1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: I've heard people say, well, if you want a part 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: of the hundred million dollars, just play better. Right, It's 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: it's a meritocracy. Just play better, Just play better. It's 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: funny that Patrick Cantley played the best out of any 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: PGA Tour golfer the year that he won the FedEx Cup, 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: won the super Bowl of Our of our Tour, and 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: didn't get a dollar from the Pit program. And so 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: what part of play better fixes that part? That portion 9 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: of you know where that money is allocated towards or 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: who it's allocated towards. I got thoughts in my head, 11 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: can't get John nothing. Well, I'm thinking about thoughts in 12 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: my head, can't get them out, and not to think well, 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about Hello. This is Alan Schipknuck back for 14 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: another Fire Drill podcast. We have a very intriguing guest today, 15 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: but before we get to him, a quick word of 16 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: thanks to our sponsors, doing making these podcasts, doing journalism 17 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: in general, takes to resources. Were very grateful for those 18 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: who help us the fire Pit Collective keep the lights on, 19 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: So thank you too. 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I 37 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: think we're just gonna talk about cal golf. But okay, sure, yeah, 38 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: sure talked me into it. Uh well, all right, so James, 39 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: for most of your career, you've been known by your 40 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: slightly quirky biography. You know, former shoe salesman, and then 41 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: you're known as a guy who's winning tournaments on big 42 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: time courses Riviera and Quail Hollow. And you know, you've 43 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: been out there a decade now and um, this year 44 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: you've morphed into a unicorn. You are the rare PGA 45 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: Tour player who's publicly supportive of Live and you've you 46 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: staked out some some cutting edge positions on Twitter. So 47 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: walking me through this evolution, I mean, obviously these these um, 48 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: the Premier Golf League and then the Saudi Golf League, 49 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,839 Speaker 1: then Live Golf. The stuff has been shocking around for 50 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: a while and um, but very quickly people had to 51 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: choose sides. So at what point did you did you 52 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: realize you wanted to try and be either a peacemaker 53 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: or at least a voice of reason in the professional 54 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: golf world. Yeah, that's a great question. So, um, you know, 55 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: I I do have a lot of friends that play 56 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: on the Live Tour. I have a lot of friends 57 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: that play on the PGA Tour. I have friends that 58 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: are supportive of both. I have friends that you know, 59 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: hate the Live Tour, and I have you know, friends 60 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: that love both tours. And so for me, um, how 61 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: I got into. This was basically uh, you know the 62 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: pot calling the kettle black or something along those lines. 63 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: Is that it was so one sided, right that as 64 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: soon as the lid came out and people were deflecting 65 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: and going to the that tour, that we were throwing 66 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: these guys under the bus. We were calling them names, um, 67 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: just saying everything that we can't have people uh support 68 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: their views of how they see the live tour, right. 69 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: And so for us as a player, as a person 70 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: that's inside the bubble, you know, it was another player 71 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: who decided to go to another tour for a better 72 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: opportunity in their eyes financially, right, Um. And so you know, 73 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: we can go through all the different narratives of you know, 74 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: you know people saying, you know, if he, if so 75 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: and so said that they were leaving for the money, 76 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: I would respect him a lot more, you know, things 77 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: like that and so, um. You know, and then for 78 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: me as a as a player, like you know, I've 79 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: more or less considered, you know, what my number would 80 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: be if I decided to to go to live or like, 81 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: you know, everyone has a number, you know, we're in 82 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: the locker room, it's like, well, what's your number, what's 83 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: your number? You know everyone's got a number, right, and 84 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: what's your number? Some people have a number so big 85 00:04:53,040 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: that it's just unreasonable, right, umber, give us a number. 86 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't tell you why number it's it's 87 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's definitely in the millions, right, But um, 88 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: for me, it's it's what am I giving up? Right? 89 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: So I'm you know on that topic, you know, I 90 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: would like to play the Champions Tour. I'd like to 91 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: play further along in my career as long as I can. Um. 92 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: And so right now, it seems like you either have 93 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: to pick one tour or the other. Um, I feel like, 94 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: you know, after the lawsuit next year, who knows what 95 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: what can happen? You know, can someone play both tours? 96 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: And so I'm sure we'll talk about that more in depth, 97 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: uh the next time. I've always felt like that, And 98 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, I've been to a handful to live events 99 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: and of course I've been too many PG Tour events. 100 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: And I feel like that's the player's dream, right is 101 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: you could keep your your tour membership, you could play 102 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: your favorite events, and you could cherry pick some of 103 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: the live tournaments. UM like that, that is what everyone 104 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: would would love to have, no matter what they say publicly, right, 105 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: am I correct in that thinking absolutely. I mean it's 106 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: so that that's another you know thing of um. You know, 107 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought it up. Of uh. For example, 108 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,119 Speaker 1: Patrick Reid playing in all these events, and everyone's saying, 109 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: you know, I thought they wanted to play less events. 110 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: I thought they wanted to play less. You know, that 111 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: was one of the reasons to spend more time with 112 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: the family. And you know, I understand that, but you 113 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: could you know. The the other side of it is 114 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot of weeks throughout the year that we 115 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: play golf and that we enjoy playing and we love competing, right, 116 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: and so four teen tournaments to work only fourteen weeks 117 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: out of the year, I feel like might not be enough. 118 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: You know. Some of these guys love to compete and 119 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: they missed the competition. Um. But to be obligated to play, 120 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, thirty events a year, you know, if you're 121 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: trying to play both tours, um, I feel like it 122 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: is unreasonable. And so um, you know, everyone's saying, you know, 123 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: play less golf tournaments and yeah, you know, we average 124 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: like tournaments. Yeah, I'm fourteen tournaments is less than twenty five. 125 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: But guess what, so is fifteen? So it's sixteen, so 126 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: seventeen you know, so it's like every one of these 127 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: tournaments that they add is still under the average that 128 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: they would have had in the past few years and 129 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: the years going going forward. Yeah. Well, and I mean 130 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: Live has been very clear to say if you if 131 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: you join us, you have to play all our tournaments, 132 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: but we don't care what you do in the other weeks. 133 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: You can play anywhere you want. I mean, they're they're 134 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: trying to make it clear that their players have that 135 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: freedom to go to the European Tour, go to the 136 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: pg Tour, whatever they can fin angle. So yeah, I 137 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: mean even even tiger Jack and their prime when they 138 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: played limited schedules to try and be competitively hungry, I 139 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: mean they were playing seventeen, eighteen, nine, fourteen is that's 140 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: probably not enough to really be sharp, so I think, 141 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: and it's it's also very ironic that you know, uh, 142 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: we're calling out to Live players and well now they're 143 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: you know, employees, they have to play these fourteen events. 