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Speaker 1: Welcome to one Bills like the express delivery version of

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Speaker 1: our daily show One Bills Live, where we get you

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Speaker 1: all the Bills knowledge you need, drop in a dose

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Speaker 1: of fun and debate in about forty minutes. Coming up

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Speaker 1: on the show, we discussed the proper timing for a

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen extension, Steve tries to guess the best catch

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Speaker 1: trade players on the Bills from twenty twenty Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame head coach Tony Dungee discusses the Bills going forward

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Speaker 1: in the AFC landscape, and our one burning question asks

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Speaker 1: is the NFL in a unique position to create a

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Speaker 1: few super teams in the offseason. Let's light the fuse

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Speaker 1: at a Steve Tester who has been all over the

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Speaker 1: fields kind of unique. He was kind of a dual

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Speaker 1: role players for the state. Steve a blimp. We're not

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Speaker 1: even in the stratosphere of normalcy. Welcome everyd to one

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Speaker 1: Bills like Chris Brown here, Steve Taster there, thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining us. We begin Steve with Josh Allen and when

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Speaker 1: it might be best for the Bills to negotiate an

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Speaker 1: extension with the quarterback GM Brandon being on the Chris

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Speaker 1: Collinsworth Podcast, earlier this week addressed that very subject. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to read you exactly what he said here quote.

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Speaker 1: Josh is a guy we believe in and we would

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Speaker 1: definitely take a look at him later this offseason. Right now,

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Speaker 1: we'll focus on our upcoming free agents and anyone we

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Speaker 1: want to add in the draft. Generally, what I've done

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Speaker 1: here is look at guys to extend once we get

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Speaker 1: through the draft, what our money is like, see how

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Speaker 1: we can structure it to fit not only this year

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Speaker 1: but beyond. One thing I'm going to look at is

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Speaker 1: what things are going to look like this year in May.

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Speaker 1: Does it look like we're going to have seventy five

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Speaker 1: percent fans in the stands one hundred percent in the stands,

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Speaker 1: And see if we can predict what next year's cap

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Speaker 1: is going to look like based on a new TV

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Speaker 1: deal fans in the stands, Just to know how we

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Speaker 1: would structure his deal if we were to do something

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Speaker 1: this year. So a contract extension at least seems like

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Speaker 1: a possibility, Steve, but it will hinge on clarity on

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Speaker 1: the cap from the league number one, and if there

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Speaker 1: will be fans in the stands number two, to try

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Speaker 1: to ascertain revenue and where the cap might end up.

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Speaker 1: But the fans in the stands answer still may not

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Speaker 1: be known by May, right, So this could get a

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Speaker 1: little tricky. It could, and I think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: in there, but the fact that all of that down

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Speaker 1: the road, we're past the point of as to whether

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Speaker 1: it gets done. Yeah, I mean, Josh Allen is in

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Speaker 1: line for a payday. He's gonna get extended by this team.

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Speaker 1: He was in the MVP conversation this year. I think

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Speaker 1: the club would probably serve themselves better, even if it

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Speaker 1: does mean waiting is to have him back up this

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Speaker 1: season with another season, get back in the MVP race.

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Speaker 1: If you got that guy, give him the market rate.

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Speaker 1: Nobody cares. He's going to carry a team. That position

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Speaker 1: is that important to the league. So whether it gets

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Speaker 1: done is an irrelevancy because you know what's got. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a when not if situation, And with this restrictive

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Speaker 1: shall we say, knowing they have other things they have

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Speaker 1: to address this offseason. As you've mentioned several times on

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Speaker 1: our daily show, Hey we got five offensive lineman whose

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Speaker 1: contracts are up right out of the nine you've got.

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Speaker 1: So that's gonna have to get addressed in some way,

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Speaker 1: For me, that's job one. The offensive line come even

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Speaker 1: before Josh doesn't see this offseason, you've got a fit.

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Speaker 1: If you can't have a guy like Josh and then

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Speaker 1: decimate his offensive line, it's he won't be Josh. He

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Speaker 1: won't be Josh. You won't have a good team, you

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Speaker 1: gonna put your goose that lays the golden egg at risk.

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Speaker 1: They're not gonna do They shouldn't do that. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: just because of the way things fell and the way

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Speaker 1: You can't go into a regular season without having every

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Speaker 1: on to say in the interview on the Chris Collinsworth

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Speaker 1: So come May third, no clarity on fans in the stands.

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Speaker 1: The Bills are very likely to exercise the fifty year

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Speaker 1: but it's probably gonna be later rather than sooner. They

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Speaker 1: got a real break, I think too. When Mahomes signed

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Speaker 1: And the real intriguing part is how mahomes contract is structured.

