1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: Three friends, three Kansas City Chiefs fans, dead in the 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: backyard and on the porch of another friend. 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: To other Chiefs fans have a cold blooded. 5 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: Reaction when they meet face to face in court over 6 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: the murder of their friends. I'm Nancy Grace. This is 7 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. 8 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 2: Two former friends are accused of killing three Kansas City 9 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: Chiefs fans, and they just sat in the last days, 10 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: shoulder to shoulder in a Missouri courtroom, staring coldly, straight ahead, 11 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: stone face and never stating a single word to each other. 12 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 2: It was Jordan Willis and Ivory Carson, less than five 13 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 2: feet apart in the Platte County courtroom before Judge Abe 14 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: Quint Schaeffer. Willis was wearing a blue buttoned down and slacks. 15 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: He's free on one hundred thousand dollars bond. Carson steel 16 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: jailed hobbled in wearing an orange jumpsuit and ankle shackles. 17 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 2: Each one faces three counts of second degree felony murder 18 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: and distribution of drugs and the deaths of their friends, 19 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: Ricky Johnson, David Harrington and Clayton mcgeiney. 20 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: Their frozen bodies. 21 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: Were found outside Jordan Willis's home on a cold January ninth. 22 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: All of them had gathered for. 23 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: What was supposed to be a fun Sunday watch party 24 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: watching the Chiefs, and despite a friendship amongst all of 25 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: them group text being fans of the Chiefs regular get togethers, 26 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: these do didn't even look at each other in court. 27 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: And I think I know why. 28 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: Two arrested over the deaths of three Kansas City Chiefs 29 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: fans who apparently froze to death and their scientist's friend 30 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: backyard and on his porch, and he didn't. 31 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: Notice a thing for two days. 32 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: A guy is dead, your friend is dead in a 33 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: lounge chair on your porch, and you go two days 34 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: ignoring repeated calls, text messages, social media requests from family 35 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: and friends. 36 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: You don't see any of that. You show up at 37 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: the front. 38 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: Door and you're underwear with a glass of wine and go, hahua, listen. 39 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: Jordan Willis and Ivory Carson have been charged with distribution 40 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: of a controlled substance and three counts of involuntary manslaughter. 41 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: That from our friends at k NBC nine News joining 42 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: me in All Star Panel but first I want to 43 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: go to a very special guest joining us. It's Jonathan Price, 44 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: the brother of one of those three victims, Ricky Johnson. 45 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: Jonathan, thank you for being. 46 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 4: With us, Thank you for having me Nancy. 47 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: Jonathan, I wonder sometimes if this day would ever come. 48 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: You said from the get go, something is wrong, something 49 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: is horribly wrong. It didn't happen this way, and you 50 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: were right, yeah, it just from the. 51 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 4: Very beginning, it didn't make sense. And it still doesn't 52 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 4: make sense that they were able to rule out foul 53 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 4: play from day one, and then you know, with these charges. 54 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know the legal definition of foul play, 55 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 4: but it definitely seems like they now believe that there 56 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 4: was foul play. So just keeping us in the dark 57 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 4: for this long, it's very troubling, but there is still 58 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 4: a sense of relief among all of us that this 59 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 4: is hopefully coming to a conclusion. 60 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: You guys have been dragged through hell and back. And 61 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 2: during the Super Bowl when of the Chiefs were playing, 62 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: I thought about you and your family, and I wondered 63 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: what's going. 64 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: Through their minds tonight as. 65 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: Everybody's celebrating and partying, and you still did not have 66 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 2: answers in your brother's death. 67 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think about Ricky daily, 68 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 4: and you know, even more so when the Chiefs are 69 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 4: playing or KU's playing. You know, there's you know, he 70 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 4: cared much about his family and his sports, and we 71 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 4: shared that our entire lives and uh, you know those 72 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 4: those memories will always live on and uh, you know, 73 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 4: like I said before, it's there. There is a sense 74 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 4: of relief that, you know, something that's coming from all 75 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 4: of this. 76 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: Well, I was wondering, Jonathan, when everybody was celebrating and 77 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: there was the big lead up to the Chiefs playing 78 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl and everybody's what's Taylor Swift gonna wear? 79 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 2: And are they going to get engaged? Is she pregnant? 80 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah. Were you thinking what about 81 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 2: my brother? What about my brother? Because I was thinking 82 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 2: that the whole way through the Super Bowl. 83 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 4: Absolutely, you know, every day we've been saying this, and 84 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 4: you know, it kind of went a radio asilent for 85 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 4: a very long time. And then you know, we were 86 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 4: still hearing that there was no foul play. You know, 87 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 4: there's there's just too much still out there, and it's 88 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 4: it's all about what's going to come out of trial. 89 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 4: But you know there's still lots of questions. 90 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, Jonathan, there is absolutely gonna to be 91 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: a trial. 92 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: You guys kept in the. 93 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: Dark for so long, which must have been agonizing, agonizing 94 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 2: as you wanted so badly for your brother to get justice, 95 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: and to think that for all that time, he sat 96 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: in his house, throwing back the booze, hanging around in 97 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: his underwear. And this guy is no idiot. He's a scientist, 98 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: for Pete's sake. Ignoring the dead body in allounced chair 99 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 2: on the porch, ignoring his friend's cars parked directly in 100 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: front of his house. How can you ignore that? How 101 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 2: can you not hear the phone for two days, not 102 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 2: notice that you are being barraged in social media and 103 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 2: texts and emails, acting like nothing happened, and then to 104 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: pack up and leave town. 105 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: Well, this is how the whole thing started. 