WEBVTT - Conversations About Culture and Experience 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.360 Watch up and welcome back to another episode and no 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:07.480 Sillers podcast with your host. Not funk that with your 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:20.480 low glasses, Malone. So I don't like them up, Shout 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:26.560 out to my boy d Cornerboy Exotics, Hornery Cornerboy Exotics. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:29.640 He brought your jacks. He said, he's gonna bring you 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:35.120 all jays every uh pod. That's nice. Every pod you 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:40.360 guys will have fresh Jay's and they're pretty fat too, 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:45.680 nice smells. I like it. No, no, he said he 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.160 was gonna show all. I said it was gonna soft. 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:56.200 Can't get it going. It's two pack two times, but 0:00:56.320 --> 0:01:04.479 she's gonna get the perfect cherry. There we go see ca. Yeah, Okay, 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:12.520 so it's this ship going to kill y'all high. I'll 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:14.320 just tell you ahead of time, this shifting to kill 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.360 your high. Okay, you ain't gotta be upset. And then 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.000 I'm gonna let you all get your little mind right, 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.800 like my like my nigga milk say save take that 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.520 something pool that save point. Folks say, get your mind 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:30.080 right because it's gonna be a cold trip. Oh ship. Okay, yeah, 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.479 let me keep my mind that some po at some point, folk, 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:38.640 se to get your mind right f y. I never 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:42.240 tell a person don't smoke. What I'm just tell you, 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.160 I don't smoke weed for you got here because D 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.880 dropped off. But that's what you did say that. You 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.240 were just like, don't smoke. I was like, what, that's 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.120 just D dropped off. JA, I'm looking at for y'all 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:59.360 got you let me see mm hmm. I'm kind of scared. 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:01.160 I would have we had a clear frame of ie, 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.960 you talking about it. Let's be up. And this is 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:14.400 one of those conversations. Okay, is this something you've been 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:19.079 thinking about for three weeks, um a couple of weeks. 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:23.240 I've been thinking about it probably for like I've been 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:27.919 thinking about it for a lot longer, um, a lot 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.080 longer than three weeks. Make sure y'all share the pod. 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.240 If you see the pod, you please share the pod. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:35.960 That's exactly what I was doing. And then I was like, 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:42.079 mm hmm, oh, this is really smooth, is pretty good. 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:49.440 This is good. But now that the topic itself is uh, 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.640 it's really important to me because I've been thinking about 0:02:53.680 --> 0:03:01.600 it probably since the beginning of two thousand. Okay, it's 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:06.560 gonna be even crazier. Yeah, it's crazy. It's it's no 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.320 because yeah, you need to probably put that out you 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:14.600 talking about I'm gonna need the function. Yeah, this is 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:22.440 one of them conversations. So I have this conversation with 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.440 people when we talk about hip hop all the time, 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.359 and I tried to explain to people hip hop, right 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:32.600 is is black culture. It's street urban culture. More than 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.760 black culture, it's street urban culture. We just happened to 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:38.680 be the face of street urban culture. But there's a 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:40.760 lot more than us that make up street urban culture, 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.960 even though we are the centerpiece of it. Street urban 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:52.800 meaning like uh, densely populated, criminal written communities. That's what 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:56.240 street urban means. So if you grew up in the community, 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.960 they got crime, know what I'm saying, um, and it's 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.360 super dissely populated. That's the cornerstone for hip hop. You 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:07.560 become the representation. The reason they became invaluable is there 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:11.040 was no representation before hip hop forward. You didn't know 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.200 what the inner city kid was going through. They kept 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:19.080 the stories very uh either mainstream you know before that, 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.960 or they made it over the top like super Fly 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.680 or the Mac or you be like over the top 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:29.200 of the superhero right. Um, hip hop gave you access 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:34.559 to people, it's life, you know what I mean that 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:37.440 you could never see you can never see what it 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.039 was like for somebody growing up in Watch it was 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:44.159 only Sandford the Son, it was only jokes. Um that's 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:49.560 what made hip hop important. Fast forward, hip hop becomes 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:55.360 its things, huge, grand thing, big thing. Um obviously alone 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:59.440 the way Tupop, big different people died. You know, street 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.560 urban coach, you're you know, it's a real thing. So 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:06.599 sometimes it it's very price pricy. Somebody could lose their life. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.799 Um So I think for a while the game quite 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:12.720 didn't know what they wanted to do because it kind 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.520 of came under scrutiny because of the deaths of Tupac 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:19.760 and Biggie. Um So there was like in this weird space, 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.760 and I think they was okay until fifty cent happened. 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.800 Because when fifty cent happened, it became this super potent 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.480 version of street urban culture, super potent like where you 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:36.000 hadn't seen it since Snoop or Pock or all that 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.360 early stuff, you know, and it became impactful. It became influential, 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:43.120 like this nigga because you know, he comes to sales seven, eight, nine, 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.320 ten million. So now they're like, holy, this ship is popping. 