144 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: Well guess what the PGA Tour rolled out here? Uh, 145 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: I think it goes into effect the season is that 146 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: in order for someone to um be eligible for the 147 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: pit money is that they are obligated to play in 148 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: twenty events this season, right, which includes the majors, the playoffs, 149 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: elevated events. And so it's almost like the PGA Tour saying, oh, 150 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: fourteen events, will will one up yea, and we'll go 151 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: twenty events. And so to me, it's like, you know, 152 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: it's very hypocritical for us to call out live players 153 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: for doing this when now we are almost doing the 154 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: exact same thing. And so that's where I feel like 155 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: the narrative is kind of shifted. It's like, well, you know, 156 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: before Rory was saying, um, you know about the world 157 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: ranking points. You know, if they decided to leave, so 158 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: they shouldn't get any world ranking points, this and that 159 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: he's so one sided, and then two months later he's saying, well, 160 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: if Dustin Johnson's ranked over one in the world, then 161 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: it's not a true reflection of how good of a 162 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: golfer he is, and therefore the world ranking system is 163 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: not fair. Yeah, I'm curious how much blowback have you 164 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: gotten from your colleagues or even some of the minders 165 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: and Pontovidra Beach for for your public statements that are 166 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: supportive of Live. Yeah, the people that get paychecks from 167 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour Partovidra for the most part, you know, 168 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: they understand that I have a voice, that I have 169 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: my own views that they might not necessarily agree on, 170 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: and it's uh, you know, they're very respectful of it. 171 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: You know, they listen, but they also questioned, like, well, 172 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, what are some of the things that we 173 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: can do differently to better the PGA tour, right, And 174 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: so now they're rolling out with all these things incentives 175 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 1: for us to play on PGA Tour um as far 176 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: as players, caddies, club reps, fans. I can't tell you 177 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: how many people in person have come up to me 178 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: and said, you know, thank you for finally saying what 179 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: people want to say but they might not necessarily have 180 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: the platform or have the courage to say, because there 181 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: is a lot of backlash for that. I'm getting just 182 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: for not really being in supportive Live but not against Live. Right. 183 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: It's almost like, if you're not against Live, then your 184 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: four live, and if your four lived, that means you're 185 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: against the PGA Tour. It's like connecting the dots, right 186 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: and so uh, it's it's so it's gotten so political 187 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: at this point that you either have to pick a 188 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: side between left and right, and if you're in the middle, 189 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: then you're wrong altogether. Right. Um. So I feel like, 190 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'd hate for us to live in a 191 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: world where we're so divided between Live and PGA Tour, 192 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: and it just ruins the game because it's ruining politics, 193 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: it's ruining families, it's ruined friendships. Um. I'd like to 194 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: see a world where they possibly you know, get together 195 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: and co exist. But I feel like the anti Live 196 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: fans and golfers are against that idea. Yes, well you're 197 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: an idealist, James Irish, but it's hard, hard, it's hard 198 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: to maintain that innocence. Uh. But at the same time, 199 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: this podcast is really an outgrowth of, you know, of 200 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: some Twitter exchanges we had in the last few days, 201 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: and you did brand me anti Live, which I don't 202 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: think it's quite accurate. You know, I've tried to be 203 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: very much down the middle, and whenever I get I 204 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: get it from both sides. You're a pg tors schill 205 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: or you're a Live hater like I kind of it's 206 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: almost fifty fifty. I think people calling me, um, you know, 207 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: calling me out on both sides, which I think tells 208 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: me I'm probably doing my job somewhat of you know. 209 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: I mean, like the folks that live golf have told 210 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: me to my face, like thank you for your coverage. 211 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: You know, we appreciate you have an open mind and 212 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: being fair. So I'm like, jeez, maybe I'm being too 213 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: soft on them, but yeah, so, but you're right if 214 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: if you if you try and play it down the middle, 215 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: then everyone's mad at you. It's almost easier to just 216 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: stick pick aside and stand on the tops and shout, 217 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: which is what a lot of obviously other people in 218 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: the golf media are doing. But I'm trying to avoid 219 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: that and bring a little subtlety to the conversation. But 220 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: it can get lost, and I would and I do 221 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: respect that you do play down the middle. You're getting 222 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: it from both sides, which pretty much means that you're 223 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: doing it the right way. I mean, I remember, you know, 224 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: even a few months back that you know, even talking 225 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: about live or promoting live, or even showing anything good 226 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: about live was a no no, right like it was 227 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, the PGA Tour and only the PGA Tour. 228 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: And if you talk about the live tour in a 229 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: in a good way, then you're against us. You're not 230 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: You're not in the boys club, right, And so how 231 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: things have changed is like when brooks Keptka just won 232 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: this last week. You know, you see journalists and reporters congratulating, 233 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: books kept going on another win on you know, uh, 234 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: you know is winless, drought and all this stuff. You know, 235 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: it's the it's changing to where, um, it's normalizing the 236 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: live tour in the golf ecosystem. And so before it, 237 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to compare things. I like a 238 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: lot of like analogies and stuff, but it's almost like um, 239 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: Tesla when they first came out, Right when Tesla first 240 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: came out, everyone's like, oh, they're not gonna you know, 241 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: they're they're not gonna be successful. Even three or four 242 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: I remember having a conversation with my financial advisor. I said, Hey, 243 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: what do you think about adding Tesla to my portfolio? 244 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,599 Speaker 1: And he's like, Oh, they're gonna go under in the 245 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: next few years. I would would never recommend investing in 246 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: Tesla and this and that. Now it's normal to where 247 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of cool to have a tesla like, let's 248 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: be honest, right, um, And so I feel like we're 249 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: kind of in the beginning stages of that where you know, 250 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: live golf it's live versus PGA Tour. But to three 251 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: five years down the road, we could actually be an 252 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: environment where you know, it's kind of cool to watch 253 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: both on TV well, so that the critics would of 254 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: Live golf with saying that normalizing is the problem, that 255 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: that is the entire reason that this exists, is you know, 256 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: Saturday being government trying to normalize its relationships with the 257 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: Western world, and that is the ultimate goal of sports washing. 258 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: And so you know, people have I get this a lot. 259 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: You know, you shouldn't even report on it, You shouldn't 260 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: even talk about it because you're normalizing it. And it's 261 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: a valid critique given you know, who's providing the money. 262 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: You know. My rebuttal is it's just one of the 263 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: biggest stories in golf this century. And in my position, 264 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: I can't ignore it. There's just too much at stake 265 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: here for the game, and um, it's just too big 266 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: a story. But um, you know that what is what 267 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: is what would be your abuttle to that that even 268 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: by talking about live and saying, you know, I think 269 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: it has some merit that that you're serving as an 270 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: agent of propaganda for Saudi Arabia. That's a great question. 271 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: That's something that I've been thinking about and I kind 272 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: of knew you were gonna ask the question. Um, it's 273 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: it is a big issue. You know, I'm not going 274 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: to deny it. You know, the human rights UM problems 275 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: that they have in Saudi Arabia, if there is any 276 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: chance that the the government, you know, the people that 277 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: are UM, the Saudi Golf Fund right that is sponsoring 278 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: the lift or putting money into the lift UM, if 279 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: that has any influence on how they proceed as a 280 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: country and make changes, change being able to change their 281 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: human Rights UM regulations in their country, if that has 282 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: any positive influence for their country, on whether or not. 283 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: You know, they've invested billions of dollars into this live 284 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: golf and you know, if if something bad happens, you know, 285 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure the first thing that goes through their own 286 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: mind is not thinking like, oh, you know, I wonder 287 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: how the our live golf fans are going to handle this, 288 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: are going to take this? You know, we need to 289 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: make a really good decision here because we can't lose 290 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: our fan base. But if there's any like of even 291 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: a one percent of them even considering that, then could 292 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: you say that live golf may or may not have 293 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: a positive influence on the human rights in Saudi Arabia? 294 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: Does that make any sense? I have a hard time 295 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: with my words, but if yeah, you know it does. 296 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: I mean from from the standpoint the people who say, 297 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: well this, uh, you know live, What if if MBS 298 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: wakes up tomorrow he doesn't want to waste more money 299 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: on golf and Live will just blow away like tumbleweed? 300 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: And my rebuttal is that so? I've you know, the 301 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: guys who run the public investment funds at Arabia are 302 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: probably the most powerful people on the planet who are 303 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: not heads of state. And their top two guys have 304 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: been at every live event. It's his excellency Yasir al 305 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: Ramayan and then his deputy, this guy named Magic. And 306 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: they play in the pro ams and they zip around 307 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: in their cart and they'll play a couple of holes 308 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: of dust, and they'll play a couple holes of phil, 309 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: a couple holes of brights, and like they're having the 310 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: greatest time of their life. And they're on the first 311 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: team and they're tapping up the players and you can 312 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: see the joy this has brought UM to be in 313 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: this this inner circle and to get this acceptance UM. 314 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 1: And who knows what quiet conversations are happening, whether it's 315 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: with former President Trump or it's just captains of industry 316 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: who come out and play in the pro am. And 317 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: so they have bought access to the Western world in 318 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: a way that they've always craved. And it's hard to 319 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: put a price tag on that, but it has tremendous value. 320 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: And on interpersonal level, you know, every Tuesday night at 321 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: the tournaments, they host a party um you know UH, 322 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: and the players come and they're drinking two thousand UM 323 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: Bordeaus and they're having a great time. And these guys 324 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: are the center of it all. And so now as 325 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: they go out into the world as these representatives of 326 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: the Saud Arabian government like, they have been exposed to 327 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: a lot of UH culture in the United States, in England, 328 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: at the Centurion Club, wherever they've they've gone, and they've 329 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: been the toast of the town. And so I think 330 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: in that regard, those two men who run the p 331 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: IF could have, I could see where lives affected. They're thinking, 332 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: and they don't want this party to end. They don't 333 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: want they don't want the Public Investment Fund or the 334 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: government to do something so bad that all of a 335 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: sudden they're so toxic. They can't be on the first 336 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: tea anymore, and they can't play with Trump at at 337 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: bad Minister, and they can't do all these things that 338 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: they're they're enjoying. And so um, again, these guys hold 339 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: all the cards of global finances and so to see 340 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: how much joy live golf has brought them. Um, I 341 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: really think that what you're saying there there is some 342 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: mer they're just on interpersonal level now, Um, you know, 343 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: I don't. Also, I also feel like it goes both ways, right, 344 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: And so not only have they bought into our Western 345 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: world in our way of thinking, but we've also infiltrated 346 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, their inner circle, right, Michaelson has an opportunity 347 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: to talk to his excellency on a weekly basis if 348 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: you wanted to on a daily basis, right, Like we've 349 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: we've gone into you know, their men's club, right, And 350 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: so um for me, I'm I'm forty one years old. Uh, 351 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: And I grew up listening to a lot of hip 352 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: hop and rap growing up, right, and so one of 353 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: the things that I still remember to this day was, Uh, 354 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: there was a clip of Tupop Tupac. He's a rapper 355 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: back in the days. A lot of the young kids 356 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: won't remember him, but this dude was like everybody knows. 357 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean the younger kids these days, 358 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, they still play it on the radio. But um, 359 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: he was like way before his time. But anyways, they 360 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: asked him. I believe it was when uh, you know, 361 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: Bush Senior was in office and they had asked him, 362 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, if Bush invited you to the White House, 363 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: would you go? Right? And in the past few years, uh, 364 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: you know, in the Trump era that you know, a 365 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: lot of athletes were asked to go to the White House, 366 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: and as you know that all of them decided not 367 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: to go to the White House. You know. And for me, 368 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: you know, I always go back to this Tupac quote. 369 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: He goes, why wouldn't I go to the go to 370 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: the White House? He goes, I have an opportunity to 371 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: talk to the man in charts, to talk to the 372 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: president and tell him the problems of the inner city 373 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: and all the problems that I have, Um, that are 374 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: you know in this world that he has an opportunity 375 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: to change. He's well, so why wouldn't I want a 376 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: one on one conversation with the man? Right? And so 377 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: for our athletes to turn down the opportunity to talk 378 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: to Trump and you know, not to get political, um, 379 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: but if there's even an opportunity to have him think 380 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: about some of the things that he's doing and some 381 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: of the things that he will do in the future, 382 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: I feel like goes the same way with his excellency 383 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia. We have an opportunity to you know, 384 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: possibly help him make the right decisions going forward. You know, 385 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: it's like the movie Inception, Like we're in it right now, 386 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: you know, in a dream and a dream and a 387 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: dream and like we're in it and we're so close. 388 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: I mean, how awesome would it be if ten years 389 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: from now, right, the human rights gets better? And you know, 390 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: and this this is me just you know, being very optimists. 391 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: Right ten years from now the human I was getting better, Um, 392 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: just from on a scale between like um, you know, 393 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: women's rights to uh just everything you know, I don't 394 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: want to name too many, too many things, but um, 395 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: and for them to change, and then asking him ten 396 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: years from now saying you know what changed your mind 397 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: and him saying possibly. You know, I had to played 398 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: a golf round with Dustin Johnson and he bothered by it, 399 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: and you know, I feel like I needed to do 400 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: something like that would be pretty cool. Al Right. I 401 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: don't know if that's going to happen, but the fact 402 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: that there's even an opportunity for that to happen, I 403 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, there's a good I think, you know, 404 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: the risk outways reward. I mean, what are your thoughts? Yeah, 405 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: I mean it's funny to imagine Phil Nicholson setting the 406 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: global financial markets during the pro am at auring the 407 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: ear of his excellency, but Ian I wouldn't put it 408 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: past Phil for sure. And yeah, I mean again it's 409 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: it's a very philosophical question. I mean, could sport be 410 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: an agent of change? I think most people would say yes, um, 411 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: And uh, you know I did. I did a big 412 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: story on Messiage Eerie. He was the GM for the 413 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: still Is of the Raptors, and you know, he founded 414 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: this thing called Giants of Africa and it was he's 415 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: he's brought hundreds and hundreds of kids over to play 416 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: a college basketball from from the continent of Africa, and 417 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: some of them have gone on play pro ball, many 418 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: of have gotten into executive positions and done great things 419 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: in their lives have nothing to do with with basketball. 420 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: And you know that that's that's he's one NBA title 421 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: as a GM, but that that organization means more to 422 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: him than anything, and it really has affected the trickled 423 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: out effect from how all these these kids lives of 424 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: change and what it's done for their families when it's 425 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: done for their own kids, and it's very powerful. And 426 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: of course there's many other examples, whether it's youth on 427 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: coorus or it's the first tea. I mean, I think 428 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: I think generally we accept that sports can be an 429 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: agent of change. So, um, the question is it's kind 430 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: of place like how to your radio evolved through sport? 431 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: I mean, it's an unknown and I think you have 432 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: to be a little bit of a dreamer too at 433 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: the current moment, but it's you just have to chip 434 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: away with these things. So maybe the answers yes, and 435 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: maybe live golf plays role, and um, but the you 436 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: know that that is that is a hotly contested idea 437 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: in this context, but I you know Tupac is right 438 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: on some level. You got to go talk to the 439 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: man and hear what he has to say. This side note, 440 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: I was the first guy on the Sleeves High basketball 441 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: team to discover n w A. Yes, no, hip hop 442 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: has always been But to me, those guys were incredible journalists. 443 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: Like when they when they taught listeners everywhere about about 444 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: real life was powerful and so um, you know, there's 445 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: there's interacting the different cultures and and seeing the world 446 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: is a powerful tool. And uh so whether it's music 447 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: is also like I don't see it going if you 448 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: were if you were played Devil's advocate. I don't see 449 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: it going the other way, you know, I don't see 450 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: his excellency having a conversation with Phil all of a 451 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: sudden being so piste off it. He's going to raise 452 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: gas prices and you know, do what he's doing in 453 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: his country ten tenfold, right, and so um, you know, 454 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: I see it from both both directions. One of the 455 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: things that I was also thinking about is when people 456 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: criticize the players who are suing the PGA tour, right 457 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: and so you know, there's a narrative of you know, 458 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: I would be okay if they just didn't sue the 459 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: PGA Tour. Uh. The my response to that is, they're 460 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: not suing the tour for monetary damages. They're not suing 461 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: them for millions and millions of dollars. They're just doing 462 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: them for the right to play golf. And so my 463 00:24:54,240 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: rebuttal to that is, you know, we were allowing football players. 464 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: Tony Romo played in in one of the events. You know, 465 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: Jerry Rice played in a professional event. Um, we had 466 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: a retired tennis player, Marty Fish just playing the three 467 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: M Open here a few months back. And so we're 468 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: allowing non golfers, right, non professional golfers to compete in 469 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: a professional golf event, taken away a spot from you know, 470 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: someone who could be eligible or would be willing, h 471 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: more deserving of that spot. But yet we won't invite 472 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson or Brooks Kepco or Bryson de Shambo into 473 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: a golf tournament where you can't invite Kevin nah who's 474 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: a two time past champion of the Shriners Hospital Open, 475 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: And um, they're just fighting for their right to be 476 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: invited into a golf tournament and so um, we'll find 477 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: out later or early next year of how that pans out, 478 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: and so um. You know that's just the big one 479 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: of the big topics as well of kind of where 480 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:04,239 Speaker 1: we are right out involves Yeah, I mean the the 481 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: battle between not only the tours but also players within 482 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: the system. Like let me read a quote that you had, 483 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: um that I thought was really interesting and I want 484 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: to get into this. He said, the secret meeting with 485 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: Tiger and Rory set a president that the top twenty 486 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,719 Speaker 1: players can get whoever they want from the tour, get 487 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: whatever they want from the tour. So what's topping the 488 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: other of our tour from getting together and doing the 489 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: same exact thing as Rory and Tiger and saying the 490 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: top twin players can go play there on tournaments, but 491 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: the rest of the tour us stand together and we 492 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: want more benefits. I feel like a portion of a 493 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars could have gone to making the tour 494 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: great rather than going the top twenty these little things 495 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: that irritate the rest of the membership to the point 496 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: there's a lot of animosity between the halves and the 497 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: have not. I would call it the haves and the 498 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: have mores. But then if I had to redo that Stamon, 499 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: that's the one thing I people are clearly, you know, 500 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: it's and when you're doing an interview, just stuff comes 501 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: out of your you know, and I should have said 502 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: haves and have more. But but the larger point is 503 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: true that the PGA Tour has now created this cast 504 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: system where the top twenty guys or maybe a few more, 505 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: but the elite have access to incredible abounts of money 506 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: and everyone else is getting some benefit. But even the 507 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: half million dollars, you have to play really bad at 508 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: not to make a half million dollars and earnings. Even 509 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: even a crappy year, you're gonna scrape it around and 510 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: make something close to that. So that's not really free money. 511 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: That's just an advance. And it's helpful for sure, especially 512 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: for young players are struggling guys. You can you can 513 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: pay your coach and you can like it has benefit, 514 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: there's no question, but it's not really free money. Like 515 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: the half million dollars isn't isn't a half million dollars net? 516 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's like we have two 517 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: hundred fifty dollars worth of expenses, and then we're also 518 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: having big taxes on that. So it's like all said 519 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: and done, some of the guys are making just over 520 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: a hundred hundred fifty thousand dollars if you're making up 521 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: five dollars tour, So that that also stem from a 522 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: little bit of um frustration, I guess from the things 523 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: behind the scenes that fans and reporters are not aware of. 524 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: So I'll give you an example. Um, in NAPA this 525 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: year as well as the Sanders and Farms golf tournament, 526 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: we have to pay for our own rental car for 527 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: the week, right, and so two tournaments that are non elite, right. 528 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: I don't ever remember going to a player's championship, a 529 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: bay Hill even Tigers tournament and having to rent my 530 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: own car, right, And it's for me is that they've 531 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: set they've set a standard on the PGA tour. You know, 532 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: when you fly in, we're gonna have transportation ready for you, 533 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: will have a courtesy car, whether it's you know, a 534 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: BMW Lex's Cadillac or even sometimes where they do rent 535 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: cars for us, but they pay for it and they 536 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: have it waiting for us outside. It's very union for us, right, um. 537 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: And so to have a standard on the PGA Tour 538 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: and to be and have that standard taken away from you, 539 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a blow to the tour. But 540 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: to also question why, you know, and it's it's a 541 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: it's a question about you know, who's paying it. You know, 542 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: where's the money coming from? You? We can't afford the sponsor, 543 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: can't afford the term, and can't afford having courtesy cars. 544 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: But then seeing a big chunk of money, a hundred 545 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: million dollars going to the top twin golfers in you know, 546 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: on our tour as far as popularity, right, I mean, 547 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: I always bring it back to um when you know, 548 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: I've heard people say, well, if you want a part 549 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: of the hundred million dollars, just play better. Right. It's 550 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: it's a meritocracy. Just play better, Just play better. It's 551 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: funny that Patrick Cantlay played the best out of any 552 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: PGA Tour golfer the year that he won the FedEx Cup, 553 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl of Our of our tour and 554 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: didn't get a dollar from the pit program. And so 555 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: what part of play better fixes that part that portion 556 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: of you know, where that money is allocated towards or 557 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: who it's allocated towards. Um, So to me, it's like, 558 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: I just I don't understand it, you know, Like, well, 559 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: so my question to you is like, how how widespread 560 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: is the discontent among let's say the rank and file 561 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: the PG tour, the guys who are not in the 562 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: top twenty. I mean, is there a lot of unhappiness 563 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,239 Speaker 1: with the current state and the changes of the tour 564 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: have made. Uh So, when when you have a couple 565 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: of people negotiating for the twenty guys, right, and the 566 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: twenty guys, isn't just the twenty guys, it's the thirty 567 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: two forty guys that could potentially move into the top twenty, right, 568 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: and so for these forty guys, for a few individuals 569 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: to make the rules for the entire group, there are 570 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: is gonna be um some disagreements on how how far 571 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: they feel like they should go. So, for example, they 572 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: for the new pit program they're obligated to play in 573 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: these twenty events. Well, there's I can tell you that 574 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: without naming names, at least five to ten guys that 575 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: don't really agree with that. They're like, well, I don't 576 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: want to be obligated to play in these elevated events. 577 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: I want to be able to pick my own schedule. 578 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: That's why, you know, we're independent contractors and you know, 579 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: being able to do what I want to do. If 580 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: it's my daughter's graduation week, I don't want to have 581 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: to play in this golf tournament, which, um, you know. 582 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: Then then it comes like the next process is, well, 583 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: what's the penalty for missing this event? Well, not only 584 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: do you not get pit money or you get a 585 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: reduced amount, there should be some kind of consequence because 586 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: like we're providing so much money up front that we're 587 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: almost guaranteeing a certain product, and if you don't provide 588 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: that product, like what are the repercussions? So now we're 589 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: at a point where like we're still conflicted on what 590 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: this new product will be. Um, but yeah, there are 591 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people that are not happy with the 592 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: new product that Um, we're in that secret meeting and 593 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: I can only called secret meeting. Is that's because kind 594 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: of what it's been labeled these days. Oh no, it's 595 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: it's a great term. Um, but you mentioned I mean 596 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: this is actually something that that that Phil has been 597 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: harping on forever is that you know, the superstars drive 598 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: the game, but they're they're outvoted by the rank and file. 599 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: There's a lot more guys who are you know, fifty 600 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: a D fifty on the money list than there are 601 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: top players, and that that there's the everyday tour player 602 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: has an outsized influence because there's just more of them. 603 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: And so obviously what Tiger and Rory did in their 604 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: secret meeting kind of put a lie to that where 605 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: the superstars can exert their influence. But you mentioned, you know, 606 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: the silent majority. I mean, why don't you guys unionize? 607 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: That that's an idea that big and you know, golf 608 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: is really the only sport where the players don't have 609 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: a union to so why not, right, I mean, that's 610 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: that's a that's a million dollar question right there. I mean, 611 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: there's there are people that have considered, but golf is 612 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: such an individual sport it's hard to get all you know, 613 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: I think there's over two hundred, three hundred members. To 614 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: get all three hundred members to agree on a certain 615 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: topic and to make everyone happy, because you have to 616 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: in order for that to be effective, you know, Rory 617 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: would need to agree on certain topics of that Um, gosh, 618 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm only saying his name. I'm not calling 619 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: him out. But like Great Chalmers for example, right, like 620 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: they would have to agree on kind of how the 621 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: money is being distributed. And obviously one is you know, 622 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: possibly number one in the world, and Great Chalmers is, um, 623 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: you know, playing in a few events because he's has 624 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: conditional status and so UM, it's very hard to get 625 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: all three people on the same page. Um. Also it's 626 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: very expensive. And but also, UM, that's what the purpose 627 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: of the board is, the Player Director board as well 628 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: as the pack, and we're supposed to represent um, the 629 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: tour in the fairest way that we can. And you know, 630 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: for the most part, I feel like they're doing a 631 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: good job. It's just something throws me a wrong way 632 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: when we the pack as well as the Player Advisory 633 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: Board agree on a certain topic and then Rory Tiger 634 