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Speaker 1: a new deal. They pushed it out, They structured in

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Speaker 1: You're gonna get some You've got guarantees on this bone,

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Speaker 1: But your base hoar is going to be twenty one million.

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Speaker 1: Why it's unlikely they resigned Matt Milano. And it probably

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Speaker 1: And we've talked about this on the Daily Show a

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking probably July, which is when doctor Fauci said

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Speaker 1: on a computer, they can't validate a vaccination. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: would think. So how do you think about the heavy

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Speaker 1: I would like to think that getting proof of a

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Speaker 1: So I'm i'm me my opinion, my prognostication, full capacity,

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Speaker 1: and let's not forget last may. I think you prognosticated

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Speaker 1: and while it wasn't full capacity, it did come to fruition.

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers over about a month and it wasn't

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Speaker 1: until the end of January that I ended up getting hired.

429
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Speaker 1: And that was the only team that I was working on.

430
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Speaker 1: Now I see some of these guys have five interviews

431
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Speaker 1: over one weekend, and you know, everybody's trying to get

432
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Speaker 1: it done so fast, and they're trying to talk to

433
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Speaker 1: this person and that person. I would tell these owners,

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Speaker 1: take your time. I go back to Indianapolis a couple

435
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Speaker 1: of years ago, and they thought they were going to

436
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Speaker 1: get Josh McDaniels and it didn't work out, and so

437
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: now Jim Ursay had to basically start over after the

438
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Speaker 1: whole thing took place. And I remember talking to him

439
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Speaker 1: on the phone and said, I think the Lord has

440
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Speaker 1: really blessing you Jim, take your time. You've got a

441
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Speaker 1: couple of people. One of them, I said, look at

442
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Speaker 1: Leslie Fraser and then also look at Frank Wright. These

443
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Speaker 1: are people that know our organization, They've been around, they're available.

444
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Speaker 1: Take your time. He interviewed both of them, hired Frank Reich.

445
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: Frank becomes coach of the Year. They're a playoff team.

446
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: But that shows you you don't have to be the

447
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Speaker 1: first one to get a new coach. You don't have

448
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: to do it in a hurry. Take your time and

449
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: investigate the whole process, and you're going to get good people.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the league could mandate perhaps that they

451
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Speaker 1: can't hire a new head coach until a couple of

452
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Speaker 1: weeks after the Super Bowl, because it always feels like

453
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Speaker 1: and it's a tough sell not to say, when the

454
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: league is rolling along and you're sitting there without a leader,

455
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: that you're falling behind somehow if you're changing head coach,

456
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Speaker 1: if you don't get a guy that can start scouting

457
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Speaker 1: the combine right or what you know? What I mean

458
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Speaker 1: is it would it help the league if they mandated

459
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Speaker 1: a grace period there. It would help the process and

460
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Speaker 1: owners would feel frustrated just what you're saying, Oh, I've

461
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Speaker 1: got to get my guy, our fans, what are we

462
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: gonna do, and we're gonna miss out on this. We

463
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Speaker 1: don't have our guy in place for this scouting, we

464
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Speaker 1: might not have a staff. All those things, you know,

465
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Speaker 1: become issues. But really, if you think about it and say, hey,

466
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Speaker 1: this is like the Patriots, this is gonna be a

467
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Speaker 1: twenty year process. We're gonna have this coach for the

468
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Speaker 1: next twenty years. Two weeks we can wait if we

469
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Speaker 1: get the right guy. That's what you would hope, you'd think.

470
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Speaker 1: But to be honeste, what they're gonna have to do

471
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Speaker 1: is convinced the owners that, you know what, we've got

472
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Speaker 1: to dig below the surface. There are so many good

473
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Speaker 1: coaches out there. You really can get a good coach

474
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Speaker 1: without doing a real thorough search. But to get the

475
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Speaker 1: best coach for your situation and to investigate everything and

476
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Speaker 1: be intentional, it really is going to take some time.

