WEBVTT - How Trump is Using Election Fraud Claims to Restrict Voting 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:05.640 Media. 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:09.240 Welcome to it could happen here a show but things 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:12.360 falling apart. I'm Garrison Davis today I am joined by 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:13.440 James Stout. 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.760 Hello, Hi, Ge, I'm excited to see what's falling apart today. 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:21.159 Well, that's our elections, which have, as we all know, 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.000 have been rigged for as long as I can remember, 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.320 which is kind of true considering when I was born 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.600 circa the year two thousand oh. 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:34.560 Yeah, the famous, the great and democratic election of the 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:36.479 two in the United States. 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:40.199 The flawless election of two thousand. Yeah. But no, we 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.720 are going to be talking about Trump's continuing claims that 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:47.320 the twenty twenty election was rigged and his investigation of 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:51.040 election fraud in not just the twenty twenty election, but 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:55.520 also the twenty twenty four election, which, if you recall, 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:02.040 was not rigged against Trump, considering Trump won that election, 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:03.520 including the popular vote. 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.440 Yeah, he won every way you could slice that up, 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:10.720 a sweeping victory. Yeah, it was a file for the Democrats. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:14.440 But a lot of the investigations into election fraud actually 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.880 do revolve around the twenty twenty four voter roles, which 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.840 we will discuss in a bit. But first let's go 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:25.080 back a few weeks on Executive Disorder, I reported that 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:29.400 Cash Bettel went onto Fox News a few weeks ago 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.560 and announced that the FBI would soon be making arrests 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:36.360 related to Trump's claims that the twenty twenty election was stolen, 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.440 with Patel saying it was a conspiracy and quote, they 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:44.040 tried to thwart our elections and rig the entire system. 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.320 We got all the evidence, we've got all the efforts. 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.680 I can announce on your show that we've got all 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.320 the information we need. We're working with our prosecutors, the 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.160 Department of Justice and the Attorney General Todd Blanche and 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.160 we are going to be making arrest and it's coming, 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.160 and I promise you it's coming soon. 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.440 Patel also claimed on Fox News, quote, we have the 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:09.040 information to back President Trump's claims. About a week and 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:14.200 a half later, the DOJ announced quote multiple aliens charged 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:20.280 with illegally voting in federal elections. It's multiple James, multiple, well. 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.520 O case, yes, but what we're looking at three? 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.800 No, no more than three, more than three. It was four. 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:26.880 It was fun. 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:32.880 Fun to me, Okay, just for people who aren't familiar 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.440 with the skir of the United States, it's it's not 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:39.720 a statistically significant number. When it comes to electoral outcomes, 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:43.280 generally they are decided by several multiples of four. 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:49.679 Usually yeah, Patel commented, quote Securing our elections from criminal 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:51.960 actors here at home and around the world is one 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:55.600 of the top priorities for this FBI. Non citizens voting 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.280 is a federal crime, period and while other administrations may 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.240 have looked the other way in the past, those days 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.440 are over. We will continue to work around the clock 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.320 with our interagency partners to ensure those who engage in 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.520 such conduct will not get away with it. So these 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:12.640 arrests took place in New Jersey, and these quote unquote 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:17.440 multiple aliens. There were four permanent residents who registered to 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.840 vote and cast ballots in at least one federal election 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:26.519 before applying for naturalization via the N four hundred. Now 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.800 the N four hundred form has a section where it 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:33.200 asks if the applicant has ever registered to vote or 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.800 has voted in a federal, state, or local election. Three 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.440 of the people charged in New Jersey checked no in 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.880 the box asking if they had voted. The other left 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.720 the box blank, but when later questioned by an Immigration 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:52.840 Services officer at the USCIS interview, this applicant answered no, 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:57.960 that they did not or have not voted. Now, interestingly, 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.760 only two out of the four are actually charged with 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:06.320 quote voting by an alien in a federal election. Okay, 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:11.080 Three are charged with false statements in relation to naturalization, yeah, 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:16.160 and two are charged with procurement of citizenship or naturalization unlawfully. 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.640 Yeah, because I'm guessing the goal here would be to denaturalize. 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.400 Them, right for the people that were naturalized that that 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.360 looks like that will that will be part of what 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:25.440 they do going forward. 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:29.440 Yeah, I know I've reported on this in need before, 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:33.839 but like large parts of USCIS have denaturalization targets right 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.640 in the same way that we've seen deportation targets for 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:40.840 ICE and CBP. So like that will be the reason 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:45.360 that though the specific charges, right, that is the easiest 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.279 way to denaturalize someone. I was going to say the 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.440 only way, but I think there are technically other ways. 