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Speaker 3: You know, it is really you know, not to quote

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Speaker 3: fifty thirty. Pivot like pivot, it's important to pivot. It

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Speaker 3: keeps you younger, it keeps your brain, it keeps you

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Speaker 3: in the conversation. I think you know, to Rachel's point,

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Speaker 3: what she's also done with her career.

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Speaker 4: And you change and you grow. And it's not to

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Speaker 4: say you don't go back to certain things because.

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Speaker 2: But differently but differently, but differently.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I think modeling and then acting.

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Speaker 4: With then acting.

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Speaker 3: And that was also never clicky, right like she knows

451
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Speaker 3: about me or a girl girl, I was never clicky.

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Speaker 4: I could be a boys girl.

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Speaker 3: I could be in the band, I could be in

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Speaker 3: the Corty, I could be in the nerds, I could

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Speaker 3: be in the the.

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Speaker 2: They're nice to everybody.

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Speaker 1: I think that's where you're like southern kind of like

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Speaker 1: I always see that come out, like when you meet

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Speaker 1: new people, you know, like I always know you always

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Speaker 1: know how people were raised by how they say hello

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Speaker 1: to people, in my opinion, because some people just kind

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Speaker 1: of have no interest. Some people like look away, some

463
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Speaker 1: people look down out good to me, you don't care.

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Speaker 2: You always look at new people.

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Speaker 1: You give them such attention, you give them like you

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Speaker 1: engage with them. You give that like southern like smile

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Speaker 1: that like very polite, like I care who you are

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Speaker 1: right now, Like I care who you are, Oh, where

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Speaker 1: are you from?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: And I think that those things are so those are

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Speaker 1: like life skills, those are life gifts, right, and I

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Speaker 1: think those are the kinds of things we try and

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Speaker 1: teach our kids. But I think to go from modeling

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Speaker 1: to acting, right, and I want to touch on that,

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Speaker 1: and then you go into well then you go into

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Speaker 1: personal life, right, but you go into acting, and then

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Speaker 1: you go into having three children, we'll go to that,

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Speaker 1: and then you go into launching like one hundred different

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Speaker 1: parts of businesses.

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Speaker 2: Right. So acting so that definitely kicks your ass.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I know that funny not first

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Speaker 1: act because I would never do it when.

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Speaker 3: I was so afraid because it was it was you know,

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Speaker 3: it was at the time.

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Speaker 4: When certain girls were like, I, you know, I'm not

487
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Speaker 4: a model, sure.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I was always very grateful, still a

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Speaker 3: pret people. I saw this Sports Illustrated clip of being

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Speaker 3: like I'm not an actors, you know, or like I

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Speaker 3: am an actress, I'm not a model.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I never I always was really hey, like you're a

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Speaker 3: fine with it for the experience, yes, But when I

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Speaker 3: ended up starting to audition, I ended up taking I

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Speaker 3: moved to.

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Speaker 4: In August with the fashion world.

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Speaker 3: I know, if you follow Rachel you know this, but

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Speaker 3: the fashion industry kind of shuts down for about four

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Speaker 3: to five weeks, and so I flew to La.

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Speaker 4: I was living.

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Speaker 3: I was still living in Paris a lot, mainly New York.

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Speaker 3: But I flew to LA and I took an intensive

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Speaker 3: acting class. I'd started getting I'd gotten House of Style,

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Speaker 3: and then I'd gotten a cover Girl contract, and then

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Speaker 3: I got like six or five words only at Old Navy.

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Speaker 4: And so it was with Matthew Ralston.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Matthew Ralston got fine words for whole life.

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Speaker 3: Is coming back to me right a model, and so

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Speaker 3: I don't know, like I been working for them for

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Speaker 3: quite a while. It was cover girl, and I I

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Speaker 3: knew that deep down, like and not that I thought

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Speaker 3: I was just a code hanger, because I didn't actually didn't.

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Speaker 4: I actually, by the.

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Speaker 1: Way, I'm all that to tell me why you were

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Speaker 1: great at it though, because you didn't consider yourself.

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Speaker 3: That you knew that there was more, you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think that even though they could give two fucks

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Speaker 3: about what I said or what I thought, I don't

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Speaker 3: say it anyway, like I like this, look, I'm like

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Speaker 3: this really tells our story and our narrative.

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Speaker 4: They're like, just stuck a bit on the clothes and

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Speaker 4: get up.

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Speaker 3: But that being said, you know, I I I did

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Speaker 3: they I didn't. I knew I couldn't do what I

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Speaker 3: was doing forever. And also I don't mean it's in

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Speaker 3: a bad way. I knew there was some sort of

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Speaker 3: expiration day.

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, not that it's or worse.

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Speaker 3: I just knew that I wanted something else. I didn't

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Speaker 3: know what, and so I took this class. It was

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Speaker 3: an intensive for a month, and then they had a

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Speaker 3: two year program that was three nights a week, and

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Speaker 3: at the end of it, I was like, really like this,

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Speaker 3: really like this this method, and I ended up graduating.

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Speaker 3: Even living in Europe, I would take I took like

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Speaker 3: seventy seven Red Eyes and I completed.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, there wasn't zoom man or anything.

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Speaker 1: You actually did it in person. I'm like, God, you

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Speaker 1: are not afraid of an airplane, Molly, that's for sure.

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Speaker 4: I know you a fire.

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 4: I think that's why I can't leep anywhere. Yeah, talent,

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Speaker 4: I have ploped, but.

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Speaker 3: That that, you know, gave me skills. But I remember

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Speaker 3: going into audi in for Vegas and I had to

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Speaker 3: have a different accent, which I didn't even though they

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Speaker 3: gave it to me. And then I had to have

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Speaker 3: a dialog coach. Clearly, I'm not from New York to

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Speaker 3: play to be Gone Zutter, but I went in a

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Speaker 3: Camel's Lage T shirt. My showrunner Gary Scott Thompson called

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Speaker 3: my agents to this day and he told me the

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Speaker 3: story the other day flip blops and gee, and they

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Speaker 3: were like, does she not wanta does she not want

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Speaker 3: to be like pretty or sexy? Or does she not,

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Speaker 3: and my agent said to her, she wants you to

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Speaker 3: take her serious.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yeah. So it was an interesting and they

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Speaker 4: were like the job.

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Speaker 3: You know, I ended up getting the job, but they

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Speaker 3: called me and they were like, and.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, no, but I want them to, like I want.

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Speaker 5: Them to see the gowns, the fucking nun with gild I,

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Speaker 5: you know, and Josh and I being you know, on

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Speaker 5: set with Jimmy Kahn, who will be like, put your

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Speaker 5: fucking hands down, don't.

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Speaker 4: Move your head as much. You know. I didn't know

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Speaker 4: how to walk and talk. I didn't know how to word.

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Speaker 1: It's hard. People look at actors and they're like, I

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Speaker 1: can do that. I'm like, oh my god, it is.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 2: Acting is hard.

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Speaker 1: That is a skill and a gift and something you

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Speaker 1: have to work hard at. I mean, I think it's.

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Speaker 3: And it's like what you tell any child, don't worry,

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Speaker 3: it's never going to get picked up if you just

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Speaker 3: do it for six months, don't worry, it's never going

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Speaker 3: to go. And I'm like, okay, well, I'm like I'm

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Speaker 3: the shit now. It's like I'm liking I'm actually making money.

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Speaker 3: And they're like, yeah, no problem, and so sure, enough

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Speaker 3: it was a hit, and I would have to somehow

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Speaker 3: balance my I didn't want to lose what I had

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Speaker 3: worked so hard for, and so my ad and my

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Speaker 3: my showrunner, and they would let me leave on a

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Speaker 3: Thursday or a Tuesday for me at the time, I

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Speaker 3: can't believe how many chances I took, because it's not like.

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Speaker 4: A model, modeling or even like any job.

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Speaker 3: It's like, if you're not there, they lose money.

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Speaker 2: You have to show up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not like, oh, be there in thirty minutes.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't know, which is another lesson, by the way,

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Speaker 1: But I did that for almost six years.

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Speaker 4: And was it six years? It was five and a

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Speaker 4: half years.

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Speaker 3: And you know, it's funny the strike is happening if yeah,

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Speaker 3: you guys are listening, and NOZAG and WGA and well

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Speaker 3: TJ just settled. But but again, it gave me time

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Speaker 3: to focus on finding a prince and staying.

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Speaker 1: In one way, it's that time in the show when

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Speaker 1: I answer to listener questions. So let's see what we

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Speaker 1: have today. First question, what bathing suit brands do you like? Oh,

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Speaker 1: my goodness, I love Zimmerman bathing suits. I think they're

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Speaker 1: beautiful because they're just very fashioning, but like in a

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Speaker 1: bathing suit form, I love Joanna Ortis, I love Eras. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: those are probably my favorite bathing suits because I like

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Speaker 1: bathing suits that look a bit more unexpected and just

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Speaker 1: like have a bit of drama, and I think they're beautiful.

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Speaker 1: What I move back to New York once my boys

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Speaker 1: are grown, I don't know. I have to really see

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Speaker 1: where my life takes me over the next several years,

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Speaker 1: because I think the idea is that once your kids leave,

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Speaker 1: you're supposed to kind of chill out more. And I

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Speaker 1: would say that New York is probably the opposite of

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Speaker 1: chilling out. When I'm in New York, I go out

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Speaker 1: seven nights a week until on godly hours of the night.

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Speaker 1: But it could be that when my kids go to college,

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm going to want to do that and maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm going to want to start dancing on tables again

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Speaker 1: as an adult. But I do miss it, and I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't say no, because I could see myself living between

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Speaker 1: New York City and maybe the Hampton's and having a

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Speaker 1: house out there to sort of really spend long stretches

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Speaker 1: of time on. But I would not of full time

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Speaker 1: only in New York City again.

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Speaker 2: I just couldn't do it. So I hope that answers

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Speaker 2: the question.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget to submit your questions for next week's episode.

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Speaker 1: questions to at Climbing and Hills Pod on Instagram and

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Speaker 1: I might just answer your question. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: Mollie so much for coming on the podcast. She's really

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Speaker 1: one of the most well traveled and well spoken women.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: We've known each other a really long time. Mollie and

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Speaker 1: I were really in a role this week. So we're

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Speaker 1: actually going to come back next week with part two

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Speaker 1: of my interview with Mollie Simp because we had so

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Speaker 1: much to talk about that we just couldn't stop.

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Speaker 2: So we actually have broken this out.

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Speaker 1: Into two ha episodes because I think you're going to

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Speaker 1: learn a lot more. It's good. If you want more

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Speaker 1: climbing and heals content, follow me. I'm at Rachel go

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Speaker 1: and at Climbing and Hills Pod on Instagram for more

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Speaker 1: updates on upcoming guests episodes. It's all Securre Tour because

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