477
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Speaker 1: And I look at this Super Bowl, and you look

478
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Speaker 1: at what Tampa did and what Todd Bowles did and

479
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Speaker 1: what Byron Leftwich did. I'm sure if there were owners

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Speaker 1: who saw those playoff games and saw the Super Bowl,

481
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Speaker 1: they might think you know what, let me just take

482
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Speaker 1: a look at Byron Leftwich heat. This offense really did

483
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Speaker 1: come around, and maybe I want to pursue that, but

484
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Speaker 1: so many of those decisions were made already. Yeah, and

485
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Speaker 1: that's but the thing for me, coach is even the

486
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Speaker 1: names that a lot of owners would recognize in terms

487
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Speaker 1: of coaches of color, whether it is Leslie Frasier or

488
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: Eric b Enemy, who's been talked about a countless number

489
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: of times over the last four or five off seasons,

490
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: these guys still can't get hired. And I think the

491
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: biggest frustration is, at least from what we've heard in

492
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Speaker 1: the interviews we've had, you know, with you know, whether

493
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Speaker 1: it's former coaches or former players in the League of Color,

494
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Speaker 1: it is that you see a thirty seven year old

495
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Speaker 1: white man get a head coaching job in LA with

496
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: the Chargers who is four years removed from coaching at

497
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Speaker 1: the Division three level. And I'm not saying that Brandon

498
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: Staley isn't isn't qualified, but they see that resume up

499
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Speaker 1: against the resume of Eric b Enemies or up against

500
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Speaker 1: the resume of Leslie Frasier's, and it's hard not to

501
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: scratch your head and say why is this the case? Well,

502
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: and they get frustrated because we seem to be able

503
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Speaker 1: to go outside the box when we want to, but

504
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: we don't always go outside the box in other cases.

505
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Speaker 1: We heard for a couple of years now, Eric B.

506
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Speaker 1: Enemy doesn't call the plays. Well, Frank Wright didn't call

507
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Speaker 1: the plays in Philadelphia as an assistant coach either, and

508
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: he turned out to be a pretty good coach. Matt

509
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: Naggie didn't call the plays for Andy Reid. Doug Peterson

510
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl, he didn't call the plays

511
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Speaker 1: for Andy Reid. So why is it necessary that Eric B.

512
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: Enemy needs to call the plays? And then you'll hear

513
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: while Byron left, which he's still young and he's only

514
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: been a coordinator for a couple of years. He needs

515
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Speaker 1: more seasoning. Well, Brandon Staley is a one year coordinator

516
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: and he may do a fantastic job. So there's nothing

517
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Speaker 1: wrong with looking outside the box. We just have to

518
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: look outside the box for everyone and try to get

519
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Speaker 1: the best person. And I think I hope fans will

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Speaker 1: understand that because I know when I talk about this,

521
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: people well a lot of times say, oh, you want

522
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: quotas or you want X number of coaches. No, that's

523
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: not what anybody's saying. But let's just pick the best

524
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: coach and let's get the best people. If we do that,

525
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: the game is going to be better. I got a

526
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: question for you as well. You had a lot of

527
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: experience as a head coach with two different organizations as well,

528
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Speaker 1: and you were part of a staff for a bunch

529
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Speaker 1: of different organizations. And we also hear about another important

530
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: hire for organizations is the GM. And here in Buffalo

531
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: we seem to have a crew that seemed to right

532
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: on the page together. I mean, Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott.

533
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: They look like they're killing it out there. What kind

534
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Speaker 1: of relationship must there be between a head coach and

535
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Speaker 1: a general manager? And what kind of relationship is the

536
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: best way to have it? I mean, what do you

537
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: have to have and what is just gravy that just

538
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: adds to it. I'll tell you that that relationship is

539
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: so important and you look at winning organizations before. Let's

540
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: let's go before Brandon being and Shaw McDermot. Let's go

541
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: back to Bill Polian and Marv Levy. Okay, they were

542
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: together in Montreal. They had a great connection. They had

543
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Speaker 1: a thought process in mind, how do we build a team?

544
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: And they built that Buffalo dynasty together because they thought

545
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: the same way, and that is so important. I was

546
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: really blessed when I went to Tampa to work with

547
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Speaker 1: Rich McKay. We were on the same page, We thought

548
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Speaker 1: the same way, We had the same ideas about how

549
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: to build it. Rich was a great listener. I kind

550
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: of prided myself and being a good listener. And we

551
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: grew together and we had a six year run that

552
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: was really neat. Then I had the blessing to go

553
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: to Buffalo and get the same thing Bill Poland is there.

554
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: How are we going to do this? And Bill used

555
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: to laugh at me and say, oh, you're so much

556
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: like Marv. But we had that connection and we thought

557
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: the same way. And I can remember describing my defense

558
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: to Bill, and here's what we need. And it's a

559
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: little different than other people. We can go with smaller player.

560
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: We look for quickness. We're not gonna be two gapping,

561
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna be exploding through one gap. So if guys

562
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: are a little smaller, we can live with that. And

563
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden Bill comes back with Dwight Freeney

564
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: and Robert Mathis and kato' June and Bob Sanders and

565
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: guys who fit perfectly because he really listened to what

566
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: I needed instead of just saying, well, we've always done

567
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: it this way. We've had big guys and I like size. No,

568
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: we blended it together and that's what it takes. So

569
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: you have to be on the same page with that.

