Speaker 1: Media.
Speaker 2: Welcome to it could happen here a show but things
Speaker 2: falling apart. I'm Garrison Davis today I am joined by
Speaker 2: James Stout.
Speaker 3: Hello, Hi, Ge, I'm excited to see what's falling apart today.
Speaker 2: Well, that's our elections, which have, as we all know,
Speaker 2: have been rigged for as long as I can remember,
Speaker 2: which is kind of true considering when I was born
Speaker 2: circa the year two thousand oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the famous, the great and democratic election of the
Speaker 3: two in the United States.
Speaker 2: The flawless election of two thousand. Yeah. But no, we
Speaker 2: are going to be talking about Trump's continuing claims that
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty election was rigged and his investigation of
Speaker 2: election fraud in not just the twenty twenty election, but
Speaker 2: also the twenty twenty four election, which, if you recall,
Speaker 2: was not rigged against Trump, considering Trump won that election,
Speaker 2: including the popular vote.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he won every way you could slice that up,
Speaker 3: a sweeping victory. Yeah, it was a file for the Democrats.
Speaker 2: But a lot of the investigations into election fraud actually
Speaker 2: do revolve around the twenty twenty four voter roles, which
Speaker 2: we will discuss in a bit. But first let's go
Speaker 2: back a few weeks on Executive Disorder, I reported that
Speaker 2: Cash Bettel went onto Fox News a few weeks ago
Speaker 2: and announced that the FBI would soon be making arrests
Speaker 2: related to Trump's claims that the twenty twenty election was stolen,
Speaker 2: with Patel saying it was a conspiracy and quote, they
Speaker 2: tried to thwart our elections and rig the entire system.
Speaker 2: We got all the evidence, we've got all the efforts.
Speaker 4: I can announce on your show that we've got all
Speaker 4: the information we need. We're working with our prosecutors, the
Speaker 4: Department of Justice and the Attorney General Todd Blanche and
Speaker 4: we are going to be making arrest and it's coming,
Speaker 4: and I promise you it's coming soon.
Speaker 2: Patel also claimed on Fox News, quote, we have the
Speaker 2: information to back President Trump's claims. About a week and
Speaker 2: a half later, the DOJ announced quote multiple aliens charged
Speaker 2: with illegally voting in federal elections. It's multiple James, multiple, well.
Speaker 3: O case, yes, but what we're looking at three?
Speaker 2: No, no more than three, more than three. It was four.
Speaker 2: It was fun.
Speaker 3: Fun to me, Okay, just for people who aren't familiar
Speaker 3: with the skir of the United States, it's it's not
Speaker 3: a statistically significant number. When it comes to electoral outcomes,
Speaker 3: generally they are decided by several multiples of four.
Speaker 2: Usually yeah, Patel commented, quote Securing our elections from criminal
Speaker 2: actors here at home and around the world is one
Speaker 2: of the top priorities for this FBI. Non citizens voting
Speaker 2: is a federal crime, period and while other administrations may
Speaker 2: have looked the other way in the past, those days
Speaker 2: are over. We will continue to work around the clock
Speaker 2: with our interagency partners to ensure those who engage in
Speaker 2: such conduct will not get away with it. So these
Speaker 2: arrests took place in New Jersey, and these quote unquote
Speaker 2: multiple aliens. There were four permanent residents who registered to
Speaker 2: vote and cast ballots in at least one federal election
Speaker 2: before applying for naturalization via the N four hundred. Now
Speaker 2: the N four hundred form has a section where it
Speaker 2: asks if the applicant has ever registered to vote or
Speaker 2: has voted in a federal, state, or local election. Three
Speaker 2: of the people charged in New Jersey checked no in
Speaker 2: the box asking if they had voted. The other left
Speaker 2: the box blank, but when later questioned by an Immigration
Speaker 2: Services officer at the USCIS interview, this applicant answered no,
Speaker 2: that they did not or have not voted. Now, interestingly,
Speaker 2: only two out of the four are actually charged with
Speaker 2: quote voting by an alien in a federal election. Okay,
Speaker 2: Three are charged with false statements in relation to naturalization, yeah,
Speaker 2: and two are charged with procurement of citizenship or naturalization unlawfully.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm guessing the goal here would be to denaturalize.
Speaker 2: Them, right for the people that were naturalized that that
Speaker 2: looks like that will that will be part of what
Speaker 2: they do going forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know I've reported on this in need before,
Speaker 3: but like large parts of USCIS have denaturalization targets right
Speaker 3: in the same way that we've seen deportation targets for
Speaker 3: ICE and CBP. So like that will be the reason
Speaker 3: that though the specific charges, right, that is the easiest
Speaker 3: way to denaturalize someone. I was going to say the
Speaker 3: only way, but I think there are technically other ways.
Speaker 3: But like the bulk of time you're going to see
Speaker 3: someone denaturalized, it's because they concealed previously, it had been
Speaker 3: that they had concealed like some loyalty to like like
Speaker 3: a terrorist group, right yea or preps. There are bars
Speaker 3: for like communists and Nazis. Like like with capital letters,
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about the political affiliation. I'm talking about
Speaker 3: like being a member of a party with a party
Speaker 3: card there, I'm not talking about it the view necessarily.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a whole other Like tangents, there's back and
Speaker 2: forth rule legs. If you can really denaturalize someone for
Speaker 2: being a member of a communist party still depends what
Speaker 2: they mean by communist party. Yeah, that's kind of like
Speaker 2: a vague term. But the false statements in relation to naturalization,
Speaker 2: as in allegedly lying on the form by checking a
Speaker 2: box that conflicts with what the federal government is alleging,
Speaker 2: is a much more clear cut route to denaturalization. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of the people charged is a Green Card holder
Speaker 2: from Liberia who immigrated as a refugee in nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 2: named David Nwili. He's currently seventy three years old. He
Speaker 2: allegedly registered to vote in New Jersey in two thousand
Speaker 2: and three and attested he was a US citizen. The
Speaker 2: complaint claims Nuelly voted by mail in the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: general election and submitted a provisional ballot in person on
Speaker 2: November fifth, twenty twenty four for that general election next May.
Speaker 2: It's May twenty twenty five. Nuelli submitted a N four
Speaker 2: hundred claiming he had never voted in the US, but
Speaker 2: admitted to voting twice in the naturalization interview. Okay, he
Speaker 2: is charged with voting by an alien in a federal
Speaker 2: election and false statements. Yep, those are charges he's facing.
Speaker 3: That's interesting because he like he seems to clarified it
Speaker 3: in the interview, right correct. I don't quite know how
Speaker 3: that works, but.
Speaker 2: Like he did admit in the interview that he that
Speaker 2: he did vote, but they're still charging him with false
Speaker 2: statements based on the N four hundred, And.
Speaker 3: It will be interesting to follow. It could be pretty
Speaker 3: hard to stick the landing on that given that he
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess technically what you put on the
Speaker 3: form is there's no take backs, I guess, But him
Speaker 3: using the interview to clarify it certainly, see like he's
Speaker 3: trying to do what is in the spirit of the
Speaker 3: things asking him to do. Yeah, that will be an
Speaker 3: interesting one to follow.
Speaker 2: This was also interesting because it shows the investigative capacity
Speaker 2: of the FBI. This guy admitted to that, like he
Speaker 2: admitted to this in the USCIS interview, the FBI did
Speaker 2: not like crack the case.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like there, yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, he told
Speaker 3: he told the cops that he did it. Yeah. When
Speaker 3: was his USCIS interview.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure when the interview was. He submitted the
Speaker 2: N four hundred and May twenty twenty five, okay, so
Speaker 2: Trump two, it would have been in late twenty twenty five. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this was at least within the last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was some of those N four hundreds
Speaker 3: thing forever now totally. It's kind of interesting, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm just wondering to what extent previously, I don't actually know,
Speaker 3: to an extent previously USCIS would like refer people for prosecution.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is that is a good question.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, wait wait wait no, here here here. August
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, okay, was when he was interviewed, according
Speaker 2: to the criminal.
Speaker 3: Complaint relativity first turnaround. Yeah, I wonder if that's just
Speaker 3: a part of the country he's in, or whether that
Speaker 3: was because like they wanted to get in the office, right,
Speaker 3: And then I had to clarify or detain him because
Speaker 3: he had voted.
Speaker 2: And then in October USCIS denied the application due to
Speaker 2: a lawful acts of voting in the twenty twenty and
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four elections and the false statement on the end.
Speaker 2: Four hundred.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We will take an ad break here and then talk
Speaker 2: about the three other cases after these messages. All right,
Speaker 2: we are back. Iden Koresh, forty three years old, is
Speaker 2: a Green Card holder who immigrated from Israel on a
Speaker 2: B two visa in twenty fifteen. In twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: Koresh allegedly registered to vote in New Jersey, asserting he
Speaker 2: was a US CITZ and voted in person in the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two midterm election. Grash later submitted an N
Speaker 2: four hundred and twenty twenty five based on his charges.
Speaker 2: I believe his citizenship was granted because he's charged with
Speaker 2: voting by an alien in a federal election and procurement
Speaker 2: of citizenship or naturalization unlawfully. A lot of these criminal
Speaker 2: complaints are quite short, around seven pages, okay. Jascynthic Zoom
Speaker 2: is a seventy year old Green Card holder who's lived
Speaker 2: in the US since two thousand after emigrating from Jamaica.
Speaker 2: She allegedly registered to vote in twenty eighteen and voted
Speaker 2: by mail in the twenty twenty general election. She's submitted
Speaker 2: in N four hundred and twenty twenty one and was
Speaker 2: granted citizenship based on what the DOJ is calling false statements.
Speaker 2: She's charged with two counts of false statements in relation
Speaker 2: to naturalization.
Speaker 3: Two counts would be I guess, registering to vote and voting.
Speaker 2: She's, oddly enough, one of the ones who's not actually
Speaker 2: charged with voting in a federal election. She's just charged
Speaker 2: with two false statements. This is I think, one in
Speaker 2: the interview, the other on the end four hundred.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, that caind of makes sense to Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's interesting they didn't charge Maybe, like I guess, they're
Speaker 3: like eyes on the prize, trying to denaturalize someone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but like a big part of the
Speaker 2: FBI's messaging in this is, you know, we found people
Speaker 2: who are illegally voted, but half of the people here
Speaker 2: aren't actually charged with that, and I don't quite know why.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's the erectally possible the charges could be added later,
Speaker 2: but at least in the original criminal complaints issued when
Speaker 2: DJ made announcement, eg Zoom is not actually charged with voting,
Speaker 2: even though even though the criminal complaint says that she did,
Speaker 2: but it's not, it's not one of the charges.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the normal pattern with federal charges is to have
Speaker 3: a lot of charges and like most of these federal
Speaker 3: cases will end in plea bargains, right because the exposure
Speaker 3: is so high. So yeah, it's interesting that that's not
Speaker 3: there when normally the patents to put as much as
Speaker 3: you can in front of the person so that you
Speaker 3: end up with the plea vargain.
Speaker 2: This last guy is also not charged with illegally voting
Speaker 2: in a federal election, being a done. Vig is a
Speaker 2: thirty three year old Green Card holder who immigrated from
Speaker 2: India in twenty twelve. He's alleged to a registered to
Speaker 2: vote in twenty sixteen and subsequently voted in person for
Speaker 2: the twenty sixteen general election and then by mail in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Vig later submitted an end four hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, but he only faces one charge, procurement
Speaker 2: of citizenship or naturalization unlawfully. So again, a lot of
Speaker 2: these charges, even even though the criminal complaints allege a
Speaker 2: lot of the same stuff, the actual charges very greatly
Speaker 2: and it's it is unclear why exactly that.
Speaker 3: Is, Yeah, I think different. They're all in New Jersey,
Speaker 3: all New Jersey, say same year, say attorney. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's interesting. It'll be interesting to follow those cases
Speaker 3: as well. Like I know, like I said that they
Speaker 3: have some sort of denaturalization targets, so whether they're just
Speaker 3: focusing their energies on that. It could be a case.
Speaker 3: So it could be something to do with the specifics
Speaker 3: of that crime that I just don't know about. Voting
Speaker 3: will not assitis in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there could be some prosecutorial reason that they aren't
Speaker 2: pursuing it in certain cases but are in others. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And they're all alleged to voted in federal elections, right,
Speaker 3: that's yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, in at least one federal election, either presidential
Speaker 2: general election or midterm general election. Yeah. And New Jersey
Speaker 2: does not have like local election voting for non citizens. Yeah.
Speaker 2: A few days before Patel announced the imminent arrests on
Speaker 2: Fox News, the Department of Justice sent a letter to
Speaker 2: the chief election official for Wayne County, Michigan, demanding Wayne
Speaker 2: County hand over all ballots from the twenty twenty four election.
Speaker 2: The letter said that DOJ and its Civil Rights Division
Speaker 2: is authorized to investigate and prosecute individuals who may have
Speaker 2: registered to vote or voted in violation of US law.
