1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: This is the Blueberg Day BAQ podcast. Good morning, It's Friday, 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 2: the thirteenth of March. I'm Caroline Hepgat in London. 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: And I'm Stephen Caroline Brussels. Coming up today, Bloomberg sources 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: reveal that Russian intelligence is providing information for Iran's deadly 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: retaliation strikes. 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: Investors hunt for safe havens is the war shatters decades 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: old strategies. 9 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: Plus counting the cost The price of oil remains high 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: as fears over the economic costs grow in Europe. 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: Let's start with the roundup of our top stories. 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: Sources have told Bloomberg that Russian intelligence is supporting Iran's 13 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: retaliation against the US, Israel, and Golf allies. According to 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: people familiar with US and Western intelligence assessments, Moscow is 15 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: providing Tehran with information including satellite imagery and drone targeting tactics. 16 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: It remains unclear how timely or operation the effective that 17 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: intelligence has been. Russia has denied involvement. Evelyn Farcas is 18 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: the former US Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, 19 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 1: Ukraine and Eurasia. 20 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 3: It underlines the fact that Russia is our adversary. Russia 21 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: is aligned with China, with Iran and North Korea, against 22 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: the United States and its allies, including the golf allies 23 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,279 Speaker 3: in this case, so there's no question that we should 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 3: be putting the squeeze on Russia. 25 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: Farcas's comments come as the US gave the green light 26 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: for more sales of Russian oil. It widens a temporary 27 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: waiver given last week to India, allowing buyers to purchase 28 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: Russian oil that's already on tankers at sea. US Treasury 29 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 1: Secretary Scott bess And called it a narrowly tailored, short 30 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: term measure to stabilize oil prices. However, it offers a 31 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: crucial financial windfall for Putin as the country struggles to 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: contain the financial strain from its war with Ukraine. 33 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: President Trump and Iran's new supreme leader have both delivered 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: defiant messages in the past twenty four hours. In a 35 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: social media post in the past few hours, President Trump 36 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: warned Iran to watch what happens today. He added, we 37 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: have unparalleled firepower onlimited ammunition and plenty of time. That 38 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: follows the first public statement from Mushteburg Harmony since succeeding 39 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: his father. He said that the Islamic Republic would seek 40 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 2: to ensure that the Strait of hull Moos remains shut. 41 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: That comes after US Treasury Sectary's Gott best And spoke 42 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: to Sky News about plans to escort tankers through the strait. 43 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 4: I believe that as soon as it is militarily possible, 44 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 4: the US Navy, perhaps with an international coalition, will be 45 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 4: escorting a vessels through. 46 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: Scott Best speaking there as disruption in the Strait of 47 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: hull Moos continues to throttle global ore supplies, with the 48 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: price of Brent hovering around one hundred dollars a barrel 49 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: this morning. 50 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: After fourteen days of strikes, the US and Israel are 51 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: struggling to dent Around's missile launching capacity. Israeli military officials 52 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: say two thirds of Iran's missile launchers have been destroyed, 53 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: little change from the sixty percent they reported last week. 54 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Benjamin Ettanniaho says their strikes are creating the 55 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 1: conditions for regime change in Iran. 56 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 5: Soft yard I added another objective, which is to create 57 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 5: the conditions for the Iranian people to truly remove themselves 58 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 5: from this terrible tyranny regime. Creating the conditions does not 59 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 5: guarantee that it will happen. And I told now the 60 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 5: things I said a short moment ago. I said, it's 61 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 5: up to you. 62 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: Depends on you, Netanyahu. They're saying via translator that regime 63 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: change depends on the Iranian people. The UK government meanwhile 64 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: says that it has mounting evidence that Iran is laying 65 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: mines in the Strait of Hormuz, in a sign that 66 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: Tehran is looking to extend the war. 67 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: A refueling plane that was part of the American military 68 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: campaign against Tevan has crashed over western Iraq. US Central 69 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: Command says the plane wasn't shot down, but was instead 70 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: involved in an incident with another aircraft, which landed safely. 71 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: The statement gave no information about the crew or the 72 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: number of people on board. 