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Speaker 2: What's up? Guys? Welcome into a mid July edition of

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Speaker 2: Chargers Weekly, as always, joined by Matt money Smith counting

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Speaker 2: down the days till we get to see you guys

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: Man, most definitely. I'm very excited. We said it last

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Speaker 1: week and we're a week closer. So July twenty sixth,

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Speaker 1: day one, that's a Wednesday, July twenty ninth is the

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Speaker 1: back Together Again celebration on Saturday. Of course, we get

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Speaker 1: the joint practices being awful lot of fun with Derek

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Speaker 1: Maybe we can get Philip Rivers to hop a plane

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be weird seeing Derek Carr actually at a

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Speaker 2: training camp practice. No, I mean this was a fierce

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Joey and Derek and a joint practice

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Speaker 2: You're already transcribing the press.

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Speaker 1: Competens seen it a mile away every time we come

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Speaker 1: down to LA with his dumb accent. I have no

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Speaker 1: idea where he got it from. Just so many Raider

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Speaker 1: It just means so much to me to mean so

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Speaker 2: Shut up, that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 1: Hey, he's already doing it in New Orleans too. That stuff.

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Speaker 1: People are like, oh, he lives rent free in your head,

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Speaker 1: No he doesn't. I just enjoyed it brings me joy

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Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna do the podcast live. I mean, what

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Speaker 1: Oh well, you know the last time he did an

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Speaker 1: because I asked him about throwing the ball away on

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Speaker 1: And he got really upset. I don't remember the plays

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Speaker 2: We'll see if we can arrange it.

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Speaker 1: I'll make it uncomfortable for you, Chris. I'll make it

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Speaker 2: You know, you know it would be great is if

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Speaker 1: Let's go through these. Walk me throwing the ball away

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Speaker 2: Well, hey, the Derek Carr conversations that I segue into

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Speaker 2: What they did last year with Josh McDaniels in his

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Speaker 1: It's you said it best stub their toe. They're better teams.

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Speaker 1: But you go to each of these games against the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Chargers could not run the ball. It's

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Speaker 2: Well, I go to that game in Vegas. They started

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Speaker 2: kind of look forward a little bit. Because Jimmy Garoppolo

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Speaker 2: but Darren Waller. Yeah, Hey Darren Waller.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's a win because now you can cut

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Speaker 1: Drwin loose. Before Derwin would treat Darren Waller a lot

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Speaker 1: That was sort of Brandon Staley's approaching. It would work,

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Speaker 2: Justin got beat up that game. Man, You're right, he

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Speaker 1: Yeah they're worth two. You know they're worth two, and

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Speaker 1: years ago. He kind of had taken a bit of

431
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Speaker 1: a step and then regressed last year. So I think

432
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 1: there's just frustrating things about Carr. He's a good quarterback.

433
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: He's a good quarterback. He's an accurate quarterback. He throws

434
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 1: a nice ball, he's got decent arm strength, he's got

435
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 1: good mobility. I think it's the thing about Derek is

436
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: you can't point to the stats. You have to watch

437
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: the games to see when these plays appear over and

438
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 1: over again in the red zone, interceptions in the red zone,

439
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: just missing receivers in the red zone, in the field

440
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: shrinks and pressure is on you a little bit quicker.

441
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: Late game mistakes, the fumbles when you're fleeing the pocket

442
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 1: way too early. I think it's things like that that

443
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: frustrated John Gruden. And you heard about how he was

444
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: constantly looking for another quarterback, which is funny that he's

445
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: in New Orleans trying to coach him up. Now. I

446
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: know that's an interesting one, but so I think eliminating

447
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: that you probably take a step back and skill level

448
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: with Garoppolo, but perhaps you just feel better about eliminating

449
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: all of those things that were frustrating in one score losses,

450
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: in games that you had the lead in the fourth

451
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 1: quarter and ended up losing. I think that just finally

452
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: caught up to Derek Carr and his relationship with Josh McDaniels,

453
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: and they chose to go, you know, with Garoppolo. So

454
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Speaker 1: I don't think is he better, is he worth? He's

455
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: just different. I think they're I think they're comparable and

456
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Speaker 1: how you feel about them quarterbacking your team, and they're

457
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 1: just different.

458
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Speaker 2: The Josh Jacobs situation is certainly one to monitor because

459
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: he was the best running back in football last year

460
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Speaker 2: and if they don't have him at the beginning of

461
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 2: the year, especially or if you know, Jimmy G's not healthy,

462
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a completely different looking offense.

463
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they have a you know, they they they don't

464
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Speaker 1: have a lot of death. It's a team that does

465
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: not have a lot of depth. Their secondary is still

466
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: a huge issue and their offensive line is still a

467
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: huge issue. And those are two very very important position

468
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: groups when it comes to winning football games. So I

469
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: think you're right saying on paper, looks like they're the

470
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: fourth best team in the division. And you'd hope the

471
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: Chargers can sweep that that two game series Week four

472
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Speaker 1: and Week fifteen on Thursday Night.

473
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Speaker 2: So let's move to the Broncos. And you talked about

474
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Speaker 2: them a little bit at the beginning Week fourteen and

475
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Speaker 2: Week seventeen. This year, They're not going to see Sean

476
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 2: Payton's group until late late late in the year, so

477
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 2: we'll know exactly know what they are, right, we'll know

478
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 2: exactly who they are. The Broncos, I think they got

479
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 2: better simply because of their head coach. Their defensive coordinator

480
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: is new Vance Joseph. We saw Vance Joseph with the

481
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: Cardinals last year where the Chargers beat them late in

482
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Speaker 2: that game. You mentioned it. Their defense is really really good.

483
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Speaker 2: I thought Russell Wilson maybe had his best game of

484
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Speaker 2: the season against the Chargers in Week eighteen. It was

485
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: a weird game for the Chargers. They were in The

486
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 2: defense was playing pretty well going into that game. But

487
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: you know what, I almost give the team a mulligan

488
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: there because of the just weird situation when you have

489
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 2: a playoff spot locked in and you know guys are

490
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 2: coming in and out, but their offense is gonna be

491
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 2: better money, it'll be better to what extent? How much

492
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: better is it going to be incrementally better? Is it

493
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: going to be leaps and bounds better. We'll see what

494
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 2: kind of magic Sean Payton can work, coupled with how

495
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 2: easy Russell Wilson is gonna make it on Sean Payton

496
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: in terms of doing what he wants Russell to do.

497
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 2: They have weapons up and down. You know, Javonte Williams

498
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: at the running back position coming back from an ACL injury.

499
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: You hear rumors about them maybe in the mix for

500
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook if Williams isn't quite ready for Week one.

501
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: They they upgraded their offensive line led by Mike mclinchey.

502
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: So this is gonna be a decent team. And I

503
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: think the Chargers are gonna have to be ready for

504
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: those those matchups because I think they're both going to

505
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 2: mean something late in December and January.

506
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, we'll know what they are by then.

507
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: We know the defense is is dominant. It's it's all.

508
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: I mean, even though they traded Bradley Chubb, they still

509
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: have you know, we have We didn't see Randy Gregory

510
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: last year. He was he was injured or out for

511
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: most of the seasons. So he's coming back. I like

512
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: Zach Allen a lot. I thought he was one of

513
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: the more underrated edge players out there, just because he

514
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: was kind of performing in anonymity out there in Arizona.

515
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: So and the secondary, you know, it's just it's it's

516
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: pat certain how good he is cannot be put into words.

517
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: He's a show Adams that right, Yes, I saw the quote.

518
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,719
Speaker 2: He said, Uh, he's just not ready yet. He's not

519
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: ready yet. Yeah, but he is, he's ready. Maybe just

520
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 2: maybe not for Davante.

521
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's fine, He's and you know, and then

522
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: that safety Tan and we talked about a Kareem Jackson

523
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: and Justin Simmons. It's it's the best safety tandem in football.

524
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: So now you're dealing with that. You've got a lockdown corner.

525
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: You've got, you know, Kareem Jackson and Justin Simmons on

526
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: the back end, and you've got a decent pass rush

527
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: up front. Their linebackers leave you, you know, wanting a

528
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: little bit. You know, Josie Jewel and al Baron Browning

529
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: play pretty well against the Chargers, seems like every time

530
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: they tangle. But you're right, it's going to come. There's

531
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Speaker 1: a reason why they hired Sean Payton. There's a reason

532
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: why they let go Vic Fangio. They had the most

533
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: dominant defense in the league year in and year out,

534
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: or at least in the conversation as such, and they

535
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: decided to let him go because the offense just could

536
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: not catch up. And now they bring in a guy

537
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: who's considered one of the better and brightest offensive minds

538
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: in the last twenty years in the NFL to fix

539
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: an offense. It's got a lot of talent. You know,

540
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson looked like he was carrying about ten to

541
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds too much last year, and it looks like

542
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: he shed that extra weight. We know how dangerous he

543
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: is when he's running around, and he just really didn't

544
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: do that last year until Week eighteen when he played

545
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: the Chargers, and all of a sudden, Russells running around

546
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, this is this is what we remember.

547
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: This is what took him to two Super Bowls and

548
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: one one, Like we remember this now this makes sense.

549
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: So we know the pass catchers are good. Their first

550
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: round picks or high second round picks. They've kind of

551
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: got that basketball team of big body outside receiver Sutton,

552
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: technical route runner Jerry Judy and you know, super quick

553
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: kJ Hamler, Tim Patrick, like you've got you kind of

554
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: got everything in there. So and we saw Dulcich he

555
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: had a huge game against the Chargers that second game.

556
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: He's gonna be good. So yeah, Javan and by the way,

557
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: when you don't play him until week fourteen, yeah, well

558
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: guess what, Javonte William's gonna be healthy by then. And

559
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: he is a hammer, an absolute hammer. So this is

560
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: a really, really good team. I will not be surprised

561
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: in the least to see them bounce back and make

562
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: a run. And I think that's something to remember. All

563
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: the people that were talking about the juggernaut that was

564
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: the AFC West last year certainly didn't turn out that way.

565
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: But remember why you said that and what it was

566
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: that you that led you to that that idea. That's

567
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: the Broncos this year, they're still that team. They are

568
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: still that team, and they got one of the best

569
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: coaches in the league.

570
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: Now, they didn't have a first round pick, but they

571
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: did get Marvin Mims. You mentioned all those playmakers. Add

572
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: him to the mix now too, Yeah Mims. So basically

573
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: Mims and Patrick basically knew me.

574
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Speaker 1: They probably don't even want to see him. You got

575
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: Patrick Hamler, Sutton Judy. I mean, how about that for

576
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: a top four? So yeah, and again they're I won't

577
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: be surprised if they want to run the hell out

578
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: of the ball. If he's like you, know what, it

579
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: really worked pretty well for Pete up in Seattle. They

580
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: won a lot of games and won a Super Bowl.

581
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Speaker 1: And Broncos have a Marshall, you know, a Marshawn Lynch

582
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: tight back that does not go down on first contact

583
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: and gets stronger as the game goes on and can

584
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: really be a weapon in the fourth quarter. I would

585
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: not be surprised if, like you said, Chris, they go

586
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: after Dalvin Cook and they really tried to build this

587
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: thing around the run and play action and take your

588
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: shots here and there. It's not on your shoulders, you know,

589
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, we don't care how much money you're making.

590
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: Let's just go in games and you make plays when

591
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: you have to.

592
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Speaker 2: I think last year, too, was an example of just

593
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: how important structure is within an organization. We weren't in

594
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: the building, but by all indications, Russell was kind of

595
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: running everything right. He had his own office and it

596
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: was you know, he's he's the CEO of the of

597
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: the offense essentially, and that doesn't work. That doesn't work.

598
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: That's why Sean Payton's gonna come in. And I think

599
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: just by that, it's just that one simple subtraction of

600
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Speaker 2: Nathaniel Hackett to Sean Payton is going to make this

601
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: team a professional outfit again and they're going to be

602
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: a force to be reckoned with. I think so the

603
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: charge players and they got players. Yeah, they got guys.

604
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: That leads us to the Chiefs money. I want to

605
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: rat off a few of these stats. Patrick Mahomes is

606
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: twenty seven to three against the AFC West. He's never

607
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: lost a road game in the AFC West. The only

608
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: teams that have I think they lost to the Raiders

609
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: and then they lost to the Chargers twice barely one. Patrick, Yeah, Yeah,

610
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes is rarefied air right now. The one thing

611
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: that Chargers fans should look forward to is the fact

612
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: that Justin Herbert has had a fourth quarter lead in

613
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: every single game against Patrick Mahomes. They haven't finished. That's

614
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: not only Herbert that's on the team, that's on the defense,

615
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: but they have been in every single game that they've

616
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: played against Patrick Mahomes. Justin Herbert. Third and fourth quarter

617
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: scoring is going to be I think the biggest thing

618
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: in terms of just getting over the hump with the Chiefs,

619
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Speaker 2: especially in that fourth quarter, because we've seen a way

620
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: too many times where the Chiefs have something in the

621
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: fourth quarter for the Chargers, Chargers don't have enough gas.

622
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: We talked a lot about Kellen Moore last last week,

623
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: and I just looked at the third quarter and fourth

624
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: quarter scoring of the Cowboys versus the Chargers. Again, personnel

625
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: Dallas is different, but Kellen was calling the place. Fourth

626
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: quarter scoring last year Dallas was number three in the

627
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: NFL seven point seven the Chargers twenty five, five point

628
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: one third quarter scoring Dallas number five in the NFL

629
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Speaker 2: six point one points per game. The Chargers twenty ninth

630
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: two point nine points per game. Only Tampa Denver last

631
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: year we just talked about in Pittsburgh were worse. So again,

632
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: just the addition of Kellen Moore, you hope, is enough

633
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: to at least put the Chargers in the conversation to

634
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: win the AFC West for the first time since two

635
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: thousand and nine. It's gonna take a herculean effort to

636
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: dethrone the Chiefs. I realized that I think they've won

637
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: the division seven straight seasons, but they've been so close, man.

638
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: And if they're healthy, and if they have an offense

639
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: that can stain points in the second half of games

640
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: in a defense that can get a stop. Maybe we're

641
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: talking about Chargers winning the AFC West for the first

642
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: time in thirteen seasons.

643
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Speaker 1: Well, like we said that, this goes back a couple

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Speaker 1: weeks when we talked about Brandon Staley's defense when we

645
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Speaker 1: had Lindsay and Jeff Miller on and we talked about

646
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Speaker 1: how you go into these games and you feel like

647
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Speaker 1: Staley's got a really good game plan in the first half.

648
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: And you think about that Week two matchup in Kansas

649
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: City with all the interceptions again that should have been

650
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: interceptions and the ability to maybe go up big and

651
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: they just weren't able to cash those in. But then

652
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: I look at the game, it's so far that really

653
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: could have changed things. You know, the Chargers win that,

654
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: they improved the six and four, the Chiefs slipped to

655
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: seven and three. Now you've split the season series and

656
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: you're back in this mix. Instead, they start the second

657
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: half up twenty to thirteen. They had to settle for

658
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: a field goal, remember at the end of the half,

659
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: because and they were knocking on the door. It was

660
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: like a third and one and they couldn't punch it

661
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: in from the goal from from again it was like

662
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: the two or something like that. They had to kick

663
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: the field goal, which again that goes back to the

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Speaker 1: what happened to the aggressive mentality. It's the Chiefs. You

665
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: got to score touchdowns, not field goal anyway. So they're

666
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: up twenty to thirteen. Started the second half, they punt,

667
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: the Chiefs get a field goal. Second possession, three and out,

668
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: they punt, Chiefs get a touchdown, and now all of

669
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're down twenty three to twenty and the

670
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: next possession they fumble. And it's just that that's how

671
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: you lose games to the Chiefs. You cannot make mistakes.

672
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: You just can't. And last year felt like the year.

673
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: Looking at it, you're like, all right, look at this defense.

674
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: They've got all these young guys. They've reset their secondary.

675
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: They're playing rookies at corner and safety, and you know

676
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: Jalen Watson and Trent McDuffie are out there and this

677
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: is the time to go get him, and they weren't

678
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: able to cash that in. Now those guys are a

679
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: year older, they're Super Bowl champions. They've certainly got a

680
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: ton of confidence. They've been able to reset on these

681
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: cheaper contracts, and we know, like you said, you've got

682
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: to close out. You know, the defense has got to

683
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: come up big. It's hard. It's hard to do that. Again,

684
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: someone who's going to be in the conversation is the

685
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: greatest quarterback in the history of this game. It is

686
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: very hard. So when he extends those plays, man, things

687
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: get tough. So and it's interesting. I went back and

688
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: looked at the advanced metrics and the quarterback hurries and

689
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: the win rate, Like Joey Bosa's win rate in the

690
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: two games against the Chiefs, it's like thirty five percent.

691
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he just ate Orlando Brown's lunch in those games.

692
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: But and then you'll see, oh, when he had three

693
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: pressures and three quarterback hits, and then you go look

694
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: at the pressures and the hits and it's like, yeah,

695
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: he's there, he hit him. But Mahomes is throwing a

696
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: dump off pass to Travis Kelce because he had that

697
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: extra second for those guys to just get on that

698
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: same wavelength and break your heart. And that's I can't

699
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: even imagine what it's like as a defender to feel like, man,

700
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: I am busting this guy up and I'm running in place,

701
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: and they're scoring thirty points and we got as a team.

702
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: You know, twelve hurries, eight quarterback hits, two sacks and

703
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: they're putting up thirty and that's just that's the Chiefs

704
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: is the one where you said it. Kellen Moore, who

705
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: was able to devise different game plans week in and

706
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: week out with the Cowboys depending on his opponent, did

707
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: a really good job of This week, we're leaning on

708
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: Zeke and Toni Pollard. Next week we're leaning on Ceedee

709
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: Lamb and Dak Prescott, Like that's where he's gonna make

710
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: his bones. What's your game plan for the Chiefs? Can

711
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: you not start the second half punt fumble and go

712
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: from leading by seven to trailing by three?

713
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: Money December sixteenth, twenty twenty one. This is the game

714
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: that I really thought that this conversation would be in

715
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: the rear view and the Chargers would actually win the division.

716
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: They had already beaten the Chiefs earlier in the year

717
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: in Arrowhead SOFI Stadium Thursday Night Football. They're up at

718
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: the half, they lose in overtime thirty four to twenty eight.

719
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Speaker 2: Had they won that game, they would have had the

720
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: season sweep over the Kansas City Chiefs. The records would

721
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: have been tied, and the Chargers had games against the

722
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Speaker 2: Houston Texans, the Broncos, who are not good that year,

723
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 2: and then that Raiders game. It was a COVID year.

724
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 2: It was all wacky. We know what happened in Houston

725
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: that following week, but I almost feel like the deflation

726
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: of that loss had some carryover as well. The Charges

727
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: were this close to winning the AFC West in twenty

728
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: twenty one. I don't know if people fully realize it.

729
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: They would have had the season sweep over the Chiefs

730
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: after a Thursday night football game. They would have had

731
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Speaker 2: extra rest, tons of motivation to go to Houston despite

732
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: having a bunch of guys out with COVID in finishing

733
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: the season as AFC West champions. The closest they got

734
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 2: was twenty eighteen when Anthony Lynn was the head coach.

735
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: They're twelve and four, and you know the Chiefs is

736
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 2: a tiebreaker over them, But just think about that, Brandon

737
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: Staley's first year, they were this close. They were this

738
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: close to the vision. You know, they played well, and

739
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 2: they always play the Chiefs well. Well is not good enough?

740
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: Right right close is not good enough. But justin Herbert

741
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 2: and you're four a healthy roster. I don't put it

742
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: out of the realm of possibilities. I'll put it that way.

743
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: The Chiefs have dominated a division like nobody's business right now.

744
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: You look around the entire NFL, there's nobody close in

745
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 2: terms of domination Andy Reid and Patrick Homes. When you

746
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: don't lose road games in the division, you're dominating, You're

747
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 2: doing things that nobody's ever done in the NFL. That's

748
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 2: what the Charges are up against each and every year.

749
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: But they're so freaking close, man, Like, That's why I

750
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: think you have to be you have to be encouraged

751
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: by how Justin Herbert has played against Patrick Mahomes and

752
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: how the Chiefs and Chargers have played really over the

753
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: last several years, even dating back to Philip Rivers, every

754
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: game comes down to the wire. The Charges have just

755
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: not been on the right end.

756
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm hopeful. I know a lot of people pointed

757
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: to the Week eighteen game against the Chiefs and how

758
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: that's when you want it. It's a bonus because the

759
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: Chiefs wrap up the division seemingly every year by Week

760
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: fifteen or something, so you get a break and maybe

761
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: that's just a win because Mahomes isn't going to play.

762
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: I hope that's not the case. I hope that's for

763
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: the division. That's what the NFL is hoping that that's

764
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: your Sunday night football game in primetime or the Saturday

765
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: night game in primetime that everyone's going to tune into,

766
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: and it's going to be for the division. Week seven

767
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: is hit October twenty second. They catch a break. Every

768
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: single season, it feels like the Chargers have been sent

769
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: to Kansas City on a short week or in prime

770
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: time and dealing with one of the most hostile environments

771
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: that's now magnified because it's a primetime game or it's

772
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: a late game and people have been getting all lubed

773
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: up in that parking lot, which is probably the best

774
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: tailgate in all of the NFL, and it's just a

775
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: it's a cauldron of anger and vitriol that you have

776
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: to try to navigate along with playing the most dominant

777
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: team in football the last five years. So I'm happy

778
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: that it's just a standard Sunday afternoon game October twenty

779
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: second at Arrowhead. We have not had one of those,

780
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: it feels like in a long time against the Chiefs,

781
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:51,959
Speaker 1: but damn money.

782
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: The only problem with that is that it is a

783
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: short week because they played Monday night football against the Cowboys,

784
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: so they it's standard. But again you still the little

785
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 2: list of breaks the Chargers can't catch against the Cheeks.

786
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: It's true. Now, it's a fair point. It's a fair point.

787
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: It's a shorter week. However, that well not even However,

788
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: the one thing that I'm hopeful is that j C.

789
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: Jackson is who we think he is, and he's healthy

790
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: and he's found his rhythm. Because now when you have

791
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: three corners, however they want to divvy it up wherever

792
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: they may go with Sante and Mikey Davis and j C. Jackson.

793
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: If you can just get that extra beat, let's turn

794
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: those hits and hurries into sacks because it's not open

795
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: because Patrick Mahlmes can't find that extra guy. Because you've

796
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: got three viable, legitimate, potentially Pro Bowl cornerbacks out there

797
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: that are able to give your defensive front, Morgan Fox

798
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: and Joey and Khalil that just that split second that

799
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: they need to turn hits to sacks. Look, they got

800
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: to him man in Week two. They were all over

801
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: him in that first quarter. Like I said, there were interceptions.

802
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: There should have been interceptions. There were BS penalties that

803
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: nullified interceptions. And they had it. Staley had the game

804
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: plan laid out, the players executed it, and they deserved

805
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: the better fate than they had. Rush into the line

806
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: on a first and goal from the three was just

807
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: in it. It drove me crazy all last season, the

808
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: hurry up. I could chart all of the hurry if

809
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: I had the time to go through it. I could

810
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,479
Speaker 1: chart all the hurry up plays that Joe Lombardi tried

811
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: to run, and I would put their success rates somewhere

812
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: around one percent. And that was the worst of the bunch,

813
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: hurrying to a first and goal from the three and

814
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: throwing a pick six in that Week two game and

815
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: completely flipping that game on its head after you had

816
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 1: dominated completely up until that point. So there's it sounds

817
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: like a lot of you know, peeing and moan and

818
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: what ifs, But I think it's because they are so

819
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 1: close and it's just so hard to get over that hump,

820
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: especially when it's such a small hump. It feels like

821
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: the way these two teams play each other.

822
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chargers fans have lived it, you know, they know

823
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: all about this. Rivalry. They know all about the heydays

824
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: of Rivers and LT and when they were winning the

825
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: AFC West, and it seems like it's long overdue for

826
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: that to come back around. Maybe twenty twenty three is

827
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 2: that year, Sope. So yeah, well, we'll be at camp

828
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks. Next week we will dive

829
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: into training camp, preview, everything you need to know, position battles,

830
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: guys to watch as we get ready for another season

831
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: to Chargers football. And then money'll be We'll be at

832
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: Jack Hammond. Hopefully we can get some players to sit

833
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: down with us like we did last year.

834
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Speaker 1: It'll be fun, absolutely every week.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it, yep, let's do it all right for money?

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Speaker 2: I'm Chris. This has been Chargers Weekly. Thanks was

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Speaker 1: Stret