570
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: I remember an interview I had early in my career

571
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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville with Wayne Weaver. He was the owner, and

572
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: we talked and seemed like it went really well. He

573
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: wanted the situation where one guy did it all, and

574
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: he ended up hiring Tom Coughlin, who had been a

575
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: head coach in Buffalo and wanted that role. And I

576
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: told mister Weaver, that's not me. I'm a coach. I

577
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: need a general manager that's going to look at the

578
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: long term and look at everything and bring players to me.

579
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: So I guess it can be done both ways, but

580
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: I really think the best is exactly what both flow has.

581
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: There a coach and a GM on the same page

582
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: in the same thought process. Yeah, and it looks like

583
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: coach and we're talking to Hall of Fame head coach

584
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: Tony Dungee. It looks as though the Bills coach are

585
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: focused on being in perennial contention. You know, oftentimes we

586
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: see these teams in go for it mode, they break

587
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: the bank, and then for a year or two later

588
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: they kind of have to pay the piper with respect

589
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: to the cap or make cuts and tear their roster

590
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: back down again. The Bills are trying to avoid that,

591
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: but this restrictive cap is going to get in the

592
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: way to a certain extent of maybe what their plans were,

593
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Speaker 1: as I'm sure it is the case of a lot

594
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: of other teams in the league. How how do you

595
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: kind of see this Bill's team on the AFC landscape

596
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: right now? Obviously get into the AFC Title game, but

597
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: some tough decisions ahead for them, as well as a

598
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: bunch of other teams there are, and everybody's going to

599
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: face that, and you have to decide are we going

600
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: to be in this for the long haul or are

601
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: we only going to be in it to rank while

602
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: the iron's hot. I'll give you a great example. Before

603
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: our two thousand and six Super Bowl season, Bill Polian

604
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: came to me. Edgerin James was a free agent. He

605
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: had played tremendous football for US. He was up and

606
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: Bill said, he's going to get a five or six

607
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: million dollars deal from somebody. He deserves it. But if

608
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: we do that, I can tell you right now, we

609
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: will lose down the road. We're gonna lose Dallas Clark,

610
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: Dwight Freeney, and Reggie Wayne. So we can do it

611
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: and we can try to win this year, or we

612
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: can let Edgerin go. We can resign those guys and

613
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: we can draft a running back and it's a good

614
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: year for running backs. We'll either get Maurice Jones, Drew

615
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: or Joseph had died and that was painful and for

616
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: me as a head coach er, I've gone to war

617
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: with him and I want him and he deserves to

618
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: be here. But after I slept on it and Bill

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Speaker 1: put it that way, I said, you know what, We've

620
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: got to do the best thing for the team and

621
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Speaker 1: we want to be good down the road also, so

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00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: we didn't try to resign edgern It played out exactly

623
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: that way. We drafted Joseph. He played good ball for us.

624
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: We won a Super Bowl that year, but for the

625
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: next five or six years they were still a contender

626
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: because we were prudent in what we did and it

627
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: played out that way. So I think being on that

628
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: same page talking those things through and then deciding, you

629
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: know what, we're gonna have some painful decision and we

630
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: might lose a guy that could help us get to

631
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl this year, but it's going to be

632
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: better off for us three and four years down the road.

633
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: One of the reasons the NFL stays so popular is

634
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: it does evolve. It does change, and the game evolves.

635
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: It's more of a college passing game now with athletic quarterbacks.

636
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: It used to be like guys like Peyton Manning and

637
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: Jim Kelly and Dan Marino. They didn't go anywhere, but

638
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: now guys are running all over the yard, and so

639
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: the game evolves. It's also evolving off the field and

640
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: where you've got guys like Deshaun Watson and this quarterback

641
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: environment we live in where you've got really high quality

642
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Speaker 1: orderbacks moving to new teams on a regular basis, which

643
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: you knew that it never happy you can get your

644
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Speaker 1: hands on one of those guys. Now they're everywhere, right

645
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: you can. If you're willing to put together package, you

646
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: can do it. What do you think about these guys

647
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: like like a Russell Wilson now with a disgruntled vibe.

648
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: We're getting out of Seattle. Deshaun Watson and Houston, what

649
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Speaker 1: do you think about the likelihood that the environment might

650
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Speaker 1: get to a point where, like in the NBA, a

651
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Speaker 1: great player can dictate his future. Well, I think that's

652
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: always been the case to a certain extent. But we

653
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: had those conversations and they kind of were kept private.

654
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: Now with social media and internet, you know, it becomes public. Well.