Speaker 2: The letter included three instances of recorded allegations and convictions
Speaker 2: in Wayne County in quote unquote recent years related to
Speaker 2: voting fraud. This pushed by the DOJ to get their
Speaker 2: hands on ballots or voter rolls is part of a
Speaker 2: much larger pattern. In January, during Operation Metro Surge in Minneapolis,
Speaker 2: one of the demands from now former Attorney General Pambondi
Speaker 2: during negotiations with Governor Tim Walls was for the DOJ
Speaker 2: to be granted access to the state of Minnesota's voter
Speaker 2: rolls quote to confirm that Minnesota's voter registration practices comply
Speaker 2: with federal law unquote. Trump's DOJ has actually sued over
Speaker 2: thirty states for not complying with requests to gain access
Speaker 2: to their voter roles. Cases against Arizona, Massachusetts, Rhode Island
Speaker 2: have been dismissed, as have cases in California, Michigan, and Oregon,
Speaker 2: but the DOJ is appealing those rulings. At least fifteen
Speaker 2: states have complied or since they will comply with quests
Speaker 2: by handing over voter registration lists, including driver's license and
Speaker 2: social security numbers. These are largely red states Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nebraska, Ohio, Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, and Wyoming. In a
Speaker 2: March hearing in the case against Rhode Island to gain
Speaker 2: access to their voter rules, Eric Neff, the acting chief
Speaker 2: of the Voting Section of the Civil Rights Division of
Speaker 2: the DOJ, said that after receiving the voter roles quote,
Speaker 2: our intention is to run this against DHS's SAVE database unquote.
Speaker 2: That's the systematic Alien Verification for entitlements database exchange. Don't
Speaker 2: have briefly exxplain what the database is and how it's used.
Speaker 3: In very basic terms, it is a database, so you
Speaker 3: have like E verified. Right will be an example of
Speaker 3: a database that employers can use to check if somebody
Speaker 3: is able to accept employment legally. In the United States.
Speaker 3: SAVE is there for government agencies, not individuals, and they
Speaker 3: should be able to determine whether or not somebody is
Speaker 3: eligible for certain benefits. Right. There are things called public
Speaker 3: charge rules. If people want a more in depth explanation
Speaker 3: of public charge rules. You can scroll all the way
Speaker 3: back to November twenty twenty four, when I made a
Speaker 3: podcast about these things. We looked at a number of
Speaker 3: tools that the Trump administration might use to try and
Speaker 3: deport andtly naturalize people in a podcast episode back then.
Speaker 3: The problem with these databases is they're not very good.
Speaker 3: The most obvious and amusing examples of everifying not being
Speaker 3: very good are when state agencies hire cops who DHS
Speaker 3: claims are not legally able to work in the United States,
Speaker 3: and then the state agencies point out that they used everify,
Speaker 3: which is DHS's own tool for verifying, and then everyone
Speaker 3: gets quiet and wonder, it's like a goo screwed up here, right,
Speaker 3: because they have done their obligation right, large employers have
Speaker 3: to use you verify. The same is true, I imagine
Speaker 3: for save right in that it is not a database
Speaker 3: which is perfect, and so running one against the other.
Speaker 3: Also that the phrase running here is doing a lot
Speaker 3: of work, right, Like are they going to look for
Speaker 3: name matches? Are they going to look for social Security
Speaker 3: number or driver's license matches? Certain non citizens will have
Speaker 3: what's called an I T I N on SSN. There
Speaker 3: are a lot of ways which this could go horribly wrong.
Speaker 3: There's a reason that these two databases are not normally combined.
Speaker 3: Not to mention the fact that this provides a really
Speaker 3: large disincentive for people a signing up for benefits, right,
Speaker 3: which we've already seen just the rhetoric from the Trump
Speaker 3: administration in the campaign, provided a disincentive for people accessing benefits,
Speaker 3: but also for people registering to vote, right, Like, Yeah,
Speaker 3: people who are of diaspora communities, whether or not they
Speaker 3: are citizens, will be concerned about this, Like, and that
Speaker 3: is not a that is not an unconscious side effect,
Speaker 3: I'm sure, right, And that is something that they are
Speaker 3: extremely aware of as they go forward doing this.
Speaker 2: The Court raised concerns about SAVE and said that there
Speaker 2: has been reporting of people being falsely identified as non
Speaker 2: citizens in SAVES database, but Eric Neff responded that according
Speaker 2: to the DHS, the accuracy rate of the SAVE database
Speaker 2: is one hundred percent. So I'm sure that's fine. You
Speaker 2: it's just no database of the skill. No, that's just
Speaker 2: mathematically impossible, Like it's yeah, ninety nine percent and one
Speaker 2: dred percent are like vastly vastly different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But It's worth noting that, like in Trump's one
Speaker 3: of his early executive orders, like like Spring of twenty five,
Speaker 3: the one about preserving the integrity of American elections, part
Speaker 3: of what he asks them to do there was to
Speaker 3: overhaul SAVE and make it like a a single source
Speaker 3: citizenship verification yeah database, which it is not, and it
Speaker 3: is still not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's there's there that is that push from
Speaker 2: the executive order a few months ago to create like
Speaker 2: state citizenship lists.
Speaker 3: M hmm. Yeah. They've tried to go a number of
Speaker 3: ways about this, right. They also the fall of last
Speaker 3: year they integrated SAVE with the with the passport database.
Speaker 3: I think most people will be aware that there are
Speaker 3: millions of American citizens who don't have passports for instance. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: They've added some other stuff, right, But the idea here
Speaker 3: is to create like and it should worry everyone, right, like,
Speaker 3: this is a citizenship database that they will then attempt
Speaker 3: to combine with their biometric databases. I'm sure. And we've
Speaker 3: seen this with like the the name of the android
Speaker 3: app is eluding me. Now there's an Android app that
Speaker 3: Ice officers have which is supposed to verify someone's status
Speaker 3: based on the facial recognition scan. We know it doesn't
Speaker 3: work because there was one, for example, one lady who
Speaker 3: was scanned twice. Each result returned it different. Yeah, neither
Speaker 3: of which was her. This stuff is extremely dangerous for anyone, right,
Speaker 3: Like you'd be a citizen or a non cenizen. The
Speaker 3: idea that they're going to check you against like the
Speaker 3: list of legit Americans should.
Speaker 2: Really worry people. Yeah, and unable to pass the Save
Speaker 2: Act in Congress, not to be confused for the same database,
Speaker 2: though they are slightly related. Yeah, but unable to pass
Speaker 2: that in Congress. Trump signed executive order last March temping
Speaker 2: to force the Postal Service to not deliver mail in
Speaker 2: ballots if the voter on the ballot does not appear
Speaker 2: on this newly created list of pre approved voters using
Speaker 2: this state citizen list. Yeah, we'll see if that actually
Speaker 2: goes through. But that's it's another example of them, you know,
Speaker 2: trying to trying to use state citizenship lists to just
Speaker 2: crack down on the number of people that are able
Speaker 2: to vote.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can all imagine that this will have different
Speaker 3: impacts across different demographics, right, and like that that is
Speaker 3: very much not accidental.
Speaker 2: And the last thing for the voter roles in Fulton Keunty, Georgia,
Speaker 2: and Maracopa County, Arizona, the federal government has simply seized
Speaker 2: voting records. In Arizona, the FBI successfully subpoenaed twenty twenty
Speaker 2: election records from Maricopa County, and in Georgia, the FBI
Speaker 2: raided an election warehouse in January after dubiously obtaining a
Speaker 2: search warrant. Yeah. Then on May sixth, a federal judge
Speaker 2: ruled that the federal government can keep the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: election materials that were seized in that raid, even if
Speaker 2: quote the seizure in this case was certainly not perfect unquote.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Maricopa County's an interesting one, right, but I think
Speaker 3: it's part of a grand jury investigation. Yes, yeah, I
Speaker 3: can remember at the time and the twenty twenty election,
Speaker 3: like Maricopa County's results being somehow contentious.
Speaker 2: The State Center did their own investigation into that, like
Speaker 2: several entities have. Right, the details of that investigation is
Speaker 2: in part what was the target of the grand jury subpoena.
Speaker 3: Okay, not so much Maricopa County, but a number of
Speaker 3: Arizona counties were really important in the results of the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty election. Right, there was a massive effort for turnout.
Speaker 3: I personally know people in indigenous communities who literally traveled
Speaker 3: for the entire day to vote. The Indigenous turnout, especially
Speaker 3: Indigenous women in Arizona, really did make a big difference
Speaker 3: in the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 2: And Americopa County is the like by population, the biggest county.
Speaker 3: Maricopa County's fast A number of other like Arizona counties,
Speaker 3: like outside of a Maricopa were also really pivotal in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty election. It's not surprising to see those ones
Speaker 3: being tied. Like it wasn't surprising to me the time
Speaker 3: to see them being targeted, you know. Yeah, marracop is
Speaker 3: what Phoenix is, just for people to put it on
Speaker 3: the map. Famous for having really great law enforcement over
Speaker 3: the years, Joe Opio was aka do you sheriff? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh yes, ah, last from the past.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, not so often. Isn't he like doing some
Speaker 3: running for office or something? I thought he was he
Speaker 3: was for a bit. I have not thought of Joe
Speaker 3: Opio for a few years though. What a life to lead. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's been a while. Wow, Joe Opio born in nineteen
Speaker 3: thirty two.
Speaker 2: That's that's wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he can't be even for the United States even
Speaker 3: a little.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, Trump does continue to truth claims about
Speaker 2: Fulton County on his On his account of a few
Speaker 2: nights ago, he put out a video of the action
Speaker 2: board that he was edited to appear as if it
Speaker 2: was implying that there was voter fraud or that the
Speaker 2: elections were conducted improperly, and when that was not what
Speaker 2: the video is actually actually showing. Yeah, but he is
Speaker 2: his truth a lot after the raid to watch out
Speaker 2: for the results of the of the Fulton County election
Speaker 2: raid and now federal judges letting the fence keep the
Speaker 2: materials that they seized, even if it was in the
Speaker 2: judge's own words, certainly not perfect.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Fulton County plays a load bearing role
Speaker 3: in the in margus understanding of the twenty twenty election, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Trumps so that is where he got the
Speaker 2: mugshot taken right like this is like he is, oh,
Speaker 2: I've forgotten about that personal vendetta against Fulton County.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, that totally makes sense. Uppie, by the way,
Speaker 3: did run for mayor of Fountain Hills in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah, just eight years before it's under
Speaker 3: its birthday.
Speaker 2: What a country. Oh, that's incredible he did.
Speaker 3: He received whopping one and twenty seven votes in the
Speaker 3: primary election. It's a thousand people who thought the best
Speaker 3: hope we have is someone who is a peaching no
Speaker 3: sheriff Joe at nearly a century of age. Remarkable.
Speaker 2: Well, with age comes wisdom, Yeah, up to a point
Speaker 2: that doesn't for us today at a good half of
Speaker 2: the year. We will keep a lookout for any more
Speaker 2: any more arrests by Patel, who claims to have all
Speaker 2: the evidence he needs, even though the only arrests so
Speaker 2: far is just a handful of people from New Jersey
Speaker 2: and then I think one other person from Pennsylvania. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was arrested like in March. Again, because the actual
Speaker 2: number of voter fraund this country is it's minimal accord
Speaker 2: according to all investigations we've seen so far, very low.
Speaker 3: It's statistically insignificant.
Speaker 2: Yes, very low, to the point where it's statistically insignificant.
Speaker 2: I think if you're going to be considered of an
Speaker 2: election rigging, looking at the way that partisan gerrymandering has
Speaker 2: been completely completely allowed to go through and gerrymandering over
Speaker 2: districts that were protected by the Voting Rights Act. Look
Speaker 2: at what that is.
Speaker 3: Polling places are look at the electoral college exists to
Speaker 3: be in between the popular vote and the result of
Speaker 3: the of the election. Right, there are there are many
Speaker 3: things which distort the will of the people. Non citizens
Speaker 3: voting is not statistically significant in that, like, it's just not.
Speaker 3: But if this will have a re electoral outcome, or
Speaker 3: is I guess because it will dissuade people from voting.
Speaker 3: It will dissuade people who have become US citizens from voting,
Speaker 3: It will dissuade people who were born as US citizens.
Speaker 2: And they could be pursuing charges against election officials in
Speaker 2: some of these states. Yeah, like that is part of
Speaker 2: trying to seize these these ballots and voter roles. Is
Speaker 2: not just to charge the possibly four people who may
Speaker 2: have illegally voted, but then trying to put some of
Speaker 2: the blame on election officials themselves. And yeah, and that
Speaker 2: is a motive of intimidation is certainly part of the
Speaker 2: goal here. That's written explicitly in some of these executive
Speaker 2: orders threatening charges against US officials for allowing certain mail
Speaker 2: in votes to be to be counted when the Trump
Speaker 2: administration claims that they should not be.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the nascence of this whole thing is
Speaker 3: Trump's cools to electoral officials in Georgia, right, like the
Speaker 3: Fulton County, the whole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fine, l find those votes.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that is where it all began.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll keep up on this as it develops
Speaker 2: leading into the midterm election. But bye bye for now.
Speaker 3: But early vote, often.
Speaker 2: Vote early vote often.
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