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Earlier this week of 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:24.720 feature story came out on the on the scouts, not 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:30.000 the players, not the gms, but the scouts. M okay, 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.120 deserve no doubt about it. But there was also another 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:34.760 story out in the chime on the bells, you know 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.320 the jingle on the TV broadcast that precedes every pick. 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:42.000 You get a story on the chime on the jingles, 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.479 and so at that moment, you know, okay, it's time, 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.400 right based on all the above, let there be draft picks. 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.480 Let Moni cook, and we're to talk about it on 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.120 the Big Red Rage. Paul Calvis here, Ron Wolfley. 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.480 There, Pully. Scouts are people too. 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:58.640 And they do an unbelievable job, and they pay an 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.400 unbelievable price, all the road trips and the miles they 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:04.200 put in, and now this is their super Bowl. Right 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.800 here we go twenty twenty five NFL Draft, and we'll 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:08.360 get to that in a moment. He goes, guess what 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:12.520 has started here in twenty twenty five the off season program? 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.640 And so the players come in, they get going. We 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:17.799 had a chance to talk earlier this week with Garrett 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.360 Williams of Paris Johnson Junior and Michael Wilson, and you know, 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.520 Wolf there was a moment where I said, oh my goodness, 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:27.680 this whole method of finding guys who will quote all 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:31.920 ball MANI and JG. Yes, you see it in every 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:35.600 one of the last two draft classes they've done. You're 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:37.320 not going to hit on every pick, and not every 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:38.840 pick is going to be an all pro, but you 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.360 know what, they have been very successful from what I 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.639 can tell, and finding the guys with the mentality they're 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:45.079 looking for. 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.640 There's no doubt about it, Pauli. This is something that 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.600 I think is trending very very well. If you're an 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.920 Arizona Cardinal fan. The fact that many austen for it. 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.360 I don't know who it is. Maybe it's Dave Sears. 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.880 I don't know who it is. There's somebody that is 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.160 actually sitting in there, maybe it's Moni himself, sitting in 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:07.520 there interviewing these guys, interviewing all of these prospects, and somehow, 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.880 some way being able to discern whether or not they're 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.240 telling the truth, whether they're not, whether or not they're 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:18.280 legit or not. PAULI, there's some way they're vetting these guys, 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:23.600 these prospects, and they're hitting on these prospects. Everybody can 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.799 look at tape. Everybody can watch watch a guy run 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.840 a forty or watch a guy do a three comb drill. 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:34.120 Everybody can do that. It's how do you decipher whether 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:38.360 or not this individual that you're interested in drafting is 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:42.120 actually a squared away dude and has the right mentality 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.560 to fit inside your locker room. Man, you gotta vet him. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.640 And montiasin Fort and his staff have done a very 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.440 very good job in terms of doing that, Paully, and 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:56.800 that bodes well. One's a point, two's a trend, three's 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:00.480 a pattern. If he nails this draft as well, that's 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.440 three in a row. Look out. This is the way 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:07.040 the Lions built their dynasty right now, no doubt. 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.840 Yeah, there was some sort of analytic about the Lions 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.840 have rushed the draft better than anyone in recent history 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.720 in the NFL, and the Cardinals are making inroads on 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.240 that over the last two draft classes. Think about the 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:22.520 rookie draft class. No team had more two years ago. 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.920 That is, his rookie draft class had more snaps and 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.000 starts in any rookie class twenty twenty three. Last year, 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:32.479 a dozen draft picks, not including the undrafted guys like 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:37.760 Starling Thomas and Amari de Murcato and Elijah Higgins. I mean, look, 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:39.680 there's a reason there are so many mock drafts out 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.359 there because it's easy to put out a mock draft. 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.120 You can look at the stats, you can look at 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.480 the measurables. It goes way beyond that. So when you 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.840 have a Garrett Williams, who guess what was taken in 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.640 a Round three because he had a knee injury. But 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:55.279 they did the homework and they had an unbelievable meeting 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.719 once upon a time in Indianapolis at the Combine with 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.200 Garrett Williams, and they asked them the right questions, they 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:04.000 got unbelievable answers, and now he is an absolute building block, 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.800 up pillar of your secondary And here he is earlier 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.440 in the week talking about his excitement for the upcoming season, 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:10.440 Eric gar I mean. 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.520 Here's been a big sense of excitement because you know, 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.000 I think everybody here loves ball. And so when you 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.200 just keep adding guys who have that same mindset, and 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.440 especially now having three years of kind of the staff 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:22.480 kind of bringing in guys, they feel like fist the mold. 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.360 You definitely feel a little bit more of a more 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.279 focused group too. You know, even though it's only been 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.640 one day, but you know, I feel like you get 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.400 a sense of everybody's excited for the right reasons. 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.000 And by the way, he was asked about what do 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.120 you think about the Cardinals enhanced defensive front and he smiled, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.120 Oh yeah, just like a running game. As a quarterback's 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.080 best friend, a pass rush is a cornerback's best friend. 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.440 Yeah, no, no doubt about that ball. It's one of 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.000 the reasons why I think we will focus on the 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.640 box defensively as well. But Garrett Williams, this is what 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.400 I'm talking about. This guy. Think how much better he 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.560 could be in year two as well? Think how much 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.880 better he could be right now? Garrett Williams and his 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:04.919 development right now. I look at other guys as well. 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.120 Marvin Harrison Junior. You know, we talk about this all 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.640 the time. We look at him and we think, man, well, 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.800 you know, he had eight touchdowns and that was awesome, 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.960 and you know, over eight hundred yards receiving as well, 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:20.280 that was great too. I think that is going to 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:25.000 be just a sliver of what he is going to 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:28.159 do coming up this season. I think he's that type 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.320 of player poly where he's going to develop so much 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.600 more in his second year. You know that this is 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:39.760 something that we have noticed with these draft picks, whether 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.960 they're in year or two now or going into year three, 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.760 we have noticed these guys. They are developing at a 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:52.120 very quick pace right now under this regime with mantiasen 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:56.160 Ford of course, and Jonathan Gannon. I think of Trey McBride. 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.360 I think of Trey McBride. Okay, yeah, he's been here 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:02.920 three years. I understand that, But Trey McBride, his rookie 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:06.480 year was kind of a throwaway. He has developed in 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:10.080 a big, big way ever since Monti, Austin Fort and 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:14.440 Jonathan Gannon took over. He has developed in the last 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.080 two years to where he's the best tight end in 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:17.559 the game. 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.440 Darius Robinson. I think we're all real eager to see 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.720 what Darius Robinson looks like this year when he's not 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.360 dealing with the nagging calf injury. As we found out 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.720 into the year, he's never quite one hundred percent. You 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.120 mentioned Jonathan Gannon. Here's what he told the media and 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:33.360 when asked about what's it like to be in that 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:34.239 war room. 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.640 It's one of the things that gets you going, like 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:41.080 game day. Honestly, you know, there's not too many things 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.440 in the world you can do. That feels like the 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.200 rush after the national anthem before you kick it off. 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:48.480 The whole building feels that. 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.120 No doubt about it. Hog, I know, good point to that. 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.840 The intensity, the competitive level in the war room, and 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.800 there's there's a lot of that. I mean, obviously there 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.800 are you know, does everybody else's big board look like? 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.480 How are they valuing certain players? Who's calling? Maniasivoran mentioned 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.160 the media. You know, when some people call, you know, 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.880 they're serious. When other teams call, they sort of a 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:12.960 reputation is being frivolous and they're going to try and 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.720 you know, but uh yeah, don't think that this isn't 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.280 how all the general managers and decision makers are ultimately 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:21.760 judged drafted as. 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.280 Yeah, now, now I'm gonna say this, I don't think 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:28.400 it's quite as intense as lining up to go out 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.400 and cover a kickoff. Can I just tell you that 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.240 right now? JJ I would I would say, yeah, you 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:37.040 might want to be careful there for me at least, 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:41.040 But I love his intensity. And this is the thing 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:45.040 about JG right now, do you think players know that 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:48.920 their head coach is an intense dude? Do you think 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:53.040 they understand that you get a little greasy sometimes with 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:58.240 JG because he really enjoys the physicality of the game 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.640 of football. Not just a coach, not just a guy 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.840 that believes in schemes and coaching. And watch this, I'm 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:06.760 going to grease it up on the board right here. 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:11.480 Not just that, but a guy that understands, knows and 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:16.080 understands the physicality of the game and that the game 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:21.640 is still about that. That's the kind of intensity that 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.440 he brings to this team and expects out of his players. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.560 And that's why it's important you go out in draft 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:32.400 guys like that, in sign free agents that think the 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:33.440 same way. 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.400 Now, look, we're going to talk to Dave Pass here momentarily. 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:39.679 In fact couple of segments. We're going to do offense, 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.560 we're gonna do defense. But it's interesting when you see 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.160 all the different position groups have been mocked to the 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.719 Arizona Cardinals and a recent one, Wolf, I want to 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:52.680 get to you real quick, middle linebacker. And I had 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.080 a bit of an argument with Rob Frederickson on the 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.080 Red Sea Report. Okay, there's a little PTSD if you will, 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.920 about drafting a linebacker in round one. Yeah, and I 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.199 get it. But if I'm telling you it's Bobby Wagner 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:09.360 or Luke Keikley or Patrick Willis, you know if Johad 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.160 Campbell is that guy and we has to And then 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.600 I realized, do you know that Edger and Cooper last 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:16.680 year the first middle linebacker off the board went forty 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.680 fifth overall to Green Bay, and the Cardinals had Jahad 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.880 Campbell in for a thirty visit. Yeah, I'm wondering if 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.200 they're thinking, could Johoad Campbell fall to them at forty seven? 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.400 That would be remarkable, especially since he had some off 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.360 season shoulder surgery. I'm wondering, just wondering. Those are the 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.360 kind of things that manias when you look at the 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.000 visits and you realize the players that are visited and 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.280 you start thinking, maybe there's the thought pattern of who 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.480 could fall, and then you have to be poisoned and 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:43.160 ready to strike. 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.800 Boy, that is interesting right there. I did not even 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:50.720 consider that, Polly, But is that a possibility? Of course 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.120 it is. And do I like him? Yeah? Absolutely love 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.560 Johad Campbell, of course. I mean anytime you're talking about 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.120 a guy that plays in the box the way that 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.959 he does, with the physicality and the strength that he 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:06.760 does at the point of attack. You know, I'm sold. Yeah, 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:08.880 this is football. Bring it, bro. 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:13.920 I just love the vernacular, the language of the draft. 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:16.800 It's like all its own, like Daniel Jeremiah on Kenneth 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:22.160 Grant quote. Overall there is some assembly required, but his 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:26.880 physical tools are very loud and worth the investment. I 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.280 just love the lexicon of the draft right and the 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.520 way they And if you love the draft and you 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.240 love having a good time, we encourage you join us 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.600 the Draft Party on the Great Lawn YEP Thursday night 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:41.920 at State Farm Stadium April twenty fourth. Cardinals players, cheerleaders, 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.880 Big Red and your co host Adrian Wilson will be 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.800 out there. Cardinals Legend gates open at four free parking, 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.920 free admission. Just go to ezycardinals dot com Slash Draft Party. 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.040 You need a digital ticket Asycardinals dot Com Slash Draft 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.800 Party Day Pass. Next and the Big Red Rage presented 0:11:57.840 --> 0:11:59.960 by this Santan Ford in Gilbert. 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:08.040 Welcome back to land bau Man. 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:09.480 I wish I'd have known that was coming. 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.480 WHOA, whoa? 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:13.760 Did you know that was coming? 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.040 I had no idea. I looked up and all of 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.040 a sudden, a couple of f eighteen hornets right over 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:19.800 the stadium. 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:25.200 I'm surprised you're still alive after that. Whoa Hello, get 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.200 a doctor in here. I had no idea if that 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:30.040 was coming. 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.800 I believe that's buzzing the tower. 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.079 Oh so, legend and lore has it the day Pash 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:38.400 actually hit the floor. 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.120 True or false? He was under the counter. Oh, he 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:42.840 was under the counter. 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:46.040 Were they that low or was the crowd mic that good? 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:48.760 No, they were that low. 