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:52.320 But like the bulk of time you're going to see 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:56.640 someone denaturalized, it's because they concealed previously, it had been 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.360 that they had concealed like some loyalty to like like 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.640 a terrorist group, right yea or preps. There are bars 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.600 for like communists and Nazis. Like like with capital letters, 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.760 I'm not talking about the political affiliation. I'm talking about 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.360 like being a member of a party with a party 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.320 card there, I'm not talking about it the view necessarily. 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.280 Yeah, that's a whole other Like tangents, there's back and 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:21.279 forth rule legs. If you can really denaturalize someone for 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.520 being a member of a communist party still depends what 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.560 they mean by communist party. Yeah, that's kind of like 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.960 a vague term. But the false statements in relation to naturalization, 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.359 as in allegedly lying on the form by checking a 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.560 box that conflicts with what the federal government is alleging, 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:41.480 is a much more clear cut route to denaturalization. Yeah. 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.920 One of the people charged is a Green Card holder 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:50.640 from Liberia who immigrated as a refugee in nineteen ninety eight, 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:55.400 named David Nwili. He's currently seventy three years old. He 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.240 allegedly registered to vote in New Jersey in two thousand 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.200 and three and attested he was a US citizen. The 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.840 complaint claims Nuelly voted by mail in the twenty twenty 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:08.359 general election and submitted a provisional ballot in person on 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:12.960 November fifth, twenty twenty four for that general election next May. 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.080 It's May twenty twenty five. Nuelli submitted a N four 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.919 hundred claiming he had never voted in the US, but 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:26.479 admitted to voting twice in the naturalization interview. Okay, he 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.760 is charged with voting by an alien in a federal 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.560 election and false statements. Yep, those are charges he's facing. 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.680 That's interesting because he like he seems to clarified it 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.600 in the interview, right correct. I don't quite know how 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:40.520 that works, but. 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.839 Like he did admit in the interview that he that 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.360 he did vote, but they're still charging him with false 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.400 statements based on the N four hundred, And. 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.320 It will be interesting to follow. It could be pretty 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:52.920 hard to stick the landing on that given that he 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:55.240 I mean, I guess technically what you put on the 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.200 form is there's no take backs, I guess, But him 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.640 using the interview to clarify it certainly, see like he's 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.880 trying to do what is in the spirit of the 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:07.120 things asking him to do. Yeah, that will be an 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:08.120 interesting one to follow. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:13.120 This was also interesting because it shows the investigative capacity 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.560 of the FBI. This guy admitted to that, like he 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:19.000 admitted to this in the USCIS interview, the FBI did 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:20.119 not like crack the case. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:23.160 Yeah, yeah, like there, yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, he told 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.800 he told the cops that he did it. Yeah. When 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:27.280 was his USCIS interview. 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:31.280 I'm not sure when the interview was. He submitted the 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.560 N four hundred and May twenty twenty five, okay, so 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.119 Trump two, it would have been in late twenty twenty five. Yeah, 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:38.720 this was at least within the last year. 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:39.000 Yeah. 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:40.480 Yeah, yeah, it was some of those N four hundreds 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.760 thing forever now totally. It's kind of interesting, but yeah, 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.240 I'm just wondering to what extent previously, I don't actually know, 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:51.120 to an extent previously USCIS would like refer people for prosecution. 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.360 Yeah, that is that is a good question. 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:53.800 Yeah. 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.800 Oh wait, wait wait wait no, here here here. August 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.720 twenty twenty five, okay, was when he was interviewed, according 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:00.640 to the criminal. 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:04.040 Complaint relativity first turnaround. Yeah, I wonder if that's just 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:07.080 a part of the country he's in, or whether that 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.680 was because like they wanted to get in the office, right, 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.200 And then I had to clarify or detain him because 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:14.080 he had voted. 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:19.320 And then in October USCIS denied the application due to 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:21.920 a lawful acts of voting in the twenty twenty and 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.760 twenty twenty four elections and the false statement on the end. 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:25.400 Four hundred. 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:26.600 Yeah. 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.200 We will take an ad break here and then talk 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:43.800 about the three other cases after these messages. All right, 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:48.960 we are back. Iden Koresh, forty three years old, is 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.960 a Green Card holder who immigrated from Israel on a 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:56.360 B two visa in twenty fifteen. In twenty twenty one, 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.480 Koresh allegedly registered to vote in New Jersey, asserting he 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:01.760 was a US CITZ and voted in person in the 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:06.480 twenty twenty two midterm election. Grash later submitted an N 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.560 four hundred and twenty twenty five based on his charges. 