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.080 This ship is going to happen again. He's in the 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.000 middle of a war with Ja Rule. They're like, man, 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.200 this could lead somebody can kill game. They see the game, 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.880 shit happened if somebody gets shot. So they like, Yo, 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.920 we need an out. We don't need this. We don't 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.520 need this to fall on our hands. You know what 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:05.160 I'm saying. We don't like, we don't need to look 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:12.120 bad with this again, about to go there ship two 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:16.240 thousand four births Kanye West. Okay, I knew his name 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:23.320 in this conversation. He deserves the bingest conversation. So he 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:28.960 became the savior, right, He became a savior for um 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.680 the game. The game like it wasn't sure I wanted 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:33.679 to go back in that dark hole. That true street 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.599 urban culture was the richness. So they kind of got 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:41.279 this shallow brother that was a scientist. Now, sure, I 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.920 think his topics were shallow to some degree as far 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.880 as street urban culture went, but I think his topics 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:51.960 were very mainstream fitting um. I always say the plight, 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.080 the plight of his struggles was like a car accident, 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:59.760 which is American example, Pie being accused of stealing pants 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.240 at the jobs. Maeric Pop think his plight was very 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.440 you know, as far as urban street life goes, that's 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:10.840 pretty much not really like everybody goes through car accidents, 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:16.480 that's normal, And so you thought that that made him 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.280 more relatable basically what you're saying. Yeah, and hip hop 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.640 is not really about being relatable. But I'm saying for him, 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.480 so he'd be kind of came like this hip hop 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.200 kind of star where his conversation was super pop. But 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.280 his scientific approach when it came to making these records 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.880 in the style of hip hop was like unbelievable. Like 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.880 he used a hip hop door and he came in 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.640 through that door, and his music, his his beat was insane, 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:47.600 what I'm saying, and but his topics were like he 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:56.720 didn't truly have the culture. Um fast forward to two 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:05.640 thousand two. Um M, people are really disappointed with ya 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.360 because they feel like he represented them Black people. I 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:11.000 don't care about what the rest of the world things. 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.320 I don't give a funk what they think. Let's focus 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.160 on us. So I think a lot of black people 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:21.280 are are upset because they felt he represented them. And 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.480 then they're like, well, we don't understand this rhetoric, or 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.440 we don't understand the rhetoric of slaveries of choice, so 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:30.320 we don't understand the rhetoric, the rhetoric of white lives matter, 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.760 or a lot of this stuff you're saying, we don't 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:37.960 get it right, mm hmm. And it made me think 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.760 today while I was boxing, it made me think like 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:47.280 there's a disconnect, right. The disconnect is the black experience 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:54.320 versus Black culture, experience versus culture, and it matters in 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:58.480 these conversations because we feel like all experience creates culture, 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:02.120 but it's not. It's way more complex. So that's what 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.679 I want to talk to you about today. So A right, 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:12.640 g L no ceilings, what's up? Break, what's up? No? 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:17.400 So it's like, um, so let me let me start 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.440 this by saying this, this is my thought on it, 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:23.600 this is my philosophy. The black experience is how people 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.720 treat you because they see you are black. That's the 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:33.600 black experience in America. Black culture is how we treat 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:38.720 other people, other people, How we treat each other other people, 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.040 how we talk to each other, the slang we use, 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.640 the foods we serve each other, the way we dress 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.640 how that's that's how we do our thing. The experience 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.320 is how the world sees us, and the culture is 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:59.960 how we see the world. Um, that makes sense as 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:06.360 starting point. So fast forward when you take somebody like, yeah, 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.280 and I was talking to one of my boys and 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.960 he was so upset. He was like, man, you know 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.880 he talking about this slavery is slavery is a choice ship? 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:21.800 And I said, uh, he was like that ain't no ship, 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:25.160 the community says, And I'm like, which community is? Because 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:30.000 from like, see, we black is this huge di spore 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.600 of experiences. Did y'all know that mode? It was a 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.240 lot of black people in America that were not slaves 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:40.280 during all the way fast forward to every black person 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:45.000 in America was not a slave. That's the first thing. 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.000 So to feel like every black person has the same 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:52.400 trauma about slavery that we pass on is just incorrect. Now, 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.160 the belief is that other black people that even though 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:59.800 they're not, they should be empathetic to what these other 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:06.280 people went through. If I asked somebody in Beverly Hills 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:10.040 to be empathetic towards the struggle of a gangbanger, do 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.600 you think they really understand it? They're definitely not gonna 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:18.480 understand it definitely not gonna understand it at all. They're 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:23.160 gonna they're gonna feel as though, honestly, they'll just look 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.440 at it us like if they're just violent or just 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.440 anything negative against, they're not gonna even think anything positive. 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.320 So what do you think some black people thought about slavery? 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:34.400 Some black people, like, what do you think about the 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.920 black people who was on the plantation that were not slaves? 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.119 Mm hmm, there was, but they were on the plantation. 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.800 They were just So let's talk about two specific other 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.080 black people that had other Black communities. Because there's the 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.800 black community that's us, the people that's on the plantation. 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.240 Then there's a black community of people that were not 0:11:55.320 --> 0:12:00.840 slaves or got their freedom. That's one community. Then there's 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.520 another community in the black community that we don't talk about, 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:07.840 which is the black community that owned slaves. M to 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.120 believe that black people didn't own black people, that's just 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:15.200 not true, right. So these are all communities that range 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.600 in our disport as far as our experience in America. 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.320 Some of the other ones don't get talked about as much, 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.760 but those exist. So the point I was, the question 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:28.960 I was asking you is what do you think, um, 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.520 what could you imagine what a black person. Now, let's 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:33.959 say it's the black community that doesn't own slaves, that 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:39.640 just look at these people like slaves. What do you 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.000 think about Most black people say about people that's in jail, 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.160 they're like, oh, you know what, I'm wondering if they're 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.760 eating correctly. I wonder if people are treating them correctly. 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:52.920 A lot of people don't care. And I'm talking about 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:58.600 this is another community within the black community, right motherfucker 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:13.240 don't replay. They don't. They don't understand it. So it's like, um, 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.520 I won't say that they don't care. I mean, of 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.839 course he has some care, but it's just they don't 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:22.240 understand it. So it's just they only I guess they 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.480 don't care. They just don't care. They understand it. They 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.080 don't have to understand it. They don't care to understand it. 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.240 Like for you to be emphatic, you have to care, 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.160 or you you're you're trying to put yourself in that 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.240 position or in their shoes in a sense, so or 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.200 trying to have a feeling. But they don't. You don't. 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:42.000 Some people, they just they're not empathetics. Right now, a 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.680 lot of people lack empathy. It doesn't matter the race 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:48.640 or not. They just really people in general. So it 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.960 wouldn't be unbelievable that some black people who weren't slaves 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:57.480 during the hundreds wouldn't be empathetic to what was happening 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.719 to other black people that was on plantation slavery. Right now, 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:04.040 what about the community that was black people? Their own 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.200 Black people? Do you think they would be empathetic towards 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:14.120 slaves because because they own them? They don't think, I mean, 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:15.959 why would they if they were empathetic, they wouldn't be 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:20.520 why were they own them? So fast forward now, I'm no, 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:24.160 I'm not disagreeing. So fast forward now, right, you got 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:30.560 somebody like Kanye West. I would like to believe, right, 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.760 his experience. Now I'm not. I don't know this to 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:36.880 be fact, but I know enough people around him to 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.120 ask questions and find out what's true. His mother, Let's 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:43.160 say his mother is somebody who bought her paperwork, she 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.560 bought her freedom, or let's say her parents bought their 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:51.960 freedom and raised her free. So she's aware of the 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:56.600 struggle and the you know, the trauma of being a slave. Right, 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.480 whether or not she was a slave is irrelevant. I 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.040 mean whether she bought her papers, but she ended up 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:06.280 becoming a doctor in America, got a pH d. You 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:07.960 know what I mean. She raised Kanye in the middle 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:12.880 class south side suburban Chicago neighborhood, put him in really 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.840 good schools, great education, you know, I mean that was 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.800 the goal. Mind you. The first project is called college Dropout. 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:25.560 He dropped out of the university. Right, It's really important 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:29.160 that we established these things. So if you don't grow 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:35.000 up with slaves on the plantation in these ghettos, what 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:39.400 I'm saying, his connection to slavery, you know, his true 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.600 immediate connection would have been his mother. Right. That's somebody 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.160 either that bought her paperwork or her parents were slave 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.200 and they raised her free. Right. I would like to 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.960 believe that's true. Maybe his family is not a long 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.120 line of slaves. Maybe his family could have been people 0:15:53.120 --> 0:16:00.520 who it really wasn't never slaves. Right. So when I 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:04.240 hear people say he's not representing the black community, I 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.880 keep telling them what the community are you talking about? 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.040 What made me want to talk about this today is 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.880 a couple of different friends and the different angles. One 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.760 of my partners that who professionally said glasses, do you 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.520 feel like you own a right, Like who are you 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:23.920 to declare somebody's blackness? And what I told him was, 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.200 you know, do you feel like you're in the position too? 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:31.200 And I was like, yes, there's levels to blackness, right 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.800 you have. Let's say a kid that grows up in 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:37.800 Beverly Hills, he's black. What the funk? What do you 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.480 know about black culture? Where would he get it from? 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:44.040 He listened to a rap record, he watched some TV, 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:48.640 he watched the film Black Cultures. When you walk outside 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.760 your door, it's not just inside your house, is when 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:55.560 you walk out your door. That's a perfect example somebody 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.800 that could have a black experience. He can go places 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.440 and people treat this person like a nigger, But his 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.280 friends don't talk to him the way we talk to 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.800 each other. That's the difference between culture and experience. We 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.280 had a friend that was like that. He literally his 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.840 family was rich, as you know. They were like, um, 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.960 I'm not when music industry and richest hill lived in 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.680 the Hollywood Hills. And he would have his show for 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:22.199 bring him to the hood to hang out with like 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.159 all of us, and we were like, why would you 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.960 want to be here? You got a big gass house, 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.399 up there, but he he was black. He's black, but 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:35.240 he literally didn't know anything but that he was raised there. 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.560 But he just wanted to be with his people, with 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.080 people that other people that are black. He wanted to 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:46.560 partake in the culture. So somebody like Kanye, you know 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.480 when people when people tell me, you know, oh man, gee, 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.880 you know, I'm not one of those people that defend Kanye. 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:59.080 I think Kanye has been this kind of cornball lass 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:03.840 nigga this time right from the start. Like I've been 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.560 saying that since his first project is called College Dropout, 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.439 Like my nigga were selling drugs, We fuck you talk 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.840 about college. I'm not mad at no brother that go 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:14.959 to college. I'm just saying that's a far stretch from 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.200 hip hop. As far as the conversation, it's nothing wrong 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.199 with it, because we do need that conversation represented in 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.800 hip hop as long as there's some elemented street to it. 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.840 But the thing about Yea, he was, yeah, always been 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.080 this person like like I keep saying, like Eddie Winslough, 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:32.160 Like when you listen to him talk, he talked about 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:38.080 how much he looked up to Marylyn Monroe. Eddie a 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:42.280 middle class suburban Chicago black team that that grew up 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.119 in a suburb it he don't know the culture. And 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.600 if you remember, there was an episode of Family Matters 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:52.119 because where he ran into the streets and his dad 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:55.160 had to come save him. So he's trying to tell 0:18:55.200 --> 0:19:00.280 me that he so the cousins, the aunties, the brother like, 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:06.160 there's no family like. He didn't grow up black like us, 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.160 Like okay, so it's like black like us. And that's 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:13.800 my point. What do we mean like us? Okay said 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:15.960 or nothing like that. He didn't have a cousin auntie. 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.879 What she's saying is a grandmother somebody else that wasn't 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:22.760 in the actual home. Maybe he visited or went somewhere. 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.680 I don't know, but I'm saying, let's say he does. 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:31.399 Is that going to wrap you in black culture? A visit? No, No, 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.280 I'm not a visit. Okay. So let's say he did 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:38.680 go visit the projects in Chicago when they were there 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:43.160 spending summers. They're going, like, you know what I'm saying, 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.600 You're going down to your grandmother's house. This is where 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.399 Let's say he didn't do that, So that's not Is 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:53.560 that enough to really bathe you? In our conversation as 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:57.880 far as the plantation conversation, Like let's say, let's say 0:19:57.920 --> 0:19:59.639 if you wasn't on the slave right, you wasn't on 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:01.840 the plan Let's say we lived on the plantation, was 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.119 picking cotton for it, was getting sucked up picking it 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:08.200 for free. The black kid that you know, weird family, 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.320 he comes spending night's day in the outhouse with us 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:12.320 and all that for the weekend and go back to 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:14.960 his Do you think he would understand all the conversations 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:18.760 that we have. No, definitely not. How legit would his 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:27.440 cultural experience be. Yeah, I mean like his coach summers 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.639 coming down for Let's say you come on the plantation 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:36.639 for ninety days and you leave, you feel like you 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.359 know what it's like it's like to be a slave, 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.280 Like you get to leave. Isn't that the whole point 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.719 of slavery if you could just leave and ship at 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:48.479 the end of the ninety days. Because I don't know 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:52.760 if you quite get the slavery point, and that's how 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:54.959 it was for people that come to where we're from, 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.239 Like I don't know if you truly get culture in 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.240 the fullest way, if especially as a slave, with the 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.640 whole point where you just couldn't leave. I mean, if 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:05.240 if the slaves could just leave when they want to, 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.480 I don't know if slavery would be as disregarded as 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.600 it is. I think it would be like, Okay, it's 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:17.000 the same that I can believe what I want to. So, 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:20.720 so hints why Nigga would say slavery is a choice? 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:27.439 Mm hmmm, because he could say why he said that 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:35.919 don't matter? No, I'm saying, like slave? Why did you say, like? 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:40.600 What made him? Because he visited the plantation? He visited 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:49.920 the plantation for the weekend at best? Wow? Why do 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:57.640 you say that the plantation for the weekend at best? Okay, 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:00.480 so he could be telling other kids. So he could 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:02.480 be telling the other kid again. See that's the point 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:04.199 you said. He still shouldn't be saying that because you 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:09.040 come from the plantation. If you don't come from this 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:12.879 way of life, it is you think white people. If 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:15.000 white people really thought that they was sucked up cause 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:16.760 slaf you think they'd just be cool. Why he isn't 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:19.560 that They ain't be feeling horrible. They don't feel horrible 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:23.120 about slavery. What's funny is they feel more horrible about 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:26.840 the Holocaust. You would think they are German. Well they'd 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:29.800 be like, it's up. First off, only German people did 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:32.720 all white people did this to us. German niggas asked 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:34.880 slave French white people as Slash and his white who 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:38.760 asked English one. The whole another story. But I'm saying 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:41.800 when you when Kanye talks, so when people say he's 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:43.880 not in the community or he don't think he black, 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:47.720 he's not are black. See, that's the thing. And that's 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:49.800 what I was telling my hoop because I was telling 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:55.000 because like, bro, you think like it there's levels to 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:58.760 this ship. It's black ship. It's not somebody's blacker. But 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:01.840 it's probably because the other there they group us all 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:05.000 into one, so it is well we are one. Yeah. 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:11.119 So they're like he's like he's representing us because they 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:14.760 were grouped into Yeah. But can a can of black 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:21.440 Democrat represent a black Republican? But when he does something stupid, 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:26.399 then it's all black people. But but I'm saying, only 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.960 it's not because that's the problem. He doesn't speak for 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:33.679 the slaves. It doesn't matter that he doesn't speak, it's 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:38.960 this the whole representative like his whole, he represents us. 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:43.560 I agree, he's a black person. He doesn't represent us 0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:47.480 to us, that's the problem. See he represents us to 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:51.200 white people, right, that's but that See, that's what I'm 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:54.520 saying is to everyone. I get that you're saying for us, 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:57.960 but for everyone, like he knows, like he knows, he 0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:00.800 does it. The fact that you think that everybody got 0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:03.480 our skin tone would know this, Why the funk with 0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:07.080 somebody who's never been everyone? But I think he does? Why? 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:09.400 Because I just think he does? You know why? Because 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:13.680 you want do you think this ship? Do you think 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:15.560 this ship we got got something to do with being smart? 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:18.320 You know, the smartest motherfucking crag. I can't tell you 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:22.280 what it's like being a slave, So why the funk 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:25.119 would you think intelligence or education got something to do 0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:27.480 with this? Mou've been able to figure out what's up. 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:31.760 I'm just trying to know. This is my point. So 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:34.880 when somebody says to me, glasses you know, don't you know? 0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:36.840 Ask me what I make. I don't need to make 0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:39.359 excuses for Tanye. This has been because the whole time, 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:43.920 this has been because the whole time he very much 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:47.359 is a Negro. He's a black man in America, but 0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:50.840 he not from where we from. Even though he used 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:52.840 our door, he came through the hip hop door. And 0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:55.280 that's why y'all feel betrayed. Y'all feel like there were 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:58.800 times he represented y'all. Y'all feel like when he said 0:24:58.800 --> 0:25:01.320 that George Bush don't like black people, even though that 0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:03.919 no nigga history ever talked like that, that you that 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:09.000 we affiliated with us like the niggas like the President Reagan. 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.280 That's how we talk. This nigga said George Bush doesn't 0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:17.280 like black people. That was a bit diet nigga right there. 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:23.680 That was diet nigga right there, Diet nigga. That's diet. 0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:25.800 That's and the thing y'all all fell in love with 0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:27.959 it because I was like, oh, he he's That's not 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:33.000 how we talk, not not where we talk where I'm 0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:36.880 from now. I don't know how people who don't wasn't 0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:40.680