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Speaker 1: I had some conversations with Payton Manning where he wasn't

656
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Speaker 1: totally happy with the way everything went. But you know what,

657
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: we worked it out. We talked it through. No one

658
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: ever ever knew and now you had that conversation and

659
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: somehow the whole country knows. So that that's the difficult part.

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Speaker 1: But I think when you have great players, and you

661
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: have very very smart players, you're going to have those conversations,

662
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: and the key is talking it through, getting it go

663
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Speaker 1: and make sure everybody stays on the same page. But

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Speaker 1: the salaries too, and the contracts right now, that's the

665
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Speaker 1: thing that I see, you know, when you're seeing a

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Speaker 1: Jared Golf and a Carson Wentz move with these gigantic contracts,

667
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Speaker 1: and it's really more that than anything else that's kind

668
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Speaker 1: of dictating the move that that that's a little different

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Speaker 1: landscape right now, Coach, I did want to kind of

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Speaker 1: take advantage of your exposure to Notre Dame football having

671
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: done a couple of games with Mike Tarico, because I'm

672
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: fascinated by this this linebacker, Jeremiah ousu co Romoa. I

673
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: mean I was watching some of that Clemson game back

674
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Speaker 1: and he's just all around the football all the time.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a comp for him? Is he like

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Speaker 1: that Isaiah Simmons kid at a Clemson last year? Is

677
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Speaker 1: he that good of an athlete or because he just

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Speaker 1: looks yeah, I mean he looks put together. Man. He

679
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: is special. He is a great, great player. He caught

680
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Speaker 1: my eye very early doing the Notre Dame broadcast, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he's Isaiah Simmons in terms of

682
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: just the off the chart athletics, but when I saw him,

683
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Speaker 1: you know, the first name I thought of Derek Brooks,

684
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Speaker 1: who just a sideline to side linebacker, who can play

685
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Speaker 1: in space, who can play in the passing game, who's instinctive,

686
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Speaker 1: he makes tackles all over the field, he can cover

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Speaker 1: down the field, he can blitz. I just think he's

688
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Speaker 1: going to be exactly what people are looking for in

689
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Speaker 1: this wide open, fast paced passing game that the NFL

690
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Speaker 1: is turning into. Yeah, I like your comp better than mine,

691
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Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame linebacker. So what are you what

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Speaker 1: are your what are your thoughts about the new environment

693
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: we see quarterbacks? You know where you've got a guy

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Speaker 1: like a Jimmy Garoppolo who you know even even the club,

695
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Speaker 1: And you're right, a lot of it is about the

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Speaker 1: dissemination of information because these conversations have always been had,

697
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Speaker 1: but they've been had behind closed doors. Now we kind

698
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Speaker 1: of get an inkling that Jimmy Garoppolo is isn't making

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Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine ers all that happy. We've

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Speaker 1: seen Jared Goff, the team traded him Matt Stafford, same

701
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: thing Tom Brady left New England. You know, it's a

702
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Speaker 1: different environment in which we live. Is this? You know,

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that and what it's gonna

704
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Speaker 1: mean to teams going forward where you may not have

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Speaker 1: to wait until a generational player comes out in the

706
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Speaker 1: draft like and Andrew Luck to get to get your guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's really it becomes a combination of things, and it

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Speaker 1: becomes ability with cap chards, I guess. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff takes a team to a super Bowl and

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Speaker 1: everybody's looking for that. So how two years later is

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff not on your team? Carson Wentz was primed

712
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: to take a team to a super Bowl, he got hurt,

713
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Speaker 1: he was going to be the MVP of the league

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Speaker 1: that year they won the super Bowl, and he's not

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Speaker 1: on your team. Nick Foles took you to that super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and won it, and he's not on your team.

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Speaker 1: That's unheard of. Garoppolo went to his Yeah when we

718
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Speaker 1: were there, Steve, if you had a Super Bowl quarterback,

719
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Speaker 1: he's going to be your guy until he falls apart

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Speaker 1: and hopefully you bring another guy in. So it's a

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Speaker 1: different environment. But now all of a sudden, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jared goffs really good, but as he worth twenty seven

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Speaker 1: million dollars to our cap charts, so let's let's work

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Speaker 1: on getting the next person in here. And I really

725
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: think that has become the driving force. And it's unfortunate

726
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: because now you either have to live up to that

727
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: big contract or you're trying to get that big contract,

728
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Speaker 1: and if I can't get it from the team that

729
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,479
Speaker 1: I'm at, let me get it from the next team.

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Speaker 1: Last one for a me coach. We're talking about quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: we might as well talk about the one here in

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Speaker 1: Buffalo and Josh Allen, who took what many people considered

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Speaker 1: an unprecedented leap, particularly in accuracy, in raising that completion

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Speaker 1: percentage almost twelve percent in a single season, which doesn't

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Speaker 1: even seem fathomable when you go through the history of quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: That accuracy is kind of that Bell Cow statistic that

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Speaker 1: a lot of scouts and front office execs rely on heavily,

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Speaker 1: and he kind of bucked that trend in a big way.

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Speaker 1: There are some who feel his physical attributes make his

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Speaker 1: ceiling virtually limitless. I'm curious as to what you feel

741
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Speaker 1: his ceiling is now after witnessing the season he just

742
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Speaker 1: put together. Well, I'm really a Josh Allen fan. I'm

743
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Speaker 1: close with Leslie Fraser, and Leslie has told me for

744
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Speaker 1: the last couple of years, this guy is just going

745
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: to get better and better and better. His players love him.

746
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Speaker 1: He's got skills. He does things in that you should see.

747
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Speaker 1: So I witnessed all that from Leslie, but I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what I think has happened with him. It's kind

749
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: of what the Colts did with Peyton Manning. All of

750
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: a sudden, they're putting building blocks around him. So now

751
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: you've got not only Josh Allen, but Stefan Diggs, and

752
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: then you've got Dawson Knox and just more guys who

753
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: are playmakers. So maybe he's gotten more accurate. I'm sure

754
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: he has, as he knows where to throw the ball.

755
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: But you also have guys who are getting open, and

756
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: guys who are tough to cover, and guys who demand

757
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: double coverage and make it easier for the other guys.

758
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Speaker 1: So I think the cast of characters that they have

759
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Speaker 1: around jobs is helping him as well. And I think

760
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: this is an offense that's going to be very difficult

761
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: to defend for the next ten years. Last one for me,

762
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Speaker 1: coach your guy, your Indianapolis Colts, the franchise he won

763
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Speaker 1: your Super Bowl with traded for Carson Wentz. They bring

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Speaker 1: him over and you have an intimate knowledge of their

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Speaker 1: head coach, Frank Right as do. He's been a friend

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Speaker 1: of mine for thirty years, and I think without question

767
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: he's got a solid, well thought out plan about how

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is going to return to form. What are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on that? And for the playoff game that

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Speaker 1: we had here in Buffalo. I thought that Colt team

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00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: was as well coached as any team they faced this year,

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Speaker 1: and they seem well rounded. They've got a window here

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Speaker 1: that Carson Wentz could really help them push through. I

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00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: think we're going to see the best of Carson Wentz

775
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Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. Number One, he's going to

776
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: a place that has a very good defense, and the

777
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: defense when they're ahead, they're even tougher, so that's a plus.

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Speaker 1: He's got some excellent running backs. They had a couple

779
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: of injuries this year, but those backs will be back.

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00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: He's got a very good offensive line and some playmakers.

781
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: But the biggest thing he's got is, and you mentioned it,

782
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Speaker 1: Frank Reich as the coach. Frank knows Carson Wentz. Frank

783
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: also knows how to get the best out of quarterbacks.

784
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Speaker 1: He played in a system where he played behind Jim Kelly.

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Speaker 1: You guys did a lot of the same things when

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00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: Frank went in, but everything was tailored to what Frank

787
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: could do when he played it was tailored to what

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00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: Jim could do when he played, and that's how Frank

789
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: does it. So if Nick Foles is in there, we're

790
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: going to run the same offense, but it's going to

791
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: be styled a little different way. And I think he's

792
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Speaker 1: going to get the best out of Carson Wentz. I

793
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: think there's protection there, there's running game, and there's playmaking receivers.

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Speaker 1: I just think, you know, watch out for the Colts

795
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Speaker 1: next year. Coach. Appreciate all the time and the insight

796
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: and the expertise. That's a big reason why you're on

797
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Speaker 1: that Hall of Fame committee in my eyes. So thanks

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Speaker 1: for that. Appreciate coach, really appreciate you. Say hi to

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Speaker 1: my man, Coach Fraser, and I'm always pulling for the

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Speaker 1: for the Bills because we will do that. We will

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Speaker 1: do that for sure. Thanks coaching. All right. See, we

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Speaker 1: conclude this episode of One Bills Light with our one

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Speaker 1: Burning Question, which this week asks is the NFL in

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Speaker 1: a unique position this offseason where they can create a

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00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: few super teams allah the NBA, Because we know making

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00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: a super team in the NBA is much easier fewer players.