106 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 5: January seventh, there is a football day for the Kansas 107 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 5: City Chiefs as they will be playing the Los Angeles Chargers. 108 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 5: So thirty eight year old Jordan Willis it's a couple 109 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 5: of buddies to come to his house and watch the game. 110 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 5: David Harrington, Ricky Johnson, and Clayton mcghiney arrive at Willis's 111 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 5: house just in time for the three twenty five kickoff. 112 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 5: They enjoy the games. The Chiefs beat the Chargers thirteen 113 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 5: to twelve, and Willis makes plans for them to get 114 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 5: tickets to the next home game. 115 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: So everything's fine. They're all there watching the game together. 116 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: Then what happens after the game? Jordan Willis waves the 117 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: guys off and crashes on the couch. 118 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 5: On Monday, January eighth, Jordan Willis claims he did not 119 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 5: leave his home at all. He would normally have to 120 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 5: take his dogs Sadie and Daisy outside to do their business, 121 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 5: but they're all staying at his dad's place. 122 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute. 123 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: He had described his dogs as the quote loves of 124 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: his life. How did they end up somewhere else? Okay, 125 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: that's just a tangential question. But right there, something is 126 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: way wrong. 127 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: Joining me. 128 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Matt Right there. 129 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: Dave, Jordan Willison, this is on a sun the scientist. 130 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: He waves away the friends and claims he crashes on 131 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: the sofa for. 132 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: What the next two or three days? 133 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: I mean, if you take it from Sunday until finally 134 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: the police were at the front door after the girlfriend 135 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: breaks in the window to find the dead body and 136 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: starts screaming. 137 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: I mean, that's his story day, seriously. 138 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 5: And he's sticking to it, Nancy. He has always claimed 139 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 5: that he crashed out, doesn't know what the guys did. 140 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 5: He was sound asleep for the next seventy two hours, 141 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 5: and he missed all the messages. He didn't get any 142 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 5: pet he didn't get any text messages, phone calls because 143 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 5: that phone was ringing off the hook. All those guys, 144 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 5: family and friends were reaching out to him because they 145 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 5: were always in contact. But Jordan Willis claims he slept 146 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 5: through the entire thing for three days and he only 147 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 5: got up when they basically broke into his house and 148 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 5: tell him there were dead guys on the backyard. 149 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: Jonathan Price is with me. This is Ricky Johnson's brother 150 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: who passed away. You know, when I think about what 151 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: he went through, it was so cold out there, do 152 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 2: you let yourself. I mean, I try not to think 153 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: about what my fiance went through when he was murdered. 154 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: He was shot five times in the face, the neck, 155 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: the head, and I try not to think about it, 156 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 2: because it will mess me up so badly, and I 157 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 2: have children to raise. Do you ever let yourself think 158 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 2: about what Ricky went through while their friend was inside 159 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: in his underwear passed out. 160 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think about that all the time, you know, 161 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 4: especially with you know, these these three gentlemen, you know, 162 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 4: being inseparable for a very very long time, and for 163 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 4: all three of them to happen at the exact same time, 164 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 4: and what some of them were going through in the 165 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 4: final moments of seeing maybe one of their friends go 166 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 4: down first. So many questions still on how that would 167 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 4: have happened. 168 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: And I pray that all the facts, not just some 169 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: of the facts, but that all the facts will come 170 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: out and we will know. 171 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: Is no idiot? 172 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: Three days Sunday Monday Tuesy, and I never knew my friend. 173 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: My friend was dead. 174 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 2: On the front on the back porch, and my other 175 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: friends were dead lying in my yard. 176 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: How can he? How can he say that? Oh? Yeah, 177 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: and all the phone. 178 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 2: Calls and all the texts and all the emails and 179 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 2: all the social media. 180 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: He said he was wearing noise canceling headphones for three days. 181 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 6: Really, he says he was wearing noise canceling earphones, and 182 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 6: he was in his house. He didn't notice the car 183 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 6: in front, and he didn't notice three of his friends. 184 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 6: He wasn't texting them the day after. Hey, guys, let's 185 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 6: go get tickets for the next game because the Chiefs 186 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 6: had won. Completely acted like he was completely shut off 187 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 6: from the whole world and noise canceling headphones. Sure, maybe right, 188 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 6: You maybe can't hear a little in the next room, 189 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 6: but you're going to hear people beating on your door 190 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 6: and you're going to see your phone flowing up for 191 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 6: two days. 192 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: So let me understand something, Dave Mac. 193 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: How many days passed before the girlfriend the fiance has 194 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: to come and literally break in? 195 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: When did that happen? Just give me a number. 196 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 7: Two days? 197 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: All right? 198 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 5: Two days? 199 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: What day was on the game was Tuesday? 200 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 5: Games on Saturday, on Sunday the seventh, and Tuesday the 201 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 5: ninth is the day police are at the door. 202 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: Okay, you know what. 203 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 2: They didn't teach me math in law school. But seven 204 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: eight nine, that's three days. Seven is Sunday, the day 205 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: of the game, which is in the early afternoon, all night, 206 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: all day Monday until finally Tuesday, when the fiance is 207 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: beside herself. She can't find her fiance and goes looking 208 00:11:59,440 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: for him. 209 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: Listen. 210 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 8: On January eight, friends and family are concerned. They were 211 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 8: headed to Jordan willis house to watch the game, but 212 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 8: now none of the guys, including Jordan Willis, are replying 213 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 8: to messages on social media or by phone. 214 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 9: On Tuesday, January ninth, nine fifty one pm, Clayton McKinney's 215 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 9: fiance shows up at the house. She sees the cars 216 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 9: in the driveway, and since nobody is answering the phone 217 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 9: or replying to messages, she breaks into the home and 218 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 9: screams Willis's name. She walks through the house. Then she 219 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 9: looks on the back porch and sees a body. 220 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: Oh my stars, okay, Jonathan Price is joining me. 221 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: This is Ricky's brother, beloved brother. 222 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: I might ad they grew up together and they would 223 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: argue about who's going to watch Power Rangers and. 224 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: Who's gonna watch ESPN. 225 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: Very very loving relationship, their whole lives. 226 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: In my mind, that's three days. 227 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: You got the Chiefs game early afternoon Sunday, there together 228 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: in Sunday night all day Monday, Monday night, and then 229 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: Tuesday nine fifty one. That's nearly ten o'clock at night, 230 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: Clayton's fiance comes hysterical trying to find him, has to 231 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: break in and seize a dead body. Is my timing correct, Jonathan? 232 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 4: I mean it appears to be correct. You know, I'm 233 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 4: not very good at math either, but you know, there's 234 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 4: there's a question in my mind that there's no possible 235 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 4: way you can sleep that long and just not know 236 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 4: what's going on. 237 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: I agree, Jonathan, no way. 238 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: What was he doing in the joining me is a 239 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: veteran defense attorney who has handled a number of high 240 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: profile cases. Derek Smith is joining me out of Ohio. 241 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: He's at d W Smithlegal dot com. Derek, really the 242 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: defense I slept through the whole thing. I mean, for 243 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: those of you who just joining us, finally movement a 244 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: bombshell arrest of two people in connection with the deaths 245 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: of three Kansas City chiefs fans who were frozen to 246 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: death and their buddy, the scientist backyard Derek Smith. 247 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: Can he really look at. 248 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: A jury and say, I slept for three days with 249 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 2: noise canceling headsets on, I knew nothing. 250 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: Yes and no. 251 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 10: This is a terrible situation. Is best friends some of 252 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 10: his frenzies with this whole entire life. Like they said, 253 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 10: they were very close utter uttershock and disbelief and just 254 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 10: manic depression will put somebody down. Looking out your window 255 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 10: and seeing your friends in the condition they were in. 256 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 10: That's enough right there to send a person into deep shock, 257 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 10: disbelief and just pass right back out. 258 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: Does not want to be that's a good one. 259 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: So he saw the bodies and then passed back out, 260 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: you know to doctor Hidie Green joining me, clinical psychologist, 261 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: trauma specialist, author of The Path to Self Love and 262 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: World Domination, Doctor Heidie Green dot com, Doctor Heidi. So 263 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 2: now we're getting a spin on that and no telling 264 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: what it's going to morph into by the time this 265 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: goes to trial. So Jonathan Price braced yourself. So Derek 266 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: Smith is spinning it out, you know, like Rumpel Stileskin 267 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 2: would take that nasty hay out of the barn and 268 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: spin it into gold. He is now hypothesizing that the defendant, 269 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: one of the two arrested in the desks of three 270 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: people that were left to freeze out. 271 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: In the yard one on his porch, is that he. 272 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: Came to from his deep sleep. You know, I'll throw 273 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: in sleeping beauty. There he came to saw the dead 274 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: body of his friend and then passed out. Doctor Heidie Green, 275 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: psychologically speaking, that seems very unlikely to me. 276 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 7: So it is very unlikely that he fell unconscious for 277 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 7: seventy two hours as a result of a significant trauma. 278 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 7: And we can say if your friends died accidentally, if 279 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 7: that's what we're going with, and you saw them in 280 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 7: your home, it's obviously possible that you would have a 281 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 7: significant trauma response, and that trauma response could include a 282 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 7: freeze response. I could see somebody maybe being in their 283 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 7: house terrified to answer the throne, terrified to go and 284 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 7: look at the bodies, wanting to essentially just pretend like 285 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 7: nothing's going on. But to actually be unconscious for seventy 286 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 7: two hours, that seems far less likely as a trauma report. 287 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, it was a bone chilling 288 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: January nine, mcgheiney's fiance, April Mahoney, actually broke into Willis's 289 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 2: home after she had called over and over and over 290 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: frantically trying to find her love, who she had not 291 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: heard from for two days, and it was there she 292 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 2: found the bodies of three men in all frozen solid, 293 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 2: all still dressed in their Kansas City Chiefs gear, slumped 294 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: in the backyard, and now there remained two, Jordan Willis 295 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 2: and Ivory Carson. The two sat lesson five feet apart 296 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 2: in court as a judge ruled their case. We'll go 297 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 2: to trial. What happened that Sunday afternoon. 298 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 8: Clayton mcguinea's fiance Colls Police officers arrived to find Willis 299 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 8: in his underwear with an empty glass of wine in hand. 300 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 8: According to the victims' families, the other two bodies were 301 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 8: then found in the backyard. Jordan Willis tells police he 302 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 8: has no idea what happened. John Piserno, and attorney representing Willis, 303 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 8: said his client had no idea his friends were dead 304 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 8: until police knocked on his door. Tayley Lettier wrote, my 305 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 8: husband banged on his door for twenty minutes. My friend 306 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 8: banged on his door and then busted a window and 307 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 8: yelled and announced her presence while she's inside and steal 308 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 8: nothing from him. Then the cops come ten minutes later, 309 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 8: and he comes out nonchalant in his boxers with an 310 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 8: empty wine glass in hand. Nothing is adding up. Dave 311 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 8: clay and Ricky need and deserve justice. 312 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: Yes they do. And Jonathan Price is with me. This 313 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: is Ricky's brother, Jonathan. Your brother is always described as 314 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: a Kansas City Chief fan. That's really not doing him justice. 315 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: He was so much more. Tell me, well, Ricky was 316 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: very humble. 317 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 4: He loved everybody he ever interacted with. He always saw 318 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 4: the good and people. He helped out anybody in need anytime, 319 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 4: no matter if at one time they were seen as 320 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 4: you know, enemies or or you know, just not friends 321 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 4: in general. But he was just such a kind person, 322 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 4: loving father, brother, son, cousin. You know, he he was 323 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 4: truly cherished by our entire family. 324 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: Tell me about your family, Well, I mean. 325 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 4: We kind of we grew up, you know, separated at 326 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 4: some points, but we always came together for family events. 327 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 11: You know. 328 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 4: We were always there at Christmas times, holding our own 329 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 4: different Christmases to make sure that all of our schedules 330 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 4: matched up to where we can all see each other. 331 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 4: And when I was in the military, anytime I came 332 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 4: home there Ricky and my other brother Russie, they always 333 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 4: made it a point, and my sister Lisa, they always 334 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 4: all made it a point to come home all to 335 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 4: be together every time. So we you know, we chaished 336 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 4: each other. And there's very fond memories of uh of 337 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 4: Ricky growing up and everything he was to all of us. 338 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: When you say the memories you had growing up? What memories? 339 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 4: Well, my love for football, I love for all sports 340 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 4: came from Ricky. You know, seeing my my two oldest brothers, 341 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 4: you know, throwing the football farther than I could imagine 342 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 4: when I was a you know, small child. I just 343 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 4: I looked up to them. You know, we we went 344 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 4: to the very first game that Patrion Mahomes was playing 345 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 4: in the preseason, and uh we you know, he met 346 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 4: my entire family, and you know, even though we were 347 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 4: states away, you know, we always we always talked about 348 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 4: the sports of Kansas City and you know, everything that 349 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 4: we were accomplishing. Finally, after so many years of being 350 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 4: you know, an up and down team. You know, we 351 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 4: we shared a lot of memories together, and uh, I 352 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 4: just I love them. 353 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 2: We are learning more about the deaths of the so 354 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 2: called Three Chiefs Fans. 355 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 12: As news starts to spread of the three friends freezing 356 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 12: to death in the backyard while their friend is asleep inside. 357 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 12: The families of the victims begin to speak out and 358 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 12: ask questions. The biggest question for Jordan Willis is what 359 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 12: happened next? Was why didn't you answer calls, text messages 360 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 12: and social media messages from family and friends of the 361 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 12: three men. 362 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 5: The Daily Mail reports. Willis insists he spent the next 363 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 5: two days in his home not thinking anything of the 364 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 5: fact that his friend's cars were still outside, and only 365 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 5: learned they died when the fiance of one of the 366 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 5: men broke into the house on January ninth in the 367 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 5: hopes of finding him. 368 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 2: Jonathan Price, Where were the victims cars part in relation 369 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 2: to the friends home? 370 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 4: I guess if you're based on what I've heard, if 371 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 4: you look out the front door, they were just off 372 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 4: to the right, And I guess there was potentially out 373 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 4: of the three cars, because I think someone might have carpooled. 374 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 4: But either way, my brother drove in that F one fifty, 375 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 4: so it was, you know, se my large truck right 376 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 4: there in the front. There's no way to miss it. 377 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 2: So Barry Hudgeson joining me, former l e now chief 378 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 2: investigator for Barry and Associates Investigative Services in Kansas and Missouri. 379 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: Barry, let me understand, So this. 380 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: Guy, the so called friend could find a wine glass 381 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: and fill it up with wine, and find his noise 382 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: canceling headphones. He could find those, he could see those, 383 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 2: but he couldn't see his dead friend on the porch 384 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: and in the yard, or their vehicles part in front 385 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: of his house. 386 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 13: Man see this story, you know, his his excuses for 387 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 13: how everything happened. 388 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 4: It just makes no sense at all. 389 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 13: You know, I've been thinking about this and one of 390 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 13: the things that I thought about. You know, the guy 391 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 13: came to the door in his underwear and he said 392 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 13: that he had been asleep for seventy two hours. We 393 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 13: knew that he'd been drinking a lot, apparently, so if 394 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 13: he slept for solid three hours, don't you think his 395 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 13: body would have evacuated while he was asleep for three 396 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 13: solid days. If he never got up, he would have 397 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 13: wet hisself. Did he come to the door with soiled 398 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 13: underwear or did he look like he urinated on his sef? 399 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 13: You know, when you arrest a drunk on the street 400 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 13: most of the time and they're awake, theype all over 401 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 13: their self. This guy didn't look like he urinated on 402 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 13: his stef because if he didn't, that kind of shoots 403 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 13: that story right in behind the end if he. 404 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: Asked me, Yeah, I mean he had to get up 405 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: and go to the bathroom. 406 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crown's joining me, and he's here for other reasons, 407 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: but since we're on this topic, Doctor Kendall Crown's with me. 408 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: Chief Medical Examiner Terrant County. That's fort Worth never Alike, 409 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: a business esteemed lecturer at Burnett's School of Medicine TCU 410 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 2: and launching a new PODCASTA Dead on Arrival March seven. 411 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: Doctor Crown's is that true what Barry just told us? 412 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 2: I mean, how could he go seventy two hours drinking 413 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 2: let me add that in and not getting up and 414 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: finding his way to the bathroom. 415 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 14: Oh, I agree with that. There's no way you could 416 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 14: sleep for three days after consuming them with chilcohol and 417 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 14: also eating that. Your body wouldn't urinate on itself for defecates. 418 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 14: So it's impossible to believe that he spent that entire 419 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 14: time asleep and not getting up and go at least 420 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 14: going to the bathroom. 421 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 9: Jordan Willis's attorney, John Piserno, refuses to answer questions about 422 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 9: whether the men were using drugs. Paserno says there was 423 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 9: a fifth man in the home on the night of 424 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 9: January seventh. Willis says the man is a buddy who 425 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 9: left earlier than the other three men. 426 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 5: As the investigation heated up, Jordan Willis moved out of 427 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 5: the home and checked into rehab. A forensic data extraction 428 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 5: found text messages on Harrington's phone between Willis, mcgheini, Johnson, 429 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 5: and others that proved Carson was the person who supplied 430 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 5: the group with cocaine, DNA evidence mash Willis identifying him 431 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 5: as a major contributor, and DNA evidence from the second bag. 432 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 5: Matt Carson, confirming his role as the drugs of liar. 433 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: Packs up and goes to rehab. 434 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 2: So to Jonathan Price, when did you learn that the 435 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 2: so called best friend of your brother packs up, clears 436 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: out the house, takes his dog, and goes to rehab. 437 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 4: I mean, the only time that we found out was 438 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 4: whenever he was reported in the news, which is kind 439 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 4: of the unfortunate part of all this. But if you 440 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 4: have the mental capacity to know you have a problem 441 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 4: after the fact and check yourself into rehab, then you 442 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 4: know you know more about what happened that night. And 443 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 4: I don't know if you shared that or not with 444 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 4: the authorities. But the fact that he was not detained, 445 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 4: you know, after that night or the past fourteen months, 446 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 4: doesn't really make any sense to me. 447 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know too, Derek Smith. Why is that the 448 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 2: go to with your clients and all the stars. It's 449 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 2: only after they're busted for something that they suddenly realize 450 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: they have a problem and they hide out in rehabit. 451 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 10: Well, unfortunately, it takes an event like that to really 452 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 10: change lifestyle or change a mindset or even in these 453 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 10: cases a serious edition. 454 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 4: I mean, it's akin to. 455 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 10: Being in a certain way of life, certain way of 456 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 10: doing things. Everything's fine as long as everything's fine, and 457 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 10: then something tragic or something terrible, or the law gets 458 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 10: involved and you have to make a drastic change. 459 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 4: And that's unfortunately just how it is. Sometimes. 460 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: Joining me right now is a special guest just joining us, 461 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: Eric Zand is with us. It is the Platte County 462 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: prosecutor who was working on the case. And I know 463 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 2: Eric number one, thank you for being with us. But 464 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 2: I know what you can say is limited, having been 465 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 2: a prosecutor for many years myself, but I want to 466 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. The family questioned this 467 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 2: from the get go, and I know the prosecutors get 468 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: the case once LA law enforcement finished their investigation. But 469 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 2: I'm sure you know, having dealt with so many crime victims, 470 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 2: how agonizing this has been for the family to be 471 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,719 Speaker 2: waiving the banner. This isn't right, This isn't normal. This 472 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: guy's not innocent. He won't say a word to us 473 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 2: about what happened. This is the alleged best friend. They've 474 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: been waiting all this time. Now, Eric, don't get me wrong, 475 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 2: I'm glad we finally have bombshell arrests in the deaths 476 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 2: of the three Kansas City chiefs. 477 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: Fans, but what took so long? Please explain it? 478 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 11: Yeah, You're absolutely right, And Nancy, this was a long 479 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 11: time coming. And our hearts absolutely go out to these 480 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 11: family members. I met with them shortly after these deaths, 481 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 11: and it's just really tragic. It's honestly, it's another reminder 482 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 11: of the dangers of street drugs, and these cases are 483 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 11: tough to put together. Cracking down who's responsible providing these 484 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,479 Speaker 11: drugs is no easy task. But I can't tell you 485 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 11: how proud I am Nancy of the Kansas City Police 486 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 11: Department and prosecutors in my office who from day one 487 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 11: said that they weren't going to rest until we exhausted 488 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 11: every possible resource to bring the people we believe responsible 489 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 11: for these crimes to justice, and yesterday was the first 490 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 11: step in that. As you know, these men are presumed 491 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 11: innocent and lesson until proven guilty. But we've charged them 492 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 11: what we think happened, which was providing cocaine and fentanyl 493 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 11: and causing the deaths of these three men. 494 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, this is what Platte County 495 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 2: Prosecutor Eric Zand had to say. 496 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 3: A doctor with Forensic Medical of Kansas found that mister mcgheini, 497 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,719 Speaker 3: mister Harrington, and mister Johnson all died of fentanyl and 498 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 3: cocaine combined toxicity. 499 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: Now from our forensic KMBC nine News. 500 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: So Eric assertion, what you're going to prove, I think 501 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: in trial is that the casual use of a little cocaine, 502 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: although family says that at least one of the victims 503 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 2: had never used cocaine before, but the casual use of 504 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 2: cocaine turned deadly because it was cut with fentanyl. 505 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,719 Speaker 11: Yeah, in this case, what we alleged is that there 506 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 11: were two baggies found at the scene. One of those 507 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 11: baggies contained cocaine. The other baggie we alleged contained fentanyl. 508 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 11: The me found that it was a combination of those 509 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 11: two drugs that caused these men's deaths. And so we've 510 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 11: charged both of the men, one of them who we 511 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 11: believe provided the cocaine, the other who we alleged sold 512 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 11: the fentanyl that caused these deaths. And we allege, because 513 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,479 Speaker 11: we charged with them with manslaughter, that they recklessly caused 514 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 11: the deaths of these three men. 515 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, listen to what Jonathan Price 516 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: had to say. 517 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 15: From the very beginning. He said that before the fifth 518 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 15: person came out, he said that Jordan was there sporadically 519 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 15: throughout the day and then whenever. And then he also 520 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 15: did not mention in a fifth person. But once the 521 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 15: fifth person came out, then he changed it to saying 522 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 15: that there was a fifth person and that he was 523 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 15: asleep the entire time. So those were two very specific 524 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 15: details that were specific in the opening statement but then 525 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 15: changed over time. 526 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: So Alexis Tereschuk, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter the 527 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 2: best friend now charged in a homicide case, changed his story. 528 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 2: He never mentioned anybody else was there beside him and 529 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 2: his three buddies all dead, frozen dead in the backyard, 530 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 2: and he goes three days and doesn't notice they're on 531 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 2: his back porch. There's a mystery guy, a fifth person. 532 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 2: Act says he changed his story. Why because the fifth 533 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 2: person was a person that provided the drugs. 534 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 6: According to police, this is somebody who they have all 535 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 6: known for quite a while that Jordan has known, and 536 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 6: he was contacted and this man brought the drugs. 537 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,959 Speaker 1: This so there's cocaine. 538 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 6: Jordan Willis's DNA is on the cocaine, Ivory Carson's DNA 539 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 6: is on the bag of fentanyl, and that is the 540 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 6: toxic combination that killed these men. So he was he 541 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 6: had come over and brought them the cocaine. And the 542 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 6: way that the police found this out wasn't through Jordan Willis. 543 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 6: He never mentioned any of these details. But David Harrington's 544 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 6: phone is the one phone that they were able to 545 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 6: extract evidence from, and they saw on there there were 546 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 6: group chats about buying the cocaine. Willis was the one 547 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 6: that would always provide it for them. These other guys 548 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 6: didn't have enough cocaines expensive it's not a cheap drug. 549 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 6: And then you topped that off of the Fennyl and 550 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 6: he was the one that did it. So there were 551 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 6: group chat tech messages that showed that these were having out. 552 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: The drugs to air. 553 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 2: Exanne joining me right now, Platts County prosecutor who is 554 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 2: charged with last swing all this evidence and presenting it 555 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 2: to a jury, did he really think we wouldn't find 556 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 2: out about the fifth guy, the mystery man, and all 557 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 2: of his statements at the get go that was never mentioned. 558 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: Now we know why he was the dope. 559 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 11: Dealer well, and Nancy I can't. I can't comment on 560 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 11: exactly what either of these defendants thought or said, but 561 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 11: what I can tell you is that we allege that 562 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 11: mister Willis provided cocaine and mister Carson sold Entinel to 563 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 11: these men, and we alleged that resulted in the deaths 564 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 11: of these three great people who were boyfriend's husbands, fathers, 565 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 11: sons of people in Kansas City. It's truly tragic. And 566 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 11: here's what folks have to understand. If you deal drugs 567 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 11: and somebody dies as a result, we will do everything 568 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 11: we can to make sure that you're held accountable for 569 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 11: the deaths of those people. That's exactly what we're trying 570 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 11: to do in this case. 571 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 572 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 2: The bodies of David Harrington, Clayton mcgheaney, and Ricky Johnson 573 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 2: all found in the backyard of their friend Jordan Willis's 574 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 2: home Kansas City last January, frozen dead. The temperature that 575 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 2: night was just eighteen degrees fear and height. One of 576 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 2: the victims seated upright in a patio chair, the others 577 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 2: lying sprawled nearby, ice crusted on their faces. Investigators now 578 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 2: calling it quote foul play by stealth and to psychology 579 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 2: reports confirm all three died of cocaine laced with fentanel. 580 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 2: Police even find two plastic baggies in the home, one 581 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 2: containing cocaine with Willis's DNA and another with fentanyl and 582 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 2: Carson's DNA. Video was shown in court Willis sitting in 583 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 2: the back of a police cart telling his version of 584 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 2: the night before. He went on to insist he had 585 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 2: no idea his friends died just steps away from him. 586 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 2: What more do we know? 587 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 15: You look at any of their facebooks, any picture that's 588 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 15: posted that it's not of their family, it's of these men. 589 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 15: And if just one of them, even two of them, 590 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 15: passed out at the same time, which is already impossible. 591 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 15: You know, the other man would have absolutely brought them 592 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 15: inside and called for help something. So that's just insane. 593 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 2: This is what Platt County Prosecutor Eric Xander tells us. 594 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 3: He saw a large play of cocaine allegedly supplied by 595 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 3: mister Willis that everyone was using. 596 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 2: According to prosecutors, the defendant provided it, the friend, the friend, 597 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 2: the scientists, the HIV researcher Jordan Willis, H thirty nine. 598 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 2: The best friend supplied a plate of coke, possibly laced 599 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 2: with fentanyl to his friends. You were just hearing from 600 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 2: our friends at KMBC nine US to doctor Kendall Crown's 601 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 2: joining us, Doctor Kendll crowns, I want to understand how 602 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 2: the use of these drugs, potentially cocaine cut with fentanyl. 603 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 2: Don't know if they knew it was cut with fentanyl, 604 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 2: what that would look like. I mean, it's hard for 605 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 2: me to understand. Although I've heard about it, I've prosecuted, 606 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 2: I've seen it at crime scenes where you have a 607 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 2: party and there's a plate of cocaine out. I mean, 608 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 2: I would think there'd be sandwiches and chicken wings right, salery, carrots, 609 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 2: ranch dip. There's a plate of cocaine and everybody's doing it. 610 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: You know how many times have you heard that, mom? 611 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: Everybody's doing it? 612 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 2: How are people supposed to know that cocaine can be 613 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 2: laced with dentanyl and what fentanyl can do with you? 614 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 2: Even a touch a fentanyl can kill you. So what 615 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 2: would fentanyl look like? Can it be in a powder form? 616 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 14: Yes, it can. Actually it'll be kind of in a wipe. 617 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 14: It can be in a white pottery form. It can 618 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 14: be in the form of a fake percocet, which is 619 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 14: a blue pill that has an M thirty label on it. 620 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 14: It can be a patch. It can even be on 621 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 14: a lazengers type sucker is one of the ways it 622 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 14: is distributed. But anyway, cocaine, if it's cut with something fentanyl, 623 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 14: can be very deadly. 624 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: And you don't know. 625 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 14: How much fentanyl has been put in there, how much 626 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 14: fentanyl you're actually getting with the amount of cocaine that's 627 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 14: been cut with it. So that's why you could have 628 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 14: a group of people sitting together and three of them 629 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 14: die and two of them live because one got more 630 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 14: fentanyl than the other. Because it's really not regulated like 631 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 14: a drug through the FDA. It's just widely all over 632 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 14: the place. So that's why the street drugs are very 633 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,879 Speaker 14: dangerous as you never know what you're getting. And one thing, 634 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 14: we've had cocaine cut with a dog dee wormer as well, 635 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 14: so it's incredibly dangerous. 636 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,280 Speaker 2: Under Kendel crowns, I have investigated cases, for instance, an 637 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 2: infant at daycare. Little did the family know that the 638 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 2: daycare provider was storing fentanyl there also dealing like I 639 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 2: think the husband or the boyfriend was dealing, and they 640 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 2: moved the fentanyl from one place to the next inside 641 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 2: the daycare, and that movement released particles of fentanyl and 642 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 2: the infant in hailed it or touched it. 643 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,720 Speaker 1: It killed the baby. 644 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 2: So if you've got a plate of cocaine lace with 645 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 2: any finnel at all, there's your OD right there. What 646 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,399 Speaker 2: started off, as I guess in good time is in death. 647 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 2: I mean you can die from even inhaling particles or 648 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,280 Speaker 2: touching particles of finfandol. 649 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 14: Yes, fentanyl is incredibly dangerous and even its friend or 650 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 14: another derivative of it, car fentanyl, is even more dangerous. 651 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 14: It's come down to the fact that law enforcement and 652 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 14: paramedics will now carry in a lock zone, which is 653 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 14: a way to counteract the effects of the opioid in 654 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,439 Speaker 14: their rigs or in their cars to if they get 655 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 14: exposed to it and begin having symptoms, they can take 656 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 14: it and try and save themselves. So fentanyl is incredibly dangerous. 657 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 14: It's not a drug you really should mess with, you know. 658 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about these victims and how they ended 659 00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 2: up frozen in plain view of their so called Jordan Willis. 660 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to think about their families. Dave 661 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,240 Speaker 2: mac tell me about the victims' families. I know Jonathan 662 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 2: is here speaking on behalf of his brother Ricky, who 663 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 2: died that day, whose body sat out there freezing for 664 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 2: so long. 665 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: What about the other victims, you know? 666 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 5: Nancy? Mister Harrington's mom, Theresa, claimed she's been kept out 667 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 5: of the loop since the bodies were found. She said 668 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 5: that they wouldn't tell me anything. Now she is saying 669 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 5: that the statements made it easy to think that they 670 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 5: had already made up their minds and there wouldn't be 671 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 5: any further investigation. And she's really pushing back on this. 672 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 5: She said the arrest didn't really clear up any speculation 673 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 5: about the dead, saying quote, I still don't know anything 674 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 5: about how my son died or his last moments. That's 675 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 5: pretty upsetting when you look at this over a year 676 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 5: down the road, that she doesn't know any more than 677 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 5: you and I might know. 678 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: Well, Kendall Crown's what was some one go through? 679 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 2: If they literally sat outside and an accidental ventyl stupor 680 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 2: and froze dead, that would be horrible, But they couldn't 681 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,399 Speaker 2: get up and move. 682 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 14: So basically, fentyl makes your respiratory drive decrease and makes 683 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 14: your brain not think it needs enough oxygen, and so 684 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 14: you slowly kind of drift off into a coma that 685 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 14: eventually your brain, not getting enough oxygen, begins to die, 686 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 14: which causes your lungs to fill with fluid, and then 687 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 14: you pass away. It wouldn't necessarily immobilize you to the 688 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,359 Speaker 14: point that you couldn't get up and get yourself out 689 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 14: of an unsafe situation unless you've gone into a coma. 690 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,840 Speaker 2: So those individuals, how would they sit there and on 691 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 2: the porch and a lounge chair and lay in the 692 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 2: backyard if they could move? I mean, I'm certainly not 693 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 2: a medical doctor, but certainly they would get up off 694 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 2: the porch or get off the ground and come inside. 695 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 2: According to the defendant, the door was unlocked. I submit 696 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:11,280 Speaker 2: they couldn't. 697 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 14: Well, that's if they're so conscious, if they've gotten enough 698 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 14: fentyl in and it's caused them to go into basically 699 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 14: a coma, they can't move at that point, and then 700 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 14: they will either more likely than not die from the 701 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 14: fentanyl prior to dying from freezing to death, because there 702 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 14: are autopsy findings you'll find that'll show that they died 703 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 14: from hypoth rmia or freezing to death, which I haven't 704 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 14: seen any reports of that being found. 705 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: Alexis ter Roschut. 706 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 2: We keep referring to them as the Kansas City Chiefs fans, 707 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 2: and they were so much more than that. Tell me 708 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 2: about their families. 709 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: Well, Clayton mcginney was engaged. 710 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 6: He was engaged to a woman in April, Mahoney, and 711 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 6: they were very happy together. They were very you know, 712 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 6: he worked in construction, small business construction, and he was 713 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 6: going through a really rough time. There weren't a lot 714 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 6: of jobs, but they were still together at the time, 715 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 6: and she in fact started a GoFundMe to sell everybody 716 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,319 Speaker 6: like he was so wonderful, and he was somebody that 717 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 6: was her whole life, and the two of them had 718 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 6: all these future plans together and then it was abruptly 719 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 6: cut short. And in fact, she was the one that 720 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,760 Speaker 6: found that April was trying, trying trying to reach him, Clayton, 721 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 6: calling him over and over again. She's the one that 722 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 6: showed up at Jordan Willis's house. She broke through the 723 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 6: basement window, she got out, she found Clayton, and then 724 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,359 Speaker 6: the other two guys did. 725 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 2: Overnight we learned two arrested in the horrific deaths of 726 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 2: three Kansas City Chiefs fans watching a football game with 727 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 2: their so called best friend now behind bars. Arrested the 728 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 2: so called best friend, Jordan Willis, and a guy named 729 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 2: Ivory J. 730 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 1: Carson aka Blade. 731 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 2: Okay, straight back out to Jonathan Price, this is Ricky's brother. 732 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 1: Tell me your thoughts. 733 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, summing everything up, you know, I just 734 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,399 Speaker 4: you know, he was my brother. I cherished him a lot, 735 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 4: and his his three daughters, you know, and you know, 736 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 4: so a couple of them are a little bit young 737 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:25,359 Speaker 4: to fully understand. It's a it's very difficult to think 738 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 4: about what they are going through and the answers that 739 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 4: they've been neglected for all this time, and uh, it's 740 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 4: it's just, you know, very makes us very distraught. 741 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 2: Jonathan Price, you want to set the record straight on 742 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 2: some certain issues. 743 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 4: What well, one of the things that we've been told 744 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 4: since the beginning which did not make sense is the 745 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 4: ruling out of foul play, and you know, the the 746 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 4: amount of information that we've gotten since then, you know, 747 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 4: since January now, and it's it's been very disappointing. I'm glad. 748 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 4: I understand that it takes time, and you know, I'm 749 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 4: glad that we are finally getting some answers, but there's 750 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 4: there's still a lot out there that we don't fully understand. 751 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 4: And just three or four months ago, Jordan's lawyer was 752 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 4: saying that he thinks that charges will come, but not 753 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 4: to Jordan, and that's from talking to some prosecutor. So 754 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 4: that part doesn't make sense to me either. And you know, 755 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 4: I'm just the more I get back into this, you know, 756 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 4: the more pain that's coming back, just like there was 757 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 4: back then, and the more questions that are arising from 758 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 4: all of this. 759 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 2: Two defendants left standing in the case of three Kansas 760 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,240 Speaker 2: City chiefs dead in the backyard. 761 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 1: The two were just feet apart in court, but never. 762 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 2: Even looked at each other, much less uttered a word 763 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 2: to each other. And that hearing went for over three hours. 764 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,280 Speaker 2: That's a long long time to avoid each other's gaze. 765 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,080 Speaker 2: What does that tell me They're gonna blame each other. 766 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 2: A lot of finger pointing is gonna go down in 767 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 2: this courtroom when trial occurs. We wait as justice unfolds. 768 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,280 Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.