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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Giants Huddle him in New York Giants podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm John Schmulkin. Welcome to the newest episode of the

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Speaker 1: Giants Huddle podcast. Today we'll talk to the newest member

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Speaker 1: of the New York Football Giants, Leonard Williams, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to Bob Glauber, who covers the Giants and

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Speaker 1: the Jets. Will talk about the Leonard Williams trade and

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Speaker 1: the NFL trade deadline and what didn't happen at that deadline,

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Speaker 1: and talk about the Giants season for the rest of

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Speaker 1: the year. But first want to remind you that the

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Speaker 1: to our first guest. I had a chance to talk

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Speaker 1: to the newest member of the Giants, Leonard Williams, who

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Speaker 1: the Giants acquired from the New York Jets in the

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Speaker 1: trade for a couple of draft picks prior to the

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Speaker 1: trade deadline. Here's my talk with Leonard after he arrived

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Speaker 1: toward and talked to the coaches here at the Giants

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Speaker 1: facility on Tuesday. Leonard, where were you when you found

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Speaker 1: out about the trade and what was your reaction? Um?

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Speaker 1: I was in the building actually, uh, just reporting for

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Speaker 1: you know, normal pre postgame you know, film and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that, and the coach and GM just grabbed me

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Speaker 1: and brought me into the office. So I can kind

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Speaker 1: of tell already what was going to happen. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I was happy to know that it was the Giants. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have to pack my bags and

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Speaker 1: moved to a whole new city just basically another thirty

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Speaker 1: minute and drive down the street. And UM, you know

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Speaker 1: my reaction was that, uh, you know, it was hard

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Speaker 1: to leave a team that that drafted me and showed

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Speaker 1: me love in the beginning of my career and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that. But and you know, all the love to

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Speaker 1: them for bringing me into the into the NFL. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm still excited to continue my career with

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Speaker 1: the Giants, and I'm happy that they wanted me here.

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Speaker 1: Before we did this interview, you a chance to meet

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Speaker 1: everybody here, the coaches, the personnel. What has that been

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Speaker 1: Like so far, it's been good, just getting adjusted. Um,

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Speaker 1: just taking a tour around the building, just to meet guys,

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Speaker 1: meeting the coaches and everything like that. And uh, you

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Speaker 1: know tomorrow is gonna be the first practice I get

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Speaker 1: to meet some of the players, and you know, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a big deal for me. I heard a

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Speaker 1: big Buck Allen is on the team now and meet

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Speaker 1: and him played together, So that's gonna be awesome. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the scheme a little bit. You played for

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Speaker 1: Todd Bowls when you're with the Jets. How similar is

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Speaker 1: what he asked you to do there to what James

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Speaker 1: Betcher is gonna ask you to do here? Um, I

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Speaker 1: heard it was really similar. Three or four defense. I

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Speaker 1: over some of the defense with the D line coach,

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Speaker 1: and uh, it looks pretty similar. And uh, I feel

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Speaker 1: you know, I heard it's gonna be good, so I'm

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Speaker 1: ready for it. What are some of the things you're

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Speaker 1: gonna focus on this week, so you can't hit the

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Speaker 1: ground running when you are put into the game on

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Speaker 1: Monday night against House. Uh well one, I already played

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Speaker 1: so I've already played them. I know what to do

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Speaker 1: Watching you play with the Jets last few years, I

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Speaker 1: saw you lined up all over the line over the

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Speaker 1: nose three technique, even outside when you guys Afford down lineman.

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Speaker 1: Where do you feel like you're most effective on the line.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm most effective as a three technique, but uh,

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Speaker 1: I think it's fun to be able to bounce around

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Speaker 1: look at some of the Evans metrics, you're one of

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Speaker 1: the run game. What is it about your game that

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Speaker 1: I think I have a lot of speed for my size.

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Speaker 1: Being able to be three d plus pounds and and

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Speaker 1: tackles is important. A lot of times is out of

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Speaker 1: your control if the quarterback gets rid of the ball quick.

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Speaker 1: But what are some of the things you were working

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Speaker 1: on to try to convert some of those quarterback hits

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Speaker 1: coming out fast, you know what I mean? It's a

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Speaker 1: it's hard to get to the quarterback. You'll see sometimes

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Speaker 1: on film. I know not the average fan or people

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Speaker 1: blitz um you know, a guy's running free to the

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Speaker 1: I've definitely been working on disengagement from a lineman as

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Speaker 1: instead of just trying to pull them all the way

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Speaker 1: to the quarterback, you know what I mean. Final question,

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Speaker 1: You'll be joining three of their very big guys on

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Speaker 1: really excited about. I've been watching them uh this year

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Speaker 1: tape with de line coach. And also this is my

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Speaker 1: play best for each other, when you guys can create

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Speaker 1: a relationship off the field. Leonard, great stuff, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: New York. Is happy to have you. And now we're

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Speaker 1: joined by Bob Glauber. He covers the NFL, including the

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Speaker 1: Jets and the Giants for Newsday, and we'll break down

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Speaker 1: what happened and what didn't happen at the trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: And Bob, you also have a book that people should

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Speaker 1: check out. Correct, Yes, I Dot's Gut's ingenious, The Story

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Speaker 1: of Ourselves. What a great era in pro football, sh Milk.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure you you recall that. I think you're

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Speaker 1: old enough to go back to that time. I do.

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Speaker 1: I remember the eighties well, that was my learning all

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Speaker 1: about the NFL growing up and watching those great matchups

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Speaker 1: between the Giants and the forty Niners, and of course

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Speaker 1: the Redskins with Joe Gibbs and nineties with the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: in the mix too. Uh, and boy, it really looks

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Speaker 1: like and we'll start to Leonard Williams stuff, because it

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Speaker 1: looks like Dave Geentleman is trying to build an old

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Speaker 1: school eighties uh defensive front here with some massive guys

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Speaker 1: already Dexter, Lawrence, B. J. Hill and Dalvin Tomlinson here

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Speaker 1: on from the Giants perspective. Well, John, I think that

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Speaker 1: that's a very good assessment of what Dave get Leman

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Speaker 1: bit of a risk Lennard Williams didn't really live up

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Speaker 1: It's funny if you look at some of the advanced metrics,

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Speaker 1: advanced metrics that does help a defense, but just not

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Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. You know, sometimes it's the people

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Speaker 1: great town around him. Um, there there have been times

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Speaker 1: getting to the pastor don't get the credit for the

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Speaker 1: And let's face it, it's a harder league to get

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Speaker 1: very much, John, We'll see you. That's Bob Glauber from

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