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.520 I believe his citizenship was granted because he's charged with 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:17.520 voting by an alien in a federal election and procurement 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:21.520 of citizenship or naturalization unlawfully. A lot of these criminal 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:26.040 complaints are quite short, around seven pages, okay. Jascynthic Zoom 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:30.560 is a seventy year old Green Card holder who's lived 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.240 in the US since two thousand after emigrating from Jamaica. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.920 She allegedly registered to vote in twenty eighteen and voted 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.840 by mail in the twenty twenty general election. She's submitted 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:44.760 in N four hundred and twenty twenty one and was 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.840 granted citizenship based on what the DOJ is calling false statements. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:53.360 She's charged with two counts of false statements in relation 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:54.760 to naturalization. 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.440 Two counts would be I guess, registering to vote and voting. 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.400 She's, oddly enough, one of the ones who's not actually 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:05.480 charged with voting in a federal election. She's just charged 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.800 with two false statements. This is I think, one in 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.280 the interview, the other on the end four hundred. 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.640 Oh okay, yeah, that caind of makes sense to Yeah, yeah, 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.440 it's interesting they didn't charge Maybe, like I guess, they're 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.240 like eyes on the prize, trying to denaturalize someone. 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:22.160 Yeah, I mean, but like a big part of the 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.199 FBI's messaging in this is, you know, we found people 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:29.080 who are illegally voted, but half of the people here 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.840 aren't actually charged with that, and I don't quite know why. 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:36.360 Maybe it's the erectally possible the charges could be added later, 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:40.280 but at least in the original criminal complaints issued when 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:44.280 DJ made announcement, eg Zoom is not actually charged with voting, 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.280 even though even though the criminal complaint says that she did, 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:48.840 but it's not, it's not one of the charges. 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:52.560 Yeah, the normal pattern with federal charges is to have 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.760 a lot of charges and like most of these federal 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.240 cases will end in plea bargains, right because the exposure 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.040 is so high. So yeah, it's interesting that that's not 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.840 there when normally the patents to put as much as 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:06.520 you can in front of the person so that you 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:07.640 end up with the plea vargain. 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:13.000 This last guy is also not charged with illegally voting 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:17.480 in a federal election, being a done. Vig is a 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.079 thirty three year old Green Card holder who immigrated from 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.319 India in twenty twelve. He's alleged to a registered to 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.960 vote in twenty sixteen and subsequently voted in person for 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.320 the twenty sixteen general election and then by mail in 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:32.000 twenty twenty. Vig later submitted an end four hundred and 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.679 twenty twenty three, but he only faces one charge, procurement 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.280 of citizenship or naturalization unlawfully. So again, a lot of 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.280 these charges, even even though the criminal complaints allege a 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:45.240 lot of the same stuff, the actual charges very greatly 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.679 and it's it is unclear why exactly that. 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.360 Is, Yeah, I think different. They're all in New Jersey, 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:54.199 all New Jersey, say same year, say attorney. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:58.280 it's it's interesting. It'll be interesting to follow those cases 0:11:58.320 --> 0:11:59.960 as well. Like I know, like I said that they 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:04.560 have some sort of denaturalization targets, so whether they're just 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.959 focusing their energies on that. It could be a case. 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.400 So it could be something to do with the specifics 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.800 of that crime that I just don't know about. Voting 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:13.560 will not assitis in. 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.880 Yeah, there could be some prosecutorial reason that they aren't 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.840 pursuing it in certain cases but are in others. Yeah. 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.400 And they're all alleged to voted in federal elections, right, 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:23.920 that's yeah. 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:27.439 Yeah, yeah, in at least one federal election, either presidential 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.760 general election or midterm general election. Yeah. And New Jersey 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:35.680 does not have like local election voting for non citizens. Yeah. 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.080 A few days before Patel announced the imminent arrests on 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.160 Fox News, the Department of Justice sent a letter to 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:46.240 the chief election official for Wayne County, Michigan, demanding Wayne 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:50.680 County hand over all ballots from the twenty twenty four election. 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.000 The letter said that DOJ and its Civil Rights Division 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.280 is authorized to investigate and prosecute individuals who may have 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.240 registered to vote or voted in violation of US law. 