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Speaker 1: Rocking Gym. Hey, welcome back. It's the Dropping Gyms podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Debbie Brown. This is your safe, soft

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Speaker 1: Ultimately for the highest good of ourselves and all those

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Speaker 1: that are connected to us. Thank you for joining me

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Speaker 1: here today's episode. Wow, I felt so so deeply special

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is featuring the founder of Mama Glow, Latham Thomas.

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Speaker 1: Just a truly exceptional, groundbreaking, wise, deep, highly intuitive force

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Speaker 1: And if you were to actually fully be able to

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Speaker 1: see the full picture, many of us would never take

427
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: the path because if you saw what it all would entail,

428
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: if you saw how much you know, you would have

429
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: to endure, you wouldn't even take the first step. And

430
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: so what's beautiful about UM journeys? They're always cyclical, right,

431
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: like we're we're winding our way, we can't see straight,

432
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: so as we even put one ft in front of

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00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: the next, we still can't see onto the other side.

434
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Speaker 1: So which is actually a gift because it keeps us

435
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: in the present. It keeps us focus and committed. It

436
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: allows us to make space really right for or um

437
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: for what we're meant to do, and also to be

438
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: present and the experiences we're having. And so I'm thankful

439
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: for that because I think that in a culture that

440
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: we're in right now, right that's like accelerated and everything

441
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: is fast and instant, you know, um, and really there's

442
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: no um culminating moment of celebration or of ritual around

443
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, our arrival someplace where there certainly also isn't

444
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: a celebration of just this journey that we're taking, right.

445
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: It's all about like I gotta get here, I gotta

446
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: right And and I think that what what you're calling

447
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: does is really grounds you in the present and keeps

448
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: you honest and keeps you um like committed right committed

449
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: to work and and and and it really serves as

450
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: like I think, a tether, right so that you can

451
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: move through this world self paced, um, because it'll have

452
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: you if you look everywhere else, it'll have you think

453
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: like this world will have you think that you have

454
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: to you do all these things to succeed and whatever.

455
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: And but when you're doing what you're meant to do

456
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: like UM Like, it doesn't fit into these UM paradigms easily, right,

457
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: It's actually it's more expansive, you know, when we can

458
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: commit to our calling and we can commit to the

459
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: mission driven work. Right, So I think it's it's important

460
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: to UM like as we feel these things sitting in

461
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: our bellies and we feel the butterflies or whatever it

462
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: is or excitement UM to like, you know, step into

463
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: that right, step into the feeling, and also embrace the

464
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: work that's waiting for us. But find find your your

465
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: best listening tool, right because for me, it came through

466
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: so many different avenues like the words, and I was

467
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: like yeah, and then I kept pushing it off. And

468
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: so I think that we all get to where we're

469
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: supposed to be in our timing. But I certainly think

470
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: um the world that we live in can definitely keep

471
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: us distracted from doing the work right and not focusing

472
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: on ourselves and and what we're supposed to do. Wow. Wow, God,

473
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: that was so so exquisitely lived and taught. The way

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00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: that you shared that that is so beautiful And a

475
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: way that I like to frame it UM for myself

476
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: is like listening to the whispers, like noticing that feeling

477
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: in your body body, noticing that spiritual breadcrumbing that happens,

478
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: but not having to have this like anticipatory energy about it,

479
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: because sometimes that leads us to self sabotage. That's what

480
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: leads us to just pull ourselves out of the calling

481
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: and be just an ego about it. When is it

482
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: going to happen? How is it going to happen? When

483
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: people gonna know about it? Is it gonna am I

484
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: gonna feel like this about myself when it does happen?

485
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: And we get into all these things that that just

486
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: really convolute the purity of how were meant to be

487
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: in the world, how we're meant to serve with ease,

488
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: with grace, and I love you know when you shared

489
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: especially the piece about like having that Vedic astrology reading,

490
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: and that is something that I do. I have found,

491
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: especially in the last few months I'm speaking about extensively

492
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: on this show. What I think is so important about

493
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: that is it builds so much of our spiritual confidence.

494
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: You know, it really helps us say, Okay, I'm getting

495
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm getting confirmation that that is real or that's true,

496
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: or that thought I had in my mind now God

497
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: gifted me someone giving me, giving me a confirmation about

498
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: it um, and it makes it easier for us to

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00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: really listen, especially to the things we can't fathom, like

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00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: if we've had a life that was struggle. You know,

501
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: if you had a life that was people didn't celebrate you,

502
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: didn't believe you had goodness or greatness in you, or

503
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: didn't reflect that to you, so you could see that

504
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: in you. It is so hard to feel the weight

505
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: of a calling and like you're unworthy of it, you know,

506
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: and able to come in and be with people that

507
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: really see us, that can reflect what they see in

508
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: us to us, not just specifically like oh yeah, you're

509
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: a good person, it's like, wow, you hold depth, you

510
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: hold strengthen radient being. Like when we can see to

511
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: each other with deeper language, when we can have those confirmations,

512
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: it builds our our human experience to feel worthy of

513
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: our spiritual destiny. That's right, that's right, absolutely, yeah, let

514
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: the church say. And it's so powerful because it's like,

515
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: imagine what wouldn't be in the world if we didn't

516
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: hear the whispers, you know, I was thinking that this morning.

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00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: With then I'll just tell a quick story I um

518
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: I had. I was switching some stuff around in my

519
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: office and so I took this frame down and it

520
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: was a framed article from eight years ago. And at

521
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: this time, I was I was working in mindfulness, but

522
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: I was still very much in my career as like

523
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: a broadcaster and a radio personality. And the title of

524
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: the article that was in the Sunday paper was Tupac

525
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: meets Deepac with l A style. That was eight years ago.

526
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: At that I'm from Bordering in l A. But at

527
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: that time, I was doing radio in Houston, Texas, and

528
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, I was going to retreat that I wasn't

529
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: working with Deepac, and I was a SUPERPOC fan. And

530
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: then it's like this year, I'm like wow, Like I've

531
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: been back in l A for about five years. I

532
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: just contributed to a book on Tupac this year that's

533
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: coming out this year. And obviously, you know, I work

534
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: with my beloved Deepac, and I'm just like the whispers,

535
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: the whispers I had. I had no idea years ago,

536
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, I had no idea this would be my life.

537
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: I did, but I could see it, see it. You know,

538
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know what you actually look or feel like.

539
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: And so I was just I was just feeling grateful,

540
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: like I really just said thank you God, and thank

541
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: you me, thank you me for hearing the call, for

542
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: hearing the whisper and not having to have it all

543
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: figured out, and just saying yes, I will, Okay, let's

544
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: see where this is going. Yes, yes, yes, say yes,

545
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: say yes yes. The eaves comes by, you have to

546
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: say yes yes as someone in in such a powerful space.

547
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 1: And you know, when I think of wombwork, when I

548
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: think of the work of ushering in life, of helping

549
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: a woman expand spiritually and emotionally for such a massive

550
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: new life and new being like a mother births herself

551
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: as you birth your child, make no mess? Yes, right?

552
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: What do you find? Um? What do you find especially

553
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: as it relates to the journey of of women, the

554
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: journey of women being in their power, which is it

555
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: really feels collectively that this is the first time in

556
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: human history there's been such a mass of woman being

557
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: in her power? What are you doing being? And what

558
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: are you what are you holding a sacred in that

559
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: experience of you know, full woman being a mother, um, birthing,

560
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: growing and growing yourself. You know, I see, I see

561
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: many things, um, one of which is that community I

562
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: think is so critical and is guiding us to find

563
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: each other. Right. So, um, with all the technology, with

564
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: all the connection, right, there's there's this feeling of uh

565
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: like digital connectivity, um, but but not actual community, right,

566
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: like not actual you know, convening and supporting and witnessing

567
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: and the ways that we actually evolved for and so UM,

568
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: what I see is that people right now um need

569
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: essentially to be swaddled right and in community support. I'm

570
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: seeing that, you know, women are retreating to rest um

571
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: as a primary form of wellness, right, um, you know,

572
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: leaning into practices that are fortifying but that are also

573
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: about flowing down. Um. I'm seeing a lot of people

574
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: actively divest in the structures that have um caused the

575
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: need for mental health industrial complex. Um. I'm seeing people

576
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: struggle right with also, um what world it is that

577
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: they'll be bringing life into? Um so many things. I

578
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: feel like in this moment, you know, which is so interesting.

579
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: You know, people describe it so intentionally so but really

580
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: in a such a coded way, right Like we'll hear

581
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: things like, oh, it's such a dark moment, and it's

582
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: darkness moment, And I always think of like that being

583
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: really a misnomer because darkness is divine and hold on,

584
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: sit there there for a second. Darkness is divine darkness.

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00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: Darkness is divine. Yes, darkness is divine. And in anything

586
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: that takes us in a space where um, where we

587
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: do not have the capacity to see what we can

588
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: feel our way through um. If we're thinking about the

589
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: night time, which gives us, you know, time to rest

590
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: and restore our bodies until you know, the sun rises.

591
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: If we're thinking about you know, the soil, which is

592
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: incredible supports all life systems, and it is dark and

593
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: dank and wet and moist and full of microbes and

594
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: microorganisms and earthworms and mycilium and incredible roots systems that

595
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: support plant life. Right, that also supports our life. If

596
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: we think about and that's darkness that grows a seed

597
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: into fruition. And we think about the womb, which is darkness,

598
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: the womb which is dark which gives you know, forth

599
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,959
Speaker 1: the ability for um, something at seed level to take

600
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: shape and form into to a human being and emerged

601
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: from darkness into the light. Um, it's it's it's divine, right.

602
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: And then we think about beings, you know, have that

603
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: have been historically UM coded as UM as dark you know,

604
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: dark people, black people being you know, coded as bad

605
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: and seeing all of the incredible ancestral practices, the healing work,

606
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: the incredible contributions UM that we make into this world

607
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: right and who we are. It's like darkness is divine

608
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: right like like everything. Also that takes us into a

609
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 1: space where we have to reflect on moments of pain,

610
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: challenge or triumph. Uh. It it shapes us. It really,

611
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: it really retools us, shapes us and wild listen to

612
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: someone new, and that's through a period of darkness, right,

613
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: that's moving through a portal um. So it's a rebirth,

614
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: I think so I think that this is a really

615
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: beautiful period of rebirth. I do think that it's a

616
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: painful period. I do think that there are a lot

617
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: of things that this moment is asking of us. And

618
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: to your point about listening, it requires deep listening. This

619
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: is a time that we're being asked to listen. I

620
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: mean we got sent into the house to listen for

621
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: like two years, Like this is going on the second year, right,

622
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: we're going into two like a year and a half,

623
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: and where we were sent into the house and asked

624
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: to sit down and slow down, and what we were

625
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: doing was dysfunctional. Sit down and listen, right. Many of

626
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: us forced to be, you know, in situations that were

627
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and had to deal with family members, many people

628
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: in not safe situations. And so I want to speak

629
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: to the fact that like, yes, some people struggle to

630
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: people were economically insecure housing and secure food and secure

631
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: there are real you know, um. And also without health care,

632
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: many people died. So I'm acknowledging the truth in that

633
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: as well. And also that there was a divine lesson

634
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: for each of us, um if we were ready to

635
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: receive it, um, if we were ready to take action,

636
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: if we were ready to cultivate. This was a powerful

637
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: period of personal growth if you wanted to just date

638
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: something and be at home to allow it to anchor

639
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: and not have to be in transit and hustling and

640
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: going out and whatever, but being at home and and

641
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: and starting a practice that allows you to anchor and

642
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: and tether and be and be present. Many of us

643
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: got outside. Many people got planned. So many people did

644
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: all kinds of things to kind of make home really

645
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: more habitable for themselves, and a lot of people started

646
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: new things, and so I feel like that only just

647
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: through the birth space, but this a rebirth of things

648
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: that were back Bernard, right, things that you may well

649
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: have wanted to do but you never made the time for.

650
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: And and and the quarantine you finally did. I saw

651
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: a lot of that, and so I felt like, um,

652
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: this is a period that was highly potent and that

653
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: we could Um. I feel like if you come on

654
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: the other side of this experience and it didn't change you,

655
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: it didn't touch like like this, we were all touched.

656
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: So what way are we going to modify and design

657
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: our lives to accommodate the shift? Right? Like? We we can't.

658
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: There's no pushing through, there's no you know, like just

659
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: keep going, there's no charging through. There's no pretending that

660
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: we're not living through a global pandemic. And so how

661
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: you going to design your life around the shift and

662
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: and really make a space for something completely different and

663
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: invite that in and nurture and then grow something new.

664
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: I believe that's the invitation and that is reflected in

665
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: everything that we see in in in the life cycle

666
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: and living things right, and and that's I think, um

667
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 1: important for us to step into in this moment And

668
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: and The people who lead the charge for that are

669
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: the nurturers, right, The people who lead the charge for

670
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: that are the folks who know how to grow something

671
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: from the seed level and sustain it until it's ready

672
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: to grow, like to bloom. And that's the caregivers. That's

673
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: the mothers, that's the folks who that's the grandmothers, as

674
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: the aunties does. Those are the people who are the

675
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: crux of community, who helped to hold the universe together

676
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: by their fingertips um to make sure nothing falls out

677
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: of place. And so we're all being called to, I think,

678
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: really leading to our caregiving capacity. Regardless of how you identify,

679
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, we're all being called to mother and nurture

680
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: and and we're all being called to, really, I believe,

681
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: come closer. Even at a time we're being asked to

682
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: be physically distant, um, socially distant, all these things. I

683
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: do believe it's a time for us to find ways

684
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: to minimize that distance and and maximize our connection. Beautiful,

685
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Wow I everything that you just

686
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: said I feel such a deep alignment to and it

687
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: really um it even it makes me emotional on this

688
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: moment because I remember the freedom I felt when I

689
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: first realized that darkness could be my light that I

690
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: found and just embracing what was embracing sometimes the darker path.

