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Speaker 2: Let's welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by citizens Official Bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 2: I am John Schmelck, coming to you from the Hackittzak

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Speaker 2: Brity Hell Podcast Studio Keep getting Better. Very happy to

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Speaker 2: be joined today by former NFL general manager Ran Carthon.

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Speaker 1: Ran, how are you man?

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Speaker 3: Hey man, I'm doing well, man. I appreciate you having

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Speaker 3: me on.

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Speaker 1: And I got to bring this up first.

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Speaker 2: Is you got the Maurice Carthon jerseys in the background.

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Speaker 1: Uh? Obviously, Once a Giant, always a giant.

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Speaker 2: Your dad played running back and fullback for the Giants

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Speaker 2: and their Bill Parcells. How much have you been peppered

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Speaker 2: over the course of your life with Bill Parcells quotes?

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Speaker 2: And do you ever get enough of them?

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, everything, like you said, once the Giants,

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Speaker 3: always a giant, and so between my dad and Carl

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Speaker 3: Banks and Pepper Johnson, there are enough giant stories to

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Speaker 3: go around for a lifetime. And you know, actually my

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Speaker 3: dad he coached with Parcels everywhere Parcels was except for

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Speaker 3: the Miami Dolphins and so, and I actually got to

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Speaker 3: live some of those stories. I was on the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: practice squad, unfortunately with my dad as my position coach

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Speaker 3: and Coach Parcels as the head coach. So I got

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Speaker 3: to live, you know, a lot of those coats, a

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Speaker 3: lot of those stories. But man, it was an unbelievable experience.

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Speaker 3: And I know the Giants organization is one of my

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Speaker 2: And Ran also was one of the candidates for general

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Speaker 2: manager here for the Giants when the Giants.

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Speaker 1: Hired Joe Shane.

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Speaker 2: Anything that you take from your time being coached by

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Speaker 2: Coach Parcels and stuff that you've taken from your dad

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Speaker 2: and from all the things he told you about Coach

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Speaker 2: really do apply to team building in the NFL today, oh.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. And the first thing that really comes

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Speaker 3: to my mind is, you know, hearing coach Parcells say

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Speaker 3: you'd rather be a year earlier than a year late,

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Speaker 3: and you know, and that leads you to sometimes having

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Speaker 3: So learned a lot. There was a point in my

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Speaker 3: director's job where I would just call coach Parcels. I

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Speaker 3: I would run by coach Parcels and allow him to

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Speaker 3: you should probably look into that. So a lot of

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Speaker 2: And I think you talk about rather be a year

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Speaker 2: I think too, which obviously comes from that parcels tree.

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Speaker 3: Everyone is in lockstep, and you hear it a lot,

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Speaker 3: it forces everyone else to be in lockstep. And Kyle

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Speaker 3: And I was just recently there covering their training camp practice,

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Speaker 2: Now, I got to imagine having that collaborative process, understanding

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Speaker 2: on Thursday, twenty first, as teams try to pare down

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Speaker 2: to their initial fifty three man roster. Here ran, what's

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's very tedious. It's it's a little it's

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Speaker 3: So it's a little bit of a gamesmanship there in

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Speaker 1: You talk about the gamesmanship of it.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if at times, Ran is it always the

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Speaker 2: best fifty three or are you sometimes having to maybe

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Speaker 2: we're gonna keep him on the fifty three.

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Speaker 3: trade it up to take him, and it looks like

435
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Speaker 3: they made the right decision based off of how he's

436
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Speaker 3: played in these two preseason games. But you know, for

437
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Speaker 3: right now, the immediacy of it. You have a veteran

438
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Speaker 3: quarterback that you trust to put out there on the field,

439
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Speaker 3: that you know can play winning football, and then you

440
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Speaker 3: have your young guy that you're grooming to bring along,

441
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Speaker 3: and so it doesn't force the young guy out there

442
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Speaker 3: too early. And the big thing that I want to

443
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Speaker 3: say that Russ brings that I don't think people talk

444
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Speaker 3: about enough is the way this Giants team is constructed,

445
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Speaker 3: Like this defensive front can be potentially the best in

446
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Speaker 3: the league right under Shane Bowen and what he does defensively,

447
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 3: because just Shane's scheme in and of itself presents problems

448
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Speaker 3: for a lot of people. And now you add in

449
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Speaker 3: these weapons that he has up front that can get

450
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Speaker 3: after the quarterback, that can stop the run. Russ had

451
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Speaker 3: championship defenses when he was in Seattle, and so Russ

452
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Speaker 3: understands how to play complimentary football. And I think that

453
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Speaker 3: is a key component of playing a quarterback position, and

454
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Speaker 3: that you don't have to be the hero. You just

455
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Speaker 3: have to play complimentary football. And some days the defense

456
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Speaker 3: is going to be hot, they're going to shorten the

457
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Speaker 3: feel for you, and you have shorter drives to make,

458
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Speaker 3: and you know, when it matters, you just have to

459
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Speaker 3: punctuate and make plays for him. I just remember again

460
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Speaker 3: being in the division. I was in that division for

461
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Speaker 3: you know, damn near twelve years if you will, between

462
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Speaker 3: my time with the Rams and my time with the

463
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Speaker 3: forty nine ers, and I could just always remember, man

464
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Speaker 3: if quarters one through three, you know, Russ would do

465
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Speaker 3: his job, Russ would make plays, but you know in

466
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Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, Russ was going to kill you with

467
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Speaker 3: his legs when the opportunity presented itself. And then that defense,

468
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Speaker 3: all the defense needed was a lead and then they

469
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Speaker 3: could pin their ears back and get out of the

470
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Speaker 3: quarterback and present problems for you. So I think that

471
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Speaker 3: is an element that we don't talk about enough that

472
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Speaker 3: Russ brings to the table. It's his ability to play

473
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Speaker 3: complimentary football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to get to Shane bow in

476
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Speaker 2: a second, because you were with him in Tennessee. Obviously,

477
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Speaker 2: I want to have that conversation you mentioned the other

478
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Speaker 2: track now, right, So, while you're trying to win with Russ,

479
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Speaker 2: and I think it was smart for them to name

480
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Speaker 2: Russ the starter early. They never waved it from that.

481
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Speaker 2: Everyone knew that was the plan. Now they're developing Jackson

482
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Speaker 2: alongside of him. And you know how it works in

483
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Speaker 2: New York. You mentioned it. The first time you have

484
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Speaker 2: a bad half, let alone a game, people be yelling,

485
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Speaker 2: putting the rookie, putting the young guy, get him in there.

486
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Speaker 2: And what does that process look like behind the scenes. Now,

487
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Speaker 2: with Jackson really not getting a lot of live snaps,

488
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Speaker 2: probably over the course of you know, practice, the one

489
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Speaker 2: always gets most of the snaps, the coaches working with

490
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Speaker 2: him behind the scenes, talking to the front office, understanding

491
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Speaker 2: how he's developing, even if you're not seeing him in

492
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Speaker 2: a lot of competitive situations on the field, and when

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Speaker 2: he's going to be ready, what does that look like

494
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Speaker 2: behind the scenes.

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Speaker 3: Well, first thing I'll say, and we'll pull out a

496
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Speaker 3: coach Parsales quote here is Coach Parceales said, I reserved

497
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Speaker 3: the right to change my mind, right, So there you go.

498
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Speaker 3: Coach Dave Ball can change his mind at any given

499
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Speaker 3: point and play Jackson dart On who or whomever he

500
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Speaker 3: wants at the quarterback position or at any position, right,

501
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Speaker 3: because he's the head coach. Here's the other thing with

502
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Speaker 3: Jackson Dark. No, he's not going to get a ton

503
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Speaker 3: of live reps. However, he will get the majority reps

504
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Speaker 3: on the scout team against the starting defense. You can't

505
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Speaker 3: ask for any better opportunity to grow than playing against

506
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Speaker 3: that defense on a day to day basis. And I'll

507
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Speaker 3: give you this example. We had a rookie quarterback, Brock Party,

508
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Speaker 3: and Brock Party took a lot of the We had

509
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Speaker 3: Trey Lance as it started, Jimmy Garoppolo as a backup.

510
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Speaker 3: Brock was the third. Brock took all of the practice

511
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Speaker 3: squad reps. He wouldn't allow anybody else to take any

512
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Speaker 3: other reps on the practice squad or with the practice

513
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Speaker 3: squad guys. And I remember Fred Warner coming off the

514
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Speaker 3: field one day and he said, if that guy ever

515
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Speaker 3: gets in the game, he's gonna carve people up and

516
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Speaker 3: then obviously injuries happened. All of a sudden, brock Is

517
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Speaker 3: thrust it into the game. I want to say it

518
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Speaker 3: may have been the second quarter, may have been the

519
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Speaker 3: first quarter against them Miami Dolphins, and ends up leading

520
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Speaker 3: us to a victory. That think he threw the ball

521
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Speaker 3: between thirty seven thirty eight times. But he was ready

522
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Speaker 3: because he went against the starting defense every day and

523
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Speaker 3: knows what it looks like, understood the speed of the game,

524
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Speaker 3: knew that you couldn't sit back there pack the ball

525
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Speaker 3: all day. And so these will be really good reps

526
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Speaker 3: for Jackson Dart as he's working through because yeah, you're

527
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Speaker 3: running cards, you running other team plays, but the really

528
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Speaker 3: good coaches they're going to say, hey, this is the play.

529
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Speaker 3: You're looking at it on a card. However, this is

530
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Speaker 3: basically our concept. So run our concept with this. So

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Speaker 3: now not only is he getting those reps against his defense,

532
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Speaker 3: but now he's seeing the play, he's computing it to

533
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Speaker 3: what we do know as the Giants, what we do,

534
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Speaker 3: and now he can go out and execute against the

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Speaker 3: top flight defense.

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Speaker 1: All Right, you mentioned shaanebow and you had him in Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: Giant fans have some questions about him given how last

538
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Speaker 2: year went.

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Speaker 1: The Giants had a lot of trouble stopping the run.

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Speaker 2: They also had a very young second which is you know,

541
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Speaker 2: rank can be a tough recipe sometimes in terms of

542
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Speaker 2: preventing chunk plays. Why should Giant fans, with the talent

543
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Speaker 2: they've put together on defense have belief in Shane Bowen

544
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Speaker 2: that he's going to put together a really good defensive

545
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Speaker 2: front as you mentioned before, and put together a good

546
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Speaker 2: defense so rusk and go about winning kind of in

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Speaker 2: the same way he did in Seattle.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll say this, I've never seen I've never seen

549
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Speaker 3: a great coach with bad players. Yeah, very you know,

550
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Speaker 3: and so Joe Shane and his staff have you know,

551
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Speaker 3: obviously they addressed a lot of secondary stuff via free

552
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Speaker 3: agency bringing guys in, and then you continue to address

553
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Speaker 3: it via the draft, and so they've given him more players,

554
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Speaker 3: more players to have, you know, out on the field.

555
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Speaker 3: And then obviously injuries plays a part. You know, there

556
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Speaker 3: are certain guys that you just can't replace. And that's

557
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Speaker 3: that's just you know, truth of it. God only made

558
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 3: so many, you know, high level guys to play football.

559
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Speaker 3: But what I'm excited to see, is how he's gonna

560
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Speaker 3: use abdual Carter. And with abdu Carter having the versatility

561
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Speaker 3: having played off the ball line back and if you

562
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Speaker 3: go back and pull up some of his Penn State stuff,

563
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 3: you know, they would bring other guys in off the edge.

564
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Speaker 3: They would stand him up over the center, stand him

565
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Speaker 3: up over the guard. We kind of call that position

566
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Speaker 3: the spinner because you can move them around and he's

567
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Speaker 3: athletic to dropping coverage and affect some throwing lanes. Like

568
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Speaker 3: That's where I'm excited to see, you know, Shane, how

569
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Speaker 3: he's gonna use him. Brian Burns can be used in

570
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 3: the same way, quite frankly, And so now you get

571
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Speaker 3: to move these these chest pieces around and you don't

572
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Speaker 3: have to just line guys up, you know, on one side,

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Speaker 3: because now what are you gonna do If you have

574
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Speaker 3: big Dexter, you have Thibodeau, you have Brian Burns, and

575
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Speaker 3: you have abdued Carter as you're front foor in some

576
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Speaker 3: variation and in a third and long situation, who you get.

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Speaker 3: First of all, You're gonna slide the center the dexter,

578
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Speaker 3: that is what it is. You're gonna try to chip

579
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Speaker 3: with them back to one side or the other. And

580
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 3: now you're gonna leave Abdul Carter one on one with

581
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Speaker 3: a guard, forcing a guard to take a tackle set

582
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Speaker 3: which is foreign to him, and give them an athletic

583
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: guy that can bend a two way go like good luck. Right,

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Speaker 3: But then you know the quote a friend of mine

585
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Speaker 3: who I work with at CBS Sports, Brian mcfatten, who

586
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 3: played corner for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He said, the guys

587
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 3: in the secondary and Pittsburgh would tell the front, hey,

588
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 3: make it hot, so we can squat. So if that

589
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 3: pass rush can get after guys and force these quarterbacks

590
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: to get the ball out quick, now the secondary can sit,

591
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,719
Speaker 3: they can squat, and they could jump routes and make plays.

592
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: And so again, never seen the coach with bad players,

593
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 3: a great coach with bad players. All great coaches had

594
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 3: great players. And so I think there's a lot if healthy,

595
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 3: I think there are a lot of great players in

596
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Speaker 3: this Giants defense that can help those guys kind of

597
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Speaker 3: change the tie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, crawl Banks you mentioned before, always talked about figuring

599
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Speaker 2: out a path to victory eachat right, figuring out how

600
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Speaker 2: with your talent in the matchup you have how you

601
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Speaker 2: figure out a way to win the game. And when

602
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: you have a pass rush like that Ran I think

603
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: early last year for the Giants and their offense was

604
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Speaker 2: a little bit better before they had all their injuries,

605
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Speaker 2: and Andrew Thomas went out, et cetera, et cetera, when

606
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: they got some leads the pass rush. Eight in fact,

607
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: I think three eight weeks they led the league in sacks.

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Speaker 2: Once the offense stopped scoring and the Giants were down

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Speaker 2: two scores at halftime seemingly every week, Well, it's kind

610
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Speaker 2: of tough for the pass rush yet going right, when

611
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Speaker 2: the other team can dictate the offense and how they

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Speaker 2: play biser up to scores. How important is it to

613
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Speaker 2: get the most out of this defense for the Giants

614
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Speaker 2: offense to at the very least keep these games close,

615
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: but obviously would be even better getting some early leads

616
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Speaker 2: so the opposing offense can get forced into some of

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Speaker 2: these passing situations.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it goes back to what I was talking about,

619
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Speaker 3: complimentary football, and that's what it comes down to. Great

620
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Speaker 3: great pass rush teams typically play with the lead, right,

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Speaker 3: That is what it is. When I played for the

622
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Speaker 3: Coats when we had those historic runs, we played with

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Speaker 3: a lot of leads, and so we play with the lead.

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Speaker 3: Now you got Robert Mathis and Dwight Freeney coming off

625
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Speaker 3: the edge, and both of those guys, if you look

626
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Speaker 3: at their careers, Dwight Freenni just went into the Hall

627
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Speaker 3: of Fame over one hundred career sacks, and I want

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Speaker 3: to say him and Robert Mathis, are you know, right

629
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Speaker 3: there together? I think maybe a sack and a half,

630
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Speaker 3: you know, kind of it separates them in terms of

631
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Speaker 3: all time sacks. But those guys played with elite. So

632
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: this Giants offense, if you want to see the best

633
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Speaker 3: out of this Giants defense, is going to start with,

634
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Speaker 3: like you said, this Giants offense being able to put

635
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Speaker 3: points on the board and create somewhat of a lead because,

636
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Speaker 3: like you said last year, if you're down two scores

637
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Speaker 3: at halftime and teams are coming out of the break,

638
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: you're typically going to run the ball more. And so

639
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: those rushing numbers that you talked about, you know, giving

640
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: up a ton of yards on the ground, man, I mean,

641
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: that is what it is. If teams are running the

642
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Speaker 3: ball thirty forty times, typically there's this great misleading stat

643
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Speaker 3: that's like teams that run the ball forty times a

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Speaker 3: game are thirty two to one or whatever the number is.

645
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Speaker 3: And it's the most misleading stat because typically those teams

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Speaker 3: that get to forty carries are teams that are playing

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Speaker 3: with the lead.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people have the was an effect reversed on that, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah and so, and that was always one of our

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Speaker 3: game plans, you know, in San Francisco, it's like, hey, man,

651
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: we want to we want to end every game with

652
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 3: forty runs.

653
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

654
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: of crunch time football, I'm your man. But if you're

655
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk

656
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: to citizens. Hey, I can also talk long care.

657
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: I'd like to learn about a milliartee.

658
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your

659
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: money with citizens.

660
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Speaker 3: All right.

661
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: The final question the Giants before we go around the

662
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: league a little bit, mylik neighbors monster rookie year. You

663
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: know how Russ is connected with some of these wide

664
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: receivers over the course of his career, And it was

665
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: in Seattle in fact, I thought how he connected with

666
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: George Pickens last year and in Pittsburgh I think was

667
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: pretty telling how big of a year can can Elie

668
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: neighbors have and what did you think about him when

669
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 2: when you were scouting him in the draft process.

670
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Speaker 3: I loved I loved everything about Mylaeue neighbors. I was

671
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: at his pro day. It's oddly enough, I'm on the

672
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: on the Giants pod. I sat there kind of hipped

673
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: to hip with Tim McDonald and and Brandon Brown throughout

674
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: the entire pro day, you know, watching him and Uh,

675
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: just a guy that you knew was a dog, you know,

676
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: a real legitimate football player. And uh, that year, I

677
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: think we were at pick seven. I think the Chargers

678
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: were five, Giants were six, and we had three guys.

679
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: And you go into it with with a clump of

680
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: three guys, and our three guys, in no particular order,

681
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: were Joe Alt, my league neighbors, and j C. Latham,

682
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: and you were like, hey, if any variation of these

683
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: three guys are there, we're happy. You know, we're happy.

684
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 3: And they went all neighbors, and you know, j C

685
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: was there for us at seven. So it was a

686
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: guy that I thought very highly of. Had he been

687
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: there at seven, I don't think we probably would have,

688
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: you know, defied the league rules and waited to turn

689
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 3: the card. He would have turned the card then early,

690
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: you know, to give you know, have have more weapons

691
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 3: to throw to you know. But but like you said,

692
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: man like this is he's going to have a big year.

693
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 3: Russ likes to throw the deep ball. There's you know,

694
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: there's not very many guys that can throw the deep

695
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: ball with the touch and accuracy that Russ does. And

696
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: Maleaku should he should be very happy. He should be

697
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: very happy, and he should know that he's going to

698
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: get a lot of opportunities to kind of you know,

699
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: he grow even more than what he did as a rookie.

700
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Speaker 2: Yeah, min understanding is that Russ has had a very

701
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: positive impact on him too in terms of being a professional,

702
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: learning how to do things the right way, which obviously

703
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: Russ does in spades. All right, Ran real quickly, want

704
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: to go around the league with you really fast. Thank

705
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: you so much for the time. This has been really

706
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: informative and frankly terrific. The old stat that we powered

707
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: here all the time. The NFC East has not had

708
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: a repeat champion, I think since two thousand and four,

709
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: when Andy Reid was coaching the Eagles with Donovan McNabb

710
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: and you were still playing in the league.

711
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: It's been that long.

712
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: Can there be a team to unseat the Eagles in

713
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: the NFC East this year or will that streak finally

714
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: be broken?

715
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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you this, man, the NFC East is stacked,

716
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 3: and I know people, you know, the the pundits will

717
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: say that, you know, expect the Giants to be in

718
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: last place. I don't know if that's necessarily true, because

719
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 3: because it's the NFC East and in these type of

720
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: rivalries that go back as far as they go back,

721
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 3: anything can happen on any given Sunday. I do think,

722
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: and this is just my personal opinion. Giants fans don't

723
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 3: kill me, don't throw to tomatoes at my dad whenever

724
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: he's in town. But I do think that from a

725
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 3: roster standpoint, I think the Eagles have the best roster

726
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 3: in the league from top to bottom.

727
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Speaker 1: I agree.

728
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Speaker 3: You know, however, I think there's enough in the NFC

729
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: East that it is a It is a possibility because

730
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Speaker 3: because you do have to factor in coming off of

731
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Speaker 3: a super Bowl, having played such a long season, it

732
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: was a very short off season. It was a very

733
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Speaker 3: short off season that then rolled into OTAs and now

734
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: training camp. How are they going to respond, you know,

735
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 3: as a team, because their team is a little older

736
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 3: and they have some young guys key spots. But how

737
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 3: are these older guys going to respond to a short

738
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: and condensed off season of rest, because again, you play

739
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 3: through February, you you know, you now you're on the parade,

740
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 3: and you know, you get a little fat because you

741
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: get a little full of yourself, and you know, you

742
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 3: go and guys are doing TV shows and going back

743
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 3: to their hometowns and you know, carrying the trophy everywhere,

744
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 3: and then you have to let you cause now you

745
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 3: gotta let your body hill. You got to give yourself

746
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks, let your body heel, and then

747
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: it's right back into training and then oh crap, here

748
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 3: we are right back to OTA's. And so now you

749
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: just want to see how they, you know, how they

750
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 3: respond to just this short amount of time of being off.

751
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 3: But yes, to answer your question, is very, very possible

752
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: that one of these teams can unseat the Eagles at

753
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 3: the top.

754
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Speaker 1: The NFC is not the AFC, right the AFCU.

755
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: Of those mutant quarterbacks, whether it's Lamar Jackson or Joe

756
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: Burrow or Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, so justin Herbert there

757
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: if you want, the NFC is a little bit more

758
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: wide open, right, I think we don't quite know what

759
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 2: it's going to look like the NFC, nor it's very competitive.

760
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: The NFC West is going to be very competitive.

761
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: Ran, what team do you think maybe people are not

762
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: talking enough about in terms of their roster construction, what

763
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: their team looks like that you think could challenge the

764
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: Eagles and make a run to potentially represent the NFC

765
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Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll say this, I don't think the team I'm

767
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: going to name, I wonn't necessarily say that they're going

768
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 3: to challenge the Eagles to be, you know, to win

769
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: the NFC championship and go to the Super Bowl. Excuse me,

770
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 3: but I don't think people are talking about the Chicago

771
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: Bears enough. Everyone wants to, you know, I mean, obviously Detroit,

772
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 3: those guys, Brad Holmes, Dan Campbell, they've done a hell

773
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: of a job filling out this rosher And I actually

774
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 3: and I hate doing these things because I these, you know,

775
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 3: pick your super Bowl winner, you know what I mean?

776
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 3: So I hate doing those things. And I actually had

777
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: Detroit going to the super Bowl representing the NFC. But

778
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 3: I don't think people under stand the way this roster

779
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 3: has been constructed in terms of now you have Ben

780
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: Johnson and there's your quarter I mean, as your head coach,

781
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: who has this great offensive mind, and it fits Caleb

782
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 3: more than when they initially had Shane Waldron in as

783
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator. Caleb, if you go back and you

784
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 3: look at his Oklahoma stuff, his USC stuff, and even

785
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 3: back to high school, it was a spread offense. It

786
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,479
Speaker 3: was him and the gun. And then when he got

787
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 3: he gets drafted, and Shane Waldron's offense is more old

788
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: school West Coast. You know, you're under center, playing with

789
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 3: your back to the defense. These are things that the

790
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: kid were learning through. And so now you have a

791
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: guy that he's gonna be able to face the defense

792
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 3: because Caleb has everything you need. He just needs, you know,

793
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: the opportunity to play his style of game, and I

794
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: think Ben Johnson will do that. But then the way

795
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 3: this defense is constructed because they've been a good defense.

796
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 3: They were a good defense under Matt Ebraflus, and then

797
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: now you bring in Dennis Allen, who has been you know,

798
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: for whatever happened with him as a head coach, he's

799
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 3: always been considered one of the better defensive coordinators in

800
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: the league. And then you know, again, they addressed the

801
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: offensive line issue via trades. They secured the middle of

802
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: the offensive line. And for me, it goes back to

803
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 3: using this as an example of how the Saints built

804
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: their offensive line when they had Sean Payton and Drew Brees.

805
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 3: They solidified the middle of the defense for a shorter quarterback.

806
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 3: I mean it solidified the middle of the offensive line

807
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 3: for a shorter quarterback, which allows them to set a

808
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: firm pocket but also allows him to step up into throws.

809
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: And Caleb didn't always have that last year. And so

810
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 3: I think they went out and they addressed a lot

811
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: of their needs. But then to bring it all home,

812
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: if you go and you look at the coaching staff

813
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: that Ben Johnson was able to assemble, it is it

814
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: is a very very good coaching staff. A guy, a

815
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: ton of guys that are former players, but a ton

816
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: of guys who are teachers and not just mouthpieces and

817
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: raw rock guys. Guys that are teachers, Guys who have

818
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 3: had success at their various stops. And so I don't

819
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: think people are talking about them enough. You know, in

820
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 3: my exercise, I had them as the seventh seed coming

821
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: out of the the NFC. I know I pissed off

822
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 3: some Packer fans, so be it. That is what it is.

823
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 3: It's just my opinion and I did it objectively. But

824
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 3: I don't think people are talking about the Bears enough.

825
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: All right, And then final question, I'll go go to

826
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: the AFC.

827
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 2: Very easy to talk about the Bills of the Chiefs

828
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: of the Ravens, Right, they got three of the best

829
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the league, very well coached, and they're good teams.

830
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: Do you think there's another team in the AFC if

831
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: you put those three aside, that can challenge that group

832
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: and be in the mix that maybe people similar to

833
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: the NFC aren't talking about enough in your opinion, because

834
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: maybe they don't have that superstar quarterback like those three

835
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: teams I mentioned.

836
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm again maybe another biased opinion here, but I'm

837
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 3: a big believer in Demiico Ryans and the Houston Texas

838
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: and what they've done. Demiko's running the defense, him and

839
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 3: Matt Burke. The defense is gonna play, that is what

840
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: it is. They're gonna They're gonna get after people. They're

841
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: gonna get after people up front. They have two of

842
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: the better edge rushers and Daniel Hunter and Will Anderson.

843
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: They're gonna cause problems for people there, that is what

844
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 3: it is. They have two of the better young corners

845
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 3: and Kamari Lasseter and Derek Stanley Junior. They have so

846
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: many versatile guys in their secondary, so I think the

847
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: defense will be fine. They they did some they made

848
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: some unpopular moves up front in the on the offensive

849
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 3: line that was an issue for him last year, and

850
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: so we'll see how that comes together because they've moved

851
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 3: some guys around. But I think the big thing was

852
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: they brought in a new offensive coordinator this year, and

853
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 3: in this new offense, it's given uh C J. Stroud

854
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: more freedom, if you will, at the line of scrimmage,

855
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: which is something that he hadn't had in in his

856
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 3: previous two years. And so now this is the natural growth,

857
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: the natural match of the quarterback as you give them

858
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: a little bit more, you know, and every year, and

859
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 3: so now he's going to have more command, you know,

860
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 3: more of a voice in the offense to run the

861
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 3: things that he likes. And then again you look at

862
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: their wide receiver position. You know, they have a ton

863
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: of guys there. They drafted to in the in the

864
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 3: second round. You had a litany of guys. You had

865
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 3: so many guys that they had to trade away John

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Speaker 3: Metchi here earlier this week, a guy that they took

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Speaker 3: in the third round a couple of years ago because

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Speaker 3: they were going to have some And they still have

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Speaker 3: tough decisions to make. I mean, they may be in

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Speaker 3: a position to where they keep six or seven receivers

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Speaker 3: because they have so many guys. So I don't think

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Speaker 3: people are talking about this this Houston team enough, and

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Speaker 3: it's a team that I think could challenge all of

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Speaker 3: those teams, those the big three let's call them the

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Speaker 3: big three out of the AFC. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, hopefully Joe Mixing and get back on the field.

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Speaker 2: That'll help and if he can just get the get

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Speaker 2: the protection that he needs. I like both those Iowa

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Speaker 2: state wide receivers, Higgins in the well. I think they

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Speaker 2: comment each other. Well, I'm with you, looking if they

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Speaker 2: can figure that out, I think they're gonna be a

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Speaker 2: really good team. Ran all right, tell the folks, tell

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00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: them what you what's up to, what you're doing. You

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Speaker 2: can promote anything you want. The floor is yours, my friend.

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Speaker 3: I'm not good at promoting. But if you liked what

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00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 3: we talked about John and I here, please feel free

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Speaker 3: to come check us out at with the First Pick

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Speaker 3: podcast myself and my host Ryan Wilson on our CBS

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Speaker 3: Sports platform on YouTube. Please check us out. We talk

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Speaker 3: all things draft. We've done summer scouting. We've broken down

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Speaker 3: every position for the twenty twenty six draft class, so

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Speaker 3: you can check us out there. Other than that, I'm

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Speaker 3: just a proud dad. I'm coaching eight U flag football,

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Speaker 3: my son's team, you know, so shout out to the boys.

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Speaker 3: We went undefeated last year eleven and OHO won the championship.

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Speaker 3: I missed last week's game because I had an obligation,

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Speaker 3: but we still won sixteen to know, So I'm excited

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Speaker 3: to get back out with the boys. I'm the defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 3: so I'm getting I'm excited to get back out with

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Speaker 3: the boys this Saturday to you know, to coach them

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Speaker 3: and get this thing rolling.

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Speaker 1: N That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: We've had Ryan on our podcast many times. Me and

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Speaker 2: M chat all the time. He's a great dude. You

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Speaker 2: guys put great content together over there, and we're having

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Speaker 2: our first draft podcast that's coming out Friday. I talked

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Speaker 2: to Bruce Feldman on his on his Freaks List. So

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be a fun draft class, man. I think

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Speaker 2: it's a lot of big guys up front. Like, if

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Speaker 2: you like big defensive ends and defensive tackles, this.

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Speaker 1: Is gonna be the draft for you.

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Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, this this draft class, it's got some

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Speaker 3: high end guys. And Ryan and I we actually did

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Speaker 3: a show last week, so you please, oh actually yesterday,

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Speaker 3: and we gave our top five guys that we liked

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Speaker 3: and it was and it was from all over he Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Ryan gives me a hard time. He says, I took

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Speaker 3: the low hanging fruit. I was like, but the direction

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Speaker 3: says my favorite I showed, so I chose my favorite.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm excited about this draft class and I'm

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Speaker 3: looking forward to seeing because there's always five to six

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Speaker 3: guys that just quote unquote come out of nowhere that

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Speaker 3: we weren't that we didn't talk about this summer. So

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to see how this whole thing takes shape.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, meet you, Rand Thank you so much for the time.

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Speaker 2: It was really a pleasure doing this. Why don't we

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Speaker 2: talk some draft after we get some games on the

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Speaker 2: Roabeult later in the year and we'll see how it goes.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it, Giants fans, don't kill me. I still

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Speaker 3: love you.

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Speaker 2: Hey, he's got the Giant jerseys in the background. Once

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Speaker 2: a Giant, always a Giant. Rank carth On, former NFL

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Speaker 2: general manager. Right here on the Giants Huntle podcast, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by Citizen's Official Bank of the Giants. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for joining us on our podcast studio presented by Hackensack

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Speaker 2: Briny Health.

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Speaker 1: Keep getting better. We will see you next time. Everybody