Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rap An iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, we are scrubbing in scrub a dub dub today.
Speaker 3: Today's guest is very, very special.
Speaker 2: You could call our friend of the show. She's a
Speaker 2: best friend. She's a show, a best friend of the show.
Speaker 2: She's a best friend of life.
Speaker 3: Yes, in life.
Speaker 2: Yes, she's a businesswoman, she's an entrepreneur, she's a boss.
Speaker 3: She's just a modern woman.
Speaker 1: If you will, a modern woman, if you will.
Speaker 3: And I can't believe this is the first time she's
Speaker 3: on Scrubbing In, but.
Speaker 1: And hopefully the first of many. We want to have
Speaker 1: more of our friends come on, so please, that's right.
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Speaker 1: and if you don't, don't let us know.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but without further ado, we are so happy
Speaker 2: to welcome Allie, Allie grand Welcome to Scrubbing Income.
Speaker 3: So honored to be here.
Speaker 4: Like this is crazy, A long time coming, seven years basically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say six, but I guess it's
Speaker 2: we're approaching seven.
Speaker 1: Approaching seven. Wow, almost a decade.
Speaker 3: A decade of scrubbing in.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: It just felt like this was the right time to
Speaker 2: have you though, because y'all are both in a wedding
Speaker 2: planning season. Yes, your friends. Now, there was a time
Speaker 2: where y'all were like just an of me acquaintances.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like we were your best friends, but we didn't
Speaker 4: have our own relationship correct, And now we.
Speaker 1: Do, Yes, now we do. We had a big turning moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't really remember what I remember that conversation,
Speaker 4: of course, was what happened?
Speaker 3: What did I say?
Speaker 1: You don't remember that?
Speaker 3: I really don't. My memory is like I have a
Speaker 3: worst memory. When did it happen?
Speaker 1: I want to say it was one of JoJo's Cupshi launches.
Speaker 3: It was at that restaurant. It was the first one, Yeah,
Speaker 3: the first one ever.
Speaker 1: And it's true you were you were beck as best friend,
Speaker 1: I was beck as best friends, but we were not intertwined.
Speaker 1: And we had this like breakthrough conversation. I believe we
Speaker 1: both had like a drink in us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, drink or too, I'm sure, and it.
Speaker 1: Was like we just had this breakthrough moment of we
Speaker 1: didn't really get along because you had told me and
Speaker 1: I said, I said, I felt like you were all
Speaker 1: business like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I remember that.
Speaker 1: I was like, I felt like all you cared about
Speaker 1: was business. You had no interest in like being my.
Speaker 3: Friend, zero about business.
Speaker 1: It's all a fac but it's but you even admitted
Speaker 1: you were like I think I was so just like
Speaker 1: tunnel vision for so long, and like you were like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what has happened to me, but you
Speaker 1: were saying you have this like honest say come to
Speaker 1: Jesus moment, but like you have like some sort of
Speaker 1: life epiphany, and like we just totally like put it
Speaker 1: all out there. And then from that moment on, we
Speaker 1: like sparked our own friendship.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then I walked up to the conversation and one
Speaker 2: of the I think Tony was like, we're friends now,
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, we're y'all y'all weren't friends
Speaker 2: and she was like, well, like we're we're like friends,
Speaker 2: like we're gonna actually so that was exciting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was blossomed since then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I like text you without her on it?
Speaker 2: Yeah we ever, Actually y'all do that I have to
Speaker 2: ask you to text each other without me on it
Speaker 2: because you'll text.
Speaker 3: Y'all say, like for like a long time.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, hey, can y'all move this out to
Speaker 2: your personal one on one.
Speaker 1: Chat and bye?
Speaker 3: It's really a.
Speaker 4: Full circle we've come, Yeah, and I love it for us.
Speaker 4: You're right, Becca, like we are both at were brides
Speaker 4: to be. Yeah, so we're in like the same era.
Speaker 4: Like like if.
Speaker 1: You would have asked me when I first met you,
Speaker 1: if you guys were already best friends, if you were
Speaker 1: to say that I was going to come to your
Speaker 1: bachelor party, I would have thought, hell no, not in hell.
Speaker 3: Not Hell is very different than hell no.
Speaker 1: But why not hell?
Speaker 3: Why? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because we just weren't friends. Yeah, you know you were
Speaker 1: saying we would become that close. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: It's always interesting. I think I saw like a meme
Speaker 4: about this. It's like you have this like special respect
Speaker 4: for like your best friend's best friend, right, And it's
Speaker 4: like I felt like I had that for you, but
Speaker 4: we like just didn't ever like intertwine, right, And I
Speaker 4: agree with you. You probably would have never thought that
Speaker 4: right at all. But I think actually beca you made
Speaker 4: sort of like a move, if you will. You invited
Speaker 4: me to her thirty fifth, thirty sixth birthday party.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: Or I just it was just last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like to Robbie, did Robbie invite me? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I was there Sonny's birthday. No, no, my birthday.
Speaker 1: It was like my only closest friends. It was last year,
Speaker 1: last July. Oh my god, Oh my god talking.
Speaker 3: Why were we really?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And I felt like that also felt like hey,
Speaker 4: I'm here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I have arrived. I have arrived.
Speaker 1: That was like my closest closest like that was but
Speaker 1: I'm saying that was like that was it. That was
Speaker 1: like just my closest closest friends and I have like
Speaker 1: a birthday party was literally just like dinner. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The people, the people do want to know. You know,
Speaker 2: Tany is very vocal about her I want to say
Speaker 2: jealousy being territorial over jealousy, and Chelsea's accurate, and people
Speaker 2: want to know if you feel the same way about
Speaker 2: my friendship with other people?
Speaker 4: No, okay, So no, I'm a very I'm so like independent,
Speaker 4: Like I'm the type of person that could just like
Speaker 4: sit in my room all day and like not talk
Speaker 4: to anyone, like similar to you, Becca, Like I'm shocked
Speaker 4: we talk every day because like I feel like both
Speaker 4: of us could like never talk to each other, but
Speaker 4: somehow we do.
Speaker 3: But no, I don't have that. I just don't. I
Speaker 3: don't know. I've had it with like.
Speaker 4: Boyfriends in the past and things like that, but it's
Speaker 4: like the same, but not in female friendships.
Speaker 1: Interesting, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like I get what I need from Becca
Speaker 4: as a friend, and like I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh you never Okay, that's interesting because I do have
Speaker 1: a thing with it, like I always need more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you need more from everybody.
Speaker 3: That's not just me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's not just like as just being a
Speaker 2: contentment thing.
Speaker 1: It's not about me in therapy, about Ali grand So
Speaker 1: since we're in the friendship conversation, a lot of people
Speaker 1: want to know how you and I met.
Speaker 3: People don't know our origin story.
Speaker 2: So should we just tell them the truth about why
Speaker 2: we look alike and how we know each other so well.
Speaker 3: Our DNA tests. Yay, we're sisters, actual sisters. We're very
Speaker 3: distant cousins.
Speaker 1: I don't believe it at all.
Speaker 2: She has family from Louisiana, yeah, and I'm from Louisiana,
Speaker 2: and we discovered that.
Speaker 1: We have First of all, you met in San Diego, right, Okay.
Speaker 3: Also, she don't meet to tell a story. Yeah, your
Speaker 3: your perspective, your perspective. Okay.
Speaker 4: So this was like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen een.
Speaker 3: Ye, you're like twenty seven years old, twenty six, twenty six.
Speaker 3: I was twenty six. She tries to claim she's like
Speaker 3: like a year younger than. You're ten months younger than. Anyways,
Speaker 3: when we met, I was twenty six and you were
Speaker 3: twenty seven.
Speaker 4: I think we're bout twenty six. Anyways, So we were
Speaker 4: in San Diego. You were coming off The Bachelor. I
Speaker 4: had just come off Ben season of the Bachelor, Ben
Speaker 4: season of the Bachelor, and you were starting to do partnerships,
Speaker 4: sugar bear hair like all of those things. I had
Speaker 4: my business be social where I was like wrapping influencers
Speaker 4: and like helping them monetize.
Speaker 1: Well, so you had that before. For some reason, I
Speaker 1: thought you started it with an You think.
Speaker 3: Bank I was an owner.
Speaker 1: She does say, no, not the owner, but that you
Speaker 1: like started the business like she was your launching pad.
Speaker 4: No, had clients. It's already a business for okay a year.
Speaker 1: Or two Okay, Yeah, I don't have the curve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was I was like twenty four when I
Speaker 3: started it.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: That's another we got to get into the business. But
Speaker 4: Becca was a huge launching pad for me. I feel
Speaker 4: like getting into The Bachelor Nation was like huge for
Speaker 4: the like influencer business. But we had a mutual friend
Speaker 4: named Cole who's a photographer and what she like you
Speaker 4: met her with through church or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I was in San Diego. We had I
Speaker 2: don't even think we met. We knew mutual people and
Speaker 2: maybe we had met once, but she had just started photography, right,
Speaker 2: and wanted to shoot me.
Speaker 3: And then she was like, what are you wanting to
Speaker 3: do with your life?
Speaker 5: Your life other than have a friend you should meet?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I think she texted me, do you
Speaker 4: want to meet this girl? Knew nothing about like The Bachelor,
Speaker 4: Like I'm not like, I don't really watch it show.
Speaker 4: I didn't really. The only reason I did know her name, though,
Speaker 4: is because I lived in San Diego at the time
Speaker 4: and you lived in San Diego at the time, and
Speaker 4: when you were on the shows like I'm from San Diego,
Speaker 4: right or something. Yeah, I would like walk into stores
Speaker 4: and people would be like, oh my gosh, are you Becka?
Speaker 3: From the Bachelor, like they thought you looked like her. Yes,
Speaker 3: like literally thought I was her.
Speaker 4: I got text messages from like so many friends from
Speaker 4: college that were like, is she your cousin?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 4: Who is that your sister? Like I was like, I
Speaker 4: have no idea what you're talking about. So I did
Speaker 4: like know of her because of that, But yeah, it
Speaker 4: was like down to meet her. I think at the time,
Speaker 4: you had like three hundred thousand followers or something like that,
Speaker 4: which is crazy, Like you got you had what how many.
Speaker 3: Before zero twelve? Yeah, when you're a normal person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you had like a thousand, and then you
Speaker 4: have three hundred thousand, Like that's so ry overnight, literally
Speaker 4: and you had no idea what to do with it.
Speaker 3: I'm sure. Well, no, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: There was no what I do now you do wasn't
Speaker 2: really a big thing, especially in the reality TV world.
Speaker 2: So nowadays I feel like people are chomping at the
Speaker 2: bit managers and agencies to talk to the girls from
Speaker 2: the Bachelor.
Speaker 3: But when I was on there, no, there was nothing
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah a trail blazer you were.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think, I mean, I guess I
Speaker 4: owe this all to Coal, which is like, I need
Speaker 4: to tell her that more often. Thank you, Cole. And
Speaker 4: what we met like in Orange County for some reason,
Speaker 4: I don't remember why.
Speaker 2: Y'all were down there, and you're you repped Kitlin Carter.
Speaker 2: You still rep Kaitlin Carter. Yeah, and Kelsey White and
Speaker 2: they were shooting with Coal and we all went to
Speaker 2: dinner together.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we had like a first meeting. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: we talked about what you wanted to do, and I
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, I can do that. What'd you think
Speaker 4: of me initially just a business woman?
Speaker 5: No, No, that's me.
Speaker 2: No, I had so when I talked to I started thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe I should meet with some man or maybe it
Speaker 2: was Amy who told me I should meet with some
Speaker 2: people in the industry and just figure out what I
Speaker 2: want to do. So I met with a few different
Speaker 2: management companies and I just it felt very serious and
Speaker 2: like corporate, and I thought, Okay, I've never done this,
Speaker 2: Maybe this is what it's supposed to feel like. But
Speaker 2: then when I met you, I felt different, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I think yeah, I felt like a friendship.
Speaker 7: It did.
Speaker 4: It felt like like instantly, like we're like giggling and
Speaker 4: laughing and like had the same humor, and yeah.
Speaker 3: It felt very easy.
Speaker 2: But I also felt very confident in in you and
Speaker 2: what you did, and so I signed and never rest's history.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's very rare, I think for someone to
Speaker 2: stay with a company.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been literally working together for ten years. Yeah
Speaker 4: well not ten wait how long?
Speaker 2: Well that.
Speaker 3: She's so got years nine.
Speaker 2: Years and I I I think that you know, it's
Speaker 2: interesting because I work with you and I work with you,
Speaker 2: and it's it's normally they say, like, don't work with
Speaker 2: your best friends, but I think because we're best friends,
Speaker 2: it's made the work so much more enjoyable and fun.
Speaker 4: We've had like amazing times together working and playing. Basically
Speaker 4: that's so interesting actually that both of you work with
Speaker 4: both of your best friends, Like you're in business with
Speaker 4: both of your best friends.
Speaker 1: I think that the thing is I think you're the
Speaker 1: through line though. That makes it like good because I
Speaker 1: think you are you know what I mean Like that,
Speaker 1: I think if you had two people that were like
Speaker 1: if you and I tried to work together, it would
Speaker 1: probably be like hell, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like two very intense people, but like Beck is more
Speaker 1: chill and like laid back, and I think it just
Speaker 1: like works.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is so true, you are like, but she
Speaker 4: also can be fiery, like we both know, like the
Speaker 4: fiery side of yeah, like the stinger.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I think it's like you know what you deserve
Speaker 4: and like how you should be valued and like all
Speaker 4: those things, and you stand out for yourself definitely, Like
Speaker 4: it's not all just like fun all the time, right,
Speaker 4: Like I feel like you fight for yourself and business situations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2: Feel like I do feel like because you're I don't
Speaker 2: know if people realize this. Ali's my manager, so she
Speaker 2: handles all of my brand deals. She handles anything that
Speaker 2: I am getting compensated for. If I get an opportunity,
Speaker 2: it's through Ali and her company, which is now the
Speaker 2: Digital Department. And it can be very tedious of like,
Speaker 2: you know, because as my manager, you make a commission
Speaker 2: on what I say yes to. So if there's something
Speaker 2: that comes in and I'm like, no, I don't want
Speaker 2: to do it, yeah, it's you know that balance of.
Speaker 4: It's money off my plate right right right right, which
Speaker 4: it is, and I feel like I'm good about that though,
Speaker 4: like I let you say no and I'm not weird
Speaker 4: about it, and I feel like that's been your success.
Speaker 4: It's like you say yes to the right things and
Speaker 4: look at you now, Well.
Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say.
Speaker 2: I think the biggest piece of advice you gave me
Speaker 2: was we're not going to say yes to things that
Speaker 2: you don't want to do or don't feel good about doing.
Speaker 2: And I think had I not signed with you and
Speaker 2: just had Veronica running, do people know I've talked about Veronica,
Speaker 2: but not everyone knows who Veronica is?
Speaker 3: Explain it.
Speaker 2: When I first got off the first season of the Bachelor,
Speaker 2: when I was on Christ the season, my friend told
Speaker 2: me that I should have an assistant email that brands.
Speaker 1: I don't know her name, her name was, said that
Speaker 1: it was my friend Crystal.
Speaker 2: Crystal okay, yeah yeah, And she had a friend who
Speaker 2: was a blogger at the time, and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: she just uses this email to work with brands and
Speaker 2: you can negotiate for yourself and that way they don't
Speaker 2: feel it's not directly you. You can hide behind kind
Speaker 2: of like the email of negotiating. So my assistant same
Speaker 2: was Veronica.
Speaker 3: Carter me. I love Bald myself so much.
Speaker 4: How much did you get paid for your first deal
Speaker 4: when Veronica represented you.
Speaker 3: Well, I couldn't believe.
Speaker 2: You have to understand, I came off The Bachelor, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I was getting sent free stuff
Speaker 2: and all I had to do was post a photo
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: Like my brain was like, what is that? Overdrive?
Speaker 2: So I'm getting free clothes and all they want in
Speaker 2: return is a photo. So then when I started getting
Speaker 2: the free stuff and getting paid for it, I couldn't
Speaker 2: even believe it. So I was like, I was just
Speaker 2: trying to make enough that I could pay my rent
Speaker 2: and have extra money. So I was like in the
Speaker 2: like one thousand range, and that was.
Speaker 3: Kind of.
Speaker 2: Definitely I could have been making more, but I wasn't,
Speaker 2: you know, sure.
Speaker 3: And so you would like sign the email like that.
Speaker 1: Told me this trick when I wanted to start doing
Speaker 1: brand deal. She was like, just make a fake email
Speaker 1: account and be your own assistant. And I was like,
Speaker 1: did you do it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it.
Speaker 5: Okay, I wasn't very I wasn't very good negotiation.
Speaker 2: And so then when Ali came in and I was
Speaker 2: with be Social at the time, which was be Social,
Speaker 2: and I saw what Ali was negotiating for my rates.
Speaker 3: I was flabber astid. Yeah, and also like dang.
Speaker 2: I really missed a lot of opportunity to make money here.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's been such a fun journey. But
Speaker 2: I want to talk about you starting this company because
Speaker 2: you were fresh out of college.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had like I had a job before. I
Speaker 4: worked as a social media agency for like a year
Speaker 4: or so, but yeah, that was like my only working experience.
Speaker 4: Just crazy.
Speaker 1: And how did you have the vision to create your
Speaker 1: own company at that age?
Speaker 4: I don't know, like honestly, like watching Samantha Jones and
Speaker 4: Sex and the City and like that, I don't know.
Speaker 1: How did you do it?
Speaker 6: Did you?
Speaker 1: Like Google? Like how do I start a company? Like
Speaker 1: how how did you do the infrastructure? Like you you
Speaker 1: get an LLC and then you start, you get employees
Speaker 1: and you start paying them, Like how do you know
Speaker 1: how to do all this?
Speaker 3: I did? Really?
Speaker 4: And like that's my biggest piece of advice is like
Speaker 4: try and attach yourself to people who do get it,
Speaker 4: or get like a mentor if you can in this space.
Speaker 4: And I really didn't have that. My uncle is a
Speaker 4: CPA's an accountant, so he really like guided me in
Speaker 4: the beginning of like how to set up the LLC.
Speaker 4: My dad's friend was a lawyer. He helped me with that,
Speaker 4: so it's kind of like family connections to get it
Speaker 4: off the ground. I didn't know what I was doing, Like,
Speaker 4: it was just like absolute chaos. It was just like
Speaker 4: and I was growing while trying to build it, so
Speaker 4: it was just like it was insanity. But yeah, like googling,
Speaker 4: I think I got like literally one of those like
Speaker 4: for dummies books.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, now there's so much resource about this,
Speaker 4: Like there's like girl Boss, there's creat and Cultivate, like
Speaker 4: there's all these things that you can get information on.
Speaker 4: Like honestly, back then nine ten years ago, there was
Speaker 4: not a lot. And I feel like when I told people, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm going to quit my job and start a business,
Speaker 4: people were like, you're insane, Like why.
Speaker 1: It was also like when you do that, you don't
Speaker 1: have health insurance, Like you don't have any of that stuff, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, correct, yeah, yeah, it was like it was a
Speaker 4: huge risk.
Speaker 1: But then how do you get that for your employees
Speaker 1: health insurance?
Speaker 4: So I mean the first few years of the company,
Speaker 4: like I wasn't able to provide health that's a huge
Speaker 4: cost to a company to provide health insurance. But then
Speaker 4: at a certain point when we were able to there's
Speaker 4: just companies that like you can sign up for health
Speaker 4: insurance and that it provides. So basically the company, like
Speaker 4: I would pay half of the premium monthly for my staff.
Speaker 3: So that's how I set that up.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's like it what well, No, it's just
Speaker 4: kind of how many how many employees did you start with?
Speaker 4: So it was just me at first song though like
Speaker 4: not that long, and then I would get like paid
Speaker 4: interns or interns for school credit, and then I would
Speaker 4: hire them as an assistant and like it just kind
Speaker 4: of like snowballed from there. But like I had no
Speaker 4: management experience, Like I'm trying to like manage people, grow them,
Speaker 4: like power them.
Speaker 3: No clue right what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: And creating like an email like pitch email, like all
Speaker 1: these things, Like I know this sounds very simple, but
Speaker 1: like it's actually really hard. Like when you told me
Speaker 1: to get the email account to be my own assistant,
Speaker 1: I would draft an email and be like nobody would
Speaker 1: believe that this is an actual businesswoman.
Speaker 4: See I like that stuff, Like I love writing and
Speaker 4: all the creative side like that was easy for me,
Speaker 4: but like the business back end literally my nightmare, like
Speaker 4: to this day, like that, just like Becca knows, like
Speaker 4: it's just like any of that stuff, like it really
Speaker 4: stresses me out. So having like a good operator in
Speaker 4: your business is key. And that's Kirsten for me, who
Speaker 4: now has become like one of my best friends and
Speaker 4: she's just been with me since literally day one almost
Speaker 4: and she is like the operator. She's the numbers person,
Speaker 4: she's like manages all that stuff where it allows me
Speaker 4: to be like in the business and growth and creative
Speaker 4: and all the things that I like do. Actually, like
Speaker 4: who who was your first client? Like, so well, we
Speaker 4: started with brands, So we started working with brands. Oh
Speaker 4: my god, it was like a Pilates company, I want
Speaker 4: to say, like not peer bar, but it was an
Speaker 4: extend bar.
Speaker 3: Do you guys even know what that is?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: Extend bar, extend bar.
Speaker 4: It was like a bar studio, like a peer bar,
Speaker 4: and they were basically franchising them out and opening like
Speaker 4: a million studios. And they came to me and they're like,
Speaker 4: we really want to work with mommy bloggers. Can you
Speaker 4: get us, Like mommy bloggers to come in and take
Speaker 4: the class and do blog posts and like Facebook posts,
Speaker 4: which is so funny now. So that was one of
Speaker 4: the first like brands I worked on solo at my
Speaker 4: own company.
Speaker 3: I don't think you know this, but.
Speaker 4: Initially be Social was called Haley PR.
Speaker 3: Dead. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like one of my friends from back in the day
Speaker 4: still will be like, how's Haley PR And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: like these shrills f Haley PR. Before it changes like
Speaker 4: a couple months, I was just like freelancing essentially, so yeah,
Speaker 4: and I like made my own logo. I think it
Speaker 4: had like a daisy in it or something like that,
Speaker 4: like it was. It wasn't good, but yeah, and then
Speaker 4: it switched to be Social and I was like, I
Speaker 4: need a name that like feels like it can grow,
Speaker 4: it can build, and it's not attached to me, like
Speaker 4: it's bigger than me. And I actually thought at the time,
Speaker 4: like this industry is gonna blow up, Like I was
Speaker 4: watching these mommy bloggers come into this like Bar Studio
Speaker 4: post a blog post and the next day the bar
Speaker 4: studios like, oh my god, we have all these people
Speaker 4: who want to like sign up and be members. And
Speaker 4: I was like this is something that's so huge, Like
Speaker 4: this is bigger than like traditional media.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like it's still like that now?
Speaker 4: It is very very like there's just so many people
Speaker 4: doing it now, so it's a little bit different. But yes,
Speaker 4: like the power of an influencer is like insane, like always, do.
Speaker 2: You see is there a world where it's not that
Speaker 2: influencing in this world doesn't exist?
Speaker 3: Or do you think it's only going to keep growing?
Speaker 4: No, it's only going to like keep evolving, Like if
Speaker 4: you think about it like ten years ago when you
Speaker 4: first start and today, like, yes, it's different, but it's
Speaker 4: not that different, right, like over ten years, like it's evolved,
Speaker 4: but not that much. Like we have new platforms like
Speaker 4: TikTok which we didn't know about.
Speaker 3: I think it's just going to.
Speaker 4: Like new platforms will pop up, new creators will become
Speaker 4: like most relevant, Like it's just going to keep just
Speaker 4: like changing. And obviously you get like younger demographics starting
Speaker 4: to like dive into it. So now brands are like
Speaker 4: gen Z like what does that look like? So no,
Speaker 4: I mean for us in our careers, hopefully it never
Speaker 4: goes away.
Speaker 3: But I actually truthfully think like it's going to be
Speaker 3: a long standing like industry.
Speaker 1: Like I honestly think, at least for me personally as
Speaker 1: a consumer, I purchase stuff off of Instagram more than
Speaker 1: I do just on like a commercializing on TV or
Speaker 1: anything else. I am buying more products off of people
Speaker 1: linking stuff on Instagram than anywhere else.
Speaker 2: Well, think about it's where you're spending all your time
Speaker 2: is scrolling Instagram. You're not spending your time at the
Speaker 2: mall shopping, you know, correct, You're on Instagram. So it's
Speaker 2: just taking advantage of where people are spending their time,
Speaker 2: which I want to talk about where people like where
Speaker 2: you see brands spending money and what platforms you see
Speaker 2: them spending money on.
Speaker 3: But first we're gonna.
Speaker 6: Take a break.
Speaker 3: All right, we are back.
Speaker 2: So in twenty twenty, I believe it was twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: you texted me that you were going to sell be Social. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: can you talk about that because I think thinking about
Speaker 2: starting a company Haley pr to be Social. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: regret like saying that, but like growing this baby that you.
Speaker 1: Are just like so not it. It's very saying that
Speaker 1: you almost named it.
Speaker 3: That Hailey Kyoko could have been my future partner.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's some foreshadowing the just Ret Haley's Yeah, and
Speaker 7: what was this same say, So you texted me and
Speaker 7: you you had been considering it, and there was a
Speaker 7: moment where you were like, I'm going to make this decision.
Speaker 3: I'm selling the company. Can you talk about that?
Speaker 2: Because I can't imagine growing something and that being my
Speaker 2: baby and then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, handing it to someone else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I sold the company like August
Speaker 4: twenty twenty, I want to say, which obviously was a
Speaker 4: very crazy time for all of us personally professionally whole deal.
Speaker 4: I was like pretty exhausted at that point in time,
Speaker 4: kind of going through a big part of our business
Speaker 4: at that time was like doing events, like in person
Speaker 4: activities that completely shuddered. I was, you know, self funded.
Speaker 4: I had a very big payroll, I had all the
Speaker 4: things that I think about. I had rent, I had
Speaker 4: just gotten a brand new office downtown LA. It was
Speaker 4: a lot like it was like, oh my, how am
Speaker 4: I gonna like make it through this? And the previous
Speaker 4: year was a huge year for influencer marketing, so very
Speaker 4: successful year, so kind of going into twenty twenty this
Speaker 4: way was it was frustrating. I had been talking to
Speaker 4: different companies about selling be Social at the time in
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, a lot of them at the time. Once
Speaker 4: COVID hit, They're like, we can't, like we just don't
Speaker 4: have the money right now. A few of the conversations
Speaker 4: kept going. One in particular, the one I was actually
Speaker 4: most excited about from day one was still willing to invest,
Speaker 4: which I felt like said a lot about that CEO
Speaker 4: and that company ended up making that decision to sell,
Speaker 4: which was like, very it's hard to explain, like it
Speaker 4: is so much your baby, Like I feel like my
Speaker 4: identity is so tied up in this business, which is
Speaker 4: probably why Tanya thought I was just all business, because
Speaker 4: I really was like this was my identity. Like I
Speaker 4: put so many things aside, like my boyfriend at the time,
Speaker 4: my personal relationship, like you know, I like even just
Speaker 4: like my health and stuff, Like I just really focused
Speaker 4: on growing the business, like that was my obsession. So
Speaker 4: this was a huge decision, but at the moment felt
Speaker 4: really like the right one, and now looking back, it
Speaker 4: totally was like it really it helped me take the
Speaker 4: back end the operations of things I don't enjoy and
Speaker 4: pass that off to a parent company that's been around
Speaker 4: longer that can help me grow and allowed me to
Speaker 4: focus on what I love doing, the talent management, the creative,
Speaker 4: the growing the business.
Speaker 3: So it's been good. It's been like a.
Speaker 4: Roller coaster for me too though, like you let go
Speaker 4: of so many things, but I was able to keep
Speaker 4: my autonomy so like I still run this company day
Speaker 4: to day, like I still am part of it. I'm
Speaker 4: the CEO while now I'm the co CEO, which I
Speaker 4: can get into later, but that allowed me to really
Speaker 4: feel like I was still driving the bus and that
Speaker 4: was like the most important piece to me.
Speaker 1: So isn't that what some like most companies they start
Speaker 1: and they because they want to sell to like a
Speaker 1: big company that is, yeah, can I ask you, and
Speaker 1: you don't have to share numbers if you don't want to.
Speaker 1: But when you sell your company, like you sell it
Speaker 1: for a large sum of money, right yeah, so they
Speaker 1: do you get like the payout then and there or
Speaker 1: then you still get on salary or like what yeah,
Speaker 1: were you feeling like financially like a little bit of.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, no, yes, yes, because it was a very
Speaker 4: very very stressful time for me, Like that moment in time. Yes,
Speaker 4: there was a little a huge sense of relief, like
Speaker 4: having a parent company back your payroll, your health insurance,
Speaker 4: like all the things that like kept me up at
Speaker 4: night in certain moments of time.
Speaker 3: Like that was like just like oh my god, I
Speaker 3: can breathe.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, like when selling your company, there's multiple ways
Speaker 4: you can set it up.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Typically it's based off of like an ebita, which is
Speaker 4: like an essentially like how your company is valued, and
Speaker 4: so they take that number and based on the industry
Speaker 4: like multiply that to give you like a figure of
Speaker 4: like here's what I'm willing to pay you to have
Speaker 4: like the rights ownership of your company. So I have
Speaker 4: like zero ownership in the company anymore.
Speaker 1: So like let's say they in five ten years sell
Speaker 1: it to an even bigger company. Yes, you could get
Speaker 1: screwed in that if.
Speaker 4: They sold it, Like, yeah, I wouldn't benefit because I
Speaker 4: don't have any ownership.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So you typically get like a flat fee up front.
Speaker 4: They can like also do you know like a bonus
Speaker 4: for hitting certain milestones and then yeah, now I'm an
Speaker 4: employee of the company, so I'm paid a salary, like
Speaker 4: I'm w twoed just like a normal employee.
Speaker 1: Wow, that does feel like a relief.
Speaker 4: It does like in ways like I can't even explain,
Speaker 4: Like it's like the pressure I feel like is taken
Speaker 4: off in a way that's just like feels good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then last year you merged with was all last year?
Speaker 2: Just last year or two years?
Speaker 3: September twenty three, I.
Speaker 5: Share you merged with Socialite?
Speaker 3: Yes? Or they joined in on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So our parent company bought social Lite and then
Speaker 4: they do what we do, like they represent like Lauren
Speaker 4: Lane and like tens of people in the back and
Speaker 4: like all over the board. And so they were purchased
Speaker 4: by our parent company, and then we decided to merge
Speaker 4: because otherwise we were sort of like competing with each other.
Speaker 4: And so now we merged and we're sixty five people
Speaker 4: at the digital department and rebranded because we didn't want
Speaker 4: to keep our names.
Speaker 3: How many people total? Just I guess client wise, do
Speaker 3: y'all represent? It's like two o five or something like that,
Speaker 3: two hundred and five.
Speaker 2: And has it been a good merger, Like, has it
Speaker 2: been something that you've enjoyed or is there a part.
Speaker 3: Of you that did it?
Speaker 2: Did it feel like a lot to take that because
Speaker 2: you took on their clients essentially.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, their clients, their staff, we all came together
Speaker 4: to become one, which like I feel like there's power numbers, right,
Speaker 4: Like we're one of the bigger talent management companies for
Speaker 4: influencers in the space now, so it helps us like
Speaker 4: in the marketplace. And yes, like actually having what we
Speaker 4: I'm a co CEO, which is funny because you don't
Speaker 4: normally hear that. But Sarah Boyd is the other CEO.
Speaker 4: I feel like you guys know her, right, yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I met her at your party.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: She's been in this space again for like probably fifteen
Speaker 4: years now. So having like that support with her, I
Speaker 4: love like bouncing off ideas and just like having someone
Speaker 4: to just like call and chat like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: how do we get through this hurdle or what do
Speaker 4: we do? Like it's they say, it's sort of like
Speaker 4: at the top of running a business is like a
Speaker 4: bit lonely, like you kind of don't like who do
Speaker 4: you bounce ideas off of, Like who's your work wife?
Speaker 3: Like who?
Speaker 4: And she's really become that for me, which has been
Speaker 4: been really nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah do you Oh my gosh, I totally just like
Speaker 1: lost my question. It just like left my brain. No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't want to lose it because I would oh
Speaker 1: oh for people that are let's say somebody's listening and
Speaker 1: they have like a thousand followers, but they really want
Speaker 1: to become like an influencer. What are things that somebody
Speaker 1: can do to kind of create that space for them?
Speaker 1: And like where do you see that going in the future.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably like the number one DM I get
Speaker 4: on my Instagram.
Speaker 3: How do I do this?
Speaker 4: Like I want to do this because it is so
Speaker 4: so like flashy and exciting, and you see all the
Speaker 4: brands that are like working in the space. I strongly
Speaker 4: believe like anyone can be a content creator, right, and
Speaker 4: things like TikTok have allowed anyone to go like viral
Speaker 4: overnight and start building a following.
Speaker 3: So it's not too late.
Speaker 4: I always say that, like you can literally start tomorrow
Speaker 4: and be a content creator like and start making money
Speaker 4: within three to six months. Like I really strongly believe that.
Speaker 4: But I think the first thing you got to do
Speaker 4: is like figure out what's your like mission, Like what's
Speaker 4: the value you bring as a content creator? Because there's
Speaker 4: so many people doing it so how do you stand out,
Speaker 4: Like what is your point of view? Like what type
Speaker 4: of content are you're creating that provides value and can
Speaker 4: build a community, And so figure that out and then
Speaker 4: you just got to show up. You just got to
Speaker 4: like start creating content literally every single day, like post
Speaker 4: the TikTok every single day. You also have to like
Speaker 4: stop caring what people think. I actually did a poll
Speaker 4: on my Instagram that was like what's stopping you from
Speaker 4: being a content creator? And like so many people were
Speaker 4: like it's because it's cringey or I'm afraid of what
Speaker 4: people are going to think of me, And you literally
Speaker 4: cannot care about that, Like, you just gotta go and
Speaker 4: you gotta post if this is something you want to do.
Speaker 3: Who cares what?
Speaker 4: Like your cousin in Missouri thinks like you just can't
Speaker 4: write like at the end of the day, like they're
Speaker 4: gonna be like hopefully clapping for you when you're successful
Speaker 4: and or jealous.
Speaker 3: So it's like.
Speaker 1: Because niche, there's like niche people now too are like
Speaker 1: what are they called micro influenced micros have a smaller number,
Speaker 1: You'll still be making just so much money with like
Speaker 1: ten thousand followers, has ten million because you're like so
Speaker 1: niche in that whatever that demographic is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're able to sell products.
Speaker 4: And yeah, brands love micro creators because it's just like
Speaker 4: they're cheaper like at the end of the day and
Speaker 4: always have this like strong community because you have this
Speaker 4: like one on one dialogue that like a macro creator
Speaker 4: like Becca like just can't have with her audience all
Speaker 4: the time, right, just different.
Speaker 2: I do feel like that has just recently changed with
Speaker 2: a micro creator has like a new sense of power.
Speaker 3: And I was curious, from like.
Speaker 2: A brand an agency standpoint, what is the number of
Speaker 2: followers or what is it about someone that because you know,
Speaker 2: you can say like, oh, anyone can be a content creator,
Speaker 2: but as an an agency, what are you looking for
Speaker 2: to represent someone?
Speaker 5: And what are the numbers or like what's this?
Speaker 2: What is it about someone that you're going like, I'm
Speaker 2: going to take a chance on them and I want
Speaker 2: to represent them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think just like from like a bird's eye view,
Speaker 4: like fifty thousand followers is usually where you can like
Speaker 4: start monetizing, like in a real way that it makes
Speaker 4: sense to have a manager and give up a percentage. However,
Speaker 4: one of my clients Raymie.
Speaker 3: You know Rami.
Speaker 4: I started rapping her when she had fifteen or ten
Speaker 4: thousand followers. She's gotten near a million now, Like this
Speaker 4: has been over ten years.
Speaker 3: That she's built this. She makes so much money and
Speaker 3: I was able to build with her. And I think
Speaker 3: what excited me about her is that she had a vision.
Speaker 3: Like she's like, this is what I want to build.
Speaker 3: This is why it's different, and this is why a
Speaker 3: manager can help me build those things. And she's like
Speaker 3: such a hard worker too. She shows up, she creates content.
Speaker 3: She's just like so powered. What's the vision?
Speaker 1: You don't have to share hers, but like what is
Speaker 1: an example of like having a vision?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I mean I think like yours is maybe
Speaker 4: like you want to create a community for modern women
Speaker 4: who feel confident in whatever it might be, Like that
Speaker 4: is your vision as a content creator, and then like
Speaker 4: you might have ideas that help like bring that forward.
Speaker 4: So having this podcast or writing a book or whatever
Speaker 4: it might be, like having those ideas and that vision
Speaker 4: that kind of like pair together.
Speaker 1: That's sort of like align with that not necessarily.
Speaker 4: I think that's where I come in, Like it's like, hey,
Speaker 4: look like I want to you know, launch this podcast
Speaker 4: or I want to do this, and then I can
Speaker 4: come in and be like here's brands. I feel like
Speaker 4: I could go and sell and pitch this concept, or
Speaker 4: here's how I can help you build this podcast or
Speaker 4: whatever you want to do. I think if someone comes
Speaker 4: to me is like I want to be a content
Speaker 4: creator because I want to be famous and make money.
Speaker 3: Like that's just not interesting to me.
Speaker 4: Like I want someone that like is willing to create
Speaker 4: content that provides value and is interesting and like they
Speaker 4: have like a space they can carve out.
Speaker 5: C has a question.
Speaker 8: Oh hi Ali, I'm a big fan for some long time.
Speaker 8: I what about people out there? They don't have a
Speaker 8: big following, they don't want to get paid, but they
Speaker 8: want to get those pre r boxes. Oh yeah, merchant stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 8: how does one go about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So that is like, well, first of all, there's like
Speaker 4: a handful of different platforms you can sign up for. Really,
Speaker 4: like one is called for fo hr or pond. Are
Speaker 4: you asking for a friend? Are you asking for yourself
Speaker 4: a friend?
Speaker 8: Or may not want these things?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's tons of platforms that you can sign
Speaker 4: up for. Also, just like introduce yourself, like get in
Speaker 4: the dms of these brands, Like so many brands are
Speaker 4: just so thirsty to like send product and get content
Speaker 4: and get those impressions. So like, yeah, that would be
Speaker 4: like my suggestion, it's just getting the dms.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like more than ever brands are like
Speaker 2: wanting to send stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because I think it's like the space has evolved,
Speaker 4: Like paying content creators is expensive, so like an entryway
Speaker 4: is to like gift and get content that way and
Speaker 4: get impressions that way.
Speaker 2: So yes, well then and then it's like with TikTok,
Speaker 2: if someone just posts about something they're gifted gifted and
Speaker 2: it goes viral, it creates buzz around their product, right,
Speaker 2: So it makes sense because TikTok has brought this new
Speaker 2: sense of potential to go viral.
Speaker 3: For anyone, one video, anyone, yeah.
Speaker 4: Which is like honestly amazing. And we've started wrapping people
Speaker 4: that are like have started being content creators within the
Speaker 4: last six months, which is wild, like you've been doing
Speaker 4: this for ten years.
Speaker 5: Are people growing on Instagram?
Speaker 1: New people are new people.
Speaker 2: A lot of people like me old self field self
Speaker 2: grow and uh Instagram because I really, I mean I've
Speaker 2: been I've been at my following since the batchel or.
Speaker 3: Basically one point one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, growing on Instagram is really really hard, like very difficult,
Speaker 4: they say, like reels, like creating a reel every single
Speaker 4: day stories, and now they're actually switching to carousels and
Speaker 4: static posts being priority.
Speaker 3: Yeah, mine are doing better.
Speaker 5: My static posts are doing better than my reels.
Speaker 3: It's like the algorithm is just always changing on us, but.
Speaker 1: Keeping us on our toes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, which I respect my biggest tip. And I
Speaker 4: feel like, Tanya, you do this, like thank you. You
Speaker 4: create content every single day every day and like you
Speaker 4: really you're in it to win it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate you saying that because I feel
Speaker 1: like I suck at it. I have my crutches, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like I always do my like same ten
Speaker 1: things every single day.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? It's like how the
Speaker 3: things you're passionate about, right yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But it's also like those crutches. I think
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like I need to like be better
Speaker 1: about just showing more of Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yes, I always used to think that like niche and
Speaker 4: down was like the best way to be a content creator,
Speaker 4: But I feel like if you want to work with brands.
Speaker 4: That's not necessarily true. It's like showing everything about you,
Speaker 4: like what makes you dynamic and interesting, from fitness to
Speaker 4: being a bride, to you know whatever.
Speaker 3: It's called glutial et cetera.
Speaker 2: Right, right, right, speaking of being a bride, I want
Speaker 2: to talk about wedding planning.
Speaker 3: So much better about it, by way, I do. We're
Speaker 3: going to take a break. We're going to be right back.
Speaker 3: We'll talk more about that. All right, we're back.
Speaker 2: So wedding planning first, Let's go back to the start
Speaker 2: of where it all begin. That you're planning a wedding,
Speaker 2: because when I met you, you were in a different
Speaker 2: relationship than you're in now, and it's kind of not
Speaker 2: a similar story as mine, but it was similar in
Speaker 2: the sense that you were with a person that wasn't
Speaker 2: right for you, and you had signs, but you were
Speaker 2: willing to ignore them out of the fear of being alone.
Speaker 4: Yes, which is is a tough one. Like I think
Speaker 4: that's common, right, Like a lot of people are afraid
Speaker 4: of being alone. I said earlier, I was very independent,
Speaker 4: but I think maybe I'm not so interesting.
Speaker 2: I find your person, you find safety in their comfort,
Speaker 2: and so it's the comfort of wanting to be at
Speaker 2: that person because I would consider myself a very independent person.
Speaker 2: But I love being with Haley twenty four to seven.
Speaker 1: So I'm jealous of.
Speaker 2: That when you were when you were in your other relationship,
Speaker 2: we traveled all over the world together because you were
Speaker 2: just ready and willing to leave whenever.
Speaker 3: Like I said.
Speaker 4: Before, like I was so obsessed and dedicated to my
Speaker 4: business at the time, which made like other parts of
Speaker 4: my life not priority. And that was just like the facts.
Speaker 4: I feel like what you prioritize flourishes, right, Like we
Speaker 4: all know that, like professionally or with anything in your life.
Speaker 4: I do think too, Like people had always told me,
Speaker 4: like when you meet the one, you're gonna know, and
Speaker 4: I'd be like, that is so dumb, Like that is
Speaker 4: the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Until I met Carston
Speaker 4: right and I was like, holy crap, Like it's like
Speaker 4: constant butterflies. I'm so obsessed with him. I find everything
Speaker 4: he does like so exciting and invigorating and like I'm
Speaker 4: just like I want more of him, like all the time.
Speaker 2: Oh and for no, like for the first four how
Speaker 2: long do we do it? Four years of knowing you
Speaker 2: I never saw you that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like ever like.
Speaker 2: You would talk, like hearing your conversations, you know, it
Speaker 2: was just a very different tone. And when y'all's relationship
Speaker 2: ended with your ex and you started dating again, it
Speaker 2: was like I saw this new version of you and
Speaker 2: Carston brought out a totally different side of you. And
Speaker 2: when I met Hayley, I experience that same thing. So
Speaker 2: seeing it happened to your best friend is like such.
Speaker 1: A I'd love to have seen that with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think it's just like I was
Speaker 4: like happy in a new way, and I think too,
Speaker 4: like I put business aside for a minute and I
Speaker 4: was like what makes Ali happy?
Speaker 1: What like what are the things that's I happy?
Speaker 3: Haley pr happy?
Speaker 4: And that was just like this like overwhelming feeling, honestly
Speaker 4: like and I think, like, I mean, I can try,
Speaker 4: I can talk about this, but like even sexually, like
Speaker 4: I was like I had this like reawakening, reawakening of
Speaker 4: my sexuality, which was like stuff I hadn't felt before,
Speaker 4: and it was when you know, you know, like it
Speaker 4: really is so true. And I think it's just like
Speaker 4: he keeps me excited and inspired I.
Speaker 2: Still feel like you're that way and you'll been together.
Speaker 2: It'll be four years, this this coming.
Speaker 1: Thing right, five years because you longer than we.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is what I.
Speaker 4: Always like, Did I meet Carson first or just you
Speaker 4: meet Robbie first?
Speaker 1: Because and Carson first, because I remember specifically it was
Speaker 1: new you guys were like newly dating. But it was
Speaker 1: Becca's birthday dinner and you were telling me how you.
Speaker 3: Met the dinner.
Speaker 1: What Yeah, she was telling me how she met that
Speaker 1: you met this guy on Hinge that you really like,
Speaker 1: and so you were in early days. But I remember
Speaker 1: specifically because I got on Hinge October thirty first, and
Speaker 1: then I met Robbie November first, So you guys were
Speaker 1: for sure dating for maybe like a few weeks before
Speaker 1: I met Robbie.
Speaker 3: This is right. I think it was a different guy. Okay,
Speaker 3: let's just say I dated and Gord I was like
Speaker 3: I was at I said, as I was having a
Speaker 3: lot of fun on Hinge, I was.
Speaker 1: Like, you're meeting great people.
Speaker 4: I was meeting great people on Hinge and I was dating,
Speaker 4: Like I was like, so.
Speaker 1: When did you as meet?
Speaker 2: We met?
Speaker 3: I guess we matched in like November.
Speaker 1: I was twenty nineteen. Yeah, oh so same time.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, okay, yeah yeah, because yeah, I was thirty
Speaker 4: one at the time.
Speaker 3: So, oh my god, that's so crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it'll be five years this yes, fall this November.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god. And I think that, Oh wow.
Speaker 1: I mean my reality is like totally shook, chicked down.
Speaker 3: But I do want to say, like, did I not
Speaker 3: tell you different?
Speaker 1: Well, whatever it was, it inspired me, and I got
Speaker 1: on Hinge the next day and met Robbie the following day. No, yes,
Speaker 1: I met in November first.
Speaker 3: On Hinge at all at all, I really downloaded it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh no, but so it was.
Speaker 3: Yours anti apps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was your story. And then I'd gotten my
Speaker 1: vagina wax and my vagina waxer met her guy on
Speaker 1: Hinge and I was like, this is the universal community.
Speaker 1: Get on Hinge. Yeah, so I was on.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: I tried Bumble for like two days. Yeah, Becca helped
Speaker 4: me launch. I went I lunch. It was a whole
Speaker 4: lunch of the apps.
Speaker 3: But then I only did Hinge. I think the end.
Speaker 3: I didn't do like Raya or any of the like
Speaker 3: other things.
Speaker 2: So you knew pretty much immediately that Carson was the one,
Speaker 2: like you had the feeling that everyone told you.
Speaker 3: Were going to have.
Speaker 2: I was like obsessed, Okay, and then y'all got engaged
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and remember it vividly.
Speaker 1: I Thanksgiving twenty two, Yeah, because I remember showing it
Speaker 1: to Robbie being like, look, who's engaged. Interesting dating a
Speaker 1: little bit less than us, but you thought it was longer? Yeah, true,
Speaker 1: was it? I said around the same time.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if you've ever told your story
Speaker 2: of getting engaged publicly, or if you've shared that.
Speaker 3: About how y'all got engage. A lot of people are wondering.
Speaker 4: Public outlets minus my Instagram. I did do a Instagram
Speaker 4: or TikTok it. Yeah, we got engaged November twenty two
Speaker 4: in Hawaii and Kona, the Big Island. Carston took me
Speaker 4: to this really cute church that we drove up to,
Speaker 4: and I thought we were just doing like some sight seeing,
Speaker 4: and I immediately was like, oh my god, this is
Speaker 4: the church my parents got engaged at because I know
Speaker 4: this because it's like printed in our home, and I
Speaker 4: thought that was a surprise.
Speaker 3: I was like that, this is so sweet of you.
Speaker 4: Like how thoughtful to take me here, like let's take
Speaker 4: some photos. And then he gets on his knee and
Speaker 4: he's like so so nervous and like shaky, and I
Speaker 4: was like, you were getting so weird. What's happening. I
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, I'm being proposed to. And
Speaker 4: that's how it happened.
Speaker 3: Did you block out.
Speaker 5: What he said?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: And he knows what he said right, Like it's just
Speaker 4: sort of like, oh my god, ring he's coming, like
Speaker 4: oh yeah, we asked this lady like to take photos
Speaker 4: of us, who like they were the worst photos, like
Speaker 4: I didn't really get Yeah, we didn't really get like
Speaker 4: the best content, which is fine, but yeah, that's how
Speaker 4: it happened. It was like a whirlwind though, like it
Speaker 4: was just I still can't believe it. Like I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I'm like too young.
Speaker 3: To be engaged, Like am I old not to be
Speaker 3: doing this? Like I'm not sure am I responsible enough?
Speaker 2: Thing?
Speaker 4: Like yeah, like it makes you it's like whoa like?
Speaker 4: And I never was one of those ones. I was
Speaker 4: like dying to get married, like it really never like
Speaker 4: like romanticized that necessarily, so like diving into the wedding
Speaker 4: planning process, and like doing this, I'm kind of like,
Speaker 4: whoa this is this is fun, this.
Speaker 1: Is a lot, Like I get such I feel like
Speaker 1: I get such a reprieve. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: the right word when I talk big words. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're never really sure if it's being used right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know if we go with it. When I
Speaker 1: talk to you about this stuff, because you got engaged
Speaker 1: in November of twenty twenty two and you're getting married
Speaker 1: in the year twenty twenty four, yes, and everybody's always
Speaker 1: on me like why have we started planning? Why have
Speaker 1: we started planning? I'm like, it's so intimidating, and it's
Speaker 1: just like a lot, you know, like it's a lot financially,
Speaker 1: it's a lot like when you have when you're both
Speaker 1: have full time jobs, like there's only so much and
Speaker 1: we have two kids in mix, like there's only so
Speaker 1: much time that we can devote to like trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out, and then like there's just so much
Speaker 1: and I always feel like you I can.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I always feel like we're kind of on the same
Speaker 1: wavelength with all this stuff, because like it took you
Speaker 1: some time to like get it going, oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's what I feel like it is like happening with
Speaker 1: me too.
Speaker 4: I was very overwhelmed by the process. And I think
Speaker 4: because like I work in this like the industry of
Speaker 4: like events and production and stuff, and I'm like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, like planning this like I know it's going
Speaker 4: to like go into this, And initially we wanted it
Speaker 4: in la but then decided to do Amsterdam because that's
Speaker 4: where Carston's from. He's Dutch, which I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: An overseas planning. That's like a whole other thing.
Speaker 3: It's a lot. Like people say, it's like a.
Speaker 4: Second full time job, and like we both a full
Speaker 4: time job. So it's like where do you find the
Speaker 4: time for us. It's like we've carved out like an
Speaker 4: hour each week to kind of like I could go in.
Speaker 4: Your family time is something you call it family family meetings,
Speaker 4: like you know, maybe you make them an hour longer,
Speaker 4: and it's like the wedding planning time.
Speaker 1: I think once you get a day in a venue,
Speaker 1: I think it's starts to flow. It's just like we
Speaker 1: can't even figure out a day in a venue.
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's not figured out yet, right, No, I
Speaker 3: think the difference of like, use it, everyone's on you.
Speaker 2: I think it's that you wanted You have been so
Speaker 2: vocal about wanting this, I think Ali, but like Ali
Speaker 2: was like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna take my time. There's no rush. I
Speaker 3: think that's why people are like.
Speaker 1: What's interesting that I was like, I love having people over,
Speaker 1: Like I love having parties like at our house, having
Speaker 1: people over, Like.
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the idea of like planning an event is so
Speaker 1: overwhelming to me, Like it really is because I have
Speaker 1: no idea, Like I just like I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm doing. Obviously I have a wedding planner who knows
Speaker 1: what she's doing. Yeah, But like I think that it
Speaker 1: is because I've had so much of this like dream
Speaker 1: in my head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's pressure.
Speaker 1: There's so much pressure that it's like you don't know
Speaker 1: if you're making the right decision ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean it's also a lot of money, yes, which
Speaker 4: I feel.
Speaker 3: This weird guilt about.
Speaker 4: I don't know how to explain it really, like I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is so much money to spend on something. I
Speaker 4: don't know if that it like is it like it's
Speaker 4: kind of like, oh, should I just elope, and is
Speaker 4: that the route we go? Or do I have this
Speaker 4: like lavish, five hundred person wedding, Like which way do
Speaker 4: I go?
Speaker 1: It's like your head and your heart constantly like combating
Speaker 1: each other because you're like, yeah, I can have that,
Speaker 1: save this money and do like buy a house or
Speaker 1: do all these things. But then in my heart, I'm like,
Speaker 1: but I've always really wanted a wedding and to be
Speaker 1: the bride and like, yeah, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it's like you have these two competing things. I think
Speaker 1: also being in your thirties. In your twenties, I would
Speaker 1: have spent all the money. I would have like gone
Speaker 1: in debt to like have this carriage bring me out,
Speaker 1: and you're on the slipper, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like there would have been no stop to it. And
Speaker 1: now that I'm older and I'm like, I make my
Speaker 1: own money, and like you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: just feel like it's just it's just.
Speaker 2: So you also you have different You're like I want
Speaker 2: a house. There's just different things that you're like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like money doesn't grow on tree.
Speaker 5: Yeah no, it sure doesn't.
Speaker 3: No, it don't. And don't what.
Speaker 2: Okay, First of all, did you enjoy your bachelorette party?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, okay, I had like a week and
Speaker 4: a half hangover from that too.
Speaker 3: I think I read it.
Speaker 4: I was so unwell. I just cannot drink anymore. I
Speaker 4: didn't even drink that much. I have like maybe two
Speaker 4: shots and like a tequila soda. What No, I really
Speaker 4: didn't that much.
Speaker 1: Why did we take so many shots?
Speaker 3: Then we all took a way more than two shots. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you guys are stronger than me though.
Speaker 4: So the hangover was real, like horrible, but the event
Speaker 4: the bachelorette itself amazing.
Speaker 3: Thanks to you. Thank you for helping as you don't
Speaker 3: I yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say how I planned her whole
Speaker 2: bachelorette Like Ali had a vision for what she wanted,
Speaker 2: Like if I had done it, there would have been
Speaker 2: randy and climb paraphernalia, and she had a vision and
Speaker 2: blame the whole thing. So every time that people compliment
Speaker 2: me about the Bachelor or you say thank you, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I showed up.
Speaker 3: I guess I'm like a bit.
Speaker 4: I was a bit of a micromanager, not gonna lie
Speaker 4: like I definitely had the mood boards the pinterest, the
Speaker 4: vision for it.
Speaker 3: But you were you.
Speaker 4: You got us those amazing bags from Poolside, which were
Speaker 4: like so so cute. You got us gifting like you
Speaker 4: did a lot. And you also were like the vibe,
Speaker 4: like you kept everyone excited, You included everyone. You just
Speaker 4: are like you're such a ray of sunshine in that regard.
Speaker 4: And I think literally everyone, like my sister in laws
Speaker 4: where they were like we love Becca, like we want
Speaker 4: her to be our best friend.
Speaker 3: Like they were like obsessed with you.
Speaker 4: So that's what you brought to the table, which I've
Speaker 4: never done.
Speaker 3: It's iceless.
Speaker 1: It really is priceless.
Speaker 3: You don't know, you don't know, you don't know like
Speaker 3: how you touch people like you really are.
Speaker 1: It's just it's a gift.
Speaker 3: You have it.
Speaker 1: I don't think I have it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think most people think I'm like really stand
Speaker 4: offish and like business.
Speaker 3: Even when you get to know me, I'm like, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't think yeah, but do you know what's so crazy?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: It was like you're never going to have a bauchelrette
Speaker 1: party again.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that's why it's dark.
Speaker 1: It gets dark.
Speaker 3: Oh god, post wedding blues. I cannot even imagine.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 1: That's like I think that there's something psychological with me
Speaker 1: too that's pushing everything because I'm like, you still get
Speaker 1: to like, yeah, you know, like I'm never going to
Speaker 1: have a batch.
Speaker 3: It was already in dark.
Speaker 4: It's kind of the shootest part I always say is
Speaker 4: being the fiance.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, and I'm like, I'm never going to
Speaker 1: have this period again. I just keep pushing it, like
Speaker 1: I'm like no, no, no, Like I can't get married until
Speaker 1: twenty four. It's too soon.
Speaker 3: It's too so soon.
Speaker 1: Because I'm like, I don't want it to end.
Speaker 3: I get that one hundred percent. Yeah, don't let it end.
Speaker 6: Just be engaged for this in my life.
Speaker 2: How did you so after the wedding, we're going on
Speaker 2: a buddy moon and there's a group of us going
Speaker 2: with you in Carston to celebrate the wedding, the nuptials.
Speaker 2: How did you come to the conclusion of doing that
Speaker 2: versus a honeymoon.
Speaker 4: I think because we like we were all going to
Speaker 4: be in Europe, and I was like, when will I
Speaker 4: have all these friends in Europe with me again? Like
Speaker 4: that feels rare, once in a lifetime, if you will. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So we were like, yeah, let's do a buddy moon.
Speaker 3: I'm so excited. We're going to Mayorca, which is going
Speaker 3: to be what you've been to before.
Speaker 5: But I've never been to Amsterdam somewhere.
Speaker 3: You haven't. No, you have, you haven't. No, you have
Speaker 3: never I've never been. I no, you really haven't. And
Speaker 3: I wanted to have you been?
Speaker 2: Have you?
Speaker 3: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: I would say not many people have.
Speaker 3: You're so is it in Becca the Netherlands? Good job
Speaker 3: and they speak Dutch.
Speaker 1: Yes, I didn't know for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I know the time is good. There there
Speaker 2: were so many questions that people wanted me to get to.
Speaker 2: I think we got. We did business, we did wedding,
Speaker 2: we did friendship. People also wanted to know your thoughts
Speaker 2: when I started dating Haley, or like how I told
Speaker 2: you or what I told you when we like kids
Speaker 2: or whatever. Oh.
Speaker 3: I actually vividly remember this. I don't know. Maybe I'm
Speaker 3: like wrong, but I think this is how it went.
Speaker 4: We were at like a brand event together for like Bulgari. Yes, yes,
Speaker 4: it was this like really fancy event. I like, was
Speaker 4: your plus one?
Speaker 3: We went?
Speaker 1: She's You're always her plus one?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 1: So true?
Speaker 4: Oh oh Oh, I didn't know where that was going.
Speaker 3: You say, no, they're too these events are too late
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're like, I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: meet up with this girl, like and I think you
Speaker 4: had met her before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we met on Wednesday time. Yeah, and you're like,
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna go to like chateau right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well I didn't know that's where I was going at that.
Speaker 2: I just we were going to go get a drink.
Speaker 4: And I was like what, Like I was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 4: Like I just thought it was like a friendship thing.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay.
Speaker 4: And then I think we talked the next morning and
Speaker 4: you had like made out, not that.
Speaker 3: Night, you didn't, not that night, the next the next night, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: And I was like.
Speaker 1: Yeah when she said I made out, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did not see the story going.
Speaker 3: No, I totally And I was like, not when you.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to seem shocked, so I was like, cool, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can try to knock the shop look off my face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did a great job. Yeah, so chill.
Speaker 4: But I think I was like I was so excited
Speaker 4: for you because like I'd never had seen you.
Speaker 3: Get excited about someone before, Like I was like, oh
Speaker 3: what about that guy or this guy, and.
Speaker 4: You're kind of just like like like not interested.
Speaker 1: No, I don't have that chip in me. Yeah I
Speaker 1: have it.
Speaker 4: And then when you talked about her, it was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we made out and and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: this could totally be something.
Speaker 3: And then when did I meet her? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think I met her until like May of the.
Speaker 3: Well she was on tour yeah, oh in Europe. No, well,
Speaker 3: no she was.
Speaker 2: She did her US tour, like she left the week
Speaker 2: after we met, so like not really anyone met her
Speaker 2: for a minute.
Speaker 3: I feel like I met her.
Speaker 1: I met her at a beach trip. I remember it
Speaker 1: was a beach trip.
Speaker 3: A beach trip, No you met her?
Speaker 5: Did you help me clean?
Speaker 3: Did I meet Haley? I don't know. We need to
Speaker 3: go back and figure this out, because.
Speaker 1: Honestly, my old age, my memory is going, We're not old,
Speaker 1: it's going.
Speaker 3: I had like all of.
Speaker 2: My best friends were so like okay, what like it
Speaker 2: was like what okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like I think I went from like
Speaker 4: oh wow too, this is exciting. Yeah, and then I
Speaker 4: was like wait, I need to see her on Instagram.
Speaker 4: I was like, she's so cool.
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, she's really really cool, and was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was intimidated to meet her initially,
Speaker 4: And didn't she think I was intimidating or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think everyone thinks that you're, like you said,
Speaker 2: very business like, but once you once the veil comes off,
Speaker 2: you're truly one of the funny people. And I think
Speaker 2: for a long time I featured you on my Instagram
Speaker 2: story dancing, and that's how people got to know you.
Speaker 3: So then when I just those are just so gross, it's.
Speaker 2: Amazing, That's when my content was thriving the most. And
Speaker 2: I think that people see you in such when I
Speaker 2: go to your work or see help your coworkers interact
Speaker 2: with you, it makes me laugh because I just think
Speaker 2: you're so funny, I know, and people don't get to
Speaker 2: see that all the time, no, which.
Speaker 4: Is hard like being I mean, you know, like being
Speaker 4: in corporate, like you have this like way you have
Speaker 4: to be, which I don't feel like I get to
Speaker 4: be myself all the time, right, you said.
Speaker 2: Carson wrote you a letter, I think on your birthday
Speaker 2: or something. He said something like, thank you for always
Speaker 2: filling our house with laughter? Is that what he said?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are you crying?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Maybe?
Speaker 4: Like yeah, yeah he did say that. He said filling
Speaker 4: our home. Yeah, filling our home with laughter. And I
Speaker 4: was just like, and I feel like that's actually like
Speaker 4: the center point of our relationship, and would I like
Speaker 4: seek out.
Speaker 3: I think in any.
Speaker 4: Friendship, like with you, for example, it's like it's always
Speaker 4: centered on like humor and funniness and just like constantly laughing.
Speaker 3: And I think that's like my love language. Maybe I
Speaker 3: don't know. If not, I do too. It's not an
Speaker 3: official one, but I feel that way too.
Speaker 2: And I feel like it's funny because I have such
Speaker 2: a different relationship with both of you, Like y'all are
Speaker 2: both my best friends, but I have such a they're different.
Speaker 3: I literally can't They're just so different, but I had
Speaker 3: to rate them.
Speaker 2: If I texted you the way that I text Ali,
Speaker 2: you would be devastated.
Speaker 3: Oh really. Sometimes I like.
Speaker 1: Cute stuff like how are you feeling, how's your heart?
Speaker 1: Like what's going on? And she she'll text me back
Speaker 1: and be like, what's going on? Like I don't understand
Speaker 1: what is this?
Speaker 3: Like, just how are you feeling?
Speaker 2: Socially I'm like, I'm just trying to clean my house
Speaker 2: right now, but you do you need me?
Speaker 1: Do you need something? I'm like just like oh.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't out. It was more just like, are
Speaker 2: you okay? What's happening? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever asked you like an important moment. Sure,
Speaker 4: like I'm there and I can be, but day to day,
Speaker 4: like I mean, I also text really.
Speaker 5: Really weird, like yo, like a different language.
Speaker 4: Just yeah, it's like one sentence or one word or
Speaker 4: like I'm just very like short.
Speaker 2: You have friendships where you have different humor with your friends.
Speaker 1: If you had to, like you know, you when you're
Speaker 1: in school and you had to pick your kickbox team
Speaker 1: And if you're.
Speaker 5: Picking, I'll drink, I'll take a shot.
Speaker 2: Probably.
Speaker 3: I feel like maybe you would choosing. My sister's really
Speaker 3: just wants you to pick.
Speaker 1: We pick, Yeah, just just rate us.
Speaker 3: I'm not picking. It's like it's just different. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: like picking a favorite child. You don't have a favorite child.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good ways.
Speaker 1: Do Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. Parrots say they don't,
Speaker 1: but they do.
Speaker 3: Okay, pick between Sonny and Robbie. Oh, Robbie Robbie. Oh
Speaker 3: my god, pick between Phoebe and Haley.
Speaker 1: What Hailey Hailey?
Speaker 3: But like that's really hard. Oh my god, no what yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh I don't like No. I mean Brooks is like
Speaker 3: number one king of all kings, but.
Speaker 1: A person goes above him. Yeah yeah, whoa.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean Haley goes above all. But that's tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, always go back to I know we do gotta go.
Speaker 1: But if you were to give a twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: bride any words of wisdom, tips, money tricks, anything like
Speaker 1: whoaud because you're getting married.
Speaker 4: Soon elope, oh ohpe, or do like a really and
Speaker 4: to ment like little beach dinner or something with like
Speaker 4: twenty people, fifteen to twenty people. Just make it really simple.
Speaker 4: Don't spend more than like ten thousand dollars, Like it
Speaker 4: is just so much money time and investment in something
Speaker 4: that lasts just one one day.
Speaker 2: Okay, but hold on, we needed to revisit this after
Speaker 2: we have the wedding.
Speaker 4: Yes, a wedding might be like I'm so excited and
Speaker 4: feel like so privileged to be able to like have
Speaker 4: this wedding, Like not everyone can can do that, and
Speaker 4: I feel like having an elopement and like getting cute
Speaker 4: content and dressing up for the day are really intimate
Speaker 4: like dinner would have like the same sentiment, I think,
Speaker 4: without maybe all of the headache. But again, like I
Speaker 4: haven't been married, I haven't done the whole wedding.
Speaker 3: I am so excited for mine. But maybe I'm telling
Speaker 3: you to go elope time.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, and I guess if you are some one thing,
Speaker 1: I think here's the thing. You are never god willing,
Speaker 1: never going to get married again. Right, so this is
Speaker 1: like this is my wedding, Like this is my once
Speaker 1: in my lifetime wedding. I'm not gonna I don't want
Speaker 1: it to be this like schmorgs wor overboard Cinderella carriage,
Speaker 1: like I want be four. But I feel like, let's
Speaker 1: say in ten twenty years, you can always have an
Speaker 1: intimate beach dinner party. You can't have a wedding again.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? I do?
Speaker 4: Okay, so let me like reanswer and I'll answer in
Speaker 4: the way of like, Okay, you want to have a
Speaker 4: wedding and that's the thing. Yeah, So find me a
Speaker 4: really good wedding planner. Is key, Like they're the person
Speaker 4: who knows the vendors like they are going to keep
Speaker 4: everything like straight figure out your budget and stick to
Speaker 4: it ahead of time. It's very easy to be like, oh, sure,
Speaker 4: I'll add the extra five thousand dollars flowers, because why not.
Speaker 4: But if you give me your fog machine, yeah, like
Speaker 4: you don't need the yeah.
Speaker 3: The full I can do fog machines.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, no fog machines. There's one of my tips.
Speaker 4: And yeah, stick to that budget and have fun along
Speaker 4: the way. Like it's not it's not work, it's not serious.
Speaker 4: Like the planning process should be fun and exciting.
Speaker 3: Great, so wedding planner. Yeah, and instead of budget and
Speaker 3: like have fun along the way. What about stylist?
Speaker 4: I don't this has been such a headache for me,
Speaker 4: Like I don't think that I like naturally of good
Speaker 4: like personal clothing style and so like having to like
Speaker 4: dress myself for the wedding events. Like Becka probably has
Speaker 4: four thousand different like links that I've sent her for.
Speaker 5: Both of us back and forth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for like what am I wearing to this? And what?
Speaker 4: Like, So a stylist is fun? Maybe are there like
Speaker 4: wedding stylists like that is Like so if that's not
Speaker 4: a business like that.
Speaker 3: Should be a business. I'm sure there is, yeah, but
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's my recommendation too.
Speaker 2: All right, where can people follow you all the tips
Speaker 2: and tricks on Instagram and TikTok and YouTube shorts, sick
Speaker 2: substack now?
Speaker 3: Because I just launched fun whoa, Oh that was what
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask you about. Where what platforms you're
Speaker 3: seeing growth on? Okay, so subs? Do you guys know
Speaker 3: what substack?
Speaker 5: I've heard of it, but I thought it was like political.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, yeah, there are like political writers on it,
Speaker 4: but it's basically like a blogging platform with like a
Speaker 4: newsletter built in. Actually could be really interesting for scrubbing
Speaker 4: in that could be something we Yeah, a newsletter, yeah,
Speaker 4: like on top of the Facebook group Yeah, which I
Speaker 4: am an admin of, very proud admire of.
Speaker 5: Yeah creator, Oh wow, you made it.
Speaker 3: That is true. I need to get more involved with
Speaker 3: the love of my scrub sisters.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they love you.
Speaker 3: Oh that's sweet.
Speaker 4: I think platform that is like really interesting right now
Speaker 4: is substack. I think that's like really if you like
Speaker 4: to write, like, it's a really great platform. TikTok, YouTube shorts,
Speaker 4: Instagram always snapshat, Yeah, snap for like the right creator,
Speaker 4: Like I don't it's it's Exkews Younger, right, it's like
Speaker 4: more gen Z. But it has something called Spotlight where
Speaker 4: you can like it's just like a feed like Instagram
Speaker 4: reels or a TikTok feed, so you can just like
Speaker 4: post your short form there and yeah, start building a following.
Speaker 2: I had a conversation last week or yeah, about how
Speaker 2: I'm accepting that I'm I'm a millennial.
Speaker 3: I'm a millennial, not gen Z. You're like a mid
Speaker 3: to high elder millennial. I know that I'm having to
Speaker 3: accept it. You ow all people know, so.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, but you're like core millennial. Yes, yes, I
Speaker 4: understand having to like wrap your head around Yeah, wrap.
Speaker 3: Your head around it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I felt like you could relate. Okay, So where can
Speaker 3: people follow you? What's your substack?
Speaker 4: I guess just my Instagram, which is Ali Grant, and
Speaker 4: then I have started a TikTok and a new Instagram
Speaker 4: about like creator tips and tricks, like if you're interested
Speaker 4: in getting into that space, I'm starting to build content
Speaker 4: there for people.
Speaker 1: Why did you choose to make a separate account for that?
Speaker 1: Like I liked that on yours.
Speaker 3: You did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's it's like a different part of you.
Speaker 4: Oh really put it on my normal instagram. I feel
Speaker 4: like my normal instagram is so like fashion, beauty, aesthetic blog.
Speaker 1: Oh that's what you you think it is?
Speaker 3: Okay, interesting, that's good feedback.
Speaker 4: Maybe I do just like the tips talk about like
Speaker 4: trying to build.
Speaker 3: A new Instagram from scratch. I don't even know how
Speaker 3: to like do that.
Speaker 2: Here's what I think though, I think there's a I
Speaker 2: think it's smart because it separates anything that you want
Speaker 2: to keep personal on your Instagram. It separates the work
Speaker 2: part of it. So I think having a separate one
Speaker 2: is smart because you don't want to feel like your
Speaker 2: whole personal instagram is all business and you always have
Speaker 2: to post like tips and stuff. You know, people can
Speaker 2: give reach out to you and you get feedback through
Speaker 2: the business account.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you both, great thoughts. Take them both into consideration.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
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