Speaker 1: If you're just tuning into Civic Cipher, I'm your host
Speaker 1: Rams's job.
Speaker 2: I go by the name of Q Ward.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, and plenty more to stick around for as well,
Speaker 1: so be sure to do just that. We are going
Speaker 1: to revisit a conversation that we had last week about
Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse and the verdict from his trial. I've got
Speaker 1: some things that I really want to say that I
Speaker 1: really think are important to say, and I'm a little
Speaker 1: anxious to get your reaction to what I'm about to say, Q.
Speaker 1: But also, you know, we need to respond to some
Speaker 1: issues that people have taken online. And of course I
Speaker 1: mentioned that we were going to get into the Black Codes,
Speaker 1: and so this week I made it a point to
Speaker 1: do a little research on the Black Codes. So stick
Speaker 1: around for the Black Codes far our way black History fact.
Speaker 1: But for now, we are going to discuss how to
Speaker 1: become a better ally BA BA And today's suggestion as
Speaker 1: far as becoming a better ally is find a community
Speaker 1: of like minded individuals. Now, you know, I live in Phoenix,
Speaker 1: Q lives in Atlanta, and you know, there's lots of
Speaker 1: groups on the ground, you know, in all over the place,
Speaker 1: and there's some national groups as well. But the group
Speaker 1: that I found in Phoenix, I really get a kick
Speaker 1: out of these guys. And there's not just one group
Speaker 1: for one type of people. There's groups, you know, all
Speaker 1: over the place, people that are like you, that feel
Speaker 1: like the world should be fair, and you know, people
Speaker 1: that share your ideas and your values, and instead of
Speaker 1: us being kind of fragmented and you know, scattered around
Speaker 1: our cities, look for a little bit of community to
Speaker 1: plug into. One such group out here is called White
Speaker 1: Pause Phoenix White Paws, and that stands for white people
Speaker 1: against white supremacy. And what these guys do is, you know,
Speaker 1: ifever there's a speaking engagement by black folks, excuse me,
Speaker 1: a black person, they'll come and they'll len support. They'll
Speaker 1: stand as a physical barrier between this black person who
Speaker 1: they want to make sure is protected and police or
Speaker 1: counter protesters or whatever. And essentially they're using their privilege
Speaker 1: quote unquote to ensure that no harm comes to these
Speaker 1: black folks. And I do a ton of other things
Speaker 1: that I can't go into. This is just one group,
Speaker 1: but I know that there's different groups around and so
Speaker 1: this week's recommendation is, you know, find a little bit
Speaker 1: of community plug in, follow some folks on Instagram or Twitter.
Speaker 1: In fact, White Pause is at white Pause PHX for Phoenix.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: You know, you can check them out and they can
Speaker 1: plug you with someone in your local area who perhaps
Speaker 1: does the same thing. So that's how you can become
Speaker 1: a better ally now, Kyle Rittenhouse, I'll be the first
Speaker 1: to admit, not a lot of folks watch this show
Speaker 1: on YouTube. It's a radio show. It's just you know,
Speaker 1: after COVID, we were able to do our show differently
Speaker 1: and and still put it out. And then fortunately for us,
Speaker 1: it's the national program. So we're you know, coast to
Speaker 1: coast now and a couple of things. You know, we
Speaker 1: don't always get everything right, and we also don't purport
Speaker 1: ourselves to be experts on anything, but when we're wrong,
Speaker 1: we'll say it. And because there are people who watch
Speaker 1: the show on YouTube rather than listen on the radio
Speaker 1: or downloaded as a podcast after the fact, because those
Speaker 1: folks exist, they're able to leave comments and they interact
Speaker 1: with the show a bit differently. A very very small
Speaker 1: number of people, I promise you, not even we're looking into.
Speaker 1: But when someone's right, they're right. And when someone brings
Speaker 1: up a good point or a point that illuminates their position.
Speaker 1: I think it makes for not just good radio and
Speaker 1: compelling content for a radio show, but a healthy dialogue.
Speaker 1: And that's what I want to have today. Now. Granted,
Speaker 1: I recognize I'm more in a position of power, and
Speaker 1: so I'll be mindful of that as I talk to you. Know,
Speaker 1: obviously you know the same rules apply to you, because
Speaker 1: we're doing rather more than just leaving a comment on
Speaker 1: a video. But with that said, right is right and
Speaker 1: wrong is wrong. So the first thing I want to
Speaker 1: acknowledge is that I did not watch the trial for
Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse. I felt like I had no reason to
Speaker 1: watch the trial, especially after uh, I think you and
Speaker 1: I kind of tuned out at the same time. What
Speaker 1: was the judge did something or whatever?
Speaker 2: What was it besides throwing out the charge for the.
Speaker 1: I think that age the start, right, I think that
Speaker 1: might have been it. Where at that point it was
Speaker 1: even before the things started, We're like, okay this, we
Speaker 1: see how this is going, and it went that way, right.
Speaker 1: But to be fair, no, didn't watch the trial, and
Speaker 1: we didn't have a reaction to the trials play by
Speaker 1: play per se as much as we had a reaction
Speaker 1: to the verdict of the trial and what that meant,
Speaker 1: the precedent that it's set right now, this sounds like
Speaker 1: I'm defending myself, and you know, there is one thing
Speaker 1: that I do need to make sure that we set
Speaker 1: the record straight for because again, wrong is wrong and
Speaker 1: we were wrong. I think you might have said that
Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse's mom drove him across state lines to this protest,
Speaker 1: and that one part was not true. His mom did
Speaker 1: not drive him. That was something that started on the
Speaker 1: internet early, you know, and we both read that, both
Speaker 1: held that to be true until I actually looked into
Speaker 1: it based on a comment someone left on the video.
Speaker 1: Right is right. Wrong is wrong. We've been wrong on
Speaker 1: the show before and we've had to come back and
Speaker 1: set the record straight. That's what journalistic integrity is about.
Speaker 1: And we're not you know above that we were absolutely
Speaker 1: call it when that's what it is. But I don't
Speaker 1: think that it takes away from the thrust of what
Speaker 1: we were saying last week, the implications of the verdict
Speaker 1: and what that means. There were people that were picking
Speaker 1: apart the deceased and like, oh, this guy did this
Speaker 1: long time ago, and this guy is a pedophile, and
Speaker 1: this guy beat up his grandma on this, that and
Speaker 1: the other. That's neither of us were saying, Hey, these
Speaker 1: guys were saints. You know, we counted them as allies,
Speaker 1: and we counted them as allies because they were out
Speaker 1: We believe in support of Jacob Blake and standing in
Speaker 1: solidarity with Jacob Blake. That's our belief, our held belief.
Speaker 1: But even if those things weren't true, the fact that
Speaker 1: they were at a protest and a person brought a gun,
Speaker 1: a big gun like a chopper, you know, uh, what
Speaker 1: do they call it? A k or ar? Some sort
Speaker 1: of like fifteen Sure, you know more about our stands
Speaker 1: for assault rifle. See the fact that he brought that
Speaker 1: out and was himself patrolling the streets. In our estimation,
Speaker 1: he's the threat. We saw. Earlier this week there was
Speaker 1: a school shooting in Q's hometown, Detroit, and you know
Speaker 1: those kids, they didn't get to go home, you know
Speaker 1: that they they didn't get to go home anymore. That
Speaker 1: was it for them. Right, We saw that happen, and
Speaker 1: I can't help but think, Okay, so this very right wing,
Speaker 1: very i'll call it republican idea that the only thing
Speaker 1: that stops a bad guy with a gun is a
Speaker 1: good guy with a gun.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: That's not something that's new, That's something that these folks
Speaker 1: have been talking about since words have existed. I'm sure, right,
Speaker 1: when you see a guy with a gun, do you
Speaker 1: wait for him to start killing people before you take action?
Speaker 1: Because if that's the case, then we really have to
Speaker 1: look critically at this most recent school shooting and in fact,
Speaker 1: all school shootings. You know, obviously there shouldn't be a
Speaker 1: child with a gun on campus North should there be
Speaker 1: a child with an assault rifle walking in the middle
Speaker 1: of the street during a protest, because everything about it
Speaker 1: screams active shooter, right, And this is what we were
Speaker 1: speaking to last week. The implications of the verdict of
Speaker 1: that trial again emboldens a group of people who feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't agree with this, so let's go
Speaker 1: out there and get busy. I'm gonna take matters into
Speaker 1: my own hands. And for those that know the story
Speaker 1: about are what we know of this story about this
Speaker 1: most recent active shooter in Detroit as of this recording
Speaker 1: is that he was a child, and my belief is
Speaker 1: that he's a white child. You know, I haven't confirmed that,
Speaker 1: but I've seen pictures of him. It looks whitish to me,
Speaker 1: not too dissimilar from Kyle Rittenhouse in terms of his appearance.
Speaker 1: Takes a gun, goes to school, and executes human beings
Speaker 1: he believes are treating him unfairly a right, and he
Speaker 1: asked for a lawyer. So that doesn't mean he's falling
Speaker 1: on the sword. He's not owning it. He's not eating
Speaker 1: any crow. If you're going to ask for a lawyer,
Speaker 1: you believe that you're going to have a way out,
Speaker 1: or at least get some leniency from the court. And
Speaker 1: I ramses am able to draw a direct line in
Speaker 1: the span of seven days or eight days or whatever,
Speaker 1: from Kyle Rittenhouse to this most recent active shooter. I
Speaker 1: didn't put his name in here because I don't believe
Speaker 1: him to be another significant point in the story of
Speaker 1: this country. Kyle Rittenhouse, I believe that was a major point.
Speaker 1: Anybody else. I don't really feel like it's appropriate to
Speaker 1: say there names and give them any sort of glory.
Speaker 1: It's certainly not for ending the lives of other human beings,
Speaker 1: you know. And since we're here, I want to say this,
Speaker 1: Q and I both of us. Que tell folks about
Speaker 1: hashtag lunchback.
Speaker 2: It's infancy, it's impact.
Speaker 1: Just what is what is it? You and I we do,
Speaker 1: go ahead, you tell them what it is.
Speaker 2: Once a month, Ramsas and I and a group of
Speaker 2: volunteers who have been now working with us for eight
Speaker 2: or nine years get together and put together lunch bags, food, water,
Speaker 2: hygiene products, socks, de odorant, toothpaste for less fortunate people,
Speaker 2: people who don't have a regular place to stay, or
Speaker 2: people who don't get regular meals. We try to, even
Speaker 2: if it's a small thing, provide something for them as
Speaker 2: often as we can. And where do we find these
Speaker 2: people that we give these things to a lot of
Speaker 2: them are concentrated downtown Phoenix. Do some stay on a
Speaker 2: campus from you know, periodically. Others live on the street
Speaker 2: on the sidewalk.
Speaker 1: Right and I'd say the vast majority of them live
Speaker 1: on the sidewalk. And there are some others who live
Speaker 1: under bridges or whatever, but all of them are unsheltered. Now,
Speaker 1: when we go out, and I'm making a point that
Speaker 1: anyone who hasn't has an adversarial advantage point will be
Speaker 1: able to you know, they'll be able to know the
Speaker 1: point I'm making when you and I go out and
Speaker 1: we feed you know, the homeless, our unsheltered brothers and sisters,
Speaker 1: and we do it once a month. When we go
Speaker 1: out and do that, we don't qualify the people that
Speaker 1: we give food to. We don't say, well, you get
Speaker 1: some food because you know you have no criminal background,
Speaker 1: and you don't get any food because a long time
Speaker 1: ago you did this. That and the third right, we're
Speaker 1: not ignorant and we're not naive. Q and I. We
Speaker 1: recognize that some of those people have sex offenses, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's why our volunteer base is very well protected
Speaker 1: and insulated from you know, potential harm. And you know,
Speaker 1: we move with caution. As Q said, I think we're
Speaker 1: probably not going on ten years, never had an incident
Speaker 1: out there on the streets, right, And a huge amount
Speaker 1: of our volunteer bases women, and along with women comes children,
Speaker 1: So we don't hold the worst thing someone has done
Speaker 1: against them. With that said, we also recognize the severity
Speaker 1: of some people's past criminal activity, the heinous nature of it, etc.
Speaker 1: On and on. But if we're out here in the
Speaker 1: name of love, if we're out here with the spirit
Speaker 1: of love and the idea is to help bolster this
Speaker 1: community and fourtify folks who don't have the capacity to
Speaker 1: do so themselves. Then that's what we're going to do.
Speaker 1: And we're not going to qualify that. And so folks
Speaker 1: picking a part a person's life after they've been killed
Speaker 1: on a sidewalk feels a little unfair. It doesn't allow
Speaker 1: for folks to have perhaps become rehabilitated, you know, that's
Speaker 1: part of you know, the corrections facility of their prison
Speaker 1: rehabilitation centers or whatever it is that folks call them.
Speaker 1: The idea there is that you go to these places
Speaker 1: so that you won't commit crimes again, right, And so
Speaker 1: I think there's a fundamental idea built into the criminal
Speaker 1: justice system, as flawed as it is, that human beings
Speaker 1: can be rehabilitated. Right, That's not lost on us. And
Speaker 1: so I think that folks picking apart the deceased after
Speaker 1: the fact feels like a cheap shot. This is my opinion.
Speaker 1: This is my show or our show, and I feel
Speaker 1: like it's important to say that as well. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of other things that are generalizations that we did
Speaker 1: make on last week's show that weren't specific to Kyle Rittenhouse,
Speaker 1: but in our estimation and based on our lived experience, is.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 1: In other words, I believe we had a comment last
Speaker 1: week that Kyle Rittenhouse was given a water bottle on
Speaker 1: the street, and someone took issue with that and left
Speaker 1: a comment saying the police didn't give them a water bottle,
Speaker 1: they pepper sprayed him and they put them in the
Speaker 1: back of the car, you know, something like that. But
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that when that was said that we
Speaker 1: were referring to that specific instance. Rather, what we were
Speaker 1: referring to is a general approach that police tend to
Speaker 1: have when the person there arresting either looks more like
Speaker 1: them or has a similar belief system as them, versus
Speaker 1: when the person doesn't. Right, if you're a public servant,
Speaker 1: then you serve the public in theory, that would be equally.
Speaker 1: And you know, when we hear about what's the guy
Speaker 1: that shot up that churp number mine, we don't even
Speaker 1: need to say his name, but there was a guy
Speaker 1: that shot up a church. He was a Confederate flag guy.
Speaker 1: I think his name was Rufe, Dylan Rufe something like that. Anyway,
Speaker 1: shot up a black church. I think nine people died there.
Speaker 1: Older people lost their life in church.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 1: I believe before he was taken in he got burger king.
Speaker 1: You know, I remember the guy that shot up the
Speaker 1: movie theater in Colorado with the red hair. Didn't they
Speaker 1: do something that was like you know, they didn't beat
Speaker 1: him before they took him in. And this is the
Speaker 1: point I think we were trying to make, you know,
Speaker 1: apprehending someone even if you know Pepper sprang someone like that,
Speaker 1: it shows that there is a different approach. Right if
Speaker 1: there was a black If Kyle Rittenhouse was a black
Speaker 1: male with that chopper, he would have got Our belief
Speaker 1: is that he would have been executed right there. And
Speaker 1: so the points that we were trying to make, we
Speaker 1: don't want to get lost in the minution. The detail.
Speaker 1: You know, what we're trying to say last week and
Speaker 1: this week again is the implications of that we don't
Speaker 1: want allies, We don't want folks who believe in a
Speaker 1: better tomorrow to lose sight of what we're working for
Speaker 1: and succumb to fear. And that verdict could create a
Speaker 1: ripple effect where allies could become a lot more fearful.
Speaker 1: But with all that said, I do want to say
Speaker 1: something that might get me in some trouble, but again,
Speaker 1: this is our show and we can do it. So
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to my white brothers specifically this time.
Speaker 1: I know that the world is changing, the world is
Speaker 1: changing in a lot of ways, and I know that
Speaker 1: you've been lied to, and I know that there are
Speaker 1: people mark Zuckerberg, who profit from your fear, and they
Speaker 1: have an avested interest in scaring you at every single
Speaker 1: possible point in your life. And don't get caught up
Speaker 1: into the word scared, because I know your men were
Speaker 1: all men. You know, we're not scared of nothing. But
Speaker 1: think in terms of like afraid that you're going to
Speaker 1: lose your identity, or afraid that everyone is out to
Speaker 1: get you, or that you were born and everywhere you turn,
Speaker 1: just being a white man is the crime, and you're
Speaker 1: the source of everything that plagues the world. That feeling
Speaker 1: has got to be overwhelming, and I understand. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it feels like personally, but I'm trying to empathize.
Speaker 1: I recognize that the life expectancy of white men is declining.
Speaker 1: I recognize there's an opioid epidemic that's affecting your people.
Speaker 1: I recognize that the cultural landscape of a place that
Speaker 1: you call home is changing. I recognize that the world,
Speaker 1: the way that you view it, a place where you
Speaker 1: can stand confidently in the middle of yourself, where everything
Speaker 1: is available to you as an option, is changing in
Speaker 1: your lifetime. I recognize now that it might be a
Speaker 1: scary time for these reasons, and a hundred other reasons.
Speaker 1: You know, some of which are based in reality, some
Speaker 1: of which are imagined. You know you perhaps have an
Speaker 1: unhealthy fear of Mexican people coming across the border and
Speaker 1: taking your job. That might be a real thing in
Speaker 1: your mind. It's not a real thing in the real world.
Speaker 1: But I recognize that the fear feels the same no
Speaker 1: matter how you look at it.
Speaker 3: Right and.
Speaker 1: As hard as the world is, and as and as
Speaker 1: few things as you have to latch onto your patriotism
Speaker 1: and supporting the police and trying to hold on to
Speaker 1: what you think the world should be like, I reckon.
Speaker 1: I can see it now. It's it's it feels like
Speaker 1: you might be afraid of what is to come. And
Speaker 1: I want to say with these last few seconds to
Speaker 1: you that you are still my brothers, and that I
Speaker 1: still love you. And I recognize that this is a
Speaker 1: time of transformation, and for the next twenty years it
Speaker 1: may continue to be that place. And I know that
Speaker 1: you guys say some stuff that's very hurtful, and we
Speaker 1: say some stuff that doesn't line up with the way
Speaker 1: you see the world, right, And it doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, right, But I have no ego here at present.
Speaker 1: The power is still yours. I want you to know
Speaker 1: that I love you, and when those things change, I
Speaker 1: will still love you, and I will still support you,
Speaker 1: and I will always defend your right to exist. And
Speaker 1: if I do nothing else, I will do that. Don't
Speaker 1: be afraid. I'm your brother. Let's get your reaction to
Speaker 1: this way black history fact? Does that work? Okay?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Well, I did a little research on history dot com
Speaker 1: this week looked up the Black Codes, so I will
Speaker 1: read and get your thoughts, que and we'll go from there. So,
Speaker 1: for those who don't know, the Black Codes were restrictive
Speaker 1: laws designed to limit the freedom of African Americans and
Speaker 1: ensure their availability as a cheap labor force after slavery
Speaker 1: was abolished during the Civil War, though the Union victory
Speaker 1: had given some four million enslaved people their freedom. The
Speaker 1: question of freed black's status in the post war South
Speaker 1: was still very much unresolved. Under black hose, many states
Speaker 1: required black people to sign yearly labor contract. If they refused,
Speaker 1: they risked being arrested, fined, and forced into unpaid labor.
Speaker 1: Outrage over black codes helped undermine support for President Andrew
Speaker 1: Johnson and the Republican Party. Johnson, a former senator from
Speaker 1: Tennessee who had remained loyal to the Union during the war,
Speaker 1: was a firm supporter of states' rights and believed the
Speaker 1: federal government had no say in issues such as voting
Speaker 1: requirements at the state level. Under his reconstruction policies, which
Speaker 1: began in May eighteen sixty five, the former Confederate states
Speaker 1: were required to uphold the abolition of slavery made official
Speaker 1: by the thirteenth Amendment to the US Constitution, swear loyalty
Speaker 1: to the Union, and pay off their war debts. Beyond
Speaker 1: those limitations, those states and their ruling class, traditionally dominated
Speaker 1: by white planters, were given a relatively freehand in rebuilding
Speaker 1: their own governments, even as former enslaved people fought to
Speaker 1: assert their independence and gain economic autonomy. During the earliest
Speaker 1: years of reconstruction, white landowners acted to control the labor
Speaker 1: force through a system similar to the one that it
Speaker 1: existed during slavery, that's the Black Coats. To that end,
Speaker 1: in late eighteen sixty five, Mississippi and South Carolina enacted
Speaker 1: the first Black Coats. Mississippi's law required black people to
Speaker 1: have written evidence of employment for the coming year each January.
Speaker 1: If they left before the end of the contract, they
Speaker 1: would be forced to forfeit earlier wages and were subject
Speaker 1: to arrest. Under Johnson's reconstruction policies, nearly all Southern states
Speaker 1: would enact their own Black Codes in eighteen sixty five
Speaker 1: and eighteen sixty six. While the codes granted certain freedoms
Speaker 1: to African Americans, including the right to buy and own property, marry,
Speaker 1: make contracts, and testify in court only in cases involving
Speaker 1: people of their own race, their primary purpose was to
Speaker 1: restrict black people's labor and activity. Some states limited the
Speaker 1: type of property that black people could own, while virtually
Speaker 1: all the former Confederate states passed strict vagrancy and labor
Speaker 1: contract laws, as well as so called anti enticement measures
Speaker 1: designed to punish anyone who offered higher wages to a
Speaker 1: black laborer already under contract. Black people who broke labor
Speaker 1: contracts were subject to arrest, beating, and forced labor and
Speaker 1: apprenticeship laws forced many miners, either orphans or those whose
Speaker 1: parents were deemed unable to support them by a judge,
Speaker 1: into unpaid labor for white planters. Passed by a political
Speaker 1: system in which black people effectively had no voice, The
Speaker 1: Black codes were enforced enforced sorry by an all white
Speaker 1: police and state militia forces often made up of Confederate
Speaker 1: veterans of the Civil War across the South. I'm almost
Speaker 1: done by eighteen seventy seven, when the last federal soldiers
Speaker 1: left the set and reconstruction drew to a close. Black
Speaker 1: people had seen little improvement in their economic and social status,
Speaker 1: and the vigorous efforts of white supremacist forces throughout the
Speaker 1: region had undone the political gains they had made. Discrimination
Speaker 1: would continue in America with the rise of Jim Crow laws.
Speaker 1: So that's the next thing that comes after the Black hotes,
Speaker 1: but would inspire the civil rights movement to come. All right,
Speaker 1: how much of that did you know about? The Black coats?
Speaker 1: All of it?
Speaker 2: And it speaks to the evolution of what we spoke,
Speaker 2: We've spoken about several times in the show with slave
Speaker 2: patrols that after the abolishment of slaveries became militia or police,
Speaker 2: and as effectively as has much of our country's rhetoric, laws,
Speaker 2: thoughts on rights, the Constitution, and etc. Remained in the
Speaker 2: spirit of how it was written in late seventeen hundreds.
Speaker 2: I cannot pretend that there has been zero progress since then,
Speaker 2: but I can be outraged at how little you and
Speaker 2: I saw a graphic earlier in the week, and what
Speaker 2: the graphic meant, I'm not really sure, but it did
Speaker 2: show a timeline of our country's history and how much
Speaker 2: of that history with slavery, and how much of that
Speaker 2: history was segregation, and how much of that history was
Speaker 2: post slavery and segregation. And if this is the entire thing,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to take up my whole picture here, just
Speaker 2: this part was post slavery and segregation. So a lot
Speaker 2: of things post slavery were put into place to maintain
Speaker 2: the current system as long as possible, while coloring in
Speaker 2: those blurred lines that black people, as you said, had
Speaker 2: no power to really fight against. You know, yeah, you're free,
Speaker 2: but if you do this you're still kind of not free,
Speaker 2: So yeah, you did this, so you're still kind of
Speaker 2: not free. Like they could really direct that in whatever
Speaker 2: direction and hide it in whatever type of legal language
Speaker 2: they wanted to to maintain the status quo. So yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of the things that we talk about on
Speaker 2: this show, we are not historians and we are not experts.
Speaker 2: This is an opinion show based mostly on our life
Speaker 2: experience and the things that we have read and encountered
Speaker 2: over our lives. And then you know, most of the
Speaker 2: history that we've read before our lives. We do not
Speaker 2: have our encyclopedia or Britannic and handy when we're speaking here,
Speaker 2: but we were speaking an envelope of truth. And the
Speaker 2: idea ramses is that we're apologizing for missed semantics. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I can't do that every week.
Speaker 2: So I hope you guys got that today and are
Speaker 2: happy with it. But q Ward won't be on this
Speaker 2: show apologizing for the idea that Kyle Rittenhouse was throwing
Speaker 2: a bottle of water by the police.
Speaker 1: It's on video, folks. We didn't make that up.
Speaker 2: Riven by his mom. We're sorry. We only assume that
Speaker 2: because he's a kid. We weren't trying to make the
Speaker 2: story more grand or make him more criminal. Right, the
Speaker 2: kid murdered people. He drew that, which makes it worse.
Speaker 2: He drove there, spent the night, got an assault rifle
Speaker 2: from a friend, went to a protest, and murdered people.
Speaker 2: We didn't make that part up.
Speaker 3: Guys, that happened. That's he murdered people. He walked toward
Speaker 3: police where by standards told the police, hey, he just
Speaker 3: shot people, and they did nothing to him. We didn't
Speaker 3: make that part up either. It's also on video, So
Speaker 3: I hope you guys got what you needed from ramses.
Speaker 3: I am not trying to embode in or infuriate or
Speaker 3: even be adversarial, but to find the semantic to try
Speaker 3: to pick at the argument is nonsensically right.
Speaker 2: What we were saying is that what the kid did
Speaker 2: was wrong, and we knew at a point that he
Speaker 2: wouldn't be held accountable. So yes, we stopped paying attention,
Speaker 2: so we didn't see the part in court where it
Speaker 2: was unchallenged that his mom drove him there. I stopped
Speaker 2: watching the trial, and it was very clear that this
Speaker 2: kid who murdered people was going to live a prosperous
Speaker 2: normal life afterwards because he was a white kid. Hard stop.
Speaker 2: If he looks like me and he murdered three people
Speaker 2: with an assault rifle, he's not free. He doesn't probably
Speaker 2: survive that night. He definitely doesn't walk towards the cops
Speaker 2: with then ar fifth teen as people are shouting he
Speaker 2: just killed two people and get to go home and
Speaker 2: make it the trial safe. He was not arrested and
Speaker 2: pepper sprayed on the scene. If he was pepper sprayed,
Speaker 2: it was probably by people trying to stop him from
Speaker 2: killing people, not law enforcement. Again semantics, So if we
Speaker 2: misread a sentence or we misquoted something, it was not
Speaker 2: an effort to make the story more left or right leaning.
Speaker 2: The general understanding of what we were saying is true.
Speaker 2: Well said, give me for not using my time to apologize. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: you're good, you're good. No, you should you and you shouldn't.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, well said, And I think that's it
Speaker 2: for us. We're gonna have to leave it right there. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: we can't go too much further. So if you're just
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