WEBVTT - Starter Horror! And Why Horror? (w/ Insha Fitzpatrick)

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<v Speaker 1>Hello.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Rosie Night and I'm Joel Monique, and

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back to xtra Vision, the podcast where we dive

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<v Speaker 2>deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture.

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<v Speaker 2>We're here at iHeart Podcasts where we bring you two

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<v Speaker 2>episodes a week, every Tuesday and Thursday, and sometimes a

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<v Speaker 2>little special episode like this. Shout out to our producer

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron for the new spooky edition of the theme song

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<v Speaker 2>that you will be hearing for the entirety of October

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<v Speaker 2>because we are just spooky guys over here and we

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<v Speaker 2>love spooky Caesars.

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<v Speaker 3>In today's episode, we're diving into the air lock. We're

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<v Speaker 3>joined by the experts horror genre author Incha fits Pat

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<v Speaker 3>and we get real girly with Incha about why we

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<v Speaker 3>love to be scared in our favorite bab movies to

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<v Speaker 3>dive into and get started on horror. So please enjoy

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<v Speaker 3>that conversation. We had a lot of fun. Then we

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<v Speaker 3>went on to Who's Who. Everyone will share their most

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<v Speaker 3>terrifying movies they've seen recently. Ooh recent horror check it out?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh baby. So yeah, if you are a scaredy cat

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<v Speaker 2>and you want to know about start horror, we cover

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<v Speaker 2>that and then in that Who's Who, Baby, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be scaring you, so do not watch those if

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<v Speaker 2>you are easily scared. And with that said, without further ado,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get into our Halloween horror convo with the wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>inch of Fitzpatrick woo So Joelle. The reason that we

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<v Speaker 2>are exploring these two things today start a horror and

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<v Speaker 2>why horror came from a conversation that we had with

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<v Speaker 2>our super producers, who are not necessarily horror lovers and

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<v Speaker 2>A Boo do not love horror movies?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Oh, it was funny when we pitched them in

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<v Speaker 3>the meeting. We were like horror in October. They were like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't where would we even? What would we contribute?

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<v Speaker 3>What would it happen? I was like, okay, we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to divide and Concker. So they're actually working on a

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<v Speaker 3>secret project that I cannot leave for this to reveal.

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<v Speaker 3>And while they're doing that, the ladies of X ray

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<v Speaker 3>Vision were like, were you in horror for October? Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we were embracing it, but A Boo had a great question.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, why horror? Like why do we like

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<v Speaker 2>it as viewers? Why do we like it as creators?

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<v Speaker 2>And we also have a lot of discord users and

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<v Speaker 2>listeners in our amazing X ray vision community who don't

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<v Speaker 2>love horror and who don't like gore, and who will

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<v Speaker 2>listen to us talk about it but won't watch it themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>So I also wanted to kind of dip into the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of start a horror like, what's a good spooky

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<v Speaker 2>thing to watch that isn't scary, but that you could

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<v Speaker 2>test your boundaries with. So those are all the little

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<v Speaker 2>magical ingredients going into our spooky season cauldron. And to

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<v Speaker 2>join myself and Joelle, I wanted to make sure we

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<v Speaker 2>had a horror expert and someone who was not only

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<v Speaker 2>an expert in the very scary, gory, French new extremism

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<v Speaker 2>spooky murder horror, but also an expert in kids horror.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is why we are very happy to have

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<v Speaker 2>the wonderful inch of Fitzpatrick joining us on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Insha is a New Jersey based author who loves all

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<v Speaker 2>things horror. She's the writer of the Totally Factual Guide

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<v Speaker 2>to the Supernatural series with Quirk Books, the graphic novels

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<v Speaker 2>of Titchuba and Rosa Parks for hu HQ, and the

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<v Speaker 2>co author of the graphic novel series Oh my Gods.

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<v Speaker 2>When she is not writing, she's catching up on horror movies,

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<v Speaker 2>learning to write TRPGs, and watching reality TV, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as texting me because we became friends while I was

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<v Speaker 2>covering the Total Factual Guide of the Supernatural series Inja.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for joining us, Thank.

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<v Speaker 4>You, thank you for having me. That was like a ballard.

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<v Speaker 3>Because now I want to be besties with Inha too.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh my god, write tabletop RPGs. We will

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<v Speaker 3>have to chat after the call. There's not enough time.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for being here.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a three way call that could go on

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<v Speaker 2>for a very long time, guys, but don't worry. This

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna be snappy, well edited, beautifully smooth episode of

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<v Speaker 2>Extra Vision, and the three of us will have a

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<v Speaker 2>real freeway call off the air. But yes, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just so happy to have you here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we're thrilled and I okay, I think a good

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<v Speaker 3>introduction might be if we talk about, like our introductions

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<v Speaker 3>to horror for sure, where we started, Rosie, if you

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<v Speaker 3>told this story on Extra Vision before.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that I have. I probably have mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>it at different times, but I would definitely say there

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<v Speaker 2>are some key horror moments for me. I had uncles

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<v Speaker 2>who would show me wild to play, you know, Classic Chucky.

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<v Speaker 3>That was definitely early one.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a bootleg tape bootleg tape of Texas Chainsaw

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<v Speaker 2>Massacre because that was banned in the UK till two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and one, so that definitely had a taboo moment.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would say the most important. Those are both

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<v Speaker 2>very scary and obviously not great start horror. But I

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<v Speaker 2>will say the movie for me that I have talked

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<v Speaker 2>that do not watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre if you are

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<v Speaker 2>like a child. But those are not the recommendation. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just I'm not your parent, But I would say

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<v Speaker 2>for me, the most resounding movie that got me into

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<v Speaker 2>horror and the genre as a whole as a child.

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<v Speaker 2>In the UK, we only had four channels when I

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<v Speaker 2>was growing up, BBC one, BBC two, ITV and Channel four,

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<v Speaker 2>and those channels would regularly show kind of the same

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<v Speaker 2>movies every Bank holiday, every time there was a long weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the movies that they would always show

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<v Speaker 2>is the very strange Disney sequel to Wizard of Oz

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<v Speaker 2>that was called Return to Oz and it stars Ferusia

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<v Speaker 2>Bulk as Dorothy. And when the movie begins, she is

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<v Speaker 2>in an insane asylum and she is about to get

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<v Speaker 2>electric shock treatment, but she escapes with the help of

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<v Speaker 2>a chicken who takes her back to Oz. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a real movie, guys, real movie, and takes her back

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<v Speaker 2>to Oz where everyone has been turned to stone by

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<v Speaker 2>an evil queen named mom Bey, who turns everyone to

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<v Speaker 2>stone and then chops off people's heads and replaces her

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<v Speaker 2>own head with other people's heads. It's still one of

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<v Speaker 2>the scariest movies I've ever seen. I love it deeply.

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<v Speaker 2>For years, it was very very hard to find. I

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<v Speaker 2>have it on VHS, I have it on DVD, but

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic news it is now on Disney Plus. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the movies that got kind.

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<v Speaker 3>To terrify all.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing that actually scared me the most was none

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<v Speaker 2>of what I've talked about. It was a creation that

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<v Speaker 2>I do believe they made up for the movie. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of this stuff is from the frank Os later

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<v Speaker 2>Wizard of Oz books, but they there is this creation

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<v Speaker 2>called the Wheelies, and they go Their hands and legs

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<v Speaker 2>are both like stilts that are attached to like roller

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<v Speaker 2>skates and they look kind of like ravers or something,

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<v Speaker 2>but they kind of chase Dorothy around Oz and when

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<v Speaker 2>they come the music gets very chaotic and I was

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<v Speaker 2>so so scared of them. But that was for me

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<v Speaker 2>definitely the kids movie that I watched a lot that

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<v Speaker 2>I it made me understand horror. I have memories of

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<v Speaker 2>being scared of it, but I also started to think like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the kind of horror that I like, and

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, Ferujah Bolk and that movie as Dorothy

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<v Speaker 2>is essentially like a ten year old final girl, like

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<v Speaker 2>she's gonna save the day, So I and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about it from horror. So that's definitely like was my

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<v Speaker 2>real introduction rather than like the kind of spooky night

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that I shouldn't have watched that really just scared me.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the one that made me think like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe this is something that I could enjoy like, but

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<v Speaker 2>it still scared me like a lot and I would

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<v Speaker 2>kind of hide behind my hands. So yeah, definitely return

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<v Speaker 2>to OZ. Terrifying movie. Highly recommend and a child can

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<v Speaker 2>watch it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, totally, especially if they're into horror, sort of like Chucky.

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<v Speaker 3>As you say, we have to discussed the cultural differences

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<v Speaker 3>with British horror and the week like the fairy Tales.

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<v Speaker 3>I was telling you, Oh, it's the very sanitized American

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<v Speaker 3>stuff we gee because like I didn't see that movie

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<v Speaker 3>be till I was way older, and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>this is terrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>You actually make a really good point, Joelle, because I

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<v Speaker 2>will also say for me, I have a book of

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<v Speaker 2>Grim's fairy Tales that I still have the same book

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<v Speaker 2>as like one of the few things I have from

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<v Speaker 2>when I was a kid, and that book was a

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<v Speaker 2>book I got from the bookshop where my mom worked,

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<v Speaker 2>and it had every single real Grim's fairy tale with

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<v Speaker 2>all the horrible ending. Oh, they're gonna they're gonna make

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<v Speaker 2>Cinderellis step mom. She's gonna have to dance to death

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<v Speaker 2>in iron shoes as a you know, punishment. Oh, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a work toes to get into see exactly. My favorite

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<v Speaker 2>one is like the mom who the step mom who

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<v Speaker 2>takes the place of her daughter, and I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is the Golden Goose girl and she makes the daughter

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<v Speaker 2>basically be her servant, and then when they find out

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<v Speaker 2>what she's done at the end, they're like, Babe, what

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<v Speaker 2>would you do? If somebody did this and she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, that's so bad, Like I would definitely

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<v Speaker 2>never do that. If that was me and I was

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<v Speaker 2>in charge, I would like put a barrel and I

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<v Speaker 2>would hammer nails into it and then I'd like roll

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<v Speaker 2>them down the highest hill and they were like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>guess what, bitch, you did it, and that's what we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do to you. And I was always like, Festival,

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<v Speaker 2>why didn't you just say like I would forgive them.

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<v Speaker 2>I would forgive them and just like give them a

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<v Speaker 2>nice easy life. No, like you set yourself up. But

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<v Speaker 2>those kind of Grim's fairy tales were definitely another big

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<v Speaker 2>entry point for me and show what about you as

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<v Speaker 2>the kid's horror maven that you are? What was your

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<v Speaker 2>entry point?

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<v Speaker 1>Ooh that I mean here, here's the problem with me

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<v Speaker 1>as as a living human being growing up throughout the years.

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<v Speaker 5>I did not start from a acute place like I

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<v Speaker 5>love Return Return of Uz used to be like my

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<v Speaker 5>favorite movie, and then also like watching The Whiz, Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>like was my foundational being. Like that's terrified, but at

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<v Speaker 5>the same time, like not too terrifying, because I'm just

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<v Speaker 5>like that's a lived experience, but like I didn't start

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<v Speaker 5>with like and I don't I don't suggest anybody start

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<v Speaker 5>from this place, but like I started my hard journey

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<v Speaker 5>with like the.

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<v Speaker 1>Essentials, where the essentials are not the essentials that a

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<v Speaker 1>kid should be watching at like maybe like six or

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<v Speaker 1>seven years old, Like I watched Rosemary's Baby very young.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my, I'm got And I watched The Exorcist wait

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<v Speaker 1>the word, and like that was like my entry points

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<v Speaker 1>of being like I love this. I think it's also

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<v Speaker 1>because of the fact that like I went to a

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<v Speaker 1>religious school and so like actually seeing like the Exorcist,

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<v Speaker 1>like on thing, I was just like I can get

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<v Speaker 1>possessed by a devil, but also like I'm not opposed

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<v Speaker 1>like that, I can just like project alvomina people like

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<v Speaker 1>I when I don't want to talk to them, what

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<v Speaker 1>but I will say. Like my my soft introduction to

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<v Speaker 1>horror had to be like William Castle movie. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen thirteen Ghosts was my number one thing. I used

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<v Speaker 1>to watch it all the time. I had to, like because.

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<v Speaker 4>We didn't have like those what is that called?

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<v Speaker 1>It was like the gimmick that he had for thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>Ghosts with like the red to see red to not

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<v Speaker 1>see the ghost and the blue to see the ghosts

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<v Speaker 1>or was it the opposite way, Like I had to

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<v Speaker 1>make shift that when I was a kid because I

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<v Speaker 1>really wanted to see all the ghosts and but like

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<v Speaker 1>he was my intro intro and I think also Alfred Hitchcock, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which you would nobody would expect that, But it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like I started.

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<v Speaker 4>With Rope and then went to Psyche.

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<v Speaker 2>Was another one. I I got that from the I

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<v Speaker 2>got that from the film shop in Stoke, Newington with

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<v Speaker 2>my friend Donal when we were both about ten and

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<v Speaker 2>Wrope was like a very formative one for me too

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<v Speaker 2>well so, and I think you strike on something really good.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, let's add it to the recommendation list.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're listening to this and you're not sure if

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<v Speaker 2>you love horror, I would say William Castle movies are

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<v Speaker 2>a fantastic place to start. House On Haunted Hill is

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<v Speaker 2>one of my all time favorite movies and one of

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<v Speaker 2>my most rewatched movies. It's streaming everywhere for free vincent price,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is like totally fun, totally cozy, totally watchable

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<v Speaker 2>and totally not terrifying in a modern context.

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<v Speaker 1>And like every single time you watch it, you get something,

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<v Speaker 1>you do it. It's almost just like you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like see the relationship between like between the price and

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<v Speaker 1>wife and you're just like, that's toxic as hell. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want that. But at the same exact time, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like if I get to like like if I

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<v Speaker 1>get to like give her her come uppins at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, it's like karma is It's like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>thank You's Joelle.

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<v Speaker 3>Shuirlie Jackson or the hell out of the Hunting.

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<v Speaker 2>Film literally okay, okay, oh my god, seriously, The Haunting,

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<v Speaker 2>the Zero's one. I will say, let's add that to

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<v Speaker 2>the list too, because that was a big movie for

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<v Speaker 2>me as a kid, Liam Neeson. Tons of people in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Matthew Lillard is in that movie. I may be

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<v Speaker 2>imagining it. If not, he's definitely in the thirteen Ghost

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<v Speaker 2>remake and he's wonderful. But The Haunting, I watched that

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<v Speaker 2>at my friend Alex's house, and I remember really deeply

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<v Speaker 2>feeling like I was worried about watching it, but then

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<v Speaker 2>when I watched it was totally watchable and like an

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<v Speaker 2>easy way. Catherine Zia Jones is in that movie. I

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<v Speaker 2>watched it recently. Again, she's fantastic. So that's another great one, Joelle,

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<v Speaker 2>good call. Even the bad ones, even the bad Shirley

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson adaptations are usually good because she did so much

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<v Speaker 2>brilliant stuff. Joelle, what is what was your early horror

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<v Speaker 2>entry point?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure? Okay, So I had a father who was uninterested

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<v Speaker 3>in what was age appropriate. He was just very excited

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<v Speaker 3>to share a movie. So I if I like Zack

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<v Speaker 3>the memory of like her film watching right, my earliest

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<v Speaker 3>memory is I'm like four, I think, yeah, I would

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<v Speaker 3>have been four watching Jurassic Park. Wow. And my brother's too.

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<v Speaker 3>And when the dinosaur comes in, he's not about it.

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<v Speaker 3>It is horrifying. I'm leaning full tilt in my seat,

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<v Speaker 3>like what, I terrified? But I love it. And the

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<v Speaker 3>kids are so like I feel like children in that

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<v Speaker 3>movie that it was very easy to like sort of

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<v Speaker 3>just grab yourself onto them and be like, how am

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<v Speaker 3>I gonna like right away from dinosaurs? And it's so

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<v Speaker 3>scary and I really loved it. Okay. The next one

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<v Speaker 3>is crazy. It's insane. Alec Baldwin in nineteen ninety four

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<v Speaker 3>made a movie called The Shadow No Talk there. That's

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<v Speaker 3>a comic, sharp toothed im like metal demon that comes

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<v Speaker 3>to light. It's so scary. I had nightmares and my

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<v Speaker 3>dad was like, how are you afraid of this movie?

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<v Speaker 3>He was embarrassed and child me. He was like, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not even scary, it's a movie, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>it's horrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, you just touch on something really interesting there,

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<v Speaker 2>which I do think another entry point to horror is

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<v Speaker 2>like movies that are not meant to be scary. I

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<v Speaker 2>always remember I went to see The Mask at the

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<v Speaker 2>cinema and at the end when the villain, this guy

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<v Speaker 2>put on the mask and he kind of looked like Frankenstein.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so so scared of that. That definitely was

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<v Speaker 2>like way scarier to me than some of the out

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<v Speaker 2>there adult stuff i'd seen that I probably didn't really understand.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think you touch on something really good. And also,

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<v Speaker 2>of course bringing it back to comics, Joel, you're sort

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<v Speaker 2>on brand. You're so fantastic. You know what we need.

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<v Speaker 3>I try to stay in this, trying to stay in

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<v Speaker 3>the realm.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, what's your next one? What's your next one? We're

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<v Speaker 2>coming up with quite a good list, and I will

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<v Speaker 2>say this list will be in the show notes, so

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<v Speaker 2>then you can easily go through it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so okay, So then I get shown, uh trap,

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<v Speaker 3>what is the sit here? It's a it's like a

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<v Speaker 3>war movie with the bugs movie to you, not a

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<v Speaker 3>terrifying movie. But saw it as it was coming out

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<v Speaker 3>way to really the whipping scene freaked me out, and

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<v Speaker 3>but again there was and then the bugs. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>like bugs, like this is so much, But something about

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<v Speaker 3>like challenging yourself to sit down and watch and stay

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<v Speaker 3>through to the end became like really addicting to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, I can watch things that terrify me,

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<v Speaker 3>get the feeling of fear with the knowledge of safety,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think I got really into that. So then

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<v Speaker 3>I got like my actual like starter horror I think

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<v Speaker 3>would be like The Nightmare before Christmas. I would just

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<v Speaker 3>repeat the intro over and over again a long time

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<v Speaker 3>ago long. But now then it seemed I was take

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<v Speaker 3>me away to a magical fantasy world. Is that scary

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<v Speaker 3>and also romantic? Listen, I straight up will step in.

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<v Speaker 3>I was this is so great, and from there anything

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<v Speaker 3>which is spooky. I think what really made me feel

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<v Speaker 3>like an independent horror fan Because I had older cousins

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<v Speaker 3>and my dad would show me. You know, we watched

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<v Speaker 3>Nose Faratu when I was young, and like every Sunday,

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<v Speaker 3>my dad and I would watch an old movie and

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<v Speaker 3>he would like oorate the history of the movie and

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<v Speaker 3>then his personal history with the movies. It was like

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<v Speaker 3>learning about him and learning about films and like history.

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<v Speaker 3>But I discovered on my own Dead Silence, and that

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<v Speaker 3>became the movie that like defined a young like cinophile

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<v Speaker 3>Joel where I was like, no one has seen it,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's such a problem for me because it is

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<v Speaker 3>great horror films of all time. Please sit down and

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<v Speaker 3>watch it. It's got creepy dolls, a great witchy old lady,

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<v Speaker 3>like a cranky I love a cranky old man. Like really,

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<v Speaker 3>my whole life, I've been like, where's the cranky old

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<v Speaker 3>man I can be best friends with? And I'll just

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<v Speaker 3>be like the sunshine to your crank, Like I really

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<v Speaker 3>want it. I'm gonna manifest it one day. Anyway, I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, he's cranky old detective and he's mad at everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>There are gruesome, horrifying kills, but it's funny as hell.

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<v Speaker 3>I love Dead Silence, and I really felt like okay,

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<v Speaker 3>having this movie and it's a childish thing. But like

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<v Speaker 3>having this movie and being quote the only one who's

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<v Speaker 3>seen it. Yeah, it made me feel like special and

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<v Speaker 3>connected and that I would get into behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 3>And I really kicked off like a DVD journey where

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, look at all these great movies, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>that wouldn't reach my four I think we had like

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<v Speaker 3>six theaters, seven inside of my one movie theater, and

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<v Speaker 3>so we didn't get all of the movies that were out.

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<v Speaker 3>It was really up to the theater manager. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so that's that's sort of how I got into it.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was my first like I loved like the

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<v Speaker 3>little doll, like this is my first monster that I'm

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<v Speaker 3>like really connected to. That's not you know, your stereotypical

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<v Speaker 3>like Jason and stuff. So anyway, that's what I got into.

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<v Speaker 3>I really liked it. And then for me, it like

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it made me feel bold. Do you

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<v Speaker 3>guys remember watching Okay, two questions, how did like watching

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<v Speaker 3>horror early make you feel? And then two did anyone

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<v Speaker 3>think you were strange for how much you were into

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<v Speaker 3>horror as a child?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Man? And should go ahead baby?

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<v Speaker 1>Well for the second one, absolutely, especially like being because

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<v Speaker 1>like I primarily went to like mostly diverse schools, but

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<v Speaker 1>at the same exact time, in that diversity, it was

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<v Speaker 1>just like I was the weird kid.

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<v Speaker 4>I was always the weird kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a weird kid who loved comic books and

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<v Speaker 1>just really wanted to just talk about movies all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just wanted And then it was like at

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<v Speaker 1>a certain point, I'm just like, I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about horror for the rest of my life, and

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<v Speaker 1>I really just want to find like my people, and

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<v Speaker 1>I like kind of stay to myself and mom about

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<v Speaker 1>like my interests and what I liked until I became

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<v Speaker 1>an adult, and I was just like, I just get

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<v Speaker 1>to collect things.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I have adult money.

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<v Speaker 1>I get to do funny things with my adult money,

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<v Speaker 1>like collect a bunch of like horror DVDs, Like it's

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<v Speaker 1>too many now.

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<v Speaker 4>But at the same time, I'm just like when I stop,

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely not. But also what was the first question, I

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<v Speaker 4>just like the second question, like I understand and time.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember like the way that horror made you

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<v Speaker 2>feel when you were a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Ooh, it's gonna sound it's gonna sound strange, but it

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<v Speaker 1>made me feel like I wasn't alone anymore, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>could connect with a lot of like my seminal like

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<v Speaker 1>stuff coming up too was like a lot of like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, monster movies. So it was kind of just

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<v Speaker 1>like having like getting to sit there and getting to

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<v Speaker 1>watch like the monster and almost relating to the monster

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<v Speaker 1>in every single way. And it made me and then

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<v Speaker 1>like even growing up and like watching stuff like with

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<v Speaker 1>women that I really admire in horror and seeing the

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<v Speaker 1>Final Girls develop, and also watching a couple of like

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<v Speaker 1>movies that like I would never be into. I was

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<v Speaker 1>just like, this genre just doesn't it makes it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make me feel alone anymore. It makes me feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm watching something that will last long with me that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of outwardly looks at my emotions and kind of mirrors.

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<v Speaker 4>It back to me. And I need that a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Because think about think about what gets peddled to like

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<v Speaker 3>young girls as far as like this is what you

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<v Speaker 3>should be watching, or this is like like if I

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<v Speaker 3>like and listen, this is not a dis on anything.

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<v Speaker 3>I love a rom com. I love romance as a child.

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<v Speaker 3>Watching these things, I was like, the prize for all

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<v Speaker 3>this effort seems not worth it. I was very confused

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<v Speaker 3>most of the time when they were like I got

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<v Speaker 3>my guy, I like him, put you is not worth it,

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<v Speaker 3>that's not a worthwhile prize. Or you had princesses, which

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<v Speaker 3>I was where I was not, and so I was

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<v Speaker 3>like where do I go? But in horror you have

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<v Speaker 3>usually an extremely intelligent woman who's like, yo, the world terrifying,

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<v Speaker 3>check men awful, got it run like get out, like

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<v Speaker 3>use your brains, your wits high, and then she gets

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<v Speaker 3>to live hopefully at the end. What a win? Or

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<v Speaker 3>understand what you made me?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I felt seen, yes, and especially like growing up

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<v Speaker 1>after like a bunch of years and like how you said,

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of seeing like these different genres like take on,

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<v Speaker 1>especially women because it's kind of just like I can't

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<v Speaker 1>relate to like like Jennifer Lopez, like getting hauled in

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<v Speaker 1>the back of like a chuck and that like out

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<v Speaker 1>of sight, Like I can't like I can't relate to

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<v Speaker 1>like Jennifer Aniston. I can't relate to like any of

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<v Speaker 1>these people, Like I can't even relate to like Sanah

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<v Speaker 1>Lathan and like loving basketball, I would love you, but

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, I'm like.

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<v Speaker 3>Not having the same experiperiences walking down the street, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and the films made it very clear, and Catwoman.

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<v Speaker 4>We absolutely can't.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, also, but you can relate to

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<v Speaker 2>Sona Lethan as one of the original Black final Girls

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<v Speaker 2>in a VP because suddenly you survive this terrible experience

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not based around some kind of beautiful version

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<v Speaker 2>of what like love is supposed to be some cinematic thing. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>it's about surviving a really terrible job which we all

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<v Speaker 2>have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe getting down with a predators.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, you know, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys have kind of perfectly segued into us, into the

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<v Speaker 2>why of it all. So I think we've really a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of like why it spoke to us early on,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think I think that that idea of safety

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<v Speaker 2>while exploring what scares us is huge. I will also

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<v Speaker 2>say for myself, I definitely did have some road bumps

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<v Speaker 2>on the way because I have I definitely struggle with

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<v Speaker 2>like rumination and I saw this absolutely fantastic movie, seminal

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<v Speaker 2>movie called Cube at Sleepover when I was around eleven

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<v Speaker 2>years old, and it absolutely just destroyed me for like

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<v Speaker 2>two years where I was just like I couldn't I

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<v Speaker 2>was so worried about the idea of waking up somewhere else,

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<v Speaker 2>like not being in control of where I was. And

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<v Speaker 2>now years later I'm like, oh, it's because your parents

0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:53.160
<v Speaker 2>were going through a divorce and everything was like mad

0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 2>fucked up at home. So even in that way, even

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<v Speaker 2>though at the time it felt like it was solely

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<v Speaker 2>about cube and this terrifying nature of those kind of

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:04.280
<v Speaker 2>trap rooms horror where you wake up somewhere else, my

0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 2>body and my brain were using horror to process something

0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:09.919
<v Speaker 2>I was going through. So even though it wasn't a

0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:12.719
<v Speaker 2>pleasant experience, I look upon that as a way that

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<v Speaker 2>even back then, horror was helping me deal with something

0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:21.639
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't process in real life. So I was using

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:24.480
<v Speaker 2>fiction to process it, which I think is a huge

0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:27.320
<v Speaker 2>thing for a lot of us. And I do think

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<v Speaker 2>as well that you both touched on something really fantastic,

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:34.440
<v Speaker 2>which is the nature of like women in Horror and

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:39.520
<v Speaker 2>the Final Girl and why that is so kind of

0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:41.960
<v Speaker 2>profound for a lot of us. Like Joelle, you said,

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<v Speaker 2>at the end, she gets to survive, you know, like,

0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:48.760
<v Speaker 2>isn't that just all what we want really at the

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<v Speaker 2>end is like can we can we survive something terrible

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 2>that happens to us, and do we get to do

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<v Speaker 2>it in a way that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's almost always like a bright new day exactly.

0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's always like the sun is coming out there

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:07.200
<v Speaker 3>getting away, even if the monsters are fully consumed or crushed,

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 3>like they're trapped in a way that immediately gives them

0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:13.640
<v Speaker 3>like a head start to get away. And it's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of the reasons this might be a segway. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>the Drag Me to Hell? What's so profound for me?

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<v Speaker 3>And I think potentially the starter horror it's oh man,

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 3>like you just you think she's out there?

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, I think you touch on something really

0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 2>important because as you grow with horror, we know the tropes,

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.439
<v Speaker 2>we learn the tropes, we love the tropes, we know

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 2>the final girls. Then we start delving into like where

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 2>does the final Girl come from? Well, actually it comes

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 2>from black exploitation horror. It comes from Scream, Dracula Scream,

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:50.000
<v Speaker 2>it comes from you know, uh ganjen Hess like and

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:52.679
<v Speaker 2>as you learn more, then a movie like Dragged Me

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:56.360
<v Speaker 2>to Hell, which sets up a trope you think you understand,

0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 2>but then takes it away from you and takes away

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:03.200
<v Speaker 2>the expectation becomes very powerful and becomes very shocking.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a question for you guys as creators of this.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I was gonna go to Joe so clever,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, not so linked.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm curious of, like we know the power of horror.

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:17.760
<v Speaker 3>We've talked a lot about how it's impacted our lives.

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 3>Maybe these big, like monumental changes in our lives, and

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 3>that sort of guided us in how we you ourselves

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 3>When you're crafting horror for younger audiences, do you guys

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:31.639
<v Speaker 3>We kind of asked arl Stein the same question, do

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:34.640
<v Speaker 3>you guys have like a directive in mind? Is there

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.840
<v Speaker 3>something you're trying to do with the horror insha?

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<v Speaker 2>I would say go for it, because I do feel

0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 2>like the supernatural feel guides. They feel like you are

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 2>trying to make that connection known to kids, and you're

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 2>giving them this space where it's okay to explore. So

0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 2>is that something that you were like intentionally going in

0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:54.480
<v Speaker 2>with that you wanted to make them feel less alone?

0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Or is that something that just comes from your own

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 2>experience that you end up putting into these books.

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 4>I think a little bit of both.

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I think that I like don't want like I always

0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 1>used to say, like I don't want to sugarcoat things

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 1>because things are like there's some important aspects to a

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:20.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of what goes into the supernatural, what goes into

0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:23.320
<v Speaker 1>our open mindedness, and what goes into having an open

0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 1>heart that like you had you you would want to explore.

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>So with a lot of the Supernatural books, the thing

0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 1>that I really wanted to get through to everybody, and

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I know the entire core team did too, was like

0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 1>keep an open mind, keep an open heart, and just

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:41.040
<v Speaker 1>keep an open, like you know, perspective of like what

0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 1>could happen in the world. For me writing it, it's

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 1>very difficult because I'm just like I just I want

0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>to tell you all the gross, gritty gory details about

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>like anything that's going to happen. And I even kind

0:29:56.320 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>of like fought a little bit to have Chilling with Ghosts,

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 1>like a little section just about death, yeah, because I

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 1>was just like, we have to we have to tell

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 1>them like this is what it is, like, this is

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:13.959
<v Speaker 1>just how it goes anyway. So like yeah, so it's

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of just like from the start to the finish,

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 1>this is what we need and this is what I

0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 1>want to bring to the table. And I think because

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 1>of my own experience with horror in general, and then

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 1>also like keeping that open mind and open heartness for

0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, going through all these supernatural journeys and having

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 1>like some supernatural things like happen to me and myself.

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 1>So it was kind of just like I just want

0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>everybody to have a good time, but also this is

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>so hard. Yeah, so I want to break. I wanted

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:52.880
<v Speaker 1>to bring that dual perspective, but yeah, it's it's a

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 1>but in me writing it, it's a little difficult because

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>like again I just want to bring you all of

0:30:57.840 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the gory details about like this is what happens when

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 1>you get mammifha.

0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean stuff like when I was a kid, I

0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 2>had I had gotten a copy, a second hand copy

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 2>from like a car boot sale, of the Poisonous Handbook,

0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 2>and it was just like all that it was just

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 2>really scary things. In England we have this great series

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 2>called Horrible Histories where they do tell you about how

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>you get mummified and which kings died from people shoving

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 2>like hot spikes up their butts while they were sleeping

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 2>and all this kind of grotesque stuff. And I think

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 2>now like kid's horror has transitioned into this place of

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 2>YouTube of five Nights at Freddy's, games like Granny, these

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of terrifying things that are helping kids find that

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:47.959
<v Speaker 2>that space. I have yet. I've done one true kid's horror,

0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 2>which was The Haunted High Tops, and that was really

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 2>great because it had a framework of like a Twilight

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Zone esque twist. So I think that was something that

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 2>was really fun for me to play with. And with that,

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 2>there was some really interesting thing balance, because, like you're saying, Shure,

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 2>you want to show something that's scary or real, but

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 2>you've got to work out like what can I show

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:13.080
<v Speaker 2>what's acceptable? And in that story, as the title may

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 2>have hinted, it was about a pair of haunted trainers

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:20.240
<v Speaker 2>who haunted sneakers, and the idea was when he put

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:22.960
<v Speaker 2>them on, he would become really fast, he would get

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, good good at pee people are celebrating him,

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 2>but he can't control them, kind of like the Red Shoes.

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 2>And so there was a moment where I wanted to

0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 2>show how do you show that something scary is happening,

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 2>because so far we've only really seen the good. It's

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 2>it's eerie, but it's good. He's good. At class people

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:44.400
<v Speaker 2>his friend is like, bro, something's going wrong here. So

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, I think I'm going to have him.

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 2>We established early on that he loves animals, so on

0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 2>the way home, I'm going to have it so that

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 2>the shoes try and kick a dog, like they try

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 2>and kick this dog that he knows in the neighborhood.

0:32:57.400 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 2>And it was such a fine balance of like making

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 2>sure that he didn't actually kick the dog, like he

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 2>the shoe takes over and he kicks, and he manages

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.240
<v Speaker 2>to stop it and he kind of kicks a trash can,

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 2>but like with my editor, we had to be like,

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 2>he can't hurt the dog, Like that's like the step

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 2>too far, you know. And I think that kind of

0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 2>thing is very interesting because I do think for a

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:20.239
<v Speaker 2>lot of us when we're young, a lot of our

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:23.880
<v Speaker 2>empathy is towards like animals, and those are the stories.

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Like one of the things that traumatized me the most

0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 2>before Cube was The Fox and the Hound. By the

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 2>end of it, I was just absolutely like I was

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 2>done for. There was absolutely no me like it was

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:40.480
<v Speaker 2>it was the children. Yeah, like Disney has done a

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 2>lot of damage to a lot of us. But Joelle

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 2>as you as somebody who is also a storyteller and

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 2>who is into genre storytelling, Like what draws you to horror?

0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 2>Why is that something that you want to explore as

0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:58.400
<v Speaker 2>a genre for all ages? Like what is it that

0:33:58.640 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 2>makes you want to say, this is the thing I'm

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:02.000
<v Speaker 2>going to invest my time in.

0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 3>I think, in the same reason that I was like

0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:08.839
<v Speaker 3>drawn into true crime more than I create a lot

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 3>of history books that specifically center around war. I am

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:20.799
<v Speaker 3>vastly curious about the depths of destruction man is capable of,

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:25.800
<v Speaker 3>and I think that horror gives us an outlet to

0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:29.319
<v Speaker 3>explore that in a safe way, and it also has

0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 3>great survival tips. I really appreciate its, like, actually, people

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:38.799
<v Speaker 3>can be really cruel. Be aware here, like people that

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:41.240
<v Speaker 3>smile might not be smiling you for the right reasons.

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 3>Like that sort of vibes like sort of like a

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 3>candy man as situation, where like the villain is not

0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:52.719
<v Speaker 3>who you think it is. Like that to me is

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 3>really appealing because I think I I grew up very

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 3>sheltered and with a lot of privilege and love, and

0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:03.400
<v Speaker 3>I horror sort of brought me into the real world

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:06.840
<v Speaker 3>in a way that was necessary as a kid, you know,

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 3>I think if you're for all really for all children,

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:12.960
<v Speaker 3>like at some point you learn, hopefully not too soon,

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 3>but like the world can be a really scary place,

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 3>and horror gives us a space to process that fear

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:22.399
<v Speaker 3>and try and try to figure out how we want

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 3>to manage it. And I like that a lot about horror.

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:26.719
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of my favorite I was thinking

0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:30.200
<v Speaker 3>about what stories brought me into horror, because the movies

0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:32.600
<v Speaker 3>are really about like the visual images and like the

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 3>immediate sensation, whereas horror for me in books is much

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 3>more cerebral and like my favorite books were like The

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Green Ribbon and The Yellow Wallpaper over and over again,

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 3>classic writing like Seminal Horror.

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:48.240
<v Speaker 4>Wait, I'm sorry.

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 1>You also love the Yellow Wall Oh yeah.

0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:53.960
<v Speaker 3>At a very early age I was reading it obsessively.

0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 4>Nobody that I ever known. I love The Yellow Wallpaper.