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00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: You get three superstars and you're set heck. I mean,

808
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Speaker 1: the Lakers did it last year with Anthony Davis and

809
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: Lebron James. They did it with two guys. But what

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Speaker 1: about the NFL this offseason, knowing a glut of big

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Speaker 1: time players could be flooding the free agent market at

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Speaker 1: potentially bargain prices. It is possible, and it is a

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Speaker 1: unique offseason for a lot of teams, not only the

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Speaker 1: fact that there's a couple of factors. One, it's a

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Speaker 1: shrinking cap, which puts the squeeze on some teams, and

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Speaker 1: there are some teams with some resources, they've got a

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Speaker 1: lot of cap space. Secondly, it was unanticipated. Nobody knew

818
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: this was gonna happen twelve months ago, so they couldn't

819
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Speaker 1: line up their budget and get their contracts in order

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Speaker 1: to prepare for this. So some teams got caught neck

821
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Speaker 1: deep in debt with dead cap money. And for that reason,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a double edged sword. One, that's the

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Speaker 1: reason all the great players may have to be released

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Speaker 1: and some players that wouldn't normally be free agents have

825
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Speaker 1: to be let go. And two, a lot of teams

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Speaker 1: are gonna get caught without the money to buy them.

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Speaker 1: So while it is possible to do that theoretically, Like

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Speaker 1: you said, it's really difficult for an NFL team to

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Speaker 1: do that, and there's there's not that many teams that

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Speaker 1: are gonna be able to buy enough players to make

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Speaker 1: a super team. So while it is possible that a

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Speaker 1: team out there, like like the Indianapolis Colts or even

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Speaker 1: the New England Patriots or some of them, you've got

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Speaker 1: to lure those players to your to your building and

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Speaker 1: their contracts, and you've got to make them the best offer.

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Speaker 1: And it's still there's still gonna be enough teams to

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Speaker 1: water that market down and pluck off the best players. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have to be very strategic if

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Speaker 1: you have an eye or a thought on doing something

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Speaker 1: like that. And you mentioned a team that is in

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Speaker 1: position to make that happen, the Colts, I think, with

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00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: the cap space they have and as complete as their

843
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 1: roster already is, they would be the kind of team

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Speaker 1: where if they are able to maybe lie in the

845
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Speaker 1: weeds let the heavy spending happen for some top players,

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Speaker 1: they're still going to be people left in the second

847
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Speaker 1: tier of the free agent market this year, I believe

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Speaker 1: who are borderline elite, but just can't find a home

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Speaker 1: because of the limited spending of probably ten teams, So

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Speaker 1: really you're only having twenty teams bid on your services

851
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Speaker 1: instead of thirty two. And I think if you're strategic

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Speaker 1: and wait a week and you're a team like the

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Speaker 1: Colts with cap money and you can sign maybe three

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Speaker 1: or four borderline elite players, yeah, that could put you

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Speaker 1: over the top. The secondary rush in free agent, you

856
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Speaker 1: always have those like, you know, five v Jerk buys,

857
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Speaker 1: five or ten guys who on midnight of the first

858
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: day there there the phone's ringing and they get they

859
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Speaker 1: get signed right away, big money. And then there's a

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Speaker 1: week or so and here's some few days that go by.

861
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: Then guys will start to say, well, gosh, that's all

862
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: that's out there formula, Okay, I'm gonna sign. That level

863
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: of free agent is gonna be bigger and a higher

864
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: quality this year than those second tier free agents are

865
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: gonna be like, I can't believe it. I guess I

866
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: gotta take it. I gotta yeah, I gotta take it.

867
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: I gotta play for eight instead of twelves. That's right,

868
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: And there might be in in a case like the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, do there might be these teams out there. Listen,

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Speaker 1: if those guys, if they're smart and their agents are smart,

871
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: and they want to bet on themselves a little bit,

872
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: this is the perfect time for them to do it.

873
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: Give me instead of going for twelve, give me eight

874
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: with some incentives on a one year deal, and I'll

875
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: jump back in the marketing and I'll and I'll come

876
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: back when the when the cap bounces. But let's let's

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Speaker 1: try to apply this to the Bills in terms of establishment,

878
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, building a super team. We know the Bills

879
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: in all likelihood are not going to be one of

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00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: those teams participating heavily in Week one a free agency.

881
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: We know they'll be lying in the weeds. So now

882
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: the now the allure for the Bills, at least in

883
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: terms of what they're trying to sell. Do the Bills

884
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: have the cache to reel in a couple of borderline

885
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: elite players at a reduced price in this unique offseason

886
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Speaker 1: and perhaps assemble themselves something close to a super team.

887
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: Knowing they are unlikely to participate in the early stages

888
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: and days of free agents, they could certainly be one

889
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: of those teams that pulls in a guy well like

890
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: they did with Mario Addison, Vernon Butler, Quentin Jefferson last

891
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: year to bring guys in like aj Klein, Tyler, Metakevic.