691
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: And at the time that I fell into that, it

692
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: I didn't see that anywhere. You know. It was terrifying

693
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: and it was revolutionary. It was everyone was only focused

694
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: on positive mindset, positive mindset, love and light. You got

695
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: to tell yourself about things, and it's like, yeah, but

696
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: you have to remove the camps are first. You can't

697
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: just pile on nice verbs and adjectives and descriptives on

698
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: top of a pile of rot, you know, like we

699
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: have to excavate all of that, all of those experience,

700
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: all of that against nous itself, and then from that pure,

701
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: emptied vessel we refill with what is really us, what

702
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: is for us. Then it reminds me of the Roomy quote.

703
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: Um that I mean Roomy the poet changed everything, I

704
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: mean everything everything, But when he said, you know, darkness

705
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: is your candle, there is some light in that, and

706
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: and allowing yourself not to get lost in it, but

707
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: to just take a look around what is in that

708
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: dark Let me observe, you know, let me shine the

709
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: light on in here. And that I have this like

710
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: you know I have. I have all the questions for

711
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: you like them. I had this long lis um, but

712
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: the thing that really dropped into my head as you

713
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: were talking, and I feel like I have to I

714
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: have to ask it because there must be people that

715
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: need to hear this from you, For women, for any

716
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: women listening, any parents listening that are preparing for parenthood

717
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: that don't feel worthy of it, that don't feel worthy

718
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: of it because of the experiences that have happened to them.

719
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 1: M H. What would be a way to start um

720
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: redefining what you can be as a parent, especially if

721
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: you came from a family of origin that was not

722
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: serving for lack of a better word, right, or left

723
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: you with a lot of a lot of your dramas

724
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: that you swim through. Sometimes we feel unworthy of the

725
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: parenting journey, and then you can without meaning to. You

726
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: walk in with the best intentions, but without meaning to

727
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: you self sabotage because it's also one of the most

728
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: triggering journeys. Your child is the biggest reflective mirror of

729
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: your existence. How anything that you have for how someone

730
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: getting ready to start this journey can really show up

731
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: at it? Um in a way that honors them and

732
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: honors their child. Wow. Um, I should start by saying,

733
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm still in the journey. I have an eighteen year

734
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 1: old son, and uh, Debbie and I were speaking before

735
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: about how you just like never really get used to

736
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: the fact, Like I still don't get used to the

737
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: fact that he's here. Like even when I thought that,

738
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: like there will be a time, you know, when he

739
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: was a little, little little I would hover over him,

740
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: make sure he was breathing, you know, when they're tying

741
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: me and you're like, oh my god, oh my god,

742
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: oh my god. And even still he'll sleep and I'll

743
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: just hover over him and watch him. It doesn't it

744
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: doesn't end. He's eighteen, okay. So I would serve by

745
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: saying that, UM. You know, we UM. A lot of

746
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: us exit childhood UM in need of things that we

747
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: didn't receive from the primary care providers we had. And

748
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: for some of us, UM, it was more structure, attention

749
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: UM love UM. And for others of us who might

750
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: have been smothered and had too much attention, too much

751
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: restrictiveness UM. And then some exited where there was violence

752
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: and belittling and and so and combinations of all those

753
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: things and so UM, right, Like, one thing that's really

754
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: important is to understand, and I think that all parents

755
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: should understand this is that UM, like what happened to you, UM,

756
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: the things that occurred in your life, UM, are not

757
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: the some of who you are. And so because you

758
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 1: might have been UM mistreated or the people who were

759
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: intended to take care of you UM did their best

760
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: or did not have the capacity to do their best. UM,

761
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't mean that the next time when

762
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: it becomes your time, that you won't do a good

763
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: job at it, or that you don't deserve to have

764
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: a parenting relationship that is fulfilling. I. UM. I can

765
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: definitely say that there are things that I lived through

766
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: in my childhood that I did not want to repeat

767
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: and that I was so conscientious of. And one of

768
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: the first things I would say is if you're partnered,

769
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: to make sure that you have discussions UM. And even

770
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: if you're not partnered, whatever were the family configuration that

771
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: your child will be born into that everybody's on the

772
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: same page about parenting style because UM, you know, I

773
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: was really clear with my son's father, and he was

774
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: really clear with me that we would not be um,

775
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: physically hitting our child. And I'm someone who grew up

776
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: spanked whoopings as we called it, right, like getting getting

777
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: whooped and and I remember reading something as an adult

778
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: actually about what constitutes abuse, and I was reading a

779
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: list and I was like, oh my god, I experienced

780
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: all these things as a child, right, and not realizing

781
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: or having language for those experiences and being able to say, hey,

782
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: this was not okay. And as a child, you know

783
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 1: it's not right, but you're not actually in a position

784
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: to be able to advocate for yourself because you're a child.

785
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: And so what that does to a child is, UM,

786
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: it actually makes it really challenging or incapacitates them in

787
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: certain ways to be able to self actualized. And so UM,

788
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: we're supposed to have our human needs met through the

789
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: folks who take care of us and UM, and that

790
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: starts at a at a basic level when you're born. UM.

791
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: An infant learns within the first few hours of life

792
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: whether or not the world is a safe place. And

793
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: it learns that, UM primarily through connection. If there is

794
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: a buffering adult presence, like it's mother or a birthing person,

795
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: or you know, a family member who's holding them that

796
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: is how a baby knows that it's safe. Um, we

797
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: are hardwired for connection. We cannot survive individually. So this

798
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: idea of rugged individualism, and you know, training your children

799
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: to be independent, they're not independent, their interdependent beings. They

800
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: are social beings. They depend on you. That's where they're

801
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: called dependence. Um, they depend on you. And and there's

802
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 1: no amount of um of like you know, I guess like, um,

803
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what to even call this training. I

804
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: guess that will unhook this primal need and actually make

805
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: them be somehow self sufficient. So they're not designed to

806
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: be that way. And so some of the things that

807
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: we can stop doing now right and stop repeating now

808
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: that I'm really I would love a lot of parents

809
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: to interrogate because of sort of how we've been raised

810
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: and things that we've been embodied. So in our community specifically,

811
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 1: there's this whole idea about spoiling your children. Oh, don't

812
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: pick up the baby, you'll spoil it. Don't do this right.

813
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: And what I can say is that you cannot spoil

814
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: a child. You cannot spoil a child. What you can

815
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: do is is prime them with emotional intelligence and with

816
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: self confidence. You can prime them with a sense of

817
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 1: connection and community. You can help them to UH neurologically

818
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: develop through connection and through touch. UM you can help

819
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: them to understand what positive um stress looks like versus

820
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: toxic stress. You can help them to also develop their

821
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: capacity to heal UM and you can also help to

822
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: heal the genetic blueprint of your own lineage through raising

823
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: through from birth, from pregnancy, right so so because the

824
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: wound was the first environment, right, so, from pregnancy, through

825
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: birth and the childhood period, you can change the legacy.

826
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: You do not have to do it how it was

827
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: done to you. You not have to spank or leave

828
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 1: your kid in a container or whatever. You can wear

829
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: your baby, you can hold your baby, you can nurse

830
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: your baby or bottle feet or whatever you're doing. But

831
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: you can you can support this human being that's dependent

832
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: upon you. I always teach that UM. You know, it's

833
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: like ten months, really ten moons of intributor ingestations, So

834
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: ten moons inside the body and ten moons on onto

835
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: the body outside the body, onto the body, right, and

836
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: so this your chest becomes the external wound. Right the

837
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: breasts or this plate which can by the way, by temperature,

838
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: can adjust to heat and cool the baby as necessary. Right,

839
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: that becomes the external wound to look after the baby

840
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: for the next ten months, because as we know, they

841
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: don't start really being able to move around. They start

842
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: walking kind of ten eleven, twelve months, their teen months,

843
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: but before ten months they really need to be held.

844
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: And so we we have to kind of orient ourselves

845
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: around the fact that this is how community was designed, right,

846
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: so to care for the children, and that, by the way,

847
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't just solely on the mom or on the women.

848
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: It was actually an intra community experience and men will

849
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: were also caregivers. And um, it's also very interesting to

850
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: note that we have science for that to show that

851
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: like even fathers or partners, right if um, if you

852
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: have a male partner, for instance, um, his testosterone levels

853
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: drop significantly, right, but at least thirty five sometimes fort

854
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: towards the end of a pregnancy to start to accommodate

855
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: the ability to caregive. And yeah, and actually he develops estrogen.

856
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: M estrogen, estrogen, estrogen, he develops estrogen. So these things

857
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: are because caregiving is in all of our capacity. So

858
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: I would I would remember at like we all can

859
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 1: bring something to the lives of these little ones, whether

860
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: you're a parent, whether you're somebody who's going to co parent, adopt,

861
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: whether you're someone who's just in the life of children,

862
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: that we have to treat them humanely. We cannot treat

863
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: them like their property. They're on loan to us. They're

864
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: on loan to us, right, and so we need to

865
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: we need to take care of them and understand that

866
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: children are our guides, you know. I see my son

867
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: is like somebody. I just hold his hand and I'm like,

868
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: you know, just there to gently guide as we cross

869
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 1: the river together. And I'm like, okay, watch your step

870
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: and I'm not here to pull him this way or

871
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: that way or tell him where to go, but to

872
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: just listen and and nurture and love and protect. And

873
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: they have to know that you're safe. They have to

874
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: know that you're a safe space. Because if we develop

875
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: a relationship whereby um, we dictate that we're a power,

876
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, force in their life, and that you know,

877
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: um um, we're like a punitive you know force in

878
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: their life, we model the systems that actually keep us

879
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: from being free. And so we don't want to police

880
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: our children. We don't want them to feel unsafe in

881
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: the world. We don't want them to feel unsafe in

882
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: the home. And we don't want to model white supremacist

883
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 1: patriarchy in our homes by touching them and appropriately by

884
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: hitting them, by by punishing them in ways that are

885
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: not constructive and um. And we don't certainly want to

886
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: make them feel like they have, like they're confined. And

887
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: so children have to be able to feel like they

888
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: can live into possibility that they can imagine and um.

