1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Ron Anian, it's tough to stay true to form because 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: there's so many outside pressures. There's so many things that 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: eat on you each and every week as a shop owner, 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: as a mechanic, as a person, and what they given. 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Because I'm working. 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: For live. 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: Fucking the Car Doctor. Maybe we should get t shirts made. 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: We could have a national campaign. Right, ron A amand 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: car Doctor on the back of WWRD across the front 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: million Did you see it? Tom plex shirts? Gray letters right, 11 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: just WWRDA. You never know, so I listen. I was 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: wrong once. 13 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 3: Welcome to the radio home of ron Anian, the Car 14 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 3: Doctor since nineteen ninety one. This is where car owners 15 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 17 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 3: the phone and call in. The garage doors are opening. 18 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: But I am here to take your calls at eight 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: five five five six ninety nine hundred pee. 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: Running. 21 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: How do you know when the car is fixed? How 22 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: do you know? You know? When you know? You know 23 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: when the computer tells you. In some cases, we had 24 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: an O eight Jeep Grand Cherokee this week that came 25 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: in for a P zero four fifty five and a 26 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: P zero four fifty six. Both of those are evaporative 27 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: emissions fault codes to refresh your memory. Evapp emissions are 28 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: basically a way to vent the gas that's in the tank, 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: vent the fuel system to atmosphere without putting fumes into 30 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: the atmosphere. They vent out through a charcoal canister, they 31 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: vent out through a vent valve. They've bent out through 32 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: some type of a control device that will, you know, 33 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: limited its operation to the correct moment in time so 34 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: that it doesn't when it wants to to help lower 35 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: and reduce emissions to prevent unnecessary release. Evapp emissions are 36 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: pretty straightforward, right You've heard me talk about this, We've 37 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: I've said to you before. Basically, it's there's a front 38 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: vent valve device or a purge as it's commonly referred to, 39 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: and there's a vent valve, a purge in event front door, 40 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: back door. We say it all the time. The gas tanks, 41 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: the piece in the middle. It's like your house. If 42 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: you open up the front door to your house and 43 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: you want to let air through, you really need to 44 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: open up the back door so that it can move 45 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: freely without being restricted by internal pressure. In the house, okay. 46 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: And if you were to put a fan at the 47 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: front door and pull air out of the house, opening 48 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: a window in the back always alleviates that pressure and 49 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: creates nice flow through. And that's the way evap systems work. 50 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: A P zero four fifty five is rated as a 51 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: large leak. And when we say large leak, it's forty 52 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: thousands of an inch of drop of vacuum by a 53 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: standard vacuum gauge, So it's probably twice the thickness of 54 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: the hair on your head, all right. A P zero 55 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: four fifty six is twenty thousands, it's half that, so 56 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: it's one hair on your head, all right. That's the 57 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: production tolerance is That's how tight of a system we're 58 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: trying to create and have been trying to create all 59 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: these many years. So when this cheep grand cherokee came in, 60 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: it was pretty much the same diagnosis we do all 61 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: the time. I went about and I pulled the code. 62 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: These are the codes I've got. I went and did 63 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: some functional checking, does the purge operate? Does the event operate? 64 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: And then I went and smoked the system. All right, 65 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: I'm looking for leaks, and to smoke this particular jeep. 66 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: There's no test port. Chrysler doesn't give you a you know, 67 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: you might if you're working on cars, or you're doing 68 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:37,839 Speaker 1: it yourself, or you're on the hood of your car, 69 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: you'll see that green capped test port. It looks like 70 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: a tire strader valve in the middle of a plastic tube. 71 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: In some cases that's the test port for EVAP. Well, 72 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: Chrysler didn't do that this particular model year. So I 73 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: disconnected the there's a two hose rubber nipple assembly going 74 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: to the purge valve. I disconnected there and I tapped 75 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: my red line smoke machine into the line that feeds 76 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: back to the tank and the vent and turned on 77 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: the smoke. Went to the back of the vehicle, found 78 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: the vent line, which is actually attached to the ESUM, 79 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: which is the emissions control module. They put on the 80 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: charcoal canister and plug that and I had a leak. 81 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: You could see it. There was smoke coming out of 82 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: the um, all right. The ESUM is this small, rectangular 83 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: an inch by three inch plastic housing that's got a 84 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: reed style switch in it. The way an ESOM works 85 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: is think of when you go to a carnival, right, 86 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: the guy hits the lever with the mallet and if 87 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: he's strong enough, it rings the bell. Right, the slide 88 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: goes all the way up and dang, and you hear 89 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: the guy hit the bell right. Well, an ESOMB measures 90 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: internal pressure on the system. And after the vehicle sat 91 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: for so much time, depending upon a lot of things, 92 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: ambient temperature, amount of fuel in the tank, how long 93 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: since it last moved, and a host of other factors, 94 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: eventually that slide hammer goes forward and rings the bell. 95 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: If it rings the bell, the system passes. If it 96 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: doesn't ring the bell, it fails turns on a code. 97 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: So in this case, the ESOM wouldn't work because where 98 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: the electrical connector came through you can see it. And 99 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: we've actually put together a video for this, and I'll 100 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: let you know when it's up on YouTube. It's in 101 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: edit right now as we speak. That it actually corroded 102 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: and rotted through the plastic housing. It looked like a 103 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: battery terminal that had gone bed where it actually rotted 104 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: away the plastic and created this massive leak in the ESUM. 105 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: Hey guess what, here's my problem. Great, right, got a 106 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: new um, put it in, made sure it was sealed 107 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: smoked it again. I had integrity, no more leaks. I 108 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: was able to put it through a service bay functionality test. 109 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: Most scan tools today will allow you to do a 110 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: large leak test. Nobody, not even the manufacturer, allows you 111 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: to do a small system leak test. But I was 112 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: able to put it through a large Arge League test, 113 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: which proved to me the purge valve work, the ven 114 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: valve work, the front and the back doors open and closed. 115 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: The system had integrity. It's fixed, Let it go. I 116 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: gotta say I was never more sure about a repair 117 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: as I was about this one. 118 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 2: Drove. 119 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: It got monitors, Hey, this car is fixed, this car 120 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: is ready. The only monitor I didn't get to run 121 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: was EVAP, and frankly, I didn't really try that hard 122 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: because we were running short on time that particular Wednesday, 123 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: and I knew the system had integrity. I knew I 124 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: had a hard failure of a leak on that em 125 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: What could go wrong? Famous list words. You know, I 126 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: really enjoy my customers at the shop, and Stevie is 127 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: right there at the top of the list because he's 128 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: always got this really great attitude. He gets it. He's 129 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: he's a parts guy at a local dealership. He sells 130 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: mos the parts over the counter, and he sees the 131 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: pitfalls and the problems with the industry, so he understands 132 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: when things go wrong. He came in, I explained the 133 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: whole drill to him. I explained what we had done. 134 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: He understood that great connection I have with Stevie, like 135 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: so many other customers like you my listeners shook hands, 136 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: said thank you very much, Stevie. I'll see you next time. 137 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: Went outside, started the car, check engine light popped on. God, 138 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna be one of those Wednesdays. A quarter after five, 139 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: went outside, did a quick scan, P zero four fifty six. Well, 140 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: at least a four to fifty five didn't come back. 141 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: So I was looking for a pinhole leak somewhere, something 142 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: twenty thousands of an inch dropping vacuum over a set 143 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: period of time. Stevie was dropping off his Honda for 144 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: some exhaust works. I said, Stevie, take the Honda, give 145 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: me a day or two. Let me see what's going 146 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: on here. I could have a bad new part, right, 147 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: what is new? Meat never ever worked? Anything's possible. 148 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: So I. 149 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: Got into it the next day. And you know, I 150 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: always remember Dad. Dad always said you're obligated to go 151 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: back over your work and never assume anything, and you've 152 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: got to go through steps take it in order. So 153 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: I took it in order. I treated it like I 154 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: was diagnosing the problem from the beginning, and I couldn't 155 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: find anything. Nothing, Nothing was bad. The m work that 156 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: was sealed, the system had integrity, the system sealed, the 157 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: system that everything it was supposed to do. But yet 158 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: the problem was staring me right in the face. I 159 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: thought about it. I had that I'm now famous for 160 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: a cup of tea, sat down, thought about it, read 161 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: procedure on when the monitor runs and how it runs, 162 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: just to keep my brain active and thinking about it. 163 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: And I said, you know, I've tested everything but the 164 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: line going back to the purge valve, not the purge 165 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: valve itself, because I had already tested that and I 166 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: didn't believe that was a problem. How do I know 167 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: the fitting at the purge valve is any good? I didn't. 168 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: I never tested it right, and that's the test point. 169 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: I didn't test. The test point, is my point. So 170 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: I split the system in the middle Chrysler when it 171 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: connects the back half of the EVAPP system to the 172 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: front half there's a straight pull apart, quick disconnect. I 173 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: pulled it apart, and I blew smoke that way. I 174 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: blew it towards the front of the vehicle. Sure enough, 175 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 1: the flow pede did not drop. The flow ped did 176 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: not go to zero. It was just up enough, you know. 177 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: I could see it was just right around twenty two 178 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: thousands of an inch of a vacuum. 179 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: Like. 180 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: One of the things I really love about the Redline 181 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: smoke machine is it's very accurate and it's graduation on 182 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: the flow meter, and it told me exactly what it was. 183 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: I said, Hey, my leak is this way, not that way, 184 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: lowered the vehicle down, started looking looking looking right where 185 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: the purge valve connects to that rubber nipple. You know, 186 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: did I tell you the part where this is a 187 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: fifteen year old vehicle with one hundred and fifty five 188 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: thousand miles on it, and how the rubber is starting 189 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: to dry out? And I have to believe since I 190 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: disturbed it pulled the rubber off the purge to make 191 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: that my test point. When it went back on. You ever, 192 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: notice how rubber is kind of supple, there's a softness 193 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: to it, while this purge nipple t was it was soft, 194 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: but it wasn't soft enough. Put a little dab of silicon, 195 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: took took some spray silicon. Didn't want to spray it 196 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: directly into the hose, but put it on the end 197 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: of my pocket screwdriver, wiped it around the inside of 198 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: the rubber like you would a Q tip, put the 199 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: nipple back onto the purge valve and kind of just 200 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: sort of, you know, snugged it up and just kind 201 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: of got it right up to the collar, so it 202 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: was all the way in buried up to the hilt, 203 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: and my problem went away fixed. You know, it's funny, right, 204 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: You can't assume anything and you have to look for 205 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: the ridiculous sometimes and it really comes back to you've 206 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: got to look at the system, how does it work, 207 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: what's it's supposed to do. You're obligated to go over 208 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: your work, and it's never safe to assume that anything 209 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: is fixed until when when the computer tells you it's fixed. 210 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: Because the monitor ran, the code didn't come back, and 211 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: neither did the check engine light. Stevie picked up the 212 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: truck on Friday. It took me about an hour, but 213 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: it's something you got to go through. That's the life 214 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: of a mechanic. Eight five five, five six nine nine hundred. 215 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm ronning any in the car doctor. I'll be back 216 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: right after this. Don't go away. He drives that way. 217 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 3: But when it comes to fixing cars, Ron has car 218 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 3: advice done right. 219 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: Eight five to five, five six zero nine to nine 220 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: zero zero. Here's Ron. Hey, let's get let's open up 221 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: the phones and let's go to David in Maine on 222 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: nine Toyota Corolla. David, Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir, 223 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: how can I help? 224 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: Good afternoon. I'm one of your fans on your radio broadcast. 225 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: They have a Japanese made zero nine Perta Corolla one 226 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: point eight leader. And the problem is, and I'll give 227 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 2: you a very brief crackout on it. 228 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: Go ahead. 229 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: Problem started with the spikes on an alternator that had 230 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 2: a twenty thousand miles on it. We spiked up to 231 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: seventeen volts on the digital meter and the place we 232 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: got the alternator checked it out and found the same thing. 233 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: We replaced the alternator. Any light on the dash stayed 234 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: on and it would only have charge about thirteen seven 235 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: thirteen eight. Dealer checked that out, found a broken wire 236 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: but since they also said the mixture CONTROLS two sensor 237 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: was not working and they diagnosed it as a bad sensor, 238 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: we replaced the sensor, and now we've checked out the 239 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: wiring and we find that the wiring is dead. Dealer said, 240 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 2: the only time they've seen that happen is for the 241 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 2: bad hues. Right now, we're trying to track down every 242 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: wire in it and we don't have a clue what's 243 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 2: going on other than it's not working. The downstream O 244 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: two sensor the after the cat is showing a very 245 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 2: rich mixture coming out of the catalytic converter. 246 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: Well, hang on a second, David, if the charging system 247 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: isn't functioning right, all right, I want to focus on 248 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: that first, because if the charging system isn't working right, 249 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: that's going to affect how the computer does its operation. 250 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: It's you're basically feeding poor quality electricity to a computer, 251 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: just as if your house was signing the power failure. 252 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: Say it again, that's been fixed. That's been fixed. It's 253 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 2: now charging at fourteen one point five to fourteen to 254 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: two even under loads. Okay, everything is working there allegedly, So. 255 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: Well, well, is it fixed or isn't it Because it's 256 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: going to affect how I explained the diagnosis from here. 257 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is definitely fixed. 258 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: Okay. And what fixed that? 259 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: Uh, there was a broken wire that goes from the 260 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 2: alternator to the ECM unit. Okay, am unit. Ory was 261 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 2: checked out by the dealer and they said it was 262 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: working fine. 263 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: Okay. So the problem isn't that the alternator is overcharging. 264 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 1: The problem now is what. 265 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: The O two sensor that does the mixture control is 266 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 2: not working? Okay, So the mixture is running way too rich. 267 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: Okay. So so if you unplug that O two censor, 268 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: what does the vehicle do? Where does fuel trim go? 269 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: Where? Mike, where does the field trim go? When we 270 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: unplug the O two sensor to say the same haven't 271 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: tested that yet, Okay. 272 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: You know, if we take the two censor out of 273 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: the equation, what does the vehicle do? Does it respond 274 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: if we check if we check O two censor ground? 275 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: There's four wires at the O two sensor right, there 276 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: has to. 277 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: Be right, and one of them's a black wire. 278 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: Well, forget colors. One of them is going to be power, 279 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: one of them is going to be the heater coming down. 280 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: One of them is going to be the ground for 281 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: the heater. One of them is going to be signal 282 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: coming down and the other one is going to be 283 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: returned voltage back to the PCM. And there might be 284 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: a ground. One of those might be a ground also 285 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: back to the PCUM. I take that back. There might 286 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: be redundant ground. Have those been checked out? 287 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: We're going to check them out now. 288 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: Okay, because the problem, the concern I've got is, you know, 289 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: we went from one wiring problem to another wiring problem. Correct, 290 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: So are you you know what does a wiring diagram 291 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: tell you? You are following a wiring diagram? 292 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: Right, David, that's correct? Okay, got on the computer? 293 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: You have what on the computer wiring diagram? 294 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 2: The wiring diagram? 295 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so you know, let's take the two centsor out 296 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: of the equation. Let's take let's take there should be 297 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: an upstream and a downstream O two here, all right, correct, 298 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: Let's take the secondary O two out of the equation. 299 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: Does that change anything? My curiosity is is the computer 300 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: somehow damaged as a result of it being overcharged from 301 00:15:55,320 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: the alternator? That's my question too, right, And that's my concern. 302 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: And if I can't, if I can't baseline the I 303 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: have to baseline the system now and verify if I'm 304 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: seeing a rich running condition. Is it strictly a rich 305 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: running condition? Do you look at fuel trims? Fuel trim high? 306 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: Are we adding fuel? Or is the computer does it? 307 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: How do I want to ask this question? Are you 308 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: going by how the exhaust smells. 309 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: We haven't smelled that yet, but we are going by 310 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: the fact that the two sensor after the CAT is 311 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: showing a very high level of fuel. It's not being 312 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: taken care of by the catalytic converter. 313 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: Wait ante, David, you're all over the place. What what 314 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: The two sensor after the cat will show a high 315 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: voltage of the time. Okay, it will not switch. What 316 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: what sort of a signal are you seeing? Are you 317 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: seeing a high voltage signal? 318 00:16:59,280 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: I believe we are. 319 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: Okay, that's normal. Good do me a favorite. Do you 320 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: have another car? Is there another car in the group? No, 321 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: you don't have. Between you and your friends, nobody owns 322 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: a different car. I want you to take the scan 323 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: tool and go look at a different vehicle. I want 324 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: you to understand how that works. Go look at a 325 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: downstream O two sensor on any modern day vehicle built 326 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: after the year two thousand. Look at the way that 327 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: Look at the way that two sensor reacts. A catalytic converter, 328 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: by design stores oxygen. That's what helps you create the 329 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: catalytic reaction. All right, lack of oxygen produces a high 330 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: voltage signal. If you're seeing a high voltage signal out 331 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: of that downstream, O too, that is a correct response. 332 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: And then every so many minutes milliseconds, however they're calibrate, 333 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: it is you going to see a drop when the 334 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: oxygen is reached as a catalytic converter reaches its maximum amount. 335 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: Go look at a good car. I think what you're 336 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: describing to me is a normal condition. So do you 337 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: really have a problem. Come back to me with codes 338 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: and more information. We can talk from there. I'm run 339 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 1: an any in the car doctor, I'll return right after this. 340 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 4: I'll be. 341 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back. Anything in the car doctor. Let's uh, let's 342 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: go to Dan in California. Dan, Welcome to the car doctor. 343 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: How can I help? 344 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 4: Hi? 345 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 2: Ron? 346 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 4: Pleasure to speak with you this morning, you too, sir. 347 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 5: Anyway, I have a two thousand and seven Chevy Equinox 348 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 5: seventy five thousand miles V six it has been overheating on. 349 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 5: It's actually my neighbors, but we've been trying to work 350 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 5: on it. We change the water pump, heat sensor from 351 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 5: a stat radiator was boiled out. And what happens is 352 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 5: you'll take it out and drive for maybe twenty miles, 353 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 5: is fine, box, It gets back in after maybe twenty minutes, 354 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 5: starts it up, can't go a mile. All of a 355 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 5: sudden it starts overheating again. 356 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 6: Okay, any idea? 357 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: Is it really overheating? Is my first question? In other words, 358 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: you're seeing boil over, you're seeing the bottle swelling, the 359 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: the you know, I'm saying, are there physical symptoms as 360 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: well as by. 361 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 6: The gauge boils over? 362 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: Okay? Boils over? All? 363 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: Right? 364 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: So, and all of this has been going on even 365 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: prior to the parts that we're replaced. 366 00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 6: Correct all right. 367 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: So, going on the assumption that all the all the 368 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: new parts in the work was done correctly, all right, 369 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: we're going to assume that the only place we can 370 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: go at the only place we can go at that 371 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: point is do we have an internal engine problem? Do 372 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: we have a head gasket that's failing? 373 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 5: And why? 374 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, why can't we Why can't we test that? We 375 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: can surely do that. Do you have a rubber glove 376 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: line around the house, you know, like a like a 377 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: rubber work glove, So why why why don't you go 378 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: out there? Take the cap off? What is is this 379 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: a radiator cap in the bottle or is this Yeah, 380 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: this is a cap in the bottle, right, not in 381 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: the not in the radiator itself, right, right, So why 382 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: don't we, when it's cold one morning, right, wrap the 383 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: rubber glove around the bottle, take the radiator cap off, 384 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: because that's what we're going to consider that. We're going 385 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: to sit of that an expansion tank with a radiator 386 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: cap and rubber band. Rubber band the rubber glove to 387 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: the bottle. Okay, go out there, go out there and 388 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: start it cold. Does it blow the rubber glove up 389 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: like a balloon? If it does? If it doesn't, it's cold. 390 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: Where's it coming from? It's internal pressure, right right? Okay, 391 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: I mean when an engine is hot, it'll blow it up. 392 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: But if you're telling me, you know, hey, ron, within 393 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: the first two minutes of running, it blew the rubber 394 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: It blew the rubber glove off, right, it popped it 395 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: off past the rubber bands. 396 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 5: But but that's it's still is still hot after Okay, 397 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 5: that's sure what I'm saying. 398 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: Issue. 399 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you don't know that. You don't know you 400 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: don't know that the symptoms not there cold the first 401 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: time you try it because you haven't done the test yet. 402 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true, right. 403 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: You're assuming. 404 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: Now. 405 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 1: The other way we could do this if we want 406 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: it to be more scientific, if you had access to 407 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: a five gas emissions analyzer. All right, okay, we could 408 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: we could you know, sniff the exhaust I'm sorry, sniff 409 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: the cooling, all right, and do we see do we 410 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: show traces of hydrocarbon? The other way you could do this. 411 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: There's two other ways you can do this if if 412 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: the rubber glove test doesn't leave you warm and fuzzy. Uh. 413 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: The third way you could do this is and I 414 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: know the spark plugs aren't easy to get to, but 415 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: you know, in the old days, if the engine had 416 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: accessible spark plugs, we would put a pressure tester on 417 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: the cooling system overnight and pull a couple of spark plugs, 418 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: and in the morning we'd look in the spark plug 419 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,719 Speaker 1: hole and do we see coolant in the cylinder. If 420 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: we saw coolant in the cylinder, we knew it was 421 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: pressurized and seeping overnight, and putting coolant insight on top 422 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: of the piston, all right, Then the other way. The 423 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: last way, the last way you can do this is 424 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: if you get down to your local auto zone. They 425 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: they will have a cylinder head gas get test where 426 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: they'll have a it's another tool to buy, but it's 427 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: a it's gonna be a bottle of blue dye with 428 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: a with a sucker for lack of a better way 429 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: to put it, that you're gonna put over the hot 430 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: coolant when the engine's warmed up and it's gonna it's 431 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: gonna draw a sample of the coolant gas up into 432 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: the tube and it'll change color from blue to green. 433 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: If it changes from blue to green or green to blue, 434 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: I forget which way it went. It's a sign of 435 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: hydrocarbons in the coolth and it's a sign of an 436 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: internal engine failure, usually a head gasket. Head gaskets were 437 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: not completely uncommon on those especially on a low mileage, 438 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: short trip vehicle. Is this vehicle driven a lot of 439 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: short trips? 440 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 5: That's exactly right, Yeah. 441 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: Because the head gasket had a problem where it was 442 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: constantly scrubbing against the expansion rate of the head itself, 443 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: and over time it would just beat the head gasket 444 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: to death. 445 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 5: Right, and you would never get right ahead. 446 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: And you know in your mind you're going, oh, it 447 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: can't be a head gasket. It's only got seventy five 448 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: thousand miles on it. Well, listen, you eliminated everything else, brother, right, 449 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: So if we eliminate the if we eliminate the obvious, 450 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: what we have left is the answer. But we can 451 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: prove it now by doing one of those four methods. 452 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: Something there is going to trip and ring the bell. 453 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 5: All right, all right, thanks, I really appreciate you. 454 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: Very welcome. Let us know how you make out. If 455 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: you need more, you know where to find me. Take 456 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: good care. We'll see you Dan. Yes, sir, very good. 457 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: Let's get over and let's let's go talk to Bob 458 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: and Almira New York and see what's going on here. Bob, 459 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: welcome to the car, doctor, sir. How can I help? 460 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 2: Hey? Ron? 461 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 4: All right, Bob, hopefully I get two for a nickel 462 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 4: in here. Sure, So, first question is I am the 463 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 4: house I'm in now? Is at a fifteen hundred foot level, 464 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 4: So I'm going up and down multiple times a day 465 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 4: when I'm going down. Any benefit to down shifting as 466 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 4: opposed to us using brakes? Obviously I'll use up the 467 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 4: break faster. But am I hurting the engine and the 468 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 4: engine mouth if I down here? 469 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you're putting a little more load on the 470 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: engine in the drive Train's the here's the answer to 471 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: the question. Every time I get this, which would you 472 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: rather use up faster the six thousand dollars transmission or 473 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: the fifteen hundred dollars worth of breaks? 474 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 4: Okay, that's what I talk to you, the ser the breaks, 475 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 4: so okay. 476 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: As simple as that. 477 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: So that was easy. 478 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, that was that was good. 479 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 4: But here's here's my comment about transmissions in general. I 480 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 4: have had this to Coleyota Camera XSC from twenty eighteen, 481 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 4: and I changed the transition fluid regularly. I went to 482 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 4: the dealership telling him I was having a little issue 483 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 4: on the transmission not shifting as smoothly as it used to. 484 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 4: They didn't want to touch it, they didn't want to 485 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 4: do the transition. Theydn't wanted me to waive everything about it, 486 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 4: saying I understand it can get worse. It's got one 487 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 4: hundred and eighteen thousand miles on it. The minute I 488 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 4: had to transmission fluid exchange performed by them. Now it 489 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 4: runs smooth silk again. Now, sometimes the dealers just are 490 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 4: hesitant to take their transmission fluid last for life, and 491 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 4: it does not. 492 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: It doesn't. And I'll I'll go one step further on you, Bob. 493 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: I think I think it's a lot of repair shops 494 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: in general. All right, we you know, we'll we'll tell 495 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: people right up front, you know how we are, and 496 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: we'll tell them, Look, it's got one hundred eighteen thousand 497 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: miles on it. Here's what answer taking it may fix 498 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: your problem, and chances are it will, but I don't 499 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: want to promise you a rose garden. Right, it's at least, 500 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, I always look at it as and I've 501 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: always looked at it as we're all big boys. We 502 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: all wear our pants and put them on one leg 503 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: at a time, so to speak, and we understand what 504 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: we're trying to do. And it fixed it. Toyota trans 505 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: fluid absolutely positively does wear out. All right. I've seen 506 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: it over time, multiple multiple vehicles, and yet, yeah, I 507 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 1: get it. You know what, some of these guys are 508 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: just indoctrinated and they just don't want to They just 509 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: don't want to look beyond the potential problem to see 510 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: a solution. So, as always, sir, I appreciate your comments 511 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: and concerns. Good to hear from you. You stay well 512 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: and safe. You're very welcome. I'm running Nanny and the 513 00:26:43,080 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: Guard Doctor. We're back right after this. Welcome back, Runnenny 514 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: and the Car Doctor here at eight five five five 515 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: six hundred. Keep in mind that phone number is twenty 516 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: four to seven. If you need me, just shoot us 517 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: a line. We'll get you into the next live broadcast. 518 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: And for the record, from what I understand, and they 519 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: keep trying to fix it, I'm not sure what's going on, 520 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: but the contact us button on theecardoctorshow dot com web 521 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: page is broken. It's been broken for three weeks. Every 522 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: time they fix it, it breaks again. So must be hackers. 523 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: So the uh, the commedis are getting us. But whatever, 524 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, we're h Yes, Tom, I think that nobody 525 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: wants to talk to you. Well, I know you want 526 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: to talk to me all the time because you're always there, 527 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: so I try not to. You know, actually I was 528 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: Actually I was gonna actually I was going to talk 529 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: to you today. But you know, should I get to 530 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: the phone or should I let everybody hear your PB 531 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: blaster story this week? Well, why why don't you get 532 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: to the phone and then we can tell TV Blaster. Okay, 533 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: then we'll tell p B Blaster. Let's see how long 534 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: this takes. So let's go over and talk to Sam 535 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: and Arizona. 536 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 6: Sam. 537 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to the car doctor, Sir, how can I help? 538 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 6: Thanks? Hey, I'm looking to purchase OBT two scanner. 539 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: Okay. 540 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 6: My first question is are there after market scanners that 541 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 6: will do everything that the Tech two GM TECH two 542 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 6: scanner will do? 543 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 1: No? See how easy that was? Well, the right answer 544 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: is yes, there are aftermarket scanners. You'd have to buy 545 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: an Opus, which you know, if you're a professional repair shop, 546 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: that's the tool to have, all right. In my opinion, 547 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: an Opus IVS scan tool does because what that tool 548 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: may not be able to do for form or functionality, 549 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: you can call up in the service will download factory 550 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: software onto the tool, and you're as good as the dealer. 551 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: At that point you can do everything Opus Opus iv S. 552 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: All right, that's that's the tool now, you know, it's 553 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: a monthly subscription. Okay, not a big deal if you're 554 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: a repair shop, if you're a do it yourself or 555 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: I think that's a different kind of an issue. 556 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 6: So I'm gonna do. 557 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: You do it yourself? So, you know, the question here 558 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: becomes how much of the car do you need to fix? 559 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: You know, and how much of the car would you 560 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: want to fix? What are you primarily working on? What's 561 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: in the family fleet? 562 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 6: GM cars, Lexus? 563 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,959 Speaker 1: How old but the older? 564 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 4: Yeah? 565 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: All right, so whe don't why don't we go out 566 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: to flee Bay and you know, pick up a used 567 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: scanner out there, maybe purchase something older. 568 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 2: You know. 569 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: The trick is if you buy an older for example, 570 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: an older snap on scan tool on on on eBay, 571 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: you want to get something old enough that it's not 572 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: too expensive, but new enough that it's got coverage, but 573 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: new enough that if they if it were to break, 574 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: you can still get it repaired. So there's that, there's 575 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: a there's a walk there. All right, what's your what's 576 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: your budget? What do you what do you what do 577 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: you think you're what do you think you're going to spend? 578 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what you really are going. 579 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 6: To spend anywhere from two hundred just seven. 580 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: Hundred, right, you're probably gonna spend fifteen hundred and two grand. Realistically. 581 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 6: Is Opus a snap On brand? 582 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: Nope? Opus. Opus is a private company unto themselves. I 583 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: believe it's opusivs dot com. But now understand, that's a 584 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars scan tool. That's why I said, what 585 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: do you what? You know? What do we that's a 586 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: professional grade scan tool for a professional shop. I don't. 587 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't see how a professional shop could survive without one. 588 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: I think they're making their life more difficult if they 589 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: don't have one. But that's just me, now that's what 590 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: you're Yeah, that's my listen. I have an Opus, I 591 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: have a snap On, I have a Launch. I still 592 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: have my OTC stuff. I still have my tech too, 593 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: I still have my Chrysler tools. I still have my 594 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: four you know, I really do have seventeen or eighteen 595 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,959 Speaker 1: different scan tools. And it's you know, the only thing 596 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: actually I take back that we did get rid of 597 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: We sold our ford IDs because we didn't need it, 598 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: because we have an Opus, and we're very comfortable with that. 599 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 6: All right, So I think I see Launch includes updates yeah, they. 600 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: Might, they might. Sure, absolutely, I would probably go look 601 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: at launch I would. You know, it'd be great if 602 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: and if I believe, don't quote me on this, that 603 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: AutoZone certain autozones do carry launch scanners. And you know 604 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: it's nice to go down there and turn one on 605 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: and push some buttons and you know, what's your what's 606 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: your what's your comfort level? I always I always akin 607 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: buying a scan tool to the first time I used 608 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: computer software. I'll never forget the first time I used Quicken, 609 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: you know, back well back, yeah, all right, first time 610 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: I turned on Quicken and I used it, it made 611 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: sense to me. I just clicked right through it and 612 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: all it was right there. And that's what I look 613 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: for in a scan tool. My absolutely favorite scan tool, 614 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: all right, is the cheapest one I own. It hangs 615 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: by the door. All it does is OBD two. It's 616 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: our quick tool, all right. It's when we want to 617 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: do a quickie in the parking lot and just scan 618 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: for codes. And it's an older tool made by when SPX, 619 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: when Sealed Power owned OTC, which is over twenty five 620 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: years ago. And you know, to show you the staying 621 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: power of OBD two, I'm using a twenty five year 622 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: old OBD two scan tool. It's never been updated on 623 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: a twenty twenty four model year car, and it works. 624 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: It will give me OBD two. It won't give me 625 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: anything else, all right. So OBD two is always a 626 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: good thing. It is basic common language. And then if 627 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: I want to get into your make model, that'll define 628 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: the rest of it. So you gotta go, you gotta go. 629 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: You gotta go play with some scan tools and see 630 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: what you like that's out there. I'm not a fan 631 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: of the phone scan tools. I think, you know, you're 632 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: depending on the processing speed of the phone and all 633 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: the other apps that are on the phone. I mean, 634 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: if you want to get codes or something, you're on vacation, 635 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: the check engine light pops on and you want to 636 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: get codes, and you know, maybe you look at something 637 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: real quick. But I don't think you're going to do 638 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: hardcore diagnosis on a consistent data day level using a 639 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: phone based scan tool. I don't see it working. 640 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 6: What's the limitation of launch? Will do everything tech two 641 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 6: does or no? 642 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: Well, when you say everything that Tech two does, tech 643 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: two does programming, all right. So when somebody says and 644 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: compares anything to a tech too. A TECH two does 645 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: actual physical programming body computers, engine computers, PCMs, et cetera. 646 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't buy a scan tool to do programming 647 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: for that. I'm going to use a JA twenty five 648 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: to thirty four box or I'm going to use an opus. 649 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: All right, different, different, different perspective, different way to look 650 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: at it. For what you're trying to do, I think 651 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: you need to go down, like I said, and play 652 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: with a couple of different scan tools. Yeah, maybe you're 653 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: in the nine hundred to twelve hundred dollars range, but 654 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: Launch would be a good place to start in a 655 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: good source to go look at. If you can't find 656 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: it at AutoZone, then take a look at the Launch 657 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: website and go from there. I'm running any in the car, doctor, 658 00:33:53,640 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this. Hey, Hey, we started 659 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: this hour talking about the life of a mechanic. Let 660 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: me close with the life of a mechanic. So you 661 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: never know what you're gonna get thrown at you. Let 662 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: me take you in the shop. Courtesy of AutoZone. We 663 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: had a nineteen fifty three MGTD scheduled for an oil 664 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: change this week. I think that's what it was. Something 665 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: like that. Well it sort of wasn't. It wasn't because 666 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: it turned out to be a Volkswagon undercarriage. They had 667 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: taken an MGTD body and put it on top of 668 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: a sixty seven Volkswagon and we had to do an 669 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 1: oil change on it. Imagine our surprise when the engines 670 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: in the back and we needed special oil. Who else 671 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: do we call AutoZone? When on the website found what 672 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: we wanted oil rated for a sixty seven Volkswagon. They 673 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: ran it up, delivered it, and we got it out 674 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: the door. So sometimes the life of a mechanic is 675 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: a life of surprise, and that's what gets you through 676 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: the day, just like AutoZone gets us through the day. 677 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm running andy in the car doctor, reminding you till 678 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: the next time. Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See 679 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: yash