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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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Speaker 2: I grew up around all athletes around my house all

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Speaker 2: the time, just giants, and I mean they would be

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Speaker 2: around the house or come see my dad, or comfort

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Speaker 2: thanksgiving her, you know, whatever it was. But I grew

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Speaker 2: up on the business side, so I always understood how

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Speaker 2: devastating losing can be on that level. I guess in

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Speaker 2: a way it's given me a really global perspective on sports,

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Speaker 2: which honestly, the average probably commentator doesn't really have.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Alex, this episode of the deal a little

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Speaker 1: bit different because we got out of the studio and

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Speaker 1: into a live audience. So Hannah Storm, she's a thirty

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Speaker 1: year sports media veteran. She has a singular perspective on sports,

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Speaker 1: business and culture. I had watched her on TV forever,

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Speaker 1: I had met her once, you know her a little bit.

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Speaker 1: What did you think?

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Speaker 3: First of all, I was a huge fan, like you.

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Speaker 3: I remember even graduating from high school and watching her

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Speaker 3: on TV. I just thought that she was a superstar

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Speaker 3: because back in those days, Sports Center was everything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's also fascinating because you really can

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Speaker 1: track the explosion of sports as just a key part

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Speaker 1: of the culture. Through her career. And this is one

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Speaker 1: of the things I found so interesting, especially given your

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Speaker 1: relatively new role as an owner of a basketball team,

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Speaker 1: that she was at the white hot center of the

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Speaker 1: NBA's nineteen nineties explosion into the zeitgeist. She was NBA

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Speaker 1: on NBC when those were the games that people were

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Speaker 1: really discovering at this critical moment for the league where

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Speaker 1: Jordan gives way to Kobe and Shaq and Ron and

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Speaker 1: she has sort of ridden that all the way through.

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Speaker 1: But she also had this really interesting moment where she

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Speaker 1: left sports all together. She goes to morning television and

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Speaker 1: now she's back in our lives in sports. And the

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Speaker 1: other thing that I will say, she's hilarious. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she is so funny.

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Speaker 3: Yes, she is funny. And I loved the live audience

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Speaker 3: and they were great. Yeah, they enjoyed it. She talked

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Speaker 3: about the good, the bad, and the ugly in her

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Speaker 3: career that's been over three decades. And some of the highs,

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Speaker 3: of course, was Michael Jordan and some of the great

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Speaker 3: stories and how much she admired Michael. You hear some

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Speaker 3: great stories there that I've never heard before. And then

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Speaker 3: some low moments in baseball in the dugout with Albert Bell,

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Speaker 3: a lot from there as well.

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Speaker 1: And also, you know, as you mentioned, a pioneer in

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Speaker 1: media and someone who you know, had the wherewithal as

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Speaker 1: she went on with her career to sort of take

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Speaker 1: control of that. You know, she's been at the core

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Speaker 1: of something that obviously is very interesting to both of

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Speaker 1: us and me. Talk about where your world and mind

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Speaker 1: collide in terms of athletes, you know, telling their own story,

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Speaker 1: worries and how do you do that successfully, and her

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Speaker 1: ability to navigate those waters and navigate a media world

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Speaker 1: that is changing so dramatically practically on a daily basis.

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Speaker 1: I just I really really loved it.

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Speaker 3: On this episode of The Deal, Hannah Storm.

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Speaker 1: Without further ado, Hannah, come on out, Hannah Storm us

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Speaker 1: you die. Yay, Oh my gosh, thank you for doing this.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe that Alex is interviewing me.

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Speaker 1: So great. So we have so much to talk to

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Speaker 1: you about, but let's talk about the current if we can.

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Speaker 1: We all care a lot about basketball. Yes, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about how you grew up with it, but can

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Speaker 1: we take a moment to talk about basketball?

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Speaker 2: Okay, can we talk about your team, the Minnesota Timberwolves,

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Speaker 2: Like that's super exciting. I think it's great for the

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Speaker 2: of the the glamour teams. But you know, Minnesota's always

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Speaker 2: been in it right there. But I'm super excited for

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Hannah, any new level you remember the early

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Speaker 3: days with the Mariners.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: I always find it great when a city or a

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Speaker 3: And I'm going to tell you Minnesota, is that only

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Speaker 4: They're giddy. It's an exciting time. So thank you.

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Speaker 2: See, as an owner, you like those sellouts. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a different conversation. But what is it

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Speaker 2: So to our point, talking about the Wolves are talking

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Speaker 2: I think it's great to have the Celtics, great to

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Speaker 2: downslide now, like we don't know what's going to happen

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Speaker 2: with them at this point. We always have the Lakers, right.

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Speaker 2: The New York teams have struggled for relevance, which has

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Speaker 2: been disappointing. I mean at times like the Knicks have

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Speaker 2: the big markets are doing well. But I think what's

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Speaker 2: really exciting for me was seeing Denver win the title

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Speaker 2: one of the four teams that came over in the merger.

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Speaker 2: That is a great basketball town. To your point, there

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Speaker 2: are fan bases that are absolutely rabid hoops fan bases.

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Speaker 2: Those fans have always been there, So yes, I do

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Speaker 2: think I love the parody that we're seeing. Even though

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Speaker 2: I would say the teams on both coasts, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'll throw Philly in there, they get a lot of

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Speaker 2: the attention, a lot of the media attention, and we

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Speaker 2: winning the titles. So I think it was a good

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Speaker 2: lesson for everybody, like, you know, let's talk about these

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Speaker 2: other teams, let's develop these stars. Unfortunately, we just kind

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Speaker 2: of sometimes fall into the same old patterns with the

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Speaker 3: Staying along the same lines of the NBA and parody.

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Speaker 3: Over the last two three decades, you've seen a lot

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Speaker 3: of front offices, teams culture. Obviously, we talk a lot

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Speaker 3: about the Miami Heat, maybe mentioned two or three. They

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Speaker 3: do a really good job with their continuity, their leadership,

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Speaker 2: Oh, pat Riley unbelievable championship coach has kept that Miami

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Speaker 2: team relevant for so long. You know, you're right there.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's unbelievable, not just bringing the Big three in,

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Speaker 2: leaders like getting Jimmy Butler there was like a game changer, right,

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Speaker 2: he could have stayed in Philly. But I think that

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Speaker 2: pat Riley has been able to sustain and build a

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Speaker 2: I do think the Warriors have been a very well

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Speaker 4: In a smaller Marcus san Antonio obviously.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, Greg Popovich, yeah, thank you, thank you. I

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Speaker 2: mean I covered san Antonio back. I mean I was

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Speaker 2: there in like the Dennis Rodman days of san Antonio

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Speaker 2: sustained excellence. That's a great example.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go all the way back. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is and we're going to talk about a new

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Speaker 1: podcast you have later on. But your DNA is nba

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Speaker 1: aba they even so like all the way back, yeah,

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Speaker 1: all the way back. I mean you you were effectively

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Speaker 2: No, my dad was a sports executive. He was in

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Speaker 2: the Marine Corps, but he always loved sports. He played

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Speaker 2: he was in the Marine Corps. He had helped to

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Speaker 2: heard of that. We were in Chicago. He really wanted

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Speaker 2: to get into sports and the local team at the time,

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Speaker 2: the Chicago Zephyrs. They he was reading in the paper

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Speaker 2: were like, sure, what do we have to And so

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Speaker 2: that's how he got his start in basketball. And then

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Speaker 2: we were in Baltimore, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Louisville, Memphis, Atlanta, Houston,

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Speaker 2: all different basketball teams. He was in baseball with the Astros.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he did all sorts of crazy stuff, but

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Speaker 2: mostly basketball. And he ended up being commissioner of the

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Speaker 2: old ABA and setting the ABA and the NBA up

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Speaker 2: I can remember, when it was in a school night,

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Speaker 2: we were at games. Yeah, And what I really remembers

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Speaker 2: she used to yell at the referees all the time, like, yell,

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Speaker 2: the ress. So I remember the rest all their names distinctly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So tell us about that, I mean, what was it?

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Speaker 1: What was it like? Because we have this picture, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean picture the NBA slam dunks came from the ABA.

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Speaker 2: So slam dunks were not allowed in the NCAA or

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Speaker 2: you're thinking about players who came out of like Doctor

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Speaker 2: were not allowed to do anywhere other than the ABA.

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Speaker 2: Three pointers those came from the ABA. Now a lot

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Speaker 2: lot of basketball peers that don't like that. But the

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Speaker 2: three pointer came from their cheerleaders, crazy halftimes, fun halftimes.

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Speaker 2: make it super entertaining, right, So think about all those

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Speaker 2: the NBA. So when you think about like personal empowerment,

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Speaker 2: like player empowerment, like those things. For the first time

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Speaker 2: or the NBA. So hey, I can negotiate a little, right.

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Speaker 3: I do have to say one little story back when

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Speaker 3: I was with the Mariners. I played with the Mariners

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Speaker 3: was my last year there. So I remember back in

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Speaker 3: those days, Hannah showed up to one of the stadiums

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Speaker 3: national media. And Hannah showed up early one day and

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Speaker 3: we were all Strett's storm in Griffy Saying and Edgar

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Speaker 4: I mean that.

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Speaker 4: How was he?

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Speaker 2: so Michael and everybody in the NBA kind of followed him,

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00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 2: which was kind of cool. Well his behavior. Oh yes,

436
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 2: And so we have the Charlotte Hornets. A big thing

437
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 2: is Michael being from North Carolina. So they come in

438
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 2: to play. It's like this huge deal. Blah blah, blah

439
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 2: blah blah. And there I am, you know, in the

440
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 2: locker room at again and I you know, asked Michael

441
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 2: like for an interview and he calls me, ma'am. I'm

442
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 2: literally like twenty three. But it was like that southern

443
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 2: you know, like like like he was like so polite,

444
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: and he was like so incredible to me. He was

445
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 2: so gentlemanly, and everybody else just was like whoa like

446
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: followed in line. And that was even though a Mod

447
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: was his bestie and he did his one on ones

448
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: with a Mod. He was just exceedingly like that way

449
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: in general. And NBA locker rooms were by far the best,

450
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: by far the best to cover. I mean for me

451
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 2: as a woman, and a lot of the guys had

452
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: the opportunity to maybe go to college at least back then,

453
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 2: they went to college for a lot longer, so they

454
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: had been a lot more used to media, big media

455
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: being around and that really helped too. Yeah, that really

456
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: helped in the NBA. But he was great.

457
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: But he does, you know, to Alex's point and to

458
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: your point, like he does set this new standard and

459
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: you know, it does usher in this different way that

460
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: we view not just basketball players, but athletes in general,

461
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: athletes as business people.

462
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: Well, Nike, Yeah, obviously the shoe deal, which is just

463
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 2: the greatest story of all time. Yeah, it was the

464
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: shoe deal. It was the shoes, it was the marketing,

465
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 2: it was I mean that that started it all.

466
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Speaker 3: It's crazy to think if you say Michael Jordan to

467
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: my daughters for you, yeah, we're both teenagers. He's more

468
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 3: synonymous with sneakers than basketball.

469
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: It is, well, people call him Jordan's right, they don't know.

470
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: And it's funny. I did a whole sneaker series for

471
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 2: Hulu called Grails that's really really fun. So Josh Luber,

472
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: who you guys know who he is, So he said

473
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Speaker 2: that he had a pair of Jordan's on and he

474
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: had like they had like a twenty three on the

475
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: back right, and he said, like some kid was like,

476
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Speaker 2: what what's that? Like why is that number on the

477
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: background there? To your point, like you have to go

478
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 2: to YouTube now, right, even if you're like, who's Michael Jordan? Right,

479
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: and the last dance still a lot, but I mean,

480
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: is it's really the Jordan brand?

481
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

482
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: Right, is almost and has is very separate from Michael

483
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Speaker 2: Jordan the athlete. Yeah, yeah, it was really a golfer now,

484
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 2: I mean he's like the golf. He has his you know,

485
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 2: he has grove, you know, his own golf course. I mean,

486
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 2: he's really into that. I usually see him at the

487
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: Ryder Cup. That's where we run into each other.

488
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Speaker 1: He just made a lot of money selling his basketball team. Well, yeah,

489
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: that's a good investment.

490
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it made a lot of money in the basketball too.

491
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: Apparently Alex is like, yeah, Mark, Mark Cuban so too.

492
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: I'm really interested to see what Mark does next because

493
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: I think that you know, he obviously he's obligated to

494
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 2: do Shark Tank for a while longer, but he's going

495
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 2: to step back from that. So I'm really fascinated to

496
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: see what like a real talk about a real trendsetter. Yeah,

497
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: another guy who's who we could have named earlier with

498
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 2: the Mavericks are always like right there in contention, and

499
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 2: he's always trying to keep them current and in contention.

500
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 2: But I'm fascinated to see what someone of that caliber. Yeah,

501
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 2: and a guy is always kind of forward thinking. I'm

502
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 2: really interested to see what he does next.

503
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: But to that point, I mean, and we're sitting here

504
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: with an NBA on our I mean that's the other

505
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: part of the business that has changed so dramatically to

506
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: the point where we have someone like this guy coming

507
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: in and being like, this is a good investment and

508
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: you know something that I can get behind. What do

509
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: you make of that? I mean as a business person,

510
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, you've started businesses, you've seen this. What do

511
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: you make of it?

512
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Speaker 2: Well, it's really interesting, I mean to me. So, I

513
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: grew up not with an athlete. I grew up around

514
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 2: all athletes around my house all the time, just giants,

515
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: and I mean they would be around the house. I

516
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 2: would come see my dad or comfort Thanksgiving or you

517
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: know whatever it was Christmas party. So I was always

518
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: very comfortable around athletes. But I grew up on the

519
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: business side, right, So I've always understood how devastating losing

520
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: can be on that level, how the criticism that you

521
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: take on that level. And I guess in a way

522
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: it's given me a really global perspective on sports, which honestly,

523
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,239
Speaker 2: the average probably commentator doesn't really have. And you know,

524
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: there's a lot of criticism, a lot of yelling, a

525
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: lot of I think a lot of people who don't

526
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: see at times the three six picture of what it takes, right.

527
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: It's not always as easy as oh, go out and

528
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: get this player. You need to do that, or you

529
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: need to do that or all the you know, I'm

530
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: speaking from a media standpoint of how we talk about owners, right,

531
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 2: and how we talk about general managers, and something that's

532
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 2: a really pet peeve of mine too is how we

533
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 2: like fire people, how we say they should be fired. Like,

534
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 2: that's just not okay, because you are talking about someone's livelihood, right,

535
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: and you can't throw coaches and coordinators and gms around

536
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: and owners around like punchlines.

537
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Speaker 1: Now.

538
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: I understand that there are times when owners deserve a

539
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 2: lot of criticisms something horrible like happen with the Clippers. Okay,

540
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 2: that's not what we're talking about here, but in general,

541
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: because your team isn't performing. I mean, there's a lot

542
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: of factors that go into that, including, by the way,

543
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: the athlete's you know, responsibility as well. You're dealing with

544
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: people's livelihoods. And what I understand being the other side

545
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: is a family. I've had for sale signs put in

546
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: our front yard by fans. Okay, so I understand that, right.

547
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 2: I've had my dad fired. I remember going to Atlanta,

548
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 2: being in high school, going to a new high school,

549
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: and to Turner firing my dad gm of the Hawks

550
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: like months later, by the way, for making a deal

551
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: that Ted didn't like, but that turned out to be

552
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: amazing for the Hawks. And I understand those things happen,

553
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: and I don't hold animosity, but I know what it's

554
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: like to be on the other side, So I guess

555
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 2: for me, I always try to be fair. And again,

556
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: you know, like call somebody, you know, call people a

557
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: bum or call them names or whatever, like that's just

558
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: not okay. It's just not like if they're not doing

559
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: a good job, they might lose their job eventually. It's

560
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: not to you to fire the guy. He doesn't take

561
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: a genius to see if a team isn't performing.

562
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Speaker 1: Coming up, we discussed Hannah's career shift, as well as

563
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: making the leap towards business ventures of her own. All right,

564
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: let's have a conversation about you some big transitions that

565
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: you make in the course of your career. One of

566
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: the biggest ones is being like, I'm going to go

567
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: try something that's not sports. Yeah, tell us about that,

568
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: that experience and that decision.

569
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean listen. I have been doing

570
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: this forty years in the business overall, and I just

571
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: don't think you can survive that long without being flexible

572
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 2: and open minded. So the NBN NBC ended and we

573
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: also lost the NFL, by the way, kind of all

574
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: in the same year. And I had always wanted to

575
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: do morning television. And the reason that I did is

576
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: because there were no women on television doing sports when

577
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: I was growing up. So literally the only women that

578
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: I had ever seen cover sports were morning television news hosts.

579
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: I didn't immediately go into sports because I also couldn't

580
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: get a job being a woman in sports. So my

581
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: first job was as a heavy metal DJ.

582
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Speaker 1: That's where Hannah Storm Cat, That's where my name.

583
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: Storm comes from. Yeah, and that was Corpus. Yeah. See

584
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: what I won by the sea, there's the storm coming

585
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: in late night? Still got it quiet, Ryan def Leppard

586
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: and Sammy Hagar like back to back to back. Anyway

587
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: I was. It was really relaxing, but yeah, and then

588
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: I went to Houston and did a radio and I

589
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: would spin records on the weekends and then did I

590
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: did morning and afternoon drive sports, and then I started

591
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: working for the astros for their station and the rocket stations.

592
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: That's kind of how I got started.

593
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Speaker 4: You know.

594
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: I majored in international studies at Notre Dame. So like,

595
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: I really liked the news. I just thought I wanted

596
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: to go into sports because sports is fun, you know

597
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: what I mean. But when that ended, I was like,

598
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: I had little kids, and I was like, I need

599
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: a job. I need a morning job. I need some job.

600
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: I just told my agent, I'm not going to be

601
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: gone in the afternoons. I don't want to be gone

602
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: all weekend they're in school. I want to be gone

603
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: the when they're gone, you know what I mean. If

604
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: they're going to get up and go to school, that's

605
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: when I want to be gone. And I want to work.

606
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: So we looked at morning only morning jobs, and CBS

607
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: was starting a new morning show, one of their many

608
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: iterations morning show. God. Gail King is obviously killing it.

609
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: And how was that different for you?

610
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: It's so different. It's pretty hardcore, but you know what

611
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: it was really good about it is doing sports. You

612
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: can add lib right, like you know, when we go

613
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: up there and talk, we don't have I mean, some

614
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: stuff is scripted. If you're leading to like a piece

615
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: and a director needs a world cue or something like that.

616
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: But for the most part, you're thinking on your feet, right,

617
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: you're reacting. I found that was like critical as a newsperson,

618
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: so I didn't come up like just reading the news,

619
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Then it's really hard to react.

620
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: So I found that I was like a really good interviewer.

621
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: I also was really used to not tipping my hand

622
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: about what I thought. I was used to complete and

623
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: total objectivity. I had also hosted notre Name Football and

624
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: I said, my boss was like, if I see one

625
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: glimmer in your eye little irish like happiness or whatever, you're.

626
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: Done, Like all right, good.

627
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: So I was like trained. So the good thing about

628
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: going into news is my personal views. And this is

629
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: back in the day when we didn't have like polarizing

630
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: news channels, definitely, and I was at the network and

631
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: they would always give me like all the good political

632
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: interviews because you could not tell if I was like

633
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: on one side or the other. You know, everyone would

634
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: get mad at you, of course, but it was really cool.

635
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: And then also like I got to do a ton

636
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: of cooking, so it became a really good cook which

637
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: is my other passion. And then we did a ton

638
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: of music, which I already knew. It was kind of

639
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: like my wheelhouse and I love that. Super fun and

640
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: then movie stars, and I mean it was a really

641
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: really cool job. I loved it.

642
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: Was there like one or two interviews that you were

643
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 3: you can think that you were really nervous, either before

644
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: or during.

645
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: I would say interviewing like President Bush. I would say

646
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: forty three. Yeah, just like going to the White House,

647
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: and I was like, pretty nervous.

648
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 4: What did you wear?

649
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: But that's a great question.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

651
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Speaker 2: I can't believe you were. Because so they have a

652
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: little softball game on the lawn and I was calling

653
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: their softball game later that day, so it's had to

654
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: be sporty. So I wore like really crisp white slacks

655
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: and just a white a white sweater.

656
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 4: What kind of shoes?

657
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: All white flats flats? Yeah, you brewe.

658
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 4: I love it ya.

659
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: And you know, he's so funny. He would always build

660
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: time into his day, so he ran a little early

661
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: or or right on time because he's kind of a

662
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: social guy, do you know how of course he did

663
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: with Rangers and all that. Right, So I have my

664
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: kids with me, and so you do all the you know,

665
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: you go in the line and you shake hands and

666
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and he's like, hey, y'all want to

667
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: like see the rose Garden And I was like, oh, okay,

668
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: so just like me, him and my three kids, like

669
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: we go and he's like showing them the rose Guard

670
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: and then he's like takes us in the oval office

671
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: and we're hanging out, like he's like showing them pictures

672
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: of his family, and I'm thinking, don't you have anything

673
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 2: to do? Like like what like what is happening here?

674
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: And he was like this so nice, like talking to

675
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: them out of nowhere, like magically, He's like, oh I

676
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: got a you know, I got a meeting or whatever.

677
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, like thank you so much.

678
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: This is great. And then like out of the blue

679
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: photographer appears, snapsnap, snap, and then like two days later

680
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: to your house. How do they find you? I don't know,

681
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: but is like autographed like pictures like for each kid.

682
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: I mean, it was like the coolest. It was one

683
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 2: of those like weird surreal experiences. But I got to say,

684
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: like before and I shouldn't have been because he's so

685
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: down to earth and genuine, but you know, I was

686
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: a little intimidating going to the White House right for

687
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: an interview, but it was fine, It was totally it was.

688
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: Great, and you got a tour of the Rose Guard.

689
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: So then you find your way back to sports.

690
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I got fired.

691
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: That's what I mean by find your way back. You

692
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: got like, yeah, exactly.

693
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: But I think that you know a lot of times

694
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: when people are making personnel changes, and they went they

695
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: made a three sixty, We're taken out everybody. So I

696
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: got fired. So that's okay because all my colleagues did.

697
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: We all left together, you know, one by one. And

698
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: at the time, ESPN was starting a daytime sports center.

699
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: They had never had sports center during the day. It

700
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: was all reruns from the night before, and they were

701
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: going to start a nine to noon sports center. They're

702
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: going to launch it. And I had the combination of

703
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: the sports and daytime television experience. Yeah.

704
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so when you get into that, you get

705
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: that job. The sports world has, you know, kept going,

706
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: and obviously you've you've kept an eye on what did

707
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: you notice that was either different about sports or maybe

708
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: more pointedly about sports and media.

709
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: That you could kind of talk a little bit more about.

710
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: You know, sort of who you liked or teams. It

711
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: was more personalized. What I noticed a lot about sports

712
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: media was that people were personalities and that they became

713
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: studio personalities. So I had always been you know, I'd

714
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: always like toe the line. The event is the thing, right,

715
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 2: the person you're interviewing is the thing. In news, it's

716
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: the story is the thing. It's always the story, the

717
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: story of the story.

718
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 4: You know.

719
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 2: I came to ESPN in particular people were developing themselves

720
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: as legitimate stars and just the way they delivered the

721
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: sports okay, which was really interesting.

722
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: Right.

723
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: So we had always had that on play by play.

724
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: I mean you mentioned Buck and Tim McCarver, Right, we'd

725
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: always had that kind of in the play by playworld.

726
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 2: We had these big stars, but it was the studio genre,

727
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: and so it was more like kind of what we

728
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: started at back when I was at CNN, Like that

729
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: had kind of exploded, right, And because ESPN was such

730
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: a national brand. I always call it like America's wallpaper,

731
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: Like you walk in, it's there, like it's on every TV,

732
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: it's on every bar, it's and then you know, like

733
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 2: in the airport. So these these personalities had been able

734
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 2: to like infuse a lot of humor and a lot

735
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: of just sort of their twist on things. And I

736
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: thought that was a really cool development in sports, and

737
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: obviously that's huge now.

738
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: Sure, right, yeah, sure. I also want to make sure

739
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: that we spend to be talking about your production company

740
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: because I know this is the world you've been playing in. Yeah, obviously,

741
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: you know we're all in this business to some extent.

742
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: How do you make the decision to do that and

743
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: how do you sort of create something that's that is

744
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: uniquely you?

745
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: Right? Well, when I left CBS, so as a news anchor,

746
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: there are certain things you can't do. I always felt

747
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 2: like I wanted a lot of control, you know, over

748
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: something in my life because that always worked for big,

749
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: big companies. So I'm like, okay, I have a control

750
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 2: in my house and bubba uah sometimes and I'd written

751
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: a couple of books because I knew like I could

752
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: do that that was like a creative outlet. But I

753
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 2: wanted something that I could control is not a good word.

754
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: I want something I could create on my own, like

755
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: kind of how I wanted to do it, right, So

756
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: I started two things. I started my foundation and I

757
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 2: started my production company. I kicked one of my daughters

758
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: out of her bedroom at the time and she went

759
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: into the other bedroom with her sister. So in this

760
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 2: little tiny bedroom, I took who I'd been working with

761
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: at CBS, Carmen Belmont, who's here, and we started the

762
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: two of us, which were still the two of us.

763
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: We started a production company and a foundation simultaneously before

764
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: I went to ESPN, so that I could grandfather it

765
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: into wherever I want. So there's this thing called Upfronts,

766
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: where which you guys know, but just for you guys.

767
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: It's like where all the advertisers come in and all

768
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: the TV stations and everybody introduces what they're doing to

769
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: all the advertisers. So they were introducing me at the upfronts,

770
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: and they were also introducing a film series called thirty

771
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: for thirty and I was like, ooh, that sounds interesting.

772
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: So I went up. A couple of weeks later at work,

773
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: I introduced myself to the gentleman who was running thirty

774
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 2: for thirty and I said, is there anything you don't

775
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: have or you just can't get? Is there anything you're like,

776
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: I know you have like two slots left, like anything

777
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: you can't get? Because I was thinking, Ooh, what do

778
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: they need? Maybe I can and they're like, well, we

779
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: don't have a women's film and we don't have a

780
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 2: tennis film. So I was like, oh, maybe I'll call

781
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: my friend Chrissy Evert and so I did one of

782
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: the original thirty for thirties, which was Chrissy and Martina. Yeah,

783
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 2: and then from there and that was a really cool,

784
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: great learning experience. Did I did branded content? I did

785
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: you know some nine for nine, I did you know

786
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,959
Speaker 2: Shaq and Dale. I did Danica for EPX, and last

787
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: year did my first ever series on a couple of

788
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: young black entrepreneurs Eastside Golf and who got the first

789
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: ever Jordan contract ever for golf. So it's been really

790
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: really good, but it's a very hard business. The margins

791
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: are really small, and so what I did is I

792
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: just took a part of my paycheck and I just

793
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: put it into my company. I just self invested. So

794
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: because I'm I'm like an on air person, you know

795
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: what I mean, I wasn't like a TV producer at

796
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: the time. So I was like, I'm just going to

797
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: take a part of what I'm earning on TV and

798
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to reinvest it. Into myself, my company, and

799
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: my foundation. And that's what I did. And we're still

800
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: you know, we're really small, but we you know, do

801
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: some cool stuff.

802
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: I want to build on what you're saying, because part

803
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: of this is about an entirely new media landscape. I

804
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: mean you're sort of producing and selling into it. You

805
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: are experiencing it via Amazon, you know, which obviously you

806
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 1: did some work with give us a sense of where

807
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: sports media fits in this like wild West disrupted upside down.

808
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: It's fascinating. I mean what many people have accomplished with

809
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: YouTube I think is really great because you can monetize

810
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: your content there, I think is super smart. There are

811
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: other people who are pouring a lot of content into

812
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: other areas of social media that they don't own, but

813
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: that they feel like they're going to make it up

814
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: in terms of being an influencer, which is also fascinating

815
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: to me. There are kind of my new thing is Okay,

816
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: I may not be able to go out and get

817
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 2: somebody to spend a half a million or a million

818
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: dollars on a story that I want to do, but

819
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 2: you know what I want to do. I want to

820
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: own my IP. So how am I going to do

821
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: that all right, Maybe you're going to do that. Maybe

822
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: you're going to do that in a podcast, right, you can,

823
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: because you're going to own You're going to own your

824
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: intellectual property. I'm also writing like a graphic novel. Okay wow.

825
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: So and I have a twelve part podcast with in Conjunction.

826
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 2: My partners are the NBA and iHeart and it's called

827
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 2: NBA DNA with handle Storm. I do think it's important

828
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: to kind of establish your intellectual property, and I think

829
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: that there's so many tiered ways of doing that. So

830
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 2: a lot of podcasts might become a documentary, it might

831
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: become in your case, you know, a special something like that.

832
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: There's layers and tears to everything you can do, and

833
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: I think that's really cool. It's cool to think outside

834
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: of the box. And not everything is going to be

835
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: like a huge money maker, but maybe it's good in

836
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: another way. I always figure like broadcasting, like you're hanging

837
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: your hat there, right, and then like other things that

838
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 2: you're passionate about really because it's kind of what it's about, right,

839
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: Like you're passionate about it. You want to do this,

840
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: you want to sit down and interview people like this

841
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 2: is the vehicle that that you came together to do.

842
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: Like it's fun, right, yeah, right, and maybe somebody helps.

843
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: Maybe somebody's not going to sit there and go, Hi,

844
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: I need an interview or I'm think I'm gonna call

845
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: up Alex Rodri you know. But you're making it happen, right,

846
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: and so I think that's like super cool. I guess

847
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: like I always think like super optimistically, you know. And

848
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: there's there's tons of projects that I have never made

849
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: it to the finish line, right, but you gotta try

850
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: or just find a different way, yeah, like find a

851
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: different avenue.

852
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: In What advice take my nineteen year old who's a

853
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: freshman at Michigan and she's studying musical theater?

854
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: Oh cool?

855
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 3: What advice would you give Natasha and millions of young

856
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: people out there, and not just young women, but young

857
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 3: people that want to be the next Hannah? Maybe one

858
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: or two three things that you can say that can

859
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 3: be helpful for them.

860
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 2: I did a lot of musical theater, okay, yeah, including

861
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: a Notre Dame, which is really cool because then you're

862
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: kind of a ham, right, you're like a performer. I mean,

863
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: I'm sure I wasn't as talented as a Natasha, So

864
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: I was like, all going to TV. I'm like an

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Speaker 2: okay singer, not a great dancer. But I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: this is so cliche, but it's I always telp people

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Speaker 2: to work really hard, and that's I know that like

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Speaker 2: goes without saying, but it doesn't really. I think you

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Speaker 2: have to just Ryan Man, You've got to work so hard,

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Speaker 2: you know, do not get discouraged when people say no,

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Speaker 2: because I do think a lot of younger people, because

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Speaker 2: of social media, they put themselves out there. They get

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Speaker 2: negative comments and this and that. They're always like so

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Speaker 2: worried about what other people think. They're afraid of rejection

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Speaker 2: and they're afraid to put themselves out there. And I

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Speaker 2: think you have to. You have to put yourself out there,

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Speaker 2: and you have to understand that if you know, people

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Speaker 2: don't want to hire you or blah blah blah, they're

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Speaker 2: you know, the big thing now is like, oh, the

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Speaker 2: company ghosted me. They never got back to me, you know,

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00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: for a job like that can be really hurtful. But

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Speaker 2: I think separating, not taking things personally and really understanding

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Speaker 2: like a global view of the marketplace, Understanding like what

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Speaker 2: you're dealing with, like from big picture that it's not

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00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: it's not always about you, right, So you know, working

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Speaker 2: on dealing with failure, working on dealing with rejection and

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Speaker 2: staying positive and really really sticking to you know, what

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Speaker 2: you want. But just there is zero substitute for working hard.

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Speaker 2: And I think I just learned that being a woman

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Speaker 2: in a man's industry, I had to almost work harder

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Speaker 2: than anyone else. And obviously my husband is a sportscaster

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Speaker 2: and he works extremely hard. And I'm not saying I

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Speaker 2: work harder than him, but I'm saying that for me,

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Speaker 2: that work ethic, I'm like, that will always separate me.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's there's and you know I'm playing baseball,

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Speaker 2: and you also know getting up and not being what

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Speaker 2: percentage of of times does the ball actually meet the

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Speaker 2: bat for a hit? It's it's like it's like a

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Speaker 2: quarter of the times.

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Speaker 4: If you're seventy.

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Speaker 2: You're failing seventy percent, and you're a freaking Hall of

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Speaker 2: famer except me, right exactly right, I like that. See

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Speaker 2: I like that. I don't know I have a piece,

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Speaker 2: but I do think that, you know, think about that, right,

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Speaker 2: think about and I always think about the baseball analogy

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Speaker 2: like and that's okay, you know what I mean, because

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Speaker 2: you're going to fail like you're whole life, and that's okay.

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Speaker 3: It's like good and it's funny you say that because

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Speaker 3: I tell my children this all the time. Is that

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Speaker 3: the fact that I came from a sport that you

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Speaker 3: fail seventy percent of the time and you're really really good.

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Speaker 3: I always say, like I have a PhD In failing.

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Speaker 3: But like I eat No's for breakfast, right, Like it

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean anything to me. I just keep It's almost

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Speaker 3: like a blind spot.

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Speaker 4: I just keep going right.

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Speaker 3: And I have friends that one person says no to

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Speaker 3: them and they're for three months.

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Speaker 4: They're like depressuralized, you know.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. And I do think that is

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Speaker 2: is unfortunate, and I do think some of that is

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Speaker 2: a result of of just social media in the way

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Speaker 2: that we're ingrained, you know, into like everything from your

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Speaker 2: physical appearance to this to that. And I do think

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Speaker 2: that that's something that we, you know, I think collectively

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Speaker 2: have to really work work against. And like Billy Geen

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Speaker 2: always says, like if you're under pressure, like that's a privilege.

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Speaker 2: You have to really really kind of think of it

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Speaker 2: that way and also be open minded. You know, what

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Speaker 2: you're thinking of is the perfect job and the perfect life.

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Speaker 2: You know, other opportunities are going to come along that

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Speaker 2: you never thought of, and when they do, just like

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Speaker 2: for me, it's always been like, just have an open mind,

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Speaker 2: have an open mind, and try things you're afraid of.

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Speaker 2: That's really really important.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. This is really fun. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you every much.

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Speaker 5: Hosted by Alex Rodriguez and Jason Kelly. Our producers are

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