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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast. We are back

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Speaker 2: with Harvey Kuberneck, author of many books including Turn Up

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Speaker 2: the Radio, Canyon of Dreams, Docs, Dot Rock, Jimmy Hendrix,

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Speaker 2: Voodoo Child, and a number of others. He is an

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Speaker 2: expert on the music world and is back with us

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Speaker 2: on Coast to Coast. Hey, Harvey, how you.

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Speaker 3: Been doing great? Just always delighted to be invited to

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Speaker 3: your program, and I know your listeners occasionally like to

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Speaker 3: take a little departure from area fifty one to Harvey

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Speaker 3: fifty one.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and we're going to do that. You're still out

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Speaker 2: there on the West Coast.

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Speaker 3: I sure am.

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Speaker 2: I'm in Saint Louis. But had I been back in

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles, we would have had you physically in the studio.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I sort of. I spent a lot

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Speaker 3: of time going by your studio in Sherman Oaks, California.

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Speaker 3: We'll do it in the future.

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Speaker 2: We will do that. Indeed, how did you get so

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Speaker 2: involved in music? Harvey?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's the question I'm asked a lot. A

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Speaker 3: part of it is geographically, you know, I'm a native

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Speaker 3: of Los Angeles. I'm born in I'm born literally in

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Speaker 3: East Hollywood on the corner of like Sunset and Alvarado,

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Speaker 3: overlooking the Hollywood One on one Freeway at the Queen

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Speaker 3: of Angels Hospital, and I start the journey there. And

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Speaker 3: at the time Los Angeles, and I don't think people

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Speaker 3: really realized that, although I certainly detail it in my

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Speaker 3: book Turn Up the Radio. You know, there were many

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Speaker 3: R and B radio stations in LA in the fifties,

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Speaker 3: way into the sixties. There were jazz radio stations. There

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Speaker 3: was so much music. It was a thriving, vibrant community.

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Speaker 3: You know, sorry, folks, it all wasn't New York City

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Speaker 3: and Chicago. And you're just inundated with even before the

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Speaker 3: transistor radio arrived. It's just blaring in front of you.

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Speaker 3: And then, you know, with my parents and my brother Kenneth,

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Speaker 3: I end up, you know, leaving like downtown Los Angeles

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Speaker 3: and I end up in Culver City right near MGM Studios,

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Speaker 3: and somehow end up in West Hollywood going to high

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Speaker 3: school all through the late sixties. So it's so in

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Speaker 3: front of me, and you know, maybe I've become this

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Speaker 3: It's just been part of my DNA.

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Speaker 2: Good for you. Did you ever know our old friend

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Speaker 3: No, I know we have a mutual friend in the

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Speaker 3: late Russ Reagan, but I didn't know the other guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was good. He did a great job. You

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Speaker 2: reminded me of you and just so excitable about the

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Speaker 2: music scene in the world and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's been my salvation, you know, you know, we

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Speaker 3: turned to music, you know, in happiness and decision making

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Speaker 3: situations just following you know, the Beach Boys. God only knows,

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Speaker 3: you know, I've been privileged to know Brian Wilson for

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Speaker 3: half a century. He must have done twelve interviews with him,

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Speaker 3: and I even, I mean, I've been fortunate. I was

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Speaker 3: able to say, Brian, what is it about? God only knows?

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Speaker 3: What is it? Why does it still impact fifty seven

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Speaker 3: years after you did it? And he'd say something like,

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Speaker 3: when I first did it, I was wondering would radio

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Speaker 3: ever play a song that had God in the title?

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Speaker 3: And then here I am being greeted or following the

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Speaker 3: declaration as you're using it as interstitial music. But think

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Speaker 3: about him, you know, having concerns almost two thirds of

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Speaker 3: concerns about would the record label actually let the word

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Speaker 3: God be you know, in the package, artwork and everything.

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Speaker 3: We've come a long.

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Speaker 2: Way, I think, yeah, we sure have. Well, let's have

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Speaker 2: some fun talking about music. We'll take calls next hour

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Speaker 2: as well, Harvey. And you know, I'm a product of Detroit.

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Speaker 2: I'm a Motown guy. I've seen it all in Motown

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Speaker 2: and they continued to do a great job. Barry Gordy

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Speaker 2: still kick him.

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Speaker 3: Oh. I was just at a Motown event a week

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Speaker 3: anniversary of his album Let's Get It On. Robinson was

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Speaker 3: on the panel at the Grammy Museum in LA And

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Speaker 3: I spent some time with Smokey. I was just filmed

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Speaker 3: with him, and it became even more clear to me

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Speaker 3: what the city of Detroit gave to all of us.

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Speaker 3: Sure we know about general motors, and I mean people

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Speaker 2: I'm sure in all that world, but the music scene

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Speaker 3: Even Smokey said on the panel about Detroit and especially Motown,

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Speaker 3: And Barry Gordy, who's ninety two or ninety three, he's

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Speaker 3: still involved. It's still He's still involved emotionally and fiscally.

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Speaker 3: But the music still continues, whether it be TV shows

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Speaker 3: or soundtracks. And I mean for somebody like you who

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Speaker 3: with the DJ's name was like Robin Seymour back there,

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Speaker 3: you know, yeah, I mean you were ground floor watching

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Speaker 3: something that's really informed the world and brought us all

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Speaker 3: closer together. And the music it just even in streaming

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Speaker 3: platforms or even you know, when you hear it, even

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Speaker 3: in elevators or something. Every time you hear a Motown recording,

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Speaker 3: you discover something different about it. And it was our

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Speaker 3: and it was involved with, you know, bringing Motown to

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Speaker 3: the West Coast. He was a promo man and worked

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Speaker 3: with Barry Gordy sixty to sixty three. He introduced the

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Speaker 3: world to like Please Mister Postman by the Marvelette. Russ

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Speaker 3: you you get brought into it still connects.

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Speaker 2: It really does. We had Smokey Robinson on the show

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Speaker 2: The Coast The Coast program several months ago Harvey, and

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Speaker 2: he was just wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Well, what was that like for you? That's oh, that

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Speaker 3: was as that's your soul. Brother.

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Speaker 2: I try not to get so excitable like a kid,

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Speaker 2: but deep down inside it's there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, listen, I've done interviews with him.

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Speaker 3: I just did a documentary, I was filmed with him.

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Speaker 3: I've seen him in markets. I then I said, smoke

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Speaker 3: I need about thirty seconds with you. I've got to

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Speaker 3: ask you a question. He said, no, what do you need, man?

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Speaker 3: What do you need? And I just said, that song

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Speaker 3: Tears of a Clown yep. And I just said when

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Speaker 3: I heard that, when I was I don't know, seventeen

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Speaker 3: he just laughed and he said, well, why didn't you

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Speaker 1: Hew?

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Speaker 2: You was classic. And he's touring now.

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Speaker 3: He's playing He had COVID a while ago, but he's

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Speaker 3: rebooked a bunch of dates and he's working until next year.

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Speaker 3: And he's featured in a wonderful documentary that's currently broadcast

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Speaker 3: on Showtime TV called Hitsville The Making of Motown, And

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Speaker 3: it's just so fantastic to hear him discuss songs and songwritings.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, I know, you know, Barry always said

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Speaker 3: Smokey is the guy, because Barry started as a songwriter.

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Speaker 3: But Smokey the wisdom of the songs, the direction you

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Speaker 3: take from the lyrics. And he had a lot of

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Speaker 3: co writers and people who worked with him. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: you were their ground floor, hearing shop around and hearing

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Speaker 3: these these seminal audiosnic gems that changed the world. But

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Speaker 3: you in Detroit, who you know sings and understands music.

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Speaker 3: It must be amazing for you as you see how

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Speaker 3: Motown expanded globally because to somebody like you, it's something

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Speaker 3: that station was over there. Look how it spread.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Bob was the one who had played the Beatles

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Speaker 3: Right, and was Georgie Woods a disc jockey over there?

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Speaker 3: I think it was more Philadelphia. But what a network

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Absolutely, We've got a couple of great

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Speaker 2: Billy Gibbons from zz Top and John Fogerty and great guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and their very roots, you know, driven, you know,

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Speaker 3: And look how they were ushered into the world too.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Let's talk about some artists that are not with

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Speaker 2: us right now. Johnny Cash, what's happening there?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's September third, mark the twentyth anniversary of Johnny

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Speaker 3: Cash's physical passing. It's been twenty years that long already. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I have a bond with Johnny partially because we share

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Speaker 3: times over, you know, forty or fifty years. But Johnny Cash,

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Speaker 3: there's a book coming out in November, a Life in Lyrics,

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Speaker 3: a very there's an estate authorized touring exhibition of Johnny Cash,

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Speaker 3: like the Johnny Cash Concert Experience, which his son, John

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Speaker 3: Carter Cash is very involved in. That's touring all over

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Speaker 3: excerpts from his television program and so it's not an

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Speaker 3: oldies but goodies kind of show. It's more of an

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Speaker 3: he's actually involved as far as you know, products and

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Speaker 3: His impact is still there, and you know it's to

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Speaker 3: me he was always like a voice of America. It

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Speaker 2: I will always remember when he was at fulsome Prison.

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Speaker 3: What I have three different configurations of the life from

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Speaker 3: Fulsome Prison album. And you know, you start seeing people

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Speaker 3: the case of Johnny Cash, there's you know, walk the

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Speaker 3: of this Southern music much like Detroit that reached global ears.

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Speaker 2: Well, that is so true. It is so true. And

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Speaker 2: I'll always remember Johnny Cash coming out going Hello, everybody,

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Speaker 2: I'm Johnny Cash.

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Speaker 3: That's how it all started.

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Speaker 2: What a talent, I mean, what's beautiful? What caught him on?

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Speaker 2: Because initially when you first hear him, you know, he's

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Speaker 2: he caught on what sparked his career.

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Speaker 3: You know, he had such drive and determination to get

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Speaker 3: what I always find interesting about Johnny Cash, and I've

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Speaker 3: written a lot about him. There's a big article I've

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Speaker 3: just posted on him on a Kavehollywood dot com. I

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Speaker 3: don't think people realize from like late nineteen fifty nine

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Speaker 3: or sixty to nineteen sixty six, Johnny Cash was based

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Speaker 2: That is truly remarkable. I do the first Sunday of

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Speaker 2: the program with Disturbed with David the Diamond, the singer

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Speaker 2: Yes of singing sounds of Silence, and that is so haunting.

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Speaker 2: It gives me goosebumps every time I hear it.

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Speaker 3: And when we hear Johnny Cash, you know, it might

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Speaker 3: you know, when I'm six, seven or eight, and Johnny

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Speaker 3: had the same birthdays as me, oh, Fat's Domino. You know,

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Speaker 3: guy said, wow, you know who's Fats Domino. I got

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Speaker 3: to invest in Johnny Cash. We we're like February people.

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Speaker 3: I even said that the Smokey Robinson he said, hey, man,

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Speaker 3: I said, both born in February, and he'd go nineteenth

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Speaker 3: and I'll go twenty six. I know, it's sort of

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Speaker 3: a comical bond we have, but it brings people together.

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Speaker 3: And so Johnny this twenty years since he left, it

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Speaker 3: kind of shows you how quick life goes as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's truly remarkable. One of my favorite Johnny Cash

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Speaker 3: Well, he did that at the Newport Folk Festival. It

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Speaker 3: was a cover of a Bob Dylan song, singing out

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Speaker 3: with June right yes and kind. I saw him do

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Speaker 3: it the Troubater one time in West Hollywood and he

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Speaker 3: kind of exposed people like Chris Christofferson and popularized Bob Dylan.

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Speaker 3: Plus he was a very early supporter of Bob Dylan

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Speaker 3: Johnny really lobbied for the executives and the promotional people

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Speaker 3: his you know, Johnny cash TV show on ABC between

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Speaker 3: like on a double DVD. I encourage people to check

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Speaker 3: out that the Johnny Cashow DVD is just wonderful to

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Speaker 3: about him and Buffy, Saint Marie. I mean, just giving

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Speaker 3: There's only three like networks happening. Ronnie brought people to

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Speaker 2: You're going to get a kick out of this. I

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Speaker 2: met a couple months ago Paul Anka, Well.

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Speaker 3: Where do you want to start? From Diana on down?

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Speaker 2: I mean plus my way. He wrote that for Frank Sinatra.

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Speaker 3: Who did He is beyond a survivor. I think he's

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Speaker 3: also overlooked in history. I've had some conversations years ago

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Speaker 3: whether it be artist management or starting as a teenager

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not going to say they were inherent,

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Speaker 3: idol initially with these wonderful puts your head on my shoulder,

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Speaker 3: guy has had a sixty five year old career. You know,

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Speaker 3: get a day job, and look at him two thirds

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Speaker 3: And he has a very devoted fan base.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And he's a class guy and a nice

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Speaker 2: guy too, Harvey. Yes, when we come back after the break,

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Speaker 2: let's talk a little bit about Wayne Newton and how

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Speaker 2: old is Mick Jagger? Eighty eighty years old and he's

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Speaker 2: still singing. They're coming out with a new album in

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Speaker 2: another month or two, aren't they.

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Speaker 3: In late October and today they issued a single from

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Speaker 3: this album. Rock and roll isn't just for kids anymore.

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Speaker 3: There are grandfathers on stage performing.

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