Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 2: My name is Rosie Night and I'm Joel Monique, and
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Speaker 2: Aaron for the new spooky edition of the theme song
Speaker 2: that you will be hearing for the entirety of October
Speaker 2: because we are just spooky guys over here and we
Speaker 2: love spooky Caesars.
Speaker 3: In today's episode, we're diving into the air lock. We're
Speaker 3: joined by the experts horror genre author Incha fits Pat
Speaker 3: and we get real girly with Incha about why we
Speaker 3: love to be scared in our favorite bab movies to
Speaker 3: dive into and get started on horror. So please enjoy
Speaker 3: that conversation. We had a lot of fun. Then we
Speaker 3: went on to Who's Who. Everyone will share their most
Speaker 3: terrifying movies they've seen recently. Ooh recent horror check it out?
Speaker 2: Oh baby. So yeah, if you are a scaredy cat
Speaker 2: and you want to know about start horror, we cover
Speaker 2: that and then in that Who's Who, Baby, we're going
Speaker 2: to be scaring you, so do not watch those if
Speaker 2: you are easily scared. And with that said, without further ado,
Speaker 2: let's get into our Halloween horror convo with the wonderful
Speaker 2: inch of Fitzpatrick woo So Joelle. The reason that we
Speaker 2: are exploring these two things today start a horror and
Speaker 2: why horror came from a conversation that we had with
Speaker 2: our super producers, who are not necessarily horror lovers and
Speaker 2: A Boo do not love horror movies?
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, it was funny when we pitched them in
Speaker 3: the meeting. We were like horror in October. They were like,
Speaker 3: I don't where would we even? What would we contribute?
Speaker 3: What would it happen? I was like, okay, we're going
Speaker 3: to divide and Concker. So they're actually working on a
Speaker 3: secret project that I cannot leave for this to reveal.
Speaker 3: And while they're doing that, the ladies of X ray
Speaker 3: Vision were like, were you in horror for October? Okay,
Speaker 3: we were embracing it, but A Boo had a great question.
Speaker 2: He was like, why horror? Like why do we like
Speaker 2: it as viewers? Why do we like it as creators?
Speaker 2: And we also have a lot of discord users and
Speaker 2: listeners in our amazing X ray vision community who don't
Speaker 2: love horror and who don't like gore, and who will
Speaker 2: listen to us talk about it but won't watch it themselves.
Speaker 2: So I also wanted to kind of dip into the
Speaker 2: idea of start a horror like, what's a good spooky
Speaker 2: thing to watch that isn't scary, but that you could
Speaker 2: test your boundaries with. So those are all the little
Speaker 2: magical ingredients going into our spooky season cauldron. And to
Speaker 2: join myself and Joelle, I wanted to make sure we
Speaker 2: had a horror expert and someone who was not only
Speaker 2: an expert in the very scary, gory, French new extremism
Speaker 2: spooky murder horror, but also an expert in kids horror.
Speaker 2: And that is why we are very happy to have
Speaker 2: the wonderful inch of Fitzpatrick joining us on the show.
Speaker 2: Insha is a New Jersey based author who loves all
Speaker 2: things horror. She's the writer of the Totally Factual Guide
Speaker 2: to the Supernatural series with Quirk Books, the graphic novels
Speaker 2: of Titchuba and Rosa Parks for hu HQ, and the
Speaker 2: co author of the graphic novel series Oh my Gods.
Speaker 2: When she is not writing, she's catching up on horror movies,
Speaker 2: learning to write TRPGs, and watching reality TV, as well
Speaker 2: as texting me because we became friends while I was
Speaker 2: covering the Total Factual Guide of the Supernatural series Inja.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us, Thank.
Speaker 4: You, thank you for having me. That was like a ballard.
Speaker 3: Because now I want to be besties with Inha too.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, write tabletop RPGs. We will
Speaker 3: have to chat after the call. There's not enough time.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 2: This is a three way call that could go on
Speaker 2: for a very long time, guys, but don't worry. This
Speaker 2: is gonna be snappy, well edited, beautifully smooth episode of
Speaker 2: Extra Vision, and the three of us will have a
Speaker 2: real freeway call off the air. But yes, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: just so happy to have you here.
Speaker 3: Yes, we're thrilled and I okay, I think a good
Speaker 3: introduction might be if we talk about, like our introductions
Speaker 3: to horror for sure, where we started, Rosie, if you
Speaker 3: told this story on Extra Vision before.
Speaker 2: I don't know that I have. I probably have mentioned
Speaker 2: it at different times, but I would definitely say there
Speaker 2: are some key horror moments for me. I had uncles
Speaker 2: who would show me wild to play, you know, Classic Chucky.
Speaker 3: That was definitely early one.
Speaker 2: We had a bootleg tape bootleg tape of Texas Chainsaw
Speaker 2: Massacre because that was banned in the UK till two
Speaker 2: thousand and one, so that definitely had a taboo moment.
Speaker 2: But I would say the most important. Those are both
Speaker 2: very scary and obviously not great start horror. But I
Speaker 2: will say the movie for me that I have talked
Speaker 2: that do not watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre if you are
Speaker 2: like a child. But those are not the recommendation. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm not your parent, But I would say
Speaker 2: for me, the most resounding movie that got me into
Speaker 2: horror and the genre as a whole as a child.
Speaker 2: In the UK, we only had four channels when I
Speaker 2: was growing up, BBC one, BBC two, ITV and Channel four,
Speaker 2: and those channels would regularly show kind of the same
Speaker 2: movies every Bank holiday, every time there was a long weekend.
Speaker 2: And one of the movies that they would always show
Speaker 2: is the very strange Disney sequel to Wizard of Oz
Speaker 2: that was called Return to Oz and it stars Ferusia
Speaker 2: Bulk as Dorothy. And when the movie begins, she is
Speaker 2: in an insane asylum and she is about to get
Speaker 2: electric shock treatment, but she escapes with the help of
Speaker 2: a chicken who takes her back to Oz. This is
Speaker 2: a real movie, guys, real movie, and takes her back
Speaker 2: to Oz where everyone has been turned to stone by
Speaker 2: an evil queen named mom Bey, who turns everyone to
Speaker 2: stone and then chops off people's heads and replaces her
Speaker 2: own head with other people's heads. It's still one of
Speaker 2: the scariest movies I've ever seen. I love it deeply.
Speaker 2: For years, it was very very hard to find. I
Speaker 2: have it on VHS, I have it on DVD, but
Speaker 2: fantastic news it is now on Disney Plus. One of
Speaker 2: the movies that got kind.
Speaker 3: To terrify all.
Speaker 2: The thing that actually scared me the most was none
Speaker 2: of what I've talked about. It was a creation that
Speaker 2: I do believe they made up for the movie. A
Speaker 2: lot of this stuff is from the frank Os later
Speaker 2: Wizard of Oz books, but they there is this creation
Speaker 2: called the Wheelies, and they go Their hands and legs
Speaker 2: are both like stilts that are attached to like roller
Speaker 2: skates and they look kind of like ravers or something,
Speaker 2: but they kind of chase Dorothy around Oz and when
Speaker 2: they come the music gets very chaotic and I was
Speaker 2: so so scared of them. But that was for me
Speaker 2: definitely the kids movie that I watched a lot that
Speaker 2: I it made me understand horror. I have memories of
Speaker 2: being scared of it, but I also started to think like, well,
Speaker 2: this is the kind of horror that I like, and
Speaker 2: I you know, Ferujah Bolk and that movie as Dorothy
Speaker 2: is essentially like a ten year old final girl, like
Speaker 2: she's gonna save the day, So I and a lot
Speaker 2: about it from horror. So that's definitely like was my
Speaker 2: real introduction rather than like the kind of spooky night
Speaker 2: stuff that I shouldn't have watched that really just scared me.
Speaker 2: That was the one that made me think like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe this is something that I could enjoy like, but
Speaker 2: it still scared me like a lot and I would
Speaker 2: kind of hide behind my hands. So yeah, definitely return
Speaker 2: to OZ. Terrifying movie. Highly recommend and a child can
Speaker 2: watch it.
Speaker 3: Yes, totally, especially if they're into horror, sort of like Chucky.
Speaker 3: As you say, we have to discussed the cultural differences
Speaker 3: with British horror and the week like the fairy Tales.
Speaker 3: I was telling you, Oh, it's the very sanitized American
Speaker 3: stuff we gee because like I didn't see that movie
Speaker 3: be till I was way older, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is terrifying.
Speaker 2: You actually make a really good point, Joelle, because I
Speaker 2: will also say for me, I have a book of
Speaker 2: Grim's fairy Tales that I still have the same book
Speaker 2: as like one of the few things I have from
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, and that book was a
Speaker 2: book I got from the bookshop where my mom worked,
Speaker 2: and it had every single real Grim's fairy tale with
Speaker 2: all the horrible ending. Oh, they're gonna they're gonna make
Speaker 2: Cinderellis step mom. She's gonna have to dance to death
Speaker 2: in iron shoes as a you know, punishment. Oh, there's
Speaker 2: a work toes to get into see exactly. My favorite
Speaker 2: one is like the mom who the step mom who
Speaker 2: takes the place of her daughter, and I think this
Speaker 2: is the Golden Goose girl and she makes the daughter
Speaker 2: basically be her servant, and then when they find out
Speaker 2: what she's done at the end, they're like, Babe, what
Speaker 2: would you do? If somebody did this and she's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that's so bad, Like I would definitely
Speaker 2: never do that. If that was me and I was
Speaker 2: in charge, I would like put a barrel and I
Speaker 2: would hammer nails into it and then I'd like roll
Speaker 2: them down the highest hill and they were like, well,
Speaker 2: guess what, bitch, you did it, and that's what we're
Speaker 2: gonna do to you. And I was always like, Festival,
Speaker 2: why didn't you just say like I would forgive them.
Speaker 2: I would forgive them and just like give them a
Speaker 2: nice easy life. No, like you set yourself up. But
Speaker 2: those kind of Grim's fairy tales were definitely another big
Speaker 2: entry point for me and show what about you as
Speaker 2: the kid's horror maven that you are? What was your
Speaker 2: entry point?
Speaker 1: Ooh that I mean here, here's the problem with me
Speaker 1: as as a living human being growing up throughout the years.
Speaker 5: I did not start from a acute place like I
Speaker 5: love Return Return of Uz used to be like my
Speaker 5: favorite movie, and then also like watching The Whiz, Yes,
Speaker 5: like was my foundational being. Like that's terrified, but at
Speaker 5: the same time, like not too terrifying, because I'm just
Speaker 5: like that's a lived experience, but like I didn't start
Speaker 5: with like and I don't I don't suggest anybody start
Speaker 5: from this place, but like I started my hard journey
Speaker 5: with like the.
Speaker 1: Essentials, where the essentials are not the essentials that a
Speaker 1: kid should be watching at like maybe like six or
Speaker 1: seven years old, Like I watched Rosemary's Baby very young.
Speaker 1: Oh my, I'm got And I watched The Exorcist wait
Speaker 1: the word, and like that was like my entry points
Speaker 1: of being like I love this. I think it's also
Speaker 1: because of the fact that like I went to a
Speaker 1: religious school and so like actually seeing like the Exorcist,
Speaker 1: like on thing, I was just like I can get
Speaker 1: possessed by a devil, but also like I'm not opposed
Speaker 1: like that, I can just like project alvomina people like
Speaker 1: I when I don't want to talk to them, what
Speaker 1: but I will say. Like my my soft introduction to
Speaker 1: horror had to be like William Castle movie. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: thirteen thirteen Ghosts was my number one thing. I used
Speaker 1: to watch it all the time. I had to, like because.
Speaker 4: We didn't have like those what is that called?
Speaker 1: It was like the gimmick that he had for thirteen
Speaker 1: Ghosts with like the red to see red to not
Speaker 1: see the ghost and the blue to see the ghosts
Speaker 1: or was it the opposite way, Like I had to
Speaker 1: make shift that when I was a kid because I
Speaker 1: really wanted to see all the ghosts and but like
Speaker 1: he was my intro intro and I think also Alfred Hitchcock, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which you would nobody would expect that, But it's just
Speaker 1: like I started.
Speaker 4: With Rope and then went to Psyche.
Speaker 2: Was another one. I I got that from the I
Speaker 2: got that from the film shop in Stoke, Newington with
Speaker 2: my friend Donal when we were both about ten and
Speaker 2: Wrope was like a very formative one for me too
Speaker 2: well so, and I think you strike on something really good.
Speaker 2: I would say, let's add it to the recommendation list.
Speaker 2: If you're listening to this and you're not sure if
Speaker 2: you love horror, I would say William Castle movies are
Speaker 2: a fantastic place to start. House On Haunted Hill is
Speaker 2: one of my all time favorite movies and one of
Speaker 2: my most rewatched movies. It's streaming everywhere for free vincent price,
Speaker 2: and it is like totally fun, totally cozy, totally watchable
Speaker 2: and totally not terrifying in a modern context.
Speaker 1: And like every single time you watch it, you get something,
Speaker 1: you do it. It's almost just like you kind of
Speaker 1: like see the relationship between like between the price and
Speaker 1: wife and you're just like, that's toxic as hell. I
Speaker 1: don't want that. But at the same exact time, it's
Speaker 1: just like if I get to like like if I
Speaker 1: get to like give her her come uppins at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's like karma is It's like, yes,
Speaker 1: thank You's Joelle.
Speaker 3: Shuirlie Jackson or the hell out of the Hunting.
Speaker 2: Film literally okay, okay, oh my god, seriously, The Haunting,
Speaker 2: the Zero's one. I will say, let's add that to
Speaker 2: the list too, because that was a big movie for
Speaker 2: me as a kid, Liam Neeson. Tons of people in that.
Speaker 2: Maybe Matthew Lillard is in that movie. I may be
Speaker 2: imagining it. If not, he's definitely in the thirteen Ghost
Speaker 2: remake and he's wonderful. But The Haunting, I watched that
Speaker 2: at my friend Alex's house, and I remember really deeply
Speaker 2: feeling like I was worried about watching it, but then
Speaker 2: when I watched it was totally watchable and like an
Speaker 2: easy way. Catherine Zia Jones is in that movie. I
Speaker 2: watched it recently. Again, she's fantastic. So that's another great one, Joelle,
Speaker 2: good call. Even the bad ones, even the bad Shirley
Speaker 2: Jackson adaptations are usually good because she did so much
Speaker 2: brilliant stuff. Joelle, what is what was your early horror
Speaker 2: entry point?
Speaker 3: Sure? Okay, So I had a father who was uninterested
Speaker 3: in what was age appropriate. He was just very excited
Speaker 3: to share a movie. So I if I like Zack
Speaker 3: the memory of like her film watching right, my earliest
Speaker 3: memory is I'm like four, I think, yeah, I would
Speaker 3: have been four watching Jurassic Park. Wow. And my brother's too.
Speaker 3: And when the dinosaur comes in, he's not about it.
Speaker 3: It is horrifying. I'm leaning full tilt in my seat,
Speaker 3: like what, I terrified? But I love it. And the
Speaker 3: kids are so like I feel like children in that
Speaker 3: movie that it was very easy to like sort of
Speaker 3: just grab yourself onto them and be like, how am
Speaker 3: I gonna like right away from dinosaurs? And it's so
Speaker 3: scary and I really loved it. Okay. The next one
Speaker 3: is crazy. It's insane. Alec Baldwin in nineteen ninety four
Speaker 3: made a movie called The Shadow No Talk there. That's
Speaker 3: a comic, sharp toothed im like metal demon that comes
Speaker 3: to light. It's so scary. I had nightmares and my
Speaker 3: dad was like, how are you afraid of this movie?
Speaker 3: He was embarrassed and child me. He was like, it's
Speaker 3: not even scary, it's a movie, and I was like,
Speaker 3: it's horrifying.
Speaker 2: No, No, you just touch on something really interesting there,
Speaker 2: which I do think another entry point to horror is
Speaker 2: like movies that are not meant to be scary. I
Speaker 2: always remember I went to see The Mask at the
Speaker 2: cinema and at the end when the villain, this guy
Speaker 2: put on the mask and he kind of looked like Frankenstein.
Speaker 2: I was so so scared of that. That definitely was
Speaker 2: like way scarier to me than some of the out
Speaker 2: there adult stuff i'd seen that I probably didn't really understand.
Speaker 2: So I think you touch on something really good. And also,
Speaker 2: of course bringing it back to comics, Joel, you're sort
Speaker 2: on brand. You're so fantastic. You know what we need.
Speaker 3: I try to stay in this, trying to stay in
Speaker 3: the realm.
Speaker 2: Anyway, what's your next one? What's your next one? We're
Speaker 2: coming up with quite a good list, and I will
Speaker 2: say this list will be in the show notes, so
Speaker 2: then you can easily go through it.
Speaker 3: Yes, so okay, So then I get shown, uh trap,
Speaker 3: what is the sit here? It's a it's like a
Speaker 3: war movie with the bugs movie to you, not a
Speaker 3: terrifying movie. But saw it as it was coming out
Speaker 3: way to really the whipping scene freaked me out, and
Speaker 3: but again there was and then the bugs. I don't
Speaker 3: like bugs, like this is so much, But something about
Speaker 3: like challenging yourself to sit down and watch and stay
Speaker 3: through to the end became like really addicting to me.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I can watch things that terrify me,
Speaker 3: get the feeling of fear with the knowledge of safety,
Speaker 3: and I think I got really into that. So then
Speaker 3: I got like my actual like starter horror I think
Speaker 3: would be like The Nightmare before Christmas. I would just
Speaker 3: repeat the intro over and over again a long time
Speaker 3: ago long. But now then it seemed I was take
Speaker 3: me away to a magical fantasy world. Is that scary
Speaker 3: and also romantic? Listen, I straight up will step in.
Speaker 3: I was this is so great, and from there anything
Speaker 3: which is spooky. I think what really made me feel
Speaker 3: like an independent horror fan Because I had older cousins
Speaker 3: and my dad would show me. You know, we watched
Speaker 3: Nose Faratu when I was young, and like every Sunday,
Speaker 3: my dad and I would watch an old movie and
Speaker 3: he would like oorate the history of the movie and
Speaker 3: then his personal history with the movies. It was like
Speaker 3: learning about him and learning about films and like history.
Speaker 3: But I discovered on my own Dead Silence, and that
Speaker 3: became the movie that like defined a young like cinophile
Speaker 3: Joel where I was like, no one has seen it,
Speaker 3: and it's such a problem for me because it is
Speaker 3: great horror films of all time. Please sit down and
Speaker 3: watch it. It's got creepy dolls, a great witchy old lady,
Speaker 3: like a cranky I love a cranky old man. Like really,
Speaker 3: my whole life, I've been like, where's the cranky old
Speaker 3: man I can be best friends with? And I'll just
Speaker 3: be like the sunshine to your crank, Like I really
Speaker 3: want it. I'm gonna manifest it one day. Anyway, I
Speaker 3: was like, he's cranky old detective and he's mad at everybody.
Speaker 3: There are gruesome, horrifying kills, but it's funny as hell.
Speaker 3: I love Dead Silence, and I really felt like okay,
Speaker 3: having this movie and it's a childish thing. But like
Speaker 3: having this movie and being quote the only one who's
Speaker 3: seen it. Yeah, it made me feel like special and
Speaker 3: connected and that I would get into behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: And I really kicked off like a DVD journey where
Speaker 3: I was like, look at all these great movies, maybe
Speaker 3: that wouldn't reach my four I think we had like
Speaker 3: six theaters, seven inside of my one movie theater, and
Speaker 3: so we didn't get all of the movies that were out.
Speaker 3: It was really up to the theater manager. And so yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's that's sort of how I got into it.
Speaker 3: And it was my first like I loved like the
Speaker 3: little doll, like this is my first monster that I'm
Speaker 3: like really connected to. That's not you know, your stereotypical
Speaker 3: like Jason and stuff. So anyway, that's what I got into.
Speaker 3: I really liked it. And then for me, it like
Speaker 3: I don't know, it made me feel bold. Do you
Speaker 3: guys remember watching Okay, two questions, how did like watching
Speaker 3: horror early make you feel? And then two did anyone
Speaker 3: think you were strange for how much you were into
Speaker 3: horror as a child?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Man? And should go ahead baby?
Speaker 1: Well for the second one, absolutely, especially like being because
Speaker 1: like I primarily went to like mostly diverse schools, but
Speaker 1: at the same exact time, in that diversity, it was
Speaker 1: just like I was the weird kid.
Speaker 4: I was always the weird kid.
Speaker 1: I was a weird kid who loved comic books and
Speaker 1: just really wanted to just talk about movies all the time.
Speaker 1: And I just wanted And then it was like at
Speaker 1: a certain point, I'm just like, I just want to
Speaker 1: talk about horror for the rest of my life, and
Speaker 1: I really just want to find like my people, and
Speaker 1: I like kind of stay to myself and mom about
Speaker 1: like my interests and what I liked until I became
Speaker 1: an adult, and I was just like, I just get
Speaker 1: to collect things.
Speaker 4: Now I have adult money.
Speaker 1: I get to do funny things with my adult money,
Speaker 1: like collect a bunch of like horror DVDs, Like it's
Speaker 1: too many now.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I'm just like when I stop,
Speaker 4: absolutely not. But also what was the first question, I
Speaker 4: just like the second question, like I understand and time.
Speaker 2: Do you remember like the way that horror made you
Speaker 2: feel when you were a kid.
Speaker 1: Ooh, it's gonna sound it's gonna sound strange, but it
Speaker 1: made me feel like I wasn't alone anymore, Like I
Speaker 1: could connect with a lot of like my seminal like
Speaker 1: stuff coming up too was like a lot of like,
Speaker 1: you know, monster movies. So it was kind of just
Speaker 1: like having like getting to sit there and getting to
Speaker 1: watch like the monster and almost relating to the monster
Speaker 1: in every single way. And it made me and then
Speaker 1: like even growing up and like watching stuff like with
Speaker 1: women that I really admire in horror and seeing the
Speaker 1: Final Girls develop, and also watching a couple of like
Speaker 1: movies that like I would never be into. I was
Speaker 1: just like, this genre just doesn't it makes it doesn't
Speaker 1: make me feel alone anymore. It makes me feel like
Speaker 1: I'm watching something that will last long with me that
Speaker 1: kind of outwardly looks at my emotions and kind of mirrors.
Speaker 4: It back to me. And I need that a lot.
Speaker 3: Because think about think about what gets peddled to like
Speaker 3: young girls as far as like this is what you
Speaker 3: should be watching, or this is like like if I
Speaker 3: like and listen, this is not a dis on anything.
Speaker 3: I love a rom com. I love romance as a child.
Speaker 3: Watching these things, I was like, the prize for all
Speaker 3: this effort seems not worth it. I was very confused
Speaker 3: most of the time when they were like I got
Speaker 3: my guy, I like him, put you is not worth it,
Speaker 3: that's not a worthwhile prize. Or you had princesses, which
Speaker 3: I was where I was not, and so I was
Speaker 3: like where do I go? But in horror you have
Speaker 3: usually an extremely intelligent woman who's like, yo, the world terrifying,
Speaker 3: check men awful, got it run like get out, like
Speaker 3: use your brains, your wits high, and then she gets
Speaker 3: to live hopefully at the end. What a win? Or
Speaker 3: understand what you made me?
Speaker 1: Like I felt seen, yes, and especially like growing up
Speaker 1: after like a bunch of years and like how you said,
Speaker 1: like kind of seeing like these different genres like take on,
Speaker 1: especially women because it's kind of just like I can't
Speaker 1: relate to like like Jennifer Lopez, like getting hauled in
Speaker 1: the back of like a chuck and that like out
Speaker 1: of sight, Like I can't like I can't relate to
Speaker 1: like Jennifer Aniston. I can't relate to like any of
Speaker 1: these people, Like I can't even relate to like Sanah
Speaker 1: Lathan and like loving basketball, I would love you, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, I'm like.
Speaker 3: Not having the same experiperiences walking down the street, okay,
Speaker 3: and the films made it very clear, and Catwoman.
Speaker 4: We absolutely can't.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, also, but you can relate to
Speaker 2: Sona Lethan as one of the original Black final Girls
Speaker 2: in a VP because suddenly you survive this terrible experience
Speaker 2: and it's not based around some kind of beautiful version
Speaker 2: of what like love is supposed to be some cinematic thing. Instead,
Speaker 2: it's about surviving a really terrible job which we all
Speaker 2: have to do.
Speaker 1: And maybe getting down with a predators.
Speaker 5: You know, you know, you.
Speaker 2: Guys have kind of perfectly segued into us, into the
Speaker 2: why of it all. So I think we've really a
Speaker 2: lot of like why it spoke to us early on,
Speaker 2: and I think I think that that idea of safety
Speaker 2: while exploring what scares us is huge. I will also
Speaker 2: say for myself, I definitely did have some road bumps
Speaker 2: on the way because I have I definitely struggle with
Speaker 2: like rumination and I saw this absolutely fantastic movie, seminal
Speaker 2: movie called Cube at Sleepover when I was around eleven
Speaker 2: years old, and it absolutely just destroyed me for like
Speaker 2: two years where I was just like I couldn't I
Speaker 2: was so worried about the idea of waking up somewhere else,
Speaker 2: like not being in control of where I was. And
Speaker 2: now years later I'm like, oh, it's because your parents
Speaker 2: were going through a divorce and everything was like mad
Speaker 2: fucked up at home. So even in that way, even
Speaker 2: though at the time it felt like it was solely
Speaker 2: about cube and this terrifying nature of those kind of
Speaker 2: trap rooms horror where you wake up somewhere else, my
Speaker 2: body and my brain were using horror to process something
Speaker 2: I was going through. So even though it wasn't a
Speaker 2: pleasant experience, I look upon that as a way that
Speaker 2: even back then, horror was helping me deal with something
Speaker 2: I couldn't process in real life. So I was using
Speaker 2: fiction to process it, which I think is a huge
Speaker 2: thing for a lot of us. And I do think
Speaker 2: as well that you both touched on something really fantastic,
Speaker 2: which is the nature of like women in Horror and
Speaker 2: the Final Girl and why that is so kind of
Speaker 2: profound for a lot of us. Like Joelle, you said,
Speaker 2: at the end, she gets to survive, you know, like,
Speaker 2: isn't that just all what we want really at the
Speaker 2: end is like can we can we survive something terrible
Speaker 2: that happens to us, and do we get to do
Speaker 2: it in a way that.
Speaker 3: It's almost always like a bright new day exactly.
Speaker 2: I think a lot that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always like the sun is coming out there
Speaker 3: getting away, even if the monsters are fully consumed or crushed,
Speaker 3: like they're trapped in a way that immediately gives them
Speaker 3: like a head start to get away. And it's beautiful.
Speaker 3: It's one of the reasons this might be a segway. Sorry,
Speaker 3: the Drag Me to Hell? What's so profound for me?
Speaker 3: And I think potentially the starter horror it's oh man,
Speaker 3: like you just you think she's out there?
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think you touch on something really
Speaker 2: important because as you grow with horror, we know the tropes,
Speaker 2: we learn the tropes, we love the tropes, we know
Speaker 2: the final girls. Then we start delving into like where
Speaker 2: does the final Girl come from? Well, actually it comes
Speaker 2: from black exploitation horror. It comes from Scream, Dracula Scream,
Speaker 2: it comes from you know, uh ganjen Hess like and
Speaker 2: as you learn more, then a movie like Dragged Me
Speaker 2: to Hell, which sets up a trope you think you understand,
Speaker 2: but then takes it away from you and takes away
Speaker 2: the expectation becomes very powerful and becomes very shocking.
Speaker 3: I have a question for you guys as creators of this.
Speaker 2: That's why I was gonna go to Joe so clever,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, not so linked.
Speaker 3: So I'm curious of, like we know the power of horror.
Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about how it's impacted our lives.
Speaker 3: Maybe these big, like monumental changes in our lives, and
Speaker 3: that sort of guided us in how we you ourselves
Speaker 3: When you're crafting horror for younger audiences, do you guys
Speaker 3: We kind of asked arl Stein the same question, do
Speaker 3: you guys have like a directive in mind? Is there
Speaker 3: something you're trying to do with the horror insha?
Speaker 2: I would say go for it, because I do feel
Speaker 2: like the supernatural feel guides. They feel like you are
Speaker 2: trying to make that connection known to kids, and you're
Speaker 2: giving them this space where it's okay to explore. So
Speaker 2: is that something that you were like intentionally going in
Speaker 2: with that you wanted to make them feel less alone?
Speaker 2: Or is that something that just comes from your own
Speaker 2: experience that you end up putting into these books.
Speaker 4: I think a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: I think that I like don't want like I always
Speaker 1: used to say, like I don't want to sugarcoat things
Speaker 1: because things are like there's some important aspects to a
Speaker 1: lot of what goes into the supernatural, what goes into
Speaker 1: our open mindedness, and what goes into having an open
Speaker 1: heart that like you had you you would want to explore.
Speaker 1: So with a lot of the Supernatural books, the thing
Speaker 1: that I really wanted to get through to everybody, and
Speaker 1: I know the entire core team did too, was like
Speaker 1: keep an open mind, keep an open heart, and just
Speaker 1: keep an open, like you know, perspective of like what
Speaker 1: could happen in the world. For me writing it, it's
Speaker 1: very difficult because I'm just like I just I want
Speaker 1: to tell you all the gross, gritty gory details about
Speaker 1: like anything that's going to happen. And I even kind
Speaker 1: of like fought a little bit to have Chilling with Ghosts,
Speaker 1: like a little section just about death, yeah, because I
Speaker 1: was just like, we have to we have to tell
Speaker 1: them like this is what it is, like, this is
Speaker 1: just how it goes anyway. So like yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: kind of just like from the start to the finish,
Speaker 1: this is what we need and this is what I
Speaker 1: want to bring to the table. And I think because
Speaker 1: of my own experience with horror in general, and then
Speaker 1: also like keeping that open mind and open heartness for
Speaker 1: you know, going through all these supernatural journeys and having
Speaker 1: like some supernatural things like happen to me and myself.
Speaker 1: So it was kind of just like I just want
Speaker 1: everybody to have a good time, but also this is
Speaker 1: so hard. Yeah, so I want to break. I wanted
Speaker 1: to bring that dual perspective, but yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 1: but in me writing it, it's a little difficult because
Speaker 1: like again I just want to bring you all of
Speaker 1: the gory details about like this is what happens when
Speaker 1: you get mammifha.
Speaker 2: I mean stuff like when I was a kid, I
Speaker 2: had I had gotten a copy, a second hand copy
Speaker 2: from like a car boot sale, of the Poisonous Handbook,
Speaker 2: and it was just like all that it was just
Speaker 2: really scary things. In England we have this great series
Speaker 2: called Horrible Histories where they do tell you about how
Speaker 2: you get mummified and which kings died from people shoving
Speaker 2: like hot spikes up their butts while they were sleeping
Speaker 2: and all this kind of grotesque stuff. And I think
Speaker 2: now like kid's horror has transitioned into this place of
Speaker 2: YouTube of five Nights at Freddy's, games like Granny, these
Speaker 2: kind of terrifying things that are helping kids find that
Speaker 2: that space. I have yet. I've done one true kid's horror,
Speaker 2: which was The Haunted High Tops, and that was really
Speaker 2: great because it had a framework of like a Twilight
Speaker 2: Zone esque twist. So I think that was something that
Speaker 2: was really fun for me to play with. And with that,
Speaker 2: there was some really interesting thing balance, because, like you're saying, Shure,
Speaker 2: you want to show something that's scary or real, but
Speaker 2: you've got to work out like what can I show
Speaker 2: what's acceptable? And in that story, as the title may
Speaker 2: have hinted, it was about a pair of haunted trainers
Speaker 2: who haunted sneakers, and the idea was when he put
Speaker 2: them on, he would become really fast, he would get
Speaker 2: you know, good good at pee people are celebrating him,
Speaker 2: but he can't control them, kind of like the Red Shoes.
Speaker 2: And so there was a moment where I wanted to
Speaker 2: show how do you show that something scary is happening,
Speaker 2: because so far we've only really seen the good. It's
Speaker 2: it's eerie, but it's good. He's good. At class people
Speaker 2: his friend is like, bro, something's going wrong here. So
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I think I'm going to have him.
Speaker 2: We established early on that he loves animals, so on
Speaker 2: the way home, I'm going to have it so that
Speaker 2: the shoes try and kick a dog, like they try
Speaker 2: and kick this dog that he knows in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: And it was such a fine balance of like making
Speaker 2: sure that he didn't actually kick the dog, like he
Speaker 2: the shoe takes over and he kicks, and he manages
Speaker 2: to stop it and he kind of kicks a trash can,
Speaker 2: but like with my editor, we had to be like,
Speaker 2: he can't hurt the dog, Like that's like the step
Speaker 2: too far, you know. And I think that kind of
Speaker 2: thing is very interesting because I do think for a
Speaker 2: lot of us when we're young, a lot of our
Speaker 2: empathy is towards like animals, and those are the stories.
Speaker 2: Like one of the things that traumatized me the most
Speaker 2: before Cube was The Fox and the Hound. By the
Speaker 2: end of it, I was just absolutely like I was
Speaker 2: done for. There was absolutely no me like it was
Speaker 2: it was the children. Yeah, like Disney has done a
Speaker 2: lot of damage to a lot of us. But Joelle
Speaker 2: as you as somebody who is also a storyteller and
Speaker 2: who is into genre storytelling, Like what draws you to horror?
Speaker 2: Why is that something that you want to explore as
Speaker 2: a genre for all ages? Like what is it that
Speaker 2: makes you want to say, this is the thing I'm
Speaker 2: going to invest my time in.
Speaker 3: I think, in the same reason that I was like
Speaker 3: drawn into true crime more than I create a lot
Speaker 3: of history books that specifically center around war. I am
Speaker 3: vastly curious about the depths of destruction man is capable of,
Speaker 3: and I think that horror gives us an outlet to
Speaker 3: explore that in a safe way, and it also has
Speaker 3: great survival tips. I really appreciate its, like, actually, people
Speaker 3: can be really cruel. Be aware here, like people that
Speaker 3: smile might not be smiling you for the right reasons.
Speaker 3: Like that sort of vibes like sort of like a
Speaker 3: candy man as situation, where like the villain is not
Speaker 3: who you think it is. Like that to me is
Speaker 3: really appealing because I think I I grew up very
Speaker 3: sheltered and with a lot of privilege and love, and
Speaker 3: I horror sort of brought me into the real world
Speaker 3: in a way that was necessary as a kid, you know,
Speaker 3: I think if you're for all really for all children,
Speaker 3: like at some point you learn, hopefully not too soon,
Speaker 3: but like the world can be a really scary place,
Speaker 3: and horror gives us a space to process that fear
Speaker 3: and try and try to figure out how we want
Speaker 3: to manage it. And I like that a lot about horror.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of my favorite I was thinking
Speaker 3: about what stories brought me into horror, because the movies
Speaker 3: are really about like the visual images and like the
Speaker 3: immediate sensation, whereas horror for me in books is much
Speaker 3: more cerebral and like my favorite books were like The
Speaker 3: Green Ribbon and The Yellow Wallpaper over and over again,
Speaker 3: classic writing like Seminal Horror.
Speaker 4: Wait, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: You also love the Yellow Wall Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: At a very early age I was reading it obsessively.
Speaker 4: Nobody that I ever known. I love The Yellow Wallpaper.
Speaker 1: I had like four different copies of that book because
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: So Listening to the beginning, the beginning.
Speaker 6: Of a viewiful friendship is here, guys, I have appeal
Speaker 6: that it's here. I Joel, I think you also touched
Speaker 6: on something really fantastic, which we can kind of talk
Speaker 6: about a little before we go is. Let's talk a
Speaker 6: little bit about books, because I do think that's a
Speaker 6: huge thing folklore tales.
Speaker 2: The Green Ribbon. Everyone knows that one Yellow Wallpaper. You
Speaker 2: two are both queens of taste, clearly because that is
Speaker 2: just one of the most fantastic stories ever written written
Speaker 2: by Charlotte Charlotte Perkins Gilman from like the late eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: But let's talk a little bit about how books were
Speaker 2: also that kind of space, because I was reading books
Speaker 2: I definitely should have been reading as a kid, but
Speaker 2: I felt a lot of safety within that space to explore.
Speaker 2: Like I was reading reading Clive Barker, I was reading
Speaker 2: scary stories to tell in the dark, which I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but those are some of the most terrifying stories of
Speaker 2: all time. I was reading Stephen King.
Speaker 3: So I didn't realized the Green Ribbon is from a
Speaker 3: book of like I read Level two.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm like that, guys like terrifying.
Speaker 4: An entire generation.
Speaker 2: In show what was some of your kind of first
Speaker 2: horror books that you that you kind of found that
Speaker 2: space in.
Speaker 1: The Hunting of Hill House was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Shelly Jackson for Life, Carrie, Oh, yeah, def I
Speaker 2: read that very because Carrie.
Speaker 1: It's so The thing about like Carrie too is Carrie
Speaker 1: is so when you're growing up at a certain as
Speaker 1: I was growing up that like in the nineties. It
Speaker 1: was like my first actual horror book. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: still very much like I think it. I think about
Speaker 1: it all the time. I love every iteration of the
Speaker 1: Carry movies because I'm just like they all bring a
Speaker 1: little bit something different to the story. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, that book, that book will never ever ever
Speaker 1: leave my mind. Pet Cemetery was also another one because like,
Speaker 1: I was dealing with a lot of animal grief at
Speaker 1: a certain point in my life and that one really
Speaker 1: helped a lot. And it helped me because I just
Speaker 1: recently lost my cat, so like it helped me again
Speaker 1: like process those emotions.
Speaker 4: Oh no, it's not.
Speaker 1: And oh god, you know what, Okay, it's not a
Speaker 1: horror book. But I feel like, if I mean the
Speaker 1: the adaptation is basically all the adaptations are basically sci
Speaker 1: fi horror. Who goes Oh yeah, yeah, because it is
Speaker 1: terrifying actually to read it and you are kind of
Speaker 1: like not expecting it's basically like, so who Goes There
Speaker 1: is basically like the adaptation that became or the book
Speaker 1: that became the Thing and the Things from Other World. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's so weirdly well done. Also Invasion of the
Speaker 1: Body Snatchers, the original issues.
Speaker 3: I haven't read the book, so I'm going to download
Speaker 3: it immediately as soon as we get off of this call.
Speaker 3: But I was obsessed with the original movie, like the
Speaker 3: original Household in the Hill, the Invasion of the Body Snatchers,
Speaker 3: those were like very early film. My dad was like,
Speaker 3: you're gonna love these and he was like one hundred
Speaker 3: percent right, like this idea of like who is inside
Speaker 3: of these bodies? Or especially I think when you're like
Speaker 3: I was introduced as a preteen, right, so I'm like
Speaker 3: thirteen fourteen somewhere in there, and I remember identifying the
Speaker 3: fact that all my friends felt like they were changing
Speaker 3: really fast. Yeah, we're all in the stage of evolving
Speaker 3: really quickly. And it was like, who are these people
Speaker 3: that I thought I knew yesterday that are feel completely
Speaker 3: different that's the day. And I was like totally drawn in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is so it is social. It's so like
Speaker 1: emotionally devastating to like if you if you read that,
Speaker 1: then also do a double feature and read the Stepford wise,
Speaker 1: the control, the control over your body in these books done.
Speaker 1: Like if you read an Era like an Ira eleven book,
Speaker 1: like even if you read like The Rosemary Baby like
Speaker 1: the original book. No, like I had to do my
Speaker 1: entire final senior thesis of college and I was so
Speaker 1: happy I did. It was literally the agency of Rosemary's
Speaker 1: like Rosemary's body a Rosemary's Baby, and I was so
Speaker 1: excited because I was just like she had none the end.
Speaker 2: But you're like, this is this is an easy argument
Speaker 2: to make. Well, I want to say I want to
Speaker 2: say thank you to inch of for joining us. I
Speaker 2: want to say thank you to Joe All for joining
Speaker 2: me and coasting on this. I also want to say
Speaker 2: it's very clear that this is not the last time
Speaker 2: the three of us are going to be on our podcast.
Speaker 2: So I'm very happy this happened because I'm sensing some
Speaker 2: magic is happening here. And as it is with Xtra Vision,
Speaker 2: we like to end the episodes with a fast moving segment.
Speaker 2: So today we're going to do a version of Who's
Speaker 2: Who Where. I just want to ask you, guys, for
Speaker 2: those of us who have listened to the podcast, who
Speaker 2: are big horror fans who are like, wow, I love
Speaker 2: listening to this. This is very nice. But I'm not
Speaker 2: a scaredy cat, like I'm watching all the best horror.
Speaker 2: What are the two scariest movies you've seen recently? For
Speaker 2: those who want to actually get a terrifying scare after
Speaker 2: this episode.
Speaker 3: Okay, I got it. Okay, I'm going to give you
Speaker 3: two all timers. Wait, but I can't remember the name
Speaker 3: of one. When y'all are over my please.
Speaker 2: Barbarian, Barbarian.
Speaker 3: Okay, here we go, here we go. Okay. If you
Speaker 3: have not yet seen Barbarian, hopefully you know one has
Speaker 3: spoken to you about this film. Okay, so don't know
Speaker 3: anything about don't research it, don't look at a review.
Speaker 3: It's not worth it. You'll ruin it. Don't do it.
Speaker 3: Just go watch if you're a person who loves horror,
Speaker 3: because every second of that movie, you are on the
Speaker 3: edge of your seat. You're like, don't open the door.
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 3: Don't don't open that door? Down you're going down, there's
Speaker 3: another door.
Speaker 2: Don't do that.
Speaker 3: The whole time you're just screaming. You can't believe the
Speaker 3: way they set up the haunted house to just constantly
Speaker 3: get more. It's just there's just more of this house
Speaker 3: than you ever thought possible, and it's terrifying, and when
Speaker 3: you think you're out, you're not.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say anything more about this film, but literally,
Speaker 3: I just the layers of horror it watches over you
Speaker 3: repeatedly is to me and idealizes way to experience horror.
Speaker 3: I love Listen. I love a classic monster movie. There's
Speaker 3: nothing wrong with it. Those are great. But when you
Speaker 3: are psychologically destroying me, that's what I'm most happy. I
Speaker 3: don't know why it's a problem, but it's so good.
Speaker 3: And maybe I just have a fear of going down
Speaker 3: because my other thing is always what I tell people
Speaker 3: to watch when I talk about horror, which is The Descent.
Speaker 2: So scary.
Speaker 3: You should watch The Descent because horror. Should watch The
Speaker 3: Descent for the betrayal you will never Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I love a film that makes me go, how are
Speaker 3: you ever?
Speaker 4: Friends?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: Why? Love yourself more?
Speaker 2: What you deserve? Better you?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: What are your two scariest movies you've watched lately?
Speaker 4: Rewatch Death Game.
Speaker 1: That is, it is psychologically abusive to no end, but
Speaker 1: at the same exact time good for the girls her movie.
Speaker 2: It's a big good for her movie.
Speaker 1: Big it's a good for her movie, and nobody can
Speaker 1: tell me different, because that man deserves to go down
Speaker 1: as he did.
Speaker 4: I do not.
Speaker 1: Agree with the I do not agree with the ending,
Speaker 1: nor do I agree with the eli roth Rey Make
Speaker 1: Knock No, do you not see the original Death Game?
Speaker 4: And also Cuckoo, Like.
Speaker 3: Oh, I've heard good things.
Speaker 1: Cuckoo was a movie that, like I, I kind of
Speaker 1: was just like, I don't know what's going on in
Speaker 1: this for the rude, it has so much good vibes.
Speaker 1: Hunter Schaeffer and Dan Stevens just do it all for me.
Speaker 1: The premises bonkers, the excitement level of what's happening, the
Speaker 1: scenes that keep building and building and building to like
Speaker 1: this weird bird esque conclusion. You're just flapping your wings
Speaker 1: as they're flapping their wings in order to get it together,
Speaker 1: and it is.
Speaker 4: It is incredible.
Speaker 1: Please please also watch anything that Tillman does.
Speaker 3: Yes and everything.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna leave us with me and Jason
Speaker 2: did an episode of a show called two Scared Didn't watch,
Speaker 2: and we watched the first omen for it, and I
Speaker 2: actually thought it was really good. Had a lot of
Speaker 2: really scary imagery, some of the most shocking imagery that
Speaker 2: I've seen in a while. I was loving it, big
Speaker 2: fan of that. Yeah, there was some moments. There was
Speaker 2: some moments maybe I thought it was really great, very
Speaker 2: Possession inspired. If you haven't seen Possession and you love scares,
Speaker 2: go watch Possession. If you don't love scares, don't love
Speaker 2: with stuff, don't watch Possession. And I'm sorry if you
Speaker 2: decide you're going to do it, But I will also say, yeah,
Speaker 2: the Queen Isabella Johnny. I will also say because I
Speaker 2: do feel like it went under the radar and I
Speaker 2: think existentially a very powerful, scary and ultimately hopeful film
Speaker 2: project for me was Mike Flanigan's Midnight Mass. And I
Speaker 2: think it's the perfect time, perfect time to revisit. So
Speaker 2: if you like scares and you like incredible prestige TV,
Speaker 2: and you like storytelling, and you like Roll Coolly and
Speaker 2: you like Kate Siegal and you also like actual, real
Speaker 2: good disabled representation, and check out Midnight Mass. And yeah,
Speaker 2: and thank you all so much for listening to our
Speaker 2: horry yapp fest, of which I'm sure there are gonna
Speaker 2: be many more.
Speaker 3: Yes, Fay Jersey, Bye Bye, we did it.
Speaker 2: That's it for today's episode. Next week, we're back with
Speaker 2: more coverage of the Penguin and Agathor all along, plus
Speaker 2: some Halloween bonus episodes. Thank you for listening.
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