1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease, the mary widow Corey Richins. 2 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: Instead of planning a funeral, planning and gathering at the 3 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: home following her husband's funeral, instead, Cory Richards throws a 4 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: party at her house, a party to celebrate a closing 5 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: on a two million dollar mansion sitting on ten acres 6 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: of land that her husband opposed. But hey, he's already 7 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: been dead at least to what Jackie twelve fifteen hours, 8 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: So it's time to party down with me, renowned psycho. 9 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: Ana's joining us out of Beverly Hills, Doctor Bethany Marshall, Now, 10 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany. That's a whole another can of worm to 11 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: talk about. But what I'm interested in is the psychopathy 12 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: of a person, in this case, a female, Corey Richs, 13 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: who tries over and over and over to murder her husband. 14 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: We believe we know of three instances where she tried 15 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: to kill her husband. I mean, perseverance is normally something 16 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: that you should strive for, but not in this scenario. 17 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: What is that psychopathy? 18 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, Nancy, there's so much to say about this. 19 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: It's important to know that she is what we call 20 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: cluster b cluster B in my field means that the 21 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: person has three co occurring personality disorders, borderline, antisocial, and sociopathic. 22 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: So with all three of those personality disorders. 23 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: Right, borderline, sociopathic and what antisocial? Well, she threw a party, 24 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: how does that feel with her being anti social? But okay, 25 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: go ahead. 26 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: And antisocial is disregard for the rights and safety of others. 27 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: So you're not bonded in such a way that you 28 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: care about them, but you might be bonded in such 29 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: a way that you get excited by them. You want 30 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: to have sex with them, you want to take money 31 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: from them, you want to manipulate them, you want to 32 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: be around them all the time and be the life 33 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: of the party, like Casey Anthony on the stripper pole. 34 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean she had regard for anybody. So 35 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 2: the anti social part has to do with lack of remorse, 36 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: lack of thoughtfulness and bonding. 37 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: What do you make of repeated attempts to murder Her husband, 38 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: Eric Richins, was very opposed to buying a two million 39 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: dollar mansion and trying to flip it. He dies. She 40 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: closes immediately after she reaches a deal the day after 41 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: he dies in their home by extreme fentyl overdose. I 42 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: believe it was three to five times a lethal dose 43 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: of fentanyl served to him. We believe in a Moscow 44 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: mule by her. So she's throwing a party in the 45 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: home in their home to celebrate the deal on a 46 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: two million dollar mansion. But that was not the first time, 47 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: according to prosecutors, that she had tried to kill him. 48 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the fact that he even 49 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: joked about it, that she was trying to kill him, 50 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: that ha ha ha, she's going to kill me for 51 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: the money, or the fact that he very much in 52 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: a serious tone, called his sister from Greece and said, 53 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: I think she's tried to poison me. You've got the 54 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: Greece incident where she went overseas with him on a 55 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: trip and tried to kill him there, hoping and praying 56 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: the Greek police would screw up the investigation, and then 57 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: an incident on the Valentine's Day preceding his death, for 58 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: she gave him a love note and a poison sandwich. 59 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: He took I think one or two bites and immediately 60 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: started going into anaphylectic shot with hives and difficulty breathing. 61 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: And yet he stayed in the relationship. That's one thing 62 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: to figure out. But she was undeterred. I mean, there's 63 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: the old slogan, try try again if at first you 64 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: don't succeed. But he was joking about it. She showed 65 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: no fear that she would be caught or anybody would 66 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: put two and two together. 67 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 2: So, Nancy, what I think was happening is that she 68 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 2: was becoming emboldened to administer larger and larger doses of 69 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 2: the drug to kill him. So she started small and 70 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: worked up. That's one thing. The other is that she 71 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 2: was stealing money from him, and it was a pretty 72 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 2: startling amount. She had tax debts, she had taken money 73 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: out of his business account, she had I think one 74 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: point million dollars the she had taken from a lender, 75 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: and at the same time she felt she was the 76 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 2: beneficiary of his life insurance policy. So I think that 77 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: what was happening is that she was very reckless and impulsive, 78 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 2: and she was a thief. She kept taking money and 79 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: then she would panic. Then she would want a life 80 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: insurance policy to pay that debt back. 81 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: Would need to be dead insurance policies before his death, 82 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: so she would. 83 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 2: Need all four life insurance policies, because the one policy 84 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars wouldn't have satisfied all that debt. 85 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: So it was sort of like a rob Peter to 86 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: pay Paul on her husband's life and soul kind of situation. 87 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 2: And Nancy, I want to say I have had a 88 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: couple of patients in my practice like this. Two women 89 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: write about the same time, extraordinarily wealthy, generous husbands who 90 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: would have given them anything that they wanted, but they 91 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: got access to the business accounts. And I remember these 92 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: cases because they were about the same time. These women 93 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: were gorgeous, they were like models. They got access to 94 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: the husband's business accounts and they would steel or take 95 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: money behind the husband's back. And in both cases they 96 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: had lovers who were sort of near dwells, didn't have 97 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: much money. Where this is going, yes, is that you 98 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: know everybody might think about the story, how can you 99 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: steal from your husband? Well, you can steal if you 100 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: prefer to take it behind his back rather than to 101 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 2: have him know about it. If you're reckless, if you're impulsive, 102 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: if you go on spendings breeze, and that every time 103 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: you run up debt, you take out one more life 104 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 2: insurance policy and then you plot and scheme and plan 105 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 2: to kill your husband to satisfy the debt. I mean, 106 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: I think that's just one aspect of this. I think 107 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: she wanted him gone. Okay, didn't love him. 108 00:06:54,120 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: Marshall, let me redirect your answer before I have to 109 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: declare you a hostile witness. My question was, I know 110 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: the facts. I don't need to have a rendition of 111 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: the facts and examples of her behavior. I need to 112 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: figure out what is wrong with this woman. I mean, 113 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: she was so as you pointed out, so reckless at 114 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: her attempts on her husband's life. The whole family, his 115 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: whole family believes she was trying to kill him. He 116 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: believes she was trying to kill him. But yet that 117 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: did not deter her. I mean, typically when somebody's caught 118 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: doing an afarious deed, something wrong, breaking the law, they stop. 119 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: But she kept going. There's got to be something wrong 120 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: on there. What is it? And I'm not saying she's insane, 121 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: because that would be a defense under the law. I'm 122 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: not saying that what personality is that? 123 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 2: Well, this is where you go back to the cluster 124 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: b the borderline antisocial and sociopathic. When you have all 125 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: three personality disorders, it becomes yet another psychological perfect storm 126 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: for these kinds of behaviors. So let's think of antisocial. 127 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: Antisocial is again reckless disregard, lack of concern for the 128 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: rights and safety of others, the failure to payback gets 129 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: to society kind of a parasitic lifestyle, impulsivity, hypersexuality, So 130 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: that's antisocial. Sociopathic. As we all know, they turn into 131 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: really high level grifters. I mean they're total parasites. They 132 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: live off of other people, they have absolutely no remors. 133 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: These are the people who can kill and become quite criminal. 134 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: Then you have borderline. That borderline is an interesting one 135 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: because you have what we call affect disc regulation. These 136 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: are the people who can't They can't regulate their moods. 137 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 2: They cling to others and then they reject so they 138 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: might put this is the kind of person who puts 139 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 2: you on a pedestal idealizes you think that you're the 140 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: best person ever, and the minute you do one thing wrong, 141 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: they reject you. They want nothing to do with you. 142 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 2: Borderlines are the ones who can plot and plan forever 143 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: to kill. In fact, most women that we see in 144 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 2: court who kill their children or their husbands do have 145 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: borderline personality disorder. They get so disregulated, so enraged that 146 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: they want that person out of the way. 147 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question, have you ever heard 148 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: of sm also referred to as s M zero four 149 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: to six, and as an American woman with a particular 150 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: type of brain idiosyncrasy that lays her with zero ability 151 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: to feel fear of anything. And that's how the human 152 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: species has made it this far. It is because we 153 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: have fear. We hear allowed a crack of thunder, we run, 154 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: we see a snake, we back way. It is inherent, 155 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: it is genetic. Some people do not have that fear. Now, 156 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: it was my belief, as a completely unlearned individual in 157 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: psychopathy that someone who is a psychopath, they don't adhere 158 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: to right and wrong, They don't recognize rules or narcissus. 159 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: They namesake of a narcissist could only see himself in 160 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: the reflection. You don't see anybody else, You don't care 161 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: about anybody else, and what they think of you certainly 162 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: does not concern you. 163 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: Nancy, I've not heard of this person, but I will 164 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 2: say that it has the ring of truth to me 165 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: because what happens in our brains largely determine our behavior. 166 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: And we have the amiged luck and that's the center 167 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: of fear, the fight, flight or freeze, right, So that's 168 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 2: the part you're talking about, the part that it helps. 169 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: It creates anxiety, panic attacks. It warns us if we're 170 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: driving to quick quickly that we could get an accident. 171 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 2: People who have OCD obsessive compulsive disorder have overactive amygdalas, 172 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: so they have fearful thoughts all the time. So that's 173 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 2: at the top of the spine, at the base of 174 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: the brain. It has a very important role in our behavior. 175 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 2: What counterbalances that is something called the prefrontal cortex that's 176 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: right behind the forehead. That is the breaking system, the 177 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: center of higher reasoning, the part of our brain that 178 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 2: helps us to plan ahead and to learn from our mistakes. 179 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: Those two balance each other out all the time. So 180 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: I would say this particular woman we're talking about lacked 181 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: big delay and are promal cortex. In other words, she 182 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: could plan ahead just enough to try to take money 183 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: or keep poisoning her husband, but she couldn't plan ahead 184 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 2: enough to see that she might be caught. 185 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: Interesting because when her sister in law confronted her about 186 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 1: stealing money from her husband's safe, about one hundred and 187 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: sixty thousand dollars. She punched the sister in law in 188 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: the face. That was her reaction. You know, most normal 189 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: people would say, get out of my house. You don't 190 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: even know what you're talking about, this is my money, 191 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: blah blah blah whatever. Instead she just punched her. That's 192 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: her reaction. 193 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 2: So she's still falsity. 194 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's not functioning on all cylinders. But you know what, 195 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: unless it rises to legal insanity, which is a defense 196 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: or mental defect under the law, such as a not 197 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: guilty by reason of mental defect defense, I don't care. 198 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: He's dead. The three children don't have a father, and 199 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: according to prosecutors, she did it and it wasn't her 200 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: first try because she has no compunction, and nobody matters. 201 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: But Corey Richings, it's her world. We're just living in it. 202 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: By Bethany, I'll see you in the courtroom.