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:05.600 The letter included three instances of recorded allegations and convictions 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:09.680 in Wayne County in quote unquote recent years related to 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.360 voting fraud. This pushed by the DOJ to get their 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.520 hands on ballots or voter rolls is part of a 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:21.920 much larger pattern. In January, during Operation Metro Surge in Minneapolis, 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:25.640 one of the demands from now former Attorney General Pambondi 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:28.920 during negotiations with Governor Tim Walls was for the DOJ 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.880 to be granted access to the state of Minnesota's voter 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:36.440 rolls quote to confirm that Minnesota's voter registration practices comply 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:41.000 with federal law unquote. Trump's DOJ has actually sued over 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:45.240 thirty states for not complying with requests to gain access 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:49.520 to their voter roles. Cases against Arizona, Massachusetts, Rhode Island 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:53.680 have been dismissed, as have cases in California, Michigan, and Oregon, 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.559 but the DOJ is appealing those rulings. At least fifteen 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.520 states have complied or since they will comply with quests 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.640 by handing over voter registration lists, including driver's license and 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:13.079 social security numbers. These are largely red states Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nebraska, Ohio, Oklahoma, 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:18.920 South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, and Wyoming. In a 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.960 March hearing in the case against Rhode Island to gain 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.720 access to their voter rules, Eric Neff, the acting chief 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.200 of the Voting Section of the Civil Rights Division of 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:32.400 the DOJ, said that after receiving the voter roles quote, 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:38.320 our intention is to run this against DHS's SAVE database unquote. 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:43.480 That's the systematic Alien Verification for entitlements database exchange. Don't 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.840 have briefly exxplain what the database is and how it's used. 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:51.280 In very basic terms, it is a database, so you 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.040 have like E verified. Right will be an example of 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:57.520 a database that employers can use to check if somebody 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.360 is able to accept employment legally. In the United States. 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:04.760 SAVE is there for government agencies, not individuals, and they 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:08.200 should be able to determine whether or not somebody is 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.960 eligible for certain benefits. Right. There are things called public 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.960 charge rules. If people want a more in depth explanation 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:18.240 of public charge rules. You can scroll all the way 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.720 back to November twenty twenty four, when I made a 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.960 podcast about these things. We looked at a number of 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.600 tools that the Trump administration might use to try and 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:31.080 deport andtly naturalize people in a podcast episode back then. 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.320 The problem with these databases is they're not very good. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:39.280 The most obvious and amusing examples of everifying not being 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:43.840 very good are when state agencies hire cops who DHS 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.200 claims are not legally able to work in the United States, 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:51.240 and then the state agencies point out that they used everify, 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:56.360 which is DHS's own tool for verifying, and then everyone 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.400 gets quiet and wonder, it's like a goo screwed up here, right, 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.600 because they have done their obligation right, large employers have 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:06.239 to use you verify. The same is true, I imagine 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:10.600 for save right in that it is not a database 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:15.600 which is perfect, and so running one against the other. 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.400 Also that the phrase running here is doing a lot 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.520 of work, right, Like are they going to look for 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:25.000 name matches? Are they going to look for social Security 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:29.040 number or driver's license matches? Certain non citizens will have 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.360 what's called an I T I N on SSN. There 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.920 are a lot of ways which this could go horribly wrong. 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:39.080 There's a reason that these two databases are not normally combined. 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:43.000 Not to mention the fact that this provides a really 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:47.440 large disincentive for people a signing up for benefits, right, 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:51.640 which we've already seen just the rhetoric from the Trump 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:56.160 administration in the campaign, provided a disincentive for people accessing benefits, 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.440 but also for people registering to vote, right, Like, Yeah, 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.240 people who are of diaspora communities, whether or not they 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.919 are citizens, will be concerned about this, Like, and that 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:10.359 is not a that is not an unconscious side effect, 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.239 I'm sure, right, And that is something that they are 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.520 extremely aware of as they go forward doing this. 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:19.399 The Court raised concerns about SAVE and said that there 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.120 has been reporting of people being falsely identified as non 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:29.639 citizens in SAVES database, but Eric Neff responded that according 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:34.040 to the DHS, the accuracy rate of the SAVE database 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:38.119 is one hundred percent. So I'm sure that's fine. You 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.679 it's just no database of the skill. No, that's just 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:45.280 mathematically impossible, Like it's yeah, ninety nine percent and one 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.840 dred percent are like vastly vastly different. 0:17:48.080 --> 0:18:01.240 Yeah, But It's worth noting that, like in Trump's one 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:04.480 of his early executive orders, like like Spring of twenty five, 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.960 the one about preserving the integrity of American elections, part 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.600 of what he asks them to do there was to 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:16.719 overhaul SAVE and make it like a a single source 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:21.119 citizenship verification yeah database, which it is not, and it 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:21.720 is still not. 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.560 Yeah, and there's there's there that is that push from 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:26.919 the executive order a few months ago to create like 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:28.360 state citizenship lists. 