she's like obsessed with bugs Bunny, and so 1113 01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,440 Speaker 1: I was like, so was this the problem that you 1114 01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:43,960 Speaker 1: had with Lola that like she's the one who doesn't 1115 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,360 Speaker 1: really care about bugs until like he does something for 1116 01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,600 Speaker 1: her that should make her care, because you guys seem 1117 01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,920 Speaker 1: to be totally fine with her just being like completely 1118 01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,920 Speaker 1: obsessive with him and like, oh, well, now she's wacky. 1119 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,680 Speaker 1: I hated it, and I hated how I saw some 1120 01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:03,480 Speaker 1: people like finally because for me, in between that period, 1121 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,960 Speaker 1: there were these comics with Lola Bunny where she was 1122 01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,439 Speaker 1: like a pizza delivery girl, which is like really weird, 1123 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,320 Speaker 1: but I have one of them somewhere, and she got 1124 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:18,600 Speaker 1: to be basically like a mischievous like bunny. He was 1125 01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,760 Speaker 1: trying to trick people, like I think she delivered some 1126 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,960 Speaker 1: pizzas and they don't want to tip her, and she 1127 01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,960 Speaker 1: was like, oh, I want to torture you until you 1128 01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:30,040 Speaker 1: tip me. And I'm just like worker rights, yes, tipier 1129 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,800 Speaker 1: delivery person. But like I was like, okay, So when 1130 01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,960 Speaker 1: they bring back Lola, that's how she's gonna be. That 1131 01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,000 Speaker 1: she's gonna be like an actually demoded Yeah, she's gonna 1132 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,800 Speaker 1: be like a zany character that like is on the 1133 01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,040 Speaker 1: level of bugs. And then they just made her an 1134 01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:48,920 Speaker 1: obsessive girlfriend who like broke down bugs until he liked her. 1135 01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,680 Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's the kind of female that's usually 1136 01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,200 Speaker 1: like the opposite of the smurfet. There's always like the 1137 01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,680 Speaker 1: smurfet character that everyone wants to date, and then like 1138 01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:01,959 Speaker 1: the loser girl usually as pigtails that like really wants 1139 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,160 Speaker 1: to a league character and they're like, not you, childhood friend, 1140 01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:07,680 Speaker 1: I want the other one. And I was just like, 1141 01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,080 Speaker 1: this is not how you were vamp a character that 1142 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,920 Speaker 1: was kind of very male gazy. This is not the 1143 01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,560 Speaker 1: way to do it. It's it is, I mean, and 1144 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,360 Speaker 1: it speaks to a lot of I mean issues at large, 1145 01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,520 Speaker 1: but also specifically an animation where it is just it 1146 01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:27,400 Speaker 1: is still so siss had white male dominated in so 1147 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,880 Speaker 1: many ways that it and it has improved over time, 1148 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,160 Speaker 1: but the fact that like sixteen years after this movie 1149 01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,160 Speaker 1: came out, that this character could somehow be forced backwards 1150 01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,200 Speaker 1: speaks to how there has not been a ton of 1151 01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:46,320 Speaker 1: progress in the animation space of how like really any 1152 01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:51,040 Speaker 1: non siss Had white Meryl coded character is treated, and 1153 01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:54,480 Speaker 1: it has possibly slid backwards in a lot of ways. 1154 01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,120 Speaker 1: I was so disappointed to learn that I've never seen 1155 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,920 Speaker 1: that twelve Looney Tunes iteration. Well, I would argue that 1156 01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,080 Speaker 1: that evolution of her character that we see over the 1157 01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,560 Speaker 1: years is hinted at by the end of Space Jam. 1158 01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,920 Speaker 1: And again, this is not a critique of her character 1159 01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,160 Speaker 1: so much. It is, as it is a critique of 1160 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,880 Speaker 1: how the movie frames and treats her. But in the game, 1161 01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,960 Speaker 1: we don't see her play that much because there's you know, 1162 01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:23,960 Speaker 1: they have to give screen time to all the Looney 1163 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,320 Speaker 1: Tunes and see all the little things that they get into. 1164 01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,000 Speaker 1: But there will be a few cutaways to you know, 1165 01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,920 Speaker 1: her dribbling or making shots and stuff. And then there's 1166 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,080 Speaker 1: one moment in particular where one of the month stars 1167 01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,920 Speaker 1: is like, try to get by me, doll, and then 1168 01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,760 Speaker 1: she does get past him using her basketball skills, and 1169 01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,080 Speaker 1: she scores, and then she says, don't ever call me doll, 1170 01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,320 Speaker 1: which is the same exact thing that you know, bugs 1171 01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,920 Speaker 1: Bunny did to her, except she's about to fall in 1172 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,280 Speaker 1: love with him, because the next thing that happens is 1173 01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:55,440 Speaker 1: like the he saves her, and then she's so enamored 1174 01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,880 Speaker 1: by being rescued and she's like, that's the nicest thing 1175 01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,559 Speaker 1: that ever then anyone's ever done for me, she kisses him, 1176 01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:06,479 Speaker 1: and then a little bit later in the movie, he surprised, 1177 01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,679 Speaker 1: he surprised, kisses her, but she's all like, hubba, hubba, 1178 01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:16,120 Speaker 1: I'm your girlfriend now, yeah, I mean for me, that's 1179 01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:20,080 Speaker 1: like es feminism is just catchphrase. Feminism is just repeating 1180 01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,360 Speaker 1: an aphorism that sounds empowering but actually isn't and then 1181 01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,400 Speaker 1: going and then kissing the male lead and going to 1182 01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,280 Speaker 1: the next scene. Well right, but that like, even over 1183 01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:30,800 Speaker 1: the course of those few scenes, like it feels to 1184 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,960 Speaker 1: me like her character gets demoted because like again the 1185 01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:38,439 Speaker 1: focus shifts away from her basketball skills to being rescued 1186 01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,680 Speaker 1: by a male character kissing him. He's kissing her. The 1187 01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:47,800 Speaker 1: focus shifts to like their romance, and that's the last 1188 01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,360 Speaker 1: we see of her because even to do it, like 1189 01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,920 Speaker 1: my it is weird because I'm like, I also really 1190 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:54,800 Speaker 1: like them together, because because i feel like I'm just 1191 01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,720 Speaker 1: a child and I'm just like they're cute. But I 1192 01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,360 Speaker 1: do like the one part in between that is like 1193 01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:03,240 Speaker 1: after she liked dunks on the monster, guy Buzz comes 1194 01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,240 Speaker 1: up to her and it's like nice shot and they 1195 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,280 Speaker 1: high five, and I'm just like and I'm just like 1196 01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,400 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, and that is the moment where 1197 01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:16,799 Speaker 1: he respects women and then I waste But in between 1198 01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:18,800 Speaker 1: he was like, all right, I read bell hooks in 1199 01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:23,080 Speaker 1: between what happened, and I recognized that I respect you. 1200 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:30,200 Speaker 1: And it's like so funny. It is like it's it's 1201 01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:35,880 Speaker 1: so nineties in the way it addresses like progress of yeah, 1202 01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,760 Speaker 1: very bare minimum and very catchphrasy, and I think it 1203 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:44,320 Speaker 1: also says a lot and contextualizes Lola a lot when 1204 01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,240 Speaker 1: you're also considering that this movie is of commercial and 1205 01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,000 Speaker 1: not you know, necessary. I mean there it is very artful. 1206 01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,320 Speaker 1: It is there's a lot of amazing art involved, but 1207 01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,640 Speaker 1: it was you know, art wasn't the top priority in 1208 01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,400 Speaker 1: the production of this movie. It was it was marketing. 1209 01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,559 Speaker 1: And so I feel like it says a lot about 1210 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,519 Speaker 1: the marketing of this time too, in the way that 1211 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,160 Speaker 1: Lola is presented. Maybe if you're making an art house 1212 01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,960 Speaker 1: bugs bunny film, which god willing I would love to see, 1213 01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:16,960 Speaker 1: but like you know, Lola is created from character designed 1214 01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:21,559 Speaker 1: to character choices to every way she's presented is marketing, 1215 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,680 Speaker 1: and so this also speaks to like what needed to 1216 01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:29,800 Speaker 1: appear on merchandise to sell at this time, and you 1217 01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:36,240 Speaker 1: know it was titties, it was rabbitty. You know, they 1218 01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,680 Speaker 1: did the thing and it's weird because it's too. The 1219 01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,080 Speaker 1: other thing I think is interesting is that like I 1220 01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,240 Speaker 1: found that, like when I would talk to my female 1221 01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,800 Speaker 1: friends at that age group that loved Lola, they just 1222 01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,080 Speaker 1: they loved her because she was a girl and they 1223 01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,040 Speaker 1: liked seeing a girl and environment. And I like, as 1224 01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,879 Speaker 1: much as I totally agree about like we should absolutely 1225 01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,760 Speaker 1: critique girl power feminism because it was like marketed so 1226 01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,040 Speaker 1: have like I like how this feminism is now, it's 1227 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,760 Speaker 1: like it's just very easy. People will be like empowerment 1228 01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,040 Speaker 1: and it's like, yes, i'll give you money now. But 1229 01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,640 Speaker 1: I think what was always really telling for me, like 1230 01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:12,880 Speaker 1: even within that realm of critique, that the boys only 1231 01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,920 Speaker 1: ever saw her as sexual that I knew, and the 1232 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,320 Speaker 1: girls were like, I like having a cool girl that 1233 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,320 Speaker 1: plays basketball in this movie and her being hot was 1234 01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,880 Speaker 1: just kind of like, oh, well, female characters are supposed 1235 01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:27,080 Speaker 1: to be hot in animation. And I think it's kind 1236 01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,879 Speaker 1: of that Cash twenty two because now as an adult, 1237 01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,240 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here like I really like this character. I 1238 01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:37,360 Speaker 1: wish she hadn't been Michaeladin Transformers, where like she's clearly 1239 01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:39,800 Speaker 1: supposed to be empowered, and I don't even like, and 1240 01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,880 Speaker 1: I always say this as a black feminist, I don't 1241 01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:47,479 Speaker 1: care that she's a love interest of bugs or that 1242 01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,760 Speaker 1: like that's part of her character, because it's like, you know, 1243 01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,320 Speaker 1: Daisy is a Daisy is also a feminist queen, and 1244 01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,439 Speaker 1: she's often with Daffy. But I think that it's the 1245 01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:02,439 Speaker 1: fact that they clearly were are afraid to go all 1246 01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:06,160 Speaker 1: out with her character. They were clearly afraid to like 1247 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,800 Speaker 1: make her be ugly, and they also didn't want to 1248 01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,919 Speaker 1: give her too much screen time because she's also hashtag 1249 01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:14,800 Speaker 1: like new kid on the block. So it's like you 1250 01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,600 Speaker 1: don't want to take away too much attention from like 1251 01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,320 Speaker 1: the true star of this movie, Daffy Duck, who is 1252 01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:24,360 Speaker 1: who remains unmatched. He has the best bars um. But 1253 01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:26,639 Speaker 1: it's like it puts it puts us in a place 1254 01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:30,280 Speaker 1: where like we have two extra critique things that were 1255 01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:34,040 Speaker 1: always supposed to be for us, but we're like made 1256 01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,280 Speaker 1: by a committee of like men, like what do what 1257 01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,480 Speaker 1: do girls want? And how can we just make boys tolerated? 1258 01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,160 Speaker 1: And then you get Lola Money, a super competent female 1259 01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,920 Speaker 1: athlete who also can be like a love interest. But 1260 01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:48,759 Speaker 1: I think is also an interesting thing in the context 1261 01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:52,400 Speaker 1: of like female sports, because female athletes are so hyper 1262 01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:56,360 Speaker 1: masculinized in real life compared to like Lolo, who is 1263 01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,920 Speaker 1: like hyper sexualized, and it's it's weird, it's not anything, 1264 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,280 Speaker 1: but it's just interesting for me to see. But then 1265 01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:03,760 Speaker 1: you still have to make sure that we have a 1266 01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,360 Speaker 1: slow wet of her going like to the side so 1267 01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,960 Speaker 1: that you can see that she's got like bunny titties 1268 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,320 Speaker 1: and like bunny and which cat facts is about to 1269 01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:17,760 Speaker 1: pay off. Finally, after all these years, if we la 1270 01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:21,759 Speaker 1: Bunny was animated to be and designed to be anatomically correct, 1271 01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:27,880 Speaker 1: she would have six ten titties. That crop top would 1272 01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:31,559 Speaker 1: have been lit. That would have been thrilling if they 1273 01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:37,040 Speaker 1: were like we have this ten titty rabbit entering and 1274 01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,760 Speaker 1: she's amazing at basketball. I mean, can you imagine how 1275 01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,040 Speaker 1: like how thrilling it would have been to be like 1276 01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,560 Speaker 1: this rabbit is not just a gifted basketball player, she 1277 01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:51,120 Speaker 1: has ten rabbit titties, like she what can't she do? 1278 01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:58,680 Speaker 1: I Well, here's some some thoughts from Space Jam animation 1279 01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:04,480 Speaker 1: director Tony her Phone said that Lolo was intended originally 1280 01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:08,479 Speaker 1: to be more of a tomboy, but the production team 1281 01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:12,080 Speaker 1: feared that she would appear to masculine, so the animators 1282 01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,960 Speaker 1: emphasized her feminine attributes. Quote unquote, I think we're in 1283 01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,759 Speaker 1: that quote. The use of the word tomboy is very loaded. 1284 01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,680 Speaker 1: I feel like when men in the nineties use the 1285 01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:27,120 Speaker 1: word tomboy, it the definition is a little skewed and 1286 01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,960 Speaker 1: there's like a little bit of subtext to it, and 1287 01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,560 Speaker 1: it has more to do with like, by tomboy, we 1288 01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:38,439 Speaker 1: mean not sexualized, like as opposed to the actual like 1289 01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:43,280 Speaker 1: use of the word in the ninety nineties. They're like, 1290 01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,519 Speaker 1: she would have looked like Tatum O'Neil instead of like, 1291 01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,439 Speaker 1: you know, kimpossible. They were like, yeah, we're gonna give 1292 01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:51,560 Speaker 1: her like a baseball cap that goes backwards. You know, 1293 01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:53,640 Speaker 1: she's going to have like a little like a like 1294 01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,960 Speaker 1: a like a band aid across her eye, just like 1295 01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:02,439 Speaker 1: the ham hardcore and then going at that. We we've 1296 01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,080 Speaker 1: talked about it a little bit, but just it is 1297 01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:10,120 Speaker 1: kind of frustrating where it seems like the nineties treatment 1298 01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:15,160 Speaker 1: on Bugs Bunny is also frustrating to me because bugs 1299 01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:19,680 Speaker 1: Bunny is I think kind of was, in retrospect considered 1300 01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,760 Speaker 1: to be at certain points pretty like progressive character in 1301 01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,840 Speaker 1: terms of like a cartoon character that played around with 1302 01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:31,519 Speaker 1: gender quite a bit and was not disempowered for playing 1303 01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,800 Speaker 1: around with gender, And so there was like there's a 1304 01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:37,160 Speaker 1: number of classic Bugs Bunny cartoons where he's in drag 1305 01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,760 Speaker 1: and he's basically a very empowered character in drag. He 1306 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:42,640 Speaker 1: is not the butt of a joke. He is like 1307 01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:46,560 Speaker 1: using it like just because and he looks hot and 1308 01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,120 Speaker 1: it's exciting, and there's like that whole Waynes World quote 1309 01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,760 Speaker 1: of like were you ever like titilated? But like what 1310 01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:56,880 Speaker 1: is the what is the quote? I think it's did 1311 01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,439 Speaker 1: you find Bugs Bunny attractive? When he put on a 1312 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,320 Speaker 1: dress and played a girl bunny? Like it was iconic 1313 01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,160 Speaker 1: that this character played around with gender. It even gets 1314 01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:09,679 Speaker 1: mentioned in um the documentary disclosure about like how trans 1315 01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,639 Speaker 1: people saw that representation on screen and to some degree 1316 01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,760 Speaker 1: and in some cases like felt empowered by that. And 1317 01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:21,760 Speaker 1: so for the like relaunch a Bugs Bunny to be 1318 01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:27,680 Speaker 1: the opposite of that and to be so intensely heterosexual 1319 01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:32,400 Speaker 1: coded to the point where he like is like kind 1320 01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:36,479 Speaker 1: of selling that character out in a kind of bummer 1321 01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,960 Speaker 1: way where it's like there's already so much established cannon 1322 01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,639 Speaker 1: that this is like a gender nonconforming character. And then 1323 01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,519 Speaker 1: they again kind of like rolled that back, much like 1324 01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:50,320 Speaker 1: they did with Lola Bunny later on, like it would 1325 01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:51,800 Speaker 1: have been so much fun if they had done like 1326 01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,439 Speaker 1: a Jesse James thing from Pokemon, and like, I know, 1327 01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,760 Speaker 1: that's like another new lay tune show where Lola is 1328 01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:02,320 Speaker 1: more like Bugs in terms that she's more of a 1329 01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,200 Speaker 1: mischievous character than like boy crazy. Look. Yeah, so I'm 1330 01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:06,960 Speaker 1: gonna go watch that later. And it's like the same 1331 01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,880 Speaker 1: voice actress from is that like the HBO Max like 1332 01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,800 Speaker 1: the New Ones? I think, so it looks that's what 1333 01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:16,120 Speaker 1: it looks like. Or let me, I have little Wikipedia's 1334 01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:17,479 Speaker 1: in front of me, so I don't know what I'm like, 1335 01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,479 Speaker 1: I don't know it came out. Oh yeah, it came 1336 01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:24,559 Speaker 1: out from like UM twenty. I'd never heard of it. Um. 1337 01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:28,120 Speaker 1: But apparently she's a lot more like she has more 1338 01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,400 Speaker 1: tune qualities and she's more designed to be like she's 1339 01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:33,920 Speaker 1: more boxing and design, so she looks more like a 1340 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:37,240 Speaker 1: tune UM, but she's got more of the autonomy and 1341 01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:41,280 Speaker 1: agency she had from space jam does she have ten titties? Though? 1342 01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:43,880 Speaker 1: She didn't have ten titties though, but they all But 1343 01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:46,640 Speaker 1: it was funny because I was like, when I was 1344 01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,280 Speaker 1: watching it, I was thinking, this is the first time 1345 01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:53,760 Speaker 1: I've ever seen Bugs and Daffy were pants, Like they're 1346 01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,720 Speaker 1: just out to the out and about um, but this 1347 01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,920 Speaker 1: time they had to wear pants. But I would love 1348 01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,439 Speaker 1: them to have Lolo play with gender too, Like it'd 1349 01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:03,800 Speaker 1: be so cool if they went on on a date 1350 01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:08,120 Speaker 1: but both in drag Warner Brothers hire me, I'm giving 1351 01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:12,439 Speaker 1: you free ideas for space. But yeah, I I agree. 1352 01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:16,280 Speaker 1: And I think it's also I think the thing about 1353 01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,280 Speaker 1: bugs in that iteration what I've kind of noticed from 1354 01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,280 Speaker 1: what I think a lot of like sis men feel 1355 01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:25,200 Speaker 1: about bugs that they like that he's like he's like 1356 01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,320 Speaker 1: an ultimate male type, you know, like he's smart, he's 1357 01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:30,680 Speaker 1: clevering it a situation like and I think that a 1358 01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,400 Speaker 1: lot of people, a lot of dudes I saw, were like, 1359 01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,840 Speaker 1: there's no way that bugs would be like whipped by 1360 01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,479 Speaker 1: some girl. And I'm just like, I don't know why 1361 01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:43,800 Speaker 1: you care so much, dude, Like I mean, like I don't, 1362 01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,040 Speaker 1: I just it's so it's but I also agree it's 1363 01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,360 Speaker 1: weird that they like picked Bugs to be the one 1364 01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:53,240 Speaker 1: to have a girlfriend, when Daffy is thirsty every day 1365 01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,479 Speaker 1: and when that boy love to have a sip of water, 1366 01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:03,200 Speaker 1: Daffy was like canonically the horny ist, and so like, 1367 01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:10,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, bringing Daphne Duck more free material? Right, 1368 01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:14,280 Speaker 1: all this free material? Or just stop like girlifying existing 1369 01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,800 Speaker 1: male characters and create a female character for once. But 1370 01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:21,680 Speaker 1: that is sometimes too much to ask, and so I'll 1371 01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:26,080 Speaker 1: stop asking, We'll just start creating. There's also, I mean, 1372 01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:30,439 Speaker 1: there are It is very worth mentioning that there are 1373 01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:35,439 Speaker 1: several women appearing in the live action section of the 1374 01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:40,920 Speaker 1: Space Jam. Michael Jordan has a his wife played by 1375 01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:45,599 Speaker 1: Teresa Randall. He has a his mother, and he has 1376 01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,080 Speaker 1: his daughter. So they all appear, and do we meet 1377 01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,000 Speaker 1: his mother or we we meet someone's mother? I think, 1378 01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,440 Speaker 1: I think, I think that woman is like their housekeeper. 1379 01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,360 Speaker 1: I thought that she was assumed that she was his mother. 1380 01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:01,120 Speaker 1: Oh that's on me, Okay, I know she's the one 1381 01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,400 Speaker 1: who's like making dinner for them as they're getting home. Yeah, yeah, 1382 01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:07,040 Speaker 1: I also assume that was like a housekeeper. But I 1383 01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,679 Speaker 1: they don't specify. They don't make it clear. So that's yeah, 1384 01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,679 Speaker 1: I guess we just really don't get to look into 1385 01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,400 Speaker 1: what's going on there. But there are there are a 1386 01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:18,639 Speaker 1: few female characters that that are mostly at the beginning 1387 01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:20,920 Speaker 1: of the movie with Michael Jordan's and then they come 1388 01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,599 Speaker 1: they come back at the end. I mean, I wish 1389 01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,600 Speaker 1: that they had gotten more screen time. They're based on 1390 01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:30,160 Speaker 1: obviously like Michael Jordan's real family, uh and and people 1391 01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,360 Speaker 1: in his life, but they're not given much to do 1392 01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:35,599 Speaker 1: in this case too much to another thing that's too 1393 01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:40,120 Speaker 1: much to us, because Michael Jordan's dragged to hell. Right. Um. 1394 01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,560 Speaker 1: There's also that scene where after the NBA players have 1395 01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:47,639 Speaker 1: lost their talent, they are being sort of like medically 1396 01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:52,240 Speaker 1: and psychologically evaluated. Um. And there's a scene where Charles 1397 01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,840 Speaker 1: Barkley goes to play basketball with a bunch of women 1398 01:21:56,479 --> 01:22:01,000 Speaker 1: and um because and he plays against them and he 1399 01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:04,200 Speaker 1: doesn't have his talent anymore, so he can't play. They 1400 01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:06,599 Speaker 1: like embarrass him on the court, that kind of thing. 1401 01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,400 Speaker 1: And later when he's talking to it, right, I like it. 1402 01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:15,880 Speaker 1: But then when he's talking to like a psychologist later 1403 01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,400 Speaker 1: he says something like and then this girl five foot, 1404 01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:22,400 Speaker 1: nothing blocked my shot. And the whole implication that scene 1405 01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:26,639 Speaker 1: was even a bunch of girls could beat Charles Barkley. 1406 01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,639 Speaker 1: So it's still it's sexist, is what is happening there? 1407 01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:32,840 Speaker 1: I agree, I mean I was, I guess reading that 1408 01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,160 Speaker 1: scene a little generously of him saying like, I'm one 1409 01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,200 Speaker 1: of the best basketball players in the world. Why did 1410 01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:39,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of twelve year old beat me? But I 1411 01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,720 Speaker 1: do agree that there is like a gendered element to 1412 01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,360 Speaker 1: it as well. It is very satisfying to see them 1413 01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,320 Speaker 1: beat him at basketball, and I think it's I think 1414 01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:49,200 Speaker 1: I thought about that the same way you did, Jamie, 1415 01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:53,920 Speaker 1: because they show they show them being very vigorous players 1416 01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,360 Speaker 1: and like a little bit that you see before Charles Barkley, 1417 01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:58,360 Speaker 1: like when he's watching them, they're like really like going 1418 01:22:58,439 --> 01:22:59,800 Speaker 1: at it, and I'm like, oh, so these are like 1419 01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,560 Speaker 1: good street ballers, you know. And I definitely thought he 1420 01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:07,240 Speaker 1: was just like she's so tiny, She's so small, Like 1421 01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:11,240 Speaker 1: it's I understand. And then the psychologist is talking to 1422 01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:14,679 Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing and he's like, are you having trouble performing 1423 01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,599 Speaker 1: anywhere else in your life? Basically like does your dick 1424 01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,360 Speaker 1: still work? And which is like I'm like, it's like 1425 01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:25,360 Speaker 1: the psychiatrist relaxed. But then also Patrick Ewing was like, um, yes, 1426 01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:31,120 Speaker 1: my dick works. It's like no, yeah, that's a very 1427 01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:33,800 Speaker 1: different movie. And he's like, I would actually like to 1428 01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:38,920 Speaker 1: talk to a doctor about that. Thank you. Like, And 1429 01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,120 Speaker 1: there's a part where Charles Barkley he's praying. He's like, 1430 01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,000 Speaker 1: I'll never sleep with Madonna. I'll never go out with 1431 01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:48,519 Speaker 1: Madonna again, and which is how I learned that that 1432 01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:53,560 Speaker 1: even happened. I was like what, And Moby's like, Muggsy's like, 1433 01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:55,600 Speaker 1: you think I'm trying to dispect my mama And he's like, 1434 01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,479 Speaker 1: I didn't say that, you did. He's like, but I 1435 01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:03,720 Speaker 1: love my mama. It's such a weird sequence. Like the 1436 01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,800 Speaker 1: sports side is very I mean in in the real 1437 01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:10,920 Speaker 1: and the animated world, the sports world is hyper masculine 1438 01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:14,680 Speaker 1: and and and like not very attempting to question that. 1439 01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:16,760 Speaker 1: And I feel like it's very of its time in 1440 01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:20,320 Speaker 1: that way, where like the masculinity of professional sports is 1441 01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:24,679 Speaker 1: not really called into question in any way. Besides Lola 1442 01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:30,479 Speaker 1: Bunny in this movie, which I was not extremely surprised by. 1443 01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,840 Speaker 1: I honestly wasn't like me because it's seen it, and 1444 01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:37,479 Speaker 1: also because it's I wasn't expecting this movie to uh 1445 01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:42,120 Speaker 1: challenge that very much, especially because it's a movie that 1446 01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,760 Speaker 1: is like starring Michael Jordan, who was like so of 1447 01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:50,640 Speaker 1: this like hyper masculine, hyper disciplined sports moment and so 1448 01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:57,519 Speaker 1: well that brings me to talking about the monsters, and 1449 01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,479 Speaker 1: there is like a masculinity component to it. But I 1450 01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,880 Speaker 1: also can't help but feel and and Princess tell me 1451 01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:09,320 Speaker 1: your thoughts on this. But the monsters are coded black, right, 1452 01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:15,160 Speaker 1: they definitely get more like stereotypical urban aesthetics and like 1453 01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:18,280 Speaker 1: how their mouths are designed, like they get the kind 1454 01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,439 Speaker 1: of like, um, I always call them the like minstrel 1455 01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,679 Speaker 1: outline of when you like hyper like line the lips 1456 01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,240 Speaker 1: to make them look darker, and like some of them 1457 01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:31,479 Speaker 1: start using kind of a a V like language, except 1458 01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,439 Speaker 1: for the one that stole the talent from a white guy, 1459 01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:39,000 Speaker 1: who just becomes like adobe white dude, um, like the 1460 01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,800 Speaker 1: Charles Barkley one. Like they all like you heard the 1461 01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,880 Speaker 1: Dream Team where the Mean Team was like like who 1462 01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:49,280 Speaker 1: you guys didn't sound like that before you have this talent? Yeah, 1463 01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:53,240 Speaker 1: So they definitely urbanized them because I think that they 1464 01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:58,760 Speaker 1: like the audience can like understand the codification of that 1465 01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,680 Speaker 1: of like, now they're dangerous because before they were like 1466 01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:07,080 Speaker 1: nebbish and tiny, but now they're like big urban street ballers. 1467 01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,040 Speaker 1: So now we've got to be afraid. And I also 1468 01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:11,320 Speaker 1: become kind of hot not gonna like that green one. 1469 01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,920 Speaker 1: I was like, he's kind of cute and that's my favorite. 1470 01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:16,360 Speaker 1: And I was like, that's a good shade of green 1471 01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:18,040 Speaker 1: on him. I was like, I was in for it, 1472 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,960 Speaker 1: but I'm trash, so which it is. I mean, like 1473 01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:26,360 Speaker 1: and and this is because we're talking about space jam primarily, 1474 01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,479 Speaker 1: like I won't get too into this, but given the 1475 01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:33,160 Speaker 1: history of Looney Tunes and race, I mean, it goes 1476 01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:37,320 Speaker 1: back to the early nineteen thirties, so for our listeners, 1477 01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:39,080 Speaker 1: feel free to look it up and and do the 1478 01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:41,880 Speaker 1: math on how they've treated. But there's been a number 1479 01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:46,920 Speaker 1: of deeply racist Looney Tunes cartoons that have been buried, 1480 01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:51,439 Speaker 1: and so for you know, just seeing the evolution there 1481 01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:55,000 Speaker 1: in character design and then seeing that early Looney Tunes 1482 01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:58,559 Speaker 1: animators like Chuck Jones, who I get is like, oh, 1483 01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:01,120 Speaker 1: I guess along with tech savery like the iconic Looney 1484 01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:04,200 Speaker 1: Tunes guy hated Space Jam and how a lot of 1485 01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:09,280 Speaker 1: issues with it. It speaks to the I guess, I 1486 01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:12,960 Speaker 1: guess just like the slow update of a franchise, and 1487 01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:17,320 Speaker 1: like calls into question, is it possible to effectively update 1488 01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,439 Speaker 1: a franchise that was started so long ago? And like 1489 01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:24,920 Speaker 1: what are the I guess stumbling blocks in attempting to 1490 01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:26,640 Speaker 1: do that? And I feel like some of those are 1491 01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:30,320 Speaker 1: kind of really pushed against in in Space Jam. And 1492 01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,760 Speaker 1: it's also interesting because like as you kind of touch 1493 01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:35,840 Speaker 1: on like lue Tune's design, just like making Mouse is 1494 01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,800 Speaker 1: like rooted in minstrelsy. So you basically have these two 1495 01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:42,639 Speaker 1: kind of like two kinds of black codifications combating each other, 1496 01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:47,439 Speaker 1: featuring like the biggest black athlete at the time featuring 1497 01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,240 Speaker 1: in it. And it's this weird hodgepodge of like how 1498 01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,400 Speaker 1: at that time, at that time, like in the nineties 1499 01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,320 Speaker 1: kind of like the pinnacle of like black urban cool 1500 01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:01,519 Speaker 1: really being elevated in like mainstream pop culture, which is 1501 01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:05,200 Speaker 1: why I think those choices were made. And like why 1502 01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:09,160 Speaker 1: Bugs Bunny himself is so popular in so many different 1503 01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:13,480 Speaker 1: like places, is because he also can adapt that coolness 1504 01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,559 Speaker 1: because like Mickey Mouse was never cool, but like Bugs 1505 01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:20,800 Speaker 1: Bunny very much has. Yeah, but Bugs always had like 1506 01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,880 Speaker 1: a swagger about him, and I feel that that comes 1507 01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:28,920 Speaker 1: from them very much emulating the popular culture and vibe 1508 01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,679 Speaker 1: of an era, and that usually is a black vibe, 1509 01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:34,519 Speaker 1: you know, and even like even with the drag culture, 1510 01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:36,600 Speaker 1: like you know, a lot of that comes from like 1511 01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:40,560 Speaker 1: black queer environments and like so I think even in 1512 01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,439 Speaker 1: Space Jam they can't help but like, all right, well 1513 01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:45,400 Speaker 1: they're not going to be scary if they're not a 1514 01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:51,439 Speaker 1: little bit black coated. Yeah, ke Um, I wanted to 1515 01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:57,080 Speaker 1: bring up um. Wayne Knight's character is constantly fat shamed. 1516 01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:00,400 Speaker 1: Basically every moment that he's on screen, He's is made 1517 01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:06,160 Speaker 1: to seem just like this bumbling, smelly, clumsy like Douf 1518 01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,760 Speaker 1: the giant fart joke is like, even as a kid, 1519 01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:11,800 Speaker 1: I find it uncomfortable. I was like, this is weird 1520 01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,920 Speaker 1: and this is even like a little like I mean, 1521 01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,000 Speaker 1: this is a little bit as side comment, but the 1522 01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:22,800 Speaker 1: fact that even somehow Wayne Knight is subject to the 1523 01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:26,719 Speaker 1: same gravity laws is cartoons and still Litla Bunny isn't 1524 01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:29,920 Speaker 1: is very straight Like he could be squished, Yeah, he 1525 01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,439 Speaker 1: could be squished, but Lola Bunny can't be squished, Michael 1526 01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:35,599 Speaker 1: Jordan gets turned into a basketball and bounced around by 1527 01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:41,639 Speaker 1: the monstars, but Lola Bunny can't. Like she's just too 1528 01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,479 Speaker 1: delicate and too feminine to have any sort of cartoon 1529 01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,080 Speaker 1: I'm not that I'm advocating for like violence to be 1530 01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:50,240 Speaker 1: done against her, but like that's the whole thing about 1531 01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:54,400 Speaker 1: Looney Tunes. It's cartoon violence and get physics is inherent 1532 01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,760 Speaker 1: to Looney Tunes. And they don't feature any women, right, 1533 01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:59,519 Speaker 1: And it's like she's an athlete, like she would be 1534 01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:01,639 Speaker 1: used to getting hurt, and i mean, like again, it's 1535 01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:04,559 Speaker 1: like it's like they have get it, you know, they 1536 01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:05,920 Speaker 1: have for like we need to have a care at 1537 01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:08,320 Speaker 1: female cattery that does the thing. But then they forget 1538 01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:12,600 Speaker 1: like female characters trained, they get hurt, they get more injuries. 1539 01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,400 Speaker 1: Like Lola Bunny was a cheerleader, she would have gotten more, 1540 01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:18,719 Speaker 1: you know, injuries than any of these basketball players because 1541 01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:20,560 Speaker 1: chilian is the most dangerous sport around. And it's like 1542 01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:24,840 Speaker 1: it's it's like it's so frustrating because like and you're 1543 01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:27,400 Speaker 1: totally right about way Night, which is weird because it's 1544 01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:30,479 Speaker 1: like Elmer Fudd is not skinny, Like there's so many 1545 01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:34,360 Speaker 1: like fat characters and like differently kind of big is 1546 01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:37,000 Speaker 1: right there. He even coming into the defense, he's just 1547 01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:42,760 Speaker 1: like doing like you know, I'm just like dishonor. And 1548 01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,519 Speaker 1: then I wanted to bring up something that you discussed, 1549 01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,759 Speaker 1: Princess in a Merry suit piece that you wrote about 1550 01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:53,600 Speaker 1: Space jam merch Care to talk about that? Yeah, So, 1551 01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,400 Speaker 1: like I tend to only want to bude space jam 1552 01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:59,880 Speaker 1: merchandise with low La on it, and so frequently she's 1553 01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:04,280 Speaker 1: left out or she's like pictured not in costume, or 1554 01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:07,200 Speaker 1: like she's like I remember like Forever twenty one was 1555 01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,479 Speaker 1: having like a huge Space Jam culcution. I was like, yes, 1556 01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:12,360 Speaker 1: I'm about to just have like you know, number ten 1557 01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,439 Speaker 1: Lola Buddy crop tops all day. I was like, that 1558 01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:17,960 Speaker 1: would be obvious to have for a site that is 1559 01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:22,080 Speaker 1: mostly frequented by women and from folk and other people 1560 01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:26,040 Speaker 1: who are from presenting, And yet everything was like Taz 1561 01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:29,439 Speaker 1: Daffy Bugs, Michael Jordan's and I'm like, but the second 1562 01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:33,400 Speaker 1: best player on the tum squad is Lola Bunny. So weird, 1563 01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:35,680 Speaker 1: there's so little merged to the point where like I 1564 01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,080 Speaker 1: was looking at this up merchandise that features her from 1565 01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:42,120 Speaker 1: this era is like worth a lot of money because 1566 01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:44,080 Speaker 1: they didn't make a lot of it, and those that 1567 01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:49,679 Speaker 1: did became very you know, valued by certain types, myself included. 1568 01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:52,479 Speaker 1: And like, there isn't a lot of merch of her 1569 01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:56,080 Speaker 1: from like that era where she's like in her outfit, 1570 01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,880 Speaker 1: and even now if you try to find like Lola 1571 01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:04,439 Speaker 1: Bunny like pins or anything like that, they're all very 1572 01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:08,360 Speaker 1: hyper sexualized and you really can't find anything. It's really 1573 01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:12,800 Speaker 1: upsetting because I do genuinely love that character. I don't think. 1574 01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,080 Speaker 1: I went to like some fan con and I had 1575 01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:17,400 Speaker 1: someone draw like a little bit of fan art of her, 1576 01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:18,800 Speaker 1: because I'm like, I want to be able to own 1577 01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:23,439 Speaker 1: one piece of non sexy Lola Bunny fan art in 1578 01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:27,080 Speaker 1: my lifetime. Um, But yeah, she doesn't get a lot 1579 01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:30,400 Speaker 1: of merchandise. And even when even when she was in 1580 01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:34,000 Speaker 1: other things like Baby Looney Tunes or Lunatics Unleaked, which 1581 01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:38,360 Speaker 1: was like this weird futuristic show that featured like Lexi Bunny, 1582 01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:41,479 Speaker 1: who was like the future version of Lola, there wasn't 1583 01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:45,280 Speaker 1: a lot of merch for her there either, because just traditionally, 1584 01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:47,640 Speaker 1: people don't make out of merch for girls when it 1585 01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:51,200 Speaker 1: comes to those kind of toys and when you know, well, 1586 01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:54,720 Speaker 1: only boys play with toys, didn't you know exactly? And 1587 01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:57,920 Speaker 1: so like it doesn't surprisely, but it upsets me deeply 1588 01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:00,320 Speaker 1: because I just really it was just like a really 1589 01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:03,920 Speaker 1: frustrating double edged sword too, because we like it is 1590 01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:08,720 Speaker 1: pretty clear that Lola Bunny was created to be merchandized, 1591 01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,360 Speaker 1: and then for her to not be merchandise when she 1592 01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,479 Speaker 1: was created to be merchandises, like, well, then why are 1593 01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:18,120 Speaker 1: we doing this? Like if you're not going to merchandise her, 1594 01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:22,679 Speaker 1: then why we're all those very specific decisions made. It's 1595 01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:26,920 Speaker 1: just like it's very confusing that and like the picture 1596 01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:30,639 Speaker 1: that you presented in the piece that you wrote had 1597 01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,360 Speaker 1: it was like a glass, like a drinking glass that 1598 01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:36,759 Speaker 1: had Lola Bunny off to the side in like plain clothes, 1599 01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:40,439 Speaker 1: not in her uniform, even though she's the only Looney 1600 01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,960 Speaker 1: Tune who's any good at basketball, Like, why would she 1601 01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:48,000 Speaker 1: not be in uniform like front and center. It reminds 1602 01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:50,600 Speaker 1: me of like when you get like Mulan merchandise and 1603 01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:53,040 Speaker 1: she's never in her warrior outfit? Would she wears the 1604 01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:55,639 Speaker 1: majority of the movie? Why do I have a long 1605 01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:58,400 Speaker 1: haired Mulan doll. That's not what she looks like like 1606 01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:03,160 Speaker 1: it's it's it's absurd And I don't even know why 1607 01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:06,040 Speaker 1: they put her in that outfit because that's not an 1608 01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:10,400 Speaker 1: iconic outfit her. You in aform is the iconic outfit 1609 01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:13,160 Speaker 1: that she wears that Jamie herself even had to try 1610 01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:15,439 Speaker 1: and like, where is it? I would wear it in 1611 01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,439 Speaker 1: the house like it's a it's a look, and yet 1612 01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:22,920 Speaker 1: they don't market that at all. Mm hmm. It's yeah, 1613 01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:27,000 Speaker 1: it's so frustrated. Its like even today, when I went 1614 01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:31,000 Speaker 1: on Etty and searched a little Bunny, I hesitate to 1615 01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:33,560 Speaker 1: share with you the results I found because it was 1616 01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:38,639 Speaker 1: mostly uh T shirts of yeah, a bugs bunny having 1617 01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,880 Speaker 1: sex with a little bunny on a shirt, which was 1618 01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:44,760 Speaker 1: not what I wanted. I was hoping more for just 1619 01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:48,280 Speaker 1: a shirt, just a regular shirt with no sex happening 1620 01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:51,760 Speaker 1: on it. Harder to find than you would think. Uh 1621 01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,679 Speaker 1: so there's that. I lost that gud A little bit earlier, 1622 01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,360 Speaker 1: I was when we were talking about Looney Tunes history. 1623 01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,880 Speaker 1: I also wanted to quickly bring up a character who's 1624 01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:05,519 Speaker 1: very majorly sidelined in this era of Looney Tunes and 1625 01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,760 Speaker 1: has been off and on sidelines and regarded in a 1626 01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:13,200 Speaker 1: number of ways, and that is Speedy Gonzalez is on 1627 01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:16,439 Speaker 1: the team at different points. I don't know if you 1628 01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,360 Speaker 1: ever really get to hear him speak at length at 1629 01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:22,400 Speaker 1: all in this movie. But that's like another example of 1630 01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:29,360 Speaker 1: Looney Tunes character who is built on racist stereotypes, who's like, 1631 01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:32,880 Speaker 1: I guess whose significance has been kind of argued back 1632 01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:36,040 Speaker 1: and forth over the years, because Speedy Gonzalez is a 1633 01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:39,519 Speaker 1: character who has been reclaimed in many ways but also um, 1634 01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,400 Speaker 1: you know, criticized rightfully so in many ways, to the 1635 01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:46,400 Speaker 1: point where there was a feature film starring Speedy Gonzalez 1636 01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:52,280 Speaker 1: in production as recently. And it's just with a franchise 1637 01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:56,760 Speaker 1: that goes back this far, the process of claiming and 1638 01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,920 Speaker 1: disclaiming a character goes back so much. And in the nineties, 1639 01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,240 Speaker 1: is at this point speak Gonzalez? I think that they 1640 01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:05,840 Speaker 1: were the franchise didn't know how to handle him or 1641 01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:07,280 Speaker 1: what to do with him, so they were like, well, 1642 01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:10,599 Speaker 1: he's here, but he's not speaking, so is that okay? 1643 01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:14,519 Speaker 1: Like it's just such a bizarre moment for this franchise 1644 01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:18,559 Speaker 1: in with the changes they choose to make and then 1645 01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:22,639 Speaker 1: the things that are left over from fifty years ago 1646 01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:24,840 Speaker 1: that they don't quite know what to do with, and 1647 01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:28,960 Speaker 1: so they just sort of do nothing. Meanwhile, like the 1648 01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,960 Speaker 1: like the date Raby Peppy Lap, you can still have 1649 01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:40,040 Speaker 1: like two speaking it's like canceled Peppe. Canceled Peppe, Like 1650 01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:44,360 Speaker 1: so why why? Yeah, the fact that he got a 1651 01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:46,840 Speaker 1: line right after the Lola Bunny scene, You're just like 1652 01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:51,679 Speaker 1: this is unjust rights, Like this is gross. I don't, yeah, 1653 01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:54,080 Speaker 1: I don't. I hate him so much. It's just like 1654 01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:58,479 Speaker 1: he's such an annoying character. Funny thing I heard is 1655 01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:02,920 Speaker 1: that in France his dub voice is in Italian. Oh 1656 01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:10,400 Speaker 1: that's funny. That's so funny. Shame They're like, we do 1657 01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:14,600 Speaker 1: not claim Peppe. Yeah, he's not ours. We will not 1658 01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:19,080 Speaker 1: stand for this slander. I love it, but I will 1659 01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:23,400 Speaker 1: say after watching Knives Out Foghorn Leghorn, his voice was 1660 01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:25,960 Speaker 1: so funny to be because all I could hear was 1661 01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:32,120 Speaker 1: like Chris Evan's going like what is this c S 1662 01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:40,920 Speaker 1: I KFC and I oh, good time. Parkhorn Leghorn, who. 1663 01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:43,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever mentioned this on the 1664 01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:46,519 Speaker 1: pod before, Probably we've it's existed long enough. But my 1665 01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:50,439 Speaker 1: high school my first boyfriend ever. We broke up. He 1666 01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:53,840 Speaker 1: broke up with me for the saxophone, and then years 1667 01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:57,679 Speaker 1: later I saw him again and he was exactly the same, 1668 01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:01,200 Speaker 1: but the one difference was that he had bicep tattoo 1669 01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:05,439 Speaker 1: of foghorn leghorn, and that was the one different thing 1670 01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:09,680 Speaker 1: about him, and that I have no update on him 1671 01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:14,120 Speaker 1: since then. He got a fog horn leg horn tattoo. Um, 1672 01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:17,560 Speaker 1: So you know, I guess still culturally relevant in the 1673 01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:22,559 Speaker 1: last ten years. It was such a huge tattoo. I'll 1674 01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:24,920 Speaker 1: never get over the shock of being like, oh, no, 1675 01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:32,439 Speaker 1: one's expecting a full bicep the end. That's bonkers incredible. Well, 1676 01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:34,400 Speaker 1: it sounds like a dodge a bullet by getting broken 1677 01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:36,840 Speaker 1: up with. I was gonna say this, like, you don't 1678 01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:39,800 Speaker 1: need that. I don't know. I didn't. It turns out 1679 01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:42,800 Speaker 1: I didn't need that in my life. Um, but there 1680 01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:45,160 Speaker 1: it is. Um. There's another Okay, we talked about this 1681 01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:50,599 Speaker 1: on our Who Friend Roger Rabbit episode that's on the Matreon. Um. 1682 01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,439 Speaker 1: But there's a moment and this is I feel like, 1683 01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:59,000 Speaker 1: very common in specifically movies that combine live action and 1684 01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:01,200 Speaker 1: animated stuff. But I think this is also just a 1685 01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:07,559 Speaker 1: general animated trope where a male character will kiss another 1686 01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:12,040 Speaker 1: male character and it's meant to be this like, ha ha, 1687 01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:15,000 Speaker 1: isn't isn't it so funny and wacky that I'm kissing you? 1688 01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:18,840 Speaker 1: But then the recipient of the kiss, while understandably is 1689 01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,519 Speaker 1: not happy and it should be because it is a 1690 01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:25,599 Speaker 1: surprise kiss that they did not consent to, is usually 1691 01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:29,640 Speaker 1: instead played as like a queer phobic like, oh no, 1692 01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,439 Speaker 1: I just got kissed by a man, But is it okay? 1693 01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:35,599 Speaker 1: Because it's a cartoon and it's just like this weird 1694 01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:41,160 Speaker 1: thing that happens in this movie when Bugs kisses Michael 1695 01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:44,400 Speaker 1: Jordan's upon like immediately upon seeing him because he's like 1696 01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:47,840 Speaker 1: if I wasn't real, could I do this? And then 1697 01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:51,360 Speaker 1: just lays lays one on him. He's like I don't know, 1698 01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:55,439 Speaker 1: and they're like, why why is this here? Yeah, it's weird. 1699 01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:57,360 Speaker 1: I got of who from Roger Rabbit as soon as 1700 01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:59,840 Speaker 1: I saw it again because I was just like, yeah, 1701 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,040 Speaker 1: they do that a lot, because even at the end 1702 01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:06,439 Speaker 1: when uh, I forget the male character's name, but when 1703 01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:08,840 Speaker 1: he kisses Roger back, it's supposed to be this moment 1704 01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:11,640 Speaker 1: of like Roger's like what just happened. Like it's like 1705 01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:14,559 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, that isn't fun. I shouldn't be surprised 1706 01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:18,960 Speaker 1: kissing people. Um, but yeah, it's just it's a very 1707 01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:23,120 Speaker 1: interesting thing that is so part of like that era 1708 01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,920 Speaker 1: and like so part of like what people didn't really 1709 01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:30,760 Speaker 1: understand about like that being a thing that you shouldn't do. 1710 01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:32,680 Speaker 1: And it's only ever framed as doing a thing that 1711 01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:35,519 Speaker 1: you shouldn't do when it's two men, you know, it's 1712 01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:37,840 Speaker 1: never ever like it was like the same sex thing. 1713 01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:40,240 Speaker 1: It's like surprise kiss like you know, or like it 1714 01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:42,280 Speaker 1: was two women, it's like surprise kids, you know. But 1715 01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:46,839 Speaker 1: like when it's two minutes, like yikes, because Bugs surprise 1716 01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:50,920 Speaker 1: kisses Lola at the end and she's like habbah habba, 1717 01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:54,120 Speaker 1: showing like and it's like, no, you didn't. You didn't 1718 01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:57,120 Speaker 1: consent to that kiss. Does oh I have a question. 1719 01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:01,400 Speaker 1: When Lola kisses Bugs Zach also count as a surprise 1720 01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:04,080 Speaker 1: kills I feel like that could easily be classified as 1721 01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:06,120 Speaker 1: a surprise kiss. Yes, because they're in the middle of 1722 01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:12,240 Speaker 1: a basketball game. There's not killing basketball. You put that 1723 01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:18,720 Speaker 1: romance on the on the side. Yeah, So just all 1724 01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:22,200 Speaker 1: the kissing in this movie shouldn't have happened because it's 1725 01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:24,920 Speaker 1: it's three surprise kisses in a row. I mean, the 1726 01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:27,360 Speaker 1: thing is like, I have no that I like. I 1727 01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:29,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways to come at it, and 1728 01:41:30,040 --> 01:41:32,560 Speaker 1: and we've almost been talking to for two hours, so 1729 01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:35,000 Speaker 1: I won't go, which is longer than the movie. But 1730 01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:39,160 Speaker 1: there is like I don't want to completely say that 1731 01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:42,320 Speaker 1: Lola Bunny should be de sexualized, because I feel like 1732 01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:45,080 Speaker 1: there is, Like Princess was saying earlier, there's a lot 1733 01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:50,080 Speaker 1: of de sexualization of female athletes that is equally sexist, 1734 01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:54,880 Speaker 1: and like, if you are an athletic fem you can't 1735 01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:58,439 Speaker 1: be a sexual being as well, and that's an equally 1736 01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:01,800 Speaker 1: unfair thing to have forced upon you. Of like total 1737 01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:04,320 Speaker 1: if you are athletic, it's inherent that that is all 1738 01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:07,720 Speaker 1: you can be. It sounds so complicated, but you just 1739 01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:09,960 Speaker 1: need to strike the same balance that you would for 1740 01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:14,200 Speaker 1: most male characters and that's all you would need to do. Um, 1741 01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:18,040 Speaker 1: But this movie it doesn't quite do that. Yeah, I 1742 01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:20,519 Speaker 1: mean it's not so much that I like if the 1743 01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:24,320 Speaker 1: fact that she has written primarily to be a new 1744 01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:27,640 Speaker 1: love interest of Bugs Bunny, like that is not I 1745 01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:30,519 Speaker 1: don't love that, but the fact that they end up 1746 01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:34,080 Speaker 1: in a romantic relationship together, like whatever. I'm fine with that, 1747 01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:36,800 Speaker 1: Like if they like each other, if they admire each 1748 01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:40,639 Speaker 1: other's basketball skills, whatever, fine. It's more that the nature 1749 01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:44,000 Speaker 1: of the kissing, which is just like three non consensual kisses, 1750 01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:48,240 Speaker 1: is what I take most issue with. But you know 1751 01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:51,720 Speaker 1: that's still well. That brings me to a quote from 1752 01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:57,840 Speaker 1: another Mary Sue piece from Maddie Myers entitled Hay Space Jam. 1753 01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:00,800 Speaker 1: To give Lola Bunny the respect she'd serves this time, 1754 01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:05,640 Speaker 1: says quote. The way she is in Lila Bunny I 1755 01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:09,080 Speaker 1: was framed taught kid me a pretty depressing lesson about 1756 01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:11,559 Speaker 1: what it takes to be accepted by a group of guys. 1757 01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:14,559 Speaker 1: If you're lucky and if you're hot enough, maybe you'll 1758 01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:17,880 Speaker 1: get to date one of them. Unfortunately, I know that's 1759 01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:20,920 Speaker 1: a lesson that I internalized very early on in my life, 1760 01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:24,200 Speaker 1: the idea that male male validation was the only thing 1761 01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:27,120 Speaker 1: that really mattered as opposed to winning games and excelling 1762 01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:30,000 Speaker 1: at my chosen hobbies. It's a lesson that took me 1763 01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:34,040 Speaker 1: years to unlearn. Unquote. So that's kind of the whole 1764 01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:37,160 Speaker 1: thing with with Lola Bunny again, like as a character, 1765 01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:40,920 Speaker 1: isolating her character is like, she's a great character. A 1766 01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:43,720 Speaker 1: lot of young girls saw her and looked up to 1767 01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:47,040 Speaker 1: her and and found a lot of value in her 1768 01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:50,640 Speaker 1: character rightfully, so like she was the only good basketball 1769 01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:53,720 Speaker 1: player on the team aside from Michael Jordan's. But the 1770 01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:55,840 Speaker 1: way that she is framed by the story, like the 1771 01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:59,280 Speaker 1: story doesn't like her and and then she's her character 1772 01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:03,639 Speaker 1: suffers as a result. So and I agree. I did 1773 01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:06,040 Speaker 1: hear that for Space Jam two that they have brought 1774 01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:11,120 Speaker 1: in some w NBA players, So I'm hoping that that means, yeah, 1775 01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:13,160 Speaker 1: I was, I remember hearing something about that, So I'm 1776 01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:16,800 Speaker 1: like hopefully. And Lebron James has been very good about 1777 01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:20,799 Speaker 1: supporting female athletes, so I feel like he definitely wouldn't 1778 01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:24,120 Speaker 1: want to produce a movie that was like token woman 1779 01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:28,120 Speaker 1: in this era, Like I don't think. I think that absolutely. 