889
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: One of the biggest disservices that happens to our children

890
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: is that like that capacity for imagination and for possibility

891
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: and who they can become gets squandered and gets shut

892
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: down because of adults that don't realize how impactful there

893
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: were and their actions are. And so we just have

894
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: to be so mindful and um. You know this is

895
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: on the heels of of debby being a part of

896
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: roll Mental Health Day and UM and doing a lot

897
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: of work around this this exact topic. It's important to

898
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: do your your work and you know, seek out license

899
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 1: mental health support before the baby arrives, before you even

900
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: if you can do this before you're thinking about getting pregnant,

901
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: like really go through your life and really assess where

902
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: you need to heal the mother wound, where you need

903
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: to heal other aspects of childhood where you need to

904
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: address like issues with your father or other people in

905
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: your life and UM. And then also the biggest piece

906
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: for me that has been so important is you know,

907
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: like lean into your practices that help you to build resilience,

908
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: that help you to UM. You know, like I think

909
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: about somatic healing is a big piece of how we

910
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: get on the other side, because the wounds that we

911
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: have are not that not things that just were talked through, Like,

912
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: these are things that happened and and live in ourselves

913
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: and our tissues. And like they say that issues are

914
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: in your tissues, right, if we can bring those issues

915
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: to surface and find the practices that work for you.

916
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: If it's twerking, if it's if it's singing, if it's right,

917
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: like I think it's working in health care practice right,

918
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: like whatever it is right, like move your body moving

919
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: through you saying meditate, like do what you need to

920
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: do to move stuff through you. Also, and know that

921
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: those practices that we have ancestrally can help us to UM.

922
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: So you don't have to just go to a license

923
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: mental health provider. I think it's important to distinguish that

924
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: um Mental health providers help us to process right. They

925
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: help us to process, contextualize, And the only way to

926
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: heal is to like actually work through the body. The

927
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: body is a conduit for healing. So find your healing

928
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: practices that that resonate for you, find the people who

929
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: resonate for you, and and make sure that once these

930
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: children arrived, that you maintain those practices and that you

931
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: bring in the support systems that you need to help

932
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: me maintain those practices. This is why doula work is

933
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: so important, because we can help bridge those gaps for

934
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: people too. But this is critical for us to do

935
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: because it's not fair when when children come and and

936
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: they leave these lives where they they could have had

937
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: more right, Like a lot of us can think back

938
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: to things that we probably like I think about stumbling blocks,

939
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: right that I just would have avoided had I been

940
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: held a certain way, right, And so we we all

941
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: deserve that. So if we can do the work, and

942
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: I love the question because if we can do the work,

943
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: I think it's amazing. Most of us just find ourselves.

944
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: I found myself pregnant, like we didn't plan it, but

945
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: Messa was definitely wanted, but it wasn't like I had

946
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: all this time to like really map it all out.

947
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: But what I will say is you have freaking forty weeks.

948
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: It's ten months, right, So even if you find yourself pregnant,

949
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: you have ten months to really like hook in and

950
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: decide like how you want to show up to the

951
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: experience and who you want to become. On the other side, Rocking,

952
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: that was such a powerful, full answer, and there is

953
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: wow to further echo everything that you said. Um, some

954
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: questions popped up in my mind that those listening that

955
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: are really really resonating with what we're speaking to. I

956
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: have three journal prompts that you may enjoy everyone. UM,

957
01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: I gotta pens. I'm ready and I'm thinking, I'm thinking

958
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: for for this, for these prompts, for this soul work.

959
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: You know this can us in service even if you

960
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: are not a parent and have no plans to be

961
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: to nourish, nurturing and reparenting your own self. UM, we

962
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: don't on a human cognitive level choose our circumstance. On

963
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: a spiritual level, I very much believe we do, um,

964
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: but we are in charge of our healing. And I

965
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: think sometimes what keeps us from our healing, especially in

966
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: deeper trauma, is we think that to acknowledge it means

967
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: that we're taking responsibility for it, for the things that happened,

968
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: for the things that we didn't want to know. And

969
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: so I just want to express to everyone listening as

970
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: I unload these questions, as you really kind of unpack

971
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: the depth of wisdom that Latham just shared with you.

972
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: Um and you can revisit this episode, pause, rewind, send it,

973
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: but really think whether these questions are relive it to

974
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: you for your reparenting journey, or these are things to

975
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: just really start leaning into. And you don't have to

976
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: do it perfectly. Generally doesn't have to be done dear

977
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: diary style. It can be bullet point, may be one word,

978
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: it can be you know, just all the things out.

979
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: But when you think about how you were parented, the

980
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,919
Speaker 1: first journal prompt would be I want you to sit

981
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: and think what did I need? What did I need?

982
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: And start writing that down slowly, And you don't have

983
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: to do it all at once, come back to it

984
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: over a week, over a couple of weeks, But what

985
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: did I need? At a deeper deeper level than maybe

986
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: just the shoes. But if that was a need, if

987
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: that was a neglecting in your life, write that down.

988
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: What did I need? The second question, to just sit

989
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: with an experience, would be what did I deserve? M?

990
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: What did I deserve? What did deserve to know? What

991
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: did I deserve to have access to? What did I

992
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: deserve to feel? Because you are a worthy being now

993
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: in this moment, irregardless of life circumstances, what I deserve

994
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: mm hmm. And then the third question, and this one

995
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: go gently, but keep going. What hurt me? M M?

996
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: What hurt me? What did I experience in my life

997
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 1: that hurt me? And there's no hierarchy to pain, So

998
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: even if you did not, you know, experience physical abuse,

999
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: there are other things that hurt you. Right, was there

1000
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: a time that you weren't fully seen where you were

1001
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: excited and passionate about something and it wasn't noticed? You

1002
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: know what hurt you? And then as you spend time

1003
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: with this over a period of time, and I want

1004
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: you to keep these pages everyone whatever you journal too,

1005
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,439
Speaker 1: and you can really track your progress as you work

1006
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: through these thoughts, you get the opportunity to reverse engineer

1007
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: a childhood, for the person, for the human being, for

1008
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: the soul that you bring forward. This is how you

1009
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: find the quote unquote better way to do it. This

1010
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: is how you find your power. This is how you

1011
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: find the ability to show up in a way that

1012
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: was not modeled for you. Yeah. Yeah, So spend time

1013
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: with that everyone, if it feels like it resonates late them.

1014
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: I am so grateful for your time today. Thank you

1015
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: for your life, thank you for all that you do

1016
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,439
Speaker 1: in the world, thank you for your wisdom, and thank

1017
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: you for sharing this space with me. Debby. I'm still

1018
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: on the reflections. I'm still sitting with the reflections, and

1019
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: I know that those listening are sitting with those action still. UM.

1020
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: I mean I could visualize something like not even just

1021
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: you know in my mind think through the words that came,

1022
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: but I could see instances in my life, right, especially

1023
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: for the last one, I could see an instance in

1024
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: my life. And and so I just wanna underscore the

1025
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: power of the prompts and the invitation, right like to

1026
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: be in a space with UM a guide. I mean,

1027
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: this is like having your own you know vision dula

1028
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: here through dervy to UM you know, surface for yourself

1029
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: what it is that that you need to reveal, but

1030
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: also what it is that you need to he ll,

1031
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: what is it you need to become. And so it's

1032
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: such a blessing to first of all to be in

1033
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: community with you, but also to see the delicate nature

1034
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: in which you are handling those UM approaching this space.

1035
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: Because the entry point has to be UM, you have

1036
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: to approach it with such precision but also with such gentleness,

1037
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: right and and that is what you're getting here, is

1038
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: like the tenderness and the love and the and the

1039
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: precision in in like knowing exactly where to direct that

1040
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: questioning for us to be in relationship with ourselves, you know,

1041
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: with with our stories, with our bodies, um and and

1042
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: for the purpose of like growth, right Like. I think

1043
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: it's such a blessing, you know, to be able to

1044
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: be UM, you have to be able to be held

1045
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: in that way, you know, And so I just gave thanks.

1046
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: I think, you know, there's there's so many spaces that

1047
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: y'all could be listening and being, but UM, I think

1048
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: that every opportunity that I've had to be in community

1049
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: or sheer space or just witness how Debbie shows up,

1050
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: it's always in a way where UM, she's carrying you UM,

1051
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: you know and with the intention of you know, making

1052
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: sure that when she places you down gently, that you're

1053
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: better off and UM. And so I thank you for

1054
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: holding and having the capacity to hold and um and

1055
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: for being a powerful skate space keeper and wisdom keeper

1056
01:07:54,680 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: and mother and healer and diviner. Um. I'm priest is

1057
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: you know like you bring so much magic and you

1058
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: model also what we need to see more of in

1059
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: the world. And so I give thanks for you. UM.

1060
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: I asked that you continue to be blessed and UM,

1061
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: that you and your family continue to thrive, and that

1062
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: you're continuously feeling supported and fortified to shine your light

1063
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: with evanescent warmth to have the impact of healing. And

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Speaker 1: I thank you for the opportunity to be in community

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Speaker 1: with you and be witnessed by you through your lens.

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Speaker 1: And just thank you again for the beautiful um, just

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Speaker 1: the beautiful wave that we were able to ride today

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Speaker 1: and and um and also to allow me to be

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Speaker 1: a part of the prompting because those are questions that

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Speaker 1: we can never we can never ask ourselves enough right

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Speaker 1: and in certain days, like DEVI said, you can come

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Speaker 1: back and you'll find that you can bring something else up.

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Speaker 1: But everything that comes up and everything that we can

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Speaker 1: feel can can help us. He also, I'm so thankful

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Speaker 1: to you. Thank you. Thank I'm so thankful God. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for the way you just spoke over my life.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for seeing me, thank you for reflecting that

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Speaker 1: back to me. M m mm hmm. God help me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. I love you, love you.

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Speaker 1: I know me too. I can't wait. I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: don't even know what it means to say like seeing

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Speaker 1: people soon, because what is this? What is life right now? Like?

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Speaker 1: What is life right? We're like, you know, it's i'll

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Speaker 1: see you, but you know what it's us do. It's

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Speaker 1: like when we say okay, yeah, i'll see you like now,

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Speaker 1: it like really makes us think about like the moments

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Speaker 1: that we still took for granted with being outside and

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Speaker 1: seeing somebody like i'll see you next week or I'll

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Speaker 1: go i'll see you at the next event or now

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Speaker 1: it's like wow, right, like you know where it's not

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Speaker 1: just the zoom, it's like no, people want to like

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Speaker 1: see people and be you with people and touch their

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Speaker 1: hands and feel their pulse and feel their warmth. And

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Speaker 1: and yeah, so I can't wait for us to do

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Speaker 1: that and just like hug it up, thug it out

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Speaker 1: in the street with tears, hugging. Next time you're in

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Speaker 1: l A or I'm in New York, we have a

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Speaker 1: hug appointment. We are. That's exactly right, shine in somebody's courtyard,

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Speaker 1: just like that's exactly right. Amen to that. No, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you everyone. Please share this episode with

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Speaker 1: a friend, Share this with the mama, Share this with

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Speaker 1: your mama. Uh, um, send this onward, and please connect

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Speaker 1: to all of Latham's powerful work, especially uh there is

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Speaker 1: an amazing interview that she did with the Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: that I really love that was about preserving joy, self

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Speaker 1: care and really holistic wellness. Look that up. Need to

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Speaker 1: watch it, um. And just I mean the books that

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Speaker 1: the instagram, Latham, Thomas ah, all the things, all the things.

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Speaker 1: Thank you everyone for listening. I must stay uh this episode,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, uh so amazing. Thank you Latham. And

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure everyone that feels called has

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to connect with the big event that Latham

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Speaker 1: is doing on October. So if you're hearing this episode

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Speaker 1: October one, te one, Latham is hosting the DULA Expo

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Speaker 1: by Mama Glow. They gather birth workers, Dula's brands, partners

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Speaker 1: and supporters under one roof for a day of inspired learning, community,

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Speaker 1: personal growth, workforce development, economic empowerment, authentic connection and business building.

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Speaker 1: This is the Dulah Expo by Mama Glow. So if

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Speaker 1: you are a mom, if you are a Dulah, if

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Speaker 1: you are a birth worker, if you are a healer,

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Speaker 1: or if you're somebody that is curious, intrigued, or feeling

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Speaker 1: called to this work, whether for self expiration or as

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Speaker 1: part of your purpose dharmaic path, highly highly recommend checking

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Speaker 1: it out. It's gonna be happening in October, tending m

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Speaker 1: to six pm. So a nice, really full day of immersion,

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Speaker 1: of learning, of growing, and it will be taking place

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Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, New York. Brooklyn, New York, Brooklyn, New York

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Speaker 1: Doula Expo by Mama Glow. So you can head to

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Speaker 1: the website universe dot com, forward slash Events, Forward Slash

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Speaker 1: DULA Expo. You might need to do a little plane

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Speaker 1: around with that link, but I'll also provide the link

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Speaker 1: in the bio of this podcast episode so you'll be

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Speaker 1: able to check that out right on your phone and

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Speaker 1: highly recommend checking that out. Please share this episode if

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Speaker 1: there's a friend you feel called um to connect with

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Speaker 1: themselves in this way, to connect with their children, to

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Speaker 1: connect with their mothers, to connect with themselves in their

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Speaker 1: own body. Share it vig, thank you, Biglove, Noma, stay Hey.

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Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram, or go to my website Debbie Brown

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