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Speaker 1: This is our friend Frank Arechia, LATV Reporter News twelve, Connecticut. Listen.

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Speaker 1: It's killing me as I missed my baby. The mother

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Speaker 1: Without a doubt, we know that my daughter was not

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Speaker 1: You know, when you pour all your love, all your heart,

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Speaker 1: To William Moroney joining me, Chief Medical and samra Bay County, Michigan.

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Speaker 1: I don't like what they said, and I don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: Dominic Moody, w v NBC Connecticut. Her and anger the

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Speaker 1: best way to describe the emotions from Lawrence Smithfields family.

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Speaker 1: never fix anything with me. Doctor Carolyn West, Professor Clinical Psychology,

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, I left out James shell Nut, not that

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Speaker 1: Some of what we have from the from the federal government.

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Speaker 1: We know that fentonel overdose death in America are all

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Speaker 1: that the fennel was in her for a couple hours

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Speaker 1: or the day as opposed that. If there's nothing in

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Speaker 1: her yearn but it's in her blood, then family, it

428
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Speaker 1: was administered. She got it. She died instantly, So if

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Speaker 1: it was in her blood, it was administered in the

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Speaker 1: last what hours. If it was in her yearine, then

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Speaker 1: it would have been there all days. That what you're

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Speaker 1: saying something like that, Yeah, okay, so I'm sure that

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Speaker 1: test wasn't done. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Frank Rekia

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Speaker 1: help Me News twelve, Connecticut. It just I mean, what

435
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Speaker 1: can you tell me about a brother showing up on

436
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Speaker 1: the scene. Well, I spoke with her whole family the

437
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: day we broke the story. We spoke with the whole

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Speaker 1: family and her brother, and Darnell will bear me out

439
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: on this, has spoken in detail about having Yes, he

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Speaker 1: showed up on the scene. He says that he had

441
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Speaker 1: some dirty laundry. He spoke with his sister. He hadn't

442
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Speaker 1: seen her in a few days, but he spoke with

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00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: her and they had what they described as a normal conversation.

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Speaker 1: And the brother said he did not see any evidence

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Speaker 1: of intoxication. He said, I know my sister is strong,

446
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Speaker 1: she's articulate, she's a great athlete, and he didn't see

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00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: any evidence of intoxication when he stopped over. And that

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Speaker 1: is the afternoon before she died that night. No, No,

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00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: that was around almost twelve o'clock midnight. And in fact,

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Speaker 1: I just want to clarify. They had went Christmas shopping

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Speaker 1: early that day, and as you could tell by Lauren,

452
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Speaker 1: Lauren is a fascionista and so was her brother. So

453
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: she had some of the things that they purchased in

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Speaker 1: her stuff because they got just mixed up when they

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Speaker 1: went shopping. So he pulled up around almost midnight to

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Speaker 1: pick up the stuff that she had of his. He

457
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: ran out, cheerful, happy, gave him his stuff, and he

458
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Speaker 1: knows her like the back of his hand. She didn't

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Speaker 1: seem drugs, he didn't seem drunk or anything. And you're

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Speaker 1: hearing the voice of Darnielle Crossland, a victim family the

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Speaker 1: lawyer at caused Land Law dot Com. Let me understand something,

462
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Speaker 1: Darnell say, I have at best eyecords, and I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you and Frank Richie are correcting me. So her, I

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Speaker 1: assume little brother came four big brother came to drop

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Speaker 1: off or pick up dirty laundry or laundry at her place.

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Speaker 1: That's at midnight, and she's fine, and she bounces out

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Speaker 1: to go on this day. Is that correct? Yes? No, Darnell, No,

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Speaker 1: that's that's not correct. Told it. He came to pick

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Speaker 1: up the Christmas clothes that they had one shopping for

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Speaker 1: early that day. So they had a bunch of bags

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Speaker 1: and as you know, if you go to Old Navy,

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Speaker 1: they give you a ton of bags. Throw everything in

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Speaker 1: one bag. So he said, hey, Lauren, you have some

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Speaker 1: of my stuff. Let him get it, and he went

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Speaker 1: to pick it up. So that's why he was there

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Speaker 1: forget the dirty laundry. Is it about midnight? Correct? And

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Speaker 1: he saw her leave for her day. No, he didn't

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Speaker 1: know she was on a date. He knew no one

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Speaker 1: was in the house. Okay, I thought you said that

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Speaker 1: she left. No, she was in her house, and he

481
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Speaker 1: came around almost been nice to pick up some of

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Speaker 1: the clothes that they had bought when they went shopping earlier.

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Speaker 1: I got it. And she was perfectly fine at midnight.

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Speaker 1: Is that right? That's correct? Okay, he stepped at Frank

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Speaker 1: rank Ye helped me understand the timeline. Yes, she stepped out.

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Speaker 1: And if you listen to the narrative. Speaking yesterday with

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Speaker 1: Peter Karranis, who is the gentleman's attorney, the bumblday's attorney,

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Speaker 1: he said that this gentleman described in the police report

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Speaker 1: her stepping out, and he said it was He thought

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Speaker 1: it was unusual that she took such a long period

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Speaker 1: of time, and there seems to be kind of the

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Speaker 1: veiled implication that what else was going on during that period.

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Speaker 1: You know, I dealt with the family there very forthright,

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Speaker 1: and I got the impression that they were genuinely shocked.

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Speaker 1: There was no talk of any illicit drugs or anything

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Speaker 1: like that. It was simple exchange, innocent exchange, as they

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Speaker 1: described it, of those items. So midnight that night, she's fine.

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Speaker 1: Six thirty the next morning she's dead. Do I have

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Speaker 1: that much right? Everybody? You do? Yes? And did the

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Speaker 1: brother know that there was the date there at the house? No?

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Speaker 1: He did not? Got it? All right? What about that timeline,

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Speaker 1: doctor Moroney? Well, that's why you would think that there's

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Speaker 1: some kind of drug facilitated sexual relationship from this new

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Speaker 1: other person. And she's so vulnerable. You've never done drugs before.

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Speaker 1: And Fentinel's what we used to put you asleep, to

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Speaker 1: take your gold ladder out or to have sex with you.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean TU came into it. Can

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Speaker 1: I tell you something else? I learned the blood and

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Speaker 1: the center of the bed. I think either Darnell or

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Speaker 1: Frank Rekia we're telling me about that. The blood and

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Speaker 1: the center of her bed had shrieks going to the

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Speaker 1: right side of the bed, which tells me body was moved,

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00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: she was a bond over or removed. Yes, that is staging.

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Speaker 1: Why is there staging? Again? Let me say for the

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Speaker 1: unteenth time, Matthew la Fountain, the day the design engineer

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Speaker 1: has not been connected to any evidence that he gave

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Speaker 1: her an od R. Let me just keep saying that

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Speaker 1: doctor Carolin West, you want, I mean, professor Clinical Psychology,

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Speaker 1: University Washington, Tacoma. What are your thoughts, doctor West. Again,

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Speaker 1: we don't know what his role in this was, but

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Speaker 1: I teach a course on family violence. I teach a

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Speaker 1: course on sexual assault, and I think we have to

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00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: think about the angle of the dating apps in this.

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Speaker 1: Perpetrators who commit types of times like this, they're very

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00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: strategic about who they target, and they're going those stating

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Speaker 1: apps are just a great way of targeting people, sadly,

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00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: and so what kinds of vulnerabilities did he pick up

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00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: on her? She was much younger, she didn't know him

529
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: very well coming to her house, and that's a great way, unfortunately,

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00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: to isolate victims so that they can commit sexual assault.

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Speaker 1: So we have to understand the whole grooming process that

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Speaker 1: perpetrators potentially could use. So I'm really concerned about the

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Speaker 1: vulnerability that he may have taken advantage of. And Nancy,

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00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: can I jump in there on this? John L. Cross

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00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: and again speaking you know, the guest makes a good

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Speaker 1: point here. Bumble has made it clear that they tried

537
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Speaker 1: to vet their members the best they can, and Bumble

538
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: has reached out to my office and made a public

539
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Speaker 1: statement that as of yesterday, the police department still has

540
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: not called them to ask for anything, and Bumble has

541
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Speaker 1: said that they try their best to cooperate with law enforcement.

542
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: So we should not be sitting here guessing at every

543
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Speaker 1: single angle. Come on, police officers do some work. They

544
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: did even call Bumble and said can we can we

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00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: have the transcript of the communications between the two, So

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00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: as your guests just stated, we can see what this

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00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: communication was like with this young lady, they didactly. I

548
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: was seeing the exact same thing. Those phone records something

549
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: to show what kind of communication happened here. One thing

550
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: that's happening also, guys is done Crossland and Frank Rakia

551
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: explain to me this. There are people saying that the brother,

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00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: her brother, came over, she went outside for a few moments,

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Speaker 1: met with him, and went back to the back for

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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. Are they trying to suggest at the brother

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00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: O dater resolutely? And and that was all derived from

556
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: the self serving statement that the same Matthew la Fountain

557
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: who changed his Facebook, who changed his name immediately after

558
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: she died, provided and he could provide whatever he wants.

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00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: Do you mean change Facebook? And change name. Explain, I

560
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: mean right after um Lauren died, his Facebook used to

561
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: say Matthew la Fontaine. Then he changes to Matt Thomas,

562
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: but the Facebook was the same. He just changed his name.

563
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: So all the experts are saying that kind of behavior

564
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Speaker 1: is indicative. Um, yet still his lawyers saying he's cooperating.

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00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 1: We don't. We reject that notion. But again he creates

566
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Speaker 1: a timeline that she went out to see her brother

567
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: and then she came back in. He said that she

568
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: looked sick, but then they kept on drinking. So he

569
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: has a duty to render assistance to somebody who may

570
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: be sick, and he didn't know she was sick. Where

571
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: does the year's condumn come in? Um? Frank reki a question,

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Speaker 1: do you uh is mister la Fountain still co operriting? Well,

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00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: we spoke exclusively with his attorney yesterday. You played a

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Speaker 1: clip with that Peter Crianas, and Peter Corrianis continues to

575
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Speaker 1: assert that his client has cooperated fully and will continue

576
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: to cooperate. However, when we did ask directly if he

577
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: would be willing to submit a DNA sample, he didn't comment,

578
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: but he said that his client is willing to continue cooperated,

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Speaker 1: also pointing out that his client has no criminal record. Well,

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Speaker 1: did Laurence Smith have a criminal record? No? Did her brother?

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Speaker 1: Her brother? One of her brothers a firefighter, I know,

582
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: and I know you have to go betted through that.

583
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: And the other brother, I'm not sure if he has

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00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: a public criminal record or maybe a juvenile record. What

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00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: about the one that came over that night, That's what

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00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I only know one is a firefighter

587
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: and they go to a service betting in the city

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00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: of Bridgeport, and the other brother works with his father

589
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: a Jim. I haven't pulled his criminal record. Question which

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00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: one came over that night? Came over that night? Is

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00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: that the firefighter or the one that works at the

592
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: gems the one that works at the gym? Right? Rick? Here?

593
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: Where does the case stand? Right now? Right now? The

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00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: DA has been called in the mayor of Bridgeport following

595
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: a big march that took place on Sunday, which came

596
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: days after our reporting getting the word out in the

597
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: mayor brought in the Federal Drug enforce and Administration. Okay,

598
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: so they brought in the FEDS. They brought into bed

599
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: and final thought to you Paul's like, well, the feds

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00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: are going to be looking at the Fetenall angle. I

601
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: mean obviously that's you know, that's what they do with

602
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: the DA. They're going to look at that angle. But

603
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: the bottom line is so many of the questions that

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00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 1: everyone has brought up and the family's bringing up comes

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00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: down to one foundational element. That is, this was not

606
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: investigated as a homicide. Therefore all these you know, different

607
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: things weren't done. I mean, you wake up next to

608
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Speaker 1: a dead woman in your bed and you're able to

609
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: leave even you're not you know, you're not investigated. Is

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00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: if you may have something to do with that. The

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00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: unfortunate truth is most law enforcement agencies and even homicide

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00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: units are not equipped or ready to detect deception or

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00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: scenes that have been set up. If somebody's really good

614
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: at deception, when they when it comes to positioning bodies,

615
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: changing you know, details around, they're going to believe the

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Speaker 1: first thing that they can get their their mind around.

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Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfolds. Tipline two zero three

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Speaker 1: off Goodbye Friend,