892
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: These are not borderline elite guys though. No, it's gonna

893
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: be a different I think it's gonna be a different

894
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: pool of talent from which to draw even in week

895
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: two of Free Right. What I'm saying is it'll be

896
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: guys like that, but theoretically guys a little bit better. Yes,

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Speaker 1: theoretically guys who the average casual fan has heard of.

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00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people didn't know who Quintin Jefferson,

899
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: Mario Addison, these guys, they weren't like who they played

900
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: for that kind of thing. But you're talking about guys

901
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: like now, like in Gockway, and you know other names

902
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: you can you can mention that the other pass rusher

903
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: from was from Houston, n with Seattle's with what's the

904
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: guy's name, the big Clowney, Clowney, Jadeveon, Clowney, guys like

905
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: that who have some cache with just their name to

906
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: go out there and say, wow, that guy can play.

907
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: You may be able to get one of the two

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00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: of those guys to come in for that. If the

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00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: bills were in, I would say they could if they

910
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: were in a stronger cap position. They're right at the

911
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: number right now. Yeah, it's a little dicey and what

912
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: happens over the next couple of weeks, whether they can

913
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: restructure some guys, whether they just out and out release

914
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: some guys where they sit with a cap Unless they've

915
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: got fifteen to twenty five million in cap space, you're

916
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Speaker 1: not going to see them even make a play in

917
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Speaker 1: the secondary market. It'll Yeah, I don't think super team

918
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: is where they're going to be able to land. But

919
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: if they can just get one or two upgrades at

920
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Speaker 1: maybe a slightly reduced price, they still are probably going

921
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: to have to make some difficult decisions and move a

922
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Speaker 1: player or two off their roster or at the very

923
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Speaker 1: least restructure a player or two. You think about it,

924
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: you got to understand what dollars are going out and

925
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: what dollars you can bring in as a result and

926
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Speaker 1: budget accordingly, we especially knowing what's down the line with

927
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Speaker 1: our previous discussion Alan Edmonds people like that, and he

928
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: also got to know two, you gotta look at the

929
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: roster as it sits now with the free agents they're

930
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: looking at right in the faith the guys they like,

931
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Speaker 1: like Daryl Williams and John Feliciano and Brian Winters, and

932
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: like Bud Curt and Tian Secki. They've got holes in

933
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: their roster now, even though they've got enough guy you know,

934
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Speaker 1: they got fifty fifty four, their top fifty one guys

935
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: on the roster. Those aren't the fifty one guys. You

936
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Speaker 1: want to be your top fifty one one, you need

937
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: eight or ten offensive linemen. They don't have them. So

938
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Speaker 1: they got to go out and spend on that first.

939
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Speaker 1: So people, and I would I'd encourage people, you know,

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Speaker 1: Bills fans look at the roster where they need to

941
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: be because when in free age and see they've got

942
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: to fill out their roster with guys they think they

943
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: if in a pinch without a training camp or whatever,

944
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: they go to the season with these guys because they're veterans,

945
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: at least they'd know they wouldn't be bereft of any

946
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: way to put a competitive team out there. That's where

947
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Speaker 1: they want to get in free agency, which means to me,

948
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: they're not gonna talk to their defensive linemen out there.

949
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: They're not gonna talk to pass rushers. Maybe JJ Watt

950
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: is in the mix because of who he is, But

951
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna talk to guys. They're gonna talk to offensive

952
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: lineman on that list. They're gonna talk to guards and tackles.

953
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna talk to linebackers. If they're gonna lose Milano,

954
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: they're gonna talk to guys like that because they got

955
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: to fill their roster out in order to get to

956
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: a point where they can draft the best player on

957
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: the board in April. So that's the free agent market

958
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna be looking at. It's gonna be offensive linemen, linebackers, guys,

959
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: and maybe a second corner that kind of thing. So

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00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: don't look for them to wash out or rint through

961
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: the roster at a position they've already got enough guys

962
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: to play. Yeah, we know this offseason is going to

963
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: be different in many ways. With this restrictive cap. You

964
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: have to wonder if it will in fact create a

965
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: situation for a team or two to do just what

966
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: we described. You can make the argument that's what Tampa

967
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: Bay did last year, scooped up a bunch of guys

968
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: after Brady. Granted they had the allure of Brady to

969
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: convince some guys to come in cheap. Not every team

970
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: has that luxury, but they kind of arguably assembled a

971
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: super team and it won them a Super Bowl. That's

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Speaker 1: all the time we have for this week. May sure

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