1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: The day of nine eleven, I was actually off and 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: had to go in my husband's also reporter. We were 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: both working in the National Press Building. The rumors were 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: that the Press building was also under attack, and so 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: that was pretty scary, thinking, you know, we could be 6 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: leaving our kids orphans. Imagine having the kind of job 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: where you always have to run toward rather than away 8 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: from danger. That's the kind of job Karen Macpherson had 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: on nine eleven. But that day changed everything for Karen. 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: First Story in a Moment. 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Brought to you by 39 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: Express Employment Professionals. I'm Steve Mencher. Karen Macpherson wanted to 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: be a journalist her whole life, and she had found 41 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: steady and meaningful work in that profession until the day 42 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: she realized there was one thing more important than her 43 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: success in the newspaper business. But we're getting ahead of 44 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: the story, which starts ironically, as you'll see, with a 45 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: children's book called Harriet the Spy. Harriet the Spy had 46 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: a very interesting life, taking notes and spying on her 47 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: neighbors and friends, and then sort of writing things up, 48 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: and she at one point ends up being part of 49 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: the newspaper at her school. And I thought, wow, that's 50 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: so interesting. And I had thought that I wanted to 51 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: be a writer, and my mother, ever practical, would say, 52 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: you know, you need to think of something kind of 53 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: writing if you were interested in writing that you can 54 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: make a living from. And I thought, well, in this book, 55 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: there's this new paper and now she's just it's just 56 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: a school newspaper. But that started me thinking about newspapers 57 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: in general. So it was about then that I started 58 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: thinking that I might want to be a newspaper reporter. 59 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: Talking about her work got Karen thinking about her dad's career. 60 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: She imagined that his parents had a path picked out 61 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: for him. He was a rather wild and crazy person. 62 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: He went to Catholic high school and was destined by 63 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: his parents that they decided he would be the priest. 64 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: His older brother was going to be the doctor. To 65 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: be a priest, he'd have to get through seminary and 66 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: it wasn't very long before he was kicked out for 67 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: drinking and women. So so I think the army and 68 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: the para troops particularly was a good place for my 69 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: dad because you can do that kind of sort of 70 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: wild and crazy stuff, but it's for the army unless 71 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: it's sanctioned. My dad died very young at age fifty two, 72 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: and towards the end of his life he really came 73 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: to the conclusion that he really want to be doing 74 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: something different. So he actually changed careers at the end 75 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: of his life and he became a teacher, high school teacher. Now, 76 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: tell me about your mom. Did she work outside the home, 77 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: Did you have a profession? Did she go to school 78 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: for something in particular? Yes, my mom actually was one 79 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: of the original people working, at least in my neighborhood, 80 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: working outside the home. She at one time she was 81 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: the only one working out, the only mom working outside 82 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: the home. M My mother had taken one year off 83 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: when I was born, and my father basically said, you 84 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: need to go back to work. My mother was a 85 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: teacher and she started she loved teaching high school, but um, 86 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: as she had me and then later my sister, she 87 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: ended up teaching kindergarten for a while because it was 88 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: really no daycare near us because most moms were home. 89 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: If your mom was the only one working outside the home, 90 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: did the other wives look at her as scance or 91 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: do you have any sense of any of that? Oh? Yeah, definitely. 92 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: The My mom was regarded as sort of an oddity, 93 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: and she was a little hard for I think it 94 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: was hard for her. It was a little hard for me. 95 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: And then later some of the women in that neighborhood 96 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: started going out to work for pay, and they said, 97 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: wasn't like they weren't working, They just were working in 98 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: the house, and certainly that was regarded as as uh, 99 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, what women should do at that time. As 100 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: Karen went through school, first high school, then college, she 101 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: was on the path to becoming a journalist, something she'd 102 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: longed for since her Harriet the Spy days. Her path 103 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: was clear. From Trinity College in Washington, d C. She'd 104 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: go to the most respected journalism school in the country, 105 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: Columbia University. But there was one small problem. There was 106 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: a lot of competition to get in and in fact, 107 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: um I missed this sort of one step, and that 108 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: when I was in college, that's when the Watergate hearings 109 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: were held, and there was Bernstein and Woodward and everybody 110 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: wanted to be a reporter. Carl and I were on 111 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: the Metropolitan staff, and when we were first told that 112 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: looks like the dimensions of this or greater, that there 113 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: had been wired tapping, maybe lives were in danger. Carl said, 114 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: We've got to go see Bradley skip the chain of 115 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: command totally. And you called him it at home. We 116 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: have to come see you. That's Bob Woodward talking about 117 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: Watergate and his work with Carl Bernstein at an event 118 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: commemorating the thirty fifth anniversary of the film All the 119 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: President's Men. The discussion took place at the Harry Ransom Center, 120 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: University of Texas. Bradley is Ben Bradley at the time, 121 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: the executive editor of the Washington Post. And so we 122 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: go to his house and he comes to the door 123 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: and his jammies or bathroom or something, and then we say, 124 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: you can't, we can't talk in the house. We have to. 125 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: We're totally crazy, right, And it was, you know, in 126 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: the middle of the night, and you're gonna take me 127 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: out on a lot of my underwear, and you know, 128 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: you kind of think, is he going to call the 129 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: guys with the white coats to have these guys hauled off? 130 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: And we start, we tell him that this is all 131 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: going to explode, you know. The rest, Ben Bradley and 132 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: Post owner Katherine Graham backed the reporting duo the Watergate 133 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: hearing's deep throat. Suddenly it was as if everyone was 134 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: heeding the lessons of Harriet the Spy, wanting to write 135 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: things down and change the world. So my little clear 136 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: path of me going into Columbia was almost disrupted because 137 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: I remember the Dean of students at Columbia saying to 138 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: me when I interviewed with him that while you certainly 139 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: would be a perfect candidate, but now we're thinking about 140 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: letting people have never had any interest in journalism more 141 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: suddenly inspired because we feel like that's important too. And 142 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: I remember just being crestfallen that that might, like somebody 143 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: like that might take a place for me when I 144 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: really had wanted this all, you know, for all these years. 145 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: But it was competition for sure. Now let's talk a 146 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: little bit more about Watergate, because it must have inspired 147 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: you as well. There is a generation of reporters, unfortunately 148 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: they're getting well, for better or worse, they're getting a 149 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: little older now who were impelled to go into journalism 150 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: by water Gate. I shall resign the presidency effective at 151 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: noon tomorrow. Vice President for will be sworn in as 152 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: president at that hour. In this office, you know, kids 153 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: throw around the word my kids awesome all the time, 154 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: which and I remember feeling this incredible awe that I 155 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: will not be here. And Bob and I were in 156 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: the office and we watched that speech, and then Catherine 157 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: handed out blowney sandwiches. Those who wanted to remember Catherine 158 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: the first thing, Katherine Graham came downstairs and she said, 159 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: no floating. Let me tell you there was no reason 160 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: to gloat. It was a moment of such awe that 161 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: that that the system, the system had worked, and we 162 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: had been a part of that working. Uh, and the 163 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: right thing had happened. You know. Woodward Bernstein became kind 164 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: of heroes. But what specifically about what they did do 165 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: you think made people want to go into the newspaper business. 166 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: People found that there was a way of truth telling 167 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: that they hadn't really seen before. I think that for 168 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: many people, and I would say myself included, it was 169 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: exciting to see that something you wrote could actually make 170 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: this kind of thing happen, and all this drama and 171 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: you know, some tragedy and it all, it's just it's 172 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: just compelling, uh, in that way, the way that the 173 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: story came about. And I for me, because I was 174 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: already in wash in d C, I could go to 175 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: some of the hearings and in fact, with some teachers blessings, 176 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 1: they would say, let's just skip class and head off 177 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: to the hearings. You could hang out in the back 178 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: of the room whatever. And to see that up close 179 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: and in person was was pretty amazing, frankly. And then 180 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: the personalities, for me, the personalities was were very interested. 181 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: Why did somebody you know, want to do what they 182 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: did in Watergate? And then how did somebody like Burnsteing 183 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: Woodward who in some ways just sort of fell into 184 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: a lot of this is almost, i don't know, like 185 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: a Greek drama that was happening right in front of us. 186 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: So I think that really helped um interest. A lot 187 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: of people are kind of eleven and level three five girl. 188 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: If Watergate brought tons of people into journalism. The other 189 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: headline story of Karen's generation happened on September eleventh, two 190 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: thousand one. Everything on their plane that's like, can you 191 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: look at your window right now? Can you see God 192 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: about four thousands peekball five fearful right now? Looks like 193 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: he's yeah, okay, really what this is what I foresee 194 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: that we probably need to do. We need to talk 195 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: to a We need to tell them if this stuff 196 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: is gonna keep on going, we need to take those fighters, 197 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: put them over Manhattan. There's a part of the black smoke. 