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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: My name is Rosie Night and I'm Joel Monique, and

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Speaker 2: welcome back to xtra Vision, the podcast where we dive

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Speaker 2: deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture.

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Speaker 2: We're here at iHeart Podcasts where we bring you two

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Speaker 2: episodes a week, every Tuesday and Thursday, and sometimes a

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Speaker 2: little special episode like this. Shout out to our producer

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Speaker 2: Aaron for the new spooky edition of the theme song

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Speaker 2: that you will be hearing for the entirety of October

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Speaker 2: because we are just spooky guys over here and we

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Speaker 2: love spooky Caesars.

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Speaker 3: In today's episode, we're diving into the air lock. We're

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Speaker 3: joined by the experts horror genre author Incha fits Pat

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Speaker 3: and we get real girly with Incha about why we

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Speaker 3: love to be scared in our favorite bab movies to

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Speaker 3: dive into and get started on horror. So please enjoy

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Speaker 3: that conversation. We had a lot of fun. Then we

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Speaker 3: went on to Who's Who. Everyone will share their most

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Speaker 3: terrifying movies they've seen recently. Ooh recent horror check it out?

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Speaker 2: Oh baby. So yeah, if you are a scaredy cat

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Speaker 2: and you want to know about start horror, we cover

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Speaker 2: that and then in that Who's Who, Baby, we're going

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Speaker 2: to be scaring you, so do not watch those if

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Speaker 2: you are easily scared. And with that said, without further ado,

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Speaker 2: let's get into our Halloween horror convo with the wonderful

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Speaker 2: inch of Fitzpatrick woo So Joelle. The reason that we

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Speaker 2: are exploring these two things today start a horror and

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Speaker 2: why horror came from a conversation that we had with

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Speaker 2: our super producers, who are not necessarily horror lovers and

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Speaker 2: A Boo do not love horror movies?

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Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, it was funny when we pitched them in

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Speaker 3: the meeting. We were like horror in October. They were like,

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Speaker 3: I don't where would we even? What would we contribute?

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Speaker 3: What would it happen? I was like, okay, we're going

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Speaker 3: to divide and Concker. So they're actually working on a

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Speaker 3: secret project that I cannot leave for this to reveal.

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Speaker 3: And while they're doing that, the ladies of X ray

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Speaker 3: Vision were like, were you in horror for October? Okay,

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Speaker 3: we were embracing it, but A Boo had a great question.

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Speaker 2: He was like, why horror? Like why do we like

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Speaker 2: it as viewers? Why do we like it as creators?

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Speaker 2: And we also have a lot of discord users and

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Speaker 2: listeners in our amazing X ray vision community who don't

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Speaker 2: listen to us talk about it but won't watch it themselves.

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Speaker 2: So I also wanted to kind of dip into the

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Speaker 2: idea of start a horror like, what's a good spooky

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Speaker 2: thing to watch that isn't scary, but that you could

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Speaker 2: test your boundaries with. So those are all the little

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Speaker 2: magical ingredients going into our spooky season cauldron. And to

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Speaker 2: an expert in the very scary, gory, French new extremism

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Speaker 2: And that is why we are very happy to have

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Speaker 2: the wonderful inch of Fitzpatrick joining us on the show.

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Speaker 2: Insha is a New Jersey based author who loves all

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Speaker 2: things horror. She's the writer of the Totally Factual Guide

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Speaker 2: to the Supernatural series with Quirk Books, the graphic novels

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Speaker 2: of Titchuba and Rosa Parks for hu HQ, and the

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Speaker 2: When she is not writing, she's catching up on horror movies,

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Speaker 2: learning to write TRPGs, and watching reality TV, as well

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Speaker 2: as texting me because we became friends while I was

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Speaker 2: covering the Total Factual Guide of the Supernatural series Inja.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us, Thank.

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Speaker 4: You, thank you for having me. That was like a ballard.

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Speaker 3: Because now I want to be besties with Inha too.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, write tabletop RPGs. We will

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Speaker 3: have to chat after the call. There's not enough time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 2: This is a three way call that could go on

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Speaker 2: for a very long time, guys, but don't worry. This

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Speaker 2: is gonna be snappy, well edited, beautifully smooth episode of

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Speaker 2: Extra Vision, and the three of us will have a

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Speaker 2: real freeway call off the air. But yes, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: Yes, we're thrilled and I okay, I think a good

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I have. I probably have mentioned

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Speaker 2: We had a bootleg tape bootleg tape of Texas Chainsaw

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Speaker 2: But I would say the most important. Those are both

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm not your parent, But I would say

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Speaker 2: In the UK, we only had four channels when I

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Speaker 2: that was called Return to Oz and it stars Ferusia

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Speaker 2: Bulk as Dorothy. And when the movie begins, she is

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Speaker 2: to Oz where everyone has been turned to stone by

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Speaker 2: the scariest movies I've ever seen. I love it deeply.

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Speaker 2: For years, it was very very hard to find. I

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Speaker 2: The thing that actually scared me the most was none

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Speaker 2: I you know, Ferujah Bolk and that movie as Dorothy

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Speaker 2: That was the one that made me think like, oh,

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Speaker 2: to OZ. Terrifying movie. Highly recommend and a child can

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Speaker 3: Yes, totally, especially if they're into horror, sort of like Chucky.

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Speaker 3: As you say, we have to discussed the cultural differences

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Speaker 2: You actually make a really good point, Joelle, because I

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Speaker 2: Cinderellis step mom. She's gonna have to dance to death

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Speaker 2: those kind of Grim's fairy tales were definitely another big

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Speaker 5: I did not start from a acute place like I

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Speaker 5: love Return Return of Uz used to be like my

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Speaker 5: like that's a lived experience, but like I didn't start

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Speaker 1: Essentials, where the essentials are not the essentials that a

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Speaker 1: seven years old, Like I watched Rosemary's Baby very young.

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Speaker 1: Oh my, I'm got And I watched The Exorcist wait

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Speaker 1: possessed by a devil, but also like I'm not opposed

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Speaker 1: like that, I can just like project alvomina people like

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Speaker 1: I when I don't want to talk to them, what

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Speaker 1: but I will say. Like my my soft introduction to

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Speaker 1: horror had to be like William Castle movie. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: thirteen thirteen Ghosts was my number one thing. I used

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Speaker 1: And like every single time you watch it, you get something,

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Speaker 3: Shuirlie Jackson or the hell out of the Hunting.

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Speaker 2: brilliant stuff. Joelle, what is what was your early horror

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Speaker 2: No, No, you just touch on something really interesting there,

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Speaker 2: So I think you touch on something really good. And also,

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Speaker 2: of course bringing it back to comics, Joel, you're sort

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Speaker 3: Yes, so okay, So then I get shown, uh trap,

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Speaker 1: Like I felt seen, yes, and especially like growing up

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Speaker 1: Lathan and like loving basketball, I would love you, but

434
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Speaker 1: at the same time, I'm like.

435
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: Not having the same experiperiences walking down the street, okay,

436
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,719
Speaker 3: and the films made it very clear, and Catwoman.

437
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Speaker 4: We absolutely can't.

438
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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, also, but you can relate to

439
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: Sona Lethan as one of the original Black final Girls

440
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 2: in a VP because suddenly you survive this terrible experience

441
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: and it's not based around some kind of beautiful version

442
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: of what like love is supposed to be some cinematic thing. Instead,

443
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 2: it's about surviving a really terrible job which we all

444
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: have to do.

445
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: And maybe getting down with a predators.

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Speaker 5: You know, you know, you.

447
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: Guys have kind of perfectly segued into us, into the

448
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Speaker 2: why of it all. So I think we've really a

449
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: lot of like why it spoke to us early on,

450
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 2: and I think I think that that idea of safety

451
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: while exploring what scares us is huge. I will also

452
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 2: say for myself, I definitely did have some road bumps

453
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 2: on the way because I have I definitely struggle with

454
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 2: like rumination and I saw this absolutely fantastic movie, seminal

455
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: movie called Cube at Sleepover when I was around eleven

456
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Speaker 2: years old, and it absolutely just destroyed me for like

457
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: two years where I was just like I couldn't I

458
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 2: was so worried about the idea of waking up somewhere else,

459
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Speaker 2: like not being in control of where I was. And

460
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Speaker 2: now years later I'm like, oh, it's because your parents

461
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 2: were going through a divorce and everything was like mad

462
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: fucked up at home. So even in that way, even

463
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: though at the time it felt like it was solely

464
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Speaker 2: about cube and this terrifying nature of those kind of

465
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: trap rooms horror where you wake up somewhere else, my

466
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: body and my brain were using horror to process something

467
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Speaker 2: I was going through. So even though it wasn't a

468
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Speaker 2: pleasant experience, I look upon that as a way that

469
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Speaker 2: even back then, horror was helping me deal with something

470
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Speaker 2: I couldn't process in real life. So I was using

471
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Speaker 2: fiction to process it, which I think is a huge

472
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Speaker 2: thing for a lot of us. And I do think

473
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Speaker 2: as well that you both touched on something really fantastic,

474
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Speaker 2: which is the nature of like women in Horror and

475
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Speaker 2: the Final Girl and why that is so kind of

476
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Speaker 2: profound for a lot of us. Like Joelle, you said,

477
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Speaker 2: at the end, she gets to survive, you know, like,

478
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Speaker 2: isn't that just all what we want really at the

479
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: end is like can we can we survive something terrible

480
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: that happens to us, and do we get to do

481
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Speaker 2: it in a way that.

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Speaker 3: It's almost always like a bright new day exactly.

483
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Speaker 2: I think a lot that.

484
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always like the sun is coming out there

485
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: getting away, even if the monsters are fully consumed or crushed,

486
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: like they're trapped in a way that immediately gives them

487
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Speaker 3: like a head start to get away. And it's beautiful.

488
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Speaker 3: It's one of the reasons this might be a segway. Sorry,

489
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 3: the Drag Me to Hell? What's so profound for me?

490
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: And I think potentially the starter horror it's oh man,

491
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Speaker 3: like you just you think she's out there?

492
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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think you touch on something really

493
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: important because as you grow with horror, we know the tropes,

494
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 2: we learn the tropes, we love the tropes, we know

495
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: the final girls. Then we start delving into like where

496
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Speaker 2: does the final Girl come from? Well, actually it comes

497
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: from black exploitation horror. It comes from Scream, Dracula Scream,

498
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: it comes from you know, uh ganjen Hess like and

499
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 2: as you learn more, then a movie like Dragged Me

500
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 2: to Hell, which sets up a trope you think you understand,

501
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: but then takes it away from you and takes away

502
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: the expectation becomes very powerful and becomes very shocking.

503
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Speaker 3: I have a question for you guys as creators of this.

504
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: That's why I was gonna go to Joe so clever,

505
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, not so linked.

506
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Speaker 3: So I'm curious of, like we know the power of horror.

507
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about how it's impacted our lives.

508
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: Maybe these big, like monumental changes in our lives, and

509
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 3: that sort of guided us in how we you ourselves

510
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Speaker 3: When you're crafting horror for younger audiences, do you guys

511
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 3: We kind of asked arl Stein the same question, do

512
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Speaker 3: you guys have like a directive in mind? Is there

513
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Speaker 3: something you're trying to do with the horror insha?

514
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Speaker 2: I would say go for it, because I do feel

515
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: like the supernatural feel guides. They feel like you are

516
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: trying to make that connection known to kids, and you're

517
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: giving them this space where it's okay to explore. So

518
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: is that something that you were like intentionally going in

519
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: with that you wanted to make them feel less alone?

520
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: Or is that something that just comes from your own

521
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: experience that you end up putting into these books.

522
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Speaker 4: I think a little bit of both.

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Speaker 1: I think that I like don't want like I always

524
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Speaker 1: used to say, like I don't want to sugarcoat things

525
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: because things are like there's some important aspects to a

526
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Speaker 1: lot of what goes into the supernatural, what goes into

527
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: our open mindedness, and what goes into having an open

528
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: heart that like you had you you would want to explore.

529
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Speaker 1: So with a lot of the Supernatural books, the thing

530
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Speaker 1: that I really wanted to get through to everybody, and

531
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Speaker 1: I know the entire core team did too, was like

532
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Speaker 1: keep an open mind, keep an open heart, and just

533
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Speaker 1: keep an open, like you know, perspective of like what

534
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Speaker 1: could happen in the world. For me writing it, it's

535
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Speaker 1: very difficult because I'm just like I just I want

536
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Speaker 1: to tell you all the gross, gritty gory details about

537
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Speaker 1: like anything that's going to happen. And I even kind

538
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: of like fought a little bit to have Chilling with Ghosts,

539
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: like a little section just about death, yeah, because I

540
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Speaker 1: was just like, we have to we have to tell

541
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Speaker 1: them like this is what it is, like, this is

542
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 1: just how it goes anyway. So like yeah, so it's

543
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Speaker 1: kind of just like from the start to the finish,

544
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Speaker 1: this is what we need and this is what I

545
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Speaker 1: want to bring to the table. And I think because

546
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Speaker 1: of my own experience with horror in general, and then

547
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: also like keeping that open mind and open heartness for

548
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, going through all these supernatural journeys and having

549
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Speaker 1: like some supernatural things like happen to me and myself.

550
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Speaker 1: So it was kind of just like I just want

551
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Speaker 1: everybody to have a good time, but also this is

552
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Speaker 1: so hard. Yeah, so I want to break. I wanted

553
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Speaker 1: to bring that dual perspective, but yeah, it's it's a

554
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: but in me writing it, it's a little difficult because

555
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Speaker 1: like again I just want to bring you all of

556
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Speaker 1: the gory details about like this is what happens when

557
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: you get mammifha.

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Speaker 2: I mean stuff like when I was a kid, I

559
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Speaker 2: had I had gotten a copy, a second hand copy

560
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: from like a car boot sale, of the Poisonous Handbook,

561
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: and it was just like all that it was just

562
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: really scary things. In England we have this great series

563
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: called Horrible Histories where they do tell you about how

564
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: you get mummified and which kings died from people shoving

565
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: like hot spikes up their butts while they were sleeping

566
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: and all this kind of grotesque stuff. And I think

567
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: now like kid's horror has transitioned into this place of

568
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: YouTube of five Nights at Freddy's, games like Granny, these

569
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: kind of terrifying things that are helping kids find that

570
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 2: that space. I have yet. I've done one true kid's horror,

571
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: which was The Haunted High Tops, and that was really

572
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: great because it had a framework of like a Twilight

573
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: Zone esque twist. So I think that was something that

574
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: was really fun for me to play with. And with that,

575
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: there was some really interesting thing balance, because, like you're saying, Shure,

576
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: you want to show something that's scary or real, but

577
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: you've got to work out like what can I show

578
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: what's acceptable? And in that story, as the title may

579
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: have hinted, it was about a pair of haunted trainers

580
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: who haunted sneakers, and the idea was when he put

581
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: them on, he would become really fast, he would get

582
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: you know, good good at pee people are celebrating him,

583
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: but he can't control them, kind of like the Red Shoes.

584
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: And so there was a moment where I wanted to

585
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: show how do you show that something scary is happening,

586
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: because so far we've only really seen the good. It's

587
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: it's eerie, but it's good. He's good. At class people

588
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: his friend is like, bro, something's going wrong here. So

589
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I think I'm going to have him.

590
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: We established early on that he loves animals, so on

591
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: the way home, I'm going to have it so that

592
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: the shoes try and kick a dog, like they try

593
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: and kick this dog that he knows in the neighborhood.

594
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: And it was such a fine balance of like making

595
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: sure that he didn't actually kick the dog, like he

596
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: the shoe takes over and he kicks, and he manages

597
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: to stop it and he kind of kicks a trash can,

598
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: but like with my editor, we had to be like,

599
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: he can't hurt the dog, Like that's like the step

600
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: too far, you know. And I think that kind of

601
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: thing is very interesting because I do think for a

602
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,239
Speaker 2: lot of us when we're young, a lot of our

603
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: empathy is towards like animals, and those are the stories.

604
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: Like one of the things that traumatized me the most

605
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: before Cube was The Fox and the Hound. By the

606
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: end of it, I was just absolutely like I was

607
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: done for. There was absolutely no me like it was

608
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: it was the children. Yeah, like Disney has done a

609
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: lot of damage to a lot of us. But Joelle

610
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Speaker 2: as you as somebody who is also a storyteller and

611
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: who is into genre storytelling, Like what draws you to horror?

612
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: Why is that something that you want to explore as

613
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: a genre for all ages? Like what is it that

614
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: makes you want to say, this is the thing I'm

615
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: going to invest my time in.

616
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Speaker 3: I think, in the same reason that I was like

617
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 3: drawn into true crime more than I create a lot

618
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: of history books that specifically center around war. I am

619
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 3: vastly curious about the depths of destruction man is capable of,

620
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 3: and I think that horror gives us an outlet to

621
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Speaker 3: explore that in a safe way, and it also has

622
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 3: great survival tips. I really appreciate its, like, actually, people

623
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 3: can be really cruel. Be aware here, like people that

624
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 3: smile might not be smiling you for the right reasons.

625
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: Like that sort of vibes like sort of like a

626
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 3: candy man as situation, where like the villain is not

627
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 3: who you think it is. Like that to me is

628
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: really appealing because I think I I grew up very

629
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: sheltered and with a lot of privilege and love, and

630
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 3: I horror sort of brought me into the real world

631
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 3: in a way that was necessary as a kid, you know,

632
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 3: I think if you're for all really for all children,

633
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: like at some point you learn, hopefully not too soon,

634
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 3: but like the world can be a really scary place,

635
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: and horror gives us a space to process that fear

636
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 3: and try and try to figure out how we want

637
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: to manage it. And I like that a lot about horror.

638
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: I think a lot of my favorite I was thinking

639
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: about what stories brought me into horror, because the movies

640
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: are really about like the visual images and like the

641
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: immediate sensation, whereas horror for me in books is much

642
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: more cerebral and like my favorite books were like The

643
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: Green Ribbon and The Yellow Wallpaper over and over again,

644
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: classic writing like Seminal Horror.

645
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 4: Wait, I'm sorry.

646
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: You also love the Yellow Wall Oh yeah.

647
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Speaker 3: At a very early age I was reading it obsessively.

648
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 4: Nobody that I ever known. I love The Yellow Wallpaper.

649
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: I had like four different copies of that book because

650
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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: So Listening to the beginning, the beginning.

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Speaker 6: Of a viewiful friendship is here, guys, I have appeal

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Speaker 6: that it's here. I Joel, I think you also touched

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Speaker 6: on something really fantastic, which we can kind of talk

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Speaker 6: about a little before we go is. Let's talk a

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Speaker 6: little bit about books, because I do think that's a

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Speaker 6: huge thing folklore tales.

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Speaker 2: The Green Ribbon. Everyone knows that one Yellow Wallpaper. You

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Speaker 2: two are both queens of taste, clearly because that is

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Speaker 2: just one of the most fantastic stories ever written written

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Speaker 2: by Charlotte Charlotte Perkins Gilman from like the late eighteen hundreds.

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Speaker 2: But let's talk a little bit about how books were

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Speaker 2: also that kind of space, because I was reading books

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Speaker 2: I definitely should have been reading as a kid, but

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Speaker 2: I felt a lot of safety within that space to explore.

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Speaker 2: Like I was reading reading Clive Barker, I was reading

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Speaker 2: scary stories to tell in the dark, which I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: but those are some of the most terrifying stories of

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Speaker 2: all time. I was reading Stephen King.

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Speaker 3: So I didn't realized the Green Ribbon is from a

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Speaker 3: book of like I read Level two.

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm like that, guys like terrifying.

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Speaker 4: An entire generation.

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Speaker 2: In show what was some of your kind of first

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Speaker 2: horror books that you that you kind of found that

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Speaker 2: space in.

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Speaker 1: The Hunting of Hill House was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Shelly Jackson for Life, Carrie, Oh, yeah, def I

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Speaker 2: read that very because Carrie.

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Speaker 1: It's so The thing about like Carrie too is Carrie

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Speaker 1: is so when you're growing up at a certain as

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Speaker 1: I was growing up that like in the nineties. It

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Speaker 1: was like my first actual horror book. Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 1: still very much like I think it. I think about

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Speaker 1: it all the time. I love every iteration of the

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Speaker 1: Carry movies because I'm just like they all bring a

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Speaker 1: little bit something different to the story. But at the

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Speaker 1: same time, that book, that book will never ever ever

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Speaker 1: leave my mind. Pet Cemetery was also another one because like,

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Speaker 1: I was dealing with a lot of animal grief at

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Speaker 1: a certain point in my life and that one really

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Speaker 1: helped a lot. And it helped me because I just

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Speaker 1: recently lost my cat, so like it helped me again

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Speaker 1: like process those emotions.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, it's not.

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Speaker 1: And oh god, you know what, Okay, it's not a

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Speaker 1: horror book. But I feel like, if I mean the

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Speaker 1: the adaptation is basically all the adaptations are basically sci

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Speaker 1: fi horror. Who goes Oh yeah, yeah, because it is

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Speaker 1: terrifying actually to read it and you are kind of

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Speaker 1: like not expecting it's basically like, so who Goes There

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Speaker 1: is basically like the adaptation that became or the book

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Speaker 1: that became the Thing and the Things from Other World. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's so weirdly well done. Also Invasion of the

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Speaker 1: Body Snatchers, the original issues.

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Speaker 3: I haven't read the book, so I'm going to download

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Speaker 3: it immediately as soon as we get off of this call.

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Speaker 3: But I was obsessed with the original movie, like the

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Speaker 3: original Household in the Hill, the Invasion of the Body Snatchers,

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Speaker 3: those were like very early film. My dad was like,

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Speaker 3: you're gonna love these and he was like one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent right, like this idea of like who is inside

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Speaker 3: of these bodies? Or especially I think when you're like

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Speaker 3: I was introduced as a preteen, right, so I'm like

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Speaker 3: thirteen fourteen somewhere in there, and I remember identifying the

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Speaker 3: fact that all my friends felt like they were changing

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Speaker 3: really fast. Yeah, we're all in the stage of evolving

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Speaker 3: really quickly. And it was like, who are these people

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Speaker 3: that I thought I knew yesterday that are feel completely

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Speaker 3: different that's the day. And I was like totally drawn in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is so it is social. It's so like

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Speaker 1: emotionally devastating to like if you if you read that,

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Speaker 1: then also do a double feature and read the Stepford wise,

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Speaker 1: the control, the control over your body in these books done.

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Speaker 1: Like if you read an Era like an Ira eleven book,

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Speaker 1: like even if you read like The Rosemary Baby like

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Speaker 1: the original book. No, like I had to do my

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Speaker 1: entire final senior thesis of college and I was so

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Speaker 1: happy I did. It was literally the agency of Rosemary's

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Speaker 1: like Rosemary's body a Rosemary's Baby, and I was so

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Speaker 1: excited because I was just like she had none the end.

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Speaker 2: But you're like, this is this is an easy argument

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Speaker 2: to make. Well, I want to say I want to

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Speaker 2: say thank you to inch of for joining us. I

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Speaker 2: want to say thank you to Joe All for joining

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Speaker 2: me and coasting on this. I also want to say

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Speaker 2: it's very clear that this is not the last time

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Speaker 2: the three of us are going to be on our podcast.

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Speaker 2: So I'm very happy this happened because I'm sensing some

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Speaker 2: magic is happening here. And as it is with Xtra Vision,

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Speaker 2: we like to end the episodes with a fast moving segment.

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Speaker 2: So today we're going to do a version of Who's

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Speaker 2: Who Where. I just want to ask you, guys, for

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Speaker 2: those of us who have listened to the podcast, who

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Speaker 2: are big horror fans who are like, wow, I love

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Speaker 2: listening to this. This is very nice. But I'm not

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Speaker 2: a scaredy cat, like I'm watching all the best horror.

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Speaker 2: What are the two scariest movies you've seen recently? For

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Speaker 2: those who want to actually get a terrifying scare after

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Speaker 2: this episode.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I got it. Okay, I'm going to give you

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Speaker 3: two all timers. Wait, but I can't remember the name

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Speaker 3: of one. When y'all are over my please.

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Speaker 2: Barbarian, Barbarian.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here we go, here we go. Okay. If you

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Speaker 3: have not yet seen Barbarian, hopefully you know one has

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00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 3: spoken to you about this film. Okay, so don't know

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Speaker 3: anything about don't research it, don't look at a review.

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Speaker 3: It's not worth it. You'll ruin it. Don't do it.

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Speaker 3: Just go watch if you're a person who loves horror,

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Speaker 3: because every second of that movie, you are on the

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Speaker 3: edge of your seat. You're like, don't open the door.

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Don't don't open that door? Down you're going down, there's

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Speaker 3: another door.

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Speaker 2: Don't do that.

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Speaker 3: The whole time you're just screaming. You can't believe the

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Speaker 3: way they set up the haunted house to just constantly

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Speaker 3: get more. It's just there's just more of this house

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Speaker 3: than you ever thought possible, and it's terrifying, and when

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Speaker 3: you think you're out, you're not.

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Speaker 4: Really.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say anything more about this film, but literally,

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Speaker 3: I just the layers of horror it watches over you

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Speaker 3: repeatedly is to me and idealizes way to experience horror.

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Speaker 3: I love Listen. I love a classic monster movie. There's

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Speaker 3: nothing wrong with it. Those are great. But when you

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Speaker 3: are psychologically destroying me, that's what I'm most happy. I

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Speaker 3: don't know why it's a problem, but it's so good.

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Speaker 3: And maybe I just have a fear of going down

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Speaker 3: because my other thing is always what I tell people

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Speaker 3: to watch when I talk about horror, which is The Descent.

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Speaker 2: So scary.

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Speaker 3: You should watch The Descent because horror. Should watch The

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Speaker 3: Descent for the betrayal you will never Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I love a film that makes me go, how are

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Speaker 3: you ever?

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Speaker 4: Friends?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 3: Why? Love yourself more?

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Speaker 2: What you deserve? Better you?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 2: What are your two scariest movies you've watched lately?

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Speaker 4: Rewatch Death Game.

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Speaker 1: That is, it is psychologically abusive to no end, but

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Speaker 1: at the same exact time good for the girls her movie.

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Speaker 2: It's a big good for her movie.

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Speaker 1: Big it's a good for her movie, and nobody can

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Speaker 1: tell me different, because that man deserves to go down

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Speaker 1: as he did.

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Speaker 4: I do not.

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Speaker 1: Agree with the I do not agree with the ending,

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Speaker 1: nor do I agree with the eli roth Rey Make

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Speaker 1: Knock No, do you not see the original Death Game?

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Speaker 4: And also Cuckoo, Like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I've heard good things.

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Speaker 1: Cuckoo was a movie that, like I, I kind of

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Speaker 1: was just like, I don't know what's going on in

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Speaker 1: this for the rude, it has so much good vibes.

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Speaker 1: Hunter Schaeffer and Dan Stevens just do it all for me.

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Speaker 1: The premises bonkers, the excitement level of what's happening, the

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Speaker 1: scenes that keep building and building and building to like

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Speaker 1: this weird bird esque conclusion. You're just flapping your wings

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Speaker 1: as they're flapping their wings in order to get it together,

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Speaker 1: and it is.

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Speaker 4: It is incredible.

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Speaker 1: Please please also watch anything that Tillman does.

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Speaker 3: Yes and everything.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna leave us with me and Jason

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Speaker 2: did an episode of a show called two Scared Didn't watch,

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Speaker 2: and we watched the first omen for it, and I

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Speaker 2: actually thought it was really good. Had a lot of

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Speaker 2: really scary imagery, some of the most shocking imagery that

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Speaker 2: I've seen in a while. I was loving it, big

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Speaker 2: fan of that. Yeah, there was some moments. There was

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Speaker 2: some moments maybe I thought it was really great, very

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Speaker 2: Possession inspired. If you haven't seen Possession and you love scares,

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Speaker 2: go watch Possession. If you don't love scares, don't love

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Speaker 2: with stuff, don't watch Possession. And I'm sorry if you

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Speaker 2: decide you're going to do it, But I will also say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the Queen Isabella Johnny. I will also say because I

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Speaker 2: do feel like it went under the radar and I

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Speaker 2: think existentially a very powerful, scary and ultimately hopeful film

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Speaker 2: project for me was Mike Flanigan's Midnight Mass. And I

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Speaker 2: think it's the perfect time, perfect time to revisit. So

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Speaker 2: if you like scares and you like incredible prestige TV,

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Speaker 2: and you like storytelling, and you like Roll Coolly and

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Speaker 2: you like Kate Siegal and you also like actual, real

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Speaker 2: good disabled representation, and check out Midnight Mass. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: and thank you all so much for listening to our

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Speaker 2: horry yapp fest, of which I'm sure there are gonna

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Speaker 2: be many more.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Fay Jersey, Bye Bye, we did it.

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Speaker 2: That's it for today's episode. Next week, we're back with

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Speaker 2: more coverage of the Penguin and Agathor all along, plus

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Speaker 2: some Halloween bonus episodes. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 7: and Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 7: Our executive producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rub and Chris Lord. Kenny Goodman

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