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Speaker 1: What other name would you call me by? That? He

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Speaker 2: The second victim, Deshay Butler, was killed months later and

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Speaker 2: But they did something that ended up there. That's not

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Speaker 2: This is one of those houses. That I don't know

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Speaker 2: get it out of the head, because you know, I

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00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: don't know, but I didn't think about this. But knowing

429
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: a lot about enough about group homes and how they operate,

430
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: they have different levels of control at different homes, some

431
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 2: very very limited control. They checked, you know, weekly to

432
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: make sure that you know, the trash isn't at a

433
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 2: hand in. But you know, they it just depends on

434
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 2: what the home is doing and what the people that

435
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: are there are doing. Their level of I guess experience,

436
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 2: you know, dictates the type of follow up you're going

437
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: to get. But in this particular, in this particular case,

438
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: that didn't hit me until right now.

439
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: Well you know what you're saying that, yeah, she follows

440
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: this lawsuit. The lawsuit is not directed at Cantrell, who

441
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: is the Satanist slash cannibal slash, you know, blood consumer.

442
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: The lawsuit is actually filed against the South Carolina Department

443
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: of Mental Health. And and there's an LLC that's named

444
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: in this the New the New Hope Home Solutions LLC

445
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: and a lady named Britney Reynolds Jackson. So and when

446
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: you see this house, David, it's not some brand kind

447
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: of thing. It's this tiny, little wood frame home that

448
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: in my experience in my family lived in these in

449
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 1: these neighborhoods. It looks like what we would refer to

450
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: as a mill village home. You know, it's tiny, Uh,

451
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: it's got a porch on the front of it. It

452
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: looks like it's no bigger than you know that maybe

453
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: in the original that may have been added on to

454
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: but in its originally probably two baths, I mean two beds,

455
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: one bath at some point in time. And you know,

456
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: you you think about this woman who is named in

457
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: the lawsuit, who I don't know. Is she a caretaker?

458
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: Is she responsible for these people that occupy the space,

459
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: And then you think about the LLC that's operating these things,

460
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: which I don't know might be owned by her. Who's

461
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: who's minding the store here? You know, because you've got

462
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: people that are, as you had stated, that are in

463
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: desperate need of assistance, that you know, are not getting it,

464
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: and the fact that they have got somebody like Cantrell, who,

465
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: by the way, is a violent criminal. I mean, he's

466
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: got a history of arson, I think, and there's a

467
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: couple other.

468
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: There's a reason that there's a reason they call him

469
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: a budding serial killer. He had all the telltale signs

470
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: he actually had. Let's run down the bits here, what

471
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: you do Mark Anthony Cantrell previously served time for torturing dogs.

472
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: He previously served time for setting his parents home on fire.

473
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 2: He was on probation at the time he allegedly killed

474
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: Andrea and Butler. The murders of Andrea and Butler happened

475
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: over a five month period of time, but in twenty

476
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: twenty three, as we mentioned, you know, from March to

477
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: our October and he strangled to Shay Butler, hit him

478
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: in the head with lifting weight so he could drink

479
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: the blood. He drank it from the coffee cup over

480
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: several days, not one. They referred to him as a

481
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: budding serial killer because of the torturing of animals and

482
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: the satan worshiping, the devil horn tattoos. But there's a

483
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: part of this that I wanted to share with you.

484
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: It's a somebody was very proud of this. It's in

485
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: the New York Post in an article about this. Ex

486
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:37,239
Speaker 2: convict Mark Anthony Cantrell twenty six, allegedly chowed down on

487
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: Jared Andrea and to Shay Butler's ears at the Harper

488
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: Street Group home in Columbia, South Carolina in twenty twenty

489
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: three quote so he could gain their power. This according

490
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 2: to a lawsuit filed by Andrea's grandmother. Cantrell told police

491
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: that he killed Jared and to Shay because his alternate personality,

492
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: Robert Baldwin, had instructed him to do so.

493
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: This again, is this evidence of people using a diagnosis,

494
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: perhaps like multiple personality disorder, and one of the classic

495
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: markers for this disorder is that one personality is not

496
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: aware of the other. But either way, Cantrell was certainly

497
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: up to the devil's business. This poor grandmother that has

498
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: lost her grandson, and by the way, she's never had

499
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: an opportunity to honor him in death in a traditional way,

500
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: in a way that you know where we'll go through

501
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: a burial process and you know, awake. Perhaps that was

502
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: not afforded to her Dave, because Cantrell in his confession

503
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: actually admits to the fact that he took this young

504
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: man's body day and threw him away like garbage, disposed

505
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: of him in a dumpster, and no one was ever

506
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: the wiser. I really wonder you know how many cases

507
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: have you and I covered together where investigators wind up

508
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: going to landfills. But you know this, these cases originated

509
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: out of twenty twenty three. We're in twenty twenty five. Now,

510
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: what are the odds? What are the odds on any

511
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: level that there would be anything remaining of this young

512
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: man's body. And that's what's that's one of the very

513
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: tragic things about you know, about the the status of

514
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: this case, as you know, as the lawsuit makes it

515
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: makes it through the court system, Dave.

516
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: And that's what really nails me, Joe, is that this

517
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: story has been going on for two years and you

518
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: and I you mentioned at the very beginning, we didn't

519
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: know about this one. We missed this one until the

520
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: lawsuit was filed. And yet you would have thought that

521
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: the minute we had a guy admitting to being a

522
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: Satan worshiper killing two men, you know, disposing of one

523
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: by throwing him in the trash, and then the other

524
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: one he strangles and yet keeps him around like Jeffrey Dahmer,

525
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: sucking the guy's blood. I want to know how that's

526
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: even possible, Joe.

527
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: And it's very Yeah, it would be. It would be

528
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: a labor intensive event, Dave, because you know, I think

529
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: that people think that and I'm not being I'm not

530
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: trying to condescend here. Don't get me wrong. Many people

531
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: believe that that blood is a single component fluid, and

532
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 1: it's not. It's a multi component fluid in human body,

533
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: and one of the ways that it stays in the

534
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: status that it's in in life is that blood is

535
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: forever circulating through our system while you know we're on

536
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: this side of death. In this particular case, Dave, he

537
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: would have had to after well within twenty four hours,

538
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: within twenty four hours, in order to extract blood, draw blood,

539
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: if you will, from an open wound, even in this

540
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: guy's head. He would have had to have so manipulated

541
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: the head and in order to get blood to issue

542
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: out of this it would have been a real undertaking

543
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: because of blood would have been significantly clotted at this

544
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: point in time. As a matter of fact, in cases

545
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: of bodies that have lost a tremendous amount of blood

546
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: at the scene, when you're looking at a bloody deposition,

547
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: say pulled blood, you can see that the blood itself,

548
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: you'll see kind of a tightened area with the deposition.

549
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: It's very dark towards the center, and as it extends out,

550
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: you'll see clear liquid out to the periphery of that

551
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: that center area where the blood is kind of coagulated

552
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: on the floor, and that that clear liquid, it's almost

553
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: it's almost straw colored. I guess that's actually serum that

554
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: is separating out. So in order for blood even in

555
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: the body to not be coagulated, it has to be moving.

556
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: Of course, in death that that ceases. So it would

557
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,479
Speaker 1: be a herculean task for him to remove or get

558
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: blood out of the vessels or out of this this

559
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: large wound, you know, because this is a blunt force

560
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: trauma at he subjected this young man's body too. He

561
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: struck him in the head with essentially it sounds like

562
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: probably a plate, like a weightlifting plate, in order to

563
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: crack the head open. And it's it makes it even

564
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: more ghastly. I think on one level that he's you know,

565
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: that he's still attempting to get blood out of the

566
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: head over several several hours, several days, perhaps as he's

567
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: he's ingesting this. It's it's beyond disgusting.

568
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: I was kind of thinking he used like a dumbbell

569
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: without the weights on it, you know, the metal part,

570
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: because some can be heavy anyway. Regardless, it's a horrible

571
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: way of treating somebody's body, especially you've killed him already.

572
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 2: I mean, really, are we going to get worse now?

573
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, And it's the thing about the thing

574
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: about this. And look, if you're drinking blood, let's don't

575
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: dance around this. This is the is an element of cannibalism. Okay,

576
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: you're well.

577
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: And that came after the eating the ears.

578
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah it did. And so he's removed the ears.

579
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: I can only imagine that. And you know, there's a

580
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: lot a lot to be said about about ritualized cannibalism

581
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: over the years. We talked about this previously with this

582
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: young man that he's brother's eye that we we had

583
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: that episode a couple of weeks ago with you know,

584
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: in certain tribes, you know, they would eat the brain,

585
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: and the brain to them contained the soul and thus

586
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: ultimately the power of this individual. And what he is

587
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,479
Speaker 1: allegedly saying is that he wanted to gain power over

588
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: these individuals by eating this element of their bodies. I

589
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: personally think that with most cannibalism cases, I think that

590
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: there is a strong sexual component many times, certainly with

591
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: Domer and even if you look at going back to

592
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: ed Gean, the Butcher of Plainfield, who you know, We've

593
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: got all of these movies, leather Face in particular Texas,

594
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: Chainsaw Masker, and a lot of these other things that

595
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: movies that have been fictionalized based upon ed Geen. You

596
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: know he had created, he was essentially disinterned bodies of women,

597
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: and you know he would skin the bodies out and

598
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: create suits of skin and dance around in the moonlight,

599
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: and you know he would sexualize the dead, and there

600
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: was consumption he even had, I remember, and this always

601
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: seemed really if you ever see the crime scene photos

602
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: from ed Geen, they're all that's in the fifties, up

603
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: in this isolated farming community in Wisconsin, the last place

604
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: anybody would think about anything like that. He had actually

605
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: a bowl that was created out of calverium, and calvarium

606
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: is essentially a skull cap. You you hear in the

607
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: Catholic Church in particular, you'll hear about the the they

608
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: have a Latin name for it, but the cap that

609
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: priest where is referred to many times as a skull cap.

610
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: Will you expand the the circumference of that thing, and

611
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: it's it's approximating the same size as when we were

612
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: moving at autopsy because we have to go in to

613
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: take the brain out, and so it's referred to as

614
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: a calverium. Well, he had a bowl that was made

615
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: out of human calvarium, and he had created this and

616
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: other utensils and these sorts of things. He had allegedly

617
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: pickled remains. One woman's body was found field dressed in

618
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 1: the house. So we're going to yeah, I think that, yeah,

619
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: we should. And I think that it's interesting that two

620
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: of the most miss cannibals in the history of US crime,

621
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: you know, originated in Wisconsin. You know, you got it,

622
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: and then of course you got Damer.

623
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: Now I want to go back to Devil Boy in

624
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 2: South Carolina. Yeah, the lawsuit that is filed by Jared

625
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: Andrea's grandmother, she talked about his condition, you know, and

626
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: how little oversight there appeared to be in the home,

627
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: which is how the devil worshiper got away with this

628
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: like he did, because you know, when Andrea was dropped

629
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: off at the facility one day and a couple of

630
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: days later, his grandfather was supposed to come and get him.

631
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: That's the window, you know, he's dropped off, and two

632
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: days later when Grandpa comes to get him, he's not there.

633
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 2: And so they know about when he was killed by

634
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: Mark Anthony Cantrell. They don't know to this day where

635
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: his body is because in that case the facility when

636
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: when Andrea went missing, they didn't know he was gone.

637
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: They had to be told by another person in the facility.

638
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: Same thing is true with the Shae Butler months after

639
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: Jared Andrea is gone, he's just missing Joe. Now, this

640
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: is an adult man who was in the program. He

641
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: was living in the house and now he's no longer there.

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Speaker 2: They don't know where he is. You would think a

643
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: halfway house that has this going on would be clamped down,

644
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: that there would have been a search of the facility,

645
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: a search of all the people there that you know,

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00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: there would have been some kind of you know, ability

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00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: to find out what happened, and they didn't have that.

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00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: Five months after Andrea goes missing. That's where Deshae Butler

649
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: know the difference is with Deshae Butler. Mark Anthony Kintrell

650
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 2: is seen on video carrying to Shae Butler's body out

651
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Speaker 2: of the house. So that's how they able to get

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Speaker 2: a confession.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, confirmation where because they could leverage him with that information.

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00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously that's and that's pretty hard evidence when

655
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Speaker 1: you think about the world that we live in right

656
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:20,959
Speaker 1: now with CCTV. Unfortunately, unfortunately the tragedy with this other

657
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: than the fact that these two young men were horribly

658
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: brutalized by this person that's thrown into the mix with

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00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: all of these vulnerable people. You know, you'll never know

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Speaker 1: truly what happened to Andrea in particular, You'll never know.

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Speaker 1: And then I think the other part to this is

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Speaker 1: that family members know that they they suffered. Dave, I

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Speaker 1: don't you know, because you know, he admits Cantrell admits

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Speaker 1: to the cause of death is going to be strangulation.

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00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: He choked these guys out, and that's, as we've talked

666
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: about in the past, it's very personal. He you know,

667
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: it's one thing, you know, to slip over to the

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00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: bed in the room where you're sharing a room with

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Speaker 1: an individual and wrap your hands around their throat. You've

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00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: got one of these individuals that is not a roommate,

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Speaker 1: and that involves probably luring where you're going to get

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00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: them into a room that's quiet, and maybe they didn't

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Speaker 1: have the ability to vocalize, Maybe they'd have been abused

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Speaker 1: in the past. Maybe this guy is such a monster

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00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: that he could dominate them to the point where he

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Speaker 1: could squeeze the life out of them. I do know this.

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Speaker 1: I know that this is a tragedy, two tragedies. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I know that the state failed miserably. Those that should

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00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: have provided care for these two young men lost sight

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Speaker 1: of their job, and now we are absent them. Now,

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Speaker 1: this man Cantrell has been placed back into prison for

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00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: the arson charge that he had formerly had on him,

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Speaker 1: probably as a result of pro violation, and he's awaiting

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Speaker 1: trial and he will stand before the judge and answer.

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Speaker 1: I just can't wait to see what his answers will be.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks