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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Chris Harry with you on a brand new

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Speaker 1: episode of Chargers Weekly. A bit later, longtime NFL writer

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Speaker 1: and analyst Doug Ferrar joins me to discuss his new book,

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Speaker 1: The Genius of Desperation. Doug also gives us a pretty

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Speaker 1: detailed scouting report on Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes. But first

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Speaker 1: with preseason in the rearview, Matt money Smith and I

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Speaker 1: look ahead to the Chargers twenty eighteen regular season. All

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Speaker 1: right here with the voice of the Chargers, Matt money Smith.

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Speaker 1: As we turn the page on preseason, get ready to

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Speaker 1: Chiefs week. Money, You're ready for a fifth preseason game.

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Speaker 1: You want to just get the week one Week one,

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Speaker 1: you know, especially the preseason Week four such so different.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's I remember doing it with Nick last

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Speaker 1: year and getting on the bus leaving the game and

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Speaker 1: him saying, oh, that was a good radio show. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and that's what it becomes because there's so much By

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Speaker 1: the time the you know, third and fourth quarter come around,

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Speaker 1: it's just a lot of players that to some degree

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Speaker 1: the Chargers are helping out to showcase. They know they're

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Speaker 1: not going to bring him back for other teams, you know,

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Speaker 1: and the hope that these guys that have been with

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Speaker 1: job in the NFL. And it's interesting for us, but

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Speaker 1: you try to make it as compelling for the radio listener,

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Speaker 1: which isn't always easy. So a lot of times you

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Speaker 1: end up talking about, like you said that that first

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Speaker 1: week against the Chiefs. You know, come September ninth, Well,

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Speaker 1: this last month, what did you learn about this team

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Speaker 1: that maybe you didn't know? Because I think a lot

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Speaker 1: has happened over the last month. We've seen guys like

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Speaker 1: Mike Williams emerged. What stood out to you the Jack

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Speaker 1: himmet sports complex and in the games. I think that

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Speaker 1: those three rookies are gonna play, and they're gonna play

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Speaker 1: a lot. And it's yes, Kaiser White, Chenna Noosu and

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Speaker 1: Derwin James, and they are going to have an impact.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much they're gonna play, but it's

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Speaker 1: clear watching Nuosu rushed the passer. Watch Kaiser White. Guys

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Speaker 1: in that linebacker spot move too. He can, He's fast.

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Speaker 1: I mean that Arizona game, he was the best player

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Speaker 1: know when you think about what he was able to

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Speaker 1: do in special teams. I mean, he was great. And

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Speaker 1: obviously we know Darwin James getting that pick of breeze

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Speaker 1: in the game and during practice, and the impact he's

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Speaker 1: going to have. I think of all the things, you know,

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Speaker 1: Clemson that might can do that. I think it wasn't

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Speaker 1: clear whether or not these three guys could have an

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Speaker 1: impact this year, and I think they can. When you

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Speaker 1: consider the defensive line potential issues the first four week

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Speaker 1: without Corey Legit stopping the run, I think those linebackers

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Speaker 1: Derwin especially two coming up in the box, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to help stop the run. And you're gonna

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Speaker 1: need to do that against Kareem Hunting Company. Yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: And without lead It, it would have been nice to

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Speaker 1: what his status is because when he was in there

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Speaker 1: he was great. I mean again, just kind of speak

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Speaker 1: to the four different season exactly, so be great to

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Speaker 1: find out whether or not he's going to be good

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Speaker 1: because certainly with what they were working with in Leech,

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Speaker 1: it's absence. I think there there there. It is definitely

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Speaker 1: it's clear that that's probably that soft spot that they're

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Speaker 1: For four games. Offensively, I think we just hadn't seen

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Speaker 1: Mike Williams play in a while. That's why I think

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Speaker 1: everyone was their heads were turning a little bit because

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Speaker 1: he looked like that all American from Clemson. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: Mike Williams, he still stands out. I mean that's just

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Speaker 1: So now that he's healthy, I guess I'm just not

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Speaker 1: surprised he's still got to do it, you know, against

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Speaker 1: awfully nice that it's not Marcus Peters, you know, who's

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Speaker 1: been a bit of a nemesis for Philip throughout his career.

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Speaker 1: So you know, let's see it in a game. And

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Speaker 1: I think coach is preaching that as well. You know,

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Speaker 1: been been trying to temper everyone's excitement about Mike Williams

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Speaker 1: we saw it with Philip and Mike in training camp,

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Speaker 1: but that that touchdown he had was with Gino right too.

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Speaker 1: You know so, I think it's going to take some

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Speaker 1: saw it that first drive. He touched the ball seven

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he's explosive through the hole. He's great in

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Speaker 1: know what, what dogged Melvin Gordon last year, what do

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Speaker 1: to that second level very quickly. It's something that we

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Speaker 1: I think overall that offensive line with Dan Feeney another

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Speaker 1: a sliver of it in the preseason. Yeah, Philip mentioned that,

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Speaker 1: He said, I completed a ball to Virgil des routine

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Speaker 1: of years ago when when Virgil was slated to be there,

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Speaker 1: see how he's used in the red zone. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think any of us would be

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Speaker 1: surprised if that call is made and Antonio Gates walks

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Speaker 1: going to come down to the conversation with Philip and

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Speaker 1: can Virgil fill those routes that you had with Gates?

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Speaker 1: And if he can, then we're good because he can

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Speaker 1: block and you can play maybe Mike and that hunter

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Speaker 1: surprised either way if if Gates comes back, won't be

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Speaker 1: a new book entitled The Genius of Desperation. It's set

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Speaker 1: at the Wildcat in two thousand and eight, where the

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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins were coming back on a plane. Here's a

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Speaker 1: plane story for you. Since you just got off one

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Speaker 1: a few hours ago. They were coming back from Arizona.

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals had just beaten them badly, and they were

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Speaker 1: oh and two, coming up a one and fifteen season,

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Speaker 1: and David Lee, who was their quarterbacks coach, had run

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Speaker 1: the wildcat at Arkansas the year before with Felix Jones

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Speaker 1: and Darren McFadden and Tony Sperrano, who of course recently

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Speaker 1: passed away, was the head coach. And he went up

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Speaker 1: to David Lee on the plane and said, tell me

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Speaker 1: more about this wildcat package. And Dan Henning, who was

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Speaker 1: also on Miami's staff, had run it a little bit

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Speaker 1: with Carolina the year before. So in one week and

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Speaker 1: in weeks who they were playing the Patriots, who were

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Speaker 1: coming off their nearly undefeated season, still an eleven and

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Speaker 1: five without Tom Brady, so they were pretty good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And in one in one week they put together the

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Speaker 1: Steeler power and counterplays that completely confused the most disciplined

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Speaker 1: defense in the NFL. And the wildcat worked for a while.

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Speaker 1: It was eventually figured out, but you know, and probably

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Speaker 1: the most famous example is Greg Cook, the quarterbacks for

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Speaker 1: the Bengals, taken in the nineteen sixty nine AFL Draft

448
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Speaker 1: had a shoulder injury early on, could have been one

449
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Speaker 1: of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, and the Bengals

450
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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator had to come up with a short passing

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Speaker 1: game for his backup, Virgil Carter. The offensive coordinator's name,

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Speaker 1: of course, was Bill Walsh, and Bill Walsh because he

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Speaker 1: didn't have the quarterback he wanted, didn't go with the

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Speaker 1: sid Gilman, you know, three digit vertical downfield stuff. He

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Speaker 1: came up with the West Coast offense out of desperation.

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Speaker 1: So the whole, the overarching concept of the book is,

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Speaker 1: you know what the title of the Genius of Desperation is.

