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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff You Should Know?

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Speaker 1: From House Stuffworks dot Com? Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh. Chuck's with me. Say hi, Chuck, Hi, and

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Speaker 1: I know it titillates Chuck when I say this, So,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Stuff you should Know. I love it. Ye

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Speaker 1: sixty episodes in and we're introducing the show as the show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well you know you got the training things.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I like it. Yeah, pretty pretty soon I'll just

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Speaker 1: start making up new names for it. Will be like, wait,

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Speaker 1: did I down a little the right one? Yeah? Um, so,

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Speaker 1: Chuck as uh as I am usually want to do.

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Speaker 1: I have an anecdote from my past that will nicely

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Speaker 1: segue into what we should tell what we should talk

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Speaker 1: about today. I like these because they always I don't

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Speaker 1: know about these beforehand, I really don't, so they're always interesting.

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Speaker 1: This one's not, you know, by comparison, it's not that good,

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Speaker 1: So don't get your hopes. Okay, but um, you know,

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Speaker 1: when I was a slightly younger man in my early teens,

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Speaker 1: I had a friend, um named Jeremy, whose dad was

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Speaker 1: a firefighter, and here was this tough guy, but he, um,

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Speaker 1: he also was fairly cultivated, you know, cultured um and uh,

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Speaker 1: he and his friends, some of them firefighter buddies, used

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Speaker 1: to go out at night and engage in what they

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Speaker 1: called clumping all right now, and I've never heard of

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Speaker 1: it before or since. I think they made it up actually, um,

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Speaker 1: but clumping involved going into somebody's yard and stealing plants

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Speaker 1: that you liked and then taking them back to your

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Speaker 1: yard and planning them there. Um a firefighter to do

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Speaker 1: anything exactly. Yeah, well, you know, if he's saving lives,

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Speaker 1: I think he can kind of get something of a past.

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Speaker 1: But it always struck me as a little um wrong.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it is stealing quite clearly, um. But but at

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Speaker 1: the same time, it's like it's even more than stealing,

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Speaker 1: you know. It's it's not like stealing somebody's cell phone.

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Speaker 1: You don't have anything really attached that except you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe your your your phone book in it. This is,

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Speaker 1: you know, somebody is cultivating a garden. Somebody's taking the

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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden there's huge holes filled with

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Speaker 1: stealing their time. You're stealing their or their money that

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Speaker 1: they put into the planting. Sure now comes to the segue.

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Speaker 1: You want to know what the opposite of that is.

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Speaker 1: I have a good feeling guerrilla gardening. That's precisely right.

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Speaker 1: And and chuck, Now, I know there has been um

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Speaker 1: some discrepancy in the very recent past. We're talking uh

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Speaker 1: the guerrilla as in like guerrilla warfare, right right, not

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Speaker 1: the apes gardening girllas. Aren't apes, are they? I can

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Speaker 1: never remember. I don't know, I know the primates. Let's

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Speaker 1: go with that, okay. Um, so yeah, we're talking guerrilla gardening.

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Speaker 1: And it is pretty much what it sounds like. It's

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Speaker 1: you know, making stealth maneuvers into uh usually untended areas

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Speaker 1: or neglected or overgrown vacant lots, that that kind of thing,

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Speaker 1: and you know, tilling the soil, weed it and planning

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Speaker 1: new stuff. Yeah. I think this is really really cool.

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Speaker 1: I do too, because it's subversive, which you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm very hit to, like you know, the smart mobs thing, right. Um,

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Speaker 1: but it doesn't harm anyone, doesn't harm anyone, know, as

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, that makes the the world or

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Speaker 1: the city or wherever you live. And you're doing this

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Speaker 1: a much better place, although some people still try and

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Speaker 1: because I got a great line for that. Yeah. So, um,

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Speaker 1: on guerilla gardening. Yeah, sure. Originally I believe it started

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Speaker 1: Diggers and they were basically the first guerilla gardeners. They

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Speaker 1: they were planting crops. Actually they were planning vegetables. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: go by. But she was the one who originated seed bombs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: didn't work. I mean it worked. I think the water

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Speaker 1: bacons up a lot. You know. Have you been to

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Speaker 1: and then the seeds are spread and there's this compost

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Speaker 1: that that feeds it. Right, Ideally, I think the seed

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Speaker 1: you know, guerrilla gardening, guerrilla gardening, spreading beauty. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: While we're on Richard, he's he was the founder of

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