1780 01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:32,439 Speaker 1: If they don't do Lola right in Space Dam two, 1781 01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:35,360 Speaker 1: it's gonna be like, it's gonna break my heart so bad, 1782 01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:40,040 Speaker 1: like that'll be that'll be ruining my childhood. I wonder 1783 01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:43,080 Speaker 1: if she'll get the Oh my gosh, I don't even 1784 01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:45,600 Speaker 1: remember her name, which tells you how important this character is, 1785 01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:49,120 Speaker 1: but the one female character in the Toy Story franchise 1786 01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:55,519 Speaker 1: made her like yeah and to History Story four. She 1787 01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:57,760 Speaker 1: I wonder if she'll if, like Lola Bunny will get 1788 01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:01,920 Speaker 1: the bo peep in Toy Story for treatment. We'll find out, 1789 01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:05,400 Speaker 1: I guess whenever that movie comes out. You can keep 1790 01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:06,920 Speaker 1: the crop top. But I just want her to have 1791 01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:10,280 Speaker 1: like some real shorts this time, like some like you know, 1792 01:45:10,439 --> 01:45:13,000 Speaker 1: knee high, knee length. I think we need to, we 1793 01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:15,519 Speaker 1: need to. We need her to have like knee length shorts, 1794 01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:27,280 Speaker 1: knees top eight of them are exposed um them, we're 1795 01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:31,000 Speaker 1: covered up at the top. I mean, yeah, I I 1796 01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:38,040 Speaker 1: hope that the question mark um iteration of Lola Bunny 1797 01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,800 Speaker 1: is you know. I I feel like at this point, yeah, 1798 01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:46,360 Speaker 1: with with Lebron involved and with how far hopefully we 1799 01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:49,720 Speaker 1: have come, since there will be more to see and 1800 01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:53,960 Speaker 1: more for Lola to do and reclaim. And I mean 1801 01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:57,120 Speaker 1: it is interesting this this uh, this franchise is like 1802 01:45:57,400 --> 01:46:01,680 Speaker 1: entering it's ninetieth year and it still evolving, which is 1803 01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:05,519 Speaker 1: pretty I mean, there's not a lot of franchises that 1804 01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:08,560 Speaker 1: you can follow for that long and track growth. So 1805 01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:12,360 Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what what she does next? Exactly? 1806 01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:15,880 Speaker 1: And yet and somehow we managed to talk nearly two 1807 01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:20,000 Speaker 1: hours about a seventy seven minute that is the that 1808 01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:22,400 Speaker 1: is the power of space Jam, that it edited, that 1809 01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:26,759 Speaker 1: it has capitalist messages, anti capitalist messages, it's pro union. 1810 01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:32,080 Speaker 1: It's like weirdly to nineties girl power, but also reinforces 1811 01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:37,200 Speaker 1: nineties sexism, all in just under ninety minutes. It's like, 1812 01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:44,600 Speaker 1: it's they don't make them like that anymore. Well, it 1813 01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:47,719 Speaker 1: does not. We set already does not pass the Bechdel 1814 01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:54,320 Speaker 1: test to female characters don't interact at all. Well, his 1815 01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,280 Speaker 1: wife and his daughter, his daughter and his daughter interact, 1816 01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:01,519 Speaker 1: but it is not shockingly only about Michael Jordan's right, Yes, 1817 01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:03,679 Speaker 1: I forgot about that, and yeah, the very brief moment 1818 01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:07,000 Speaker 1: there um, and then I think, like his wife and 1819 01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:11,960 Speaker 1: his housekeeper or his mother, We're not sure. Um. I 1820 01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,519 Speaker 1: think also interact with each other, but we don't know. 1821 01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:18,000 Speaker 1: Do we know any of their names? I don't. I 1822 01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:20,000 Speaker 1: think like it is her name, Sheila. I feel like 1823 01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:22,320 Speaker 1: they say her name once, but I don't remember. I think, 1824 01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:24,519 Speaker 1: and I think they say the other woman's named too. 1825 01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:26,479 Speaker 1: But it was funny because when that scene happened, I 1826 01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:28,400 Speaker 1: was like, will this be the scene? And it's not. 1827 01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:31,040 Speaker 1: But it's about food. But it's about food, and all 1828 01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:35,519 Speaker 1: I could hear is women be cooking because she's making 1829 01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:39,760 Speaker 1: because she's like making something with like collar greens and something. 1830 01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:42,719 Speaker 1: And I'm just lating. That does sound good? Women be cooking? 1831 01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:49,200 Speaker 1: It's yeah. Unfortunately, on the live action side, there's there's 1832 01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:53,760 Speaker 1: not much happening for women, And on the animated side, 1833 01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:58,080 Speaker 1: it's complicated. Are we are we at the nipples? Girl? 1834 01:47:58,200 --> 01:48:06,720 Speaker 1: Are we there? Yeah? Ten rabbit nipples. I'm gonna give 1835 01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:11,320 Speaker 1: this like a half nipple. Well, maybe I'll give it 1836 01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:14,720 Speaker 1: one nipple for Lola Bunny. Is she very tokenized? Is 1837 01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:18,320 Speaker 1: she hyper sexualized? Is any of that her fault? No? 1838 01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:22,920 Speaker 1: But you know she's at the mercy of these four 1839 01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:27,519 Speaker 1: male screenwriters, whoever the hell We've got a Leo, we've 1840 01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:30,599 Speaker 1: got a Steve, A Timothy, and a herschel Um who 1841 01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:34,720 Speaker 1: wrote this movie and had an opportunity to introduce an 1842 01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:39,720 Speaker 1: interesting female loony tune character into the cannon, and they 1843 01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:43,640 Speaker 1: did to some extent. Because Lola is awesome again if 1844 01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:46,160 Speaker 1: you just isolate her, but the movie, the way she 1845 01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:48,680 Speaker 1: is framed all the more that she gets to do 1846 01:48:48,920 --> 01:48:51,400 Speaker 1: in the movie, all the more screen time she has 1847 01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:55,200 Speaker 1: doesn't do her any justice. And then, just like with 1848 01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:57,800 Speaker 1: Charles Barklay's comment of like, you know, I was beaten 1849 01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:00,439 Speaker 1: by a bunch of girls like I don't, this movie 1850 01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:05,000 Speaker 1: doesn't respect women. Um. The fact that it's a of 1851 01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:09,280 Speaker 1: the live action characters, that it's a predominantly black cast 1852 01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:15,160 Speaker 1: is worth noting. That's not common for a hugely mainstream 1853 01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:18,839 Speaker 1: movie as this was that made over two million dollars 1854 01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:22,640 Speaker 1: at the box office, and this whole franchise, including merchandizing, 1855 01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:25,439 Speaker 1: which again does not include a little of Bunny enough, 1856 01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:29,639 Speaker 1: is estimated to have made something like six billion dollars 1857 01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:36,360 Speaker 1: since the movie was released. A lot of croptops. So 1858 01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, there's pros and there's cons. But you know, 1859 01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:44,600 Speaker 1: from the lens of intersectional feminism, I can't say that 1860 01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:48,240 Speaker 1: it does very well. So one nipple and um, I'll 1861 01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:51,880 Speaker 1: give it to a little of Bunny. Okay, this is 1862 01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:57,280 Speaker 1: maybe over over rely generally, I I'm cutting this movie breaks. 