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A 20 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: twenty two year old girl, a college student goes missing 21 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: and the search for Healey Anderson unfolds in the most 22 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: unusual and unheard of way. What happened to this missing 23 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: college girl? Healey Anderson? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, I, 24 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, thank you for being with us here at 25 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all, 26 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: take a listen to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter 27 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: Dave mac. Haley Anderson's roommate wasn't worried when she didn't 28 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: show up at a planned poetry reading session. Family and 29 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: friends described Anderson as an independent person, full of life 30 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: who liked to do her own thing. Anderson was the 31 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: type of student who stayed on campus for spring breaks 32 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: so she could study. So again, when Anderson was a 33 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: no show, Josie Arden didn't think much of it. But 34 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: the next day was different. Not only was Anderson not 35 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: answering calls or text she wasn't posting on social media either. 36 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: Arden and another friend began to look for Haley Anderson. Guys, 37 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: this is a real bookworm. Twenty two year old Ellie Anderson, 38 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: who had decided to stay on campus over spring break 39 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: so she could study. She wasn't down in Fort Liquordale, 40 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: excuse me, Fort Lauderdale with her top off playing chicken 41 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: in the water. This girl stayed back to study. Her 42 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: roommates only began to get worried when she doesn't show 43 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: up at a planned poetry reading session. They thought that 44 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: was all, but then she stopped posting on social media. 45 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to break it down 46 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: and put it back together again. First of all, judge 47 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: and trial lawyer. You can find her anchor at Court 48 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: TV at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, 49 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University and author a Blood Beneath My Feet 50 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: on Amazon. He is a so called death investigator. Doctor 51 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, joining us out of Beverly Hills. You 52 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. The 53 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: director and founder of the Cold Case Research Institute. Cheryl McCollum, 54 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: crime crime scene expert. But right now, to Crime online 55 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: dot com investigative reporter Levi Page Levi, and to everyone 56 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: on our program today, Let's start at the beginning. Let's 57 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: don't get ahead of ourselves and try to sift through 58 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: the clues that were first left behind? Straight to you, 59 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: Levi page, What can you tell me about this girl? 60 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: Healey Anderson, Because there's not a lot of college students 61 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: that willingly she used to stay behind and study instead 62 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: of going on spring break and go to a poetry reading. 63 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: You don't hear that very often. So she's a nursing 64 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: student at Bingham to New York. She's just twenty two 65 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: years old, Levi Page, What can you tell me about 66 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: this young girl? Do we know where she's from? To 67 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: start with? Long Island? Okay, so not too far away 68 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: from home. Go ahead. She's a straight A student and 69 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: she's a very well like, very popular. Nobody can say 70 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: a negative thing about her. Her mother described her as 71 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: quote a millennial hippie, very friendly, very talkative. She trusted 72 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: everyone and was very supportive of her. I want to 73 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: go to doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining me out of 74 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. Just just this morning, Bethany I was talking 75 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: to my partner in her oxygen program in Justice about 76 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: his daughter Kira, who has a four point zero and 77 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: nearly fell out when she made to be the other day. 78 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: Bethany not bragging, maybe bragging. My son made a hundred, 79 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: a one hundred on a tap and guess what he said, Mom, 80 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: it's going to bring down my average because he had 81 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: one hundred and five in that class. Now wait a minute, 82 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: I'm working up to something. My sister validictory in high school, 83 00:05:53,000 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: graduated in double major and accounting and German four. You 84 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: know how hard it is to have a four oh 85 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: in college, much less in nursing. I mean, this is 86 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: not the kind of girl that just takes off in 87 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: a van and decides to see the world. She's dedicated. 88 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: That makes her disappearance even more unusual, Doctor Bethany. Not 89 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,239 Speaker 1: only that she had two very good friends she lived 90 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: with and they were inseparable. She was the kind of 91 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: girl who was independent. She didn't want to talk to 92 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: her mom every single day, so she said, Mom, call 93 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: me every Sunday. So she set up very predictable relationships 94 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: in her life. This is not the kind of person 95 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: who would go missing. And the fast Nancy that nobody 96 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: disliked her, Everyone loved her. She's gorgeous. Have you seen her? 97 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: The one picture I have fours around. She's got this 98 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: naturally brown hair and it's got golden ship, Marie thingies 99 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: in it, big blue eyes, perfect teeth, that costs some 100 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: money right there, those two and she looks like a 101 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: cover girl. You know, you said something, and I want 102 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: to follow up on the significance of this. You said 103 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: she had predictable relationships, that she had her mom called 104 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: like my mom. When I was in college and law 105 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 1: school and frankly, when I was still started trying cases. 106 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: She had a job where she had to be there. 107 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: She was a CFO of a canning company. She had 108 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: to be there at seven sharp. That's when you still 109 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: got charged for long distance calls. But at work she 110 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: had an eight hundred number. She would call me at 111 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: seven o'clock sharp every morning, say just want to make 112 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: sure you're up in about and having your V eight 113 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: and you know, every morning. Very predictable. But what does 114 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: that mean, doctor Bethany. Well, to me, it means that 115 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: she had very secure attachment systems, and that even though 116 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: she was beautiful, like you said, perfect hair, perfect teeth, bubbly, 117 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: that she wasn't the kind of person who had devisive 118 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: relationships or sparked envy or sparked division in the people 119 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: around her. That people found her likable in a very 120 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: ongoing kind of way. So that to me even raises 121 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: the red slight even more that she would disappear because 122 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: she's not the kind of person who would have relationships 123 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: where people would dislike her. She wasn't toxic, she wasn't poisonous. 124 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: You know, some people go missing and you start looking 125 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: for enemies, right, this person doesn't like them, that person's 126 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: posting on Instagram, one friend says something negative, but not 127 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: one person has come forward and said anything negative about her. 128 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: You know, another quick story Nancy is that at one 129 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: point she was sitting with her two best friends on 130 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: her dormbed and she said to them, what does depression 131 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: feel like? I thought that was fascinating that a young 132 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: woman this age did not know what pressions felt like. 133 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: That helps me what good mental health is. She was 134 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: in how optimistic and that she's not the kind of 135 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: girl who was getting herself in trouble. You know, I 136 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: want to follow up with Ashy Wilcott, judge and trial law, 137 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: your anchor court dv Ashley. That's very significant. And when 138 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany said, I just want to tell another story 139 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: when I would investigate cases and even now when I'm 140 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: reporting on cases and I'm speaking to witnesses or players 141 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: in the case. I like to sit down and hear 142 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: all their stories because Ashley somewhere and all that information 143 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: you learn something about the disappearance, like what we were 144 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: listening to Ashley, where she had a scheduled time for 145 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: mom to call every week, where she had two best friends, 146 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: where she didn't really understand, like what's depression, Like I've 147 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: never felt like that. When you sit down and you 148 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: really listen to people's stories, you learn information to use 149 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: in the search for this missing girl Ashley. You've got 150 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: to be willing to listen. Absolutely, It's so important because 151 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: what it does is established as a timeline, so you 152 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: can figure out what is the routine, what did they miss, 153 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: where were they when were they there? And I will 154 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: tell you, as a judge, one of the biggest things 155 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: I see as attorneys often do not like to listen 156 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: to answers to investigations, and you are right. Listening is 157 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: key prime stories. With Nancy Grace, we were talking about 158 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: a young girl, a nursing student set to graduate and 159 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: just a month or so doesn't go on spring break 160 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: because she wants to study. Has a four oh average 161 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: plus she's beautiful. I'm talking about Helly, Helly Anderson. And 162 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: another thing that I know about Helly is she had 163 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: very good friends who noticed when she didn't come to 164 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: a poetry reading and also when she wasn't posting on Facebook. 