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:30.960 M hmm. Yeah. They've tried to go a number of 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.400 ways about this, right. They also the fall of last 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:37.159 year they integrated SAVE with the with the passport database. 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.160 I think most people will be aware that there are 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:45.280 millions of American citizens who don't have passports for instance. Right. Yeah, 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:49.080 They've added some other stuff, right, But the idea here 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.359 is to create like and it should worry everyone, right, like, 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:56.640 this is a citizenship database that they will then attempt 0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:01.160 to combine with their biometric databases. I'm sure. And we've 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.320 seen this with like the the name of the android 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.200 app is eluding me. Now there's an Android app that 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:09.160 Ice officers have which is supposed to verify someone's status 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.399 based on the facial recognition scan. We know it doesn't 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.480 work because there was one, for example, one lady who 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:21.000 was scanned twice. Each result returned it different. Yeah, neither 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:26.520 of which was her. This stuff is extremely dangerous for anyone, right, 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:28.199 Like you'd be a citizen or a non cenizen. The 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.840 idea that they're going to check you against like the 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.119 list of legit Americans should. 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:38.440 Really worry people. Yeah, and unable to pass the Save 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.720 Act in Congress, not to be confused for the same database, 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.920 though they are slightly related. Yeah, but unable to pass 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.600 that in Congress. Trump signed executive order last March temping 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.679 to force the Postal Service to not deliver mail in 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:55.040 ballots if the voter on the ballot does not appear 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:59.080 on this newly created list of pre approved voters using 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.160 this state citizen list. Yeah, we'll see if that actually 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.359 goes through. But that's it's another example of them, you know, 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:08.439 trying to trying to use state citizenship lists to just 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:10.359 crack down on the number of people that are able 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:11.800 to vote. 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.280 Yeah, we can all imagine that this will have different 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:18.240 impacts across different demographics, right, and like that that is 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:19.560 very much not accidental. 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:24.560 And the last thing for the voter roles in Fulton Keunty, Georgia, 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:28.960 and Maracopa County, Arizona, the federal government has simply seized 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:33.600 voting records. In Arizona, the FBI successfully subpoenaed twenty twenty 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:37.639 election records from Maricopa County, and in Georgia, the FBI 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:41.800 raided an election warehouse in January after dubiously obtaining a 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:46.359 search warrant. Yeah. Then on May sixth, a federal judge 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:50.359 ruled that the federal government can keep the twenty twenty 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:54.280 election materials that were seized in that raid, even if 0:20:54.440 --> 0:21:00.120 quote the seizure in this case was certainly not perfect unquote. 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:04.320 Yeah. Maricopa County's an interesting one, right, but I think 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:08.040 it's part of a grand jury investigation. Yes, yeah, I 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:11.720 can remember at the time and the twenty twenty election, 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:16.760 like Maricopa County's results being somehow contentious. 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.639 The State Center did their own investigation into that, like 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:23.399 several entities have. Right, the details of that investigation is 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.720 in part what was the target of the grand jury subpoena. 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:30.320 Okay, not so much Maricopa County, but a number of 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:33.040 Arizona counties were really important in the results of the 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:36.760 twenty twenty election. Right, there was a massive effort for turnout. 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:40.280 I personally know people in indigenous communities who literally traveled 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:44.000 for the entire day to vote. The Indigenous turnout, especially 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:46.439 Indigenous women in Arizona, really did make a big difference 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:47.399 in the twenty twenty election. 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:51.800 And Americopa County is the like by population, the biggest county. 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:55.760 Maricopa County's fast A number of other like Arizona counties, 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:59.040 like outside of a Maricopa were also really pivotal in 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:02.520 twenty twenty election. It's not surprising to see those ones 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:04.400 being tied. Like it wasn't surprising to me the time 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:06.960 to see them being targeted, you know. Yeah, marracop is 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:08.639 what Phoenix is, just for people to put it on 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:12.600 the map. Famous for having really great law enforcement over 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:16.960 the years, Joe Opio was aka do you sheriff? Yeah? 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:21.200 Oh yes, ah, last from the past. 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:25.639 Yeah yeah, not so often. Isn't he like doing some 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:28.840 running for office or something? I thought he was he 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:31.120 was for a bit. I have not thought of Joe 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.960 Opio for a few years though. What a life to lead. Yeah, 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:38.520 it's been a while. Wow, Joe Opio born in nineteen 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:39.200 thirty two. 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:40.760 That's that's wild. 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:45.800 Yeah, he can't be even for the United States even 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:47.600 a little. 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:53.720 Yeah, but no, Trump does continue to truth claims about 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.680 Fulton County on his On his account of a few 0:22:56.760 --> 0:23:00.160 nights ago, he put out a video of the action 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:03.119 board that he was edited to appear as if it 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:06.919 was implying that there was voter fraud or that the 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:11.520