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: and the secret meeting happens and throws a wrench into 635 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: our plans, and all of a sudden, everything that we've 636 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: been working on the previous you know, two or three 637 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: months is scrapped from the board, and all of a 638 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: sudden it's like, hey, no, it's you know, the secret 639 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: out of the secret meeting. This elite group of golfers 640 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: want something different, So now we're going to change what 641 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: we we're going to come out with and satisfy what 642 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: they want. Does that make sense? Yeah, it's almost like 643 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: it's almost like two meetings going on, one of the 644 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: actual players, then one with the commissioner um and the 645 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: secret secret meeting. Yeah. No, I mean, those guys just 646 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: kind of subverted the entire process. And Monahan because he 647 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 1: wants to keep his job, like he said, Okay, great 648 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: rubber stamp that I love that this policy, Like, um, 649 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: it was a very unusual situation. That's why it was 650 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: so interesting. I mean, and even we can all agree 651 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: that Tiger Woods has had an incredible influence on the sport. Um, 652 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: but does it make sense for him to have any 653 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: any say in the future of the tour because he's 654 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: not even going to participate in it really, I mean, 655 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: it's clear that his his playing days are are very limited. 656 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: So it's funny that Tiger, of all people, is uh 657 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: is in charge in some ways when you know he 658 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: has very few events in his future. So and so 659 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: it's also like, you know, we've created this pit to 660 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: prevent guys from going to the Live Tour to give 661 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: them more guaranteed money UM and Tiger had won the 662 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: pit last year without ever playing in an adulter it 663 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: and so it's like a royalty going to him of 664 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: like this is, you know, thank you for all that 665 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: you've done over the years, and we're sorry that you 666 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: you feel like you've having capitalized financially on all the 667 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: opportunities these last twenty years, and so we're gonna make 668 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: that up to you by giving you this guaranteed money 669 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: UM in hopes of you staying on the PGA Tour 670 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,439 Speaker 1: and you continuing your legacy. But you know, no other 671 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,760 Speaker 1: sports league does that, Like I don't think NBA pays 672 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's or Kobe Bryant or Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal, 673 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: all these like star athletes over the years and say hey, 674 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: thank you that what you've done over the years. Here's 675 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, a percentage of our company here moving forward 676 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: for you know, for at the end of time. Like 677 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: to me, it doesn't make any sense. It sounds at 678 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: bit like socialism. I don't know how that's going to 679 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: play in the locker room. And you're like, guys, who 680 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: watch Fox News. I don't like socialism. We're just giving 681 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: Tiger free money for doing nothing, man. But you know, 682 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 1: on the hindsight, I do agree that, you know, Tiger, 683 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: we wouldn't be here, we wouldn't be playing for the 684 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: amount of money that we're playing for if it wasn't 685 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: four tigers. So yes, rewarded with something um but to 686 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: give away a hundred million dollars a year, I feel 687 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: like it's a lot how much unhappiness is there among 688 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: the tour membership that you know, all of a sudden, 689 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: Live shows up in the tour just turned to spick 690 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: it on and millions and millions of dollars are flowing 691 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: out of the reserve fund and and they're squeezing sponsors. 692 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: It's like wow, you know, I mean, I think it's like, oh, 693 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: we just found twenty million dollars in the couch cushions. 694 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: Guys like sorry, we we've been sorry, been sitting on 695 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: this for all these years. Here here's the money you deserve. 696 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: Like that's that was the one of the biggest, you know, 697 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: biggest things to come out of the whole Live this 698 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,879 Speaker 1: whole experiment that we're in is that you know, we're 699 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: being trained and taught and you know, uh molded to 700 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: dislike the Live Tour, But as a p G a 701 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: tour player, what they've done to our tour this year, 702 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 1: next year, moving forward is amazing. Right, We're playing for 703 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: more money now now that when we've ever have. We've 704 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: accelerated our growth into the purses to be able to 705 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: keep our players right, We've come out with a hundred 706 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: million dollar pit program for the top players on our tour, 707 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: and so you know, you can kind of argue without 708 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: the Live Tour, we wouldn't have all these things. We 709 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: would still be playing for the purses that grow incrementally 710 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: from Latin the previous year, but we wouldn't be playing 711 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: for a hundred million dollars in the pit. We wouldn't 712 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: be playing for million dollars in the players champe ship, 713 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: we wouldn't be playing for twenty million dollars in tigers 714 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: event um at Riviera. And so you know, in hindsight, 715 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: they've actually made our tour a lot better. Oh yeah, well, 716 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's Phil Nicholson's whole that's his whole 717 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 1: position is like that, from even before Live launched, was 718 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: that the tour is not doing enough for the players. 719 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: And you know, I think in some ways he's been 720 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: vindicated and all this. But what is your take on 721 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: on the the rise and fall and rise again of 722 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: Phil Michelson through through this whole process. Yeah, that's a 723 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 1: man um personally. You know, I've been able to play 724 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: with Phil several times on the PGA Tour. I think 725 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: my personal experiences with him have always been great. You know, 726 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: same with Bryce and same with Brooks. Um. Those guys 727 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,240 Speaker 1: they speak their mind there. They're your non traditional PGA 728 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: Tour member that if they have any problems with the 729 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: tour that they are free to speak their mind and 730 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: kind of uh tell you where they're coming from and 731 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: back it up with real facts. Um. And you know, 732 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: it just kind of makes you see the other side 733 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: of of professional golf, right. I Mean, there's this whole exercise. 734 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,720 Speaker 1: There's good and bad about the p of what happens 735 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour pre you know, Michaelson and the 736 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: Live Tour. You know, I don't think there was one 737 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: add thing that the PGA Tour has done ever, right, 738 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's like they were 739 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: the Golden child. Like nothing that they do can ever 740 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: be you know, talk down upon or like that. They're 741 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: giving so much charity, they're changing people's lives. You know, 742 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: they're putting so much money uh into players pockets and 743 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 1: you know, in charities and foundations and all that. But 744 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: then now there's like a different side of it. And 745 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: now it's like you're starting to see things unfold for 746 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: both tours, but also you know the players that are involved. 747 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 1: Do you think Jay Monahans survives all of this? I, 748 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: as a as a current board member, I cannot answer 749 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: that question. Um. Maybe in a couple of months from now, 750 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: when my time's up, you know, I can probably give 751 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: you a solid answer. But UM, you know, as far 752 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: as we know, you know that the tour is still surviving, 753 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: we're having record numbers. UM, we have kept ah the 754 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: majority of the players on tour in the stars that 755 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: we needed to keep. Um. And so from that side 756 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 1: of it, you know, yeah, he stays on on the 757 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: as commissioner. Um. You know, I'm sure you can argue 758 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: and a lot of players have argued the other side 759 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: of it, UM that you know, could he have done more? Possibly? 