WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 120421 One More Thing about Kyle Rittenhouse (Part B)

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<v Speaker 1>If you're just tuning into Civic Cipher, I'm your host

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<v Speaker 1>Rams's job.

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<v Speaker 2>I go by the name of Q Ward.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, indeed, and plenty more to stick around for as well,

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<v Speaker 1>so be sure to do just that. We are going

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<v Speaker 1>to revisit a conversation that we had last week about

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Rittenhouse and the verdict from his trial. I've got

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<v Speaker 1>some things that I really want to say that I

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<v Speaker 1>really think are important to say, and I'm a little

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<v Speaker 1>anxious to get your reaction to what I'm about to say, Q.

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<v Speaker 1>But also, you know, we need to respond to some

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<v Speaker 1>issues that people have taken online. And of course I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that we were going to get into the Black Codes,

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<v Speaker 1>and so this week I made it a point to

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<v Speaker 1>do a little research on the Black Codes. So stick

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<v Speaker 1>around for the Black Codes far our way black History fact.

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<v Speaker 1>But for now, we are going to discuss how to

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<v Speaker 1>become a better ally BA BA And today's suggestion as

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<v Speaker 1>far as becoming a better ally is find a community

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<v Speaker 1>of like minded individuals. Now, you know, I live in Phoenix,

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<v Speaker 1>Q lives in Atlanta, and you know, there's lots of

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<v Speaker 1>groups on the ground, you know, in all over the place,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's some national groups as well. But the group

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<v Speaker 1>that I found in Phoenix, I really get a kick

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<v Speaker 1>out of these guys. And there's not just one group

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<v Speaker 1>for one type of people. There's groups, you know, all

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<v Speaker 1>over the place, people that are like you, that feel

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<v Speaker 1>like the world should be fair, and you know, people

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<v Speaker 1>that share your ideas and your values, and instead of

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<v Speaker 1>us being kind of fragmented and you know, scattered around

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<v Speaker 1>our cities, look for a little bit of community to

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<v Speaker 1>plug into. One such group out here is called White

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<v Speaker 1>Pause Phoenix White Paws, and that stands for white people

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<v Speaker 1>against white supremacy. And what these guys do is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ifever there's a speaking engagement by black folks, excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>a black person, they'll come and they'll len support. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>stand as a physical barrier between this black person who

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<v Speaker 1>they want to make sure is protected and police or

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<v Speaker 1>counter protesters or whatever. And essentially they're using their privilege

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote to ensure that no harm comes to these

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<v Speaker 1>black folks. And I do a ton of other things

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<v Speaker 1>that I can't go into. This is just one group,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know that there's different groups around and so

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<v Speaker 1>this week's recommendation is, you know, find a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of community plug in, follow some folks on Instagram or Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, White Pause is at white Pause PHX for Phoenix.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you can check them out and they can

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<v Speaker 1>plug you with someone in your local area who perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>does the same thing. So that's how you can become

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<v Speaker 1>a better ally now, Kyle Rittenhouse, I'll be the first

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<v Speaker 1>to admit, not a lot of folks watch this show

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<v Speaker 1>on YouTube. It's a radio show. It's just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>after COVID, we were able to do our show differently

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<v Speaker 1>and and still put it out. And then fortunately for us,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the national program. So we're you know, coast to

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<v Speaker 1>coast now and a couple of things. You know, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't always get everything right, and we also don't purport

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves to be experts on anything, but when we're wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll say it. And because there are people who watch

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<v Speaker 1>the show on YouTube rather than listen on the radio

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<v Speaker 1>or downloaded as a podcast after the fact, because those

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<v Speaker 1>folks exist, they're able to leave comments and they interact

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<v Speaker 1>with the show a bit differently. A very very small

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<v Speaker 1>number of people, I promise you, not even we're looking into.

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<v Speaker 1>But when someone's right, they're right. And when someone brings

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<v Speaker 1>up a good point or a point that illuminates their position.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it makes for not just good radio and

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<v Speaker 1>compelling content for a radio show, but a healthy dialogue.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what I want to have today. Now. Granted,

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<v Speaker 1>I recognize I'm more in a position of power, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I'll be mindful of that as I talk to you. Know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you know the same rules apply to you, because

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing rather more than just leaving a comment on

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<v Speaker 1>a video. But with that said, right is right and

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<v Speaker 1>wrong is wrong. So the first thing I want to

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledge is that I did not watch the trial for

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Rittenhouse. I felt like I had no reason to

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<v Speaker 1>watch the trial, especially after uh, I think you and

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of tuned out at the same time. What

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<v Speaker 1>was the judge did something or whatever?

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<v Speaker 2>What was it besides throwing out the charge for the.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that age the start, right, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>might have been it. Where at that point it was

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<v Speaker 1>even before the things started, We're like, okay this, we

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<v Speaker 1>see how this is going, and it went that way, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But to be fair, no, didn't watch the trial, and

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't have a reaction to the trials play by

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<v Speaker 1>play per se as much as we had a reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to the verdict of the trial and what that meant,

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<v Speaker 1>the precedent that it's set right now, this sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm defending myself, and you know, there is one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I do need to make sure that we set

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<v Speaker 1>the record straight for because again, wrong is wrong and

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<v Speaker 1>we were wrong. I think you might have said that

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Rittenhouse's mom drove him across state lines to this protest,

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<v Speaker 1>and that one part was not true. His mom did

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<v Speaker 1>not drive him. That was something that started on the

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<v Speaker 1>internet early, you know, and we both read that, both

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<v Speaker 1>held that to be true until I actually looked into

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<v Speaker 1>it based on a comment someone left on the video.

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<v Speaker 1>Right is right. Wrong is wrong. We've been wrong on

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<v Speaker 1>the show before and we've had to come back and

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<v Speaker 1>set the record straight. That's what journalistic integrity is about.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're not you know above that we were absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>call it when that's what it is. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that it takes away from the thrust of what

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<v Speaker 1>we were saying last week, the implications of the verdict

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<v Speaker 1>and what that means. There were people that were picking

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<v Speaker 1>apart the deceased and like, oh, this guy did this

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<v Speaker 1>long time ago, and this guy is a pedophile, and

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<v Speaker 1>this guy beat up his grandma on this, that and

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<v Speaker 1>the other. That's neither of us were saying, Hey, these

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<v Speaker 1>guys were saints. You know, we counted them as allies,

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<v Speaker 1>and we counted them as allies because they were out

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<v Speaker 1>We believe in support of Jacob Blake and standing in

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<v Speaker 1>solidarity with Jacob Blake. That's our belief, our held belief.

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<v Speaker 1>But even if those things weren't true, the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they were at a protest and a person brought a gun,

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<v Speaker 1>a big gun like a chopper, you know, uh, what

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<v Speaker 1>do they call it? A k or ar? Some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like fifteen Sure, you know more about our stands

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<v Speaker 1>for assault rifle. See the fact that he brought that

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<v Speaker 1>out and was himself patrolling the streets. In our estimation,

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<v Speaker 1>he's the threat. We saw. Earlier this week there was

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<v Speaker 1>a school shooting in Q's hometown, Detroit, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>those kids, they didn't get to go home, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that they they didn't get to go home anymore. That

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<v Speaker 1>was it for them. Right, We saw that happen, and

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<v Speaker 1>I can't help but think, Okay, so this very right wing,

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<v Speaker 1>very i'll call it republican idea that the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>that stops a bad guy with a gun is a

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<v Speaker 1>good guy with a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not something that's new, That's something that these folks

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<v Speaker 1>have been talking about since words have existed. I'm sure, right,

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<v Speaker 1>when you see a guy with a gun, do you

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<v Speaker 1>wait for him to start killing people before you take action?

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<v Speaker 1>Because if that's the case, then we really have to

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<v Speaker 1>look critically at this most recent school shooting and in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>all school shootings. You know, obviously there shouldn't be a

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<v Speaker 1>child with a gun on campus North should there be

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<v Speaker 1>a child with an assault rifle walking in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the street during a protest, because everything about it

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<v Speaker 1>screams active shooter, right, And this is what we were

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<v Speaker 1>speaking to last week. The implications of the verdict of

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<v Speaker 1>that trial again emboldens a group of people who feel like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we don't agree with this, so let's go

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<v Speaker 1>out there and get busy. I'm gonna take matters into

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<v Speaker 1>my own hands. And for those that know the story

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<v Speaker 1>about are what we know of this story about this

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<v Speaker 1>most recent active shooter in Detroit as of this recording

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<v Speaker 1>is that he was a child, and my belief is

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<v Speaker 1>that he's a white child. You know, I haven't confirmed that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've seen pictures of him. It looks whitish to me,

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<v Speaker 1>not too dissimilar from Kyle Rittenhouse in terms of his appearance.

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<v Speaker 1>Takes a gun, goes to school, and executes human beings

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<v Speaker 1>he believes are treating him unfairly a right, and he

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<v Speaker 1>asked for a lawyer. So that doesn't mean he's falling

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<v Speaker 1>on the sword. He's not owning it. He's not eating

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<v Speaker 1>any crow. If you're going to ask for a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>you believe that you're going to have a way out,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least get some leniency from the court. And

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<v Speaker 1>I ramses am able to draw a direct line in

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<v Speaker 1>the span of seven days or eight days or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>from Kyle Rittenhouse to this most recent active shooter. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't put his name in here because I don't believe

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<v Speaker 1>him to be another significant point in the story of

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<v Speaker 1>this country. Kyle Rittenhouse, I believe that was a major point.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody else. I don't really feel like it's appropriate to

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<v Speaker 1>say there names and give them any sort of glory.

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<v Speaker 1>It's certainly not for ending the lives of other human beings,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And since we're here, I want to say this,

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<v Speaker 1>Q and I both of us. Que tell folks about

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<v Speaker 1>hashtag lunchback.

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<v Speaker 2>It's infancy, it's impact.

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<v Speaker 1>Just what is what is it? You and I we do,

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead, you tell them what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Once a month, Ramsas and I and a group of

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<v Speaker 2>volunteers who have been now working with us for eight

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<v Speaker 2>or nine years get together and put together lunch bags, food, water,

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<v Speaker 2>hygiene products, socks, de odorant, toothpaste for less fortunate people,

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<v Speaker 2>people who don't have a regular place to stay, or

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<v Speaker 2>people who don't get regular meals. We try to, even

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<v Speaker 2>if it's a small thing, provide something for them as

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<v Speaker 2>often as we can. And where do we find these

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<v Speaker 2>people that we give these things to a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>them are concentrated downtown Phoenix. Do some stay on a

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<v Speaker 2>campus from you know, periodically. Others live on the street

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<v Speaker 2>on the sidewalk.

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<v Speaker 1>Right and I'd say the vast majority of them live

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<v Speaker 1>on the sidewalk. And there are some others who live

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<v Speaker 1>under bridges or whatever, but all of them are unsheltered. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>when we go out, and I'm making a point that

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who hasn't has an adversarial advantage point will be

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<v Speaker 1>able to you know, they'll be able to know the

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<v Speaker 1>point I'm making when you and I go out and

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<v Speaker 1>we feed you know, the homeless, our unsheltered brothers and sisters,

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<v Speaker 1>and we do it once a month. When we go

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<v Speaker 1>out and do that, we don't qualify the people that

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<v Speaker 1>we give food to. We don't say, well, you get

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<v Speaker 1>some food because you know you have no criminal background,

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't get any food because a long time

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<v Speaker 1>ago you did this. That and the third right, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not ignorant and we're not naive. Q and I. We

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that some of those people have sex offenses, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why our volunteer base is very well protected

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<v Speaker 1>and insulated from you know, potential harm. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we move with caution. As Q said, I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>probably not going on ten years, never had an incident

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<v Speaker 1>out there on the streets, right, And a huge amount

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<v Speaker 1>of our volunteer bases women, and along with women comes children,

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<v Speaker 1>So we don't hold the worst thing someone has done

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<v Speaker 1>against them. With that said, we also recognize the severity

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<v Speaker 1>of some people's past criminal activity, the heinous nature of it, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>On and on. But if we're out here in the

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<v Speaker 1>name of love, if we're out here with the spirit

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<v Speaker 1>of love and the idea is to help bolster this

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<v Speaker 1>community and fourtify folks who don't have the capacity to

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<v Speaker 1>do so themselves. Then that's what we're going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're not going to qualify that. And so folks

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<v Speaker 1>picking a part a person's life after they've been killed

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<v Speaker 1>on a sidewalk feels a little unfair. It doesn't allow

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<v Speaker 1>for folks to have perhaps become rehabilitated, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>part of you know, the corrections facility of their prison

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<v Speaker 1>rehabilitation centers or whatever it is that folks call them.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea there is that you go to these places

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<v Speaker 1>so that you won't commit crimes again, right, And so

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a fundamental idea built into the criminal

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<v Speaker 1>justice system, as flawed as it is, that human beings

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<v Speaker 1>can be rehabilitated. Right, That's not lost on us. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I think that folks picking apart the deceased after

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<v Speaker 1>the fact feels like a cheap shot. This is my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>This is my show or our show, and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it's important to say that as well. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other things that are generalizations that we did

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<v Speaker 1>make on last week's show that weren't specific to Kyle Rittenhouse,

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<v Speaker 1>but in our estimation and based on our lived experience, is.

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<v Speaker 2>True.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, I believe we had a comment last

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<v Speaker 1>week that Kyle Rittenhouse was given a water bottle on

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<v Speaker 1>the street, and someone took issue with that and left

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<v Speaker 1>a comment saying the police didn't give them a water bottle,

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<v Speaker 1>they pepper sprayed him and they put them in the

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<v Speaker 1>back of the car, you know, something like that. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure that when that was said that we

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<v Speaker 1>were referring to that specific instance. Rather, what we were

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<v Speaker 1>referring to is a general approach that police tend to

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<v Speaker 1>have when the person there arresting either looks more like

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<v Speaker 1>them or has a similar belief system as them, versus

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<v Speaker 1>when the person doesn't. Right, if you're a public servant,

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<v Speaker 1>then you serve the public in theory, that would be equally.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, when we hear about what's the guy

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<v Speaker 1>that shot up that churp number mine, we don't even

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<v Speaker 1>need to say his name, but there was a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that shot up a church. He was a Confederate flag guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think his name was Rufe, Dylan Rufe something like that. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>shot up a black church. I think nine people died there.

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<v Speaker 1>Older people lost their life in church.

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<v Speaker 3>And.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe before he was taken in he got burger king.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I remember the guy that shot up the

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<v Speaker 1>movie theater in Colorado with the red hair. Didn't they

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<v Speaker 1>do something that was like you know, they didn't beat

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<v Speaker 1>him before they took him in. And this is the

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<v Speaker 1>point I think we were trying to make, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>apprehending someone even if you know Pepper sprang someone like that,

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<v Speaker 1>it shows that there is a different approach. Right if

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<v Speaker 1>there was a black If Kyle Rittenhouse was a black

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<v Speaker 1>male with that chopper, he would have got Our belief

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<v Speaker 1>is that he would have been executed right there. And

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<v Speaker 1>so the points that we were trying to make, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to get lost in the minution. The detail.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what we're trying to say last week and

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<v Speaker 1>this week again is the implications of that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>want allies, We don't want folks who believe in a

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<v Speaker 1>better tomorrow to lose sight of what we're working for

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<v Speaker 1>and succumb to fear. And that verdict could create a

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<v Speaker 1>ripple effect where allies could become a lot more fearful.

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<v Speaker 1>But with all that said, I do want to say

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<v Speaker 1>something that might get me in some trouble, but again,

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<v Speaker 1>this is our show and we can do it. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to talk to my white brothers specifically this time.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that the world is changing, the world is

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<v Speaker 1>changing in a lot of ways, and I know that

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<v Speaker 1>you've been lied to, and I know that there are

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<v Speaker 1>people mark Zuckerberg, who profit from your fear, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have an avested interest in scaring you at every single

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<v Speaker 1>possible point in your life. And don't get caught up

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<v Speaker 1>into the word scared, because I know your men were

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<v Speaker 1>all men. You know, we're not scared of nothing. But

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<v Speaker 1>think in terms of like afraid that you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>lose your identity, or afraid that everyone is out to

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<v Speaker 1>get you, or that you were born and everywhere you turn,

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<v Speaker 1>just being a white man is the crime, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>the source of everything that plagues the world. That feeling

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<v Speaker 1>has got to be overwhelming, and I understand. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what it feels like personally, but I'm trying to empathize.

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<v Speaker 1>I recognize that the life expectancy of white men is declining.

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<v Speaker 1>I recognize there's an opioid epidemic that's affecting your people.

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<v Speaker 1>I recognize that the cultural landscape of a place that

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<v Speaker 1>you call home is changing. I recognize that the world,

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<v Speaker 1>the way that you view it, a place where you

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<v Speaker 1>can stand confidently in the middle of yourself, where everything

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<v Speaker 1>is available to you as an option, is changing in

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<v Speaker 1>your lifetime. I recognize now that it might be a

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<v Speaker 1>scary time for these reasons, and a hundred other reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, some of which are based in reality, some

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<v Speaker 1>of which are imagined. You know you perhaps have an

0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:21.600
<v Speaker 1>unhealthy fear of Mexican people coming across the border and

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<v Speaker 1>taking your job. That might be a real thing in

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<v Speaker 1>your mind. It's not a real thing in the real world.

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<v Speaker 1>But I recognize that the fear feels the same no

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<v Speaker 1>matter how you look at it.

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<v Speaker 3>Right and.

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<v Speaker 1>As hard as the world is, and as and as

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<v Speaker 1>few things as you have to latch onto your patriotism

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<v Speaker 1>and supporting the police and trying to hold on to

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<v Speaker 1>what you think the world should be like, I reckon.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see it now. It's it's it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>you might be afraid of what is to come. And

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say with these last few seconds to

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<v Speaker 1>you that you are still my brothers, and that I

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<v Speaker 1>still love you. And I recognize that this is a

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<v Speaker 1>time of transformation, and for the next twenty years it

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<v Speaker 1>may continue to be that place. And I know that

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<v Speaker 1>you guys say some stuff that's very hurtful, and we

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<v Speaker 1>say some stuff that doesn't line up with the way

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<v Speaker 1>you see the world, right, And it doesn't mean that

0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:48.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm wrong, right, But I have no ego here at present.

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<v Speaker 1>The power is still yours. I want you to know

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<v Speaker 1>that I love you, and when those things change, I

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<v Speaker 1>will still love you, and I will still support you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I will always defend your right to exist. And

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<v Speaker 1>if I do nothing else, I will do that. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>be afraid. I'm your brother. Let's get your reaction to

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<v Speaker 1>this way black history fact? Does that work? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I did a little research on history dot com

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<v Speaker 1>this week looked up the Black Codes, so I will

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<v Speaker 1>read and get your thoughts, que and we'll go from there. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for those who don't know, the Black Codes were restrictive

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<v Speaker 1>laws designed to limit the freedom of African Americans and

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<v Speaker 1>ensure their availability as a cheap labor force after slavery

0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:47.320
<v Speaker 1>was abolished during the Civil War, though the Union victory

0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:50.440
<v Speaker 1>had given some four million enslaved people their freedom. The

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<v Speaker 1>question of freed black's status in the post war South

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<v Speaker 1>was still very much unresolved. Under black hose, many states

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<v Speaker 1>required black people to sign yearly labor contract. If they refused,

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<v Speaker 1>they risked being arrested, fined, and forced into unpaid labor.

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<v Speaker 1>Outrage over black codes helped undermine support for President Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson and the Republican Party. Johnson, a former senator from

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<v Speaker 1>Tennessee who had remained loyal to the Union during the war,

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<v Speaker 1>was a firm supporter of states' rights and believed the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government had no say in issues such as voting

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<v Speaker 1>requirements at the state level. Under his reconstruction policies, which

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<v Speaker 1>began in May eighteen sixty five, the former Confederate states

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<v Speaker 1>were required to uphold the abolition of slavery made official

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<v Speaker 1>by the thirteenth Amendment to the US Constitution, swear loyalty

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<v Speaker 1>to the Union, and pay off their war debts. Beyond

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<v Speaker 1>those limitations, those states and their ruling class, traditionally dominated

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<v Speaker 1>by white planters, were given a relatively freehand in rebuilding

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<v Speaker 1>their own governments, even as former enslaved people fought to

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<v Speaker 1>assert their independence and gain economic autonomy. During the earliest

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<v Speaker 1>years of reconstruction, white landowners acted to control the labor

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<v Speaker 1>force through a system similar to the one that it

0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:13.439
<v Speaker 1>existed during slavery, that's the Black Coats. To that end,

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<v Speaker 1>in late eighteen sixty five, Mississippi and South Carolina enacted

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<v Speaker 1>the first Black Coats. Mississippi's law required black people to

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<v Speaker 1>have written evidence of employment for the coming year each January.

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<v Speaker 1>If they left before the end of the contract, they

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<v Speaker 1>would be forced to forfeit earlier wages and were subject

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<v Speaker 1>to arrest. Under Johnson's reconstruction policies, nearly all Southern states

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<v Speaker 1>would enact their own Black Codes in eighteen sixty five

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<v Speaker 1>and eighteen sixty six. While the codes granted certain freedoms

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<v Speaker 1>to African Americans, including the right to buy and own property, marry,

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<v Speaker 1>make contracts, and testify in court only in cases involving

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<v Speaker 1>people of their own race, their primary purpose was to

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<v Speaker 1>restrict black people's labor and activity. Some states limited the

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<v Speaker 1>type of property that black people could own, while virtually

0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:09.399
<v Speaker 1>all the former Confederate states passed strict vagrancy and labor

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:13.720
<v Speaker 1>contract laws, as well as so called anti enticement measures

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 1>designed to punish anyone who offered higher wages to a

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 1>black laborer already under contract. Black people who broke labor

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:27.920
<v Speaker 1>contracts were subject to arrest, beating, and forced labor and

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 1>apprenticeship laws forced many miners, either orphans or those whose

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<v Speaker 1>parents were deemed unable to support them by a judge,

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<v Speaker 1>into unpaid labor for white planters. Passed by a political

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<v Speaker 1>system in which black people effectively had no voice, The

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<v Speaker 1>Black codes were enforced enforced sorry by an all white

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<v Speaker 1>police and state militia forces often made up of Confederate

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<v Speaker 1>veterans of the Civil War across the South. I'm almost

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<v Speaker 1>done by eighteen seventy seven, when the last federal soldiers

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:02.560
<v Speaker 1>left the set and reconstruction drew to a close. Black

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 1>people had seen little improvement in their economic and social status,

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:09.720
<v Speaker 1>and the vigorous efforts of white supremacist forces throughout the

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:13.880
<v Speaker 1>region had undone the political gains they had made. Discrimination

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<v Speaker 1>would continue in America with the rise of Jim Crow laws.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the next thing that comes after the Black hotes,

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<v Speaker 1>but would inspire the civil rights movement to come. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>how much of that did you know about? The Black coats?

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<v Speaker 1>All of it?

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<v Speaker 2>And it speaks to the evolution of what we spoke,

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<v Speaker 2>We've spoken about several times in the show with slave

0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 2>patrols that after the abolishment of slaveries became militia or police,

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 2>and as effectively as has much of our country's rhetoric, laws,

0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:02.320
<v Speaker 2>thoughts on rights, the Constitution, and etc. Remained in the

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 2>spirit of how it was written in late seventeen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot pretend that there has been zero progress since then,

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<v Speaker 2>but I can be outraged at how little you and

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<v Speaker 2>I saw a graphic earlier in the week, and what

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<v Speaker 2>the graphic meant, I'm not really sure, but it did

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<v Speaker 2>show a timeline of our country's history and how much

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<v Speaker 2>of that history with slavery, and how much of that

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 2>history was segregation, and how much of that history was

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<v Speaker 2>post slavery and segregation. And if this is the entire thing,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to take up my whole picture here, just

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 2>this part was post slavery and segregation. So a lot

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 2>of things post slavery were put into place to maintain

0:29:57.280 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 2>the current system as long as possible, while coloring in

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 2>those blurred lines that black people, as you said, had

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<v Speaker 2>no power to really fight against. You know, yeah, you're free,

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 2>but if you do this you're still kind of not free,

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:15.120
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you did this, so you're still kind of

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 2>not free. Like they could really direct that in whatever

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<v Speaker 2>direction and hide it in whatever type of legal language

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 2>they wanted to to maintain the status quo. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the things that we talk about on

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<v Speaker 2>this show, we are not historians and we are not experts.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an opinion show based mostly on our life

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<v Speaker 2>experience and the things that we have read and encountered

0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 2>over our lives. And then you know, most of the

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 2>history that we've read before our lives. We do not

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:55.760
<v Speaker 2>have our encyclopedia or Britannic and handy when we're speaking here,

0:30:56.640 --> 0:31:00.120
<v Speaker 2>but we were speaking an envelope of truth. And the

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:05.600
<v Speaker 2>idea ramses is that we're apologizing for missed semantics. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't do that every week.

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<v Speaker 2>So I hope you guys got that today and are

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 2>happy with it. But q Ward won't be on this

0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 2>show apologizing for the idea that Kyle Rittenhouse was throwing

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<v Speaker 2>a bottle of water by the police.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on video, folks. We didn't make that up.

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<v Speaker 2>Riven by his mom. We're sorry. We only assume that

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<v Speaker 2>because he's a kid. We weren't trying to make the

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 2>story more grand or make him more criminal. Right, the

0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 2>kid murdered people. He drew that, which makes it worse.

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 2>He drove there, spent the night, got an assault rifle

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 2>from a friend, went to a protest, and murdered people.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't make that part up.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys, that happened. That's he murdered people. He walked toward

0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 3>police where by standards told the police, hey, he just

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 3>shot people, and they did nothing to him. We didn't

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<v Speaker 3>make that part up either. It's also on video, So

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<v Speaker 3>I hope you guys got what you needed from ramses.

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<v Speaker 3>I am not trying to embode in or infuriate or

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<v Speaker 3>even be adversarial, but to find the semantic to try

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<v Speaker 3>to pick at the argument is nonsensically right.

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<v Speaker 2>What we were saying is that what the kid did

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<v Speaker 2>was wrong, and we knew at a point that he

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be held accountable. So yes, we stopped paying attention,

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<v Speaker 2>so we didn't see the part in court where it

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<v Speaker 2>was unchallenged that his mom drove him there. I stopped

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<v Speaker 2>watching the trial, and it was very clear that this

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<v Speaker 2>kid who murdered people was going to live a prosperous

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<v Speaker 2>normal life afterwards because he was a white kid. Hard stop.

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<v Speaker 2>If he looks like me and he murdered three people

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<v Speaker 2>with an assault rifle, he's not free. He doesn't probably

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<v Speaker 2>survive that night. He definitely doesn't walk towards the cops

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<v Speaker 2>with then ar fifth teen as people are shouting he

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<v Speaker 2>just killed two people and get to go home and

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<v Speaker 2>make it the trial safe. He was not arrested and

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<v Speaker 2>pepper sprayed on the scene. If he was pepper sprayed,

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<v Speaker 2>it was probably by people trying to stop him from

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<v Speaker 2>killing people, not law enforcement. Again semantics, So if we

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<v Speaker 2>misread a sentence or we misquoted something, it was not

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<v Speaker 2>an effort to make the story more left or right leaning.

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<v Speaker 2>The general understanding of what we were saying is true.

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<v Speaker 2>Well said, give me for not using my time to apologize. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you're good, you're good. No, you should you and you shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>But but yeah, well said, And I think that's it

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<v Speaker 2>for us. We're gonna have to leave it right there. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>we can't go too much further. So if you're just

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<v Speaker 2>sooner in Civic Cipher, I'm you host rams is joh

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<v Speaker 2>I go by the name of key Ward and that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to do it for us, so be sure to

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<v Speaker 2>check us out on the website civicciper dot com, download

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<v Speaker 2>this in any other previous episodes, and until next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah,