Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel So and you're listening to Climbing
Speaker 1: in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration and fun.
Speaker 1: I woke up with a bad headache today that could
Speaker 1: be a result of my life.
Speaker 2: We had a beautiful dinner. Rachel gave us all a
Speaker 2: beautiful gift.
Speaker 3: Yes, her little.
Speaker 2: Tradition with us, and we all love it and it's
Speaker 2: so fun and it's like, really, I feel like the one.
Speaker 2: I mean, we do try to get together a couple
Speaker 2: times throughout the year, but the holiday dinner is always
Speaker 2: like the one that nobody misses, everyone comes to.
Speaker 3: And it was Lifers and it was Lifers.
Speaker 1: A few new Lifers like Madison, newest addition to.
Speaker 3: The Lifers I know, but such a good addition. I
Speaker 3: have the Lifer Crew. And you know, my thing is,
Speaker 3: I think the.
Speaker 1: Days of like the loud disco embarrassingly drunk one employee
Speaker 1: ends up falling on their face and hating themselves the
Speaker 1: next day.
Speaker 2: Guys, if we were like legally able to tell you
Speaker 2: some of the ship that has gone down at Rachel's
Speaker 2: o inc Christmas.
Speaker 1: Party, by the way, it was never me.
Speaker 3: Let's be very clear.
Speaker 2: Yes, no, no, no, it was never you. It was
Speaker 2: never ever you, It was never ever me. But there
Speaker 2: have been characters throughout the years that have.
Speaker 1: Yes embarrassed themselves. Yeah, fallen asleep at the party, woke
Speaker 1: up the next day.
Speaker 3: Well, I shouldn't say fallen asleep, blacked.
Speaker 2: Out, blacked out, or there was there was a broken
Speaker 2: shoe incident one year that I'll never forget.
Speaker 3: Pake out, there was a makeup.
Speaker 2: There was a there was a makeout with an audience.
Speaker 3: There was a makeout with an audience.
Speaker 2: So yes, we did our holiday dinner and it was
Speaker 2: very tame and responsible.
Speaker 3: And also like lovely maybe my favorite one. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was perfect.
Speaker 1: It was my peopil, It was real, it was fun.
Speaker 1: I have the most loyal, dedicated team slash extended family
Speaker 1: that is by my side through all the crazy, all
Speaker 1: the crazy, and I will say this, the only way
Speaker 1: I know how to think them is with diamonds, and
Speaker 1: this year it was with ring Concierge diamond and quite
Speaker 1: literally a ring, a diamond wrap ring.
Speaker 3: It's out pretty and it's gorgeous. I have mine on
Speaker 3: right now. It's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: I actually have my other ring that Rachel gave me
Speaker 2: also and Rachel and I always laugh because it has
Speaker 2: three little stones in it, so we always pretend to
Speaker 2: We're like doing a jewelry ad and it's our past,
Speaker 2: present and future is No.
Speaker 3: It was beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yes, we are all so, so so lucky that Rachel
Speaker 2: loves to give gift diamonds. When she says that she
Speaker 2: likes to give jewelry.
Speaker 3: She's not lying. I'm not lying. She definitely backs that up.
Speaker 2: Okay, So how are you feeling in the midst of
Speaker 2: We're halfway through December. You have an invitation to go
Speaker 2: out every night, sometimes two invitations in one night.
Speaker 3: You're halfway through? How you doing? How you holding up?
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because they say it's so. I
Speaker 1: hesitate to sound in any way that I'm complaining because
Speaker 1: I know how blessed I am, and I know how
Speaker 1: beautiful all these events are, and I don't ever take
Speaker 1: that for granted. But sometimes, you know, because I am
Speaker 1: a person that really prides myself on showing up, yep,
Speaker 1: it's sometimes, you know, you just kind of want to
Speaker 1: stay home in a bathrobe and yeah, do nothing, And
Speaker 1: so I think, I think, but I do love celebrating everyone,
Speaker 1: and I do love a fun night and being with
Speaker 1: people I adore and I never regret it, and I
Speaker 1: always come home with a big smile on my face,
Speaker 1: and I always What I do find is, especially this year,
Speaker 1: pushing myself to go has really served me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wake up with a smile on my face instead
Speaker 1: of being stuck in where I was emotionally the night before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's smart, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I recommend that for people if they're sort
Speaker 1: of contemplating the like should I should not? I'm too tired,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like getting dressed up. I think the
Speaker 1: thing you need to ask yourself is are the people
Speaker 1: that you're going to be with? People that you want
Speaker 1: to spend your time with in, people that make you
Speaker 1: feel better and don't feel like an obligation, and people
Speaker 1: that you're excited about. And I think that that will
Speaker 1: serve you and make you feel full.
Speaker 3: It's so true, you know, it's so true.
Speaker 2: I think, Well, you you just you're very lucky to
Speaker 2: have a wonderful group of girlfriends that a lot of
Speaker 2: these invites for a lot of these holiday things are
Speaker 2: through your personal.
Speaker 3: Get friends and friendships.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I heard Reese Witherspoon say on a podcast
Speaker 2: once that like, there you know, friendship is a system
Speaker 2: of deposits and withdrawal, and yes, that the end of
Speaker 2: the year is a good time to reflect back and
Speaker 2: take a look at like what you feel like, Ye,
Speaker 2: your checking account for friendship is like who's withdrawing a lot.
Speaker 3: Without depositing and vice versa.
Speaker 2: And that analogy just always works for me because it
Speaker 2: makes it very simple to see like who's matching.
Speaker 3: Your energy and who's showing up for you and vice versa.
Speaker 3: I would agree with that, Yes, I would agree with that.
Speaker 1: And I think that Reese, I find myself sort of
Speaker 1: like you know, you get served different things on Instagram,
Speaker 1: like based on what you're thinking or saying. I find
Speaker 1: that I get served Reese things very often and Oprah
Speaker 1: things very often. And I'm like, yes, yes, exactly, I agree.
Speaker 1: And I think my favorite quote from Reese was like
Speaker 1: the sooner you learn to give zero fox, the happier
Speaker 1: you will be yep, And.
Speaker 2: She's yes, that I do think is a blessing of
Speaker 2: getting older.
Speaker 1: Like I agree with that because I wouldn't know, because
Speaker 1: not getting older.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't know because you're actually Benjamin Button over here.
Speaker 2: But I do think that is just That's one of
Speaker 2: the luxuries of experience in life is that you can
Speaker 2: give less fucks and.
Speaker 3: And really mean it.
Speaker 2: You know, I can say I don't and then I'm
Speaker 2: secretly like, oh, but I really.
Speaker 3: Care what they think about me. I think it's not
Speaker 3: true to do so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're only human. Okay, you started to say this,
Speaker 2: but your is this true? You're hosting a group of
Speaker 2: eleven year olds? Hi, I am on top of your schedule?
Speaker 3: I am, I am.
Speaker 1: I've opted to host fifteen eleven year old boy oh
Speaker 1: my at my house on Friday.
Speaker 3: Okay, that'll be fun.
Speaker 2: We're going to celebrate Kayus's birthday. That's that's the that's
Speaker 2: the party, right.
Speaker 1: I would like everyone to know that in his now
Speaker 1: eleven year life, I'm going to say six of the
Speaker 1: eleven years, the party has been postponed due to weather
Speaker 1: or illness.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: Yes, So I enter the part kind of knowing in
Speaker 1: my mind there is in ninety percent chance this is
Speaker 1: being moved till after the New year.
Speaker 3: There's a backup date. Yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that. I feel like two or three
Speaker 2: years in a row. Porcius woke up with like a
Speaker 2: fever on a birthday party. And that was like and
Speaker 2: that was even like before COVID times. You are still
Speaker 2: super hyper.
Speaker 3: No, it's I mean we're in six season. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, knockwood knock would knock everything. Everything's going to be fine,
Speaker 1: knock at all. It's going to be fab. This episode
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Speaker 2: Okay, today, I thought we would bring people some fashion
Speaker 2: news that they need to know. Okay, So I want
Speaker 2: to kick things off with arguably your maybe most favorite
Speaker 2: fashion designer of all time, which is John Galliano.
Speaker 3: Yes he is.
Speaker 1: He is in my top five, he's in your top five,
Speaker 1: and he likely top three, but yes, let's just say
Speaker 1: top five arguments safe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think he's like top three for sure.
Speaker 2: But he is leaving Mason Marcella.
Speaker 3: After ten years, after a decade.
Speaker 1: And for anyone who doesn't know, because I do recognize
Speaker 1: that fashion is still inside baseball. He was the mastermind,
Speaker 1: genius behind Christian Do you're for? I don't know how
Speaker 1: long he was at dor a lot in the late
Speaker 1: nineties until ten years ago, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he moved over to Massa Margella, and
Speaker 2: now he is leaving. They have not named the predecessor.
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine, because this is where fashion plays
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 3: Yep, who's landing?
Speaker 2: There?
Speaker 3: Yet there? Who's landing? It's like the Tetris game.
Speaker 1: But it's a very it's a very specific brand, yeah, Jella,
Speaker 1: And it's not it's not something where you say, oh,
Speaker 1: who is a designer that just makes beautiful gowns or
Speaker 1: you know, seventies glamor or it's not that, it's it's
Speaker 1: a very unique, distinct, eccentric, very unpredictable brand.
Speaker 3: Yes, Marcialla, perfect way to destroy it. Okay, So if
Speaker 3: you're John Galliano, what would what do you do next?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: What do you do next? Take a long vacation.
Speaker 2: But those those those got those designers never retire, They
Speaker 2: don't stop.
Speaker 3: You're you're correct about that. Carl Lagerfeld worked till he passed.
Speaker 3: Life's the thing.
Speaker 1: There are a very very small, finite group a brilliant
Speaker 1: masterminds of fashion, and we've lost some of them. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I would say there is a vast difference between
Speaker 1: a brilliant designer creative director then a brilliant literal Uh,
Speaker 1: it's beyond an artist. It's like the it's like the Michelangelo,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's like the prolific, almost surreal mindset,
Speaker 1: like a psychology of a certain type of mind, like
Speaker 1: Carlagerfeld and like John Galliano. These people sketch in their sleeps.
Speaker 1: In their sleep they literally wake up in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night and sketch like ten things.
Speaker 3: Throw it on the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe it gets made, maybe it doesn't, maybe
Speaker 1: a dog eats it.
Speaker 3: Who the frick knows, But they have to get it out.
Speaker 1: And so I think those minds have to always be celebrated,
Speaker 1: and I think they're hard to replace. So you have
Speaker 1: to know you're never going to get the same thing.
