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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center.

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Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, I'm Strong and Jetty and

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Speaker 2: now he Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 3: April second, twenty twenty five will go down is one

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Speaker 3: of the most important days in modern American history.

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Speaker 2: X todent.

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Speaker 1: The President will pick one of two pads, a new

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Speaker 1: flat twenty percent tari funnel imports, or new tariffs that

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Speaker 1: vary and match the tariffs other countries have in place.

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Speaker 4: Right now, you have to trust the President's instincts on

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Speaker 4: the economy.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. It is Liberation Day.

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Speaker 1: We've got more on that coming up this hour, some

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Speaker 1: of the talking points from the administration, some reaction from

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Speaker 1: economists and that sort of thing, and we'll get into that.

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Speaker 4: And some information on how countries evade tariffs. That makes

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Speaker 4: me wonder if you can ever be successful except with

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Speaker 4: a blanket tariff.

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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Speaker 1: So I came across this in the New York Times.

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Speaker 1: Thought it was dang good. I was expecting one thing,

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Speaker 1: got another thing. Should human life be Optimized? Was a

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Speaker 1: headline and an opinion piece about the advances in genetic testing. Yeah, Katie,

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Speaker 1: you should be thinking about this because this exists, and

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Speaker 1: I know you and your husband are going to try

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Speaker 1: to get pregnant. Advances in genetic testing and artificial intelligence

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Speaker 1: are changing what's possible for those undergoing IVF Are we

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Speaker 1: ready for the future of fertility? Asking the question how

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Speaker 1: much of what your baby is going to be like?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to choose? And the opinion piece is

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Speaker 1: by a woman who was given the choice of determining

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Speaker 1: whether she wanted a boy or a girl, and she

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Speaker 1: and her husband decided, we we got a girl. We'd

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Speaker 1: kind of like to have a girl, but it just

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Speaker 1: doesn't feel right to choose that, so they didn't. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but then they have. She's done more research on this

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Speaker 1: found out that we already can We're very soon going

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Speaker 1: to be able to choose things like taller, smarter, happier

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Speaker 1: in addition to male or female. And isn't that obviously

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Speaker 1: a recipe for disaster for hman kind? Yes, yes, it is, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Any thoughts you want to leap in with now or well?

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Speaker 1: I think that's horrifying.

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Speaker 5: I mean, when I discussed that I was going to

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Speaker 5: be doing the genetic testing, it's simply to make sure

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Speaker 5: that my child doesn't have my hereditary disease that is

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Speaker 5: different primarily for health, all this other stuff that's in

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Speaker 5: God's hands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and oh my gosh, not it's in the hands

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Speaker 1: of the polygenic corporation. You know, this was the province

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Speaker 1: of North Korea and China only a few years ago,

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Speaker 1: and everybody else reacted, most sane people, with horror.

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Speaker 2: But here it is among us as predicted.

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Speaker 4: There, you can hold technology back a little bit temporarily,

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Speaker 1: All right, it's clearly a bad idea. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't even need to know much about it. It's clearly

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Speaker 1: a bad idea. But China's gonna do it. They'll probably

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Speaker 1: do it exclusively. They'll improbably against the law to have

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Speaker 1: a kid where it's not chosen to be taller, stronger, faster, whatever, smarter. Right,

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Speaker 1: nobody would choose a kid who was almost certainly hyperactive

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Speaker 1: and born annoyed because you mentioned happier blah blah blah. No,

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Speaker 1: you're happy as to bringing to it. I never would

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Speaker 1: have been born, and I'm I'm fairly fond of me.

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Speaker 1: You don't become the person you're going to become in

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Speaker 1: a vacuum. It's the often the most compassionate people are

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Speaker 1: people who who come from violence.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't know. Oh this is terrible. Well,

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Speaker 2: listen to this, you'll look the oil of this.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty two survey of Americans found that four and

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Speaker 1: ten said they would use this technology if it would

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Speaker 4: You know, there are days I think limited life span

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Speaker 2: Man. You're gonna muck around with nature.

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Speaker 1: With under because of the goal of getting your kid

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Speaker 2: The hell that means.

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Speaker 4: Yikes, so they can be more thoroughly indoctrinated into Marxism.

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Speaker 2: This sounds like a recipe for disaster. Yeah it really,

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Speaker 1: This person said, for me, selecting sex felt too overwhelming

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Speaker 1: But quotes of the various studies that lots of people

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I get that, but it's misplaced.

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Speaker 1: But every writer, musician, that's all born out of a

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Speaker 2: Well, and a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of the great civil rights leaders or leaders of overthrowing

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Speaker 1: The last line of this being, if this is the

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Speaker 1: future of making babies, perhaps it's one we must confront collectively.

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Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what they mean by that, but

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Speaker 1: I would assume means by as a society, we ought

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Speaker 1: to decide do we want this, do we legally want

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Speaker 1: But will India do it? Probably India, China, Russia, the

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Speaker 1: North Korea obviously. Two thoughts One from Ed, a twenty

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Speaker 1: a proud Oaki.

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Speaker 2: Live in Oklahoma.

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Speaker 4: How about that I heard the segment where you guys

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Speaker 4: talking about procreation, procreation, the phones are simulating over population.

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Speaker 4: That may be why populations are dropping, reproductive rates, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: My only issue is that there are plenty of places

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Speaker 4: a certain level of boredom required for proper procreation. If

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Speaker 4: advent of the smartphone is ensured that we are never bored,

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Speaker 4: there's limitless entertainment. Couple that with the fact that should

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Speaker 4: you feel amorous, it's effortless now to find more attractive

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Speaker 2: Born, He means, yeah, I proudly admit I am.

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Speaker 4: I am like many scientists, not that I am one

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Speaker 4: really really intrigued by the question of why reproductive rates

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Speaker 4: fall the way they fall, and develop countries and.

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Speaker 2: Always really sure.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a certain level of safety and comfort.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, if you're bored, but you're not struggling

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's just lack of struggle.

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Speaker 4: That might be as a simple as it gets and

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Speaker 4: as true as it gets. Second thought, was it Mike

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 4: He of beaves and butt head and King of the

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Speaker 4: Hill fan. Remember, oh it is Katie Fikes. Yeah a Mike.

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Speaker 4: We don't know each other, big fan, big fan. Nice job,

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Speaker 4: you got to do ideocracy but a designer baby version,

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Speaker 4: or like everybody on earth is tall, good looking and pleasant.

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Speaker 2: And exactly the same like you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And how that just unravels mankind and how

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Speaker 4: we completely lose the ability to innovate and change and

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Speaker 4: do the things we need by the prom.

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Speaker 1: Comes down to, Uh, It's like the other day when

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Speaker 1: I I might have been taking an antibiotic that I

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Speaker 1: and that's you know, that's going to kill off mankind.

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Speaker 1: People take an antabotics they don't need. It's strengthing. And

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Speaker 1: he said, yeah, you're the one that's gonna tip the scales.

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Speaker 1: He said, I would go ahead and finish your antabotic.

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Speaker 2: Your doctor is far more sarcastic than mine. Well he's

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Speaker 2: not my doctor.

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Speaker 1: He's a bad doctor, or my a friend of mine

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Speaker 1: how you get that way as a couple. If they say,

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Speaker 1: you know, all we got to do is tweak this

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Speaker 1: here and your kid's going to be you know, above

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Speaker 1: and I would think, yeah, it's bad for humanity.

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Speaker 4: But like China just had five thousand of these babies

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Speaker 1: My one kid isn't going to tip the scales for humanity, right,

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Speaker 1: And I'd like my kid to be tall, smart, and

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Speaker 1: say no to. Yeah, dang it.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 4: You know if my kids that I'm a half wit troll,

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Speaker 4: so you know, i'd feel bad about it, be like

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Speaker 2: A ken dollar.

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Speaker 1: I actually I'm more concerned about the happy than I

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Speaker 1: am the height and you know, hair color and sex.

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Speaker 2: That the happy, well, what does that even mean?

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Speaker 4: somebody explain what that gene is, how does it do it?

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Speaker 2: And what do you mean by happy?

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Speaker 1: What percentage of like people who have been really successful

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Speaker 2: We're pleasant? Happy people? My experience not that many. I

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Speaker 4: It was a little long and over serious, which makes sense,

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Speaker 4: I guess. Person talking about the concept of happiness and

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Speaker 4: this fair amount, but and they said, no, what you're

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Speaker 4: looking for is to be satisfied. Do work that satisfies you, hard, tiring,

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Speaker 4: of fulfillment. That's what happiness is, cheerfulness, and the rest

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Thrown, I've.

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Speaker 1: Known some cheerful people that never got off their couch

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Speaker 1: and did anything. Uh yes, yeah, I don't know. It's

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Speaker 1: obviously a horrible road for mankind to go down. I

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Speaker 1: think the New York Times point was, we're going down

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Speaker 1: it whether we like it or not, similar to AI.

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Speaker 2: Right, we're going down to whether we like it or not? Right.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, between that and AI were tombed,

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Speaker 4: does a human as as a species rather, we're.

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Speaker 2: So freaking lily, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: Do you tune into that radio show where they talk

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Speaker 1: about the we're all doomed? Yeah, life is going to

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Speaker 1: hell and our best days are behind is that's a

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Speaker 2: You shune in. It's fun.

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Speaker 4: The one guy thinks beavers are going to take over

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Speaker 4: the planet and.

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Speaker 1: The other guy gets extremely worked up over valkilmahberh.

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Speaker 2: Damn Right, Well, I tell you what.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of risks to mankind friends, how about the damn criminals?

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Speaker 1: Simply save home security is peace o mind. FBI crime

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Speaker 1: data shows break ins are more likely during daylight hours

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Speaker 1: than under the cloak and night when you go to work,

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Speaker 1: when you bring your kids to school, protect your stuff,

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Speaker 1: out there willing to get into a gunfight with the

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Speaker 1: bad guys, but you don't. So you need the active

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Speaker 1: guard outdoor protection and no long term contracts or cancellation fees.

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Speaker 1: About a dollar a day, that's pretty amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, read about the active guard protection when you when

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Speaker 1: We've played the clips going back to Letterman in the eighties.

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Speaker 4: How it's actually implemented is a big mystery right now,

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Speaker 1: Say he's calling it Liberation Day. We got more on

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Speaker 1: But okay, so that judges race in Wisconsin. The Democrat

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Speaker 4: How your brain reacts to buying groceries can reveal your politics,

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Speaker 1: Several things that I hate about this I have been

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Speaker 2: Because of Elon Musk.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't see that one common folks, I sucker

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Speaker 4: So I saw the headline about the Supreme Court deal

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Speaker 1: So and as an off year special election which Republicans

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Speaker 2: So there you go. This I do think is true.

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Speaker 1: And this was true for Barack Obama who was in

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Speaker 1: And Trump's the same way, right right, The whole coattails dideh.

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Speaker 4: All right, well, the media is terrible at their jobs

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Speaker 2: It's actually kind of interesting, and some.

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Speaker 4: Tariff talk, but not the sort of dry blah blah

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Speaker 2: We've got some interesting facts behind the facts.

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Speaker 1: And here's my favorite fact of the day I've come

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Speaker 1: across that Will jam In in this last minute, excellent talk

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Speaker 1: about the fifties sixties being the golden era of everything

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Speaker 2: US home ownership.

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Speaker 1: Is one point off the highest it's ever been in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and homes are three times the size on average.

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Speaker 1: So does that not fit in with a lot of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, crisis is the greatest marketing for clicks.

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Speaker 2: I'd say, never ending crisis. Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 1: The tim I like best probably is the liberation of America.

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Speaker 2: It's a liberation of this country.

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Speaker 1: It's a liberation day. According to Donald Trump. No longer

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Speaker 1: I am somewhat agnostic on this. I guess I don't

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Speaker 1: know how it's going to turn out. Here's ABC News

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Speaker 1: their version of the whole Liberation Day thing.

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Speaker 6: The nation and the world bracing for what President Trump

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Speaker 6: calls Liberation Day. In less than twenty four hours, the

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Speaker 6: could upend the global economy.

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Speaker 2: Very reciprocal, so whatever they charge us, we charge them.

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Speaker 6: The scale and targets of Trump's tariffs still unclear, but

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's CNN's version of the story.

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Speaker 7: You have businesses, vendors, and suppliers having conversations about how

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Speaker 7: and ultimately that is what most economists think is going

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Speaker 1: Interesting, I hadn't heard many people say that, yeah, very

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Speaker 1: good bye, good market by market. So the White House

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Speaker 3: They will be effective immediately, and the President has been

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Speaker 3: teasing this for quite some time as they're not going

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Speaker 2: It is going to work.

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Speaker 3: And the President has a brilliant team of advisors who

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Speaker 4: I'm all for the Golden Age of America, restoring the

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Speaker 4: Golden Age of America. I don't particularly like bull crap

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Speaker 1: Well, that's why I brought up that homeownership thing. I mean,

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Speaker 2: That leads me to this.

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Speaker 1: David Harsani, whose rights for The Examiner. He's one of

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Speaker 2: Love David.

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Speaker 1: It's something of a mystery why every modern president, Republican

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Speaker 2: And it is true. Every administration comes in.

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Speaker 1: Taking charge of the most dominant economy for the last

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Speaker 2: One lot, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Every president comes in and takes over the most dominant

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, different directions depending on whether you're a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's an oversimplification, But if you didn't oversimplify any

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Speaker 4: you have an evil communist superpower dumping cheap goods in

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Speaker 2: Down your factories. That's China.

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Speaker 1: Now, China's not the whole tariff deal, far from it,

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Speaker 4: critical things of war if nothing else. Okay, that's absolutely true.

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Speaker 4: And there are countries that are they erect huge tariffs,

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Speaker 4: At the same time, as you pointed out, as soon

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Speaker 4: and the political favors are granted, and the influential congressman

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Speaker 4: become more expensive, and it is a tax on imports.

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Speaker 2: Tariffs are a tax. So all of those things are true.

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Speaker 4: Simultaneously, and every single thing I said was grossly oversimplified,

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Speaker 2: So it's just it's mind bendingly complicated. Well, I don't

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Speaker 1: Practically every conservative economist is against tariffs.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is true.

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Speaker 4: Not a globalism is great, Let's get a going chamber

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Speaker 4: of commerce. Whatever raises profits is good. You can you

443
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Speaker 4: can get you lose your job at the steel plant,

444
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Speaker 4: you can get a job as a computer programmer. You know,

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Speaker 4: you had that brand of Republicanism for a long time.

446
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Speaker 4: And I think there's a big part of conservative America

447
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Speaker 4: that's realizing, oh, y'all got crazy rich, and I can

448
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Speaker 4: get cheap undershirts from China, but my town has gone away.

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Speaker 4: So there's there's a new reality emerging. It's the post

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Speaker 4: post World War or two reality.

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Speaker 2: Right. I don't know why I'm not, but for whatever reason,

452
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Speaker 2: I'm not concerned about this.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's practically ungraspable, which I realized makes

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Speaker 4: us bad talk show hosts. We're supposed to be forcefully

455
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Speaker 4: advocating one view or another and saying that people who

456
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Speaker 4: don't adhere to it are idiots and communists.

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Speaker 2: That is true on many topics.

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Speaker 4: This one is just like I said, it is just

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Speaker 4: mind blowingly complicated. And it's like you're you've got a

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Speaker 4: machine that's got a thousand different settings, and if you tweak,

461
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Speaker 4: say forty one of those settings a little bit, you

462
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Speaker 4: get a different outcome than if you hadn't.

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Speaker 2: So yikes. So I thought I would just pass this along.

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Speaker 1: Mark, don't get to my real China stuff. I'll get

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Speaker 1: to that in a minute, Sorry, Mark Hauprin. In his newsletter,

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Speaker 1: he always refers to the Gang of five hundred, and

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Speaker 1: what he's talking about is, I mean, that's a made

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Speaker 1: up number, but he's talking about just like the the

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Speaker 1: movers and shakers in DC, who are really they they're

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Speaker 1: the important people. They're the ones that run the country,

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Speaker 1: you know, certain house members, certain senators, certain permanent bureocracy,

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Speaker 1: just you know DC. So he uses that as kind

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Speaker 1: of like just to catch all of what the gang

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Speaker 1: of five hundred is thinking about this or that interesting.

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Speaker 4: I'd imagine it's giant lobbyists as well, and that right

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Speaker 4: sort of folks absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Keeping in mind what you just said, which is certainly

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Speaker 1: true that a lot of these people really benefited from

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Speaker 1: all this globalization in a way that your hometown did not.

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Speaker 1: And they don't care, right but the Gang of five hundred,

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Speaker 1: the tariff up sides are nowhere near what Trump thinks

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Speaker 1: they are. They will not, for instance, help produce the

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Speaker 1: depth or deficit, and the downsides are significantly greater than

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Speaker 1: the President thinks. We will be lucky to get one

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Speaker 1: of inflation or recession, but will probably get stagflation. So

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Speaker 1: we're either going to get inflation or recession, but probably

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Speaker 1: get stagflation, which we haven't had for many, many years.

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Speaker 1: This is the greatest act of political and policy suicide,

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Speaker 1: with stupidity a forethought in modern times. That's what the

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Speaker 1: permanent sort of powerful government DC crowd things.

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Speaker 4: That's definitely the idea I've gotten from, say the Wall

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Speaker 4: Street Journal editorial board.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, two things.

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Speaker 4: If I felt like my fabulous profits from globalism were

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Speaker 4: threatened by this move that's exactly what I would say.

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Speaker 4: I would say it as loud as I could go

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Speaker 4: hammer Congress with that message. That doesn't mean I know

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Speaker 4: it to be false.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, it's going to happen, I think, and then

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Speaker 1: we're going to watch and see how it turned out.

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Speaker 4: I retract point number two. Another day, I thought this

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Speaker 4: was super interesting. I was trying to puzzle out why

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Speaker 4: exactly Trump who'd blown up NAFTA in favor of the

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Speaker 4: US Mexico deal, whatever that second one was. I thought

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Speaker 4: it was odd that he was like saying, how incredibly

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Speaker 4: unfair that wasn't wanting to blow it up again?

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And I appreciated one aspect of it, but not nearly enough,

509
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Speaker 4: and that is that when the USMCA, that's what I'm

510
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Speaker 4: looking for, was signed and Tariff's thrown up against China,

511
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Speaker 4: China centrally planned economy, dirty commies. They subsidized an enormous

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Speaker 4: number of giant Chinese factories in Mexico.

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Speaker 2: They just said, all right, we'll move that company into Mexico. Now,

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Speaker 2: you Chinese commedy Jim, You're going to run the plant.

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Speaker 1: And he's like, but I but I, but I but

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Speaker 1: I And so they just moved these companies to Mexico,

517
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Speaker 1: but all the profits are flowing to China.

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Speaker 4: So what does it mean to have a tariff against China?

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Speaker 4: If you can just do the uh, you know, the

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Speaker 4: geographical jig, throw up a factory And I'm looking at

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Speaker 4: a video of this industrial park that sprang out out

522
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Speaker 4: of nowhere, one hundred miles south of our border, and

523
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Speaker 4: the giant plants and shipping what do you call them?

524
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Speaker 4: The shipping hubs there where you got five hundred semis

525
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Speaker 4: backed up to the bays all Chinese. Oh really, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it was essentially built by China, just south in Mexico,

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Speaker 4: south of the border.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Wow, our dateline is I would like to see that.

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Speaker 4: Uh what's the town?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know Mexican geography anyway, really, but China is.

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Speaker 1: Certainly a country that if they got to pay cartel

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Speaker 1: members to make things happen, they don't care.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: We go through our ethics training every year where they

537
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Speaker 4: teach us once again, we're not allowed to bribe foreign

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Speaker 4: port officials. Difficult to imagine the scenario in which I'd

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Speaker 4: be tempted to do that. By God, I never will

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Speaker 4: I've been taught repeatedly that that's just wrong. Hafu San,

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Speaker 4: one of Mexico's new industrial parks, was built on a

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Speaker 4: former cattle ranch, which is around one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 4: five miles south of the border. There are more than

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Speaker 4: twenty Chinese manufacturing firms stretching across land, more than twice

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Speaker 4: as big as New York Central Park and representing a

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Speaker 4: combined investment of billion and a half dollars since it

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Speaker 4: opened in twenty eighteen. Bright red People's Republic of China

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Speaker 4: flags fly alongside those of the US and Mexico at

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Speaker 4: entrances to manufacturing plants in the industrial complex.

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Speaker 1: Wow. I used to travel around Mexico a lot my

551
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Speaker 1: car or motorcycle, and years ago, before I had kids,

552
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Speaker 1: if I had come across a giant industrial park with

553
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Speaker 1: Chinese Communist flags, it would have been uh, You'd have

554
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Speaker 1: thought you'd like become dehydrated.

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Speaker 4: Were hallucinating and says the chairman, the Mexican chairman of

556
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Speaker 4: this giant industrial park. We're expecting the arrival of another

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Speaker 4: twenty companies within the next two years, with an estimate

558
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Speaker 4: of five hundred million dollars invested. The headline by the way,

559
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Speaker 4: in the the aforementioned Wall Street journalist, China's tariff dodging

560
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Speaker 4: move to Mexico looks doomed. Chinese firms invested billions dollars

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Speaker 4: in Mexican factories to make products for the American market,

562
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Speaker 4: shipping goods tariff free under US trade agreement.

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Speaker 2: But it's all now in peril. Interesting.

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Speaker 4: So that's one of the reasons Trump has been so

565
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Speaker 4: motivated to change our trade relationship, especially with Mexico. I honestly,

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Speaker 4: I am just so flabbergasted by the complexity of all this.

567
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Speaker 4: Maybe a uniform tariff is the way to go if

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Speaker 4: you're gonna have tariffs at all. Ah, I know, is

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Speaker 4: Happy Liberation Day to you and yours see you and

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Speaker 4: your uncle Sam outfit Noah, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I probably work'd half the time Taylor in

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Speaker 1: a while back.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, the buttons are kind of straining. But anyway, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so well, I guess we'll find out. How we'll all

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Speaker 4: find out together, how it plays out.

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Speaker 1: The hat doesn't even fit. My head has gotten fat. Yeah, damn,

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Speaker 1: we got more in the ways to hear. Two quick

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00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: things for you before we get into something newsy How

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Speaker 1: your brain reacts to buying groceries can reveal your politics. Awesome,

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Speaker 1: we got this text. I've been listening since twenty ten.

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Speaker 1: Jack's reaction to the top gun Val Kilmer clip was

582
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Speaker 1: the funniest thing I've ever heard. So if you weren't

583
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Speaker 1: listening at the beginning of the show, Grabbed the podcast

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Speaker 1: is an advertisement for the podcast Armstrong Ngetty on demand,

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Speaker 1: where you can catch things that you didn't hear.

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Speaker 2: I just saw an.

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Speaker 4: Ad mad your amused trend. Can you imagine working with

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Speaker 4: a little bit tick like this? It's terrifying that to you.

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Speaker 2: I just saw an ad for a new Beatles biopick.

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Speaker 2: We need that? Yeah, ah biopick.

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Speaker 1: There are four of them, each one focused on a

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Speaker 1: different beetle. What yes, you mean there's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: Ringo biopick, like a whole movie about Ringo.

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Speaker 4: Or a drama or something. I don't it's like a yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's like the Queen movie. Is that a biopick?

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Speaker 2: I guess it is. Yeah. I just wanted my son.

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Speaker 2: I just watched a Queen movie that was really good.

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Speaker 1: It's good movie that was fantastic, very entertain I didn't

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Speaker 1: know Freddy Mercury pretended not to be gay through that

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Speaker 1: most of that whole thing. Oh yeah, I thought the

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Speaker 1: name queen was always like a joke that people didn't

602
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Speaker 1: pick up on or whatever kind of we're all gay.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they weren't all gay. He was the only one,

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Speaker 2: That's what I thought. One.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was young, and he was married to a

606
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Speaker 1: woman and pretending he wasn't gay through all that fame.

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Speaker 2: That was amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he was kind of ambivalent too, sexually, I think. Anyway, Ah,

609
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Speaker 4: seem pretty gay. All right, Well we have a final judgment.

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Speaker 4: There seemed pretty But.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, there's gonna be four Beatles movies, yes, which is

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Speaker 1: at least worth than I need.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I yeah, it's fine.

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Speaker 4: I'm a Beatles freak, but I don't particularly need that

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Speaker 4: for our three.

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Speaker 1: As Reclined of The New York Times, describes the differences

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Speaker 1: between the main difference between Republicans and Democrats as a worldview.

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Speaker 1: And it made my head explode. So we'll get to

619
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Speaker 1: that now. As a recline. Yeah, he is a liberal,

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Speaker 1: snargly well, right, and he was defining their point of view, okay,

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Speaker 1: of the world.

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Speaker 4: I see right, right, Okay, Yeah, I thought he was like,

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Speaker 4: gonna do both. No, just I have no interest in

624
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Speaker 4: Ezra Cline's opinion on conservatism.

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Speaker 1: But we've been following the story of the uh, the

626
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Speaker 1: doctor who tried to push his wife off the cliff

627
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Speaker 1: and she survived, and he was hitting her head with rocks.

628
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Speaker 1: Finally she does an interview and when we get to

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Speaker 1: hear her side of the story. This is from NBC News.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what number it is, whatever number that

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Speaker 2: clip is.

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Speaker 8: The Hawaii woman whose doctor husband is accused of attempting

633
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Speaker 8: to murder her on a popular Awahu hiking trail, sharing

634
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Speaker 8: chilling new details about the terrifying ordeal. In a petition

635
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Speaker 8: for a restraining order, Ario Koenig says, well, attempting to

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Speaker 8: take a selfie with her near the edge of a cliff,

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Speaker 8: her forty six year old husband, Gerhart, pushed her, trying

638
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Speaker 8: to make me fall off, she says, well, fighting back,

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Speaker 8: Gearhart then grabbed a syringe with an unknown substant and

640
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Speaker 8: attempted to inject her with it. The thirty six year

641
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Speaker 8: old says she then bit Gerhart before he began repeatedly

642
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Speaker 8: hitting her with a rock. She says, Gearhart finally stopped

643
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Speaker 8: and ran off after two women witnesses appeared on the

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Speaker 8: trail and began shouting and calling nine one one. According

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Speaker 8: to the restraining order petition, Ariel says she learned that

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Speaker 8: after the altercation, Gerhart, covered in blood, facetimed his adult son,

647
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Speaker 8: allegedly telling him I just tried to kill Ari but

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Speaker 8: she got away, and that he wanted to kill himself

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Speaker 8: by jumping off a cliff.

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Speaker 1: What he faced time their son to say, I just

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Speaker 1: tried to kill mom or his son.

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Speaker 4: His son, Yeah, I don't know what their family structure is,

653
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Speaker 4: but that's wild. Well lose his mom unhinged, did something unspeakable,

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Speaker 4: realized it thought I had to hurl myself off this cliff.

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Speaker 2: That would make more sense without the syringe.

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Speaker 1: The syringe which we mentioned last week, led me to

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Speaker 1: believe is completely premeditated. The e fact that he had

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Speaker 1: a syringe at hand to inject her with something, well, right,

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Speaker 1: even if you're a doctor and you travel with your

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Speaker 1: kit in case you come across a medical emergency, you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have the syringe all loaded up unless he was

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Speaker 1: just well, She says, there was an unknown substance trying

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Speaker 1: to inject her.

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Speaker 2: I mean unless he was just jabbiner with needles a karamba.

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Speaker 1: And then he facetimes the kid to say, I just

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Speaker 1: tried to kill her.

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Speaker 2: Wow, So how are you doing? Yeah? Oof, poor kid

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Speaker 2: getting that call. Yeah, then he hangs up. Okay, I

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Speaker 2: guess I'll just go back about my day. Yeah, what

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Speaker 2: was I gonna do? Honey? Oh that's right, walk the dog?

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Speaker 2: Oh man?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I karamba. So we got that Ezraklin thing I'm

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Speaker 4: looking forward to. Also, your brain reacting to buying groceries

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Speaker 4: study really interesting. It can reveal your political preference and

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Speaker 4: this is not a joke, and it may make you

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Speaker 4: slightly more charitable towards folks of a different political stripe.

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Speaker 2: Oh cool, they're.

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Speaker 1: Still wrong as hell, but be nice about awesome, A

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Speaker 1: lot of good stuff. An hour three, don't throw them

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Speaker 1: off a cliff.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty