WEBVTT - Part One: Focus on the Family: James Dobson 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:05.440 Welcome to Behind the Bastards, the only podcast about bad 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:10.639 people that there's ever been under only one NATO law. Um. 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:15.000 I'm Robert Evans, host of this podcast. Formally, I tell 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.520 the the very detailed story about a terrible person, or 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.079 a terrible group of people, or a terrible thing that 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:25.119 was done by terrible people. But this week we're we're 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:28.160 doing things a little bit a little bit different. Garrison, 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:34.400 Uh my, my, my, my friend, um, local youth about town, 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.000 Portland photo journalist, Garrison, you want to explain what's going 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:41.360 on today? Have the last name just just oh yeah, 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.680 this this This is Garrison Davis, local youth in Portland. 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:49.479 And reporter my young Ward Yeah, robertson Ward. And because 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.839 of Robert's injury, I have not successfully coded this podcast. 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:57.280 You did, and I am now gonna be running the 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.920 show for today until there is a coup to the 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.920 is coup to counter coup? Counter coup has been studying 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.319 the School of the Americas. Is it really a coup? 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.640 If you go, hey, can I host your podcast? And 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.959 Lynn Robert and I both go, Yeah, I don't know 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.040 either way, Sophie. I've got some death squads in El Salvador. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.120 But that may wind up just being just a separate 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.200 thing I do. Anyway, Garrison is going to be presenting 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.959 the episode this week, an episode that he wrote, and 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.080 I will be the guest on my own show, and 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:33.720 I will supervise all of it well while drinking, Yeah, 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.920 while I drink a paraseco out of a glass straw. 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:41.840 And we've we've scheduled this for Garrison's eighteen birthday, so 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.800 that I'm no longer violating child labor law by having 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.600 you on the podcast. Yeah, hello, yes, yeah, it's my 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:53.600 birthday today. So Garrison, you want to tell the people America, England, Australia, 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.640 numerous other countries, Canada, maybe you want to tell them 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.320 what the episode for today is. UM. We already talking 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:05.720 about an organization called Focus on the Family with IF 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:07.880 if you've if you've heard of that, you've probably heard 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.960 of it from John Oliver's show. UM, or you grew 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.239 up with this organization kind of in your life, as 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.200 like like if you grew up as a Christian. Um, 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.200 we're be yeah, we're gonna be learning all about some 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:24.040 weird stuff. They did, some surprising stuff they did. Um Yeah, 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:25.680 and I was it was actually a surprised for even 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:28.959 though I'm familiar with this organization, like personally, I learned 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.360 some new things when I was doing research for this, 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.919 so even I was surprised with what I found. Yeah, 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.400 and for our our listeners who haven't been stalking you 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.240 on the internet, you grew up in what you've called 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.760 to me repeatedly a cult. Yeah, I, me and my 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.920 family were in a cult in Canada for about eleven years. 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.200 We moved to Portland to get out of the cult 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.919 and have been here and I I've been here ever since. 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.000 Some of my family's back in Canada but not but 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.919 not in a cult. Yeah, when you're in a Canadian cult, 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:01.799 is it the Mounties that burn your compound UM by 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.639 incenterating tear gas or is there another agents? I've seen 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:07.960 the Mounties do stuff like that. Also, the Canadian Revenue 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:12.760 Service UM was the big enemy of our cult. That 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.000 makes sense, that was the one that they had fights with. 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:16.880 I'm gonna guess a lot of people didn't think they 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:20.480 ought to pay taxes illegally trying to get like tax 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.600 cuts for their like fake school that they were running 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.120 that I went to for the first like six months 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.360 of my first six years in my schooling. Yeah. Anyway, alright, 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.399 we'll talk this this this DEVI will come back later. 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:32.560 So let's talk about Focus on the Family. Focus on 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:38.680 the Family start. Yeah, thank you, Sophie. To really understand 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.120 what Focused on the Family is both in the past 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.400 and what it kind of is now, we're first going 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.520 to have to kind of learn about its founder, James Dobson, 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:51.000 or technically it should be Dr James Dobson, but we'll 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:53.600 talk more about why. I don't want to say that later. Um, 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:55.840 since Focus on the Family is really just an extension 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:59.000 of who Dobson is as a person. Um. Dobson was 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.720 born in nineteen already six and he is still alive. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:07.200 He was born in ninety six. He's still alive. Uh. 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.880 He was born in Louisiana. His father was a traveling evangelist. 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.240 Religion was a prevailing part of Dobson's life since he 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.040 was essentially a baby. Quoting a book about Focus on 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.800 the Family and Christian right wing radio and the influence 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.159 they had on American culture and the like across the 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.520 whole twenty century. Um, it's a book called Stations at 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.800 the Cross, actually a pretty pretty good book. But this, 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.520 this is this is a quote. Dobson claims to have 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.760 been able to pray before he could talk, and to 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.680 have felt God's calling from as early as age three, 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:35.919 when he toddled up to the altar in response to 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.080 his father's Sunday morning altar call that the unsaved offered 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.640 their lives to Jesus Um and this this isn't that 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.520 all uncommon for like people as on young as three 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:48.960 to like have their parents pressure them into doing I 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.520 this even now, this is still this isn't this isn't that. 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.159 If you if you want to, if listeners want another 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.320 look at what it's like to be pushed into stuff 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:59.400 like this when you're three, check out the documentary Marjo, 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.120 which is about the youngest pastor in American history who 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:07.560 was performing marriage ceremonies when he was like four years. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:12.440 His name was Mary and Joseph. That the photo and 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.640 video that's been going around the interwebs this week of 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.479 the baby that was jet skiing that's six months old, 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.159 Well that's just red. That sounds good. Actually, I don't 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:24.320 see a problem with that. No. I actually think baby 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.279 should be jet skiing at even younger ages. They should 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.400 be jet skiing before before they should be able to pray. 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:33.240 That is my opinion. I would agree with you, all right, um, 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.599 and uh, there there's a there's an article from in 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:40.720 the Washington Post by a journalist name Laura strepp Um 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:42.360 and and the detailed a lot of stuff about focus 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.279 in the family in the seventies and eighties, and it 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:47.120 details some of Dobson's early life and family. This is 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.640 a quote from that article. His father and mother, James 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.719 and Myrtle Dobson, were married for forty three years. His 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.640 father never went to college and became a traveling evangelist 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.920 UM in the Church of Nazarene, which is like a 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:04.359 fundamentalist Protestant type of church. UM. As an only child, 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.400 he received all the attention and love his parents had 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.000 to give. His mother deferred to her husband on all 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.240 major matters, but she often found herself alone from her 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.240 Dobson says he got his idea that firm discipline is 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.640 the cornerstone of the parent child relationship. And this, this 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.160 is very this is very important. Here's a quote from 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.920 Dobson's first book when he when he talks about his mother, 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:26.800 she knew that backtalk and lip are the child's most 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:30.480 potent weapons of defiance. And must be discouraged. On one 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:35.960 occasion weapon backtalk, back talk, violent weapon and speaking on 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.599 what occasion she cracked me with a shoe. At other 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.160 times she used a handy belt. This is in response 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:43.240 to back the weapon of back talk. Yeah, you got 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.400 to use the weapon of a shoe against the weapon 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:49.000 of back talk. That's just this is fine. The day 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.880 I learned the importance of staying out of reach shines 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.440 like a neon light in my mind. I made the 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.600 costly mistake of assassing her. When I was about four 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.280 feet away, her hand landed on a girl roll. It 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.719 waited to put sixteen pounds and was lined with leaden steel. Jesus, 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:06.800 she drew back and swung that abominable garment in my direction. 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.440 The intendant blow caught me across the chest, followed by 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:13.080 a multitude of straps and buckles wrapping themselves around my midsection. 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.400 She gave me an entire thrashing with one massive blow. 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.640 From that day forward, I cautiously retreated a few steps 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.520 back before popping off. Good lesson for kids to learn, 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.120 stay out of reach of adults because they want to harm. 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.120 But remember this is the stuff that that influenced his 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.320 ministry because this is the stuff that he thinks is 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:35.960 the corner His earliest lesson is you always want to 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.440 stay away from adults. Is out of reach of adults 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.400 because you never know when they will want to physically damage. Yes, 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.000 and but this is a keyton of his ministry is 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.200 teaching stuff like this though. This is like the cornerstone 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.160 of a strong parent child relations. Does this guy tie 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.840 into to train up a child in that book and stuff? Awesome? 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:55.720 Wait until we talked about his first book and what 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.560 some fun, some fun fun legal issues that happened. Boy, 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:03.600 it's a child abuse episode, everybody. This is very exist whole, 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.520 this whole two partners, a child abuse episode. Sophia sent 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.120 Sophia a letter of apology that we we don't have 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:13.360 her on to talk of our children. Are there dead babies? Um, 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:17.600 there's dead teenagers? Hell? Yeah, all right, Um, but I 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:24.800 mean and yeah, what well damn right, Well we'll figure 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:29.640 this out later. Um. The Washington Post article continues. As 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.920 Dobson was about to start his junior year in high school, 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.080 his father decided to take a job as a pastor 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.280 and settled down in San Benito, Texas. Um a very 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.400 hot flat outpost near the Mexican border. Because of his 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.880 religious beliefs, Dobson couldn't dance or go to the movies 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:44.840 like the rest of his friends, but he earned their 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:49.360 respect by becoming a top tennis player. Okay, which okay, 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:54.760 so in terms of cults, but tennis is tennis. Tennis 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.800 in the colt No, what is involved in the cult 0:08:57.920 --> 0:08:59.920 is like being able, like in these kind of very 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.640 firm Christian kind of churches, and also you know some 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.640 more of the worst cult stuff. Not being able to 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:07.760 dance or go to the movies is pretty standard, Like 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:09.640 I couldn't go to the movies for most of my 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:11.840 most of my life so far, I've not been well, yeah, 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:16.240 because that's like Hollywood's just straight. My parents at my 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.200 parents wedding, they weren't allowed to dance. There was no 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.599 dance allowed at all. There was no dancing. Well the 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:23.840 devil right into the wedding. You would have grown up 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.200 with your brother the devil if that had happened. But wait, 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:28.360 I don't understand how does what does tennis have to 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.960 do with this? Tennis is how he is. How he 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.240 gained his friend's respect because he couldn't go to the 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.320 movies or dance. So the thing Dobson did to get 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:40.079 like friends is play tennis very well. So it's like, 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.360 I guess it's not like how Keith Ronary made all 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.760 his people play volleyball at like three in the morning. Right, 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:46.959 I don't know what that means. I'm too young. Oh 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:51.040 that was another guy we did an episode on where 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.280 he forced them to play volleyball at like three and them. No, 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:55.760 it sounds like it was just a kid. This is 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.679 a kid trying to find anything to gain friends because 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:03.000 he can't because he lives in a situation. Yeah. Um, 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.760 those were the best years America ever had, said one 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:10.120 of Dobson's high school friends, retired Colonel Harland Baker Jr. 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:18.520 That's his high school friend. Okay, Colonel Bake Baker Jr. 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.199 Bake Baker. We had the hamburgers, the milkshakes. We didn't 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.560 drink or smoke. Our parents gave us room to spread 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:26.760 our wings, but also set limits. Again, this is the 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.120 kind of stuff he's gonna talk about in his ministry. 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.200 You know, we'll find well, I'm seeing what's building. This 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.840 is kind of bodies. What's kind of being built here? Um? 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.760 After graduating high school, Dobson went to Pasadena College, a 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:41.679 small liberal arts college, well, a small liberal arts Christian 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.760 college UM in southern California, with an interest in human 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:49.319 behavioral studies. Uh the Washington Post the yeah, yeah, you 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:50.720 can see where this is gonna go in like the 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:55.320 fifties and sixties Washington Post article rights. But after he 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.200 had taken a couple of psychology courses, Dobson was convinced 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.360 that God was calling him to go all way into 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.120 the field. It was not an easy time for a 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.480 Christian to go into psychology. Some psychologists thought Christians were 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.199 deluded no nothings, and some Christians thought psychologists were devil 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:13.360 worshippers or worse. Okay, I'm not sure what worse. I 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.920 don't know that I believe either side of that. I don't. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.600 I don't really believe that there was ever a situation 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.040 in which like a bunch of psychologists were like, oh, hey, 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.560 members of the largest in the surely dominant region in 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:29.920 the country, y'all are silly, You can't be psychologists. Yeah. 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.720 I don't think that ever happened. No, not in the sixties. 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.720 But he's into psychology because I know a lot of 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:41.840 colts are like against likeschology, is anti psychology, etcetera. He's 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:43.640 into He's into psychology, and this is gonna be his 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.560 most potent weapon in trying to take over the country. 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.640 I think this is going In'm so excited. Continue yeah soon. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.360 Dobson went on to the University of Southern California to 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.920 get his PhD in child development UM. This is when 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:01.640 Dobson became doctor James. Dobson's was in nineteen sixty seven. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.760 His doctor's status was very important to him as he 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:08.560 became popular in the eighties and nineties, with his employees 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.080 only being able to refer to him as Dr Dobson. 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.040 Like this was this was very important to give him 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:17.600 credibility to speak in like wide settings with politically and 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:19.800 and and like two Christian people. He was very happy 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.480 about being being able to be called a doctor. Yeah, 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.960 I mean, I'm pretty proud of being a reverend doctor. 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:29.560 According to the State of New Jersey, um so Dobson. 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:31.800 According to the Post, Dobson took the precise number of 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.680 credits needed to get his doctor into not one more. 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:36.880 He was anxious to get his family life going and 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:38.839 to speak out on the values he believed were a 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:43.120 roting at breakneck speed. It's a little weird to critique 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.280 him for not taking more credits than he needed to 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:49.440 get a lot of credits, but he was very anxious 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.760 to get his work started. Um and the values that 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.040 he thinks, Sarah Wroting Um. He he writes about in 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.679 one of one of his books. This was this was 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:00.760 when he was getting his doctor. He was in l 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:07.000 A during the mid sixties. And yeah, and one of 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.400 Dobson's books from the nineties called the book selled the 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.440 Strong Willed Child. By the way, just you know, get 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.120 a sense of what his books are titled. I guess 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:17.600 strong willed means talking. Yes. Um, this is what Dobson 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.120 writes about. The summer of nineteen sixty five in l A. 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.640 Our cities began to burn during the hot summer of 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.560 racial strife that signaled the start of the chaos to come. 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.280 The class of nineteen sixty five entered college at a 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.440 time where drug abuse was not only prevalent, but became 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:38.040 almost universal for students and teachers alike. Intellectual deterioration was inevitable. 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:42.040 Accompanying this social upheaval was a sudden disintegration of moral 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.040 and ethical principles such as which has never occurred in 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.880 the history of all of mankind. All at once. There 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.840 was no definite values, no standards, no absolutes, no rules, 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.199 no traditional beliefs on which to lean. Um. Now, when 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.480 Dobson's referring to this talk of chaos in a long 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:00.200 hot summer of racial strife, quote unquotes referring to the 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:05.040 rising of when he was in l A. And that 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.120 that was if you're unfamiliar, this started when the police 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:10.960 assaulted uliple people during an arrest for reckless driving. Um 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.880 the l A Times Rights um. After rumors spread of 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.120 the police and rough people up and kicked a pregnant woman, 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:20.240 angry mobs formed, turning a forty six square miles swath 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.680 of the city into a combat zone. And this this 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.360 isn't like exaggerating, So people get angry when you kick 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:30.680 pregnant women. The police kick a lot of people during 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:34.680 a nasty arrest. UM. It's estimated that thirty or five 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.080 thou people took part in the mass rioting and looting 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.400 over the course of those six days. Fourteen thousand members 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.080 of the California National Guard were deployed to put an 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.240 end to this civil unrest. Again, this is for like 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:50.320 six days. UM. In all, sixteen thousand law enforcement officers 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:54.520 were mobilized as a self described attacking force. Thirty one 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.720 people were killed by law enforcement during these protests and riots. UM. 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:02.320 They were over a thousand reports injuries, arrests over the 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.360 course of these six days. UM. The police chief that 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:08.840 handled this uprising was the same chief that UM, if 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:12.680 not coined, at least popularized the term thin blue line. 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:17.240 Same same guy, so and and Dobson. Dobson was here 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.400 for all of this. He he watched this unfold and 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:24.480 he was very upset UM. In referring to this, referring 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.400 to the wats uprising, he said, what's what's happening to 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.600 this country? And what what will happen to my children 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.920 as a result. So he was, he was there for this. 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.160 He was not He was not a fan because I mean, 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.480 you know, he's not a fan of all of these 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.120 people getting angry that a cop kicked a pregnant one. Yeah, 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:43.480 and he's not that pro racial civil rights that much. 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:46.200 That's not going to be like a big part of 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.200 what we're talking about. But he was. He was known 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.720 to be a racist, which we know he's a guy born. 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.960 I know, someone's a real character when you can say, 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.280 like he was super racist, but we're not We're not 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:01.840 going to talk about that. The conversion therapy, which is 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:06.680 much worse. Um. Yeah, really the racism was the best 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:11.000 part of it. It's at least about a damage. Um. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.680 it's unfailing obedience to authority, an old fashioned Christian morality 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:18.480 became Dobson's signature talking points. Um, when you spoke about 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:22.840 raising children. Um. Despite him having like an actual job 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.720 at you know, the university. He had a job at 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.480 the University of Southern California's School of Medicine for quote, 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.840 researching childhood disorders that led to mental retardation. Because again, 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:36.920 this is the sixties and that's how we phrase things. Um. 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.960 Even though Dobson had a job, Dobson just eventually began 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:44.080 showing up at local PTA meetings to like talk about 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:47.800 child development, like, not for his own kids, just local 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.640 ones showing up at TAM. Yeah, I've I've done the 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:52.920 same thing before. Sometimes I'll get a little bit drunk, 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:54.640 like it's you know, it's a good way to spec 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.360 And then eventually he got invited to teach Sunday school 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.880 classes and then got invited to speak on like Rado talks. 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.360 He actually he actually got on just invited to speak 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.560 on Barbara Walters TV talk show. Um, just about random 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:07.960 stuff because I mean again, he's a doctor in child development. 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:09.800 But this was just like a thinly veiled thing to 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.879 spread his religious um kind of parenting advice. M that 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:19.320 sounds fine. His biographer Rolf Zetterston, I believe that's how 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.280 you say it. Whatever. Um, we don't renounce things right 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.720 on this podcast. It's fine, cool, great, um he he 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.600 he wrote about why Dobson had such immediate popularity with parents. Uh, 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.560 this is this is what Rolf says about Dobson in 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:36.840 one Adopson's biographies. Um. He condemned the so called numerality. 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.239 He demanded more discipline into schools. He taught parents how 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.280 to restart their story at home, and he unflinchingly called 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:47.200 sin by its biblical name Sin. That's all caps. That's 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.119 all the only difference is it's all in all caps 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:53.479 the end. That's that's that's really yet. Um. By nineteen seventy, 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.359 Dobson was able to publish his first book, UM by 0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:02.159 Christian publisher uh Tynedale House. The was called Dare to Discipline, 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.720 and I'm sure we can all guess what that book 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:09.320 was about, because what is his discipline? It means it 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.600 means picking up a girdle, a bit of tennis racket 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.159 was and slashing your children like what happened to him, 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.119 and probably tennis rackets. Yeah, I mean the key to 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.720 meeting children. I've always said this is that you want 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:22.720 to use improvised weapon rate because that shows that there 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.200 wasn't intent. If you wind up in a court case 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.399 like later, you want to be able to claim that 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.240 it was just an accident the kid ran into your girdle, 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.919 which you can't claim if you're like using a telescope 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:37.000 and baton on a child. Yeah. Yeah, um. Five years 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.639 later he released another book, and this book is the 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.159 best title this is. This is the title to his 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:46.160 his second book, released five years later, What What Wives 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:51.399 Wish Their Husbands Knew About Women, which is really that 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:53.560 this is full of a lot of good information. I 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.359 really love that. Again, him as a man born in 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.520 the thirties, wrote a book called What Wives Wish their 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:03.040 Husband's Knew about Women? And that's that's that's that's the 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:07.520 second vibes wish their husbands knew about women. Okay, wrong 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:12.840 answers only, Robert, Uh, oh boy, you know what, I 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:14.480 don't want to get canceled, So I'm not even going 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:16.680 to try to make a joke about that. Moving on, 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.119 it might be in hot water after the baton in 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:26.640 children remarks. So let's just let's just say all on, yeah, 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.000 because we're like, you know a right, Um, we're like 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.560 twenty minutes in. Oh, I think you know what. Won't 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:37.560 baton your children? Oh? Yes, you need them baton You 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:43.360 know what, Garrison, Garrison, Garrison, you're the host. You get 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.159 to do it. Will not get your children hit by 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.640 a girdle giving them a thrashing in one single below? 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:56.320 Any guesses? Uh, Sophie, what is it? Robert? Is it 0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:10.920 the services that support some services? Indeed products? We're back. Um, 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.879 that was a great ad pivot, Garrison, really good for 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:18.359 a first try. I tend to advise more death threats 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:25.720 against billionaire social media, which which we'll then get edited out. Yeah. Yeah, 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.240 that's key to the processes, all of the all of 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.040 the incitements to violence that we have to have Chris 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.800 edit from the podcast, which is like of the run 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:38.040 time generally, so that's why these takes along to record. Okay. Um. 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:41.159 In seven is when Jobson really started the thing that 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.600 they kind of makes them famous or that will eventually 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:46.720 make him, you know, that eventually be what he's known for. Um. 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.880 He started his own weekly radio show, initially got picked 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:53.919 up by forty stations. Um. The Washington Post article reads, 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:57.679 by night, oh wait, sorry, yeah, this is this is 0:20:57.720 --> 0:20:59.920 this is separate. So he he had his radio show. 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:03.280 What he was also doing at the time was filming 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:08.560 seminars and selling them. And then also churches would like 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:12.080 invite him to teach seminars like across the country. Um. 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:15.640 And then here's here's the Watchington Post article by Dobson's 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:18.760 seminars on the family, like on family issues. We're making 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.760 so much money, drawing up to three thousand people per 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:24.640 weekend at twelve dollars a ticket. That he finally quit 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.480 his job at University of Southern California and formed his 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:31.240 own nonprofit company focused on the family, which was then 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:34.399 he what he retitled his radio show as well. So 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:36.280 he's making so much money from these like seminars you 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:38.359 would do every once in a while, Like I'm it's 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:40.800 unclear how often he did these. It's not you can't 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:42.439 really find that kind of information because this is like 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:45.440 in the sixties or seventies. Um. But it's enough that 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:47.560 he was able to quit his people hearing this guy 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:52.960 talk about kid beating, Yeah, um, what women want, yes, 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:56.760