Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast is fresh out of sunny drops.
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Speaker 2: From the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Around the NFL.
Speaker 2: I am Dan Hansis. I have heroes here, Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 2: Mark Sessler. It is the flagship show, Sunday Night Edition.
Speaker 1: Week four and an interesting week.
Speaker 3: It was, gentlemen, it's Woodshed Week in the NFL. I remember,
Speaker 3: like we used to try to come up with themes
Speaker 3: or NFL Primetime would do that. It's like it's comeback week.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, this got jacked up. And I'm just looking
Speaker 3: at the scores here and it was a lot of
Speaker 3: teams taken to the woodshed.
Speaker 1: Oh wood shot of I like that wood shed.
Speaker 4: I've been scanning like the like the last couple of minutes,
Speaker 4: like the last three weeks prior, and there have been
Speaker 4: a surplus of blowouts.
Speaker 1: What about the boat race regalia?
Speaker 5: I like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe we were due for a correction because all
Speaker 3: last season, all we have heard how it was the
Speaker 3: closest margin of error in NFL history, the most close
Speaker 3: games in NFL history, and the NFL is really pumping
Speaker 3: that up. I was thinking, like, isn't that just kind
Speaker 3: of a little random.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 7: It seemed it seemed like every just saying.
Speaker 4: But even this week, you games that like end up
Speaker 4: like you think they're over and it's like, no, they're not.
Speaker 4: But they you know, we're destined to go a fifth
Speaker 4: quarter on two or three of these every week.
Speaker 1: This guy gets it.
Speaker 2: I would Mark, I would like to get going with
Speaker 2: the show because we've got a bunch of games to
Speaker 2: get to. But Mark, but Greg had woodshed week, I
Speaker 2: had the boat race for Galia.
Speaker 4: H.
Speaker 7: Bomb drops Sunday Part four?
Speaker 2: Okay, very Mark answer, Bomb Drop Sunday Part four. By
Speaker 2: the way, we might have to drop a bomb behind
Speaker 2: the glass? Can we bring in Eric real quick? You
Speaker 2: know we love Roberts's Robert. He does unbelievable work behind
Speaker 2: the glass. I try, but I did it. There were
Speaker 2: some snitches out there on Twitter that over the past
Speaker 2: week that let me know that there were no bongos
Speaker 2: in week three.
Speaker 1: Ooh, no bongos.
Speaker 3: You said you want to get to the show, and
Speaker 3: you dropped this bomb right away.
Speaker 1: Well this is important.
Speaker 8: I don't know how much of a curtain we want
Speaker 8: to pull back, but we had to do a little
Speaker 8: reset last week and it was intended for the Dolphins
Speaker 8: the game. It was the first highlight of the show.
Speaker 8: I was thrown off. I will take the al on
Speaker 8: that one. You know what, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Not necessary, it's just important. If this show doesn't have bongos,
Speaker 2: it has no need to exist.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 2: So this makes this is one of the most important
Speaker 2: bongo shows in the history of the Sunday flagship show.
Speaker 1: Who gets double bongos? Essential? You get credited for two bongos?
Speaker 7: You gotta get it right.
Speaker 2: It's like skins competition and golf. All right, Let's get
Speaker 2: to the action. Let's start with the game that everyone
Speaker 2: had circled. The game with the supposedly unstoppable Dolphins offense
Speaker 2: heading to Orchard Park to take on Oh.
Speaker 1: Eric Roberts's Buffalo Bills. Would the Bills be ready to play? Oh? Yes,
Speaker 1: they were. First player to fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: Three receivers left Cook in the backfield to the right
Speaker 2: of Allen.
Speaker 4: The shotgun handoff fakes to Cook keeper by Allen, and.
Speaker 1: He's gonna sail into the end.
Speaker 5: Zone an eleven.
Speaker 9: Yard touchdown run on the quarterback keeper.
Speaker 7: Oh the Bill's running away. Now up twenty seven with
Speaker 7: an extra point pending.
Speaker 2: My own you know that was with fourteen minutes to
Speaker 2: play in the fourth quarter. Humble pie for the Dolphins,
Speaker 2: served up by Josh Allen, who threw four touchdown passes
Speaker 2: and ran for a score, and the Bills handed Miami
Speaker 2: it's first lost, a forty eight to twenty win in
Speaker 2: front of a delirious sold out crowd there in Western
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 1: Gregy.
Speaker 2: This was the first overall pick in our draft on
Speaker 2: Thursday for a reason. It's the game everybody wanted to see.
Speaker 2: How come it turned into one sided blowout.
Speaker 3: Sometimes blowouts are entertaining, and a team like the Bills
Speaker 3: put on a show and you can have your seventy
Speaker 3: point offense and you can have all the fastest players
Speaker 3: in the league according to net extend stats, but there's
Speaker 3: only one Josh Allen.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 3: It's one of the all time Josh Allen games. M
Speaker 3: I just thought the way he started this game. On
Speaker 3: the very first drive, there was a play where Vic
Speaker 3: Fangio calls a blitz and it was a perfectly time
Speaker 3: blitz free rusher off the edge, and Alan just backpedals,
Speaker 3: back pedals, back pedals, as if it's not even there
Speaker 3: and he hits an opposite hash throw to Stefan Diggs
Speaker 3: for the first down seventeen yards Like it was nothing.
Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, that's an amazing play. Has a
Speaker 3: dart for a touchdown. Later, fast forward a couple drives,
Speaker 3: They've already scored two touchdowns their first two drives.
Speaker 5: His ability to scramble and.
Speaker 3: Just continue to buy time by time by time in
Speaker 3: the pocket before finding Digs for Diggs's first touchdown. Diggs
Speaker 3: ends up going six for one twenty and three.
Speaker 1: To me, was just like money performance.
Speaker 3: It was just like Josh Allen in a nutshell. He
Speaker 3: can beat you in structure, he can beat you out
Speaker 3: of structure. He had four passing touchdowns, only four incompletions.
Speaker 3: Everything it was great about Josh Allen's performance, even that
Speaker 3: rushing touchdown, just like the decision making and the way
Speaker 3: that he made this Dolphins defense, which has been disappointing
Speaker 3: in general. I would say through three weeks, almost embarrassed
Speaker 3: forty eight points. As you heard through about three quarters
Speaker 3: in a minute.
Speaker 4: It's kind of crazy where we were like a fortnight
Speaker 4: ago or you know, two weeks ago with Josh Allen.
Speaker 4: A lot of the talk was where is Josh Allen
Speaker 4: that we knew, Like he's up and down. You're gonna
Speaker 4: get the good version, the bad version. That Jets game
Speaker 4: soiled everyone's impression of him. He has been absolutely pristine
Speaker 4: for three weeks in a row. But I am justice
Speaker 4: impressed with their defense because you know, I also feel
Speaker 4: this brushback against the Dolphins now, where like last week
Speaker 4: is like this aberration, like they're still there's still like
Speaker 4: a centerpiece in the AFC. To me, they've had they've
Speaker 4: lost three straight to the Bills. They've had their problems,
Speaker 4: but you take away a chance fifty five yard run.
Speaker 4: They were completely bottled up on the ground for the
Speaker 4: most part. And I'm really concerned at times about the
Speaker 4: back end of their defense and what to them today.
Speaker 4: And I think there's this thing with two where it's
Speaker 4: like I don't always want to question too it because
Speaker 4: he's been awesome, but it's kind of like this was
Speaker 4: a game where he seemed a little less comfortable about
Speaker 4: like getting the ball out immediately to his first read,
Speaker 4: and like if you cause some problems there, like I
Speaker 4: don't know this thing. This operation did not work. As
Speaker 4: if someone told me the score might be reversed Like
Speaker 4: a couple of days ago, I'd been like, the Dolphins
Speaker 4: will be the absolute talk of Pro football, and instead
Speaker 4: it's a massive comeback down to earth game.
Speaker 2: And I think that's why it's okay to take some
Speaker 2: air out of the balloon here, because as impressive as
Speaker 2: destroying a bad Denver team is and a middling Patriots
Speaker 2: team and they nice win against the Chargers in Week
Speaker 2: one on.
Speaker 1: The road, here's like a real test.
Speaker 2: This is the one where it's like, okay, and it
Speaker 2: doesn't mean they can't get off the mat, but you
Speaker 2: want to see the Dolphins go up to Buffalo and really,
Speaker 2: if not win, I put up a fight, and Greg,
Speaker 2: I you know, this is a game I'm looking forward
Speaker 2: to watching in full. But the defense, it has been
Speaker 2: covered over obviously because the offense has been so great.
Speaker 2: Big Fangio defenses are known to take time to come together.
Speaker 2: So just a reminder, like when the offense isn't clicking
Speaker 2: and it hasn't been full clicking for two games here
Speaker 2: at A four and the other two have been out
Speaker 2: of this world, that the defense is gonna have to
Speaker 2: make strides or they're gonna have these bumps in the
Speaker 2: road along the way right.
Speaker 3: I mean, the Bills scored a touchdown on virtually every
Speaker 3: possession until until the start until like their their eighth
Speaker 3: drive or ninth drive in the middle of the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: But the Bills defense made more plays. I thought Two
Speaker 3: have played a strong game overall. But they did some
Speaker 3: things to disrupt the timing, as you mentioned, to send
Speaker 3: aggressively rushers after to A and sort of not worry
Speaker 3: so much. Very different than the Patriots, who I think
Speaker 3: the Patriots were in total prevent mode. Let's just not
Speaker 3: let them score seventy on us. The Bills came after them,
Speaker 3: and it works sometimes and it didn't work others. And
Speaker 3: I think two actually played pretty well. But Terrell Bernard's
Speaker 3: making plays week after week.
Speaker 7: Oh, he was a great less.
Speaker 3: He prevented to A going to his first read on
Speaker 3: one play that ended up being I believe that was
Speaker 3: his interception or maybe it was a fumble. Greg Russeau,
Speaker 3: day Kwon Jones, Leonard Floyd, Sean Mcdermot's different than Leslie Frazier.
Speaker 3: He is coming after defenses. They've been very aggressive and
Speaker 3: it was impressive today. They're better up front on both
Speaker 3: sides of the ball. I think this year than they've
Speaker 3: ever been, which is scary. Under McDermott. Their offensive line
Speaker 3: also playing well. I know the rushing yards don't standout,
Speaker 3: but in short yarded situations they're now just handing the
Speaker 3: ball off er in the red zone and they're getting
Speaker 3: touchdowns or they're getting first downs with their running back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: With Alan playing at this level last three weeks and
Speaker 2: you could argue he's playing better than any quarterback in
Speaker 2: the league. After that ugly Week one against the Jets,
Speaker 2: the Bills start to look terrifying. Mike McDaniel, Dolphins coach,
Speaker 2: you never can get him in the show.
Speaker 1: We will.
Speaker 2: Oh, you have just fun to hear him talk. He's
Speaker 2: just one of those dudes. He was handing out flowers
Speaker 2: to the opponent after the loss.
Speaker 10: First off, I think the Buffalo Bills proved why they
Speaker 10: are are the the team that you know that our
Speaker 10: whole division is trying to beat. They've you know, wanted
Speaker 10: for how many years in a row?
Speaker 2: Now, I mean he's not wrong many. I think it's
Speaker 2: been three maybe four years in a row. Not all
Speaker 2: good news, guys. Before we move on, Tredavious White very
Speaker 2: important piece of that secondary for Buffalo kind of a heart,
Speaker 2: heart and soul piece of the defense suffers what appears
Speaker 2: to be a serious Achilles injury. Let's hear from Sean McDermott,
Speaker 2: who did not paint an optimistic picture.
Speaker 11: They're obviously still evaluating. Yeah, I mean, he's been through
Speaker 11: a lot, and sometimes you wonder, right, why things like
Speaker 11: that happen twice? You know, you know to someone, I'm
Speaker 11: not saying what.
Speaker 5: It is, what it is.
Speaker 11: I'm just saying, like, you know, you just you just
Speaker 11: wonder why, because you watch him how hard he's worked
Speaker 11: to give back.
Speaker 3: It was really disappointing. He was he was so frustrated, distraught,
Speaker 3: slammed his helmet through his helmet immediately pounded his fist
Speaker 3: against the ground.
Speaker 5: You kind of knew.
Speaker 3: And as great as this performance was by the Bills,
Speaker 3: I still left the game thing and the most important
Speaker 3: part of the game was they lost Tredevious White. Looks
Speaker 3: like it's going to be Achilles for the season. In Toronto, Armstead,
Speaker 3: the left tackle for the Dolphins, could barely walk off
Speaker 3: the field and left with a knee injury. Those are
Speaker 3: two of the lynchpins of both of those two teams,
Speaker 3: and I don't think it was a coincidence that Miami's
Speaker 3: offense kind of started falling apart the minute Armstead left.
Speaker 4: So both those injuries that happened last year when Armstead
Speaker 4: was not in there like their splits the way they
Speaker 4: looked completely different.
Speaker 2: One other note, Tamar Hamlin was active in this game
Speaker 2: after his near death experience on the field last year's
Speaker 2: first time being active for the Bills. He played mostly
Speaker 2: special teams with Jordan Poyer out of the lineup.
Speaker 1: That is a cool thing.
Speaker 2: So all around, other than the Trenavius White injury, great
Speaker 2: stuff for Buffalo. Now three and one, tied with the
Speaker 2: Dolphins atop the AFC East. Let us keep moving, a gentleman,
Speaker 2: let us head to Indy. I call this the Frisky Bowl.
Speaker 2: Rams cults two of the most fun teams to watch
Speaker 2: so far this year. And nobody was talking about these
Speaker 2: teams in that way on September first, And that's why
Speaker 2: football's fun.
Speaker 1: Let's get to it.
Speaker 7: Stafford ready calls for the snap.
Speaker 1: Here comes the rush.
Speaker 7: He throws white side alone, hits Pookah.
Speaker 12: At the five, a walk off winter Pooka nakula in
Speaker 12: over time, Nakuah Matanda.
Speaker 1: It means no worries for the rest of today. It's
Speaker 1: a problem.
Speaker 7: Free Rams victory. Whoa ja going the distance with that?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there we go. Everybody's on fire, including Roberts
Speaker 1: behind the glass.
Speaker 2: I love this is this JB. Long going into his
Speaker 2: John Sterling area. He's just gonna cats phrases for everybody else.
Speaker 1: Sounds like it.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable finish for the La Rams. I find these types
Speaker 2: of wins to be the best types. When you have
Speaker 2: the game in hand, you let it all slip away,
Speaker 2: and then you recover and somehow find a way. And
Speaker 2: that's what Matthew Stafford and the Rams did in a
Speaker 2: overtime victory over the Colts on the road, final score
Speaker 2: twenty nine to twenty three. When Stafford connected to Puka Nakua,
Speaker 2: it's a star in overtime coverage bus.
Speaker 1: There tough, tough beat for the Colts d in that spot.
Speaker 2: This is a game that the Rams were up twenty
Speaker 2: three zip I believe in the third quarter. And then
Speaker 2: what made this such a fun game, boys, is you
Speaker 2: saw everything that's kind of excited about this Rams team,
Speaker 2: how functional the offense is, how good, straight up good
Speaker 2: this offense is. When Matthew Stafford is healthy and protected,
Speaker 2: and Sean mcvay's calling the place like and and it's
Speaker 2: just like everything kind of works and and then you
Speaker 2: saw what happens. Why people are excited about this Colts
Speaker 2: team because Anthony Richardson then took over and led the
Speaker 2: team on three scoring drives to tie the game up
Speaker 2: late in regulation, and uh.
Speaker 5: We keptitting the two as well.
Speaker 2: It was just so impressive. He is such a great playmaker.
Speaker 2: Richardson already one of the best playmakers in the league.
Speaker 2: And mark the Matthew Stafford, who I think we all
Speaker 2: like him a lot and and respect him, and he's
Speaker 2: kind of had a great career. Got the ring and
Speaker 2: now this is kind of the epilogue and what's been
Speaker 2: a long run. He bangs up his hip late in
Speaker 2: this game. He could barely move and yet he leads
Speaker 2: that team in overtime, culminated with the Nakua touchdown pass.
Speaker 2: What a huge win for the Rams on the road.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the hip injury concerning obviously, he's had hip issues
Speaker 4: in years past. He's of the age where you know,
Speaker 4: we saw what happened to him last year. The body
Speaker 4: started to deconstruct if the season went along, and it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, I spent this whole offseason suspicious of why
Speaker 4: the Rams had this immensely young offense with Matthew Stafford
Speaker 4: sitting in there, like it felt a little disjointed, but
Speaker 4: not now. It's like that I have to give Sean
Speaker 4: McVay like and less neat in the whole situation, like
Speaker 4: a lot of credit because a guy like Puka Nakua,
Speaker 4: who sounded like some name you'd make up, like a
Speaker 4: couple months ago to non college fans, thirty nine catches
Speaker 4: the best start by any rookie in NFL history. They
Speaker 4: seemed like when Cooper Cup was lost that the whole
Speaker 4: operation was gonna sink, and you might have a Rams
Speaker 4: team that wins three games. And I pointed to another
Speaker 4: team in Pittsburgh saying, look at how they're putting an
Speaker 4: offense together that are all young together and growing and
Speaker 4: they're a lost shit. But it's the Rams all along,
Speaker 4: Like had these young guys who are the opposite of
Speaker 4: household names a month ago, and they're really fun to watch.
Speaker 7: And it's like this kind of to your point, Dan, like.
Speaker 4: To get into a hole where you've kind of given
Speaker 4: up your lead, and it could break certain teams and
Speaker 4: certain other coach teams that aren't coached to this degree
Speaker 4: and without a Matthew Stafford under center.
Speaker 7: Like they didn't.
Speaker 4: I mean, they almost lost it, but it's like, I'm
Speaker 4: so impressed they didn't get stuck in that hole.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that, because Mark I was texting
Speaker 2: with Jordan Rodrigue, our friend at the Athletic who comes
Speaker 2: the Rams. I texted her when they were up twenty
Speaker 2: three zip and then or she texted me and reminded
Speaker 2: me of something we had some fun with over the summer,
Speaker 2: the T shirt that Sean McVay had printed up and
Speaker 2: it's set on the back. And yes, it was wordy
Speaker 2: and some of the syntax was a little shaky. Capitalization
Speaker 2: was weird. Yeah, some of that there was an Amber
Speaker 2: sand involved and in grammatical problems.
Speaker 1: But the most important thing was the message mentally and
Speaker 1: physically tough players who are smart and love to compete.
Speaker 1: Watch that game. There's the T shirt.
Speaker 2: If you're watching this on YouTube, watch that game and
Speaker 2: tell me that does not describe Gregy, the Rams team
Speaker 2: that we watched here in it.
Speaker 3: You don't want to overrate a week four win, they
Speaker 3: got the Eagles coming in next week. But to me,
Speaker 3: when the Colts got the ball back and the Rams
Speaker 3: had given up a twenty three to nothing lead, and
Speaker 3: the Rams had also just given the ball back with
Speaker 3: under two minutes to go, had chosen not to go
Speaker 3: for it on fourth down or anything, and Anthony Richardson
Speaker 3: gets the ball back, I'm thinking, like, this Rams season
Speaker 3: is on the brink a little bit right here. If
Speaker 3: they give up a twenty three point lead and they
Speaker 3: got the Eagles coming in next week, And there's already
Speaker 3: talking Los Angeles among reporters that you believe like Jordan
Speaker 3: that like, okay, if they get to the trade deadline
Speaker 3: and the you know, they'll have decisions to make if
Speaker 3: their record sideways. And there's a nice throw by Richardson
Speaker 3: on third down that Quinton Lake, you know, breaks up
Speaker 3: and it looked like he had gotten beat on the play.
Speaker 3: He fights back to it. They get into overtime, they
Speaker 3: have that terrific offensive drive and they can survive and
Speaker 3: get through this quarter two and two, and even if
Speaker 3: they lose to the Eagles, they'll have a chance to
Speaker 3: win some games after. And it's like that's how you
Speaker 3: stack a season up is like surviving moments like that
Speaker 3: and getting to a point where they won't be sellers
Speaker 3: at the trade though.
Speaker 4: Can I ask your question, Den's like, I watched as
Speaker 4: much as I could of this, especially just when it
Speaker 4: started to turn into what it was, and Anthony Richardson
Speaker 4: on a weekly basis, there's these moments where he's like,
Speaker 4: this is the best athlete on the field, like he's
Speaker 4: marvelous and on the ground he's so dangerous, and yet
Speaker 4: there aren't other quarterbacks in the league going eleven for
Speaker 4: twenty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this was a game where the box score,
Speaker 2: at least the completion percentage doesn't match the level of play,
Speaker 2: because even at one point it was something it was
Speaker 2: way worse.
Speaker 1: It was like five for fourteen or five for fifty.
Speaker 7: He's produced these things like this before.
Speaker 2: You know, it didn't feel like to me like he
Speaker 2: was playing poorly. It was just everything was really out
Speaker 2: of sync for the Colts for the better part of
Speaker 2: two and a half quarters.
Speaker 1: But when he turned it.
Speaker 2: On, I just the highest compliment I could pay the
Speaker 2: guys when they were down eight late in the fourth
Speaker 2: quarter and they had already kind of made inroads and
Speaker 2: scored twice already. It just felt like there was no
Speaker 2: way this guy wasn't going to do it, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, there's not many guys that are like that,
Speaker 2: and like Richardson with his ability to do it all
Speaker 2: is really I know, with all due respect to CJ. Shroud,
Speaker 2: who's off to an amazing start himself. Like, when this
Speaker 2: season is over, if Richardson stays healthy, he's gonna win
Speaker 2: Offensive Rookie of the Year because this is gonna be
Speaker 2: an every week thing where he is making plays and
Speaker 2: he's going to electrify the buildings.
Speaker 5: Take Texas fans won't like that, and I.
Speaker 2: Said respect to Stroud, but I think Richardson is box
Speaker 2: office on a level that that's why Ers wanted him.
Speaker 2: And like, just like we were putting down the Rams
Speaker 2: as a team not to take seriously in the summer,
Speaker 2: the Colts kind of from Afar looked a bit of
Speaker 2: like a clown show the way it was run last
Speaker 2: year and all the drama around Jonathan Taylor and man, no,
Speaker 2: they lost this game, but I think both of these
Speaker 2: teams they might not be in the super Bowl, but
Speaker 2: I think they're going to be hanging around. They remained
Speaker 2: bolt to me very frisky. Now with a caveat as
Speaker 2: let's here for Matt Stafford. I hope this guy's hips okay,
Speaker 2: because we do not want to see a limp in
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford. Let's listen to what he had to say
Speaker 2: about his injury and how it affected him. It sounded
Speaker 2: a little worrisome.
Speaker 13: The hardest part was just it was kind of just
Speaker 13: shutting down the leg a little bit right where you
Speaker 13: feel like you can step and you push and normal
Speaker 13: leg and then step and push and not normally. Just
Speaker 13: the muscles were kind of shutting down, but just kept going. No,
Speaker 13: it was just going to be one of those things
Speaker 13: that was, you know, pain slash function. As long as
Speaker 13: I could keep it warm on the sideline and keep
Speaker 13: the function going, I was going to try to stay
Speaker 13: in there.
Speaker 4: So bird's eye view not the first thing I'd want
Speaker 4: to hear from my quarterback.
Speaker 5: He does say he'll be out there next week.
Speaker 1: That's good in what in what capacity? To heat Chelsea? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it does.
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson got out of this game one piece, which
Speaker 2: is also a first in his NFL career. All right,
Speaker 2: let's now move to yes. With all due respect CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud is off to.
Speaker 3: I mean, Stroud is the rookie of the year right now,
Speaker 3: just say and it's not I'm projecting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's fair.
Speaker 7: I think that would be.
Speaker 4: I would go sandwiches with you if Stroud continue to
Speaker 4: do what heat that's fair done.
Speaker 3: And for Richardson like completion percent, that's nice, but yards
Speaker 3: pretentp matters a lot more. And he had about yeah,
Speaker 3: eight yards per attempt and six or seven big time
Speaker 3: plays in there, so you'll take that trade.
Speaker 1: He's fun, he's exciting, he's special, interesting, Okay. Now, c J.
Speaker 2: Stroud also you could explain him in that manner. And
Speaker 2: here's what happened in Houston today.
Speaker 7: Third and seven from the Texans forty eight. Stroud shotgun
Speaker 7: motor in the backfield with him.
Speaker 1: CJ gets to snap, CJ throwing downfield.
Speaker 5: And pop by Nico twenty five twenty Blake.
Speaker 12: Tib tackle fifteen ten five rock and roll touchdown kuston.
Speaker 1: C J.
Speaker 12: Stroud with more third down magic to the end zone.
Speaker 2: Mark Vandermier with a call Texans Radio. I always forget
Speaker 2: that he does the rock and roll thing. There's something
Speaker 2: like a wholesome uncle vibe about that from Vandermier.
Speaker 4: Now they haven't rock and rolled in a while, and
Speaker 4: that's it's you know, it's bringing it back.
Speaker 1: Rookie CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud had another big time showing on Sunday.
Speaker 1: He threw for over three hundred yards two.
Speaker 2: Touchdowns and the and the Texans welcome to the boat
Speaker 2: race for Galia where you get the bomb drops in
Speaker 2: the woodshed thirty to six over the Steelers. Now we
Speaker 2: welcome in a man that he drops bombs on every
Speaker 2: local Jimmy steps into just with what he's putting up.
Speaker 2: And he doesn't and he doesn't just work on the
Speaker 2: beach muscles because he's a Midwest grinder.
Speaker 1: Nick, how are you?
Speaker 14: I'm fantastic, guys. I don't know if I dropping bombs
Speaker 14: sounds destructive?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are destructive in the gym. It must discuss
Speaker 2: to you, Nick before. I don't want to get off here.
Speaker 2: But when you see those guys a little twig legs
Speaker 2: in the big biceps and they got they got the
Speaker 2: beach muscles, but they're not strong men like you.
Speaker 1: You're repulsed by that, aren't you.
Speaker 14: They're not doing compound movements, they're skipping leg day. It's
Speaker 14: all about the glamour muscles. Yeah, yeah, disgusted, absolutely revolted.
Speaker 4: How do you feel about the three of us when
Speaker 4: you take a look at how we're appearing here in
Speaker 4: the middle of in the early October.
Speaker 1: No comment, You all look great? Okay, well it's been
Speaker 1: on the show. Yeah, shookey Stroud again, what are you seeing?
Speaker 14: I mean, he looks fantastic. He looks so Going into
Speaker 14: this draft, with this draft class, I was kind of
Speaker 14: confused by the consensus that surrounded Bryce Young because everyone
Speaker 14: thought he's the far and away number one answer here,
Speaker 14: he's got everything, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 14: But what I saw in CJ. Stroud is somebody who
Speaker 14: gave you the best chance to win if you played
Speaker 14: them right away. What you're going to do with most
Speaker 14: of those guys that you draft there because of his
Speaker 14: accuracy x accuracy has been fantastic the last two games.
Speaker 14: That touchdown passed and then highlight that you just rolled.
Speaker 14: I mean he threw that in the perfect spot not
Speaker 14: only for Nico Collins to make the catch, but to
Speaker 14: catch and run down the sideline for a touchdown. He's
Speaker 14: done that a number of times in his last couple
Speaker 14: of games. Even in this first game he did that
Speaker 14: a few times. He's very settled in and a huge
Speaker 14: tip of the cap to offensive coordinator Bobby Slok, who
Speaker 14: is doing everything right with CJ.
Speaker 1: Stroud.
Speaker 14: He's taking advantage of all of his strengths. He's scheming
Speaker 14: the offense around them. They got a lot of young
Speaker 14: talent over there that's all kind of making some plays there.
Speaker 14: And he looks very comfortable and I think that's the
Speaker 14: most important part. He is not sped up by the game.
Speaker 14: He's playing really good football right now.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: Slowik is one of the more interesting stories because he's
Speaker 4: got a PFF background and he was under Shanahan for
Speaker 4: a bit in San Francisco. Hasn't like called plays like
Speaker 4: this before, which you hear the narrative about it takes
Speaker 4: a couple of years to you even figure out situationally
Speaker 4: what you're doing. But he's done so much with these
Speaker 4: young players, and I think like his fingerprints are all
Speaker 4: over Stroud.
Speaker 14: Yeah, you're right. The background is the whole Shanahan tree,
Speaker 14: and that's what we're seeing first and foremost is a
Speaker 14: coach who knows how to adapt to the strengths of
Speaker 14: his player and to where they're just sliding right in
Speaker 14: and being very calm. Surprised even myself and I thought
Speaker 14: very highly of Stroud coming out of Ohio State, that
Speaker 14: he was going to be the guy that could go
Speaker 14: win you games the quickest in the NFL. Maybe not
Speaker 14: the highest seeling. I think the highest seeling belongs to
Speaker 14: Anthony Richardson, but he was gonna be a guy that
Speaker 14: can step in and win games. Even I'm surprised by
Speaker 14: his performance in the first month the season, where fifty
Speaker 14: percent if not more, of his games had been so
Speaker 14: encouraging that when Greg says, you know, he's the rookie
Speaker 14: of the year right now offensively, you have to agree that's.
Speaker 5: Not even close. Well, i'd be a pro bowler.
Speaker 3: It's four yeames in, but just at this point, I mean,
Speaker 3: they're boat racing the Jags. They're boat racing the Steelers.
Speaker 3: And the thing he's been best at, I think is
Speaker 3: dealing with pressure. He hasn't been sacked in the last
Speaker 3: two weeks, and Laramie Tunzel's out again today. Most of
Speaker 3: their offensive line is out there playing the Steelers and
Speaker 3: he's not making negative plays.
Speaker 5: It's so impressive.
Speaker 3: What was up with the Steelers defense here today, and
Speaker 3: what was up with Mike Tomlin Punton on fourth and
Speaker 3: two down twenty three to six in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: I mean, that is something that I know drives Steelers
Speaker 3: fans crazy. But Mike Tomlin is like an all time
Speaker 3: like I'm going to give up on the game and punch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a guy.
Speaker 5: It drives me crt.
Speaker 14: That's a that's a message to his guys. We came
Speaker 14: out flat, we got knocked in the mouth. We don't
Speaker 14: deserve to still compete in this game. You guys didn't
Speaker 14: give enough effort. We played like crap, and now we're
Speaker 14: going to pay for it. Let's get back on the bus,
Speaker 14: go to the plane and go back to Pitt.
Speaker 2: That's like one of those and I do it now
Speaker 2: with my own children, and it happened to me when
Speaker 2: I was a kid. Sometimes the parental punishment doesn't make
Speaker 2: any sense, and it's like this isn't really thought out,
Speaker 2: but the parent doesn't want to They don't want to
Speaker 2: give any ground on it at any level. Let's listen
Speaker 2: shooky to Tomlin, who obviously you know they come off
Speaker 2: two game winning streak here, but this this is now
Speaker 2: another grizzly performance by the offense especially, and he was
Speaker 2: hinting at could there be changes.
Speaker 6: Mike says, yes, changes regarding hell yeah, we got to
Speaker 6: make some changes, man. That was that was That was
Speaker 6: an ugly product we put out there today. And so
Speaker 6: we're not going to do the same things and and
Speaker 6: hope for a different outcome. What those changes are, man,
Speaker 6: we'll put together a plan. Uh, in preparation.
Speaker 2: The biggest change shook would be the quarterback position, and
Speaker 2: you have a Kenny Pickett who has not played well
Speaker 2: this year, but he goes out with a knee injury
Speaker 2: that we don't know the severity right now. Mitch Trubisky
Speaker 2: could be on the field for them, but there's a
Speaker 2: lot of mounting criticism around Matt Canada as well their
Speaker 2: play caller. How do you see that breakdown in terms
Speaker 2: of the struggles.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think that Pickett has not taken the step
Speaker 14: forward that you expect from him. The offensive line hasn't
Speaker 14: done him a lot of favors. Matt Canada has not
Speaker 14: done him a lot of favors with his play calling.
Speaker 14: The knee injury to me looked kind of bad. It's
Speaker 14: not encouraging. So you might not see him for a
Speaker 14: little bit. But more importantly than anything, it doesn't matter
Speaker 14: who you put back there in quarterback unless you've got
Speaker 14: God himself playing quarterback. It's going to be really hard
Speaker 14: to overcome some of the situations that Matt Canada puts
Speaker 14: them in. You know, last year and the year before
Speaker 14: it was their offensive line is not good enough for
Speaker 14: them to establish the ground game well.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 14: The play calling itself is just so disjointed that every
Speaker 14: time I look at a play with Kenny Pickett dropping
Speaker 14: back to pass, it feels like it's third and thirteen
Speaker 14: and he's got no shot because they don't hold up
Speaker 14: well enough for him to sit back there. He doesn't
Speaker 14: look comfortable, he's pretty skittish, and when he does throw passes,
Speaker 14: they're usually contested passes that he expects George Pickens to
Speaker 14: make superhero plays on. So I'm not confident in this
Speaker 14: offense at all, and it's really annoying because they have talent.
Speaker 14: It's just not working right now, and I think a
Speaker 14: lot of it has to do with the offense.
Speaker 4: I do think God would probably pull off like a
Speaker 4: higher passer rating than what we saw from Pickett today.
Speaker 4: But your two leading receivers are running backs, so neither
Speaker 4: one of them have more than thirty two yards. It's like,
Speaker 4: I guess I can't find a team. I'm more disappointed
Speaker 4: in after what I thought we'd be seeing in the
Speaker 4: growth and development I thought we'd be seeing in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: It's like, I don't know why Canada was retained. I
Speaker 4: think that was a surprise to begin with, But it's like,
Speaker 4: how much longer do you keep Matt Canada?
Speaker 14: Well, it depends on how you feel the potential of
Speaker 14: this team really is for this year, because I think
Speaker 14: if you can't replace an offensive cordinaor in the middle
Speaker 14: of season and see an instant turnaround, so I think
Speaker 14: you're kind of stuck to a degree with what you got.
Speaker 3: That's how Canada got the job, though he did take
Speaker 3: over in the middle of the season, and I think
Speaker 3: he had a decent little run if I remember, and
Speaker 3: then they ended up keeping the job. If God was
Speaker 3: the quarterback, though, you know he would keep Deonte Johnson healthy.
Speaker 3: Pratt Firemouth left in this game early with an injury,
Speaker 3: so things are things are kind of snowball that year.
Speaker 1: Why does God keep coming on?
Speaker 5: I don't know, he said he said God would not be.
Speaker 7: Able to go only God.
Speaker 1: The Theology Podcast. Yeah, Jesu Louis.
Speaker 14: Jogged over and just heals.
Speaker 3: Deonta Texans are a real thing. Now they're in the mix.
Speaker 3: They're in the playoff mix. The AFC South is kind
Speaker 3: of fun.
Speaker 1: Actually, it's a little bit frisky, shooky.
Speaker 2: Let's head to Philadelphia where we had a game that
Speaker 2: went right down to the end.
Speaker 15: It is a fifty four yard attempt.
Speaker 2: These kickers hold well, this kicker, yeah, but he's not a.
Speaker 5: Top five is there?
Speaker 1: You go there? Eagles win.
Speaker 16: The Eagles win, lights out Johnson with those fourth field
Speaker 16: goal of the.
Speaker 2: Time MM, Jake Elliott, Yeah, you get past the velvet
Speaker 2: ropes come on in. Buddy kicks four field goals, including
Speaker 2: the fifty four yarder piped it to lift the Eagles
Speaker 2: were to thirty four to thirty one win over the Commanders.
Speaker 1: They are four and zero for the second straight year.
Speaker 2: Elliott also kicked forty one, forty seven, and thirty six
Speaker 2: before the last one. The Eagles fans go nuts and
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts shooky and the passing game. This is progress
Speaker 2: on Sunday right in a game that was closer than
Speaker 2: maybe some people thought it would be.
Speaker 14: Yeah, typically Cap with the piped it reference to Jay Feely,
Speaker 14: which is also a double reference at this point in
Speaker 14: this show. So we've got multiple layers going on. But
Speaker 14: Jalen hurts Man fantastic. First time that we really saw
Speaker 14: this passing offense completely open up.
Speaker 1: This season.
Speaker 14: It's been a bit of a struggle. They've had to
Speaker 14: rely on the ground game, but they did not have to,
Speaker 14: you know, lean too much on DeAndre Swift in this game.
Speaker 14: But it was It was a really fun battle. I
Speaker 14: think on both sides. You know, it told me a
Speaker 14: lot about Washington, but I was excited to see the
Speaker 14: Eagles blow it and then bounce back and find a
Speaker 14: way to win it with a long field goal. They
Speaker 14: still have some minor issues, but they're a fun watches.
Speaker 14: Escially when Hur's thrown around like this.
Speaker 3: Give me some Sam Howell recap here, because the seat
Speaker 3: to see Howell survive in an offensive shootout, you expect
Speaker 3: more out of the Commander's defense. So, you know, credit
Speaker 3: to the Eagles offense for putting it on them today,
Speaker 3: but you don't expect the Commander's offense to kind of
Speaker 3: be going toe for toe and give them that lead
Speaker 3: early in this game.
Speaker 14: Yeah, they had a ten point lead early on. I'm thinking, man,
Speaker 14: they goett to run away with this? Is this going
Speaker 14: to be one of those games where Sam Houses forget
Speaker 14: about last week, for get my four ugly interceptions against Buffalo.
Speaker 14: They don't matter because I'm winning the game of the
Speaker 14: division this week and I'm doing it my way. They
Speaker 14: did blow that lead, but what they did even better
Speaker 14: was come back. I mean, down to the final play
Speaker 14: of regulation, there's one second adjusted to two seconds left
Speaker 14: in the clock.
Speaker 7: He sits back there, cool.
Speaker 14: As a cucumber, delivers a strike to the right side,
Speaker 14: game tying touchdown on a drive that for a little bit.
Speaker 14: You know, when they got in the Eagles territory inside,
Speaker 14: like the forty, looked like they were just gonna flat
Speaker 14: out run out of time. I mean even the broadcast
Speaker 14: it's like they're taking too long.
Speaker 1: They got to go.
Speaker 14: They got two plays out of the final ten seconds,
Speaker 14: maybe three plays, yeah, three, and we're able to score
Speaker 14: on the last one. Kid comes up in the clutch.
Speaker 14: You know, he's gonna have some issues, some warts early
Speaker 14: on in his career, but he's a gamer. He's a gamer.
Speaker 14: With some ability, and he's really really fun to watch,
Speaker 14: even though they lost this game.
Speaker 4: I think he's had been sacked twenty four times, and
Speaker 4: I mean, I know a lot of that is on him.
Speaker 4: It's the line, it's the whole thing that has to
Speaker 4: be corrected at some point. I was so glad to
Speaker 4: see the Eagles pull this out, though, because like AJ
Speaker 4: Brown nine catches for one hundred and seventy five yard
Speaker 4: and two touchdowns, and it's like, you're right, this just
Speaker 4: shows you the power and the versatility of this offense.
Speaker 4: But he had at the penalty, the taunting penalty after
Speaker 4: that score, and it's like, I don't think if that happens,
Speaker 4: and you can argue whether that was deserved or not.
Speaker 4: If that penalty does not happen, like Washington probably runs
Speaker 4: out of time and doesn't get close enough to do
Speaker 4: what they needed to do at the end there, And
Speaker 4: it's like he would have played quietly this goat role
Speaker 4: when he's like an absolutely epic hero in this contest.
Speaker 14: Yeah, but you know what, I gave him a pass
Speaker 14: for that because the taunting was so brief, happened live
Speaker 14: in the thoughts.
Speaker 7: I don't think it was a shaky call go for two.
Speaker 14: And looked at him a little bit closely as he
Speaker 14: was running.
Speaker 5: Yes, I don't like that, go for two, Go for two? Ron.
Speaker 3: You know what all of Lincoln Financial Field was sweating
Speaker 3: yes about and hoping that you didn't do Ron rivera
Speaker 3: go for.
Speaker 1: T where's the river boat?
Speaker 7: Where it is retired?
Speaker 1: Is get back on? Well?
Speaker 2: Maybe because of the boat race for Galia was booked
Speaker 2: up the waterway. It's gonna get out there, all right, Shooky,
Speaker 2: We're gonna let you off the hook.
Speaker 1: Here. You can get on the boat so you don't
Speaker 1: have to talk about the Browns. Yikes. Thank you sir
Speaker 1: as always, and we'll see you next Sunday.
Speaker 14: I was so merciful, guys.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Yeah later, All right, let's take a break and then
Speaker 2: we will move on. All right, welcome back. It is
Speaker 2: time now for the Sunday Drive, presented by the first
Speaker 2: ever Toyota Grand Highlander. Let's head to Big d where
Speaker 2: cowboys were big Mad.
Speaker 1: After an ugly week three showing.
Speaker 17: Second and ten, Jones is back plenty of times, rolls right,
Speaker 17: bottled up, throws back to that intercept down plea house,
Speaker 17: Hello House, House, it's made.
Speaker 2: Duran, Hello, house, that's our guy for Doran Blan.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's our dude.
Speaker 2: Damn God, Brad Sham the sham god with the call,
Speaker 2: Duran Blan returned one of his two picks to the
Speaker 2: house untouched. Leyton vander ash also scooped up a fumble
Speaker 2: on a mac Jones uh sack ran it back for
Speaker 2: a score in the Cowboys hammer the Patriots thirty eight
Speaker 2: to three.
Speaker 1: Interesting, boys, U, Greg mac Jones doesn't finish this game.
Speaker 2: Uh, And there's going to be a ground swell of
Speaker 2: people saying he's the reason why they got destroyed in
Speaker 2: this game.
Speaker 1: One of them is that is that fair?
Speaker 2: Do you do you think the cow the Patriots are
Speaker 2: heading towards something here with their one time first round pick.
Speaker 3: Well, if if we're talking about that, we do have
Speaker 3: Belichick on mac Jones out of the game, right, Like we.
Speaker 1: Have a show where we could hear from Mike McDaniel
Speaker 1: and Bill Bell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's just hear him about mac Jones.
Speaker 1: The games on the.
Speaker 18: Led the decision to take mac out at three forty
Speaker 18: one remaining in.
Speaker 1: The third quarter.
Speaker 13: I think there's any point leaving him in the game.
Speaker 5: Will be starting next week against the Saints.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just so there's no point leaving him in the game,
Speaker 1: Mike in grace.
Speaker 19: I mean, yeah, do you think considered taking like jud
Speaker 19: out on the other side or got.
Speaker 1: Him in the ribs no effect? Yeah, I mean put
Speaker 1: something some effect.
Speaker 5: It's about ten agins the answer.
Speaker 7: So Bill was he.
Speaker 15: No, I said there was no point in leaving him
Speaker 15: out there, so I took him out.
Speaker 2: That pause, by the way that you heard, that pregnant
Speaker 2: pause was Bill in his mind trying to figure out
Speaker 2: if he could make Mike Reese disappear under the mess
Speaker 2: pike and not be connected to it.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's that's happened to other people connected with
Speaker 4: wellots before.
Speaker 3: Mike might be the leader in the clubhouse, is the
Speaker 3: best beat writer out there in the game right now
Speaker 3: in terms of longevity and quality.
Speaker 2: Hey, you don't build under to the mess Pike unless
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick respects you.
Speaker 3: But he's been there twenty years so he can ask
Speaker 3: those tough questions. And he does plan to start him
Speaker 3: next week. He did make it clear in that press conference.
Speaker 3: He did say yes, once pressed on it, you know,
Speaker 3: if Mac is going to start. But this is the
Speaker 3: worst possible game in all ways. For the Patriots, mac
Speaker 3: Jones mentally crumbled after a couple of pretty good drives.
Speaker 3: I thought to start the game where they get a
Speaker 3: field goal and then they turn it over on downs.
Speaker 3: He is so unathletic, and you try to look past
Speaker 3: that because he has other things that you know in
Speaker 3: theory can make up for that. But let's look at
Speaker 3: how they turned it over on downs. They do the
Speaker 3: tush push right, and it was blocked up pretty well.
Speaker 3: But mac Jones just sort of just like falls forward.
Speaker 3: There was no defenders there, like he could have run forward.
Speaker 3: They don't get it, and then the whole rest of
Speaker 3: the game it turns into this Mac Jones like I'm
Speaker 3: going to try to play hero ball and panicking and
Speaker 3: really reminded me of a year ago where he's throwing
Speaker 3: the ball across his body. Dron Bland almost had two
Speaker 3: pick six. Dron Plain is a great player, by the way,
Speaker 3: or a great young player, promising five picks as a
Speaker 3: rookie last year. He didn't get a lot of pop
Speaker 3: replacing treyvon Dick. So that's great for the Cowboys. We'll
Speaker 3: get to the good part of the Cowboys. It's just
Speaker 3: so many bad decisions, and then by the end middle
Speaker 3: of the third quarter, why you had to take him
Speaker 3: out even on plays that were perfectly blocked. Mack was
Speaker 3: completely freaking out and kind of not throwing it to
Speaker 3: open receivers and then doing crazy things, and so he's
Speaker 3: mentally collapsing. You have no explosive element to your offense.
Speaker 3: And then, as you heard from Mike Grease, Matt Judah,
Speaker 3: their best defensive player gets hurt in the fourth quarter
Speaker 3: of a total blowout. The way the teammates were talking
Speaker 3: after the game, it sounded like it could be a
Speaker 3: long term injury. They're reporting it as a biceps injury,
Speaker 3: so that's probably a torn biceps in. Christian Gonzalez, their
Speaker 3: defensive rookie of the month for September in the NFL,
Speaker 3: left very early with what appeared to be a serious
Speaker 3: shoulder injury. So everything that could go wrong did. It
Speaker 3: was a humbling day for the Patriots.
Speaker 7: The worst loss of Belichick's head.
Speaker 2: Coaching career twenty four seasons, and Pats fans will remember
Speaker 2: the other one. It was the season open against Buffalo
Speaker 2: in two thousand and three thirty one zip.
Speaker 5: Even worse than any Browns loss. Ye had to throw up.
Speaker 7: Those Browns teams did not get blown out.
Speaker 1: And the difference is like that, what did that two
Speaker 1: thousand and three team do? Greg? They won the season,
Speaker 1: they won the super Bowl. But everything feels different. Obviously
Speaker 1: everything is different.
Speaker 2: He's not there anymore, but in general that the ship
Speaker 2: feels like it's it's swaying a little bit. And I thought,
Speaker 2: and I I, you know, this is not me being
Speaker 2: a bitter jetspin, but I've seen the face, that face
Speaker 2: that a quarterback makes when he's had a terrible day
Speaker 2: and he's still going back out on the field. I
Speaker 2: think Belichick made the right move to get him out
Speaker 2: of that game because they showed him on the sideline
Speaker 2: and you could.
Speaker 1: Tell he was he had no answers.
Speaker 5: Capitulated on some level.
Speaker 3: And I thought he played really well the first three weeks,
Speaker 3: but he today was a lot in him.
Speaker 2: And we're gonna disagree on that because I don't see
Speaker 2: the same level playing Mac Jones, even though he has
Speaker 2: made throws this season at times, I just don't. I
Speaker 2: don't think he's special or even or even maybe average.
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering, as we and we could talk about
Speaker 2: this down the line, but that Mac Jones mark becomes like,
Speaker 2: if if this season goes where it might be going
Speaker 2: for New England, that Mac Jones is a sacrificial lamb
Speaker 2: after this, it's not Belichick and they get to start over,
Speaker 2: and he gets to start over with a QB and
Speaker 2: gets one last chance with this team.
Speaker 4: I don't think that would be totally unfair other than
Speaker 4: the fact that, like Bill Belichick scouted and picked this player.
Speaker 4: So it's not entirely on mac Jones. Last year it was,
Speaker 4: you know, complete freebie because you you had a you know,
Speaker 4: chaos in the coaching situation. On offense, you've got Bill
Speaker 4: O'Brien and Greg. I just don't see the player that
Speaker 4: you see when it comes to mac Jones. I'm not
Speaker 4: saying that you think he's some great guy, but.
Speaker 5: I just think he can be average. But in their
Speaker 5: offensive line has been so bad.
Speaker 7: You're gonna be average.
Speaker 4: You're going to float in another world in the AFC
Speaker 4: or in the NFC, right and this is a team
Speaker 4: right now that when I watch them on offense, it's
Speaker 4: like your selling point was Ramandro Stevenson flat lining, Like
Speaker 4: this isn't this is an offense from like nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 4: There's there's defensive strengths, but like you're not, You're this
Speaker 4: is not a modern day twenty twenty three offense.
Speaker 3: No, they're They allowed the Cowboys and we can get
Speaker 3: to the Cowboys now like to sit on these short routes.
Speaker 3: And Bland was asked about it by our old colleague
Speaker 3: Mike already after the game, about city on these routes,
Speaker 3: and he's just like, hey, look that's what we saw
Speaker 3: in film. And so what he's saying is they can't
Speaker 3: push the ball down the field. Mac Jones doesn't have
Speaker 3: the arm or athleticism to make extra plays down the field.
Speaker 3: And then, more importantly to me, and this is completely
Speaker 3: on Belichick. The whole team is on Belichick. And I
Speaker 3: don't think Belichick will survive this season. Unless they win
Speaker 3: eight or nine games, I think he'll be fired. I
Speaker 3: also think it's a long way from saying they won't
Speaker 3: win eight or nine games. It's early, it's one in three,
Speaker 3: But I think I think Kraft will get rid of
Speaker 3: him if it goes south. He put this entire team together.
Speaker 3: They have no explosive players right now. Those are all
Speaker 3: his players.
Speaker 2: The juju signing, it's going to continue to build up
Speaker 2: as another thing to point to. He just doesn't have
Speaker 2: athleticism itself, it seems when he's trying to come out
Speaker 2: of these routes.
Speaker 1: It's it's ugly and the cowboys.
Speaker 2: Like I said on Thursday, Bett, if this is a
Speaker 2: big time team, you take that ugly Cardinals loss and
Speaker 2: you take it out on a middling team in your building.
Speaker 2: It's exactly what they did, which is why I was
Speaker 2: so surprised that.
Speaker 5: I'm waiting for those rain clouds.
Speaker 3: There are l's that the rain Maker has taken over years,
Speaker 3: and then there are capital l's.
Speaker 5: This is uh, this is a big one.
Speaker 1: This is a big one. You know, somebody's daughter isn't
Speaker 1: getting braces.
Speaker 7: No, too bad for her.
Speaker 1: Somebody's son isn't going to promm.
Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, you gotta play the long game. But you
Speaker 3: gotta take the l's when they come.
Speaker 7: How much does prom cost?
Speaker 2: Oh, the toilet doesn't work. Now you got to go
Speaker 2: outside because Greg picked with his.
Speaker 1: Heart and not his head than before I thought I
Speaker 1: was with the head.
Speaker 3: You know, you guys got to accept this and you
Speaker 3: got to move on when you've taken and now this
Speaker 3: this poor credit.
Speaker 2: It puts a lot of pressure on the rain Maker.
Speaker 2: Now mark for the next one, because he's got a
Speaker 2: as a showman. He's got to come out and say,
Speaker 2: I know I let you down. This one is my guarantee. Yeah,
Speaker 2: double double this up.
Speaker 3: Or you completely forget about it for like five more
Speaker 3: weeks until in the middle of the show, like, oh
Speaker 3: I haven't done a rain Maker? Is that you still
Speaker 3: have that drop erics like one second before doing bad
Speaker 3: job by me. I do want to just give some
Speaker 3: props to Dak who I mentioned going into this game.
Speaker 3: This might be a tough matchup for him. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: he's ghosts. He played so well. You know, they're nine
Speaker 3: to one in their last ten games after a loss,
Speaker 3: averaging thirty three points. This is a team that bounces back.
Speaker 3: His decision making. His passes were on point. I think
Speaker 3: he was seven for nine on throws that were at
Speaker 3: least ten yards down the field. A lot of these
Speaker 3: were right in the bucket. And I know the Patriots
Speaker 3: are down three or four of their top cornerbacks, but
Speaker 3: they were great throws. Gallup's been playing much better these
Speaker 3: last couple weeks. A lot of Jake Ferguson is a
Speaker 3: real tight and they have a lot of positives.
Speaker 5: So they had that one bad game, but a lot
Speaker 5: of positives.
Speaker 2: For deck the Cowboys next Sunday Night, forty nine Ers Week.
Speaker 5: New Game of the Year, New Game of the Year.
Speaker 7: Well, so you have to go, you have to go go.
Speaker 4: Toe to toe with the Niners, and like, you can't
Speaker 4: have another flat performance.
Speaker 1: Well, I believe it, talk about it. I know you.
Speaker 4: I know you believe in them, and like I, I
Speaker 4: I have fair historical reason to be suspicious that they'll
Speaker 4: win twelve games and then go flat again.
Speaker 1: That's the past. This is now.
Speaker 7: It's literally a week ago.
Speaker 1: They look they're not gonna go They're not gonna go seventeen,
Speaker 1: and oh.
Speaker 4: Every team's gonna have you just I we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: So now you're out on the Cowboy I thought you
Speaker 1: were in this year.
Speaker 7: No, oh okay, I'm in on the Niners.
Speaker 4: But it's like, I like what happened last week kind
Speaker 4: of reconfirmed just suspicions about Dallas.
Speaker 3: It's an NFL, it's an NFL game, and today's happened
Speaker 3: did that?
Speaker 7: I I love what they did today.
Speaker 4: It's like things happen. I trust them to do it
Speaker 4: about twelve times. Then January will come.
Speaker 1: I'll just say this where nobody's underdog?
Speaker 2: Damn right, Zaddie and I see you bones fossil little trick,
Speaker 2: two point conversion.
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn doing his thing. What a staff, What a team.
Speaker 3: They were up twenty eight three at half time, and
Speaker 3: dan Quinn was like, not today, not this time.
Speaker 4: Team of eighten the Cowboys smart, you're gonna probably get
Speaker 4: super Bowl two weeks of Super Bowl nonsense with them
Speaker 4: if if it goes your way, so that'll be enough
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 5: It would be great.
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Speaker 2: All Right, you know who might not be playing in
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl this year?
Speaker 1: The Bengals. Things are going bad. Let's head to Nashville.
Speaker 1: Tannehill under center.
Speaker 3: You handle that well? That was a very humbly what
Speaker 3: can you do? And that it's hard to be more
Speaker 3: wrong about anything than I was.
Speaker 1: Hell, God, Dad, Titan Grace. That's the word.
Speaker 9: Henry, I should say, is the man who rolls it
Speaker 9: through all that food.
Speaker 7: But just freak me out.
Speaker 5: Cincinnati was more lost than me.
Speaker 2: Whoa my keep again? More Grace owned it turned it
Speaker 2: into beauty. That's magic. Titans Radio, the Titans Listen. There
Speaker 2: are teams that are difficult to figure out in this league,
Speaker 2: many of them. Actually, The Titans have been all over
Speaker 2: the map so far. And this week, this Sunday, it
Speaker 2: was the best version of the Titans. Ryan Tannehill throws
Speaker 2: for two forty and a touchdown. Dereck Henry looks like
Speaker 2: Dereck Henry again, even with that jump past TD throw,
Speaker 2: which I love.
Speaker 1: And they trounced the Bengals twenty seven to three in Nashville.
Speaker 2: Quite a performance for Tennessee all the way around. They
Speaker 2: only had ninety four yards of offense last week against Cleveland,
Speaker 2: and they scored twenty seven straight points in this game.
Speaker 2: Mark And like, I think it's it's a credit to Tennessee.
Speaker 2: But that's not what people and I know are Buddy
Speaker 2: Grave Digger and Titans fans are gonna say.
Speaker 1: Everybody should be focusing.
Speaker 2: On what the Titans can do when they are, you know,
Speaker 2: in their bag. But everyone is obviously going to focus
Speaker 2: on Cincinnati being completely lost at sea on both sides,
Speaker 2: of the ball in this game, but especially on offense,
Speaker 2: where once again you had a limited Burrow unable to
Speaker 2: do anything in this offense going nowhere fast.
Speaker 4: Two things are happening because Grave Digger and Titans fans
Speaker 4: are correct because as hot and cold as they are
Speaker 4: when they're hot, and they appear under the mic Rabel
Speaker 4: leadership the way that they have in the past, I
Speaker 4: watched a team that was like more physical than Cincinnati,
Speaker 4: that beat them up all over the place, that nullified
Speaker 4: their pass rush when they have a weak offensive line.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, did they win? Henry threw that lob?
Speaker 4: Did that not come after a timeout where like they
Speaker 4: saw Henry lined up in a direct snap situation on
Speaker 4: the Playboff Course, they go back and they kind of
Speaker 4: collect themselves and then Henry just throws the snout.
Speaker 7: He swears on the next play.
Speaker 2: It was very vrable and I'll give him credit, and
Speaker 2: I'll give Tim Kelly credit there o. C who they had,
Speaker 2: they cooked up some good stuff in this game where
Speaker 2: they head to the goal line and it's Jeffrey Simmons,
Speaker 2: a tickle monster serving as the up back with Derrick
Speaker 2: Henry back, and he's like holy s A and they
Speaker 2: and they call time out and then you know what
Speaker 2: Rabel does. It sends the same setup on the field,
Speaker 2: They run the same play and they're like, we don't
Speaker 2: care about you being able to recalibrate yourselves.
Speaker 1: You're still not going to stop this, and they did not.
Speaker 4: And that It's like Louis and Arumo has been a
Speaker 4: bright spot when they when they've tried to get through
Speaker 4: these games, and I think he's a great coordinator, but
Speaker 4: coaching in general with the Bengals, to have this last
Speaker 4: year's ugly start, this year's start, it certainly ties to
Speaker 4: the body of Joe Burrow. He's struggling. He took us
Speaker 4: some terrible hits in this game today and at one
Speaker 4: point I saw him kind of coming off to the
Speaker 4: sideline and testing his arm elbow. He got just it's you.
Speaker 4: You're not going to get out of this if your
Speaker 4: quarterback's not healthy. And it's not the only problem on
Speaker 4: this team right now.
Speaker 3: Right That's the thing that gets me and why I
Speaker 3: wasn't over the moon about the Monday night victory. That
Speaker 3: was a nice night. It was like a championship effort
Speaker 3: to get through that gutty, But in this game, they
Speaker 3: got almost doubled up in total yardage four hundred to
Speaker 3: two eleven. They didn't have a single play over seventeen
Speaker 3: yards on offense. That's been consistent. Their offense has been
Speaker 3: bad all four games, including against the Rams, one of
Speaker 3: the most defensive challenge teams in the league, and they've
Speaker 3: struggled in that game. And it's mostly about Burrow, but
Speaker 3: the offensive line has not looked good, and they didn't
Speaker 3: look good when Burrow was moving a little better the
Speaker 3: first couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: So there's a lot going on with this team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean I've said it on Thursday.
Speaker 2: Still feel this way, and you can now say, well,
Speaker 2: they don't have this ability to do this.
Speaker 1: Got to sit down the quarterback this.
Speaker 2: I know you're one in three and you're probably under
Speaker 2: the belief if we sit the quarterback down, our season's over.
Speaker 2: But you can't keep sending him out like this. In
Speaker 2: addition to it being just sad to watch, it's ineffective
Speaker 2: and move Okay, no he can't. He's not moving at all.
Speaker 2: Everything again is out of the shotgun. There is, so
Speaker 2: everything is out of his hands immediately, and Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Just like we thought was gonna be a pro.
Speaker 2: It was a problem because the offensive line was getting
Speaker 2: beat and once that pass rusher was on top of him,
Speaker 2: he's taken some nasty shots.
Speaker 5: So you could.
Speaker 2: Survive on Monday Night with that game plan against a
Speaker 2: lesser team or a lesser defense, But in this game,
Speaker 2: that's a taste of what's going to continue to happen
Speaker 2: until he gets hurt and he's either going to pop
Speaker 2: the calf again or it's gonna be a different injury
Speaker 2: like we saw almost happen in this game, and who
Speaker 2: knows how he's gonna feel when he wakes up. So
Speaker 2: I think it's high pass time that you need to
Speaker 2: sit this guy down. Your season's already on the ropes.
Speaker 2: You kind of stop pretending if you're Zach Taylor. And
Speaker 2: I think Zach Taylor deserves blame for this as well,
Speaker 2: because you're not seeing and a lot of Bengals fans
Speaker 2: are pointing to Taylor is the number one problem.
Speaker 3: Oh, I got some spice Rack text to read off.
Speaker 2: I still think that's understandable, But it's crazy to me
Speaker 2: that people don't just say, well, Joe Burrow is forty
Speaker 2: percent or thirty percent. How do you not say that's
Speaker 2: the problem. You could say it's the play caller, and
Speaker 2: maybe there is some route here where they call a
Speaker 2: different type of game that makes them more effective. I
Speaker 2: just don't see it with at quarterback. I don't think
Speaker 2: there is a path to competency on offense with the
Speaker 2: way this guy is.
Speaker 4: They can't dominate people on the ground the way that
Speaker 4: they were a couple of seasons ago. Alongside his play,
Speaker 4: t Higgins gets lost to cracked ribs.
Speaker 7: I think it is.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like the house is starting to burn
Speaker 4: around you, and it's like the whole AFC North is
Speaker 4: a bit of a shamble save for one team right now.
Speaker 3: Right meanwhile the AFC South, and we'll get to I
Speaker 3: guess the last team here, but I think do we
Speaker 3: have a four way tie at two and two? They're
Speaker 3: all a little frisky with some some frisky wins.
Speaker 5: But yeah, spice Rack, you know what.
Speaker 3: Wes is great, great friend who is a Bengals fan
Speaker 3: and is always never believed in Zach Taylor kind of
Speaker 3: like me, just points out opening drive eleven plays down
Speaker 3: to the one.
Speaker 5: What do they do?
Speaker 3: They kick an eighteen yard field goal two minutes ago
Speaker 3: in the first half down, seventeen, fourth and three, what
Speaker 3: do they do? They punt the ball into the end
Speaker 3: zone for a touchback. Cowardly dip Blank's.
Speaker 1: That's what he wrote.
Speaker 3: What he says, and he says if he had a
Speaker 3: charming personality that like the players liked, he'd under like
Speaker 3: he could have get behind that.
Speaker 5: But he's also kind of a zero there.
Speaker 3: He said, he was like, give me Steve Mariucci, at
Speaker 3: least that people just like, you know, at least like
Speaker 3: a like one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure Bengalsons would be cool of mooch on this.
Speaker 5: Well, I think he meant back.
Speaker 3: I think he's saying back in the day, he's saying like, Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe you don't have like you're not the x'es and
Speaker 3: o's guy, but at least being the guy everyone connect
Speaker 3: Because if I.
Speaker 4: Fear to say, like give me three you know, foundational
Speaker 4: anchors of the Zach personality, I could come up with that.
Speaker 4: I mean, you went to the super Bowl, that's all
Speaker 4: I know about you.
Speaker 3: And on the other side, you got a guy in
Speaker 3: Rabel who you lose one week twenty seven three and
Speaker 3: the next week you come back win twenty seven three.
Speaker 5: That's kind of a Rabel type of team.
Speaker 4: They lost nine of their last ten and you still
Speaker 4: believed in them.
Speaker 2: When you have success like the Bengals have had the
Speaker 2: last two years, and Cincinnati fans have gotten a taste
Speaker 2: of that, this has been a very hard crash back
Speaker 2: to earth.
Speaker 3: Expectations are hard. That's why I think the staying at
Speaker 3: the top is so hard.
Speaker 1: The rain Maker knows a little bit about that. What
Speaker 1: do you mean, well, after what happened?
Speaker 3: I mean, oh, one, you know, it's one game, but
Speaker 3: not to the people that you know how to.
Speaker 5: Hey, if they're.
Speaker 3: Following my picks on game debut, they're riding to the
Speaker 3: top and.
Speaker 1: Firty place there. I don't know. If you get Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan on this sideline, tends to thing.
Speaker 7: A lot of people out there are very focused on you.
Speaker 3: Guys just said people are losing their house. Well, that's true,
Speaker 3: you're gonna get there. You know, anyone that knows you
Speaker 3: got a.
Speaker 4: Probably the ghosting on your rain Maker predictions.
Speaker 2: I'm I didn't say anything about a house. I mentioned
Speaker 2: little buck tooth Susie Q. You know she'll stay that way.
Speaker 2: Die alogue get them in visible line at least, you know, Uh, yes,
Speaker 2: and you mentioned t Higgins suffered some type of rib
Speaker 2: injury and potentially I saw I think Lorio say that
Speaker 2: he is facing perhaps an absence of weeks.
Speaker 1: Yikes. Okay uh.
Speaker 2: Speaking of yikes, the Cleveland Browns had to play without
Speaker 2: Deshaan Watson, and they learned that that is difficult business.
Speaker 7: The shotgun three receives bunch to the right. Jackson takes
Speaker 7: the snap, steps up, throws it complete. Andrews has out
Speaker 7: of the ten five touch down Ravens and with five
Speaker 7: fifty six left to play in Cleveland, the Hayes.
Speaker 1: In the barn. Ooh, six minutes to play. Sand Dusky drops.
Speaker 2: The Hayes in the barn for the Ravens, who go
Speaker 2: to Cleveland and spank the Browns twenty eight to three, who,
Speaker 2: as they said, played without Deshaun Watson, who was scratched.
Speaker 2: He warmed up on the field before the game, but
Speaker 2: shoulder injury kept him out of the game. They put
Speaker 2: the rookie in, and the rookie and the offense, the
Speaker 2: rookie being Dorian Thompson Robinson unable to move the ball.
Speaker 2: Mark Sessler. This is a humbler for the Browns. I
Speaker 2: imagine who you know. We came off a week of
Speaker 2: talking about their defense and against a hated rival.
Speaker 1: A bit of a no show. It looks like in
Speaker 1: your own building.
Speaker 4: This game was over a lot earlier than with six
Speaker 4: minutes to go. It's the kind of loss where I
Speaker 4: can understand that you've got Dorian Thompson Robinson in their
Speaker 4: fifth round pick who looked absolutely and utterly lost against
Speaker 4: a veteran Ravens defense.
Speaker 7: Cool, I get it.
Speaker 4: I didn't expect them to necessarily even have such chance
Speaker 4: to compete. If he didn't look good, I hoped he would.
Speaker 4: It was the opposite. You don't have Nick Chubb. Like
Speaker 4: after halftime, they had ten yards rushing and they can't.
Speaker 4: They just couldn't get anything going on that side of
Speaker 4: the ball. Of the ball and the Baltimore Ravens. My
Speaker 4: one thought was like, not unlike a jet situation if
Speaker 4: you had a quarterback in there that needed a lot
Speaker 4: of support and was going to struggle. You've got this
Speaker 4: defense that we've been talking about for three plus weeks.
Speaker 4: And the Ravens started a little bit slowly, and I thought,
Speaker 4: this is Cleveland's doorway into a potential upset, and you
Speaker 4: get Watson back and you keep going.
Speaker 7: You have a bye week next week. They got walked over.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was kind of bizarre to watch because
Speaker 4: you did lose Adarius Smith for a bit, Miles Garrett
Speaker 4: got banged up late, but in general, this was the
Speaker 4: defense from these other weeks, led by Jim Schwartz. And
Speaker 4: it was Mark Andrews rumbling for thirty six yards on
Speaker 4: a catch, which at one point was their biggest play
Speaker 4: kind of early on. But then Justice Hill gets going
Speaker 4: with a fifteen yard run, a seven yard run, Melvin
Speaker 4: Gordon gashes them for a twenty two yearard run. There
Speaker 4: suddenly up with the Lamar Jackson touchdown fourteen to three,
Speaker 4: and you sense the game was over because they were
Speaker 4: getting hotter and hotter and walking through Cleveland's defense in
Speaker 4: a way that it looked like the last twenty years.
Speaker 4: And so I'm a little mystified because this is a
Speaker 4: Ravens team missing all sorts of star players and supporting cast,
Speaker 4: and they put it to Cleveland. And it isn't simply
Speaker 4: on the quarterback. The defense didn't Altimore. It was without
Speaker 4: two wide receivers.
Speaker 2: They're starting left tackle, they're starting right tackle, went out
Speaker 2: and Greggie the Lamarmie. This is another good one for
Speaker 2: the Lamarmy now because he steps in with the team
Speaker 2: on the road against a punishing defense under manned. He
Speaker 2: scores four touchdowns, two on the ground, two through the air.
Speaker 2: And that's what a superstar quarterback.
Speaker 3: Does, just so efficient. Nineteen throws for one hundred and
Speaker 3: eighty six yards, so in only four incompletions. You're playing
Speaker 3: this defense that we've heard a lot about. I'm always
Speaker 3: wary of teams that are mostly about the defense in
Speaker 3: the year twenty twenty three, because I read this article once.
Speaker 5: It's always stuck with me.
Speaker 3: That by far the most predictive thing in terms of
Speaker 3: who has a good defense, it's just the schedule you played,
Speaker 3: like the correlation is so strong of just like, and
Speaker 3: it's not everything. The Browns stomped bad offensive lines more
Speaker 3: than other teams were stomping bad offensive lines. But still,
Speaker 3: by far, the best correlation to the defensive rankings are
Speaker 3: who has played the worst offenses, who's played the easiest schedule?
Speaker 3: And now they played a professional offense one missing a
Speaker 3: lot of players, like five starters on offense alone and
Speaker 3: four or five on defense. It was crazy how many cornerbacks,
Speaker 3: two of their their starting pass rushers. The Ravens were missing,
Speaker 3: and you have to give them a lot of credit
Speaker 3: because I think that's what twenty twenty three is about.
Speaker 3: Two is like who can win when you're missing so
Speaker 3: many players because it just seems like injuries are destroying
Speaker 3: half the teams in the league, and the Browns, for instance,
Speaker 3: at least in terms of their running game, just haven't
Speaker 3: been able to like survive that injury.
Speaker 4: Well, they weren't like they weren't built to be just
Speaker 4: around defense either. They're in that situation now because you
Speaker 4: lost maybe the running back in this league game is
Speaker 4: I guess what I'm thinking, But they were sitting ducks
Speaker 4: in this I mean, you talk about like teams you're
Speaker 4: playing in offenses, you're playing like the Ravens walked into
Speaker 4: a great situation today. So it's like we could go
Speaker 4: and over and flate who they are because they've been
Speaker 4: as inconsistent versus expectations on offense as Anyonoe.
Speaker 3: Three first half touchdowns and I know they got a
Speaker 3: couple extra possessions, so maybe that is the difference.
Speaker 5: But three on.
Speaker 4: Nine, like nine drives under ten yards, It just and
Speaker 4: they looked like it, and there were massive turnovers, and
Speaker 4: you know dtr is like lost on the field out
Speaker 4: there and like whipping like they were having them throw
Speaker 4: these crazy deep passes. And then you got like who's
Speaker 4: helping them? You got Elije more like doing this one
Speaker 4: play that I think is the worst play I've seen
Speaker 4: all season where he takes an end around and instead
Speaker 4: of realizing it's a loss, like continues to figure eight
Speaker 4: backwards and takes a twenty yard loss. And it's like,
Speaker 4: that's not how you help a fifth round rookie quarterback
Speaker 4: that found out minutes before the game he was going
Speaker 4: to start.
Speaker 1: Is it weird that?
Speaker 2: So the Browns they had at last drive obviously where
Speaker 2: it didn't mean anything. They picked up fifty three yards
Speaker 2: the eight one hundred and thirteen yards going into that
Speaker 2: last drive. It's just me or we're seeing this every
Speaker 2: week with multiple Like there's just like a lot of
Speaker 2: offenses that are totally no showing throughout the league. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's maybe it's just how I feel it rather than reality.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're feeling it a lot with your offense, right,
Speaker 4: But but I would say in general, every week, cover
Speaker 4: three of these two or three of these early games
Speaker 4: in the late ones, like how many haves and we're
Speaker 4: like a veteran that you trust it has like forty
Speaker 4: seven yards pass or.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, a team xas ninety eight yards heading into
Speaker 2: their final possessions just like.
Speaker 3: Hmm, it's woodshad uh woodhead sign week talking about woods
Speaker 3: shed Week, bomb drops, Sunday.
Speaker 7: Four four, Part four, all fourth week. All of that happened.
Speaker 4: They've been happening on a weekly basis. If you look
Speaker 4: all of.
Speaker 3: That happened and you know, yes, the Ravens have quietly
Speaker 3: had one of the best first quarters in the NFL,
Speaker 3: not just because they're three and one, okay, but because
Speaker 3: they get this division win. Here, what are they in
Speaker 3: the Have they won a couple of division games?
Speaker 1: Haven't they?
Speaker 5: Right now?
Speaker 3: Because they beat the Bengals, So they're there's two and
Speaker 3: now in the division. The Bengals are a mess. The
Speaker 3: Browns will see the Steelers are a mess. It's been
Speaker 3: a nice you know that division looked nice going into
Speaker 3: the Suitabul start.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean other than the the injuries, which obviously
Speaker 2: to the running back position and the wide receiver.
Speaker 5: Here's the thing they're getting most of those guys back.
Speaker 1: Yes, we'll not be fun.
Speaker 5: No not JK.
Speaker 1: Dobbins.
Speaker 2: And we'll see where Miles Garrett is at Mark. He
Speaker 2: had a boot on after this game.
Speaker 4: He took a he wrapped up lamar on a play
Speaker 4: and I was surprised they showed the replay more than
Speaker 4: once because I was like, Oh, I think Lyles Garrett's
Speaker 4: out for the year and like and he's walking around
Speaker 4: because a foot injury apparently. But I'm with you, Greg,
Speaker 4: like I think that you the Ravens are still a
Speaker 4: team in progress. But the other three teams have like
Speaker 4: glowing red flags right.
Speaker 1: Now, also also glowing No, that's terrible. Did Ginger man?
Speaker 1: Uh No?
Speaker 2: David and Jok who set his face on fire with
Speaker 2: a fire pit this weekend, which is wild because I've
Speaker 2: done things like that in the past.
Speaker 1: When you got that, you got the shut up, Greg.
Speaker 1: We're not taking it out of the show, Greg and
Speaker 1: a panic trying to get.
Speaker 3: Our not I'm just I'm just reacting, honestly in the
Speaker 3: moment where I've never said we would.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. You turn that propane tank on and
Speaker 2: you're using the starter. The starter never works. So I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what I juke. I probably did went to
Speaker 2: get the the lighter thing, yeah, the little handle thing
Speaker 2: yet but meanwhile the propane gas has been rumbling sure
Speaker 2: for you know, Greg get upwards of sixty seconds perhaps,
Speaker 2: and then when it finally lights, it's it's like Oppenheimer.
Speaker 5: Well he owned it.
Speaker 3: I love that he showed up to the stadium with
Speaker 3: a mask on and he ends up leading the team
Speaker 3: with six catches in forty six yards.
Speaker 1: So you know I left that and showed up Mark.
Speaker 4: He's I mean I it was a gutsy performance, all
Speaker 4: things considered.
Speaker 1: I've always liked that in Joco. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: So get well soon, son? All right, here we go, son?
Speaker 1: What uh?
Speaker 2: Let us move on two London? Shall we go to London.
Speaker 2: Let's get on the plane and go to London.
Speaker 15: Falcon on the move here how gear the running back
Speaker 15: straight drop netball.
Speaker 9: Can pick off day quiet fifty forty five forty there's
Speaker 9: along the.
Speaker 2: Touch taxon pick.
Speaker 1: Six for Darius.
Speaker 2: Williams, God Save the King remix.
Speaker 1: Key Change? Is this the song?
Speaker 7: Remix Queen?
Speaker 1: I don't think we have the rights? Is this the song?
Speaker 3: I didn't think so, but I but it's British Yeah, No,
Speaker 3: it's not about is.
Speaker 8: This this is what I've been using for our London stuff?
Speaker 7: But which is that?
Speaker 3: But now we're getting know Yes, yeah, we're just a
Speaker 3: bunch of dumb American We don't know the long version.
Speaker 7: We don't claim to know.
Speaker 2: You know what, how about this England little radio edit
Speaker 2: from the National Anthem.
Speaker 1: Then we'll see you in a couple of weeks and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it personal. Frank Franzie with the call.
Speaker 1: Who Darius Williams.
Speaker 2: With the pick six one of several bad throws from
Speaker 2: Desmond Ritter who struggles continued as the Jaguars cruise to
Speaker 2: a twenty three to seven win in their adopted hometown
Speaker 2: secondary hometown of London, England.
Speaker 1: So that game is at Wembley's.
Speaker 2: Dating will be at the Hot tadi in a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks and we can't wait. Calvin Ridley also had
Speaker 2: a touchdown in this game and his I guess quasi
Speaker 2: revenge game against the Falcons and Greg, we'll start with
Speaker 2: the Jaguars here, kind of a tough team to figure
Speaker 2: out this season. I'm not watching this game and my
Speaker 2: takeaway is, Wow, Jacksonville is they're a team that really
Speaker 2: takes seriously in the AFC right now, But they took
Speaker 2: care of business here against offense in Atlanta that just
Speaker 2: doesn't have it together right now.
Speaker 3: No, it was a survive in advance game that started
Speaker 3: off really promising for the Jaguars, and I like that
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 5: The first three drives.
Speaker 3: They were ahead one hundred and forty six to eleven
Speaker 3: yards after the first three drives, and then you started
Speaker 3: to see the Jags offense that we've seen the rest
Speaker 3: of the year, which is really stuck in mud and
Speaker 3: jet and Lawrence getting rid of the ball too quickly
Speaker 3: because they don't really trust the offensive line. His average
Speaker 3: up of target is at the very bottom of the league,
Speaker 3: but he's been playing well. They really made an effort
Speaker 3: to de emphasize Calvin Ridley and to emphasize Christian Kirk
Speaker 3: and Evan Ingram. Twenty targets for those two early and
Speaker 3: often only two for Ridley. They got the touchdown on
Speaker 3: a busted coverage and Ridley was wide open for that touchdown.
Speaker 3: They had almost no big plays other than that, and
Speaker 3: so I'm still a little concerned about their offense. But
Speaker 3: in terms of a survive in advance moment, I do
Speaker 3: think their defense has looked better than I expected this season. Overall,
Speaker 3: it's definitely a good run defense. And if you're a
Speaker 3: good run defense, the Falcons don't have anything to do
Speaker 3: because they can't do anything. And even Bijon got off,
Speaker 3: I mean, b Seon, why did he go for one
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty seven yards with scrimmage?
Speaker 5: And even then it's like the Falcons couldn't do anything.
Speaker 7: A lot of that came too late.
Speaker 4: I mean, like I closely watched the beginning of this
Speaker 4: game and started to lose hope with each drive. They
Speaker 4: have a nine yard three and out the Falcons, they
Speaker 4: have a one yard three and out, They have a
Speaker 4: six play drive that goes six yards. The terrible pick
Speaker 4: six rider comes back from that, like who are you?
Speaker 1: Does next play?
Speaker 7: Next play? Another pick?
Speaker 4: And it's like, we don't need to focus on the
Speaker 4: on the ground game entirely if you're a defense, if
Speaker 4: this team is going to just completely implode while Jacksonville,
Speaker 4: because I like, kind of I'm not that impressed with
Speaker 4: Jacksonville's offense this year compared to like what they were
Speaker 4: towards down the stretch last year. I do think that
Speaker 4: Lawrence is not the reason for that. Uh, but the
Speaker 4: Falcons doing this are not going to beat anyone, and like,
Speaker 4: like you know, I mean early on in the season,
Speaker 4: watching what they could do on the ground, I kind
Speaker 4: of thought, like the lack of like faith through.
Speaker 7: Ritter in the air.
Speaker 4: You can get by, you can beat up some teams
Speaker 4: and do it in an old school way, and it's
Speaker 4: like you can't hide them.
Speaker 7: You can't hide them.
Speaker 1: It's worse than I ever imagine.
Speaker 2: We mentioned so far with Pittsburgh's offense, like trying to
Speaker 2: run a nineteen ninety one was it Pittsburgh New England,
Speaker 2: New England's offense, Like that's the thing.
Speaker 1: You can't really do it.
Speaker 2: You can't just say just give it to Bijon and
Speaker 2: give it to Algier and then defense gets stopped.
Speaker 1: You can't hide a quarterback.
Speaker 2: And I think Arthur Smith is I think he knows it,
Speaker 2: but he's doing that thing that head coaches do where
Speaker 2: everyone else knows it, and he probably knows it too,
Speaker 2: but the words he's choosing to use with the media
Speaker 2: make you feel like he doesn't know it. And even
Speaker 2: if he does know it, it's not like a good
Speaker 2: look because he's letting people think that he doesn't know it.
Speaker 2: Let's listen to Arthur Smith on his thoughts on the
Speaker 2: offense and whether he has the right players in place
Speaker 2: to succeed.
Speaker 1: They're asking about the quarterback.
Speaker 18: Everybody's gonna be frustrated after a loss. But when you
Speaker 18: have the right guys in the right mindset that I understand, like, hey,
Speaker 18: let's not let them get early momentum. You know, make
Speaker 18: the play on the sack, don't let a bus the coverage.
Speaker 18: You know, gotta leak out uncover. You know, those are
Speaker 18: things that you look at in reality. I mean, I think,
Speaker 18: if you've got the wrong guys, it's easy to splinter
Speaker 18: and ride the roller coaster.
Speaker 1: But we got the right guys in there.
Speaker 4: And he sounds defeated to me in that situation. But
Speaker 4: you have Taylor Heinekey.
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. And this is the other thing
Speaker 2: he did that got it. Because I have not been
Speaker 2: an Arthur Smith fan this year either. I just don't
Speaker 2: like the way this offense is being run. And at halftime,
Speaker 2: you know, he comes out and does you know, talks
Speaker 2: to CBS or wherever the game was played. Who was
Speaker 2: were they on ESPN? No, ESPN plus, ESPN plus and
Speaker 2: he makes a point, we're not even thinking about making
Speaker 2: a change, And Greg, I saw your tweet and I
Speaker 2: agreed with it one hundred percent. That was a perfect
Speaker 2: Taylor Heinekey spot to go in there see if he
Speaker 2: can get hot and go steal a game because Jacksonville
Speaker 2: was kind of asking to give it away.
Speaker 3: It felt like right, And to Ritter's credit, he played
Speaker 3: better for a minute coming out a halftime. They had
Speaker 3: the touchdown Drave right out a halftime, and then they
Speaker 3: drove down the field, but then the inconsistencies popped up
Speaker 3: and it's like he doesn't want to hurt Ridder's confidence,
Speaker 3: but Ridder's play is hurting Ridder's confidence. Ritter throwing up
Speaker 3: a moon ball to open maccollins that could have been
Speaker 3: in a third interception. He really could have had two more,
Speaker 3: and then going over to the sideline and trying to
Speaker 3: high five maccollins for some reason, and Matt Collins like
Speaker 3: stands up in his face.
Speaker 5: Is like the camera cut away.
Speaker 3: I wish they had seen the rest of that interaction
Speaker 3: because it's like the players know he is not playing confident.
Speaker 3: The one thing he did last year was avoid big mistakes.
Speaker 3: And this year it's all big mistakes, but with no
Speaker 3: playmaking to make up for it, their defense has been better.
Speaker 3: Bijon has been as advertised, he was electric in this game.
Speaker 3: Made a lot of great plays throughout, but it's like
Speaker 3: a running back's only gott to do so much.
Speaker 4: Josh Allen for the Jaguars was massive in this I mean,
Speaker 4: I feel like he's a player that sort of comes
Speaker 4: and goes, but he completely destroyed Atlanta's offense. And I
Speaker 4: don't know, I don't know what you do. What do
Speaker 4: you say to your fan base, but especially to your
Speaker 4: own locker room. We're seeing this happen with a couple
Speaker 4: teams where it's like the quarterback decision making process to
Speaker 4: get you to the point where this guy's starting for
Speaker 4: you creates a total fractured locker room. Falcons players seem
Speaker 4: to be frustrated and you clearly have a guy. We
Speaker 4: don't think Taylor Huneck's perfect, but he's a bit of
Speaker 4: an adventure and when it gets going, like there's a
Speaker 4: lot to like and it's like this is like, I
Speaker 4: think I agree with Arthur Smith. The one thing, there
Speaker 4: are a lot of the right people here. This is
Speaker 4: a pretty interesting roster, but the most important piece is
Speaker 4: failing you in life.
Speaker 2: That's that's why I didn't love the quote because everyone
Speaker 2: knows there's a lot of gun I totally agree, and
Speaker 2: it's like, I know you're trying to hide from what
Speaker 2: the big situation here is. But he's got to be
Speaker 2: careful because if he if he gets stays, it's like
Speaker 2: in Vegas, like you made a bad bet.
Speaker 1: Potentially here I think it's a bad bet with Ridder.
Speaker 2: If you stay with this bad bet and you double down,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get cleaned out and guess.
Speaker 1: What, You're gonna lose your job. Well, he's just get
Speaker 1: you wouldn't realize reality with Ridder.
Speaker 2: And I know it's still only week four, but there's
Speaker 2: so much evidence here that this guy is not the guy.
Speaker 3: Or Yeah, he's just thinking when is the right time
Speaker 3: to do this? He didn't think it was halftime. Hearing
Speaker 3: the way his voice sounded yeah, actually made me think like, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe maybe it would happen to like, because who knows
Speaker 3: Ridder is capable. I think of playing better at some
Speaker 3: point than this. Maybe it's after getting benched for Heineke
Speaker 3: for a little while. You are two and two in
Speaker 3: a bad division, So I get it. It's still early,
Speaker 3: but it's getting it just it's just everyone.
Speaker 1: Can see it, all right, let's uh.
Speaker 3: We got to mention at least shout out to the
Speaker 3: Toy Story broadcast, who made my son Walker as happy
Speaker 3: as I think I've ever seen him watching anything.
Speaker 5: He could not have really loved it more.
Speaker 3: I think kids love watching video games in general, like
Speaker 3: they just like watching two different people play Madden, and
Speaker 3: so I think this was kind of like that, except
Speaker 3: it was like an actual game that was going on.
Speaker 3: And I know there were some some little airs like
Speaker 3: the first touchdown they dropped it on the Toy Story
Speaker 3: broadcast or whatever, but the announcer said that he caught it.
Speaker 3: But I was sort of blown away in the little
Speaker 3: that I watched it, and more importantly, like he was
Speaker 3: like a kid on Christmas. And I was texted with
Speaker 3: a couple other parents that enjoyed it as well, so like,
Speaker 3: why not try it?
Speaker 5: It's fun?
Speaker 4: So I watched that really closely. It was not for adults,
Speaker 4: well no, So my thing is if if I'm hearing
Speaker 4: the children are enjoying it, like okay, case closed. There
Speaker 4: were some technical difficulties but that it was the trial
Speaker 4: run essentially with it. There was a moment that I
Speaker 4: thought was interesting. They had like this claw that was
Speaker 4: basically dropping the football down. Yeah, like in spots. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they grabbed, Like at one point they grabbed a player
Speaker 4: and like yanked him away.
Speaker 7: There was some hanky stuff going on.
Speaker 4: I think there's a great drinking game attached to this
Speaker 4: because they mentioned Andy's room like four or five times
Speaker 4: in the first room that they kept like making it
Speaker 4: clear for people walking by, We're in Andy's room playing
Speaker 4: this game in his room.
Speaker 7: The kid from toy story that was the stand.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and so like they I think they said
Speaker 4: Andy's room by the time I left to come here
Speaker 4: in the third mid third quarter, about one hundred and
Speaker 4: seventy five times.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, I kept seeing I saw one tweet that
Speaker 3: was like, why are they explaining how to get first
Speaker 3: down to me? Like, I'm a six year old. It's
Speaker 3: for six year olds. Stop watching the adults either don't
Speaker 3: lose the game.
Speaker 2: By the way, I learned the game as well from
Speaker 2: the game. Yeah, I think that's also people counterpoint. Kids
Speaker 2: have terrible taste. I mean, have you ever watched Blippy?
Speaker 2: That guy's a terrorist.
Speaker 7: It's a strong counter heard this.
Speaker 2: I have you ever watched like Mike my son Jack
Speaker 2: when he was little, We just watch garbage trucks like
Speaker 2: doing their round. Oh we had that too, like for
Speaker 2: an hour. Yeah, it's terrible programming.
Speaker 1: And so they're gonna kids are gonna say, I like this,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean it's any good. I like Connor
Speaker 1: Orr wrote a hit piece for a s I he did.
Speaker 1: I love where.
Speaker 2: Connor war his heads at right now as a as
Speaker 2: a writer and as a as a journalist, because he
Speaker 2: picks and chooses his hot takes and they come in
Speaker 2: blue Flame, Blue Flame. He came after a big Pixar
Speaker 2: and you gotta it's commendable.
Speaker 1: Greg.
Speaker 3: You may not agree with him, I definitely don't. One
Speaker 3: of his worst takes like who is it hurting? It's like,
Speaker 3: what could what is the downside to any of this?
Speaker 3: It's just like a second screen on an ESPN Plus game.
Speaker 4: Well it was a bit of a tougher game to
Speaker 4: find it's on ESPN Plus that not every single person piece.
Speaker 5: Or that's the whole point.
Speaker 4: But that's why I think some people were complaining like
Speaker 4: they have.
Speaker 3: But if you have ESPN plus you have that game
Speaker 3: if you can watch the regular game, watch the game.
Speaker 5: If you have it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, like not Everyone's but toy.
Speaker 5: Story is not available unless you have that.
Speaker 1: It is a sick, cruel world. When Blippy is a millionaire.
Speaker 5: I don't even know. I've never heard of Blippy and
Speaker 5: I gotta I'm so happy.
Speaker 4: Well from another angle, Creating insanely bizarre content for children
Speaker 4: that will get them obsessed and addicted as an adult
Speaker 4: is a smart move.
Speaker 2: A twisted, twisted myth of a man. All right, let's uh,
Speaker 2: by the way, the Jaguar stay in London. They'll be
Speaker 2: playing at the Hot Toddy against the Bills next week.
Speaker 2: Let's head to the Big Bowl bottom now.
Speaker 11: Now the forty nine ers up twenty one to sixteen.
Speaker 1: Look for a two score lead. McCaffrey's already got three touchdowns.
Speaker 5: They put him into a pistol behind Perty. This guy
Speaker 5: he's always right, three or left.
Speaker 3: They're giving a McCaffrey off the left side.
Speaker 5: One, two, three, four touchdown.
Speaker 12: See see that vision again, Pop, I'm telling you because
Speaker 12: they had a defender in the backfield and cmc puts
Speaker 12: his right foot in the ground and just pop.
Speaker 1: To the edge.
Speaker 2: My goodness, Christian McCaffrey, I know they haven't won in
Speaker 2: a while, the Niners, the big one.
Speaker 1: Well, I am hot, damn.
Speaker 2: I'm envious of that fan base because it feels like
Speaker 2: there's a lot of fun to root for this team,
Speaker 2: who once again, like when we did the Thursday night
Speaker 2: recap mark.
Speaker 1: With their Giants game, it's like they don't even.
Speaker 2: Really need to step on the accelerator to take care
Speaker 2: of business against a lot of these teams in the league,
Speaker 2: just like they did on Sunday thirty five, sixteen over
Speaker 2: the Cardinals, who did their best to hang around in
Speaker 2: this game, but ultimately it really was no contest. Brock
Speaker 2: Purty twenty of twenty one with a touchdown passing and
Speaker 2: a rushing TD and yes, Christian McCaffrey, who you may
Speaker 2: have passed on on and your fantasy Drea, I think
Speaker 2: I did maybe twice, had four touchdowns in this game
Speaker 2: and is really in peak form.
Speaker 1: Mark the Niners. They're in control right now.
Speaker 4: They It just it looks so easy, And I know
Speaker 4: that's sort of a staple of the Shanahan offense from
Speaker 4: like the quarterback angle, that you've got these guys running
Speaker 4: wide open they're perfectly put together on offense from a
Speaker 4: skill position angle, we know that, but you have players
Speaker 4: playing at the very best because I think to your
Speaker 4: point about the fantasy Christian McCaffrey thing is like when
Speaker 4: he's there, he's available, he's great, and he's there for
Speaker 4: five games and then he's gone for it's like you
Speaker 4: know what you're gonna get.
Speaker 7: He's stayed healthy with them. They use them all over
Speaker 7: the place.
Speaker 4: It's the four touchdowns, it's twenty seven touches for one
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy seven yards. He's scored in thirteen straight
Speaker 4: games for them, which snapped a.
Speaker 7: Jerry Rice record.
Speaker 4: You've got Brandon Au getting better and better and better
Speaker 4: every week, like Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 3: He's a little banged up superstar. Some people are saying,
Speaker 3: heading I think he has a chance.
Speaker 4: Well, I'd get on that train because I think the
Speaker 4: chance is occurring right now. I mean his one hundred
Speaker 4: and forty eight yards off six catches are like, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just like he can do everything. He's such an
Speaker 4: incredible receiver, so strong and like also it's Brock Party making.
Speaker 4: I think we look at Brock Party sometimes you're like, well,
Speaker 4: he's accurate, but is he special? Does he have special
Speaker 4: arm talent? Like he made some really special throws in
Speaker 4: this game, really accurate and like I he opened thirteen
Speaker 4: for thirteen, which which makes sense if you go twenty
Speaker 4: for twenty one, but that also snapped like to a
Speaker 4: game in the game consecutive completion streak that Steve Young said.
Speaker 4: It's like these old heroes are being vested in a
Speaker 4: more modern day offense and type situation by this star
Speaker 4: riddled offense. And it's like the Cardinals, honestly, like mate,
Speaker 4: that four touchdowns in the fourth touchdown by McCaffrey mattered
Speaker 4: because the score looks not as close as it was
Speaker 4: for part of this It was another performance for the Cardinals.
Speaker 4: Kind of Cardinals, and they're well coached and like you
Speaker 4: got these guys wondering why are they still hanging around
Speaker 4: in this game. Michael Wilson their rookie. I thought he
Speaker 4: looks great. He's third, third round out of Stamford, Like
Speaker 4: he's someone they have Josh Dobbs for the fact that
Speaker 4: he's not the future, there probably is like a top
Speaker 4: two or three backup for the next as many amount
Speaker 4: of years. With the way he's played over the last
Speaker 4: couple of weeks, so they kind of gave him a
Speaker 4: test on defense a little bit. But the Niners offense,
Speaker 4: like at every turn, keep breaking you, and it keeps
Speaker 4: happening with different people each time. And you've got a
Speaker 4: quarterback that's come out of nowhere half a season ago
Speaker 4: and looks incredible.
Speaker 5: I mean, they only got to five third downs to
Speaker 5: forty nine ers.
Speaker 1: That's just so easy.
Speaker 3: They had thirty first downs, and the Cardinals offense, to
Speaker 3: your point, Gate gave him everything they could handle. It's
Speaker 3: twenty one to sixteen. Going to the fourth. Part of
Speaker 3: the reason it's close, it is because these were long
Speaker 3: drives that the Cardinals are going on. Like their average
Speaker 3: per play was pretty solid. They could run the ball
Speaker 3: like their offense is risky. But that's why the forty
Speaker 3: nine ers have been the best team so far is
Speaker 3: one of their sides can dominate in a given week
Speaker 3: or in a given quarter. Any player on either side
Speaker 3: could dominate. It doesn't need to be the same side
Speaker 3: every time. Brock Purdy I think played poorly against the Giants.
Speaker 3: Definitely not well like I would say that was a
Speaker 3: he got away with some throat It was like a
Speaker 3: c game and they walked away with it. But then
Speaker 3: he could come out and play an a game and
Speaker 3: the offense walks away with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think this tells the story, and we
Speaker 2: talked about it. I think we use the analogy to
Speaker 2: swingers about the bear that has these claws in the
Speaker 2: teeth and he doesn't always knowing to use him or
Speaker 2: he doesn't need to use him. But then when they
Speaker 2: decide the bear decides to use the claws, bad things
Speaker 2: happen to the bunny.
Speaker 1: Once the and credit to the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Eleven plays ninety nine ninety nine yards, Josh Dobbs leads them,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, it's twenty one to sixteen,
Speaker 2: as we said, and the Niners don't panic.
Speaker 1: They get the ball back.
Speaker 2: They go eight for seventy five boom, touchdown twenty eight
Speaker 2: to sixteen.
Speaker 1: Then they force a punt.
Speaker 2: Then they go back down the field fourteen for seventy
Speaker 2: seven boom, and it's thirty five sixteen.
Speaker 1: Good night, nurse.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like if you if you decide
Speaker 2: to bow up and challenge them, good for you, and
Speaker 2: it shows that you're a team of the backbone. But
Speaker 2: when they decide to get serious against these middle tier
Speaker 2: teams in below, it's just no contest. And that's one
Speaker 2: of the signs of a truly great team. And I
Speaker 2: cannot wait to see them against another in my opinion,
Speaker 2: great team Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Now I'm with you because it's like to your point
Speaker 4: of like, yeah, they were challenged score wise at one
Speaker 4: point in this, but their drive chart and these are
Speaker 4: long drives. The Niners touchdown touchdown, touchdown a one play
Speaker 4: end of half situation. They're only punt then touchdown, touchdown.
Speaker 4: Game over that that does not happen that often. That
Speaker 4: is a not a lot of drives. Essentially six six drives,
Speaker 4: and you scored touchdowns on five of them. That is outrageous.
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, like Deeba Samuel, you know,
Speaker 3: barely did anything because he's playing hurt. It's like you
Speaker 3: get a one catch kittle game and you still put
Speaker 3: up five touchdowns and six drives.
Speaker 1: Easy, easy, easy, Let's take a break and then finish
Speaker 1: it out.
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Speaker 2: All right, we're back. Let's head across the sidewalk where the.
Speaker 1: Charges did battle with that Raiders and now a first
Speaker 1: in goal.
Speaker 3: O'Connell on a fourth and ten complete said, what a
Speaker 3: game going? Do is right?
Speaker 1: Throwing do his right?
Speaker 17: Intercepto a Sunday Samuel intercepts it, it slides down.
Speaker 1: He might have been able to take that.
Speaker 7: To the house and third change, but we'll take the interception.
Speaker 7: We'll take interception.
Speaker 1: But he could have kept going absolutely.
Speaker 2: It's it's a bit of a unusual tactic to be
Speaker 2: a cornerback who says, now I'm good on the one
Speaker 2: hundred yard pick six, even though it actually would have
Speaker 2: been helpful of the team, not even strategic.
Speaker 3: I think he thought the game. I think he thought
Speaker 3: there was like thirty seconds left. It just felt like
Speaker 3: that it was two thirty with the you.
Speaker 2: Know who's going to be really annoyed with himself tonight.
Speaker 2: That's Sante Samuel, Yeah, because that's what you live for.
Speaker 2: But you know what, he still did make the key
Speaker 2: play in the game, and that was the great Matt
Speaker 2: money Smith on the call.
Speaker 1: Then some other guy chimed in unnecessarily.
Speaker 2: As the Chargers get three touchdowns from Justin Herbert and yes,
Speaker 2: that huge interception and a beautiful Herbert deep ball to
Speaker 2: ice this thing, because they did need to hit a
Speaker 2: third and long after the Samuel will step out to
Speaker 2: actually run out the clock. And they did, beating the
Speaker 2: Raiders twenty four seventeen, a bizarre game in which you know,
Speaker 2: only the Chargers like Khalil Mack had six sacks in
Speaker 2: this game and like the end of the third court
Speaker 2: one sack away from Derek Thomas and he still almost
Speaker 2: lost the game.
Speaker 1: And that's what the Chargers do. And yet here we are, Greg.
Speaker 3: What what what what?
Speaker 5: I can't do it live anywhere. I don't want to
Speaker 5: hear it.
Speaker 2: On the missing Mike Williams, Austin Eckler, Derwin, James am
Speaker 2: I missing somebody.
Speaker 3: These are Joey Bosa, Joey other arm buddy.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 2: And I know Aidan O'Connell's playing in this game, not
Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo, but a good win for the Chargers, who
Speaker 2: are finding away two weeks in a row after finding
Speaker 2: a way to give it away in their first two weeks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, take care of business.
Speaker 3: Game that you make interesting despite having a twenty four
Speaker 3: to seven halftime lead, because you.
Speaker 5: Are the Chargers.
Speaker 3: But I gotta give Staley credit, I guess, for just
Speaker 3: sticking to his guns with the fourth down decision. Late
Speaker 3: in the game, they decide to go for it on
Speaker 3: fourth and one. I think it was on their own
Speaker 3: thirty four, Dan was it with three point thirty to go,
Speaker 3: and they're up by a touchdown. And it's not like
Speaker 3: last week where they're going against Kirk Cousins. They're going
Speaker 3: against Aiden O'Connell and a first down doesn't quite win
Speaker 3: the game, but it gets you pretty close to it.
Speaker 5: And they go for fourth.
Speaker 3: Down and one again on their own thirty four, and
Speaker 3: they set up Aiden O'Connell to do it.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's Staley is playing chess.
Speaker 1: Definitely not he's.
Speaker 3: Letting his defense, which has gotten all this grief, be
Speaker 3: the heroes every week.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, Like this is the QB sneak.
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert threw an interception in this game and he
Speaker 2: went to make a tackle and please don't do this.
Speaker 1: Star quarterbacks, just get out of the way.
Speaker 2: And he gets I think, and we'll learn more about it,
Speaker 2: but I think he gets his It's pretty gnarley.
Speaker 1: He gets his finger.
Speaker 2: I believed Eric Roberts, our producer, knows all about these
Speaker 2: gnarley finger injuries, caught in the face mask or the
Speaker 2: ear hole or something, and it does damage to his
Speaker 2: non throwing hand, maybe his middle finger or his ring finger.
Speaker 2: So to me, it was a crazy play call if
Speaker 2: you're going to go for it there and you don't
Speaker 2: have Austin Eckler and your franchise quarterback has a splint
Speaker 2: and all sorts of like gauze around one of his fingers,
Speaker 2: and he's at a shotgun to the point where you're
Speaker 2: kneeling at the end of the game at a shotgun, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm running a QB sneak there,
Speaker 2: if I don't have something in my bag that doesn't
Speaker 2: involve Justin Herbert with a gnarly mangled finger trying to
Speaker 2: get a yard, I'm not calling that play. But This
Speaker 2: is the beauty of the Brandon Staley experience, the madness
Speaker 2: of it all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you look back last year, I mean, there
Speaker 4: were real questions if Herbert should have been in the
Speaker 4: game after he banged up his ribs and all that business.
Speaker 4: It's like they kept him in that situation too.
Speaker 2: Let's hear from Brandon Staley said Herbert was not coming
Speaker 2: out of this game.
Speaker 20: Yeah, I mean, he wasn't coming out. It was one
Speaker 20: of those things where he was going back in and
Speaker 20: he has that look, I'm going back in, I'm good,
Speaker 20: and you know, again just to show that toughness to
Speaker 20: the team. We really talked about that going into this
Speaker 20: game being a division game, and he surely showed it.
Speaker 20: And when your franchise quarterback, you know, and bodies all that,
Speaker 20: you know, everyone else jumps along.
Speaker 3: He said after the game, Herbert that it was just
Speaker 3: it was but a flesh wound, little ref little uh,
Speaker 3: little ref And then they were like, was it actually
Speaker 3: just a flesh woman? He was like, no, that was
Speaker 3: just using the quote.
Speaker 7: I mean, it was it.
Speaker 4: Well, it looked like it was like severe like maybe
Speaker 4: severely jammed or we don't know at this point, but
Speaker 4: like he had the splint on the finger initially, like
Speaker 4: with what was like a mummy's hand and wrapped towels,
Speaker 4: and then he came out like the next drive with
Speaker 4: the splint hanging around like a glove.
Speaker 3: And that's like a weird You're like, hey, Donald Parham,
Speaker 3: six foot seven tight end, can we borrow your glove?
Speaker 3: Like he had this strange glove that wigh too much
Speaker 3: end on it. Meanwhile, like, yeah, the Raiders starting eight
Speaker 3: o O'Connell. At least they made the right decision there.
Speaker 3: I would have been killing them if they had started
Speaker 3: Brian Hoyer. Did we see anything out of mister O'Connell.
Speaker 2: No, he looked very much like a young quarterback. And
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels. I mean he had they have first and
Speaker 2: goal in the before the Samuel interception and he forces
Speaker 2: a ball that it's just a terrible pass where he
Speaker 2: didn't read the defense the way he needed to in
Speaker 2: a huge spot in the game.
Speaker 1: He's not protecting the football.
Speaker 2: So you know that I would actually like to watch
Speaker 2: kind of watch it again on game pass just to
Speaker 2: see O'Connell's performance again. But I didn't come out of
Speaker 2: it thinking and maybe this was Josh McDaniels wants to
Speaker 2: see enough where he could roll with this kid and
Speaker 2: start developing someone other than Garoppolo, but ultimately.
Speaker 1: He made too many mistakes for them to win a
Speaker 1: game on the road.
Speaker 4: This is the second week in a row, and I'm trying.
Speaker 4: I'm searching and trying to figure out beyond his coordinator
Speaker 4: pedigree under Bill Belichick with the Patriots, what makes Josh
Speaker 4: McDaniels special versus the opposite? It is special and what
Speaker 4: we saw last week crazy decision. This time around he
Speaker 4: does not challenge what would have been absolutely called a touchdown.
Speaker 4: And it's like you lost this game by a touchdown
Speaker 4: with the Devonte Adams singing.
Speaker 1: Like why not, Well, they scored, they scored on that drive.
Speaker 1: I know they did.
Speaker 4: I know they did, I know they did so but
Speaker 4: here's the thing, Like, what is the process in that situation?
Speaker 4: Like you have to go to the number one best
Speaker 4: player on your team and say, you know you scored,
Speaker 4: I'll challenge it. Why isn't someone up in the booth
Speaker 4: saying absolutely challenges every one of us watching it knew
Speaker 4: was a touchdown, and he doesn't take the time to
Speaker 4: make the correct decision. They scored. But it's like another
Speaker 4: example of like what are we doing here?
Speaker 3: And we also found out this weekend that Chandler Jones
Speaker 3: is no longer with the Raiders, which.
Speaker 1: Was I did not see that. I saw he got arrested.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like this is all.
Speaker 3: A sad story and we don't know what it's going
Speaker 3: to mean for the rest of his career. But yeah,
Speaker 3: he was arrested after violating a domestic violence temporary protective
Speaker 3: order and then later on Friday night, a little bit
Speaker 3: of a news dump they cut him and just everything
Speaker 3: that you've seen through social media and stuff, if you've
Speaker 3: ever had someone around you that suffered like a mental breakdown,
Speaker 3: which I don't know, it's consistent with that sort of behavior,
Speaker 3: and it's just it's tough to see. But his career
Speaker 3: is going to be changed, and they're going to go
Speaker 3: after his money now. So they can say that they're
Speaker 3: all praying for him, which is what they said in
Speaker 3: their statement, but it's you know, lawyers are getting involved
Speaker 3: now and they're going to try to take away his
Speaker 3: money and.
Speaker 2: It's a business, yeah, and that's sometimes it's an ugly business.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I want to give a little credit before
Speaker 2: we move on to the Raiders defense, because you held
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert to one hundred and sixty seven yards passing.
Speaker 2: He hit on the big throw twenty yard throw to
Speaker 2: ice the game. But before that, the Chargers had at
Speaker 2: less than one hundred yards of total offense in the
Speaker 2: final two quarters of that game, which allowed the Raiders
Speaker 2: to get back into it. And if not for the interception,
Speaker 2: I think this is one of those games that was
Speaker 2: going overtime and then who knows what happens, and yet
Speaker 2: it did not.
Speaker 5: Four straight insane Chargers game down.
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know, they just played a script
Speaker 3: so much like all four of their games this season
Speaker 3: have been totally bonked.
Speaker 7: Forty four straight.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're entertaining as long as you're not a
Speaker 2: Chargers fan, because that the anxiety of it all is
Speaker 2: off the charts, all right. The Saints, uh, they were
Speaker 2: supposed to play without Derek Carran on Sunday. Dark Carr
Speaker 2: plays with a jacked up shoulder and it did not
Speaker 2: go well for the QB or his team.
Speaker 15: Third down a goal from the five draw play draw play,
Speaker 15: dropping Baker Mayfield looking to his left, now back to
Speaker 15: his right, looking over the metal then.
Speaker 1: All that time, where's the pass rush the angel? It's
Speaker 1: a diving right out the goal line.
Speaker 9: It's gonna be a touchdown, Tampa Bay touchdown TAMA and Devin.
Speaker 1: Tompkins has the catch shot at the goal line. Love
Speaker 1: it change with the call?
Speaker 2: W f us Baker's back, baby Oh. Three touchdown passes
Speaker 2: for the Bucks and despite yes, a surprise return for
Speaker 2: Derek Carr, the Saints offense did nothing. In Alvin Kamara's
Speaker 2: debut twenty six nine, the Bucks win on the road.
Speaker 2: Mark Baker was back in this one good Baker twenty
Speaker 2: five thirty two, two forty six. What I mean, how
Speaker 2: does car And we know Carr is a tough dude,
Speaker 2: but you gotta you gotta know when not to play.
Speaker 2: Like did he look like a guy with a sprained
Speaker 2: ac joint? Like how do you play with that and
Speaker 2: be effective?
Speaker 4: Give him like a lot of credit for for going
Speaker 4: out there, and it surprised me that he was just
Speaker 4: like you and like, uh, the whole offense looked completely unhinged.
Speaker 4: I mean, he he did look affected. It's not the
Speaker 4: same way that I watched Burrow and feel that I'm
Speaker 4: seeing the physical effect. It wasn't like he was win
Speaker 4: seen in pain left and right. But to your point,
Speaker 4: because we talked about this, were one of the weirdest
Speaker 4: stats in this game is like Alvin McCarty, Alvin Kamara
Speaker 4: had thirteen catches for thirty three yards. They had nothing
Speaker 4: going on through the air.
Speaker 1: Hit me with another rosie. Wow, Wow what what wait?
Speaker 1: Say that sat again?
Speaker 7: Thirteen catches for thirty three yards.
Speaker 1: That's not no. You got this professional podcast.
Speaker 2: You got to get the status, right, Mark, that's actually
Speaker 2: had no like that, that is that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 4: And they like Chris alave he had one Chris Alavey
Speaker 4: had one catch for four yards.
Speaker 7: I just it was. It was a terrible performance.
Speaker 4: I give a lot of the credit though, to the
Speaker 4: Bucks defense, guys like Vitave with two sacks today, Shaq
Speaker 4: Barrett shutting down the run, Antoine Winfield had a really
Speaker 4: nice third down breakup. They kept ending drives card fifty
Speaker 4: yards at half. This like we keep seeing this every week,
Speaker 4: they're saying. And you get Baker Mayfield playing. I was
Speaker 4: trying to think, like what game has he played?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: He looked better to me, and I can think of
Speaker 4: maybe the playoff win over the Steelers with Cleve when
Speaker 4: a couple of his early performances, like in twenty eighteen
Speaker 4: when he was like no one knew that Rams game last,
Speaker 4: there's that that was like, so he'll do this when
Speaker 4: he's good. He's like seeing the field really well and
Speaker 4: like that play right there, it's like he could have
Speaker 4: forced to throw earlier. He had a lot of time
Speaker 4: to throw in the replay that we came in with
Speaker 4: and made a really spot on throw and I thought
Speaker 4: that he used today and he's been doing this week
Speaker 4: after week two big down, big third down conversions with
Speaker 4: his legs.
Speaker 7: And then he had another one where he had a run.
Speaker 4: That basically set up a field goal that put them
Speaker 4: up seventeen to six and kind of separated this game.
Speaker 4: And that's when it started to end for them. And
Speaker 4: I just think, like, you know, Mike Evans left and
Speaker 4: the before that's before the third quarter with a hamstring injury.
Speaker 4: You take out the one weapon that like he's really
Speaker 4: like been in chemistry with and it didn't really seem
Speaker 4: to change much. He just found new guys and I
Speaker 4: don't know if this is a Baker you get. They're
Speaker 4: alone atop the NFC South at three and one. I
Speaker 4: don't know if I can take them for real, but
Speaker 4: they outclassed the Saints.
Speaker 1: It's a great sign. This morning I was feeling pretty dangerous.
Speaker 2: It's a great sign that Baker had his come down
Speaker 2: to Earth game on Monday night and then it didn't spiral,
Speaker 2: and then Baker disappeared for like.
Speaker 3: Right, And it wasn't a crazy bad right, it was
Speaker 3: just it.
Speaker 2: Wasn't brutal by any stretch. And let's listen, we've seen
Speaker 2: enough that that's coming. There will be times where he
Speaker 2: does have uh funks, but maybe, just maybe he's in
Speaker 2: the right division with the right schedule where there's gonna
Speaker 2: be more good than bad this season.
Speaker 3: Well, I thought all off season that the Saints were
Speaker 3: trying to genetically engineer the roster to win this division,
Speaker 3: like nine to eight, ten and seven, like have a
Speaker 3: defense that can you know, be special enough against these offenses.
Speaker 3: But maybe, But that's what I mean. The Bucks are
Speaker 3: kind of taking that. And that's why I said at
Speaker 3: the beginning of the show, I'm always wary of the
Speaker 3: defense first teams, because Saints fans were convinced this defense
Speaker 3: was special and in twenty twenty three, in the end,
Speaker 3: like your defense probably isn't that special, Like it's solid,
Speaker 3: It's gonna be solid, but it's not gonna be special enough.
Speaker 3: It's gonna come down to your offense. And their offense
Speaker 3: with Derek Carr looks a lot like their offense with
Speaker 3: Andy Dawn. In fact, it's worse in a lot of
Speaker 3: ways because of their offensive line. And I know Car's
Speaker 3: injury was a big factor here. He had three point
Speaker 3: four yards per attempt. They said it wasn't after the game,
Speaker 3: but it probably probably was. But their offensive line has
Speaker 3: been a mess all four weeks, and the passing game
Speaker 3: has been disjointed all four weeks, like before cards injury too,
Speaker 3: So I don't think you can just put it only
Speaker 3: on the Car injury.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's head to the a pair of loser
Speaker 2: goes home matches, starting with a showdown between the Vikings
Speaker 2: and Panthers and Charlotte.
Speaker 15: Two receivers left, Adam Thielen the outside receiver now joined
Speaker 15: by another, so three left and one to the right,
Speaker 15: Bryce Young facing a blitzing Harrison Smith and the ball games.
Speaker 9: Adam picked up by d Jay Wanham lost touchdown. D
Speaker 9: J Oneham's first national football League touchdown has tied the
Speaker 9: game at bir Jane.
Speaker 2: Best in the business, Paul Allen, KFA N Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a bit of a cliche in the business, but
Speaker 2: sometimes National Football.
Speaker 1: League just hits harder than the NFL.
Speaker 2: You're right, Harrison Smith had three sacks, including that sack
Speaker 2: that's set up the scoop and score by DJ Wanham,
Speaker 2: and the Vikings overcome a slow start to beat the
Speaker 2: Panthers twenty one thirteen, their first win of the season.
Speaker 1: The Panthers, oh and fourth end.
Speaker 2: My goodness, Mark Sessler, you had previously on the Thursday
Speaker 2: show locked up the Saints to take care of bag
Speaker 2: right for about twelve minutes. Very wise, you pivot out
Speaker 2: to the Vikings. I pivot out to the Vikings. The
Speaker 2: West Brothers pivot in to the Vikings, and we all
Speaker 2: go home happy. That's the big story of.
Speaker 1: This, that's right.
Speaker 5: Your your lock would.
Speaker 1: Be I had a double run, I had a double win.
Speaker 1: I had a double win. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, when you can lock up and owen three
Speaker 4: team on the road, you've got to do it. And
Speaker 4: that's what we did. And it looks really.
Speaker 2: I locked up two three teams in a way and
Speaker 2: got two dubs out of it. That's how history will
Speaker 2: remember me.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was shaky though.
Speaker 4: I was really concerned about for all of us early on,
Speaker 4: Like you got this version of Kirk Cousins and there
Speaker 4: have been a lot of turnovers. Kurt that whole offense
Speaker 4: right out of the gate on the first drive, third
Speaker 4: and goal, bad pass, Sam Franklin jumps, the route, goes
Speaker 4: ninety nine yards for a pick six. Cousins had another
Speaker 4: bad pick later that set up a big long field
Speaker 4: goal before half for the Panthers. So it was like,
Speaker 4: when is this Vikings offense? The reason I picked him
Speaker 4: was was like, even in these losses, they've been productive
Speaker 4: and Justin Jefferson had a big game today, but it
Speaker 4: took them a while to get out of it. But
Speaker 4: the Harrison Smith thing, and I'm glad that he was
Speaker 4: like on that replay because Harrison Smith showed me a
Speaker 4: lot about Bryce Young, who I think is struggling to
Speaker 4: see the field. He's behind a bad offensive line, but
Speaker 4: in two of his three sacks he came out of
Speaker 4: nowhere with a certain type of speed that I think
Speaker 4: at the college level, Bryce Young escapes and makes a
Speaker 4: play and not here not here, And it's just like,
Speaker 4: I like, we've talked about two other rookie quarterbacks that
Speaker 4: are vying for offensive Rookie of the Year, and I
Speaker 4: don't love what's around Bryce Young right now.
Speaker 7: He'll make a play here and.
Speaker 4: There, but it's just like we're four weeks in and
Speaker 4: I'm not really seeing it.
Speaker 7: I'm just not really seeing it.
Speaker 4: Like their offense, they got a good performance by a
Speaker 4: defense that basically set up ten points for them, and
Speaker 4: that's a lot for like a defense that's pretty banged up,
Speaker 4: and Bryce Young and the offense could do nothing with it.
Speaker 4: There was a really big chance in this game. With
Speaker 4: seven twenty to go in the fourth quarter, They're down
Speaker 4: twenty one to thirteen the Panthers and Bryce Young had
Speaker 4: a chance to drive them and make a couple of
Speaker 4: plays here and there. But he and by the way,
Speaker 4: he was sixteen for sixteen in the second half, And
Speaker 4: when that stat popped up, I was like, wait, what,
Speaker 4: it doesn't look like it to me at all.
Speaker 7: It just didn't look like it to me at all. Why.
Speaker 1: I guess there was just a lot of checkdowns.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just not big, big throw.
Speaker 3: Because they also went punt catastrophic fumble being out negative
Speaker 3: nine and then punt.
Speaker 1: They ate one hundred and twenty one yards after it.
Speaker 4: But Harrison Ford, Harrison Ford, Harrison Smith was a huge
Speaker 4: reason for that in the past rush of the Vikings
Speaker 4: in general, which under Brian Flores, I know, they were
Speaker 4: the worst defense in the league last year. There's certainly
Speaker 4: just responding to his teaching and who he is, and
Speaker 4: they made tight like life really tough for Bryce Shung.
Speaker 4: I'm be a little concerned about the journey of the
Speaker 4: rookie season at this point.
Speaker 2: And I think Greg you made the point earlier, like, yes,
Speaker 2: progress for the defense, but again, the opponent really helps
Speaker 2: make defenses look better as well, and Carolina just doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like it's happening right now. Frank Reich had a
Speaker 2: kind of a said postgame press conference where he said,
Speaker 2: you know, I know we're the team with the first round,
Speaker 2: first overall pick, but we're not.
Speaker 1: We don't view ourselves as this like big project.
Speaker 2: We want to have results now, and yet they're zero
Speaker 2: and four and obviously they're deep into a rebuild now.
Speaker 5: Well, he's sick of taking else.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's been a lot he lost a bunch
Speaker 3: of straight games before getting fired in Indianapolis, and now
Speaker 3: four straight here and I think you heard on the
Speaker 3: Paul Allen call. That was the sound of an announcer
Speaker 3: who's also a big Vikings fan who wants this team
Speaker 3: to be relevant, feeling like, oh, that is a season
Speaker 3: saving play. Maybe by want them because their offense isn't
Speaker 3: getting anything done. Their defense scored a touch on Now
Speaker 3: our defense answered, and it would have been lights out
Speaker 3: for the Vikings at zero to four. And who knows
Speaker 3: what happens from here, but at least he got a
Speaker 3: little wife at one.
Speaker 1: All right, let's head to the other loser goes home.
Speaker 1: Match thirty one to twenty eight.
Speaker 16: Denver third and thirteen bearers from Chicago forty seven, thirty
Speaker 16: eight seconds to go, no timeouts, three to the left,
Speaker 16: single receiver right fields, tries to draw the Broncos off side.
Speaker 16: They bring the house, feels in the pocket, throws a
Speaker 16: ball that is.
Speaker 9: In complete out of dennerceptic intercept Kareem Jackson, and this.
Speaker 16: One is gonna be the Broncos first win of the year.
Speaker 16: Denver only has two interceptions in four games.
Speaker 1: Kareem has both.
Speaker 16: Of them, but this one is huge because it is
Speaker 16: sealed the Broncos first victory of the year.
Speaker 1: That's Dave Logan on the call for ko A.
Speaker 2: Justin Fields started out incredibly on Sunday with one of
Speaker 2: the best first halfs you'll see really ever, in dominating
Speaker 2: getting the Bears out to a huge lead over the Broncos.
Speaker 1: But to Denver's credit, they came.
Speaker 2: Roaring back in the second half, outscoring Chicago twenty four
Speaker 2: to seven, and they steal it thirty one to twenty
Speaker 2: eight at a soldier field that sounded like a tomb there.
Speaker 3: Well, they were frothily booing the hell out of Matt
Speaker 3: Iberflus for some fourth down decisions, and then certainly as
Speaker 3: the game ended, the shot of Fields just staring blankly
Speaker 3: on the bench while the Booze were just cascading down
Speaker 3: was tough to take because, ouch it, it was such
Speaker 3: a bad luck game for him. He played so well.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a perfect first half, it was a perfect
Speaker 3: three quarters. At the end of three quarters, he was
Speaker 3: twenty three for twenty four for two hundred and eighty
Speaker 3: five yards in four touchdowns. That one incompletion was a
Speaker 3: hail Mary attempt. And I know, and I know people
Speaker 3: will say, well, it is the Broncos. The Broncos are disasters,
Speaker 3: and I get it, but there were some absolute dimes
Speaker 3: in this game by him against the Blitz under pressure.
Speaker 3: There was him going through Reids and getting the ball
Speaker 3: out on time.
Speaker 5: He really was really impressive.
Speaker 3: And then the Bears defense shows up and I put
Speaker 3: this a little more on eber flos to the defense.
Speaker 3: It's twenty eight to seven at that point, they gave
Speaker 3: up a long touchdown drive. The Bears finally don't have
Speaker 3: a good drive. They go three and now, but you
Speaker 3: know it happens. They give up another long touchdown drive.
Speaker 3: Then then Fields has it. You want to settle the
Speaker 3: game down and this is where your heart started to
Speaker 3: break for him. His next two possessions were he holds
Speaker 3: onto the ball too long, kind of a classic Fields thing.
Speaker 3: Jonathan Cooper, his friend who was going to exchange jerseys
Speaker 3: with after the audume I think they were roommates, sack fumble,
Speaker 3: they return it thirty five yards to tie. Cooper returns
Speaker 3: it and then it's like, okay, man, everything's on you
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 5: He goes, you know, can you answer it?
Speaker 3: You go on this long drive, you get all the
Speaker 3: way down the field in scoring position to take the
Speaker 3: lead in uber flues instead of kicking the field goal
Speaker 3: to take the lead would have been I think about
Speaker 3: a forty yard are pretty short forty two. Decides to
Speaker 3: go for it on fourth down, Snotfield, who had a
Speaker 3: great drive, He hands it off, they get stuffed, Broncos
Speaker 3: tack on a field goal, and then on the final
Speaker 3: drive for fields that it's that interception where Coolcomet said
Speaker 3: after the game it was a miscommunication where they were
Speaker 3: thinking one guy was going to run the route, and
Speaker 3: it was just like, man, you feel for this dude
Speaker 3: after such a great start to have a total disaster
Speaker 3: of an ending.
Speaker 1: And credit the Broncos and Sean Payton.
Speaker 2: They're down twenty eight to seven late in the third
Speaker 2: quarter and they are the laughing stock of the league
Speaker 2: after a seventy to twenty last week. So there's obviously
Speaker 2: some fight in that in that on that roster to
Speaker 2: be able to do what they did here.
Speaker 1: At greg game.
Speaker 2: And I don't know Russell Wilson did he did he
Speaker 2: ball out here late in this game? How did they
Speaker 2: manage to pull off a very unlikely comeback?
Speaker 3: He played well, making short throws and Julia McLoughlin is
Speaker 3: a player I don't I don't know what his sizes,
Speaker 3: but yeah, he can move. Like he had seven catch
Speaker 3: seven rushes for seventy two yards. I think they're afraid
Speaker 3: of using him too much because he's so small. In
Speaker 3: three catches for thirty two yards, there was a lot
Speaker 3: of run after the catch, like, not many big plays.
Speaker 3: Mims had his like weekly big play. But yeah, their
Speaker 3: offense has been pretty efficient in general. Nothing that blows
Speaker 3: your sock.
Speaker 1: Wilson's box score is stellar.
Speaker 5: I mean, I look at good yea. I mean it's guy.
Speaker 1: Just look at his counting numbers this year. He's having
Speaker 1: a good year.
Speaker 2: Yes, not exactly like he's not old Russ, but he's,
Speaker 2: like we said on Thursday, not the problem.
Speaker 3: If they had a good defense and their offense is
Speaker 3: playing well enough to win. They lost Javonte Williams to
Speaker 3: a hip injury in this game pretty early. That's partly
Speaker 3: why McLoughlin h ended up playing so much. But the
Speaker 3: way it ended it just did still feel like Bart's
Speaker 3: were the story because you had eber Flu's answered questions
Speaker 3: about Chase Claypool, who was a healthy scratch and he
Speaker 3: was saying he was saying that that it was Claypool's
Speaker 3: decision to stay home. He didn't show up for the game,
Speaker 3: But then the team released a statement that was counter
Speaker 3: to what Iberflu said that they actually told them to
Speaker 3: stay home. And my read of the situation is they're
Speaker 3: trying to trade him, and they're trying to not make
Speaker 3: him look like a bad guy.
Speaker 5: But it's like too late.
Speaker 3: You're too many bear statements this year that go against
Speaker 3: what guy it is.
Speaker 4: It's a weekly drama and they and he he's the
Speaker 4: second player to publicly critique the coaching And like, I
Speaker 4: guess my thing is, you've got this young general manager
Speaker 4: that is here to rebuild the team. It's obviously a
Speaker 4: just looking not going well right now. He picked Ebrafluse,
Speaker 4: But in any other environment, I wouldn't be surprised that
Speaker 4: like Eberflus was dismissed like tomorrow, like this has gone
Speaker 4: about as poorly as possible.
Speaker 7: I don't know who you'd replay.
Speaker 3: I think he was a health of these guys because
Speaker 3: he criticized the I don't but I don't mean no idea.
Speaker 4: In the Claypool thing, it's like the fourth down decision today,
Speaker 4: but overall the Eberflus experience that it's been terrible.
Speaker 2: Regan pointed out, well, they also just had a part
Speaker 2: ways with their DC, So who is even the guy
Speaker 2: that goes into that spot and you kind of need that.
Speaker 2: It's not great. Yeah, none of it's great. All right, Okay,
Speaker 2: one more game.
Speaker 9: McKinnon is the running back for the right of Mahomes
Speaker 9: on third don and eight.
Speaker 1: Now they flare him out.
Speaker 7: They're gonna throw it.
Speaker 9: Here, McKinnon, Are Mahomes stepped up? He's at the ten
Speaker 9: angle at the five. Mahomes goes down at the two,
Speaker 9: slanting on his hip McKinnon style like Super Bowl fifty seven.
Speaker 9: As Mahomes goes down at the two and should effect
Speaker 9: in the game, gaining nine yards on third down and eight.
Speaker 2: The call from Mitch Holds Chiefs radio, all right, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be professional here or do my best because that
Speaker 2: should not have ever happened. Okay, because minutes earlier, third
Speaker 2: and twenty, a generous holding call unsauced Gardner kept a
Speaker 2: chief S drive alive that ended with Mahomes's slide there
Speaker 2: for the first down that allowed the Chiefs to run
Speaker 2: out the rest of the clock and edged the New
Speaker 2: York Jets twenty three to twenty at the Meadowlands in
Speaker 2: front of Taylor.
Speaker 1: Swift and the world.
Speaker 2: The Chiefs jumped out to a seventeen to nothing lead
Speaker 2: after the first quarter. The Jets came roaring back behind
Speaker 2: surprisingly sound play from Zach Wilson, but the Jets offense
Speaker 2: petered out in the second half after an opening touchdown,
Speaker 2: and the Chiefs made the big plays down the st
Speaker 2: and yes, got some big calls as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that call was unfortunate because you wanted to see
Speaker 3: Zach Wilson, who had played an up and down game,
Speaker 3: but there were definitely ups. There were more ups than
Speaker 3: we've seen out of him in a long time. You
Speaker 3: wanted to see him down six get that chance in
Speaker 3: a big spot. Their defense had been holding the fort
Speaker 3: so well after it was seventeen nothing, but after they
Speaker 3: do make that penalty, It's just like, how many times
Speaker 3: am I going to see Patrick Mahomes win win a
Speaker 3: game with his legs They showed I think he had
Speaker 3: rushed for eleven first downs before those last two. That
Speaker 3: was before he ran for the third and twenty three
Speaker 3: twenty five yard play, And that's the one that's gonna
Speaker 3: stick with me a little bit because it reminded you
Speaker 3: so much of the Super Bowl. And he ends up
Speaker 3: sliding down on that play where there was also a
Speaker 3: penalty by the Jets to pick up twenty five yards,
Speaker 3: and it's just like, if he doesn't kill you one way,
Speaker 3: he's going to kill you another.
Speaker 5: Even on a night where he made some big miss.
Speaker 4: They referenced the Super Bowl and it's like, I go
Speaker 4: back to the James Bradbury defensive call that was so
Speaker 4: pivotal in that game last February, and mahomes on his
Speaker 4: feet and just thought, the Jets defense, this is kind
Speaker 4: of like everything you would have hoped for from the
Speaker 4: Jets for five to six of the way when you
Speaker 4: lost Aaron Rodgers, that Zach Wilson would start to become
Speaker 4: this guy. And like there was one hopeful thing I
Speaker 4: thought at the end of this that all his teammates
Speaker 4: were coming up to him and they recognized the every
Speaker 4: put it in that fumble that was like the one
Speaker 4: little Zach Wilson asked thing that took away from a
Speaker 4: really superb night and what could have just been like
Speaker 4: these games come down to these one these little moments
Speaker 4: and this should have had it just fel like it
Speaker 4: should have.
Speaker 7: Been a completely different story.
Speaker 4: But you are dealing with the Chiefs, who in that
Speaker 4: final quarter ate up seven minutes and twenty three seconds
Speaker 4: on a field goal drive, and then seven minutes and
Speaker 4: twenty four seconds to end the game on that final
Speaker 4: flag ridden march, and it's like, that's what they do,
Speaker 4: that's what they do in these games. And it's like
Speaker 4: they made they made Mahomes uncomfortable. Early in this game,
Speaker 4: he threw one of his worst interceptions, like Travis Kelsey,
Speaker 4: vanished for thirty three minutes.
Speaker 7: It was all there until that holding call.
Speaker 2: So at the end of the game, in the final
Speaker 2: seconds after the Mahomes slide, Robert Salah gets flagged for
Speaker 2: unsportsmanlike conduct and then they run the rest of the clock.
Speaker 2: And I kind of wish we could hear his press
Speaker 2: conference right now, because I understand why he's so hot.
Speaker 2: This has been an extremely, extremely heartbreaking season for everyone
Speaker 2: associated with the Jets, with everything that happened with Rogers.
Speaker 2: Even though Aaron Rodgers is in the building and he's
Speaker 2: telling him what's the stark He plans to be back
Speaker 2: this season, but you're one and three and one in
Speaker 2: three is what it is, and you're in a lot
Speaker 2: of trouble right now with some more tough games coming
Speaker 2: up on your schedule after Denver next week. But the
Speaker 2: reason he's so fired up and so upset, First of all, yes,
Speaker 2: was there contact on that play the third and twenty
Speaker 2: with Sauce. Yeah, there was some contact, but it was
Speaker 2: both ways. It is definitely not a does not to
Speaker 2: me rise to the level of taking the flag out
Speaker 2: and make a game changing Oh oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: the result of that play was an interception by Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2: So not only do you wave off a third and
Speaker 2: twenty and turn into a first down, you wave off
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes' third interception that sets up the Jets with
Speaker 2: the ball with I guess what about three minutes to
Speaker 2: play down a.
Speaker 3: Theory on that he threw the flag so late it
Speaker 3: almost was like he saw it, he wasn't maybe gonna
Speaker 3: call it. Then there's an interception and he's like, well,
Speaker 3: I guess I better call it, and.
Speaker 1: Maybe that is listen, which actually find job.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and say
Speaker 2: that the Jets got booned because Patrick McK mahomes is
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes and the refs have to watch out for Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Although I.
Speaker 3: Mean to say that that impacted the interception, which it
Speaker 3: did on some level, but should they have called it,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the reason why Saul is probably gonna get
Speaker 2: fined in his postgame presser on top of what happened
Speaker 2: at the end is because he knows what it took
Speaker 2: for this team to be down seventeen to nothing, to
Speaker 2: fight back the way they did, to be kind of
Speaker 2: kicked and spit on after everything that's gone down and
Speaker 2: feel like you have a chance to save your season,
Speaker 2: and it felt like it got ripped out of their hands. Now,
Speaker 2: I'll say this as terrible as that ending was anti climactic,
Speaker 2: and we know what Zach Wilson is and what he's not,
Speaker 2: the chances that he goes down the field and wins
Speaker 2: that game very slim. However, it would have been fun
Speaker 2: to see what would have happened like that, and that's
Speaker 2: what you kind of you lose in this game. But
Speaker 2: the Jets had when the game got to twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: after they get the touchdown and the two point conversion
Speaker 2: on a great drive by Wilson where he made some
Speaker 2: big throws and then a great scramble on the two
Speaker 2: point conversion. They had the ball twice, once near midfield
Speaker 2: after a I believe in Mahomes pick and did nothing
Speaker 2: with it, and then again after a long breeze haul
Speaker 2: run set them up in Chiefs territory twenty twenty. They
Speaker 2: then go one, two, three and punt and that was
Speaker 2: really it for their opportunities to win this game. So
Speaker 2: it was there for them beyond what you might kind
Speaker 2: of take out of this game, and they just weren't
Speaker 2: ready to step up and grab it.
Speaker 1: And that's frustrating as well.
Speaker 4: There are these like little moments like the Breese Hall run,
Speaker 4: which to me looked like this is going to be
Speaker 4: a touchdown run and changed this thing, And there was
Speaker 4: a great tackle by Brian Cook, a plus tackle. I mean,
Speaker 4: this is the kind of game where if the Jets
Speaker 4: were at a different point in their season and had
Speaker 4: a better record, you could be like, this is positive,
Speaker 4: we can take a lot away from it, but it's like,
Speaker 4: what else needs to happen to this organization in this
Speaker 4: team this season? Like it was a backbreaking kind of
Speaker 4: loss that like I wish I could see Zach Wilson
Speaker 4: in a final drive because the way he threw the balls,
Speaker 4: like Alan Lazarre tonight and others, like some of his throws,
Speaker 4: we just haven't seen that from Zach Wilson on a
Speaker 4: consistent basis. He played his best game and maybe it
Speaker 4: would have been a different story.
Speaker 3: It was good pass protection, I thought from the Jets,
Speaker 3: and maybe that's why they were so tempted to go
Speaker 3: so pass heavy, But the better running team won the ball.
Speaker 3: When you were talking about Pajetco, I'm thinking the Chiefs
Speaker 3: don't win this game without Pajetco, not just the long touchdown,
Speaker 3: but the way he was breaking tackles, how he can
Speaker 3: grind down defense is late in clock, like the Chiefs
Speaker 3: haven't always had that, and they were absolutely the like tougher,
Speaker 3: better running team. And when they had the ball the
Speaker 3: Jets those two times to potentially go ahead, when the
Speaker 3: defense is just flying at that point, they're getting stop
Speaker 3: after stopt after stopping Mahomes, they went really passive. He
Speaker 3: was basically pass every single down. Maybe one Dalvin Cook
Speaker 3: run in there for a couple of yards, and that
Speaker 3: that's a lot to put on Zach Wilson. To me,
Speaker 3: it's like they need to have a running game and
Speaker 3: a defense. Tonight they had a defense was good enough,
Speaker 3: and you got it improved.
Speaker 5: Zach Wilson. I think he's slowly getting better. That gives
Speaker 5: you a.
Speaker 2: Little defensive line has been a lot better, right, I
Speaker 2: got a run was better. The pass protection I thought
Speaker 2: was excellent for much of this game, which you know,
Speaker 2: the quarterback playing well when the pass protection better. There's
Speaker 2: a correlation there. My last thoughts on this game that again,
Speaker 2: extremely frustrating, because you find a way to steal this game,
Speaker 2: and your season just feels totally different. And you got
Speaker 2: Denver coming up and all of a sudden, maybe you're like, hmm, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe we can hang around, and then the Rogers talk,
Speaker 2: and it still feels something like there's something here. One
Speaker 2: in three feels totally different. But I'm just like, as
Speaker 2: a Jets fan, I'm I talked about it all week.
Speaker 2: I felt really ominous vibes about this game, and I
Speaker 2: thought it was going to be an utter humiliation for
Speaker 2: the fan base, and I felt really bad.
Speaker 1: I told my brother not to go to.
Speaker 5: The game, and it was seventeen nothing he didn't go
Speaker 5: to the game.
Speaker 2: This is seventeen nothing in the first quarter, very quickly,
Speaker 2: and the fact that they fought back made it a game,
Speaker 2: had a lot of energy in that building. It's a
Speaker 2: small victory for me, but just the fact that they
Speaker 2: were not horrifically embarrassed in primetime and it wasn't just
Speaker 2: this Taylor swift and the Jets suck.
Speaker 1: Isn't that funny.
Speaker 2: I'll take a little bit of a w there, but
Speaker 2: that's the only one I can take. I hate how
Speaker 2: the game ended, and and that's it. I can't say much.
Speaker 7: The one thing I'd say, I don't need to say
Speaker 7: much more.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 4: One little ray of hope is that this is like
Speaker 4: a two year journey with Aaron Rodgers, this whole coming
Speaker 4: back this season.
Speaker 7: We'll see.
Speaker 4: But it's like it's important that this team stays together
Speaker 4: and like doesn't completely sail away, and that the coaching
Speaker 4: staff shows who they can be. And this game result
Speaker 4: frustrating as can be, but it's kind of by like
Speaker 4: Thursday or Friday. You can take some positives from it.
Speaker 4: There is a lot there's a long way to go,
Speaker 4: and like I see a team that is not given
Speaker 4: up on their coach.
Speaker 1: I agree, well, we'll see what happens. A lot of
Speaker 1: football left, a lot of season left.
Speaker 2: Good stuff Today Sunday, Thank you to Eric and Randy
Speaker 2: behind the Glass.
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