760 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: But when you're going against Greg Norman and the Saudi 761 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: Golf Fund, and you know, basically an unlimited reserve that 762 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: they're sitting on. You know, it's hard to compete against 763 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: an entity like that. Yeah, but the tour has done 764 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: a good job competing. I mean, all the things we've 765 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: talked about like they they've really the money is flowing now. 766 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,439 Speaker 1: If if these changes that have happened the last few months, 767 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: if they had happened a year earlier before Live had launched, 768 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 1: you probably could have held onto some of your players, 769 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 1: right And to me, that that's where the Monday Morning 770 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,240 Speaker 1: quarterbacking comes about, is that Monahan didn't seem to take 771 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: the threat seriously enough or he didn't act fast enough, 772 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: like because clearly the mental change can be brought to 773 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: the PG Tour quickly. It happened in a week. You know, 774 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 1: there was a meeting in Delaware and then boom or 775 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 1: the tour championship and here's all the new changes, like 776 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: it happened almost overnight. So if you've done that a 777 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,399 Speaker 1: year earlier, I think you absolutely could have blunted liz 778 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: momentum in a huge way. Am I write about that absolutely? 779 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: I mean the one of the biggest critiques about what 780 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: we've done, as well as the decisions that Jay has 781 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: made is that we're all we're very reactive. You know, 782 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: We're waiting for them to make a move and then 783 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: we react to it, and we wait for them to 784 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: make another move and then we react to it. And 785 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: so you're absolutely right. I mean, if we had come 786 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: out with this pit program, uh two years earlier, you know, 787 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: could we have saved uh some of the players. Possibly? 788 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we we don't know. It's it's you know, kindsight, um, 789 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: but the fact that we've lost some of the some 790 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: of these big stars, um, you know, and in hindsight 791 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: also that I think if we would have come out 792 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: with this the pit program a few us earlier, guys 793 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,879 Speaker 1: like Dustin Bryson Brooks would have gone anyways, just their 794 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: number would have been exponentially larger, you know what I mean, 795 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: because they basically have to outbid the PGA tour and 796 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,879 Speaker 1: keeping me play these players, and they have an unlimited fund. 797 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: And so if dja's career earnings were projected to be 798 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 1: two d million dollars after the pit program and the 799 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: person increases, I'm sure the Saudis would have just random 800 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,959 Speaker 1: a check for four million dollars and just not even 801 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: bat and I are grass prices would have gone up 802 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,399 Speaker 1: a little bit. Pricely would have gone up a little bit. 803 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,399 Speaker 1: But you know that's just how that's just how it is, right, 804 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: And so that's a dark thought that our gas prices 805 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: are tied to recoup their money. Let's be got est, right, 806 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,759 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's if they were going to come out 807 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: with this tour. Eventually they were, they were ready. It 808 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: was time. Um, and all they need to do is, 809 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, what's what's everyone's number? Right, Alan, what's your number? James, 810 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,320 Speaker 1: what's your number? You know, everyone's got a number, and 811 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 1: they just keep bidding back and forth until someone reaches 812 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 1: that number. And then you start telling everybody, hey we 813 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,439 Speaker 1: got so and so on board. Um, you know who's 814 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: who's next? You know they're rulling right this checks I 815 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: mean thinking about the number. That's interesting is and I 816 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: think this is one of Monahan's miscalculations, is that he 817 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 1: might have overvalued what the PGA Tour means to some 818 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: of its players. Like to me, I would say, if 819 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm James Hant, I want to go back to Riveria 820 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. I want to go 821 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,360 Speaker 1: back to Quail Hollow. These are the greatest weeks of 822 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: your life instead of playing you know, in the middle 823 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 1: of nowhere in Saudi Arabia, but no fans like um, 824 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, the energy at the l A Open is 825 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: off the charts, and and you've got every time you 826 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: walk up the eighteenth fairway, you're gonna remember what you 827 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,240 Speaker 1: did and like, to me, that has so much value. 828 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,280 Speaker 1: But obviously, you know, maybe we over romanticize this because 829 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 1: a lot of the players were just happy to take 830 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,399 Speaker 1: the money and walk away from the tour and their 831 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: favorite tournaments and you know, the volunteers that they've known 832 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 1: for twenty years and the houses they stayed and all 833 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: these things they get written about in the local media, 834 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,719 Speaker 1: which it sounds almost like b s now, like you 835 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,360 Speaker 1: know what, now that really matters if if, if the 836 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,279 Speaker 1: check arrives. So I mean, how let's just let's just 837 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: say that that live made you a great offer, whatever 838 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: that number is. I mean, how hard would it be 839 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: for you to walk away from the tour life that 840 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: you know, Uh, honestly, it wouldn't be that hard to 841 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 1: walk away. And I'll tell you why, is that it 842 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: was very mind blowing when uh, the year that I 843 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,880 Speaker 1: got injured, I had a Parsley torn Trisu on them. 844 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,399 Speaker 1: So having a great career up until that, I never 845 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 1: lost my car to two wins on the PGA tour, 846 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,279 Speaker 1: injured my right elbow and all of a sudden, you know, 847 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 1: I'm on I'm on medical UM. I had to wait 848 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 1: six months to start getting medical checks um and being 849 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: able to being ready to come back and playing in 850 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: the confines of a medical UM status and being able 851 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 1: to keep my card that year was extremely difficult. And 852 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 1: so understanding that any injury that I have and just 853 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: as well as any sport um, could be the end 854 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: of my career, and that I'm disposable, that basically it's 855 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 1: next man up, someone else comes up. Um, No one's 856 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: really calling me and saying, hey, James, we really need 857 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: you on this tour or tour struggling without you, right, 858 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:20,800 Speaker 1: But understanding also that um, Tiger Woods, Uh, he's injured 859 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 1: and the tour is still surviving and doing very well, 860 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 1: that they're just gonna find the next person, you know, 861 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 1: like if we run in cycles, and so UM, knowing 862 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,759 Speaker 1: kind of that any week now, any year that my 863 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 1: PGA tour could be could be over, whether I don't 864 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 1: play well or I'm injured to have guaranteed money is 865 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: something that's really difficult to turn down. UM. So I'm 866 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 1: biging on myself that you know, I'm gonna stay healthy 867 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: for the next ten years, play on the Champions Tour 868 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 1: and do all that. Um. But if there's a number 869 00:46:54,920 --> 00:47:00,799 Speaker 1: out there that's basically gonna pay all that money. Um, 870 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,839 Speaker 1: and I gotta be very careful with my words, but 871 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: pay all that money up front to where if I 872 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 1: do get injured, that I will still have, um, the 873 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 1: life that I live. I mean, you can see my house. 874 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,400 Speaker 1: It's not a you know, it doesn't look like a 875 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: fifteen million dollar house, right. I got the smallest house 876 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 1: on the block. Um. You know I got a two 877 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen Henda Genesis in the garage. Like I'm 878 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,400 Speaker 1: not driving Lamborghi's and stuff like. So, ten million dollars 879 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: is life changing. So but for a guy like Dustin, 880 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,319 Speaker 1: you know, a hundred million dollars might not be life 881 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,759 Speaker 1: changing because he already has a hundred million dollars, you 882 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,959 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So, UM, I feel like each 883 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:40,919 Speaker 1: person has their number of what really is life changing, um, 884 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,799 Speaker 1: and then being able to walk away from the game. 885 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a legitimate question that a lot 886 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:52,560 Speaker 1: of PGA Tour players are asked. Yeah, well that's well said, 887 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,320 Speaker 1: and I appreciate your candor. And uh, you know, I 888 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 1: think because golfers have a long career, as the fans, 889 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: don't think too much about how how much injury can 890 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 1: can factor and decision. But no doubt for for Brooks 891 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: and Bryson, that was certainly a factor. I mean they've 892 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,239 Speaker 1: they've had serious injuries and you hapen to wheels out tours. 893 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 1: I mean that was the most expensive back injury in history, right. 894 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna with the FedEx Cup maybe and 895 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,200 Speaker 1: drops to thirty and who knows what his future looks like. 896 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 1: So they definitely I think that that's a that's absolutely 897 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: legitimate concern, even even if it's not really forefront for 898 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,080 Speaker 1: for golf fans. But right, and it's it's also like 899 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 1: to be able, let's say a couple of years from now, 900 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,719 Speaker 1: you know, if Brooks or Bryson had stayed on the 901 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: PGA Tour and they were to have gotten injured and 902 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,240 Speaker 1: they have a life or career ending injury, right, They're 903 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,399 Speaker 1: going to regret it, probably for a really long time. 904 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,799 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say the rest of your life, 905 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,680 Speaker 1: because they do have you know, I've made some really 906 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,160 Speaker 1: good investments, um of not just taking the money, you 907 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,400 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Um, And so there's it's hindsights 908 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,560 Speaker 1: always twenties. Yeah, if you're gonna stay healthy for the 909 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,640 Speaker 1: next twenty years, by all means, stay on the PGA tour. 910 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 1: Love to play on the PGA tour, um, and just 911 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,319 Speaker 1: make a legacy for yourself. But if there's even that 912 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 1: one percent chance that you feel like you're gonna get 913 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,879 Speaker 1: injured or you have had injuries in the past, it's 914 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,319 Speaker 1: easier to to take the guaranteed money then and take 915 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,960 Speaker 1: a chance on your body. Yeah. All right, Well I've 916 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,640 Speaker 1: had a chance to talk about these things, and you know, 917 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:29,280 Speaker 1: Twitter is so reductionists and it's hard to fully express yourself. 918 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,440 Speaker 1: But I think the fans of home listening to this 919 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 1: conversation will will have a more a greater appreciation for 920 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 1: your thoughtfulness and and that you you have ruminate on 921 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,279 Speaker 1: these things in a pretty deep way. So and one 922 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,800 Speaker 1: thing that I would like to, you know, to say 923 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 1: is that I absolutely love the PGA tour. Right, I 924 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,480 Speaker 1: get a lot of Twitter hate saying, you know, Why 925 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,880 Speaker 1: don't you just join live? Why don't you uh, you know, 926 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,880 Speaker 1: it seems like you hate the PGA Tour so much, 927 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't hate the PGA Tour. It's 928 00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 1: like I play on the p G a to or 929 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,280 Speaker 1: you know, how can how can someone hate the PGA 930 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,680 Speaker 1: Tour and play on the PGA Tour and play full 931 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,160 Speaker 1: schedule of twenty eight events? To me, it just I 932 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 1: don't understand it, right, And so, UM, I love what 933 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,360 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour is doing. There's so many great stories. Um. 934 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,520 Speaker 1: I am grateful for the opportunities that I've gotten, the 935 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,560 Speaker 1: two tournament wins that I've had, and hopefully more throughout 936 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,799 Speaker 1: my career being able to qualify for, um, you know, 937 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,520 Speaker 1: a Wryder Cup or a President's Cup. Definitely some goals 938 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,040 Speaker 1: of mine that I have. UM. But I can be mad, 939 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,480 Speaker 1: I can and I can love the PGA Tour and 940 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,600 Speaker 1: enjoy playing on a PGA Tour, but also question some 941 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,520 Speaker 1: of the things that they're doing in the background. Right, 942 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,040 Speaker 1: I can question why money is going not more towards 943 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, the average to above average PGA Tour player 944 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,080 Speaker 1: and only concentrated on the top players. And I understand 945 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 1: the whole aspect of it. But you know I can, 946 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,960 Speaker 1: I can question these things, and I you know, I 947 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,839 Speaker 1: have an opinion. I have a right to do that. 948 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,600 Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that I Tomorrow, I'm just gonna 949 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,080 Speaker 1: call up it and say, hey, you know, I hate 950 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,920 Speaker 1: the PGA tour. I want to leave. You know, I 951 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,400 Speaker 1: love playing on tour, I love supporting these events. I 952 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,920 Speaker 1: love um the fans that show up for it. And 953 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, I plan on staying here for a really 954 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,239 Speaker 1: long time, so you're gonna have to deal with me 955 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,759 Speaker 1: for a long time. A part of loving something is 956 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,640 Speaker 1: you want it to be better. And like you know, 957 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 1: patriotism is not just blindly following what you're told. It's 958 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,000 Speaker 1: it's questioning authority and it's advocating for change. And I mean, 959 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,840 Speaker 1: you can you can love America and you can, but 960 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,719 Speaker 1: you can want it to be better. It's the same 961 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,680 Speaker 1: with anything. So um, I think I think that's a 962 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,439 Speaker 1: very important point for you to make. So UM, Well, 963 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,359 Speaker 1: this this was this was an edifying conversation. I feel 964 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,799 Speaker 1: like we should do this a little more often. Let's 965 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,160 Speaker 1: let's try, and let's let's say next time there's a 966 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,960 Speaker 1: there's a there's a reason to continue this this this discussion. 967 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,680 Speaker 1: Let's get back on here because I think your perspective 968 00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,040 Speaker 1: is is definitely important for fans to hear. So if 969 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,000 Speaker 1: James Han, thank you for doing this Fire Drill podcast, 970 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,560 Speaker 1: will we'll wrap it up here. This is Alan Ship Night. 971 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,160 Speaker 1: We will be back in your ears soon. And uh 972 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,000 Speaker 1: and speaking for all golf fans and James, I think 973 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,440 Speaker 1: we hope we play well. Make that Rider Cup team. 974 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,239 Speaker 1: I mean that would that would be sweet. It's uh, 975 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,160 Speaker 1: you've had it. You've had quite a journey through golf, 976 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,719 Speaker 1: so I'm glad it's gonna keep going. Thank you very much. 977 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for giving me an opportunity. You just gotta express myself, 978 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,439 Speaker 1: um and not on the confines of Twitter, So thank you. Really. Yeah. 979 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:27,279 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it a bit big and I played to win, 980 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,799 Speaker 1: made a fortune, win my ship game and I ran 981 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 1: the table. Never thought I could fall them. The winter 982 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:42,120 Speaker 1: time hit me like a cannon ball. And now I 983 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,720 Speaker 1: can't shake this losing the street. Every road I take 984 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:52,440 Speaker 1: is a dead end street. I got thoughts in my head, 985 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:58,280 Speaker 1: can't give try and nothing what I'm thinking about about 986 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,919 Speaker 1: in my head can get them out and try and 987 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,480 Speaker 1: not to think what I'm thinking about,