Speaker 1: You're never going to There's no there is no like
Speaker 1: minded John Galliano.
Speaker 3: I'm here to say that, right, Yeah, there's no.
Speaker 2: There's no like protege like no, but like specific.
Speaker 1: That's not to say that there isn't another one being
Speaker 1: grown out of Central Saint Martin's or f I T
Speaker 1: Or Parson or you know, anywhere. It doesn't mean it
Speaker 1: won't exist, they won't exist. It just means there. It's
Speaker 1: not often.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a rare ty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure he, like you said, he will work
Speaker 2: and sketch until he is no longer with us.
Speaker 3: Yes, I would agree with that.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting. I don't I don't know what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen to him. I don't know. Oh my god, he's
Speaker 1: probably going to Chanel.
Speaker 3: Did that just click in your brain? Do you think
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Would it be a good fit in your opinion, it
Speaker 2: would make Chanelle definitely more out of the box.
Speaker 3: Grittier. Yeah, yeah, a little darker, perhaps more dramatic. Perhaps
Speaker 3: my brain is so swarling, I know.
Speaker 1: It just seems kind of wild that John Galliano would
Speaker 1: be leaving Martiella.
Speaker 2: Well, Chanelle is away conveniently looking Wow, stay tuned. Have
Speaker 2: to do another fashion news you need to know update. Okay,
Speaker 2: this morning WWD and Beauty Inc Awards were held and
Speaker 2: our buddy friend of the podcast, Bobby Brown, won the
Speaker 2: Pete Bourne Impact Award.
Speaker 3: Which is so cool.
Speaker 2: You actually just I feel like this was like a
Speaker 2: day ago, or maybe yesterday. You received some Jones Road products.
Speaker 2: I saw Jones Road's amazing, is amazing. I mean, Bobby
Speaker 2: Brown's a force.
Speaker 1: I mean and truthfully, you know, I'm so impressed with
Speaker 1: her because she built her own brand, sold her brand,
Speaker 1: built a new brand.
Speaker 3: I mean, she's done like twice in a major way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also like I'm here to tell you that building
Speaker 1: any brand is impossible. I don't want to say impossible,
Speaker 1: but always challenging.
Speaker 3: Not easy.
Speaker 2: No. Yeah, So Bobby Brown was given an award, and
Speaker 2: also there was a special.
Speaker 3: Newcomer award this year for Blake Lively. She's on fire
Speaker 3: for Blake Brown Beauty, which is.
Speaker 2: Right now hair products. But yeah, she was there to
Speaker 2: accept her Newcomer Award in the beauty space.
Speaker 3: She's a force, Blake Lively.
Speaker 2: She is.
Speaker 3: She went and popped out four kids.
Speaker 1: Yep, seemingly overnight, although clearly I'm sure if you asked her,
Speaker 1: it was definitely not overnight. She's strikingly beautiful.
Speaker 3: She has a beverage company.
Speaker 1: She has a beverage and Betty Buzz that's correct and
Speaker 1: now beauty And now you know, I think the thing
Speaker 1: with Blake. You know, listen, I am such.
Speaker 3: An advocate and I will.
Speaker 1: I am here to say now that my next podcast
Speaker 1: is going to be about the independence of women and
Speaker 1: how to create it and how I demand it, how
Speaker 1: I insist on it, and how it will ultimately save
Speaker 1: you in every aspect of your life. Yes, and I
Speaker 1: have a tremendous amount of respect for Blake because I
Speaker 1: think many people probably lifted her as crushing it as
Speaker 1: Serena Vanderwoods in for whatever it was eight years of
Speaker 1: that show gossip Girl, that little show, and I think
Speaker 1: people were like, Oh, that'll be the end of her.
Speaker 1: She's just this beautiful whatever, and she went on to
Speaker 1: do major roles, still doing major roles, marrying and seemingly
Speaker 1: both incredibly in love and have a very powerful marriage.
Speaker 1: They are absolutely in love with each other and.
Speaker 3: Like America's sweetheart yes plural yes, and have born four kids.
Speaker 2: Insane and I mean she's so smart, because who doesn't
Speaker 2: want Blake Lively's hair.
Speaker 3: I do, It's gorgeous. I would like, I hear.
Speaker 1: But I'd also like Blake Lively's anything. I take the height,
Speaker 1: I take the hair, I'd take the bone structure. I'm
Speaker 1: here for it. I'd take three of her girls because
Speaker 1: I think has.
Speaker 3: Three she does. I think she has one boy, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: baby's a boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah's so sweet.
Speaker 2: So love that up for Blake, and I'm dying to
Speaker 2: try for products like I feel like Blake doing hair
Speaker 2: is sure makes as much sense as Jennifer Anna.
Speaker 3: I've been doing hair because Joan Anistan with hair. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, these women have the best heads in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: Okay, Rachel, you sent me this story last night, and
Speaker 2: I think it's very interesting because I would love for
Speaker 2: you to share with our listeners a little bit more
Speaker 2: about sort of the CEOs behind this. Yeah, but Skims,
Speaker 2: you've heard of that? If you've heard of that, Yes,
Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian brand, Skims is opening a flagship store in
Speaker 2: New York on Fifth Avenue, which is if you're going
Speaker 2: to open retail, that's just sort of the holy dream,
Speaker 2: the mecca of American brick and mortar, So the dream.
Speaker 3: She did an article in WWD with.
Speaker 2: Yen's and I'll let you share about Yen's and his
Speaker 2: genius and his wife and talk about another fashion power couple.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a power couple that exist that
Speaker 1: I'm aware of in the fashion industry. Maybe Bernard or Noau. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I would say that.
Speaker 3: The there is a.
Speaker 1: Husband and wife duo that I have been lucky enough
Speaker 1: to call friends actually before they became the powerhouse duo
Speaker 1: they are. And I've watched them build their careers simultaneously,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, independently and together, launching their own brands separate
Speaker 1: and then and then coming together. I met Yen's as
Speaker 1: the co founder of Framed Denim, which is a very
Speaker 1: successful denim and contemporary brand, genius Marketers, absolutely genius marketers,
Speaker 1: uh Yen's and his partner then Eric Torstensen, who still
Speaker 1: is running Frame, and then Yen's and Emma moved to
Speaker 1: the States from the UK, married two kids, now have
Speaker 1: four and literally Emma created Good American along with Chloe
Speaker 1: Kardashian to unbelievable success, unbelievable success, and YenS then founded
Speaker 1: Skims with Kim and Chris and the whole thing. And
Speaker 1: Emma also has the Safely brand with Chris, which is
Speaker 1: household cleaners, non toxic cleaners, and the list goes on.
Speaker 1: They have their hands in many things their public in
Speaker 1: terms of they speak, they mentor. Emma's been on Shark
Speaker 1: Tank multiple times. YenS is, I'm going to say the
Speaker 1: Silent Powerhouse only because I feel like, well, Kim brings
Speaker 1: him and shows him and does photoshoots with him and whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, I think when you're sitting next to Kim,
Speaker 1: it's hard for you know, I think it's yeah, and
Speaker 1: also YenS is not there to get the attention. But no,
Speaker 1: ye know, I would say the attention needs to go there,
Speaker 1: some of it.
Speaker 2: And Kim's I mean, I'm sure our listeners have seen
Speaker 2: it and are aware. But their marketing campaigns are also.
Speaker 1: Just genius genius, And they have just launched, literally yesterday,
Speaker 1: a collaboration with the north Face, which you know, I'm
Speaker 1: a skier and you know you don't have to be
Speaker 1: a skier to love north Face. You can be in
Speaker 1: anything person who's cold, But in ski life it's a
Speaker 1: big it's a big, big thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But it was funny because I just hop into, like
Speaker 1: click on it to just you know, just be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I wonder if they have my size or I just
Speaker 1: want to see how much it is or whatever. I mean,
Speaker 1: sold out in twenty seconds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like out but like an hour. Yeah not even
Speaker 3: I don't even think it makes it an hour, probably not,
Speaker 3: probably not.
Speaker 1: And in fact, I think their slogan is when they
Speaker 1: post a collab or like a launch or drop, they
Speaker 1: just go.
Speaker 3: Join the waitlist.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's not like get yours, it's joined the books. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get in line late, how to succeed in business?
Speaker 3: Join the weight list. I love that. How do you
Speaker 3: know when you're winning?
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the new name of your new new podcast
Speaker 2: book and.
Speaker 3: Join the weightlist.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, Skims continuing to do big things.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to go to the Flagship store in
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 3: How cool? How amazing.
Speaker 2: Also this week big Hollywood news, the Golden Globe nominations
Speaker 2: came out. Oh my god, and there are some very
Speaker 2: familiar names on the list.
Speaker 1: This is both fimbing and heels. Yes, Sarah and Aaron
Speaker 1: Foster and the show No Want Producers, creators and producers
Speaker 1: and writer yes of nobody wants this and.
Speaker 3: The massive Netflix hit.
Speaker 2: I'm sure if you're listening to this, you probably listened
Speaker 2: to Aaron and Sarah and watched that show. Because it's amazing.
Speaker 2: It was the return of the rom calm.
Speaker 1: It really and I think that it could not have
Speaker 1: come at a better time. Yes, I don't think any
Speaker 1: of us needed a rom com more than right now.
Speaker 3: I know I didn't.
Speaker 2: There was such an appetite for it. There they're already
Speaker 2: like hard at work back in the writer's room for
Speaker 2: season two. But yes, so the show got recognized for
Speaker 2: Best Comedy for a Golden Globe, and then Kristen Bell
Speaker 2: and Adam Brody were nominated for their performances in the show.
Speaker 2: So this brings me to a question for you. Yes, okay,
Speaker 2: Sarah and Aaron. If you're listening to this right now,
Speaker 2: No you're not. If Sarah and Aaron were to let's say,
Speaker 2: I don't know, need help getting dressed.
Speaker 3: I don't know. We'll call it styling. I don't know
Speaker 3: for something like that. Would you of course? Would you? Okay,
Speaker 3: of course, all right, you heard it here.
Speaker 1: I don't shut down my friends, but they don't need it.
Speaker 1: They can custom make favorite Daughter friend.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they could.
Speaker 2: But let's just say that they want a little Rachel
Speaker 2: so Red carpet match. Sure it's gonna be Rachel's returned
Speaker 2: to the Globe's carpet.
Speaker 1: You know, I show up for my friends, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, listen, they really deserve this. And I've kind
Speaker 1: of been here to see, you know, Aarin kind of
Speaker 1: you know, just watch these girls kind of create this
Speaker 1: show and the stream.
Speaker 3: And it's not easy.
Speaker 1: You know, it took a long time, and I think
Speaker 1: to just see it gets so recognized in such a
Speaker 1: controversial topic. By the way, I think part of the
Speaker 1: genius that can't go under like unrecognized and appreciated is
Speaker 1: that it is a controversial topic for many people. And
Speaker 1: I think the fact that she was able to make
Speaker 1: it light enough and funny enough that everyone loved it.
Speaker 3: Sure, that is so hard. Yeah, and I.
Speaker 1: Will say that Kristen Fell playing Aaron is one of
Speaker 1: the greatest things ever.
Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah. And one may argue she wasn't playing Aaron,
Speaker 3: but she was totally playing it, right.
Speaker 2: A version of a version of Aaron, an alternate universe
Speaker 2: and version your.
Speaker 3: En Foster is not easy.
Speaker 1: I'm here to say no, she's a very complex individual.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, all good.
Speaker 1: Things, and she's one of the funniest people I know.
Speaker 1: But I think that's why it's so hard. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: comedy is hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of other a lot of
Speaker 2: other names you know and love were also nominated.
Speaker 3: Demi Moore yep, Naomi wa yep. I know. I'm so
Speaker 3: excited about that. So yeah, the Golden Globes is going
Speaker 3: to be fun to watch this year. Was Nicole Kidman nomination?
Speaker 3: She was right? I mean, like she's always nominated.
Speaker 1: She I mean she doesn't stop working dresses. Do you
Speaker 1: think Nicole Kidman has worn in her career?
Speaker 3: That's a really good question.
Speaker 1: I think I should take a poll for like carpet
Speaker 1: all for our listeners. Yeah, how many red carpet looks
Speaker 1: do you think Nicole Kidman has worn in her career?
Speaker 2: God, you would have to figure out some sort of
Speaker 2: monthly mass of how many is she doing a month?
Speaker 3: Right, we have to think about it. And I mean
Speaker 3: she's decades long successful now, she.
Speaker 1: Gets nominated every time she opens her mouth. Sure, fair,
Speaker 1: and she should on a screen.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, because she's like one of the greatest living
Speaker 2: out of all time in my opinion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think in anyone's opinion.
Speaker 2: Moving to our next story, talking about somebody who is
Speaker 2: nominated for everything and and wins a lot of awards
Speaker 2: and is at the tippy tippy tippy tippy top of
Speaker 2: her career.
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift, Oh my god, closed the Aras tour. I
Speaker 3: mean this week after two years. I feel like this
Speaker 3: is a pop culture episode. It is okay, so.
Speaker 2: But some factoids for you. The Aras tour spanned over
Speaker 2: two years long. They're the total.
Speaker 3: Three and a half hours on stage every night.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was like I think the show typically went
Speaker 2: three hours, fifteen minutes, twenty minutes something like that, between
Speaker 2: forty four and forty eight songs every night.
Speaker 3: Or every show.
Speaker 2: Do you know how sick that is ticket sales grossed
Speaker 2: over two billion dollars, and just ticket revenue.
Speaker 3: That's mental. That's not much.
Speaker 2: That's anything else that's mental. And this was my favorite
Speaker 2: fashion tie in. She wore over two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: custom pairs of Christian Lubaton shoes during the span of
Speaker 2: the aras tour.
Speaker 3: Insane.
Speaker 1: You know, here's what I want to say about Taylor Swift. Okay,
Speaker 1: because this is interesting and you know this already, Mary,
Speaker 1: I I'm embarrassingly late to the t Swift thing, right.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think if you're a grown up, which
Speaker 1: I consider myself to be most of the time, I think,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to say this, but because I
Speaker 1: don't have girls that are Swifties, or or a son
Speaker 1: that's obsessed with Taylor Swift, or any child in my
Speaker 1: household that is like a soul obsessed with the music
Speaker 1: or right, So it's not like I have it going
Speaker 1: in my house all day, right, correct, So in all fairness,
Speaker 1: I am a late Swiftie.
Speaker 3: Okay, now that's valid.
Speaker 1: I have been fortunate enough to have met her several times.
Speaker 1: She is one of the kindest, incredibly tall people but
Speaker 1: she was also one of the very first supporters of
Speaker 1: my collection, and yep she was. Joseph Cassell, her stylist,
Speaker 1: pulled the Rachel Zoe collection, and I very clearly remember
Speaker 1: Taylor wearing my jumpsuit, my romper. I think the tuxedo
Speaker 1: mini dress, I think that Jalo wore early on. But
Speaker 1: what I want to say is I am obsessed with her.
Speaker 1: And I want to say that because it's not even
Speaker 1: it's so above and beyond the music, because I think
Speaker 1: her music's undoubtedly, unquestionably amazing.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I think originally I had thought, Okay, if I was
Speaker 1: fourteen or younger, then I know every word or whatever.
Speaker 3: The reality of it is.
Speaker 1: She is by far and away the greatest role model,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, in pop culture for girls of.
Speaker 3: Any age, for women.
Speaker 1: She is one of the hardest working people I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: She's one of the kindest, most gracious kind.
Speaker 2: And she gave out over one hundred million dollars in bonuses,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, cash to the crew.
Speaker 3: Yeah I saw that.
Speaker 1: And she continuously makes me happy, meaning in her decision making,
Speaker 1: in how she uses her voice, in how she speaks
Speaker 1: for girls and women, in how she writes her music
Speaker 1: and how true she is to herself, to owning mistakes,
Speaker 1: to trying to teach people to learn from what she's done,
Speaker 1: for better or for worse. I just have tremendous respect
Speaker 1: for her, so like taking the music out of it,
Speaker 1: and yes, I love that, but I love her. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think she's fantastic, and I think that she has
Speaker 1: come into her own as giving zero fox and even
Speaker 1: if she does give fucks, she is so on top
Speaker 1: of the world that she should give no fucks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, live her life on her tour.
Speaker 3: I'm excited for her to take a break.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know she needs a long ass vacation,
Speaker 1: but she's not the type to do it.
Speaker 3: She'll take a week.
Speaker 2: No, Well, she still has more re recorded albums to drop,
Speaker 2: so of course she does. She's never done like that
Speaker 2: John Galliano type, right, And.
Speaker 3: That's my point.
Speaker 1: She's prolific in music the same way these people are
Speaker 1: in fashion or in anything else, you know, medical, you
Speaker 1: know doctors and researchers who just keep.
Speaker 3: Cranking out more and more and more and more. That like,
Speaker 3: there is a thirst for what she does.
Speaker 1: There's a passion that clearly polarizes her whole being, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's through writing and everything else. And I think
Speaker 1: she uses her music as therapy. And I think I
Speaker 1: think she genuinely just lives and dies for what she does.
Speaker 1: And I think the impact that she's had when you
Speaker 1: look at these girls crying, and you look at these girls,
Speaker 1: you know, dressed as her and boys, honestly, it's really
Speaker 1: she's incredibly impressive. Yes, I was also very late to
Speaker 1: the Harry Styles thing too, Yeah you were.
Speaker 3: I was. I was sure I needed to do I
Speaker 3: was I needed to start you with Harry earlier. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm bound you for that. I know. Well, we love you, Harry.
Speaker 1: Now I'm sifty, now I'm a swiftie and and obsessed
Speaker 1: with Harry Styles.
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about another icon legend in music and in
Speaker 2: fashion and in pop culture that does not stop working,
Speaker 2: iconic Dolly Parton. Dolly Parton just went on a podcast
Speaker 2: and said, so a fun fact about Dolly, I am
Speaker 2: sort of like obsessed with her being a starton girl.
Speaker 2: She's been married for nearly sixty years. She has a
Speaker 2: husband named Carl Dean that literally nobody sees like he's
Speaker 2: not in the public.
Speaker 3: I literally didn't know a husband exactly. Most people do
Speaker 3: not know she's married.
Speaker 2: So in this podcast interview, she said that she seemed
Speaker 2: like the tape that would be married.
Speaker 3: She's so dedicated to her music being Dolly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is got so dedicated to Dolly that yeah,
Speaker 2: well she does talk about that's, you know, a decision
Speaker 2: why she decided not to have children. It's because she
Speaker 2: was like, I didn't I didn't know how to do both.
Speaker 2: But anyways, so she did an interview and said that
Speaker 2: she talked her husband Carl into going to this red
Speaker 2: carpet event with her, and he had such a terrible
Speaker 2: time and was so uncomfortable and just doesn't like the attention,
Speaker 2: doesn't like being in the business like that. That he
Speaker 2: has not attended an event with her since nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 3: That's the sickest thing ever.
Speaker 2: So Dolly since nineteen sixty seven has done every carpet
Speaker 2: oh alone. But you know, every award show, every Grammy,
Speaker 2: every everything. Good for her and good for him, right
Speaker 2: because parly it works. Good for him to know he
Speaker 2: doesn't like it and is confident in that decision, and
Speaker 2: good for her to accept that from him and respect
Speaker 2: that boundary. Respect that boundary. I would be maybe, Dolly,
Speaker 2: I'll see you when I get home.
Speaker 3: I would be a nightmare. I'd be like, why woul't you?
Speaker 3: I would ruin lives.
Speaker 1: You have a look at me. Yeah, maybe there's something
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, No, I mean separate church and state.
Speaker 3: But I think so like that.
Speaker 2: I think the point she was driving home was it
Speaker 2: works for us, and clearly it's that that separation.
Speaker 3: I think she's even quoted as saying we're not in
Speaker 3: each other's faces.
Speaker 2: All the time, and I think it's a good thing.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really knowledgeable take away. A lot of.
Speaker 1: People like that in the industry, where you know, relationships
Speaker 1: are that's a whole nother podcast. Yeah, I would say
Speaker 1: relationships are such that I think you have to the
Speaker 1: ones that last the longest, I think are the ones
Speaker 1: where the the partners respect each other's wishes and boundaries
Speaker 1: of how they are happiest and most comfortable. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I think the minute you try to pull them over
Speaker 1: to a place they're not, there's just going to be
Speaker 1: consequences of that. Yeah, And it may not be immediate,
Speaker 1: it may be Yeah, that's a good point. You know,
Speaker 1: so I get it. I think I think Dolly's onto something.
Speaker 2: I think she's very much onto something. She's i mean, iconic,
Speaker 2: and I love her. I just love that she gave
Speaker 2: the advice of we're not in each other's faces, We're
Speaker 2: to still look by Okay. Our final story is I
Speaker 2: know that you have seen, because how can you get
Speaker 2: away from it? That Wicked has done the most massive
Speaker 2: of press tours, Oh my god, with Ariana Grund and
Speaker 2: Cynthia Rivo and they, I mean they were starting this
Speaker 2: bubble of marketing back at like the met Galo and
Speaker 2: they went.
Speaker 1: Literally so and I'm so slow with these things because
Speaker 1: I'm not like a theater.
Speaker 3: Yes, you're not a theater nerd. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I was raised as one, yes, because my parents are
Speaker 1: such theater nerds.
Speaker 2: And and by the way, didn't you low key grow
Speaker 2: up with Adina Menzel?
Speaker 3: I did, Okay, I did well.
Speaker 1: I met her in my freshman year of college because
Speaker 1: my best friend that went to n YU was her
Speaker 1: best friend and roommate, I think, so we became close
Speaker 1: and we the.
Speaker 2: Iconic and I founded the role of Alphaba on Broadway.
Speaker 1: Literally, and you know, we used to go see a
Speaker 1: Dina perform at like what is it called, like the
Speaker 1: Red Bull in like all these like West Village, Greenwich Village,
Speaker 1: like dive bars. And I remember like sitting there at
Speaker 1: like one am while she was singing at the top
Speaker 1: for lungs, like the most beautiful voice you ever heard,
Speaker 1: and we would all look at each other.
Speaker 3: Like why isn't she on Broadway? Why isn't she winning Tony's?
Speaker 2: And then I'm sure she got Rent and like that's exactly,
Speaker 2: and we all went to see the very first night
Speaker 2: of Rent, Wow.
Speaker 1: With tid digs and the whole thing and oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't remember one's name. Had him Pascal, I want
Speaker 1: to say, maybe? And Rent was beyond and then you know,
Speaker 1: and then and then they were all born into into
Speaker 1: it and you know, and then Wicked and the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and then came Wicked and Frozen and the thing.
Speaker 3: And now this pressed for that's just massive.
Speaker 2: And what I wanted you to talk about because I'm
Speaker 2: curious your take on it is. I feel like the
Speaker 2: women so Ariana and Cynthia.
Speaker 3: Dosion and not look like a doll to you. Yeah
Speaker 3: she does. She's like a beautiful.
Speaker 1: Little she looks like this little porcelain doll. To me,
Speaker 1: she almost doesn't seem real.
Speaker 2: It's like, that's why she's the perfect Linda, because it's
Speaker 2: the same as when you see kristin Chenowi. They look
Speaker 2: like the little daughter and then they sing and you're like, holy,
Speaker 2: where does that come from?
Speaker 3: Grandi's voice is not human.
Speaker 2: It's it's so beautiful, and she does such a great
Speaker 2: job as Glinda, and so.
Speaker 3: You cannot wait to see it. It's so good, you're
Speaker 3: gonna love it.
Speaker 2: But what I noticed from the carpet was which I
Speaker 2: feel like is a new a newer take on what
Speaker 2: stylists or publicists or the powers that be that are
Speaker 2: marketing these films are doing, which is they're having the
Speaker 2: leads dress in a reflective or direct way as the character.
Speaker 2: And it started with Barbie and Margo, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: that's where it sort of first started. And there's this
Speaker 2: massive trend. So like you've seen Cynthia Rivo in like
Speaker 2: basically all green gowns. You see Arianna in all pink
Speaker 2: and sort of fairy like ethereal looks.
Speaker 1: Don't forget Deadpool and Wolverine, and don't forget Dune right,
Speaker 1: don't forget the thematic like Zendaya coming out in that
Speaker 1: like crazy outfit for a movie like Robots, Yes, and
Speaker 1: then and then Blake Lively again like coming out in
Speaker 1: the Wolf Uh was it the Wolverine?
Speaker 3: Cont Yeah, it was it was the her and she
Speaker 3: was gad they both She was dressed as Deadpool and
Speaker 3: was dressed as well.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm trying to remember that moment, but
Speaker 1: I just remember. I was like, huh, but.
Speaker 3: Listen, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's hard because I think it's it's
Speaker 1: a little bit. I can take it back to even
Speaker 1: like Austin Butler kind of coming out as Elvis with
Speaker 1: the voice, Oh yeah, with the voice and and kind
Speaker 1: of dressing and the press, the press so gnar about that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I know. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I think that with these actors, they are so deeply talented,
Speaker 1: and I think they have to become these characters for
Speaker 1: so long when they're filming kid, because we all see
Speaker 1: the finished product, right, They've been working on this for years. Oh,
Speaker 1: they have to be these people for what fourteen hours
Speaker 1: a day for years sometimes literally that I think they
Speaker 1: actually get confused of who they are in their identities,
Speaker 1: and I do think that that happens, and I think
Speaker 1: even Austin Butler came out and actually said that, yeah, and.
Speaker 3: I think that's had Shake and Elvis literally.
Speaker 1: But what I would say to that is I'm conflicted
Speaker 1: because I do like a nod to a theme. Sure,
Speaker 1: I do. I like a nod to a theme. I
Speaker 1: don't know that I love a literal a literal interpretation.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to take down anyone styling because
Speaker 1: I think it's all been quite historic and amazing like
Speaker 1: that it's working, its films are crushing Box Off Horrize,
Speaker 1: so but I think I like subtle nods typically more
Speaker 1: so I think in the Barbie sense, Like, because I'm
Speaker 1: such a Marco Robbie fan, it was hard for me
Speaker 1: to not to say, like, I don't love that. But
Speaker 1: I also was sort of like, can't we do a
Speaker 1: nod and not a literal, you know.