1863 01:49:57,320 --> 01:49:59,840 Speaker 1: Maybe it doesn't necessarily deserve, but I'm going to go 1864 01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:02,120 Speaker 1: for one and a half and maybe I want I 1865 01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:05,920 Speaker 1: almost want to give it it too, because I feel 1866 01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:08,280 Speaker 1: like we've we've touched on this throughout the episode. The 1867 01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:12,839 Speaker 1: fact that there is a female athlete icon at least 1868 01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:18,080 Speaker 1: for young girls to project onto, was not a small 1869 01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:21,160 Speaker 1: thing at this time. Is she hyper sexualized, yes? Is 1870 01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:25,360 Speaker 1: she not on screen enough? Absolutely not. But I do 1871 01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:30,880 Speaker 1: feel like a female athlete who is extremely competent and 1872 01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:33,920 Speaker 1: is confident. In spite of the fact that that is 1873 01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:36,640 Speaker 1: really only appears in one scene. It seems like the 1874 01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:39,400 Speaker 1: cultural legacy of this movie. It doesn't feel like there 1875 01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:42,439 Speaker 1: was just one scene because um, like, girls of this 1876 01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:46,600 Speaker 1: generation projected so much onto her, because what else was 1877 01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:50,479 Speaker 1: there at this time to project onto? You had basically 1878 01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:55,640 Speaker 1: Disney princesses who were like, had really no agency that 1879 01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:58,160 Speaker 1: much at all, because it Mulan hasn't come out at 1880 01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:03,599 Speaker 1: this point. So I so, I I I'm being overally 1881 01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:06,080 Speaker 1: generous to it, But I feel like Lila Bunny does 1882 01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:09,439 Speaker 1: bring a lot to the table. Having a predominantly black 1883 01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:13,439 Speaker 1: live action cast was a huge thing at this time, 1884 01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:17,120 Speaker 1: and I just, I mean, maybe I'm giving it extra 1885 01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:19,280 Speaker 1: points for nostalgia doesn't deserve, but I'm going to give 1886 01:51:19,320 --> 01:51:21,599 Speaker 1: it one and a half. I also, it's also worth 1887 01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:26,200 Speaker 1: mentioning that Um, there is. There are predominantly, as usual, 1888 01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:29,000 Speaker 1: white men behind the camera for this movie, but there 1889 01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:32,760 Speaker 1: is a black writer credited on this movie. Um, oh, 1890 01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:35,639 Speaker 1: where are my notes? Oh? No, I have too many 1891 01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:42,519 Speaker 1: notes because I feel like it is Timothy Harris who 1892 01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:46,240 Speaker 1: is at the black writer on this movie. He is 1893 01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:50,040 Speaker 1: the writing partner. It's like two male writing partnerships that 1894 01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:53,600 Speaker 1: wrote this movie. So it's Timothy Harris and Herschel weinrad 1895 01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:58,200 Speaker 1: great uh and then Leo bien Venudi and Steve Rudnick 1896 01:51:58,240 --> 01:52:01,639 Speaker 1: are the two teams. Leo and Steve also wrote Santa 1897 01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:07,640 Speaker 1: Claus shout Out, and Timothy and Herschel also wrote Trading Places, Kindergarten, 1898 01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:10,519 Speaker 1: Cop and Twins. So now we know why Danny DeVito 1899 01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:15,840 Speaker 1: is there. So there. I mean, it's I honestly, and 1900 01:52:16,200 --> 01:52:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so there there is a black writer 1901 01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:23,760 Speaker 1: on this project. Is it proportional representation? Absolutely not. Um, 1902 01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:28,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I love this movie and 1903 01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:30,120 Speaker 1: I'm probably giving it too much credit, but I'm gonna 1904 01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:32,160 Speaker 1: give it a nipple and a half and I'm giving 1905 01:52:32,200 --> 01:52:33,920 Speaker 1: them both to Lola Bunny because we gotta get her 1906 01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:38,840 Speaker 1: to ten. So Princess um give her seven point five 1907 01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:42,479 Speaker 1: and give them up for seven point five nipples. I'm 1908 01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:45,360 Speaker 1: definitely gonna I think I'm gonna be a little bit 1909 01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:48,000 Speaker 1: more your generous and Jamie I gave it to, I 1910 01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:52,040 Speaker 1: thoughtfully gave it to both of them. Are Lola's nipples. Um. 1911 01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:54,960 Speaker 1: But I think for me, the thing that I was 1912 01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:59,040 Speaker 1: thinking about in context of like female athleticism is like 1913 01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:03,200 Speaker 1: the all only other movie I remember that featured like 1914 01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:08,479 Speaker 1: a female athlete in this way, whereas the priority was 1915 01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:11,599 Speaker 1: like loving basketball that came out and like in two 1916 01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:15,720 Speaker 1: thousand and I feel like when I think about what 1917 01:53:15,880 --> 01:53:18,280 Speaker 1: it meant for me to have like a Lola bunny 1918 01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:22,120 Speaker 1: doll when I was a kid, and like, even rewatching 1919 01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:27,479 Speaker 1: that movie today, I was like, there is something about 1920 01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:31,680 Speaker 1: the way that she just was so effortlessly cool that 1921 01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:34,400 Speaker 1: meant so much to me. And I think when I 1922 01:53:34,479 --> 01:53:37,040 Speaker 1: think about even now, the way like and even a 1923 01:53:37,120 --> 01:53:40,879 Speaker 1: Lola is not black, the way I've seen black girls 1924 01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:46,120 Speaker 1: attached to that character, the way I've seen like that happened, 1925 01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:48,000 Speaker 1: especially when you think about how the w n b 1926 01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:52,200 Speaker 1: A talks about women, treats women, how underfunded they are. 1927 01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:55,040 Speaker 1: I think, even though she doesn't get enough screen time, 1928 01:53:55,240 --> 01:54:01,360 Speaker 1: it does mean something to have a competent female athlete 1929 01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:04,360 Speaker 1: in a movie who gets to be a love interest, 1930 01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:09,439 Speaker 1: because that kind of thing de sexualizes you in a 1931 01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:13,400 Speaker 1: way that's very like queer phobic and misogynistic. At the 1932 01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:16,240 Speaker 1: same time, it's like they're like, oh, she must be 1933 01:54:16,360 --> 01:54:18,120 Speaker 1: like a lesbian, as if a that's a bad thing, 1934 01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:20,960 Speaker 1: like shout out to her. But I think that the 1935 01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:23,719 Speaker 1: tricky things that Lola is like a made by committee 1936 01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:26,760 Speaker 1: design character, and so like that's why it can't be 1937 01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:29,280 Speaker 1: like more than two. I love it that it's a 1938 01:54:29,320 --> 01:54:33,520 Speaker 1: black movie, I love the music in it, and I 1939 01:54:34,240 --> 01:54:37,240 Speaker 1: hope that Space Jam two does better. But I think 1940 01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:39,800 Speaker 1: in terms of like the legacy of what Lola has 1941 01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:41,960 Speaker 1: meant to a lot of people is still a good thing, 1942 01:54:42,120 --> 01:54:45,680 Speaker 1: and that's why I'm bumping it just lightly up to um. 1943 01:54:46,320 --> 01:54:49,360 Speaker 1: But I also agree that, like I'm probably giving it 1944 01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:52,360 Speaker 1: a lot of nostalgic credit because literally this movie has 1945 01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:57,080 Speaker 1: like genuinely saved me from like the worst like times 1946 01:54:57,240 --> 01:55:00,360 Speaker 1: in terms of depression. It's like, my sweet smot Daffy 1947 01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:05,280 Speaker 1: remains undefeated. He has he's so funny, he's so funny. 1948 01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:08,640 Speaker 1: I just I love him so much. And the only 1949 01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:11,360 Speaker 1: character in this movie that appears in drag if only 1950 01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:13,960 Speaker 1: for a second. Yeah, because he's doing like a little 1951 01:55:14,040 --> 01:55:17,400 Speaker 1: runway fleeting moments and he looked great, you know, like 1952 01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:20,320 Speaker 1: that we can pull off a wig um oh Looney 1953 01:55:20,360 --> 01:55:23,200 Speaker 1: Tunes look incredible and drag. Yeah, it's like that's kind 1954 01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:28,760 Speaker 1: of well. Princess, thank you so much for joining us. 1955 01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:31,280 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. I was like 1956 01:55:31,320 --> 01:55:32,720 Speaker 1: when I got that, when I got the d M, 1957 01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:36,720 Speaker 1: I was like, I think. I was like, I was like, 1958 01:55:36,840 --> 01:55:40,240 Speaker 1: my time is come finally, I think. I think. When 1959 01:55:40,280 --> 01:55:45,080 Speaker 1: you asked me, I responded blank. I was like, Google play, Yeah, 1960 01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:51,040 Speaker 1: by us, you're featuring Luda Chris Well, we'd love to 1961 01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:55,120 Speaker 1: have you back anytime, so this will happen again. Thank you. 1962 01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:56,720 Speaker 1: That means so much. But thank you so much for 1963 01:55:56,800 --> 01:56:00,240 Speaker 1: having me this. This was so much fun. I turned 1964 01:56:00,280 --> 01:56:01,840 Speaker 1: off my fans for this, and I don't feel like 1965 01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:05,880 Speaker 1: I switted at all, even though I absolutely have so much. 1966 01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:09,640 Speaker 1: I love you guys much. You have clean audio, and 1967 01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:14,880 Speaker 1: everyone listening please follow Princess's work. I've been binging your 1968 01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:19,200 Speaker 1: YouTube channel. It is so fucking good, Like, just get 1969 01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:22,760 Speaker 1: into it, listeners. If you're not already into it. Yes, 1970 01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:24,680 Speaker 1: and tell us where we can find you and where 1971 01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:27,640 Speaker 1: what anything you want to plug? Yes, I am at 1972 01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:32,000 Speaker 1: Week's Princess on Twitter, no spaces and it's Week's w 1973 01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:36,200 Speaker 1: E E K E s um. And then on YouTube 1974 01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:39,080 Speaker 1: my user name there is Molina Pendulum because I was 1975 01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:41,480 Speaker 1: sixteen when I made it and I don't want to 1976 01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:45,880 Speaker 1: change it. And my last video was about Gone with 1977 01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:49,560 Speaker 1: the Wind, so you know, super topical, casual, you know, 1978 01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:51,680 Speaker 1: just have a little it's about the book though, because 1979 01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:55,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sitting through that movie for another four hours, 1980 01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:57,200 Speaker 1: like because it's too long. Thank you so much for 1981 01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:02,200 Speaker 1: having me, and let's go and jam. Well, welcome, Welcome 1982 01:57:02,240 --> 01:57:06,520 Speaker 1: to the Jam, to the Jam. As always, there, may 1983 01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:13,760 Speaker 1: the Jam be with you. We should rebrand as the 1984 01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:17,400 Speaker 1: Jam Cast. Yes what if? Oh no, punch Up the 1985 01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:23,920 Speaker 1: Jam is our new I'm just kidding. 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