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Speaker 1: Here are the innovations, and here are the stories behind

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Speaker 1: them and the character studies of the people that implemented

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Speaker 1: them and made them work. It's an incredible read and

461
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 1: so much information goes into that book and that intro

462
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Speaker 1: that details the Wildcat. I think as a football fan,

463
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Speaker 1: I think everybody knew or can remember where they were

464
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Speaker 1: when when Ronnie Brown was running the Wildcat and it

465
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Speaker 1: had like four touchdowns against the Patriots. It was just

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Speaker 1: an unbelievable site. But Doug, how long did this project take?

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Speaker 1: Because I have to imagine I mean, you're going through

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Speaker 1: the entire history of pro football from inception. The publication

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Speaker 1: took about three years. It took actually come from the

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Speaker 1: idea about five years ago, and I thought, well, at first,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, maybe someone else should write this. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if I'm up to it. So it's a

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Speaker 1: huge concept. And there are of course other great scheme books,

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Speaker 1: you know, The Games That Changed the Game by Greg

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Speaker 1: ko sellony Man Jaworski, Take Your Eye Off the Ball

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Speaker 1: by Pat Kerwin, Chris Brown, smart football books. But I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't seen a chronological history that sort of tied

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Speaker 1: everything together, and eventually I just I thought, okay, to

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Speaker 1: heck with it, I'm gonna start writing, and I filled

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Speaker 1: in the parts I knew best first and did a

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Speaker 1: lot of research, about over one hundred books in the

482
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Speaker 1: research process, and so it really the writing of it

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Speaker 1: took about two years. And then Triumph Books had asked

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Speaker 1: me to do a blurb on their doctor z book

485
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Speaker 1: a couple of months before I was ready to do

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Speaker 1: a proposal. So I pitched it to them last year

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Speaker 1: and they said yes, and I'm you know, we're often

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Speaker 1: running and it's available in a lot of bookstores now

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Speaker 1: and Amazon has to kindle coming out on September twenty fifth.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible. I can't recommend it enough. And I told

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Speaker 1: you offline, I grew up on those eighties Redskins, and

492
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Speaker 1: of course Joe Gibbs comes from that Correl Chargers coaching tree,

493
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Speaker 1: and I went straight to the genius in the Hogs

494
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Speaker 1: chapter where you detail the counter tray and everything that

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Speaker 1: coach Gibbs was able to do. But Doug, I want

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Speaker 1: to dive into the twenty eighteen regular season. Get current here.

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Speaker 1: What were your general thoughts about what you saw during

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Speaker 1: this preseason? Now that it's a rap and we start

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Speaker 1: week one here next week. You know, the first thing

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Speaker 1: I think is this is such a cool time because

501
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Speaker 1: they're going all the way down front. They're they're not

502
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Speaker 1: doing the gradual cuts anymore. Ye, and it's such a

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Speaker 1: hard time for you know, the players, for the GMS,

504
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Speaker 1: for everybody. They've got to you know, roll these kids

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Speaker 1: in sort of on a congo line and tell them, well, basically,

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Speaker 1: at least with us, your dream is kind of over,

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Speaker 1: which is frustrating, um, you know, and it's interesting, you know,

508
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Speaker 1: of course, the Browns have been prominent through the hard

509
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Speaker 1: knocks thing, and it's always interesting to me to watch

510
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Speaker 1: some teams play completely vanilla and other teams are scheming

511
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Speaker 1: like crazy, you know, running blitzes and all that you know,

512
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Speaker 1: and so preseason, to me, it's never as much about

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Speaker 1: scheme as it is about, you know, particular talent showing

514
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Speaker 1: up and you think yourself, oh, this guy could be something,

515
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Speaker 1: and you know what, it's always it's always interesting to

516
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Speaker 1: see how that goes. You bring up a great point

517
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Speaker 1: about this this cutdown, because you go from from ninety

518
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Speaker 1: to fifty three, so thirty seven guys will get released

519
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: this weekend, and it makes for twenty four hours of

520
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Speaker 1: chaos around the league, maybe forty eight hours a cast

521
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Speaker 1: around the league, because there's so many guys being released

522
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Speaker 1: that you may want on your football team that that