Speaker 3: Replicate in a way.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think it's sort of
Speaker 1: like the art continues, so it's like, yeah, I can
Speaker 1: really make a case for both. But I think in
Speaker 1: the case of Cynthia and Ariana, I think in the
Speaker 1: marketing of it all it clearly is working. I think
Speaker 1: it's still so nice because they clearly believe so much
Speaker 1: in their characters. And I think, look, the press Stoor
Speaker 1: is gonna end, It's all gonna end, and then they'll
Speaker 1: flip into their next characters.
Speaker 2: Well then, I mean there's Wicked Part two that they
Speaker 2: have coore so it's like, you know, it's never ending.
Speaker 2: But I was just was curious if what your thought was,
Speaker 2: because there is this it's a very apparent trend. Yes,
Speaker 2: giving the fans what they want, giving the people what
Speaker 2: they want, and paying less attention to Yeah, maybe even
Speaker 2: the individual actor or performers own you know, expression of
Speaker 2: whatever they seem fully game and wanting to.
Speaker 3: And I lean into that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do wonder, like I do wonder how
Speaker 1: much of it is orchestrated by the studios with them
Speaker 1: versus how much is created by the stylists along with them.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, those are the fashion news stories that you
Speaker 2: need to know. And I want to ask you one
Speaker 2: more question because I won't have an opportunity to do it,
Speaker 2: I don't think because we've got some great guests coming.
Speaker 3: Who is your best dressed cleb with the year, Oh
Speaker 3: my God, who is my and the year is not over? Dub, But.
Speaker 2: Who is right now? Or who are some of I'll
Speaker 2: say that so you don't have.
Speaker 3: To, I mean listen. Most definitely Nicole Kidman.
Speaker 1: Yes, because she really she very rarely gets it wrong
Speaker 1: for me. She very rarely gets it wrong for me.
Speaker 1: And there's something about how she carries herself in clothes,
Speaker 1: meaning she has this way that she moves her body
Speaker 1: like a swan, and she has the longest neck and
Speaker 1: the whole thing and the way that she's able to
Speaker 1: hold something. It could be the simplest like Valenciaga gown.
Speaker 1: There was this look that she wore to the Academy
Speaker 1: gala that I loved so much, yep. And it was
Speaker 1: like the gloves and the thing, and it was like
Speaker 1: a remake of this Valenciaga dress. And you know, I
Speaker 1: love someone who can flip a switch and do a
Speaker 1: black velvet dress, but also do like the crazier moment, right,
Speaker 1: But I do love someone who can wear it, you know.
Speaker 1: So I think Nicole, from the day she hit her
Speaker 1: very first red carpet, has always gotten it right.
Speaker 3: Yes, And I love it. I love that look so much.
Speaker 1: Who else you know, I think, I think, I think
Speaker 1: Carrie Washington. Yes, I have to say in my mind
Speaker 1: that I'm thinking of I don't think she's ever missed
Speaker 1: this year, like I actually think I was absolutely obsessed
Speaker 1: with everything that she's worn. And the thing with Carrie,
Speaker 1: what I've also loved is the hair and the makeup,
Speaker 1: with every look she's done, this real chameleon thing, which
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 3: I absolutely love your favorite newcomer. I think.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm a huge fan of Phoebe Denniver, Yes, from Bridgerton.
Speaker 3: If you're not familiar with her, she is, like.
Speaker 1: You know, Here's the thing. What I love about her
Speaker 1: is she actually goes above and beyond to keep every
Speaker 1: look true to her. She wears very little makeup's so
Speaker 1: she keeps everything so simple and subtle and elegant. Yes,
Speaker 1: and much more of an Audrey right like, much more
Speaker 1: of a elegant.
Speaker 3: Minimal dove swan like person.
Speaker 1: She reads very Ballerina vibe to me, and she's so talented,
Speaker 1: but I love how minimal.
Speaker 3: She is and ethereal.
Speaker 1: And yet if she's wearing Louis Vuitton, which she does
Speaker 1: most often, she really makes it her own. She really
Speaker 1: her clothes never overpower her and I love that about her.
Speaker 3: Definitely one to.
Speaker 1: Watch, Yes, And I have to say, j Lo, I
Speaker 1: have to say, And I know that she's j Lo,
Speaker 1: and I know we've seen her for one hundred years,
Speaker 1: but honestly, I have to give props to someone who
Speaker 1: seemingly ages backwards and just always looks healthy, strong.
Speaker 3: Dewey, dewey Chloe.
Speaker 1: I always say she was airbrush by God, but honestly,
Speaker 1: she can wear the dress that looks basically naked into a.
Speaker 3: Full Chloe moment with like a.
Speaker 1: Train as long as the hallway, like it's it's she
Speaker 1: really is a chameleon and wear things to shut it
Speaker 1: down all the time and and and flops like.
Speaker 3: Meaning like goes from one extreme.
Speaker 1: On a Monday to the opposite extreme on a Tuesday.
Speaker 1: And I know her stylist, Robin Maryelle, and you know
Speaker 1: they're doing such a good job, such a good job,
Speaker 1: and and you know, listen, it's collaborative. But I think
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I mean crushing it, truthfully,
Speaker 1: crush it really is, you know.
Speaker 2: Really stunning. Can't wait to see what she does in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.
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