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Speaker 1: Welcome to Behind the Bastards, the only podcast about bad

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Speaker 1: people that there's ever been under only one NATO law. Um.

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Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans, host of this podcast. Formally, I tell

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Speaker 1: the the very detailed story about a terrible person, or

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Speaker 1: a terrible group of people, or a terrible thing that

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Speaker 1: was done by terrible people. But this week we're we're

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Speaker 1: doing things a little bit a little bit different. Garrison,

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Speaker 1: Uh my, my, my, my friend, um, local youth about town,

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Speaker 1: Portland photo journalist, Garrison, you want to explain what's going

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Speaker 1: on today? Have the last name just just oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: this this This is Garrison Davis, local youth in Portland.

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Speaker 1: And reporter my young Ward Yeah, robertson Ward. And because

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Speaker 1: of Robert's injury, I have not successfully coded this podcast.

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Speaker 1: You did, and I am now gonna be running the

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Speaker 1: show for today until there is a coup to the

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Speaker 1: is coup to counter coup? Counter coup has been studying

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Speaker 1: the School of the Americas. Is it really a coup?

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Speaker 1: If you go, hey, can I host your podcast? And

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Speaker 1: Lynn Robert and I both go, Yeah, I don't know

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Speaker 1: either way, Sophie. I've got some death squads in El Salvador.

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Speaker 1: But that may wind up just being just a separate

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Speaker 1: thing I do. Anyway, Garrison is going to be presenting

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Speaker 1: the episode this week, an episode that he wrote, and

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Speaker 1: I will be the guest on my own show, and

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Speaker 1: I will supervise all of it well while drinking, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: while I drink a paraseco out of a glass straw.

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Speaker 1: And we've we've scheduled this for Garrison's eighteen birthday, so

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Speaker 1: that I'm no longer violating child labor law by having

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Speaker 1: you on the podcast. Yeah, hello, yes, yeah, it's my

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Speaker 1: birthday today. So Garrison, you want to tell the people America, England, Australia,

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Speaker 1: numerous other countries, Canada, maybe you want to tell them

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Speaker 1: what the episode for today is. UM. We already talking

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Speaker 1: about an organization called Focus on the Family with IF

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Speaker 1: if you've if you've heard of that, you've probably heard

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Speaker 1: of it from John Oliver's show. UM, or you grew

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Speaker 1: we're be yeah, we're gonna be learning all about some

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Speaker 1: weird stuff. They did, some surprising stuff they did. Um Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and for our our listeners who haven't been stalking you

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Speaker 1: to me repeatedly a cult. Yeah, I, me and my

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Speaker 1: Some of my family's back in Canada but not but

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Speaker 1: not in a cult. Yeah, when you're in a Canadian cult,

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Speaker 1: is it the Mounties that burn your compound UM by

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about Focus on the Family. Focus on

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Speaker 1: He was born in Louisiana. His father was a traveling evangelist.

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Speaker 1: it's a child abuse episode, everybody. This is very exist whole,

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Speaker 1: It was because their property. Yeah, you can hit your property.

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Speaker 1: According to Dobson, you can just hit your property. Would

425
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: you get angry at somebody who like, I don't know,

426
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: pounded on their desk because they were frustrated. No, And

427
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: it's okay for people to hit kids because kids are

428
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: like a desk, but they're not like a dog. A

429
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: dog is like a desk. It's property, it's property. Oh

430
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: my god, I'm just I'm just saying the speaking of

431
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: child abuse. The next canceled. The next paragraph is going

432
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Speaker 1: to be a good finn. So uh yeah, here's a

433
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: here's what the post says about some controversy that that like,

434
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: of course, is going to develop eventually along Dobson's parenting

435
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: advice quote. But it is Dobson's view on childhood punishment.

436
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: They got him into the most hot water several years ago.

437
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: This is um. Several years ago. For example, a Massachusetts

438
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: couple was charged with child abuse because they beat their children,

439
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: and and they say it's because their pastors said it

440
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: was all right. Based on Dobson's writings that I'm gonna

441
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: bet that's the only time that happens now. Dobson said

442
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: his books have never advocated beating children. But again, his

443
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: first book was called Dare to Discipline and about physically

444
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: punishing your children. Yeah, I think he might argue that

445
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: it's not beating them as long as you're angry. But yeah,

446
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: it's like this, this this was an ongoing problem back

447
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: in the twentieth century for most of the twenties and

448
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: since still now seems like it's still an and it's

449
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: still an ongoing problem. Yeah, a lot of seems like

450
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: it might have something to do with all those guys

451
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: who keep assaulting people based on their political opinions. Um. Yeah,

452
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of beating is still is

453
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,719
Speaker 1: still to come cool. Yeah. Mainstream family psychologists say that

454
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: while setting limits to help build secure parent relationships are good,

455
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: there are better methods than the back of the hand

456
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: or a strap such as giving you know stuff that

457
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: was recommended back in the nineties was giving you know

458
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: people time outs. That was kind of a new concept

459
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: in the nineties. And the article rights spanking can quote

460
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: stimulate rebelliousness rather than respect and wisdom for the parents,

461
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: which she wash. It's you know, a psychologists trying to say, Dobson,

462
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: you're not gonna do good. Your kids are not going

463
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: to respect you if they're always thinking about whether or

464
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: not they're far enough away that you can't. Yeah. Like

465
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: part of the cult I was in, I was spanking

466
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: to my people that aren't even my parents. And I

467
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: have grown up with heavy respect for authority. Yeah, which

468
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: is why I'm now a journalists whatever covering the uprising

469
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: respect authority. Yeah, I love all authority. Um. Yeah. So

470
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: I don't think his really philosophy even that work. It

471
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: doesn't He doesn't even work that much. Um. Even though

472
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: these psychologists criticize a lot of a lot of dobson

473
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: the work because they thought it was you know, bad, um,

474
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: they were quick to admit that he is better known,

475
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: like as a psychologist, and probably a lot richer than

476
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: they'll ever be. Um. I I doubt there's any American

477
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: psychologists selling more books than dobbson. This is a quote

478
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: from from a psychologist. I I doubt there was any

479
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: other psychologists selling more books to the American public right now,

480
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: uh than any other psychologist. This was a psychologist named

481
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: Paul klement Was who was also a professor of psychology. Um.

482
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: So yeah he was. You know, he was really the

483
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Speaker 1: man for psychology in the eighties and nineties and in

484
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: the in the in late seventies, Dobson was just really

485
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: starting to kick off. Um. But eventually Dobson wanted to

486
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: be more than someone who gives bad parenting advice. At

487
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: the start of Focus on the Family, it was relatively nonpartisan,

488
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: still very like conservative, but it wasn't it wasn't really

489
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: about partisan politics. He wasn't like, he wasn't advocating for

490
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: candidates or like endorsing parties. Um. In fact, when he

491
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: when he filed nonprofit statists, he answered no to the

492
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: question if Focus in the Family would engage in activities

493
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: intending to influence legislation. Now, this very quickly turned out

494
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: to be not true. By night so get he started

495
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: his radio show in seventy seven, he got his nonprofit

496
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: status and seventy eight. By late seventy nine, Dobson started

497
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: to get more formally involved with politics. President Carter was

498
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: forming what becomes known as the White House Conferences on

499
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: the Family, and Dobson wanted in focus on the family's

500
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: vice president and co founder named Gil Alexander Mogarel described

501
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: Dobson's entry into politics like this, quote, Jim got tired

502
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: of telling people what to do when a six year

503
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: old was the bed unquote, yes, you might as well

504
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: start making policy on like nukes and shop so he

505
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: may as well start making a lot of a lot

506
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: of This is a really interesting time in the history

507
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: of like American evangelism because that period of time, like

508
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: right as so, Carter came got elected off the strength

509
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: of the evangelical Christian vote, and he was the last

510
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: Democrat that that was ever true of because Reagan was

511
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: elected immediately afterwards based on a lot of friends of

512
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: Mr Dobson's, including Dobson in uniting them all, you know,

513
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: mainly to deal with abortion and gay rights and women

514
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: doing stuff that isn't getting hit by their husbands. Um, yeah, yeah,

515
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: this is that whole very cool period of time in politics. Yeah,

516
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: it's it's not great. Um. The way Dobson describes his

517
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: move into politics, UM, and the way he marketed the

518
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: change in topic to his audience, because again he has

519
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: to switch his audience to being used to him talking

520
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: about like family issues to talking about political stuff. Now.

521
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: The way he the way he gets past this is

522
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: talking about how like schools and governments are taking authority

523
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: of parenting away from the parents. Like the schools governments

524
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: are becoming too influential in deciding what kids are and

525
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: aren't allowed to do. Essentially, um. Dobson says this in

526
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: an interview. Until fifteen years ago, a girl couldn't pierce

527
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: your ears without getting her parents permission. Now a parent

528
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: can send a thirteen year old to school, The school

529
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: can transplant that child to have an abortion, and the

530
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: parents won't even know about it. She may come home

531
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: and begin to bleed and the parents won't know why parenting.

532
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: The parents have been eliminated from the entire process. How

533
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: did that happen? It was discussed somewhere, even debated, but

534
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: Christians didn't participate. So I don't think true in the

535
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: seventies or eighties, nor even now, can a thirteen year

536
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: old get sent to a hospital to have an abortion

537
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: by a school and the parents not know. Yeah. I

538
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: don't think that's ever happened ever. I I don't know,

539
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: at least not in the seventies. Yeah, I think we would. Yeah,

540
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: I I don't think that's that's a thing. But I

541
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe maybe maybe I'm wrong on this. We

542
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: could be, but I think not in the seventies. No,

543
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: because it's a minor and it's a major medical procedure.

544
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: You usually don't get um like rights over your body

545
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: medically into you don't have any right to privacy is

546
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: a thirteen year old because your property like a desk.

547
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: That's what Dobson would say. Um. Dobson's uh, you know,

548
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: co founder of Folks in the Family who later you know,

549
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: came out kind of against Dobson because he was scared

550
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: of what he was doing. Um. Gil Alexander Mogarel wrote

551
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: a whole book about Dobson called James Dobson's War on America. Um,

552
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: now this is I hope somebody writes a book like

553
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: that about me one day. Robert Evans bar in America,

554
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: well on the FDA. Maybe it's a good title. Yeah, Um, noted.

555
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: Here's a quote from the very good book James Dobson's

556
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: War in America. Two years after we started Focus on

557
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: the Family, Jim got his first taste of the surreal

558
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: sense of power and control that working in Washington offers.

559
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: The flavor was sweet to to this only child, and

560
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: ever since focused on the Family's component about political activism

561
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: has been a central feature in the life and work

562
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: of James Dobson, and one that he personally relishes more

563
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: than any other aspect of it. And this absolutely is true.

564
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: He as soon as he got some political influence, he

565
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: got like addicted to this. Yeah. It's almost like power

566
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: is is a literal drug that that ruins people. And

567
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: if you were already kind of shitty beforehand, it makes

568
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: you into something, um more frightening than any any anything

569
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: Lovecraft ever dreamed up. Sure, yeah, yeah, how did we

570
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: end up at love Craft? I don't know, But like

571
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: cosmic James Dobson, I think about cosmic car I think

572
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: but the death of stars, Yeah, and the death of

573
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: many teenagers. Yeah, a lot of teenagers. Um, which will

574
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: we'll find out about? Yeah? Yeah. The first taste of

575
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: worming his way, like the first taste of power was

576
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: him worming his way onto the Carter Family Advisory Council,

577
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: like the thing that President Carter established. UM. By now

578
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: Focus on the Family's radio program was expanded to a

579
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: daily fifteen minute program instead of a weekly one. Um.

580
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: It was on hundreds of stations now um A year

581
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: later in the program got turned into a thirty minute show.

582
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: It became racking up thousands of stations around then. UM

583
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: what Now. The way Dobson got on this council is

584
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: that one day on air, he persuaded his listeners that

585
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: he needed to be on this this this whole like

586
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: family conference thing, telling them that such conferences are usually

587
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: dominated by quote Eastern establishment to liberal secular humanists. Um,

588
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: he's got all the buzzwords in there. Yeah. So Dobson

589
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: was fear was trying to scare his audience UM and

590
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: saying that maybe if um, maybe that he can maybe

591
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: Dobson can get invited on if his listeners right into

592
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: the conference director urging to invite Dr Dobson UM and

593
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: wrote and wrote in They did. Eighty thou people either

594
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: called in or wrote into the White House UM requesting

595
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: Dobson joined the committee slash conference. UH an invitation was

596
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: to join was sent out to this relatively unknown Christian

597
00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: radio psychologists from l a UM. Yeah, also take notes, listeners,

598
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: because I would like to be on a commission. People

599
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: call in. Yeah, just whatever commism, whatever commission, it doesn't matter.

600
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: Whatever commission Robert wants, We're going to get him on. Yeah.

601
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: Everyone gets your phones ready to take a random something

602
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: like something to do with like like like potatoes or

603
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: some ship something something in their potato conference would be good. Yeah,

604
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: I could. I know a lot about potatoes, you know,

605
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: like the ones I'm talking in your house a few

606
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: weeks ago. I did. I did have some poto anywhere.

607
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: Were left my cabinet for far too long. Yeah, an

608
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: not really potatoe. After this invitation was sent out the

609
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: post article rights that's when he realized the power of

610
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: his electronic forum UM, the power he's not hesitated to

611
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: use on other issues, including the Civil Rights Restoration Act

612
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: and now here this Dobson got. Dobson got hundreds of

613
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: thousands of people to call in and oppose the Civil

614
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: Rights Restoration Act of UM. The bill then failed to

615
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: pass on the on the first few votes that they

616
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: tried to do. It only passed four years later after

617
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: quote abortion neutral language was added, so, you know, utilizing

618
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: your public power to quash the Civil Rights Restoration Act

619
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:28,959
Speaker 1: as one does. Yeah. So here here's the good part.

620
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: After the bill was passed with you know, the uh,

621
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: with the abortion neutral language, Reagan then vetoed the bill

622
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: great great politics sational. The Senate then had to override

623
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: his veto. UM. It's unclear how much influence Dobson had

624
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 1: on this whole like videoing process with Reagan and stuff.

625
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: But as we'll soon see, UM, Dobson and Reagan became

626
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: very close friends. UM, and Dobson did not hesitate to

627
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: use his power to mobilize hundreds of people to call

628
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: the government to complain about that just happened to agree

629
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: with him about hitting little kids. That was my Reagan.

630
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: There's some really good pictures of Dobson and Reagan together,

631
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: just together, pretending the AIDS crisis isn't happening. Dobson was

632
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: happy about the AIDS crisis. Dobson hated gay people so much.

633
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: I'll bet that was the best thing that ever happened.

634
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 1: That's why he wasn't talking about gay people in the eighties,

635
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: because he was happy where things were going. He only

636
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Speaker 1: started talking with them in the nineties and two thousands

637
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: when they started to get a little bit better. Yeah,

638
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: when when they weren't all dying. Yeah, Yeah, I'm sure

639
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: that was hard for him. Shortly after UM Ronald Reagan's election,

640
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: he put Dobson on the National Advisory Commission to the

641
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: Officer of the Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention Program, which

642
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: is way too long of a title. Yep, that's way

643
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: too long of a title for anything. But Dobson got

644
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: put on this because Reagan liked him. UM Dobson also

645
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: served as co chairman on the Citizens Advisory Panel for

646
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: Tax for Form in consultation with Reagan. I don't know

647
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: what Dobson's qualifications were for tax reform because that's not

648
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: really part of any of his education training. And there

649
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: he was running a nonprofit tax adam business that was

650
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: just a media empire at this point, So I really

651
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: don't think he should be the one on this tax advice.

652
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: Is just convinced me that I do have what it

653
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: takes to run the American Coastguard. I'm gonna I'm gonna start,

654
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start putting up feelers to the Biden put

655
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: me in charge of the Coastguard. Listener, everyone, let's email

656
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: the Biden team and let's get Robert and charged. I

657
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: don't know what I'll do, and neither will the Coastguard.

658
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: That'll keep them on their toes. Uh. Dobson also served

659
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: as a member Dobson Dobson also served as a speaking

660
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: of the Coastguard. UM. Dobson served as a member and

661
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: the and the chairman of the United States Armies Family Initiative,

662
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: which was like about Army families and stuff and you know,

663
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: you know stuff. Um. He was appointed UM to Attorney

664
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Speaker 1: General Edwin Meeces Commission on Pornography in the mid eighties,

665
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: and he got put on a teen pregnancy prevention panel,

666
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: which I just think is not a good call as

667
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: someone who hates abortion. But you know, seems like he

668
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: might not have a lot of helpful things to share there. Yeah,

669
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: and he also got put on Attorney General's Advisory Board

670
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: on Missing and Exploited Children. Um, he was up to

671
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: so much stuff. Seems like he actually might know why

672
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: some kids are missing. He's he's responsible for a lot

673
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: of missing children. His kind of workers the reason why

674
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: a lot of kids ran away. Yeah, especially in the

675
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: nineties and two thousand's good decision for those kids to make. Yeah. So,

676
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: despite him being up to a lot of stuff during

677
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: the reggae years, Dobson wanted more and he wanted more

678
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: direct lobbying power. UM. This next bit is taken from

679
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: the Washington Post article again UH the nineteen In the

680
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: Dobson convinced that. Dobson was convinced that the Conservative cause

681
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: needed more help than he alone could give. He persuaded

682
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: the Focus on the Family Board to buy the Family

683
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: Research Council. Since that purchase, the Family Research Council has

684
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: become one of the largest evangelical Christian lobbying organizations in Washington. UM,

685
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: and this is likely inaccurate. It was the biggest Christian

686
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: lobbying group ever in the history of this country. Awesome

687
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Speaker 1: UM former the former vice president and UH and co founder,

688
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: who since since like came out against Dobson, now says

689
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: of Dobson, he is a tremendous threat to the separation

690
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: of church and state. UM. James Dobson lobbies Washington more

691
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: powerfully than any individual or organization within the religious right.

692
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad he figured it out after a while,

693
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: but It would have been nice if he hadn't helped him,

694
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: if he didn't help him start the business, start the

695
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: thing that is essentially a giant weapon aimed at shooting

696
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: all of our freedom in the dick. He should have

697
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: or whatever, he should have realized that. Um, do you

698
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: know who won't shoot your freedom in the dick? Robert

699
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: or whatever? Or very inclusive. Here the fine products and

700
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: services that support your very show. Thank you, Garrison. Yeah, products,

701
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: and hello, we are back. This is Garrison talking about

702
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: focus on the family here, and this is Robert listening

703
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: and planning a violent counter coup. Yes, and well we'll

704
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: figure things out after the recording session. Why doesn't have

705
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: to be violent just because of the mercenaries I hired?

706
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I should have been more prepared. I should

707
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: have brought more than one. You should have brought mercy.

708
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: It's a coup. Yeah, I should have planned this a

709
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: little bit. You want to get yourself some former Navy

710
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: seals who have just been doing nothing but mainlining cocaine

711
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: ever since they got building and building a pipe part.

712
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: Those are the best guys to help you do a coup.

713
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: They never, for example, wind up arrested on the streets

714
00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: of Venezuela's soaking in their own urine. Uh. Good times,

715
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: better times than this because in the mid better times

716
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: than the mid nineties in America, because in the mid

717
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: nineties Dobson was receiving a hundred twenty five million dollars

718
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: in lobbying power between Focus and Family Family Research Council

719
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: in the nineties, UM the Family the f r C.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of referred to UM or. They continue to

721
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: be an active Christian lobbying group today. It's not as

722
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: influential now, but it's still as active. UM. It also

723
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: is affiliated with a with a conservative pack called Family

724
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Speaker 1: Research Council Action UM. In two ten, the Southern Power

725
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: they were skipping ahead a little bit, but we'll we'll

726
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: go back in time later. UM. Twous and ten, the

727
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: Southern Poverty Law Center declared the group as an anti

728
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: gay hit group. UM. Yep, seems like that's fair. This

729
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: is the Family Family Research Council lobbying up here. Focus

730
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: on the Family never got declared an anti gay hit

731
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: group because it was they were too religious about it

732
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: that Southern Center didn't feel comfortable calling it that. I

733
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: feel very comfortable calling it an anti gay group. Because

734
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: they ran a conversion therapy program. We're gonna talk more

735
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: about what Focus in the Family was doing for anti

736
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: guay stuff in in part two because they didn't really

737
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: get really active that until the nineties. UM. But the

738
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 1: Post article sums up quite well what made Dobson's entry

739
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: into politics unique at the time, and they kind of

740
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: ushered in a whole new type of political Christian conservative activism. UM.

741
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: Dobson says he has no intention of ever running for office,

742
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: a pledge even his critics believe, but he also he

743
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: also says Focus in the Family should not endorse candidates,

744
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: although letters to the GOP and Democratic presidential nominees in

745
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: competance sent out to constituents UM leaves little room for

746
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: doubt that he believed Bush to be the better candidate.

747
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: But what it made it more unique is how Dobson

748
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: entered into politics quietly, without the press conferences and pomp

749
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: that surrounded predecessors like Reverend Jerry Folwell. Uh. This represents

750
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: a maturing of a certain segment of evangelicalism within mainstream politics,

751
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: particularly in the in the Republican Party. According to a

752
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: Brooking Institution fellow UM, an expert on religious life. Gone

753
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: are the days of TV preachers and bombast What lay

754
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: in their place are layman like Dobson who are emerging

755
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: and taking more of a talking more about with a

756
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: palatable language that's less about religion and more about civil rights.

757
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: So like trying to like, you know, their their rights

758
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: to run, the right to raise their kids their way,

759
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: and they're right for you know, unborn babies. That's like

760
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: kind of it's like, it's the real change from from

761
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: like religious conservative activism to being like to be mainly

762
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: about religion to being more about civil rights. Was was

763
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: Dobson kind was the first one to do that, which

764
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: is now we see a lot of that nowadays in

765
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: the Senate and Congress, in the White House. Okay, yeah,

766
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 1: so yeah it is um ABC primetime profile on Dobson

767
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: opens up, opens up like this. He was one of

768
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,959
Speaker 1: the most powerful men in the country, and yet few

769
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: people even know his name. On Capitol Hill. He's treated

770
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: like some big powerful lobbyists because he was and yeah,

771
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: uh but and you've probably never you've never you've probably

772
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: never heard of him. But James Dobson's one of the

773
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 1: most influential leaders in the entire religious right. Dobson's vision

774
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: to transform America is known to every member of the

775
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: House and Senate, and he's been delivering his messages to

776
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: the White House in person for years. Thanks ABC for

777
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: really cracking the case on that one in the nineties. Uh.

778
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: Dobson's often described as like a stealth campaigner or a

779
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: stealth lobbyist for his ability to remain kind of under

780
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: the radar despite his massive influence. Because yeah, if if

781
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: you even if you're kind of into politics, there's a

782
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: good chance that now you've never even heard of focus

783
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: on the family or family research counsel or Dobson, because

784
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: he was very good at staying under the radar despite

785
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: his massive power. Yeah, they're just one of those groups

786
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: that you like, you see them referenced constantly, you see

787
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: their logo on things, but it's usually just with a

788
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: bunch of other fucking different like non governmental organizations, Like

789
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't He's not the kind of Yeah, that's that's

790
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: really how you exercise terrifying power. That's good, Yeah, because

791
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: it's more dangerous because because we knew so little about time, Well,

792
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: everybody's angry about I don't know, there was other stuff happening.

793
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: There was other stuff happening. Um, couple of wars, I think,

794
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Um. Well, as Dobson's political aspirations were growing,

795
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: so was focused on the Families so called nonprofit publishing

796
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: empire UM citing the book Stations at the Cross Christianity Today,

797
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: which is the biggest evangelical slash Christian magazine UM dubbed

798
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: focused on the Family's president and founder, James Dobson, the

799
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: undisputed king of Christian radio. Focus on the Family was

800
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: the third most listened to radio show in the entire

801
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: country after the Rush Limbaugh and Paul Harvey programs, and

802
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: estimated twenty point six million people listened to his evangelical

803
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: radio program at least once a week, so in the

804
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: in the nineties he was the third. He had the

805
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: third most popular radio show in the entire in the

806
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: entire country. Yeah yeah, I'm not I'm not happy with

807
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: the way this is going. Really thinking electricity might have

808
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: been a mistake. And it's good that Rush Limbaugh is

809
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: the most and then and then it's Paul Harvey, and

810
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: then it's James Dobson. Although actually, according to other sources,

811
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: James Dobson beat out beats out Paul Harvey Um. In

812
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: some years it's there. They're kind of neck and neck. Um.

813
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: But Russia Limbaugh is the first one, and that you

814
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: have that, you have James Dobson Rush Limbaugh is the

815
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: first one, the good old, the good old one to

816
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: combo us James Dobson. Dobson wasn't a big part of

817
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: my childhood, but Limbaugh was. Um. And I that's why

818
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: I had fun lessons from my mom, like why it's

819
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: okay to carpet bomb the Middle East? Yeah, and had

820
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: I had the opposite. I didn't have Russia Limba, but

821
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: I had James Dobson. Yeah. So yeah, that explains the

822
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: differences between the only differences we have is that that

823
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: one event and the Canada thing. You like, you call

824
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: hats the wrong word. What do you call hats? It's

825
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: a it's a little too degenerate term. I canceled me

826
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: on Twitter off do it post listeners can't see it,

827
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: but my face went, oh yeah, it went like Sophie's

828
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: expressed the proper reaction to Canadian burbiage. Um By. They

829
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: had seven separate magazines in print, focus on the Family

830
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: here for for this norm. They had good content for

831
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: all it's not this nonprofit magazine at seven seven of them,

832
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: which they sold again nonprofitly um Focus on the Family

833
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: successfully had books being published themselves. At this point, many

834
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: seminars and sermons were taped and then sold nationally and internationally.

835
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: They got to deal with the US Army that the

836
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: US Army like bought and set them out to teach

837
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 1: army parents and get their kids. Yes, yeah, yeah, because

838
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: you're in the army, you know how to hit, but

839
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: you might not know it's okay your own children. You

840
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: don't just have to hit Iraqis. You can hit your kids.

841
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: It'll help you get better at hitting iraqi. Yeah, it's

842
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: good practice. If you get good at doing it to

843
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: your children without remorse, you can hit any of their

844
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: child interact. If you can harm your own children without

845
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: a thought, then you can really commit violence on behalf

846
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: of the state. A Focus on the Family made a

847
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Speaker 1: thirteen episode live action like half live action, half animated

848
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Speaker 1: TV show called mcgeene me Um. They started a whole

849
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Speaker 1: film department, most popular for their Last Chance Detectives series

850
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: in the mid nineties, which cost by like one million

851
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: dollars per film to make. And it's all just propaganda, right, here,

852
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: here's the not all of it, which is why it

853
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: gets actually really interesting and dangerous. It's why you hear

854
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: about focus on the family, like you'll see their name

855
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: at the end of a bunch of different like public

856
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: TV shows and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, So like the thing

857
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: about um all of their entertainment media is that more

858
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: often than not it's frustratingly competent um because again, they

859
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: had hundreds of millions of dollars at the disposal UM.

860
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Speaker 1: A review of mcgheine me, which I've watched all of

861
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Speaker 1: as a kid, I watched, I watched all these to

862
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: all these things. Slash Ens Detectives is kind of helped

863
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: me get on my detective path, which I now you

864
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: sing you are you are a detective? Yeah, um but

865
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: but yeah, those of you who don't know you are

866
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 1: track down the identity of Kyle Rittenhouse, the Kenosha shooter,

867
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: like six hours before the police figured out who it was.

868
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Speaker 1: There's a Forbes article about it. Yeah, thanks, focused on

869
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: the family of A review of m ME from Chicago

870
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Speaker 1: from the Chao Tribune says that the show is exceptional.

871
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying it has the pression qualities top notch. The

872
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: show offers an entertain a mixture of live action animation

873
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: as well as well written stories with positive more messages,

874
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: and although the stories are definitely based on principles from

875
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: the Bible, the series isn't excessively preachy or pushy, which

876
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: is why I can get on the air. And apparently

877
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: the animation from the show was done by the award

878
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: winning team from fregl Rock, My Little Pony and Mappa Babies.

879
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: Fraggle Rock, Yeah, I know the drawn into this and

880
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: Mappa Babies that's the one that hits. I didn't want

881
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: to hear the rock dudes helped make little dominionist Christian property.

882
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,479
Speaker 1: Let us let us talk about the babies and Frago

883
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: Rock Sophie, come on, Little unacceptable. I'm not happy with

884
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: any of this. Um, but by far, the most successful

885
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: and popular media program that folks the Family has ever

886
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: made and run is an audio drama series called Adventures

887
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: in Odyssey. Now we're gonna go on a bit of

888
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: an aside here, because again this is this is radio.

889
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: We're on radio, um right is Radio Garrison. It sounds

890
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: with your voices, and sounds with your voices, concept forms

891
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: and wavelengths, and yeah, I'm not sure it's gonna catch on,

892
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: but continue. Um. I listened to shiploads as of the

893
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: show as a kid. Um. It's been running NonStop since

894
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven. Um, and it was the second most

895
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: listened to Christian radio program. Can you guess what? It was?

896
00:49:54,840 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: Only beating up by the other focus of the family programs? Great? Okay. Um.

897
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: So the premise of the show is that you're in

898
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: this small Midwestern town on the main character is this

899
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: old Christian man named Mr. Whittaker, who is an ex

900
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: secret agent and a genius inventor who runs like an

901
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: ice cream shop slash learning center called wits End. Here's

902
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: a picture, Roberts. It sounds like you're describing the kind

903
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: of dreams that you get after I don't know, like

904
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: taking a shipload of acid. This show is so weird.

905
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: So here's Mr Whittaker. He can you describe how that

906
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: looks to the audience. Um, it looks like Wilfred Brimley. Yeah,

907
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: he looks like Wilford. Um. So, even though I said

908
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: the main character is this old ex agent man who's

909
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: an inventor and runs an ice cream shop, their prospective

910
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: characters are these like different families that cycle out of

911
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: the show every ten years or so. Um, they deal

912
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: with like family issues and small town political issues, and

913
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: this old guy is like a mentor figure to this

914
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: whole town. Um, I'm gonna show you. I'm sure, Robert,

915
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure Robert a picture of of one of these families.

916
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: I don't like his outfit. You don't like his outfit? Now? Okay, well,

917
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sure Robert a picture one of these families.

918
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: And note these are the only black characters they've ever

919
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: had in the entire show. When when they were so

920
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: he got were the course of the thirty years, for

921
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: five years out of the thirty years, their Maine family

922
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: with the black family. Uh, but besides that, they've had

923
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: no black characters. Oh no, it's really oh no, oh no,

924
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: So they just drew O. J. Simpson, right, They just J.

925
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: Simpson for the dad. Okay, that's oh boy. And they

926
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: all boys accentuated teeth and really Johnny foreheads, tiny eyeballs.

927
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: It's really bad J. Simpson though, That is absolutely O. J. Simpson.

928
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 1: That is James or in fall Simpson, the most innocent

929
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: man in history. Yeah, the juice was loose for five years.

930
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: Christian television. Now, this episode that I listened to as

931
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 1: the episode that that Arbork is from gave me nightmares

932
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: as a child. By the way, before I saw the

933
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: artwork was because of something. It was like it was

934
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: their closest together getting to like a horror episode. I

935
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: see that they're in an old West town there, they're

936
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: only there. Why is the kid hold I just realized

937
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 1: acting it's because they were like they were like, I forget,

938
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: but I know this episode. I know this specific episode

939
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: gave me a nightmares because they went to this old

940
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: western town had like take up a treasure or something. Yeah,

941
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were ghosts listeners all post start alloud

942
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: because of Christian stuff, right, because that would imply an

943
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: afterlife outside. I've told you this before, but one of

944
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: the most popular episodes is called Castles and Cauldrons, and

945
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: they had a d an episode about how D and

946
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: D is bad and satanic? Yeah good, Yeah good. This

947
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: seems like a fun show that you watched as a kid.

948
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: Game so much of this yeah, so like it was

949
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: radio show. They also made a television show based off

950
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: of it, okay animated. Um so, the original gimmick of

951
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: the show is that Mr Whittaker, the inventor X agent guy,

952
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: made this invention called the Imagination Station, which is like

953
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: a mix of the hollow Deck and a time machine

954
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: kind of unclear. Um. Now, the purpose that serves in

955
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: the show is a way to travel to the quote

956
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: unquote past to teach the audience. Um, an audience surrogates

957
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: quote unquote history an incredibly an incredibly whitewashed pro colonial

958
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: Christian revisionist history. I mean, that's all terrible, but I'm

959
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: already coming up with an alternate cannon in my head

960
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: in which Mr Whittaker is a former CIA agent and

961
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: all he's doing is dosing these keys from the n

962
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: s A. Yeah, I've got my own head cannon. He's

963
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: given MLSD. This is all he's continuing mk ultra on

964
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: his own make a way that would make way more sense.

965
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: Um yeah. But like again, the frustrating thing is that

966
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: the show is very well produced, often hiring l A

967
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: voice actors, like it has people from the Animaniacs who

968
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: are still on the show now, which I don't know how, Yeah,

969
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: because people need paychecks. The main character from Steven un Verse,

970
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: like the guy who was to Stephen used to when

971
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: he was a very small child voiced a character on

972
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: this show before he broke out into animation. Um for

973
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: Stephen Universe and stuff. You know, a very gay show.

974
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: Um and focused on the family is a very not

975
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: gay friendly company. I mean, if he was a kid,

976
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: he was, he was a very young child, and he's

977
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: now he's an adult. Um. Yeah, we all need paychecks. Yeah, um,

978
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: we get good health insurance in this country. Years. And

979
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if they taught you that in Canada. Yeah,

980
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: I know, I live here, I know. Yeah. Yeah, not

981
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: a great call, by the way, I know. Anyway, Yeah,

982
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 1: there was spinoff movies, tons of books. Um, for some reason,

983
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: Mr Whittaker's son is also a secret agent. Okay, of

984
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: but the goal you see, right, so we stopped, so

985
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: we stopped. Wait guys, all right, So the goal of

986
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: the show runners supposed to make him like an anti

987
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: James Bond, or like a Christian version of James Bond. Now, Robert,

988
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: picture that man in your head? What people in the nineties,

989
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: Christian people in the nineties thought the Christian version of

990
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: James Bond would look like picture that end in your head. Okay,

991
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: do you have him? Yeah? All right? And the scrolled

992
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: down here he is, which wait, all he's all of them,

993
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: all these all three is Indiana Jones clearly in one

994
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: of those there's three pictures here, one of them in

995
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: like a very tight shirt. First Sync, Yeah, yeah, he

996
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: looked he does look like a member of in Sync.

997
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: And the first one he has three has like he

998
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: has like he has like a goatee. He has like

999
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: a little like soule patch and gotee. It's not attractive,

1000
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: it's not good. Has he has giant feet future abnormal

1001
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: and elf like at the toe. And then in one

1002
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: of these pictures, they've done a terrible thing and put

1003
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: him in Indiana Jones out of that, which I am

1004
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: offended by. Yeah, it's very upsetting. Who was he in

1005
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: the middle, because Indiana Jones, that's very famously was not

1006
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: a Christian, because he knew for certain about the existence

1007
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: of their deities, the magical. All three of the same

1008
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: character these looks like this is the same this is

1009
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: the same guy. This is the same guy. Yeah, well,

1010
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess. Indiana Jones's religious status is unknown,

1011
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: but he both engages with like mystical powers on behalf

1012
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: of Hinduism, Judaism, and Christianity, so you have to assume

1013
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: he's got some new nuanced understanding of the Yeah. I

1014
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: just don't like that. Yeah, that this person they tried

1015
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: to make a cool Christian version of James Bond, who

1016
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: looks terrible. The first guy is definitely the most babilicious

1017
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: of the three. Yeah, I really he looks like Lance Bass.

1018
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: No he doesn't. He looks like the j c uh

1019
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: oh no, I'm so sorry nineties. We'll have to agree

1020
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: to disagree, all right. Anyway, from I don't know who

1021
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: that is, I think he's he definitely knows the bye

1022
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: bye bye. Back to Dobson. Back to Dobson specifically, Um,

1023
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: one of his more weird griffs was doing Ted Bundy's

1024
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: final interview. How did that happen? You're gonna find out? Okay?

1025
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: On the date. On the day before Bundy was executed

1026
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: in nine Bundy received hundreds of interview requests from media outlets.

1027
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: He denied all of these, and specifically requested to be

1028
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: interviewed by James Dobson. The entire interview was about how

1029
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: it was actually pornography that caused Bundy to murder and

1030
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,959
Speaker 1: rape all of those people. What a weird last flip

1031
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: which which which which was which Bundy specifically argued against

1032
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: in court he said it wasn't pornography, and then as

1033
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: a final troll, he got Dobson in to like record

1034
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: this whole interview about how was actually poor and that

1035
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: made him murder and right pulled his people. What a

1036
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: piece of So not only does he kill all those people,

1037
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: but like the last thing he gets a choice over,

1038
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: he uses that choice to funk up porn for everybody. Yes,

1039
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: so it's cleared us. It's about this Ted Bundy character. Oh,

1040
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: this has really pushed you over the edge. I'm no

1041
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: longer I'm no longer neutral on Well that's that's a

1042
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: good development. I'm kind of concerned for your previous Bundy views.

1043
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: But okay, like I have one tattoo of the guy

1044
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean tattoo. Yeah, it's like so it's clear

1045
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: that Bundy was essentially trolling Dobson and the entire world here. Um,

1046
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: But Dobson found a way to capitalize on this exclusive um.

1047
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: The tapes were technically free to use, but with the

1048
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: stipulation that the interview be aired in its entirety without

1049
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: editing or interruption, which is over like an hour long.

1050
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: So it gave Dobson a lot of time to talk

1051
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: and of course the news news media is not going

1052
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: to do that. Um. So it's technically free to you

1053
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: because again he runs a nonprofit company. UM. But he

1054
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: would he would sell if you cut down the interview

1055
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: at all, he would charge you for the tapes. Uh.

1056
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: This it proved to be extremely profitable for Dobson. Um.

1057
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: He either gets here yeah okay, capitalized on Ted Bundy.

1058
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: He either gets a straight hour of media exposure on

1059
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: national news programs, or he gets money. Within a year,

1060
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: Dobson ranked in over a million dollars in profit from

1061
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: the tapes. Um. He initially pocketed all of the money

1062
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: for himself. Oh yeah good, why would you give it

1063
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: to the families of his victims? But amid public outcry,

1064
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: he donated six dollars to it, sillars of it to

1065
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: anti porn groups and anti abortion groups. You know you're

1066
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: a good person when your backstory repeatedly includes the line

1067
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: amid public outcry. Um so that he kept um he

1068
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: kept so like he kept four d dollars for himself

1069
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: and but but part of the six dollars donated to

1070
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: anti porn and anti abortion groups. UM Focus on the

1071
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: Family is included as those groups. So can you just

1072
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,919
Speaker 1: give the money to himself? He killed a piece of ship,

1073
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: he kept beautiful, He kept four dollars in his own

1074
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: bank account and then gave the rest to the business

1075
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: he owns. That's UM, I gotta hand it to him.

1076
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: That's a good grift. That's a good Grift's a good grift.

1077
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: Not not many people would look at a man who

1078
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: repeatedly raped and molested the corpses of his victims and go,

1079
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: I bet I can make a million dollars off this guy.

1080
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: So every media empire needs its own castle. Folks in

1081
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: the families no exception. UM Focus on the Family claims

1082
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: they accepted a four million dollar grant from the Colorado

1083
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: based L. Palmer Foundation. The foundation's website says they accept

1084
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: applications from five O one C three organizations UM to

1085
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: serve Colorado in the areas of arts and culture and

1086
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: community and health and blah blah blah whatever. So at

1087
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: the time, Focus on the Family was based on the

1088
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: California So they applied for this grant UM and then

1089
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: they got this money, so that they had then they

1090
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: had to move to Colorado's to get the grant accepted,

1091
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: so for four million dollars UM, they they transferred three

1092
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: employees from California to Colorado and hired four hundred more

1093
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: in state. Forty six acre lot was purchased um to

1094
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: build their grand headquarters in Colorado Springs. They have their

1095
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: entire They have their own entire zip code for their

1096
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: further headquarters. During a tour of the folks in the

1097
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: family offices, a couple from Michigan asked if handling all

1098
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: of the sightseers in the main building was a distraction

1099
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: from the regular working staff. The working staff said yes.

1100
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: The couple then donated four million dollars to build a

1101
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: new visitors center on the land u so Focus. The

1102
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: family soon had built five hundred and twenty six thousand

1103
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: hundred square feet of stuff on their Colorado, Colorado property,

1104
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: including an entire replica of wits end that the ice

1105
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: cream shop, slash of learning center from their radio program Amazing,

1106
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: which um which I have been to. How's the ice cream?

1107
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: I screams, not that the rest of it. I may

1108
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: have some notes. Did you get drugged by a former spook? No,

1109
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: but my brother did cut his head open in here

1110
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: he fell and cut his head, opens his scar. You'll

1111
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: you'll shoot a suit. Well we were very happy at

1112
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: the time because we were they are called yeah whatever. Um. Yeah,

1113
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: so i I've been there. Um in the focus on

1114
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: the Family is like welcome center. Kind of film he

1115
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: has like always you know people have Liken always have

1116
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: like a film playing on a television. Ever. Um Dobson

1117
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: compares his decision to build the headquarters in Colorado Springs

1118
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: to the founding of the Temple at Jerusalem. Okay, makes

1119
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting calls. This. So when when I

1120
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: went to the Focus of the Family headquarters when I

1121
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: was like ten, I was not there in a journalistic

1122
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: capacity because I was ten years old. Um, an intercult Um.

1123
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna refer to Auslan article about touring the

1124
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: facility in the in the late nineties. Um. The tour

1125
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: guide takes me upstairs to where the real work happens.

1126
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: We Uh. We stopped first at a at a viewing

1127
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: room for an area full of cubicles. Hundred and twenty

1128
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: people work here. The tour out explains all they do

1129
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: is answer focus on the Family correspondence. Uh. The room

1130
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: is empty today because it's a Saturday, but he says

1131
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: during the week it brims with activity. He tells me

1132
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: how Focused listeners pour out their problems, asking for prayers

1133
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: on on their behalf and UH and seek advice on

1134
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: things like marital problems, depression, and their sons and daughters

1135
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: who are gay. We receive about ten thousand letters a day,

1136
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: he says. Sometimes they send money. The guy that mets,

1137
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: but Focus on the Family doesn't require them to every

1138
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: Every letter gets an answer, regardless of who sends it.

1139
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: He points out that the correspondent staff takes the initiative

1140
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: to send out free literature books and tapes of Focus

1141
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: on the Family broadcasts even to those who don't donate. UH.

1142
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: Focus on the Family also keeps a database with description

1143
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: of everyone's problem to refer back to them if the

1144
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: person ever writes again. This database is over four million names.

1145
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: That's really creepy. It gets so weird, it gets worse.

1146
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: This database is very interesting and terrifying. UM. A big

1147
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: part of the daily radio show is asking listeners to

1148
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: write in with questions or for people to send donations.

1149
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes they'll advise like, if you donate x amount, will

1150
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: shipt you this book as a thank you. Um, you

1151
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: know this stuff like that, that's kind of common. Um.

1152
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: The Folkus of the Family co founder describes the radio

1153
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: business model like this, most focused on the family broadcast

1154
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: give the appearance of half of half howurd talk shows,

1155
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: but are actually thirty minute infomercials for our focus on

1156
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: the family product. It's as ingenious as it is perfectly legitimate.

1157
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: The goal here is obviously for people to send money,

1158
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: because you know, there are a donation primarily donation based

1159
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: nonprofit quote unquote. Um, they also sell stuff or or

1160
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: you like, buy stuff, but it's a technico donation that

1161
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: they send you a book, So thank you, just you know, yeah, Um,

1162
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: But so sending them to the goals to send money,

1163
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,959
Speaker 1: but just sending them any correspondence is a win, because

1164
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: whether they send in money or just a question, their

1165
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: names and address is get added to this master database. Um.

1166
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: A special complimentary magazine is sent out monthly to everyone

1167
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: in this database, just like um, just like the radio

1168
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: show is a product catalog thinly veiled as a parenting guide. UM,

1169
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: so is this this magazine that they send out? It's

1170
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: mainly but people, it's it's too you know, the advertising

1171
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: products and stuff. But It's thinly veiled as like parenting

1172
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: advice for like you know, a free free magazine from

1173
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: Focus on the Family UM. People on Smiling This are

1174
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: also strongly encouraged to set up a monthly donation with

1175
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: with different like thank you gift tears kind of like

1176
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: Patreon UM. Not only does Dobinson and Focus on the

1177
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: Family use this database as like a grifting machine, it's

1178
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: also another way for Dobson to deploy his army of supporters.

1179
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: He will routinely personally write letters for a call to action,

1180
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: including a way for someone to contact Capitol Hill UM.

1181
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 1: Then then he can just like mail out to everyone

1182
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: in this database, you know, for people to respond so

1183
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 1: you can easily, you know, get changes in legislation done

1184
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: so this database, combined his ability to simply disparagingly mention

1185
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: a piece of let of of a piece of legislation

1186
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: on air UH can get resulting in hundreds of thousands

1187
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: of people to write in or call in. He also

1188
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: he also has the power to mobilize people UH to

1189
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: meet his political goals through this like database like letter

1190
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: system UM. And everyone in Washington knows this, which is

1191
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: why so many conservative politicians have gotten so cozy with

1192
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: Dobson is because he has this database that he can

1193
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: just use on a whim to like mail something else

1194
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: to like millions of people and then also just address

1195
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: stuff on his radio show Agress. And part of why

1196
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: this works is because he develops a p social relationship

1197
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: with his listeners. It's like, hey, I James, as your

1198
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: friend needs your help with this thing. I will send

1199
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: you on a letter, you know, call in to us

1200
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: if you have a family issue. You know, He'll get

1201
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: people to respond, then just get more and more names

1202
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: added added to the database. Uh, massive thing. A huge

1203
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: amount of the right wing, like the whole right wing,

1204
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: is all about getting mailing lists which then monetized and

1205
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: used to drive donations and stuff. Yeah. So in the

1206
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: in the next episode, we're gonna hear about the best

1207
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: thing that ever happened with this database. Um. But also

1208
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: all the gay conversion therapy program do it. So we

1209
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: have those two things to look forward to. But that

1210
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: is the end of this section about focusing the family

1211
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: and James Dobson. How do you How do you feel, Robert?

1212
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: I feel good. Um, I love that I've been pretty

1213
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: standard kind of Yeah. I love that he managed to

1214
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: make hundreds of millions of dollars for himself and his organization,

1215
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: although those two things are essentially the same because nobody

1216
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: ever goes after these people for breaking the law flagrantly. UM.

1217
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: I loved that he monetized a mass murderer. UM and

1218
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: then when he got in trouble from monetizing it, he

1219
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: still gave the money to himself himself. UM I love.

1220
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: I love. What I love about the right is the

1221
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: complete lack of ethical consistency and the total and all

1222
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: consuming lust for power. UM. And I think in James

1223
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: Dobson embodies that in a number of ways, but most

1224
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: clearly in his desire to have people do violence to children,

1225
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: because that's really the core of like that right wing

1226
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: obsession with power is like, if a child disrespects an adult,

1227
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: they deserve to be harmed. This was an idea that

1228
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 1: I grew up with a lot too, Like my mom

1229
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: would tell me if I ever if I ever hear

1230
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: you talk back to an adult, like I'll beat the

1231
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: ship out of you, UM and variations of that. UM.

1232
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: And the things that I got the most physical punishment

1233
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: for as a kid were times in which UM I

1234
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: disrespected an adult. This idea that like, the worst thing

1235
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: you can do as a child is not respect the

1236
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: power of adults. Um. It it all speaks to the

1237
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: kind of man he is. And as soon as he realizes,

1238
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: like like when he's got no power, um, before he

1239
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: gets into politics, then he's obsessed with this idea of

1240
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: disciplining children. Um. But as soon as he has some

1241
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: chance to force his views on everyone else, he takes it.

1242
01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: Because that's the kind of person he is. He does

1243
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: want people to be able to do things he doesn't

1244
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: personally want them doing. That's the essence of him and

1245
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: of conservatism. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. As as we'll learn

1246
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: more about gay conversion therapy, which in alves a lot

1247
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: of child abuse in the next episode. Awesome, m Robert,

1248
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: do you have any pluggables you want to plug? Um?

1249
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, Um, I have a podcast it's this one.

1250
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: Um you can probably yeah, you can listen to it

1251
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: on the internet. Yeah. She's great. Um. The internet is

1252
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: also great. One of many things that has no consequences.

1253
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 1: So find me. Find me on the internet alongside a

1254
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: bunch of racists plotting the downfall of civilization. But Roberts

1255
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: on Twitter and I right, Okay, I'm on Twitter and

1256
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: there's a t public store behind the bastards. You can

1257
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: get the FDA approved to prevent all diseases thing. I'll

1258
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: see you guys the next episode. Yeah shook right now.

1259
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: Look how while he did, I always knew he was

1260
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: coming from behind. Dude phrasing all right, goodbye, mm hmm