73 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: The war in Iran has left investors trying to pinpoint 74 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: pockets of safety. That's as the situation forces investors to 75 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: look beyond traditional playbooks. Blinmbrooks t at a Bio has 76 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: the story. 77 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 6: The basic assumptions that have underpinned hedging strategies for decades 78 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 6: are being undone by the escalating war in Iran. Government bonds, 79 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 6: which typically rise during periods of market stress, and now 80 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 6: moving in the same direction of stocks, whilst oil markets 81 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 6: are going through unprecedented turmoil. The result, fund managers forced 82 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 6: to find new strategies, from selected equities to commodities like 83 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 6: aluminium and soybean oil. All of them are trying to 84 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 6: insulate against the stagflationary shock expected in the event of 85 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 6: lasting oil price increases. In London, Tiwa at a Baio 86 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 6: Bloomberg Radio. 87 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: Costs of war are driving up yields on longer dated 88 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: government bonds as worries about budget deficits grow. The thirty 89 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 2: year US treasury yield is close to four point nine percent, 90 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: the highest in a month. Former IMF Deputy Managing Director 91 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: Geita Gopinath, now a professor of economics at Harvard, says 92 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 2: the war may have further economic consequences if this continues. 93 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 7: Well passed a few weeks and we're looking at now 94 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 7: average for the year hitting eighty five. Now that's beginning 95 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 7: to shaw off like point three percentage point to global 96 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 7: growth point four percentage point, and global inflation starts going 97 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 7: up by fifty basis points sixty basis points. 98 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 2: Gita Gopinathur was speaking as global bonds have surrendered their 99 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: year to date gains, with yield spiking from the UK 100 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: to Germany, to Australia and Japan. Now economists see the 101 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: European Central Bank keeping interest rates unchanged through twenty twenty seven, 102 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: even as inflation threats resurface. A bloom Dug survey conducted 103 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 2: last week shows only seven percent of respondents expect a 104 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: move by December, and less than a third see any 105 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: tightening by the end of next year for the ECB. 106 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: In the United States, a man has been killed after 107 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: ramming his vehicle into the front doors of a synagogue 108 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: in Detroit, Michigan. Authorities say the crash set off an 109 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: exchange of gunfire with security officers. A fire ignited in 110 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: the vehicle, but nobody inside the building was hurt. Here's 111 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard. 112 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 8: No kids or no staff was injured whatsoever. Okay, So 113 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 8: we have no victims other than one of the lead 114 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,119 Speaker 8: security people was hit by the car and was taken 115 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 8: to the hospital for treatment. That individual should be okay. 116 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: That's Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard. Temple Israel describes itself 117 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: as the largest reform synagogue in the United States. 118 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: Those are our top stories for you this morning. Look 119 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 2: at the markets. All country Weld index is down two 120 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: tens and one percent, masci Asia Pacific Index down one percent, 121 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: the cos B is dropping one point nine percent. The 122 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: US and European stop futures though just a little bit 123 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: in the green. The worries around the escalation the warries 124 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: ahead of the weekend because the war in Iran are 125 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: very evident. Japanese yen falling to its weakest level since 126 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: July twenty twenty four. You've also got the dollar this 127 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: morning stronger a tenth of one percent. Inflation worries really 128 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: weighing on bond's tenuere Treasury yields this morning training at 129 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: four point eight nine percent. This is gold is up 130 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: by half of one percent this morning. And we have 131 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: major central bank decisions all to come next week, the FED, 132 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: the ECB, the Bank of Japan. 133 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: In a moment, we'll bring you more on Russia's links 134 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: to the Iran war, plus what the surge and energy 135 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: prices means for European economies. What another story that we've 136 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: been reading this morning on the use of AI in warfare. 137 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: Katrina Manson gives us an expert from her book Project Maven, 138 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: which is a behind the scenes look into how the 139 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: US military has been pursuing AI powered tools of war 140 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: for a decade. Now they are being used in the 141 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: Iran warr and allowing the US to attack one thousand 142 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: targets in the first twenty four hours. That's about twice 143 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: the scale of the Shock and Dog campaign in Iraq 144 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: in two thousand and three. But Katrina writes that the 145 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: military is hoping that the Maven smart system can reach 146 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: the point where it can identify and select one thousand 147 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: targets in a single hour. That's according to one source 148 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: that she spoke to. The military is also looking at 149 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: putting AI into one way attack drones that can locate 150 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: targets and carry out attacks even when communications have been severed. 151 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: This is a really interesting behind the scenes look at 152 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: how the technology is being implemented and has been worked 153 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: on for such a long period of time in the 154 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: US Defense Department. Of course, something that we've been talking 155 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: about in the context of the anthropic case against the 156 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: Department of Defense, who wanted guardrails put on the use 157 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: of their technology. But I mean it's pretty frightening. 158 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, frankly, but it is a hugely well researched. 159 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 2: There are lots of different companies that Katrina, you know 160 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: names that are involved in this space. I mean it 161 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 2: is the dawn of ai warfare. I mean to me, 162 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: as you say, it sounds a bit like the Manhattan 163 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: Project on steroids and what about oversight. What also struck 164 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: me is maybe that Iran perhaps is a bit of 165 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: a testing ground here and that Katrina has also been 166 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: reporting that US officials have been focused on twenty twenty 167 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: seven as the year that China's plans to have the 168 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: capability to take Taiwan. So yes, it's you know, we 169 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 2: are in a new era in the world. 170 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and a really interesting read. We'll put a link 171 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: to us in our podcast show notes for you. Let's 172 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: bring you more in no though. In our top story 173 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: in Russia's connections to the Iran War, the US Treasury 174 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: is allowing for more sales of Russian oil, while Bloomberg 175 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: has learned how Russian intelligence is supporting around. Tony Harpino 176 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: leads our team covering Russia and Ukraine. Joins US now 177 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: from more Tony firstly, on the oil moves. How significant 178 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: is this easing of restrictions on buying Russian oil after 179 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: what we heard around India just a couple of days ago. 180 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 9: It's a fairly limited waiver. It lasts for about a month, 181 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 9: and it's limited to Russian oil that's already on tankers 182 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 9: and at sea, So it's a fairly limited amount, maybe 183 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 9: a couple of days, two or three days worth of 184 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 9: golf supply that's been missing. But of course, as you've noted, 185 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 9: it's the second one after the waiver for India, and 186 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 9: the longer the conflictely in the Middle East goes on, 187 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 9: the more the pressure will grow. I think for sanctions 188 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 9: on Russian oil and energy in general to be lifted, 189 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 9: of course, that'll be a huge boon to the present pussion. 190 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: And yet what have we learned about the intelligence support 191 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: the Moscow is providing to Tehran? 192 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 9: Yes, I mean Russia and Iran. I've had close links 193 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 9: four years. Iran was an early supplier of drones that 194 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 9: Russia used when it first invaded Ukraine because it simply 195 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 9: didn't have its own. It's now copied those Iranian drones 196 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 9: and it's helping Iran with intelligence like satellite data to 197 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 9: spot targeting, and also giving some information about how they 198 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 9: use drones, these Iranian style drones to evade Western and 199 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 9: particularly American air defenses that have been used by Ukraine 200 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 9: to defend against them. So it's a kind of two 201 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 9: way channel. Really, they're giving the information and tactics that 202 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 9: they've developed in Ukraine, which they used initially Iranian drones 203 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 9: in order to develop those tactics, so Iran is now 204 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 9: reaping the benefit from that. 205 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: How is all of this affecting the war in Ukraine 206 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: and any hopes of ending that conflict. 207 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 9: Well, I think that there are not many prospects in 208 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 9: the near future for any big breakthrough. Ukraine is in 209 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 9: a slightly difficult position, of course, because it's concerned about 210 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 9: potential future weapons supplies if the US is distracted by 211 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 9: an ongoing war in the Middle East. But also I 212 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 9: think Ukraine is trying to capitalize on the moment by 213 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 9: supplying Golf nations with their expertise for anti drone technology, 214 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 9: so they're trying to win diplomatic support for whenever the 215 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 9: attention focuses again on finding some kind of diplomatic resolution 216 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 9: to this war. 217 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: Tony, thank you for being with us and for yes 218 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: explaining that situation. Tony Halpin leads our team covering Russia 219 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: and Ukraine. Stay with us. More from Bloomberg daybaqube coming 220 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: up after this. 221 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: Almost two weeks since this war started, fears of another 222 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: energy crisis are rippling through Europe. Oil and gas features 223 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: have jumped sharply, and government bond yields have also surged. 224 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: But a new Bloomberg survey of economist shows that they're 225 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: not expecting the ECB to raise interest rates until twenty 226 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: twenty eight. Our chief Euro Area economist, Simona Delahai, joins 227 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: us now for more. Simona, good morning. Broadly speaking, how 228 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: is this war affecting economies across Europe so far? 229 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 10: The most immediate economic consequences, of course, has been the 230 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 10: disruption to global energy flows and the surge and energy prices. 231 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 10: And as you know, Europe is particularly vulnerable. Even though 232 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 10: we diversified away from Russia gas after the Ukraine invasion, 233 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 10: it still relies heavily on imported oil and gas, and 234 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 10: gas remains crucial a crucial part of the energy mix, 235 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 10: especially in countries like Germany and Italy. On top of that, 236 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 10: electricity costs are already elevated across much of the region. 237 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 10: I think it's still too early to full assess the 238 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 10: microeconomic impact, but households are already likely see some effect, 239 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 10: particularly bump or the energy builds in March. 240 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 2: How differently do you think it is to twenty twenty two. 241 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 10: Well, of course, the combination of rising oil and gas 242 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 10: prices together with the supply distructions is understandably steering and 243 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 10: comfortable memories across Europe. But I think there are reasons 244 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 10: to believe this episode looks different from the inflection and shock 245 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 10: of twenty twenty two. There are military reasons. First, europe 246 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 10: direct exposure Tokutari is far more limited than its exposure 247 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 10: to Russia was three years ago. Back then, Europe depended 248 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 10: heavily on a single domino suppliers for papeline gas, and 249 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 10: today supplies much more diversified and LNG infrastructure is expanded 250 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 10: as well. But most importantly is the broader mic economic 251 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 10: background that is a very different. Russian invasion of Ukraine 252 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 10: hit energy market at the time of very constrained global supply, 253 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 10: pent up demand and monetary policy in fiscal policy where 254 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 10: high expensionary, a combination that amplify inflationary pressure. So if 255 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 10: you think about today, those exceptional conditions are no longer 256 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 10: in place, Monetary policy in the Uter Area is likely 257 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 10: close to neutral. Fiscal policy if Germany is no longer expansionary, 258 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 10: and very importantly, the liberal market is no longer tied. 259 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 10: Actually we see sign of coolie. So I think the 260 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 10: new energy shockle headline in fission in the short term, 261 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 10: but the risk of broad based and persistent searge appears 262 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 10: more limited at least for now. 263 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: Markets are worried about inflation, and we've seen this big 264 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: jump in government bond deals that increases borrowing costs for 265 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: governments across Europe. How much of a strain does that 266 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: put on budgets in places like France. 267 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 10: Yeah, of course this is a worrying sign of higher 268 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 10: heels to increase depth servicing cost especially for high in 269 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 10: debted countries like France. As bond major government has to 270 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 10: refinance at higher rates and the gradually fits into their budget, 271 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 10: So dep servicing costs already projected to remain elevated and 272 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 10: increasing in the coming years. As a country like France 273 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 10: and Italy. I would say also that the fiscal space 274 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 10: for policy support now remain limited that there was another 275 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 10: important factor in two thousand and two that pushed that higher, 276 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 10: so elevated that level. So country like Frants now now 277 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 10: pressure to consult the public. Famini fantasies and the European 278 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 10: rules restrict large scale support. 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