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.760 Because it sounded like I mean it most definitely sounded 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.880 like they buzz the tower. That is the broadcast booth. 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.680 Especially the F eighteen's right there, poly very distinctive tail 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:00.120 feather very. 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:01.480 So where does that come from? 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:01.720 Well? 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.079 That was green Bay, the site of this year's NFL draft. 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.120 That was circa two thousand and six. So here in 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.360 twenty twenty five, the town of Green Bay will become 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.520 a city bustling with the NFL draft and wolf. As 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.120 you know here on the Big Red Rage presented by 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:18.280 santan Ford and Gilbert. There are a select few people 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.920 in this world who really sit down behind the scenes, 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.120 right visit one on one with all these college players. Yeah, 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.760 get on the field, watch them up close, you know, 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.360 talk to the coaches who know these players' best And 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:33.199 since the GMS and scouts don't talk to us media types, 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.800 well we go to the broadcasters like Dave Pash ESPN, 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.080 who has a first hand knowledge of a lot of 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:42.200 the guys being mocked at the Arizona Cardinals. Dave, Welcome 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.040 to the Big Red Rage. And when you hear a 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:45.960 lot of these names getting thrown out, do you sort 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.400 of not you do have knowledge a lot of these guys, 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:48.760 don't you? 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:50.000 Well? 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.720 First of all, that was like top gun, Maverick level, 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:57.439 it was Green Bay, that was Maverick, take it it 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:01.040 low and like you're not an for you burn yourself 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:05.640 with coffee. Yes, that was awesome in terms of yeah, 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:09.960 poly In terms of the names, a lot of them 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:14.040 I've either seen on television, I've seen in person, or 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.400 I talked to as well. There are several of the 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.400 players that have been mocked to the Cardinals that I've 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.040 had a chance to meet with more than once. So 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.680 it's great if you know, you hear these names and 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:26.600 you get a sense of who these guys are and 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.280 whether you have a sense already of whether they fit 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.000 in with the Cardinals. And I think there are several 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:35.720 names I've heard who I had a chance to talk 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:37.280 to you personally that I think would be a great 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:37.680 fit here. 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.920 So, David, when you think of from a position standpoint, 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.960 what the Arizona Cardinals are in need of right now, 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.480 and I know that many Austin Ford says we're not 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.680 in need of anything yet. At the same time, if 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:54.400 you if somebody asked you what you think the Cardinals need, 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:55.240 what would you say? 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:00.000 I my opinion, Wolf is that there are probably four 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.960 positions the Cardinals would not draft in the first round 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:06.920 unless somebody absolutely falls to them that you never thought 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.440 would be there and that you absolutely have to take 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:12.040 a chance on because you couldn't live with yourself if 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:15.920 you didn't. And that's quarterback, running back, receiver, and safety. 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.520 I think we can pretty much cross off those positions 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:22.160 for a first round pick. I would say receiver. I'm 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.960 probably born on that one, but I think more than 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.600 likely it's not a position that they will take. My 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.080 guess is they go big offensive line or defensive line, 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.040 front or front seven. I do think there's a chance 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.160 of a corner. I don't think you can have too 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.040 many corners in the NFL these days. You can't have 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.040 too many pass rushers and you can't have too many 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.240 offensive linemens. So those are positions of need, but I 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.600 would say everybody needs those positions. So my guess is 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.960 the Cardinals will have several players when their name is 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.760 called and they're up, they left several players they probably 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:59.120 have in mind, and they will have made a decision 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:01.320 probably at that point, and if not, maybe they look 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:05.160 at trading down because if player A is equal to 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.480 player B and you think you can get player B 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.200 a pick or two picks later, maybe they make that 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:11.440 move and get another draft pick. 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.360 And that's interesting because the Cardinals have a half dozen 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.120 picks this year versus a dozen picks last year. We 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.600 know two years ago they got the most rookie starts 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.240 and rookie snaps out of any draft class. So it 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.400 just feels like to me, it's more about quality than 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:30.240 quantity this year. But yeah, if there's an opportunity to 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:33.200 maximize your picks because so many of players are rated similarly, 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:34.960 then why not take a couple more bites of the 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.760 apple at the same time. For example, there's an offensive 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:40.720 lineman that you cover it any's sitting there at ten 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.240 or thirteen, and you know Chicago or Miami is in 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.880 the market for an offensive lineman. I mean, Dave, do 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:50.280 you see a possibility of Montiasa for once again quality 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:53.200 over quantity, maybe sacrificing a pick and moving. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:56.400 Up, Paulie I do. I think this is the year 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.800 to go for it. I would have been surprised last 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:03.320 year year or the year before if the Cardinals would 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.960 have moved up to get a player and maybe cost 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:08.960 them a draft pick in the first round. But I 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:10.960 think if you're going to do it, this is the 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.520 year to do it. And only Manti asin Ford knows 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.959 if that guy, who that guy is, and if he's available. 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.840 We have no clue. They might have somebody that they 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.760 covet that they feel like as a game changer, and 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.560 they may already have had conversations with a certain team 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:32.639 thinking well, if this team is there and this player's there, 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.600 that team's not going to take that player. We need 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.840 to get up there and get him. I think if 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.080 you're going to do it, the time is now. But 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:45.159 at the same time, there is that risk of you know, 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.280 you just don't know what's going to fall to you 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.720 if you go and make that move, and so you 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:51.560 got to be willing to. 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.920 Live with that risk you mentioned many Austin Ford. I 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.760 think he's loving it right now because there's seven I 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.199 count seven position groups that have been mocked to the 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:04.000 Cardinals in round on guard, tackle, D line, edge, corner, receiver, 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.280 and now inside linebacker with Jehad Campbell. So okay, which 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.840 way nobody really knows And that's the point, that is 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.760 the plan. In fact, here's Maniasapport just talking about that 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.639 having that need to draft a specific. 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.560 Position, you can never go wrong adding a good player 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:22.960 and a good person. So I learned a long time 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.960 ago that you know, what is perceived as a need 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.720 or maybe not as a need one year and fast 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.240 forward three, four or five months later or a year later, 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:33.240 all of a sudden it is a need. And so 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.440 you know, we injuries happen in this game. You know, 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.080 player's player movement that happens from year to year. So 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:41.359 no matter where it is, if we can add an 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.439 impact player that checks boxes for us both on and 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:46.879 off the field, you know it's never going to be 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:47.480 a bad pick. 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:49.520 He also went on to say, yeah, they have a 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:53.159 certain number of guys that they think are worthy of 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.959 the sixteenth pick overall, and they do the math. If 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.760 those guys are still there three picks away, four picks away, 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.040 you know, then they'll stick. If all of a sudden, no, 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.640 there's not enough guys there, what them boom, they might 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:08.119 move out, move back for example, I mean, Dave, what 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.919 about the prospect we're talking defense here. We know the 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.639 Cardinals have spent reportedly about one hundred and thirty million 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:19.000 in improving their defensive front. Do you think that precludes 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.280 them from going edge or defensive tackle because this draft 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:23.840 is loaded in both positions. 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:27.440 Again, PAULI, I don't think you can ever have enough 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:29.840 of those guys. And having done a lot of SEC 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:32.359 games this year, I've seen a lot of these guys. 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.080 I've talked to a lot of these guys. Walter Nolan 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.919 is really intriguing and talking with their coaching staff, he 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.720 really matured and grew this year. James Pearce is a 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:43.879 guy that when he's on the field, he's hard to ignore. 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:47.200 And I've seen Mox where he goes early. I've seen 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:50.760 Mox where he goes late. Lamar Stewart I had Texas 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:54.920 A and M against Arkansas in Dallas this year and 0:19:55.240 --> 0:20:00.480 he is really talented, pretty freakish. And then you've got 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:04.119 somebody like John Ay Barron, who you know, again, I've 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.800 seen him go high and I've seen in mox where 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.440 he's lower. I think I would probably stay away from 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.960