165 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: I want to go to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics 166 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: and Cheryl McCollum, Director Coal Case Research Institute. Cheryl McCollum, 167 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: you and I met, you say around two o'clock in 168 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: the morning at a crime scene. I don't remember it 169 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: quite that way, but I will bow to your recollection, Cheryl. 170 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: When you start looking for somebody, you got to know 171 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: who they are. You've got to know are they a 172 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: drinker not judging? Do they use drugs? Not judging? Do 173 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: they go out overnight and don't come back home? Who 174 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: were their last boyfriends or girlfriends? How often are they 175 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: in touch with their family. I'm talking about college students. 176 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: All of that matters, Cheryl, when you were working on 177 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: a case and you can't find a young girl, absolutely 178 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: every single thing about their life matters. And here's what's 179 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: brilliant here. She was predictable. She was the kind of 180 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: you know, the student friends that you could rely on. 181 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: She had a four point z was so she didn't 182 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: miss class, she didn't miss study sessions. I've got two 183 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: sisters that are trauma nurses, and I will tell you 184 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: those nursing programs, they get out of class and go 185 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: right into a study session with all their friends. There's 186 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: a lot of accountability with everybody, you know, sort of 187 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: like law school. You do these five questions, I'm going 188 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: to answer the next five, etc. You know, when you 189 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: were just describing going into study study sessions with her friend, 190 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: I thought immediately law school because the minute you got 191 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: a class, you get a cup of coffee and you 192 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: go straight into study sessions and you create a bond 193 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: with those people. It's like you're in a foxhold together 194 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: and you don't just disappear or not show up for 195 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: your study session, you know. Joe Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, 196 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State and author, death investigator. I would first start 197 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: looking at her apartment. If you were looking, if you 198 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: were trying to figure out what happened to this girl, 199 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: what would you do first? Joe Scott Morgan, Well, you 200 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: know you're going to learn the most about a person's 201 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: life where they live, just as you mentioned, and so 202 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: I want to know, for instance, if she is missing 203 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: you can't track her down. Is there any sign of 204 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: a fourth century or struggle as the apartment? Is her 205 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: luggage missing? Does she have valuables that are still in 206 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: the house that people are familiar with or are they 207 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: gone or things thrown about? Is there disordering chaos in 208 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: the environment, or if everything is placed, Why does that 209 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: matter to you whether her clothes are on the floor, 210 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: Why do you care about that? Well, because it gives 211 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: you an idea that maybe there was a frenzied event, 212 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: particularly for somebody that is by nature a neat person. 213 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: If you walk in, you know, at any point in time, 214 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: now you look in my eighteen year old son's room, 215 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna think, well, he lives this way. 216 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: But with a girl that is so very ordered in 217 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: her life. She's so very disciplined with what she's doing 218 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: in school academically. You know, here at Jackson State, we've 219 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: got this fantastic sick nursing program and it is run 220 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: like a military camp because it has to be so ordered. 221 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: She has a very ordered life. If anything differs from 222 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: that life. For an investigator, that is essential because it 223 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: begins to paint a narrative. Guys, we were talking about 224 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: a twenty two year old girl, absolutely stunning brains and 225 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: beauty four point average who suddenly doesn't show up for 226 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: a poetry reading and then her friends notice she's not 227 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: posting online. So where do you look statistically? You look 228 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: at a boyfriend, a lover and ex, a husband. Take 229 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: a listen now to our friend, Maria Elena Selina's CBS 230 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: News forty eight Hours correspondent. Haley and Orlando first met 231 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: in class, but didn't forge a friendship until Haley's fourth 232 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: year at school, when they crossed pats at a party 233 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: at Kevin's off campus apartment. It was just coincidence that 234 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: they met in my apartment. Haley recognized him and so 235 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: she introduced me to him Orlando. Hailey and Kevin grew closer. 236 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: Kevin even invited his new friend to join his fraternity. 237 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: We tried to recruit people who we think we would 238 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: get along with well, and being that we were both 239 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: from Hispanic backgrounds, me and him were the only two 240 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: people that spoke Spanish, so I thought it'd be a 241 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: good idea. In for a while, it was until Kevin 242 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: and Haley took one of their breaks in Orlando crossed 243 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: the line in his friendship with Haley. They had romantic 244 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: time together, but Haley was very clear from the beginning 245 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: that she didn't want to be in a committed relationship. 246 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: Haley and Orlando now had their own on again, off 247 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: again relationship in oh I smell a love triangle. Where 248 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: there's a love triangle, there's a problem. Let me understand this, 249 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: Levi pays, joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. 250 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: Haley was so into her nursing studies she did not 251 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: want a full time boyfriend and all of the commitment 252 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: that goes with that. She was hell bent on keeping 253 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: that four oh average. So she has a relationship with 254 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: the boyfriend, Kevin, but she doesn't want a committed relationship, 255 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: so they break up, then they get back together, they 256 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:54,479 Speaker 1: break up, and during this they meet Orlando to Sarah 257 00:16:54,480 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: and they all three become friends. And then on one 258 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: of the breakup periods with the boyfriend Kevin, Orlando moves 259 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: in and starts taking her out, but she again reiterates, 260 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: I don't want a full on boyfriend. Do I understand 261 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: that correctly? Yes, You've got that relationship down. Pat into 262 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: Orlando is twenty two years old. He's from of a 263 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: well to do family. His family immigrated to Miami from Nicaragua. 264 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: His father was a physician, and he was also a 265 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: nursing student as well. So that's how him and haleyot bonded. 266 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: Was their common major in college. Okay, so the boyfriend, 267 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: Kevin is a nursing student, so he's under the same 268 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: stress she is, maybe not as much because she wants 269 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: a four. Oh, that's how they become friends. And then 270 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: the Orlando to Sarah boyfriend. They meet at a party 271 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: and they're all three friends, but then he starts dating her. Yes, no, yes, 272 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: Orlando is actually the nursing student, known him in class 273 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: and then got to know him better at a party. Now, 274 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: which one was the rich one? The wealthy one? Kevin 275 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: Orlando his family. His family immigrated to Miami from Nico Waugua, 276 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: and Orlando's father was a physician. He came from a 277 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: very well to do, respected family. Okay, so now we 278 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: see a love triangle. Doctor Bethany Marshall, nothing good comes 279 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: out of a love triangle? Can we at least agree 280 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: on that? We can agree that nothing good comes out 281 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: of a love triangle. Yes, nothing good at all, and 282 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: then something goes sideways. Take a listen again to Maria 283 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: Elena Salinas at CBS News forty eight hours, weirdly possessive 284 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: of Haley, who wasn't his girlfriend. He definitely liked Haley. 285 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: He definitely seemed like he wanted it to be a 286 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: little bit more than just an on and off a fling. 287 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: Then there was this big red flags every single one. 288 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: Haley posted this nept video announcing the tires on her 289 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: car had been slashed. It happened the date after a 290 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: party at Orlando's apartment, where he learned that Haley and 291 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: Kevin were on again. I was the one who found 292 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: her tire slashed. Kevin had spent the night at Haley's. 293 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: We wake up. She walked me out of the door, 294 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: and this time when I was walking past her car, 295 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: I noticed that something looked off about it every single line, 296 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: and I told her right away, I said, it must 297 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: be Orlando. Okay, that's always a rude surprise to wake up. 298 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: I had happened to me when I was a prosecutor, 299 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: and every time it turned out, which was I think 300 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: three or four times, it was a definants relative that 301 00:19:43,080 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: slashed my tires. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, guys were 302 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: talking about the disappearance of a young girl, twenty two 303 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: year old Haley Anderson, and we have just developed the 304 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: fact that there was a love triangle going on, maybe 305 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: not in her mind, but in the minds of the 306 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: two guys that were vying for her attention. There was 307 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: a love triangle. So what I'm understanding, is that correct 308 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong? Levi Page the original boyfriend, Kevin, 309 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: they're dating again. They walked out of her apartment one 310 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: morning and see all four of her tires slash. Right? 311 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yes? And they suspected Orlando to Sarah 312 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: because that's the wealthy boyfriend. Right. Yes, They had been 313 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: at a party and he had seen them together and 314 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: he became angry. He got into an argument with Haley, 315 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: he berated her, and then the next morning she notices 316 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: her tires are slash. You know, doctor Bethany Marshall, I 317 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: gotta go off on a rant here. Why is it 318 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: you have a couple of dates with somebody and then 319 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: some other guy like you're their possession, gets all angry 320 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: and actually brights you in public because you have a date, Nancy, 321 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: it's I would adopt him right there. I could write 322 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: volumes on this. Perhaps it wasn't a love triangle. Perhaps 323 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: she was a beautiful young woman who was free to 324 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: date whoever she wanted. But in the mind of Orlando, Orlando, 325 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: she became his possession very soon. And this seems stalkrish 326 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: to me, and you've heard me say this so many 327 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: times on your show. Stalkers imagine that there's a relationship 328 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: even when there is evidence to the contrary. They could 329 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: spot somebody in a shopping mall and a beautiful woman 330 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Bam, that's my girlfriend, Or 331 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: see a star like Selena Gomez on stage and oh, 332 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 1: she's my girl. Friends, their fantasy's outpaced reality. And because 333 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: of that, every time the girlfriend does not or the woman, 334 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: the pop star, the woman in the mall, whoever they're 335 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: fixated on, does not return their attention, they feel insulted, 336 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: they feel angry, and then they start to pursue the 337 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: woman to have greater and greater control over her and 338 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,239 Speaker 1: to bring her under submission in some way. They go 339 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: after the victim, to punish the victim for perceived rejection. 340 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: So I'm worried if Orlando is this kind of a 341 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: guy and she's this hippie free spirit who wants to 342 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: date whoever she wants. Another issue disturbing me, Doctor Bethany, 343 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: is that who would take as compliance public. I mean, 344 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: you can, in your mind feel jealous or angry, but 345 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: then to outwardly brate someone in public at a party, 346 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: that kind of takes it to another and more disturbing 347 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: level to you. Cheryl McCollum, I mean, we've had so 348 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: many missing cases and murder cases together. That's crossing a 349 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: line when you think, oh, I hate him, and then 350 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: you cross the line and you throw a fit at 351 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: a party. Here's what concerns me. He does throw the 352 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: fit at the party, so you think, Okay, he's blown 353 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: off and seem he's gonna leave forget her. Who needs 354 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: the r anyway, go find another one. He doesn't do that, Nancy, Well, okay, 355 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: we think he doesn't do it, but we're talking about 356 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: slashing the tires. Take a listen again to our friends 357 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: at forty eight hours. Orlando denied it and even tried 358 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: to blame Kevin, but Karen Anderson didn't buy it. So 359 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: you're pretty convinced that it was Orlando who slept her tires. 360 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I said, Helly, you need to make a 361 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: police report. So the police came over. They took the 362 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: information down, but she wouldn't press charges because it was 363 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: over six hundred dollars in damage and it would be 364 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: considered a felony. He would have been kicked out of 365 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: the nurse school. For a while, Haley kept her distance 366 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: from Orlando, but despite warnings from her family and friends, 367 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: she eventually led him back into her life. It was 368 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: a reflect for you, but not necessarily for Haley. No right, 369 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: she trusted him, So help me understand that. Why would 370 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: you let him back in your life after you suspect 371 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: that he slashed your tires? You let him back in? 372 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: Why is that, doctor, Bethany Marshall, Do you just want 373 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: to avoid the subject? Do you want to pretend like 374 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: it didn't happen? Do you not want to? You know, 375 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: women and abusive relationships battered women's syndrome. They want that 376 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: perfect relationship. They don't want to accept that they're being abused, 377 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: and so they will just go through life with the 378 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: blinders on, not accepting what's really happening. Why do we 379 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: why do people do that. They don't want to know 380 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: something bad, like women that are getting or men that 381 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: are getting cheated on. They want to ignore the littlestick 382 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: on the collar. Why is that? Well, so women in 383 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: abusive relationships in men, I think of it as a 384 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: crisis of boundaries. So in this case, the boundary poor 385 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: boundary would be that she knows that there's something wrong 386 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: with Orlando, that she's suffering, he's obsessed with her, and 387 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: in her mind, instead of saying he's a creeper, she's 388 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: going to say, oh, poor Orlando. You know he's suffering, 389 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: he's lonely, he's upset. And the crisis of boundaries is 390 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: that she's going to blame herself that perhaps he has 391 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: done something to cause his suffering, and because she's done 392 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: something to cause his suffering, now he's responsible for it 393 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: and therefore she must fix it. So the person misbehaves 394 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: does something bad, and then in this case, Haley feels 395 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: responsible for getting him in trouble or suspecting him. It's 396 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: in her mind kind of her fault. He's in trouble, 397 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: and so she brings him back into the fault. Let 398 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: me ask you a question, Jose Scott Morgan. I'm interested 399 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: in what the friends did to try and find her. 400 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: By this point, Haley's missing. The friends don't know what 401 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: to do, and they decide to try track my iPhone. 402 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: Take a listen to your cut three. This is Maria 403 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: Elena Selenas. When Binghamton University nursing student Haley Anderson first 404 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: disappeared from her off campus apartment, her close friend and 405 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: roommate Josie Harton says she wasn't alarmed. I didn't think, oh, 406 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: something terrible has happened, because you know, Haley is a 407 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,959 Speaker 1: big girl. But the next day Josie became extremely concerned, 408 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: especially when another roommate used the app Find My Friends 409 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: to track Haley's phone to the appointment. A fellow nursing student, 410 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: Orlando tell me about Orlando. Orlando is charismatic. Orlando's close friend, 411 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: Jesse Boa, knew how much Orlando liked Haley. The first 412 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: thing I thought was maybe they had eloped, But Josie 413 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: didn't trust Orlando and went to his apartment in search 414 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: of her friend. When no one answered the door, she 415 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: climbed through a window and found Haley. I didn't know 416 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: for sure that she was dead. At the time, she 417 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: just was so pale. You know, Hailey had been strangled 418 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: to death, and Orlando too was gone. It's a lot 419 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: to take in when I look at photos of Haley, 420 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: she looks so incredibly alive, just stunning, big smile, all 421 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: the world ahead of her and her friends. Do they 422 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: find my friend app I've got it on my phone. 423 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: It's called I Think Life three sixty and I can 424 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: see where I am, my husband, and my twins are. 425 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: And they followed it to Orlando's apartment. Orlando to Sarah, 426 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: Now remember Orlando to Sarah is the wealthy young man 427 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: who has dual citizenship in the US and his hunt 428 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: parents Homeland, Nicaragua. They trick her phone to the apartment. 429 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: While his friends think everything's okay, her friend Josie says, 430 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: no way. They actually climb a tree to look into 431 00:28:42,520 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: the apartment and they see Helle's body lying there. Pale 432 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we are discussing the disappearance 433 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: and the discovery of the body of a beautiful young girl. Brilliant. 434 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: Take a listen to CBS News forty eight hours nearly 435 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: six months after her tires were slashed, Haley went missing 436 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: even off Snapchat Josie in another roommate, Ni, Michelle tracked 437 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: Haley's iPhone to Orlando's apartment and then climbed through a 438 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: window in search of their friend. Oh. I boosted Michelle 439 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: up first and then climbed in and she was a 440 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,959 Speaker 1: little ways ahead of me, and basically she screamed and 441 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: yelled to me like Josie, call nine one one, and 442 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: I walk in there and then I see Orlando's bedroom 443 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: and Haley is there. I didn't know for sure that 444 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: she was dead at the time. She just was so pale. 445 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: You know, Hailey had been strangled to death in Orlando. 446 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: Pucito was nowhere to be found. Straight out to you, 447 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: Justice Scott Morgan, death investigator, Professor Forensics explained to me 448 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: the science how it works find my friend with the 449 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: iPhone function, Nancy. Everything operates on a large cloud. This 450 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: cloud that exists, it contains all of the identifiers for 451 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: this phone and each person's each person's phone has a 452 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: specific identifier for it. So if you're missing your phone, 453 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: perhaps you can go into that system and on a 454 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: computer and you can actually key in the code for 455 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: the phone and it will ping. And what that means 456 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: it's going to bounce off of the repeater, the transmitter, 457 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: and then the phone it's elf. We'll give off a 458 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: location signal. It'll also if you've lost it in your house, 459 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: it'll chime in a specific way. So it's a specific 460 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: way to identify. Now, with this particular case, let's keep 461 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: in mind these are young millennial kids. Everybody, and I 462 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: mean everybody is heavily depended upon their phone. It's with 463 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: us everywhere we go, and she's engaged in social media. 464 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: So when she kind of disappears off of this, it 465 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: starts them thinking. You know, an older generation like me, 466 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: I'm not going to think about the phone as much 467 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: as they are. But immediately these kids start thinking, how 468 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: can I track her down using her phone? And of 469 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: course in the end it winds up pinpointing her exact location. 470 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: You know, Joe Scott, you gotta get with it. I 471 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: use Life three sixty all the time. And the twins, 472 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: as you know, just with their school band went to 473 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: Disney and played on one of the stages there with 474 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: a lot of schools where their school bands were there, 475 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: and the thought of them wandering around Disney without a 476 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: chaperone nearly threw me over the edge. So I used 477 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: a Live three sixty the whole time to see them 478 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: walking around, and I mean it really works, and even 479 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: find my iPhone can work. You can plug on your 480 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: iPad and then it leads you to your iPhone. That's 481 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: how that works, and that is what happened here. But 482 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,959 Speaker 1: where is to Sarah? Here is ABC seven News anchor 483 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: Liz Show. We are learning new details today about the 484 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: man wanted for questioning in the suspicious death of a 485 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: Binghamton University student. Police identify him as Orlando ter Sara. 486 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: He is also a Binghamton nursing student and the ex 487 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: boyfriend of twenty two year old Haley Anderson. Police found 488 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: Anderson's body on Friday at an off campus home. They 489 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: want to question ter Sarah, but he fled to Nicaragua 490 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: authority before authorities found her body to leave my page 491 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: climb online dot Com investigative reporter, What do we know 492 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: regarding cause of death? Well, Nancy, we know that the 493 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: autopsy found that there were finger marks on Haley Anderson's 494 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: neck and the medical examiner noted in the autopsy quote 495 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: this was a case of asphyxiation by net compression, both 496 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: manually and ligature strangulation due to the necklace she was 497 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,719 Speaker 1: wearing at the time. The autopsy was conducted March tenth, 498 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, and the medical examiner estimated the time of 499 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: death was thirty six to forty eight hours before the 500 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: body was found. It seems to me, as she Willcott, 501 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: that the up third wheel of that love triangle Orlando 502 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: to Sarah left immediately after killing her. As she Willcot, 503 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: the fact that he would leave the country is light, 504 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: and very often, I would argue to juries. You know, 505 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: when a state trooper comes up behind you, do you 506 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: hit the gas at one hundred mph and take off? No, 507 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: you might slow down a little bit, but you don't 508 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: take flight unless there's a reason to take flight. Oh, 509 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: I completely agree with you, Nancy. Now I'm gonna say, 510 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: any good defense attorney's gonna say, so what he left 511 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: that doesn't prove his guilt. Maybe someone passed away where 512 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: he's from and he had to go home. But when 513 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: you start looking at all of these things together, I 514 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: do not believe it's coincidence. And I think that when 515 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: someone flees there can be some guilt associated with that. 516 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: You would think at an apartment complex there would be 517 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 1: surveillance video right, and that the cameras would work. We'll 518 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 1: believe it or not it's true. So often we hear, oh, 519 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: they taped over every seventy two hours, or the cameras 520 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: were just for show, or they weren't functioning. But in 521 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: this case we find out, Sir Valance cameras were working 522 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,240 Speaker 1: at Orlando to Sarah's apartment. Take a listen to forty 523 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: eight hours correspondent Maria Elena Selina's Binghamton Police Lieutenant Corey 524 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: miner let the search for Haley's suspected killer. So this 525 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: is a house that Orlando lived in, that is correct. 526 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: There are several different cameras on the house. Those cameras 527 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: were utilized two track not only Miss Anderson's movements around 528 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: the property, but also mister Tressaro's throughout the day of 529 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: March eighth and March ninth. The first recording of interest 530 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: to police was on Thursday in March eighth, in the 531 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: early morning hours, when Hailey met up with Orlando. The 532 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: camera on the front of the house shows Miss Anderson 533 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: and mister Tresco walking into the residence. On March eighth. 534 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: After Miss Anderson walks into the house, she is never 535 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: seen again. Mister Tresco. On the other hand, he is 536 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: seen leaving the residence several times. Nearly seven hours after 537 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: right with Healy, Orlando is seen clearing the driveway of 538 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,959 Speaker 1: garbage and leaving alone. You sing a receipt they found 539 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: in his apartment. Police tracked his movements to a local 540 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: pharmacy where he purchased zequilt and melatonin to sleeping aids. Okay, 541 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: so we're learning more and more from the video surveillance. 542 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: To Cheryl McCollum, what does the surveillance tell you? It 543 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: reminds me of your hand Vannerslutor Stephanie Floridas, where they 544 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: walk into the hotel together then only he leaves. Not 545 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,879 Speaker 1: only did they have that in real time, Nancy, it's 546 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: going to line up with the apps that her friends 547 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: used to find my friends because that app also has 548 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: a location history, and they're going to line up in 549 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: real time perfectly. Take a listen now to where police 550 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: believe Orlando flu Steve coinedwell, wasn't sure, nikod I want 551 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: authorities we're even looking for to setto We had no 552 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: communication with anybody in the government of Nicaragua at that 553 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 1: point for those few days. Then four days after his arrival, 554 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,919 Speaker 1: Orlando's mother drove him an hour south to the much 555 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: larger city of Lyon to get medical attention. According to 556 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: the police report, Orlando Teseo was brought to this hospital 557 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: with self inflicted wounds, implying he tried to take his 558 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: own life. It's possible that someone here recognized the fugitive. 559 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: The story had been in the news for days. We 560 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: were told that this is where police finally found and 561 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: arrested Orlando. The next day in Manawa, police held a 562 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: press conference informing the world that Orlando Teso was in custody. 563 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: He's in custody all right. In Nicaragua, we later learned 564 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 1: police say that jealousy was the motive that Haley was 565 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: killed by asphyxiation. Net came Russian, choked to death in 566 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: her sleep, but to Sarah, leaves her where she is 567 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: and flees the country. In the end, this guy convicted 568 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: in the death of this young girl, but not in 569 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: the US. With us strings and connections his family have 570 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: there in his homeland. Who knows if he won't be released, 571 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: just the way Jorn van der Sleet was after killing 572 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: Natalie Holloway. We wait as Justice unfolds Nancy Grace crime story, 573 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,