0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:02.280
<v Speaker 1>I had like four different copies of that book because

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:02.880
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:06.399
<v Speaker 2>So Listening to the beginning, the beginning.

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:09.280
<v Speaker 6>Of a viewiful friendship is here, guys, I have appeal

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:25.719
<v Speaker 6>that it's here. I Joel, I think you also touched

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.680
<v Speaker 6>on something really fantastic, which we can kind of talk

0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 6>about a little before we go is. Let's talk a

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:34.799
<v Speaker 6>little bit about books, because I do think that's a

0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:37.040
<v Speaker 6>huge thing folklore tales.

0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:39.759
<v Speaker 2>The Green Ribbon. Everyone knows that one Yellow Wallpaper. You

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:43.319
<v Speaker 2>two are both queens of taste, clearly because that is

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:45.920
<v Speaker 2>just one of the most fantastic stories ever written written

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 2>by Charlotte Charlotte Perkins Gilman from like the late eighteen hundreds.

0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:53.560
<v Speaker 2>But let's talk a little bit about how books were

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:56.720
<v Speaker 2>also that kind of space, because I was reading books

0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 2>I definitely should have been reading as a kid, but

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:03.239
<v Speaker 2>I felt a lot of safety within that space to explore.

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Like I was reading reading Clive Barker, I was reading

0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:10.279
<v Speaker 2>scary stories to tell in the dark, which I'm sorry,

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:12.360
<v Speaker 2>but those are some of the most terrifying stories of

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:15.840
<v Speaker 2>all time. I was reading Stephen King.

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:17.840
<v Speaker 3>So I didn't realized the Green Ribbon is from a

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:19.719
<v Speaker 3>book of like I read Level two.

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I know, I'm like that, guys like terrifying.

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:26.719
<v Speaker 4>An entire generation.

0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:30.240
<v Speaker 2>In show what was some of your kind of first

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:34.319
<v Speaker 2>horror books that you that you kind of found that

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 2>space in.

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 1>The Hunting of Hill House was.

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Shelly Jackson for Life, Carrie, Oh, yeah, def I

0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:45.840
<v Speaker 2>read that very because Carrie.

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.640
<v Speaker 1>It's so The thing about like Carrie too is Carrie

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 1>is so when you're growing up at a certain as

0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:56.080
<v Speaker 1>I was growing up that like in the nineties. It

0:37:56.239 --> 0:38:00.359
<v Speaker 1>was like my first actual horror book. Yeah, and it's

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:04.279
<v Speaker 1>still very much like I think it. I think about

0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:07.759
<v Speaker 1>it all the time. I love every iteration of the

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Carry movies because I'm just like they all bring a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit something different to the story. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, that book, that book will never ever ever

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<v Speaker 1>leave my mind. Pet Cemetery was also another one because like,

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<v Speaker 1>I was dealing with a lot of animal grief at

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<v Speaker 1>a certain point in my life and that one really

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 1>helped a lot. And it helped me because I just

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 1>recently lost my cat, so like it helped me again

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<v Speaker 1>like process those emotions.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh no, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>And oh god, you know what, Okay, it's not a

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:49.520
<v Speaker 1>horror book. But I feel like, if I mean the

0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:52.879
<v Speaker 1>the adaptation is basically all the adaptations are basically sci

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 1>fi horror. Who goes Oh yeah, yeah, because it is

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<v Speaker 1>terrifying actually to read it and you are kind of

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 1>like not expecting it's basically like, so who Goes There

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<v Speaker 1>is basically like the adaptation that became or the book

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<v Speaker 1>that became the Thing and the Things from Other World. Yeah,

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and it's so weirdly well done. Also Invasion of the

0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Body Snatchers, the original issues.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't read the book, so I'm going to download

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<v Speaker 3>it immediately as soon as we get off of this call.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was obsessed with the original movie, like the

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:35.080
<v Speaker 3>original Household in the Hill, the Invasion of the Body Snatchers,

0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:37.719
<v Speaker 3>those were like very early film. My dad was like,

0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:39.880
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna love these and he was like one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>percent right, like this idea of like who is inside

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:46.040
<v Speaker 3>of these bodies? Or especially I think when you're like

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 3>I was introduced as a preteen, right, so I'm like

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<v Speaker 3>thirteen fourteen somewhere in there, and I remember identifying the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that all my friends felt like they were changing

0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:56.920
<v Speaker 3>really fast. Yeah, we're all in the stage of evolving

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<v Speaker 3>really quickly. And it was like, who are these people

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<v Speaker 3>that I thought I knew yesterday that are feel completely

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<v Speaker 3>different that's the day. And I was like totally drawn in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is so it is social. It's so like

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<v Speaker 1>emotionally devastating to like if you if you read that,

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 1>then also do a double feature and read the Stepford wise,

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<v Speaker 1>the control, the control over your body in these books done.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you read an Era like an Ira eleven book,

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<v Speaker 1>like even if you read like The Rosemary Baby like

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<v Speaker 1>the original book. No, like I had to do my

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<v Speaker 1>entire final senior thesis of college and I was so

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 1>happy I did. It was literally the agency of Rosemary's

0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:45.040
<v Speaker 1>like Rosemary's body a Rosemary's Baby, and I was so

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:48.239
<v Speaker 1>excited because I was just like she had none the end.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're like, this is this is an easy argument

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<v Speaker 2>to make. Well, I want to say I want to

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<v Speaker 2>say thank you to inch of for joining us. I

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 2>want to say thank you to Joe All for joining

0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:03.799
<v Speaker 2>me and coasting on this. I also want to say

0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:05.359
<v Speaker 2>it's very clear that this is not the last time

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:06.920
<v Speaker 2>the three of us are going to be on our podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm very happy this happened because I'm sensing some

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:14.760
<v Speaker 2>magic is happening here. And as it is with Xtra Vision,

0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:18.560
<v Speaker 2>we like to end the episodes with a fast moving segment.

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<v Speaker 2>So today we're going to do a version of Who's

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<v Speaker 2>Who Where. I just want to ask you, guys, for

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:26.120
<v Speaker 2>those of us who have listened to the podcast, who

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:28.239
<v Speaker 2>are big horror fans who are like, wow, I love

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 2>listening to this. This is very nice. But I'm not

0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:33.680
<v Speaker 2>a scaredy cat, like I'm watching all the best horror.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the two scariest movies you've seen recently? For

0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:41.400
<v Speaker 2>those who want to actually get a terrifying scare after

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<v Speaker 2>this episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I got it. Okay, I'm going to give you

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<v Speaker 3>two all timers. Wait, but I can't remember the name

0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:52.719
<v Speaker 3>of one. When y'all are over my please.

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<v Speaker 2>Barbarian, Barbarian.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, here we go, here we go. Okay. If you

0:41:57.560 --> 0:42:00.319
<v Speaker 3>have not yet seen Barbarian, hopefully you know one has

0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:03.960
<v Speaker 3>spoken to you about this film. Okay, so don't know

0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:06.840
<v Speaker 3>anything about don't research it, don't look at a review.

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 3>It's not worth it. You'll ruin it. Don't do it.

0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:12.720
<v Speaker 3>Just go watch if you're a person who loves horror,

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:15.719
<v Speaker 3>because every second of that movie, you are on the

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 3>edge of your seat. You're like, don't open the door.

0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:17.680
<v Speaker 2>What's going on?

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 3>Don't don't open that door? Down you're going down, there's

0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:23.320
<v Speaker 3>another door.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't do that.

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:27.000
<v Speaker 3>The whole time you're just screaming. You can't believe the

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 3>way they set up the haunted house to just constantly

0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:32.319
<v Speaker 3>get more. It's just there's just more of this house

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 3>than you ever thought possible, and it's terrifying, and when

0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:36.400
<v Speaker 3>you think you're out, you're not.

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<v Speaker 4>Really.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna say anything more about this film, but literally,

0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:43.040
<v Speaker 3>I just the layers of horror it watches over you

0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:47.360
<v Speaker 3>repeatedly is to me and idealizes way to experience horror.

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<v Speaker 3>I love Listen. I love a classic monster movie. There's

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 3>nothing wrong with it. Those are great. But when you

0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:55.680
<v Speaker 3>are psychologically destroying me, that's what I'm most happy. I

0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:57.880
<v Speaker 3>don't know why it's a problem, but it's so good.

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:00.239
<v Speaker 3>And maybe I just have a fear of going down

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<v Speaker 3>because my other thing is always what I tell people

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 3>to watch when I talk about horror, which is The Descent.

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:07.480
<v Speaker 2>So scary.

0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:10.920
<v Speaker 3>You should watch The Descent because horror. Should watch The

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<v Speaker 3>Descent for the betrayal you will never Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>I love a film that makes me go, how are

0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:16.080
<v Speaker 3>you ever?

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 4>Friends?

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:17.040
<v Speaker 1>What?

0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:20.719
<v Speaker 3>Why? Love yourself more?

0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:28.800
<v Speaker 2>What you deserve? Better you?

0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 4>What?

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<v Speaker 2>What are your two scariest movies you've watched lately?

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<v Speaker 4>Rewatch Death Game.

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<v Speaker 1>That is, it is psychologically abusive to no end, but

0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:45.279
<v Speaker 1>at the same exact time good for the girls her movie.

0:43:46.320 --> 0:43:47.960
<v Speaker 2>It's a big good for her movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Big it's a good for her movie, and nobody can

0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:54.080
<v Speaker 1>tell me different, because that man deserves to go down

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<v Speaker 1>as he did.

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<v Speaker 4>I do not.

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<v Speaker 1>Agree with the I do not agree with the ending,

0:43:57.440 --> 0:43:59.480
<v Speaker 1>nor do I agree with the eli roth Rey Make

0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Knock No, do you not see the original Death Game?

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<v Speaker 4>And also Cuckoo, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I've heard good things.

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Cuckoo was a movie that, like I, I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>was just like, I don't know what's going on in

0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 1>this for the rude, it has so much good vibes.

0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Hunter Schaeffer and Dan Stevens just do it all for me.

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:28.160
<v Speaker 1>The premises bonkers, the excitement level of what's happening, the

0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:31.440
<v Speaker 1>scenes that keep building and building and building to like

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<v Speaker 1>this weird bird esque conclusion. You're just flapping your wings

0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:39.760
<v Speaker 1>as they're flapping their wings in order to get it together,

0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:40.799
<v Speaker 1>and it is.

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<v Speaker 4>It is incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Please please also watch anything that Tillman does.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I'm gonna leave us with me and Jason

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<v Speaker 2>did an episode of a show called two Scared Didn't watch,

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<v Speaker 2>and we watched the first omen for it, and I

0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:03.800
<v Speaker 2>actually thought it was really good. Had a lot of

0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 2>really scary imagery, some of the most shocking imagery that

0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:09.399
<v Speaker 2>I've seen in a while. I was loving it, big

0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:12.920
<v Speaker 2>fan of that. Yeah, there was some moments. There was

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:15.120
<v Speaker 2>some moments maybe I thought it was really great, very

0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Possession inspired. If you haven't seen Possession and you love scares,

0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:20.799
<v Speaker 2>go watch Possession. If you don't love scares, don't love

0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:23.440
<v Speaker 2>with stuff, don't watch Possession. And I'm sorry if you

0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:27.160
<v Speaker 2>decide you're going to do it, But I will also say, yeah,

0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:30.840
<v Speaker 2>the Queen Isabella Johnny. I will also say because I

0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:32.560
<v Speaker 2>do feel like it went under the radar and I

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<v Speaker 2>think existentially a very powerful, scary and ultimately hopeful film

0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:43.200
<v Speaker 2>project for me was Mike Flanigan's Midnight Mass. And I

0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 2>think it's the perfect time, perfect time to revisit. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you like scares and you like incredible prestige TV,

0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:54.719
<v Speaker 2>and you like storytelling, and you like Roll Coolly and

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:57.919
<v Speaker 2>you like Kate Siegal and you also like actual, real

0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:02.279
<v Speaker 2>good disabled representation, and check out Midnight Mass. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and thank you all so much for listening to our

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 2>horry yapp fest, of which I'm sure there are gonna

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:08.640
<v Speaker 2>be many more.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Fay Jersey, Bye Bye, we did it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it for today's episode. Next week, we're back with

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<v Speaker 2>more coverage of the Penguin and Agathor all along, plus

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<v Speaker 2>some Halloween bonus episodes. Thank you for listening.

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