198 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: And in the last position, I gave you good evening. Today, 199 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: our fellow citizens, our way of life, our very freedom 200 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: came under attack in a series of deliberate and deadly 201 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: terrorist acts. Karen Macpherson was on the job that day 202 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: and on September twelve to my editors said, I want 203 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: what they wanted me to go into the Pentagon and 204 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: get the story in there. So quit. The metro into 205 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: the Pentagon was closed, so we had to take a 206 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: bus to the outskirts of the Pentagon. And as I 207 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: was walking from the bus to the through the parking lot, 208 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: people were running, dozens of people running towards me away 209 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: from the Pentagon because it was a rumor again that 210 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: it was under attack, and it was sort of like, 211 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: at that moment, I thought, you know, I'm not really 212 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: sure why I'm doing this. There are hundreds, if not 213 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: thousands of journalists who are writing the same story right 214 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: now about nine eleven, and why is it that I 215 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: should be jeopardizing my family for this? And I also 216 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: the other part of this is in fairness to my employers. 217 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: If you are a reporter and you were really committed, 218 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: you run towards danger. That's the nature of the business. 219 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: And I decided I just really didn't want to do 220 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: that anymore. It wasn't important to me to do that anymore. 221 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: So that's when I started thinking about it um and 222 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: that day, I'll just say it was a very eerie 223 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: experience because I did end up obviously that was a 224 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: false rumor, and I did go into the Pentagon and 225 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: where I had been it's like a city over there, 226 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: and I was wandering around quarters where there was no one, 227 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: no one, and it was it was an eerie feeling. 228 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: So that sort of added to my feeling that I'm just, 229 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: you know, I just don't think I should be here 230 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: now let's unpack that just a little bit. Uh, you're off, 231 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: it's it's your non eleven, it's the day you're not working. 232 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: You how did you first get news that there were 233 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: these airplanes crashing into the World Trade Center. Well, my 234 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: husband was also a reporter, and he was at work 235 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: and he said he called me and said, turn on 236 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: the television and something awful is happening. And that's how 237 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: I first saw. And then my beer chief called and said, 238 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: we need you in here. You say you didn't really 239 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: have a choice, But you did have a choice, didn't you. 240 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you loved your job. You were used 241 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: to responding, you were used to that person telling you 242 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: you know what you needed to do, um, but you 243 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: did have a choice. I guess I had a choice, 244 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: but I didn't feel like I had a choice because 245 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: my job was the one that we had were all 246 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: on my job, my health benefits on for my job, 247 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: and I wasn't sure, you know what would happen if 248 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: I didn't go in. And you know, I just I 249 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: think in an emergency like that, you just think, Okay, 250 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: I'll go in. And I knew that we did have 251 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: a good friend who would take care of the kids 252 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: and would make sure that they did not see the 253 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: things on TV. And I think, you know, would would 254 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: comfort them and would be with them. So I wasn't 255 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: too worried about the kids at that point. I was 256 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: worried about the press building thing. And before I went 257 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: into the press building, I did understand. I did hear 258 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: from somebody just outside that that had been a rumor, 259 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: so I felt okay about going in. But still the 260 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: adrenaline must have kicked in at some point, and also, 261 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: you know, the journalist part of you must have kicked 262 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: in and said, I have this job to do. This 263 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: is obviously the biggest story of my lifetime. Definitely, I mean, 264 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: I think that was definitely part of it. You're right, 265 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: the adrenaline does kick in, and of course, you know 266 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: what was heartbreaking. I mean, it was so hard to 267 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: cover because you know, my story is nothing compared to 268 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: what people whose loved ones died, and what's the suffering 269 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: that happened that day. It's incredible to think of, you know, 270 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: and I think you know, you just you just in 271 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: a way of responding to it as a reporter, you 272 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: just your only response is basically to try to bring 273 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: out the story and maybe hope it doesn't happen again. 274 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: What did you write that day? What was what was 275 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: important to the folks that you were writing for that day? 276 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: Basically was an atmospheric piece. I talked to people who 277 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: were still working there, um, you know. And then it 278 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: was also I remember there was an element there's with daycare, uh, 279 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: Pentagon daycare, and there was I remember trying to find 280 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: more information about that. I don't think I was able 281 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: to find too much information about that, but luckily that 282 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: wasn't not in the line of attack. Good Morning in 283 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: different languages, you see if you can hear me with 284 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: your ears. Okay, here we go one to three. Good morning. 285 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: So that was English. Let's try Spanish. Here we go 286 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: one to three. Let's try French, my other language. We're 287 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: going to take a short break, and when we return, 288 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: Karen's decision to go back to school, her new career, 289 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: how it meshes with everything she's done up until now, 290 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: and how this chapter of her life is different from 291 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: the one that put her in harm's way. You're listening 292 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: to On the Job from Hired to Retired, brought to 293 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: you by Express Employment prof Stionals. 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Watch 303 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: it now at Express pros dot com slash job Genius. 304 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back to on the Job from Hired to Retired, 305 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: brought to you by Express Employment Professionals. Karen Macpherson is 306 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: now the children's librarian at the Tacoma Park, Maryland Public Library. 307 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: Her decision to try a new career was accelerated by 308 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: the feeling that her job as reporter put her in 309 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: danger sometimes and that her role as a member of 310 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: her family was more important than the glory of continuing 311 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 1: to face that potential danger. In order to make the switch, 312 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: she needed to go back to school. It took me 313 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: five and a half years to get my master's degree, 314 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: which is a long time. Um, I had to get 315 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: permission to go for that last half of a year 316 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: because you are supposed to have gotten your degree by 317 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: five years. But they did give me permission because I 318 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: just needed to take one more class. So now, what 319 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: are one or two of the classes that that you 320 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: did take, especially ones that might have been of the 321 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: highest interest for you, right, Okay, Well I have to 322 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 1: tell you. When I first and like many people who 323 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: go to library school, at first you're thinking, oh, books 324 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: and all that, but it's these days it's mostly technology. 325 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: It's it's called information studies information science. But the classes 326 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: I like the best of course where I took a 327 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: class and Children's Nature that was an elective. I took 328 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: a class in Young Adult Literature, another elective, and then 329 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: the one that I when I switched tracks part way through, uh, 330 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: it was Children's Services in the Public Library, And that 331 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: was probably the most important class I took because it's 332 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: really related directly to what I do. Now. When you're 333 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: the milkshake, you go, you news he a little milk, 334 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: poor milk, and you take a little cream or some 335 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: cream easter. Eventually, Karen figured out where her main interests 336 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: were and she headed down the path she's on now. Guys, ready, 337 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: nip shake, shake, shake up, Shake up. Now, just to 338 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: look backwards over your shoulder a little bit. The the 339 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: years in which this is happening, and starting with your 340 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: interest in going through nine eleven up to the current time, 341 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: approximately I've read sixty of newspaper jobs in the country 342 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: went away. Yes, And so was that any part of 343 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: your decision making process that looking around and thinking that 344 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: this is not a growth opportunity here? It was starting 345 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: to be as I as I was continuing through school, 346 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: but more towards the end of it, because I guess 347 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: I always felt that, well, I could get a job 348 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: because of all the experience I had as a newspaper reporter. 349 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: But you know, it turned out that, you know, my 350 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: job didn't go away, and the jobs were not that 351 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: easy to as a journalist, and we're not that easy 352 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: to get running right. Circle time is a very different 353 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: thing than story time. Circle time is when you have 354 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: a group of kids, usually a pretty large group of 355 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: kids and adults, and the kids are anywhere from birth 356 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: through age five live, so you don't there's no way 357 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: if you're having fifty or sixty kids and adults in 358 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: a space. There's no way that you can have everybody 359 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: sit and quietly read books. A book that's going to 360 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: work for everybody, it's just not going to happen. So 361 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: the idea of circle time is that you are doing 362 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: a lot of kinesthetic learning with your body, and you're 363 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: learning rhymes, and you're doing finger plays and songs and 364 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: that is all very valid ways to learn um early 365 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: literacy concepts and sort of building on that even a baby. 366 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 1: You're doing this and they are getting your getting your 367 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: baby ready to read. We know that now from the 368 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: brain research SA so several times becomes it's so very 369 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: unity building thing. But we are also learning and helping 370 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: our kids get ready for reading. And it's not just 371 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: the kids who are learning. The adults are learning how 372 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: to do this kind of thing with their child or 373 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: the children they care for. We have a number of 374 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: caregivers to come to circle time as well. When I 375 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: first started this job, I really didn't quite understand how 376 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: much of a performer I had to be. I mean, 377 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying, I dance, I speak, you know, I it's 378 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: a it's a whole thing which I was used to 379 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: being a reporter and asking people questions and they were 380 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: the performer basically in that sense. And here I am 381 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: now up on the stage whatever, and I become a 382 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: public persona because as as children's librarians are everywhere in 383 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: any community, there they be. You know, you walk down 384 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: the street and you see little kids and they're like, oh, 385 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: there's miss Santo. Yeah, you are of you are a 386 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: public persona. So when you're most philosophical, how do you 387 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: how do you see your role? Well? I guess I 388 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: see my role as sort of a guide or a 389 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: shepherd perhaps maybe sort of shepherding both the kids, uh 390 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: and at first kids in their adults they're grown ups, um. 391 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: And then later on more the kids you know, into 392 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,239 Speaker 1: um sort of the world of books, the world of 393 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: ideas uh, and then sort of empowering them to sort 394 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: of become their best person out in the world and 395 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: and did to grow. I feel like it's a gift 396 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: uh and a huge responsibility that to be if you 397 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: do it right, I mean, you can really have have 398 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: an impact on the next generation. There is he following me, 399 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Okay, now do you have a timeline 400 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: about retire from this role? I know you live in 401 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: this community. Uh. Nine miles from the White House where 402 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: we're sitting, where all of the people in town who 403 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,959 Speaker 1: are have government jobs are starting to retire. Lots of friends, 404 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure, and other people that you know, what does 405 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: all of that look like for you? Well, you know, 406 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: I haven't. I have thought about it a little bit, 407 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: but I love my job so much. It's hard, you know, 408 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: I'm not. I still have a few years before turning 409 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: sixty five, and I feel like, I feel that I 410 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: really enjoy it so much that I don't want to stop. 411 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: I do see a lot of my friends who have 412 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: worked in the same career for so many years. They're 413 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: tired and they're ready to retire. But I actually had 414 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: that sort of ten years, got to change careers, and 415 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: that has given sort of new life to my interest 416 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: in my you know, in what I'm doing. At the 417 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: same time, I realized, you know, we all have a 418 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: finite amount of time here on the earth, and it's like, well, 419 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to miss my opportunity to have some 420 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: time totally to myself with my husband and family and 421 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,239 Speaker 1: travel and do things like that. So I'm still it's 422 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: still in the future, so I'm still very much weighing 423 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: you know what I would do, But I feel like 424 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,479 Speaker 1: I have to be smart and think about some kind 425 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: of an end date at some point, because I do 426 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 1: feel like I might run out of time before that. 427 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: What would you do if the boss came in today 428 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: and said she's gotten some bad news from the city council. Uh, 429 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: we're not really able to have a children's librarian anymore. 430 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: What would you do? Wow? I guess I would say. 431 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: I would say, let's let's figure out how we can 432 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: convince them otherwise. Give me some advice. I'm someone who 433 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: has had a career. I'm in my forties maybe early fifties. 434 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: The career I have, I realize, is not the exact 435 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 1: thing that I really want to be doing. How do 436 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: I get started going toward the light? You know, going 437 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: towards that place where you are at where where one 438 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 1: could say, God, she's really doing what she wants to do, 439 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: and I envy that, and that's what a great place 440 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: to be, right, I guess I would think about start 441 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: by thinking about what you like to do that that 442 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: gives you happiness and fulfillment that your job currently is not, 443 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: And so what's that? What is that? So? For me? 444 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: Way back when that was children's literally charted finding that 445 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: I was doing that as a sideline, so that was 446 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,239 Speaker 1: what and I like working with kids, So okay, so 447 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: what careers? What could you do with that? And start 448 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: sort of researching things you might work with a career 449 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: coach some I know some people who have done that recently, 450 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: and uh, then I guess I would start. Once you 451 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: decide what you're interested in, then start thinking about, well, okay, 452 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: how could I do that? What are the obstacles towards 453 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: doing it? For example, you know, having to still work 454 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: and go to school, and then see how you could 455 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: get past those obstacles, or at least get over those obstacles. 456 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: Also be willing to take help in any form from 457 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: your friends and family. Really, it does take a leige. 458 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: It took a village for me to get to change 459 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: careers to get this master's degree, and I, you know, 460 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: really looking at it. At first, I wasn't sure I 461 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: could do it. I was pretty daunted by the idea 462 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: of having to get another master's but with a family 463 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: and working. But you can do it if you. I 464 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: think you just need to accept help, and I also 465 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: do I think you have to be realistic about how 466 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: hard it may be. That's all for this edition of 467 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: I'm the Job from Hired to Retire, brought to you 468 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: by Express Employment Professionals. Find out more at Express prose 469 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: dot com. This podcast is produced by Steve Mencher for 470 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: Men's Media and Red Seat Ventures. Find us on I 471 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and iTunes, where we hope you'll leave a 472 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,719 Speaker 1: nice review that helps other folks find us. 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