523
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Speaker 1: may fit what you do. And I think it's fascinating

524
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Speaker 1: in one sense, but at the same time, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a tough weekend for guys who have

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Speaker 1: grinded all offseason to have their dreams kind of end.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, GMS, I don't envy their

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Speaker 1: job this weekend, No, not at all, and they'll be

529
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Speaker 1: you know there's no Labor Day holiday for resellers, that

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Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. So yeah, it's um, it's

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Speaker 1: an interesting time, you know, looking at players, Um, I

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Speaker 1: think Baker Mayfield probably impressed me the most, um from

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Speaker 1: the quarterback position, specifically his poison the pocket and his

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Speaker 1: ability to you know, and Philip Rivers of course, this

535
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Speaker 1: has been so great at this for such a long time.

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Speaker 1: That composition in the pocket, he knows he's going to

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Speaker 1: get his block knock off, and he doesn't care he

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Speaker 1: makes a throw anyway. Philip is one of the best

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Speaker 1: at that a long time. And with Mayfield, you never

540
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Speaker 1: know in a quick strike, you know, three to five

541
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Speaker 1: step drop offense, can he handle having far more complicated

542
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Speaker 1: coverages to deal with. I thought he availed himself very well.

543
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at Josh Rosen and I'm thinking, you know,

544
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Speaker 1: I thought this guy was the most developed quarterback coming

545
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Speaker 1: out of the draft this year. But one tends to

546
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Speaker 1: wonder if his offensive wine will will allow him to

547
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Speaker 1: do anything. Absolutely, you know, you gotta have the you

548
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Speaker 1: gotta have the horses in front of you to make

549
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Speaker 1: it all work. It's your point. Baker has looked strong

550
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Speaker 1: in really all four preseason games, and just I think

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Speaker 1: this quarterback rookie class in general, where you look at

552
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Speaker 1: what Darnold's able to do and him being named the starter,

553
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Speaker 1: very promising group. And kind of the juxtaposition of guys

554
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Speaker 1: like Philip big Ben, Eli, Brady Breese, these guys who

555
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Speaker 1: are have been dominating this league so long. I think

556
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Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a cool dynamic to have this

557
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: this old school versus new school battle here in the NFL. Well,

558
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: you also have middle school. You have Luck, you have

559
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Speaker 1: actually three trying to make a comeback. Luck is making

560
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Speaker 1: his comeback. Russell Wilson, you know, taking seventy fifth overall

561
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Speaker 1: might have the most enviable situation right now, just from

562
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Speaker 1: a health perspective. So yeah, you have the class of

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Speaker 1: the mid two thousands and the early two thousand, early

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Speaker 1: two thousand and tens, and now you're coming to new kids.

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Speaker 1: I think Darnold surprised me most of all when I

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Speaker 1: watched his USC tape. I saw a guy who could

567
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Speaker 1: really throw from a lot of launch points when his

568
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Speaker 1: lower body was sorted out. And obviously the Jets coaching

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Speaker 1: staff a good job of helping him work with his

570
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Speaker 1: mechanics because he looks not like a different guy, but

571
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Speaker 1: more throws look like the ideal version of Sam Donald

572
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Speaker 1: than I had seen before. And of course, I mean

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Speaker 1: the best story to me of this preseason has been

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Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater. No, yeah, no question that comes in after

575
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Speaker 1: almost losing his leg two years ago, could have been

576
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Speaker 1: the starter with the Jets. Now he goes to New

577
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Speaker 1: Orleans and you know, not too many people better to

578
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Speaker 1: work with than Sean Payton when you're a quarterback. Wanted

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Speaker 1: I did, wanted to turn the tables and ask you

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Speaker 1: a question about Nick Shimanek. How's that guy looking? Because

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Speaker 1: I did a takee peace with him in the right

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Speaker 1: before the draft, and I was really impressed with him.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was an underrated guy. Yeah you know

584
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Speaker 1: when he was when he was signed by the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: After the draft, I had a chance to talk to

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury about him, like a week after he was drafted,

587
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Speaker 1: and he used, I think the word fearless to describe Schimanek,

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Speaker 1: and it just it makes sense to have a guy

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Speaker 1: like Philip Rivers in that quarterback room with a guy

590
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Speaker 1: who has that fearless mentality. I like Nick Shimanek when

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Speaker 1: you look at the quarterback room with the Chargers, you

592
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Speaker 1: know you got Cardale Jones at Geno Smith. I think

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Speaker 1: one of those guys is going to win the job.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean to say Nick can't get on

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Speaker 1: a roster. You know. It's that that air raid offense.

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Speaker 1: It's always fascinating, especially when you see a guy like

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. Now Shimaneck may not have that talent obviously

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Speaker 1: of a Pat Mahomes, but just coming from that same system,

599
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: you'll wonder if he could further develop in this league.

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Speaker 1: But I just think it's so early. Doug, Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, one year as a starter at

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Speaker 1: Texas Tech. I think he does have his work cut

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Speaker 1: out for him as for his learning. And it's not

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Speaker 1: so much with quarterbacks coming out of air raid systems

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Speaker 1: and you know, spread systems to use that generic term.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's so much the transition offensively, because

607
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: most NFL teams are using a raid concepts and running

608
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: shoot concepts and spread concepts and all that. Sure, when

609
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Speaker 1: you you're running an offense that can throw a fifty

610
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Speaker 1: burder on any team you face, and you're doing hurry

611
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: up and the defense doesn't have time to adjust. You know.

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00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: It's like quarters coverage play after play after play. You're

613
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Speaker 1: not getting quarter quarter half, You're not getting man zone splits,

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Speaker 1: you're not getting cross dog blitzes. And I think for

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Speaker 1: a lot of these young quarterbacks it's not so much

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Speaker 1: oh gosh, I have to do a you know, a

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Speaker 1: pro style offense transition. It's what the heck am I

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Speaker 1: seeing on defense? And I think that's that's. Going back

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Speaker 1: to Mayfield. What's impressed me so much about him is

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Speaker 1: that I've seen him diagnose things. You know. In the

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Speaker 1: Lions game, there was one play where they were trying

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Speaker 1: to disguise Cover two and they had one of the

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Speaker 1: safeties in kind of alert position like he was going

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Speaker 1: to come across, and then he moved back into straight

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Speaker 1: Cover two and Mayfield saw it and he diagnosed it,

626
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Speaker 1: and he threw the underneath route, and I'm like, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he got it, you know, Doug. The AFC West is

628
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Speaker 1: a division that I think last year at this time

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Speaker 1: many were just giving to the Raiders after that twelve

630
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: and four year didn't work out that way. Obviously, the

631
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Speaker 1: parody in this league makes it just so fun every September.

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Speaker 1: Who's winning the AFC West in twenty eighteen. I think

633
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Speaker 1: it's a wide open division. And I point to the

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Speaker 1: Chargers is just you know, they were the kind of

635
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Speaker 1: that model of consistency and continuity. This offseason, we talked

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Speaker 1: about bringing back all of your coaches and then having

637
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Speaker 1: a majority of your offense and defense intact while adding

638
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: guys like Mike Pouncey and then Derwin James in the draft. Yeah, well,

639
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: Derwin James is a special player and he's only going

640
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: to get better. And I you know, obviously you sat

641
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: this preseason with some splash players. You know, with the

642
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: Vrett injuries, it's a blow. I basically last year I

643
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: thought A. J. Bouye of the Jaguars was the best

644
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: cover cornerback in the NFL. I thought Casey here were second,

645
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: and it was like one A and one B. I

646
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: think the secondary has the potential to be one of

647
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: the two or three best in the NFL. I think

648
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: you guys are pretty said at edge rusher. Yeah, I

649
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: got a couple of guys who can get sacked and

650
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: things like that. They're pretty good to ingram as a

651
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: matter of fact. As a matter of fact, we saw

652
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: another guy, Chris Landrum to have two sacks and a

653
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: forest fumble on Thursday night against the Niners. Isaac Rochelle

654
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: from Notre Dame, seventh round pick last year. He's had

655
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: a very impressive camp and then Chenna Nuosu you get

656
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: in the second round to play linebacker. But you know,

657
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: coming off the edge on third down, he had a

658
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: pretty punishing sack himself. So I think they're said, at

659
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: edge rusher, Yeah, they're okay, Um, you know, hopefully. I

660
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: know Forrest lamp is kind of coming back from the

661
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: ACL would love to see him at full strength because

662
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: I thought he was the best offensive woman in his

663
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: draft class. Certainly, offense is ruling with Philip a very

664
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: very deep receiver group. I don't think. I don't know

665
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: if there's a quote unquote domin team, like a fourteen

666
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: win team in the ASCU West. But I you know,

667
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: and I'm not just saying this because I have done

668
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: season predictions already and I have the Chargers winning the

669
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: West and pretty much everything I've done. The Chiefs have

670
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: been running this division for the last two years, and

671
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: we've talked about it. You know, I spoke with Philip

672
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: Rivers for our backstage podcast that will release next week.

673
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: Had a chance talk to him at the team hotel yesterday.

674
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: And you know, this game week one against the Chiefs,

675
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes coming to town. It's got a little extra

676
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: juice to it because you haven't beaten the Chiefs eight

677
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: straight times. You win your last five at StubHub Center,

678
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: and this is a golden opportunity to get after the

679
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: Chiefs in week one and really I think just mentally

680
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: get yourself in a space that you have a chance

681
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: to win this AFC West right off the top. Well,

682
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: as someone who works with the Chargers, you know that

683
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: that what the difference a number one cornerback can make

684
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: on your defense. And you know you came into the preseason,

685
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: uh you know, thinking you'd have two, of course, and

686
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: it's uns because gosh, Red is so talented and stay healthy.

687
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: Um So they let Marcus Peters go and they get

688
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: Kendall Fuller in the the Alex Smith trade. And Kendall

689
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: Fuller is the best slot cornerback in the NFL in

690
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 1: my opinion, an outside guy. He's not an outside guy.

691
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: And Marcus Peters is a boom or bust player, to

692
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: put it kindly, and mildly, but he takes away your

693
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: ex iso receivers. He tends to erase your number one guy.

694
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Speaker 1: If you watch the Chiefs in the preseason, and I'm

695
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: sure you did, you saw that they're letting number one

696
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: and number two receivers just float in free space. And

697
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: it's ugly and you know, you know, people are well,

698
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: you know, we have vanilla schemes in the preseason. Yes,

699
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: I get that, um and the Chiefs are a schematically

700
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: diverse team, but Bob Sutton, their defensive coordinator, he's really

701
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: gonna have to step it up to just make up

702
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: for their their personnel issues. They don't have a number

703
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: one cornerback, and in today's NFL, if you don't have

704
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: a number one cornerback, you have a major problem. Now

705
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: they have a great slot corner. Good for them, But

706
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: I would imagine when when Phillips watching that preseason tape,

707
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: his eyes are gonna light up. And he's kind of

708
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: an alpha anyway, so you might have a few things

709
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: to say about that. Oh, I'm sure he will. I'm

710
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: sure he will. And his number one receiver is Keenan Allen,

711
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: a guy who hard to believe is only twenty six

712
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: years old, and we saw what he was able to

713
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: do for a full sixteen games when healthy. You add

714
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: Mike Williams to the mix, and there's been a lot

715
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: of buzz about Mike Williams during training camp, Doug. He

716
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: seemed to have made in an eye catching play every

717
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: day in Costa Mesa here at training camp. And I

718
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: know Hunter Henry is not with us this season, and

719
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: that's that's a huge blow. But at the same time

720
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: you mentioned that position of strength and wide receiver. You

721
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: even mentioned Tyrrell Williams and then Travis Benjamin. Yeah, Williams

722
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: and Benjamin two underrated guys. I think with Keenan Allen,

723
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: there are certain receivers who are faster on the field

724
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: than they ever are on a track. And Alan is

725
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: that he's such a good route runner. He's so precise

726
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: with what he's doing. It allows him. And I'm not

727
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: conturning to Jerry Rice, but Jerry Rice was like that

728
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: two ran a four six forty who was on the

729
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: fielder ran of four three because he understood angles so well.

730
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: And with Alan, you watch him, and I'm sure Philip

731
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: appreciates this, to have a receiver who knows how to

732
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: sink into zones who can run option routes perfectly. You

733
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: can tell the work he puts into it. And with

734
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: Henry Gunn, maybe they run more you know, four receiver sets.

735
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: They get the running backs more involved in the passing game.

736
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: But I think, you know that's going to be a

737
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: definite strength. And when you look at the three the

738
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: three B senses they'll be facing in that division, Denver's

739
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: run defense is a major issue. Obviously their secondary is

740
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: great with Chris Harris, but they also lost to keep

741
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: to leave, you know, and with Oakland, I mean, you

742
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: don't know how to along with Khalil mackholdout is going

743
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: to last and he might not be there anyway, and

744
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: they that all kinds of problems. So certainly divisionally, I

745
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: would look for the Chargers to have quite a nice

746
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: run offensively, for sure. Do get you out of here

747
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: on this. What are you most looking forward to in

748
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: Week one? I mean, there's so many great storylines. Don't

749
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: have to be an AFC West storyline. There's so many

750
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: great matchups and so much intrigue when we talk about,

751
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, anything from Kirk Cousins going to Minnesota to

752
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: the opener Philly Atlanta. What are you going to have

753
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: your eye on a week one Well to look at Atlanta.

754
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: I want to see, I thought, because Kyle Shanahan did

755
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: such a brilliant job at the Falcon's just schematically in

756
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, that's no surprise. And I thought was Steve Sarkasian.

757
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: They took a few steps back as far as helping

758
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan get open reads. When I saw in the preseason,

759
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: I thought Sarkasian was really scheming it up, really doing

760
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: some smart things with crossers and option routes and just

761
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: getting guys open. And then with Philly, you know, you

762
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: lose John d Filippo to the Vikings, you lose Frank

763
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: Wright to the Colts. Doug Peterson is obviously a very

764
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: gifted coach. But I know, in talking to all three

765
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: of those coaches during Super Bowl Week, that was a

766
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: group effort and it was, you know, such an exciting

767
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: offense to watch. You know, we'll see how that goes.

768
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: And I think just in general, it's you know, going

769
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: back to the book for a second, like the Wildcat

770
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: that lasted about half a year until the Baltimore Ravens

771
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: figured it out. Sure, I want to see what I

772
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: really want to see what happens with the RPO this year.

773
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: First of all, I liken to announcers to be able

774
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: to differentiate between RPO and his own read. But that'll

775
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: take time. It took the announcers like five years to

776
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: not call a wildcat of zone read, so you know

777
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 1: it takes the time. It takes. But you know, watching

778
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: just different teams, how they might run it, how they

779
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: might use it. Certainly, the Chicago Bears of Matt Nagi

780
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: the Chiefs offense as multiple as it was last year

781
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: and as effective as it was last year, and I

782
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: know you know a lot about that. Naggie was the

783
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: guy who had a lot to do with that. I

784
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: want to see Mitchell Trubisky's development in Chicago to be sure,

785
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: because I think he's got all the physical potential. And

786
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, you know this guy is. I've watched tape

787
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: with Patrick. He's a guy who And there was this

788
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: one game against Texas where he threw I think one

789
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: pass was intercepted, but five passes could have been. He

790
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: was just throwing deep shots and I'm like, well, are

791
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: you gonna, you know, kind of come down on that

792
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: in the NFL, And he said yes, but this is

793
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: the way I play. He is a gun slinger in

794
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: the truest sense, so you know, we'll see how that goes.

795
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: As opposed to Alex Smith, who has regulated his style

796
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: and has been so consistent. You look at the stats

797
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: year to year to year, you know exactly what you're

798
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: going to get. As far as Kirk Cousins a Minnesota

799
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: I think when he was facing the Jaguars number one

800
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: defense and the Seahawks number one defense, I think you

801
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: saw some real struggles. And I think with Cousins, this

802
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: is a guy who needs open reads and it had

803
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: to be kind of an open first and second read.

804
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: As long as he has that, he's okay. I don't

805
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 1: know if he's a guy who can carry a team

806
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: on his shoulders in a breedy breeze sense. I don't

807
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: know if he'll ever be that guy. You know, it's

808
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: a great defense, it's an integrated offense. That offensive line

809
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: has been hit by injuries. Yeah, those are some of

810
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: the storylines. And I'm up here in Seattle so watching

811
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: the Seahawks where they've kind of gutted all their stars

812
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: except for Russell Wilson and Doug Baldwin. Yeah, and This

813
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: is now Pete Carroll's second rebuild because when he came

814
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: in in twenty ten, he didn't really have a lot

815
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: of talent to deal with, and he and John Snyder,

816
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: the general manager, built that up and now they have

817
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: to do it all over again. Well, the Charger is

818
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: going to be in Seattle. I want to say middle

819
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: of the year. Maybe it's week eight, week nine, so

820
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 1: we'll be up there to see in Seattle. Quick follow

821
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: up to Mahomes, Doug, because I'd hate to not ask

822
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 1: you this Melvin Ingram, Joey Bosa that chess match between

823
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: Andy Reid and Gus Bradley week one, knowing which you

824
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: know about Mahomes, how do you attack this guy in

825
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: his second career start? I think if you. I think

826
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: certain quarterbacks are better when you pressure them from the side.

827
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: Tom Brady has always been if you pressure him from

828
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: the side, he will just light you up. Roethlisberger is

829
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: this way as well. Certain quarterbacks are not as effective

830
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: when you pressure them right up in their face. If

831
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: you stunt inside, you bring him pressure right in, you

832
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: close down their launch points and their viewing windows. I

833
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: think Mahomes might be that kind of guy too. I

834
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: think if you blitz them up front, if you make

835
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: him question his reaves, I think that's one way to

836
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: do it. I think disguised coverages will help. Patrick's a

837
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: smart guy, and he had that year to kind of

838
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: look at coverages and figure things out. I think he

839
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: diagnoses things well. I also, I mean, I know Gus

840
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: from his time in Seattle, and people say, oh, he's

841
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: a cover one, cover three guy. Yeah, but there are

842
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: little myriad things that he throws in. There might be

843
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: alert defender, there might be a little buzz thing, maybe

844
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: he has a nickel corner doing something weird. Sort of

845
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: weight it down, so you know. And that's another thing

846
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: Mahomes is for all his deep throws. He likes to

847
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: be able to see things early in the down and

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Speaker 1: If you make adjustments, latten it down. To any young quarterback,

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Speaker 1: you show him one thing and then you turn around

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Speaker 1: and discuss you know that was a disguise for something else.

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Speaker 1: His head starts to explode. And that's true of most

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Speaker 1: every young quarterback I've ever seen that named Andrew Luck.

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Speaker 1: So I think you pressure him up front. You forced

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Speaker 1: him to move outside the pocket when he doesn't want to,

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Speaker 1: and I think you show him things he doesn't expect,

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Speaker 1: and that's how you hold him in. And then if

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Speaker 1: he will take it, and he might take it with

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Speaker 1: three guys in coverage. Doug, this was awesome, man, I'm

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Speaker 1: fascinating conversation. New book, The Genius of Desperation. You can

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Speaker 1: And can't thank you enough for your time today, man,

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Well, yeah, let's circle back on that

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Speaker 1: and definitely met and it was my pleasure too, and

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for having me and that'll do it.

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Speaker 1: A big thanks to Doug and Money for joining me,

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Speaker 1: and of course thanks to you all for listening. You

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