1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: If you want Colts talk all year long, you're in 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: the right place. 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: Caught over the medal. Michael Pittman Junior. There we go, 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: he's at the forty. 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 3: He's at the thirty slipte of the tackle. 6 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: Twenty ten five touch down. 7 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 4: Michael Pittman Junior. 8 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 3: Takes it seventy five yards to the house, big one 9 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 3: angling left, forty, He's at the thirty Dellan. 10 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 4: Here's not like twenty fifty ten five. 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 5: Touchdownn Jonathan Taylor take forty nine yard galloped top Petert. 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: In the Indiana Union Construction Industry radio studio. Let's get 13 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 2: the podcast started. 14 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 4: My name is Jeffrey Gorman, Matt Taylor, JJ Stankowitz from 15 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 4: colds dot Com. Matt Taylor, Voice of the Golts guys, 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 4: I have a question before we go over the draft 17 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 4: call of Chris Ballard. When it comes to mock drafts, JJ, 18 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 4: we follow you online, we follow you on Colts dot 19 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 4: Com and everything, and you give a weekly thing what 20 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 4: these experts think about draft, and I eat it up. 21 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 4: I don't know about you, guys, but I eat those 22 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 4: up in the off season and then the draft comes 23 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 4: out and then you kind of compare a little bit. 24 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 4: And then there's the draft grades. What are we doing? 25 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: There's my question your rates? 26 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 4: What are we doing? I mean unless you're drafting, Hey, 27 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 4: is it just on a positional need? Or are they 28 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 4: adding depth or what they think? I know it's one 29 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 4: man or one woman's opinion, but shouldn't we do this 30 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 4: three years after the draft? Like after this draft regals? Hey, 31 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 4: let's pay Yeah, let's grade that draft. Like I'm serious 32 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 4: about my can anybody do that? 33 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 5: You can? 34 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: You can grade? I think you can grade process with this, 35 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 2: Like what what's your process mindset? Yeah? Like are you 36 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: are you trading up for guys? Are you trading back 37 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: and accumulating more picks like we saw the Colts do again, 38 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: are you quote unquote reaching for someone? But even then, like, 39 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: once you get out of the first eight picks seven 40 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: maybe seven picks this year, uh, you're like, what's a reach? 41 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 4: Right? 42 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: Like if you have a guy high on your board, 43 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: who cares? If you know, CBS Sports has him twenty 44 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 2: second and you take him eighteenth, it's not a reach, 45 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: like you know. And I had some friends text to 46 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: me specifically about our third round pick, Matt Gonzalvez, who like, well, 47 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: Dan Brugler had him as a fifth round pick. Why'd 48 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: he take him in the third Because once you get 49 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 2: past your top forty players, everyone's board is going to 50 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: be all over the place. That's how you have a 51 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: guy who could have a a fourth round grade falling 52 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: to the seventh. I remember, like when I when I 53 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 2: was in Chicago, this happened where they drafted a wide receiver. 54 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: It's Calvin Ridley's brother Riley, and he was like, oh, 55 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 2: heit a second round grade by a bunch of people, 56 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 2: and he followed out of all the way to the 57 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: fourth round. He didn't really amount to anything. It's like, oh, 58 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: Bear's got a steal in the fourth round. Like this 59 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: happens where everyone's and vice versa, vice versa, right, and 60 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: everyone's draft board is all over the place. But I mean, 61 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 2: you're right, like we should be looking back at the 62 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 2: twenty twenty twenty one class. 63 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 4: But I still eat it up. I don't know about 64 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 4: you guys, but I'm like what they give us? 65 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: Ye like Poka Nakua, Yeah. 66 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, right. 67 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: Think just because Matt Gunzalvis was a projected fifth round 68 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 3: pick doesn't mean the Colts really covet the way that 69 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 3: he plays. The way that he can factor into the 70 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: the future of this offensive line with his position flexibility 71 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 3: and his height and his speed and things like that, 72 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: and the way that he tests. So yeah, I think 73 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 3: it's about process. I think it's about roster construction too. 74 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 3: When you talk about draft grades, this team gets an A, 75 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 3: this team gets a D. Well, you know, you look 76 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 3: at what the Falcons did obviously in the top of 77 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 3: the draft with Michael PENNOCKX junior and that's a little 78 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: head scratching because you already have a quarterback. So I 79 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: think that kind of factors into these grades and the 80 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: way that that people try to assess the draft immediately after. 81 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 3: It's like what do you have now versus what you 82 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: brought in and what are you what are going to 83 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 3: be your needs two three years down the road. 84 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: I remember I remember reading draft grades in twenty twenty 85 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: when the Packers drafted Jordan Love, it was like, what 86 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: a stupid pick? They need a wide receiver. Turns out 87 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: Aaron Rudgers went not one back to back MVPs. Then 88 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: they flipped to Jordan Love, and all of a sudden, 89 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: they still have the best quarterback in the division right right. 90 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 4: Incredible in a playoff team. How about that? Hey, that's 91 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 4: JJ stank If it's again Matt Taylor, voice of the Colts. 92 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 4: These guys were all over the draft and coming up 93 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 4: we're gonna hear from Ikaika molloy, who is the UCLA 94 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 4: defensive coordinator and Leaatu Latu's position coach at Washington and UCLA, 95 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 4: which I can't wait to get at. But let's talk 96 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 4: about the player first. 97 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: Here. 98 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 4: I'll start with you, JJ, what sort of production does 99 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 4: this guy come in the first year? And also, Matt, 100 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 4: I want you to touch on something about as far 101 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 4: as who takes a spell or you know what I'm saying, 102 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 4: like who's odd man out in that room when it 103 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 4: comes to it. But JJ, overall, we talked about mock 104 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 4: drafts earlier. I don't know that I saw one person 105 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 4: out there. There may have been one that had him 106 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 4: falling to where the cults were picking and grabbing Lattu. 107 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: They So there are five mock drafts we had out 108 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: of one hundred and thirty something that had the Colts 109 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: drafting layout Tu Lato wow. So shout out to those five. 110 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 2: The most recent was Tom Fornellie with CBS Sports. Shout 111 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: out to Tom Big White Sox fan. Sorry, but so 112 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: the expectation I want to set for law too is 113 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: he's a very polished pass rusher. He's coming in with 114 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: a He's twenty three and a half sacks over the 115 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: last two years. He dominated the competition. His pass rush 116 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: win rate in college was like over twenty five percent, 117 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: so essentially one in every four snaps. He was just 118 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: beating the guy in front of him. That's really high. 119 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 2: But last year, you look at the first edge rusher 120 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: who came off the board was Will Anderson junior, similar 121 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 2: in that he was a polished guy coming out of Alabama. 122 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 2: He had seven sacks and he had a good year. 123 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: He won Defensive Rookie of the Year. I think you're 124 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: looking at if lat two's in that range of six 125 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: to eight nine sacks, but he's getting pressure, he's getting 126 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 2: consistent pressure. That is a really good rookie season. There 127 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: have only been eight rookies since twenty ten to have 128 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 2: double digit sacks in their first year in the NFL, 129 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: so it's pretty rare for someone to come out like 130 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: a Micah Parsons and have the kind of impact that 131 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 2: he had. If he has a Will Anderson level season, 132 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: in year one. That is a home run that you 133 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: just hit in the first round. 134 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 3: And I think as far as it translates, Jeffer in 135 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 3: terms of playing time, I think the Colts believe that 136 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 3: this could be. And I know there's high expectations upon 137 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 3: a rookie in a first year player, and I get that. 138 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: But stepping into the mindset of this pick and why 139 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 3: the Colts pulled this trigger is that I think they 140 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 3: believe that this is the missing piece to their pass rush. 141 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 3: You know, the pass rush the last two years has 142 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: been really good, specifically last year with the fifty one 143 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 3: sacks and setting a franchise record and things like that. 144 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: But your top five and overall sacks, but I don't 145 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: have the number in front of me. Perhaps you can 146 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 3: help me out feel that filling the gaps here, but 147 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 3: I think the Colts last year they were really good 148 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 3: in the sack number total, but I think they were 149 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 3: down the twenties in terms of overall pressure rate correct, 150 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: So they can get better, they can improve in that, 151 00:06:59,000 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 3: and that's all situation. 152 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: Again. 153 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 3: It goes back to what we talked about last week. 154 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 3: I mean, Jeffrey, there was that that that Week eighteen game, 155 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: that winning your in game against the Houston Texans and 156 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: c J. Stroud was sacked twice, only hit three times. 157 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 3: He had a lot of time last year to use 158 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: that precise, you know, accuracy and just had a really 159 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: good game against the Colts. That's what they're trying to 160 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: fix with this pick. They think that you know, Leatu 161 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: Latu can be that guy eventually, hopefully by the middle 162 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: of the of next season or certainly towards the end 163 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 3: of next season, that in high leverage situations, crunch time, 164 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 3: fourth quarter, when you got to get pressure on the quarterback, 165 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 3: that he's the guy that can, to JJ's point, just 166 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: win beat the guy across from him with his you know, sophistication. 167 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: He's got a variety of pass rush moves, already a 168 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 3: very refined player. They think this guy can be that 169 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: guy like a Bosa or a TJ. Watt that you know, 170 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 3: he's the best player on the other teams, you know, 171 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 3: front seven. He's still going to win in high leverage situations. 172 00:07:58,880 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: That's what the Colts are hoping. 173 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 4: Four within this pick, he plays with the reckless abandon 174 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 4: and I want to ask you both this, did you 175 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 4: find something out about this guy by talking to kai 176 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 4: Ki Maloy, who is its defensive coordinator that you didn't 177 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 4: know before you sat down with them. We're gonna get 178 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 4: to that in a second, well real quick. 179 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: Just to back up Mate's point on the sacks. Last year, 180 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: Culture fourth in the NFL and sacks they are twenty 181 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: seventh in total pressures in twenty eighth and pressure rate. 182 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: There you go. 183 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: So you're hitting home. That's great, but you know it's 184 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: sort of like you're kind of like. 185 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: Those big moments where are you? 186 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: You're kind of having like a like a Mark Trumbo 187 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 2: love season? What it Trum and Adam Dune Yeah, thank 188 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: you and Adam dun type season. A lot of the nuns, 189 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: not a lot of singles. 190 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, the big donkey were trying to avoid the big donkeys. 191 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: We are move We are moving on to baseball here. 192 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: Yike's okay, give me out of that mode. Anyways, what 193 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: we learned about Leotu from that chat we had with 194 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: the kai Ka Maloy, He's such a like a kid 195 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: who is so self motivated. He doesn't need anyone to 196 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 2: tell him what he needs to do. And I think 197 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: that plays so well within an NFL locker room. And 198 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: I made this point in the ten Colts things I 199 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: did wrapping up the NFL Draft, that you're dropping him 200 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: into a defensive line room that's led by DeForest Buckner, 201 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: a guy who has not missed a game due to 202 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: injury since his rookie year. Guys here, you know, he's 203 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: the leader of the breakfast club. They call him where 204 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 2: he's in at six am. He's the first guy in 205 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 2: the building to lift. And then the other leader in 206 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: that room is Taekwon Lewis, a guy who, similar ish 207 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: to Layoutu Latu, has over had to overcome some significant 208 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: adversity injury related in his career. I mean, Taekwon Lewis 209 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: is a guy blew out both his kneecaps in consecutive years, 210 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: almost a year apart to the day, and came back 211 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 2: and had an outstanding season in twenty twenty three. Like 212 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: that perseverance aspect of it, I think lot too fits 213 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: in really well. He's a guy who and he's also, 214 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 2: by the way, he's been training with Quitdi Pavis offseason 215 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 2: with the defensive line kind of personal coach, so he's 216 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: already got a feel for what the room is like. 217 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: And it's I think just overall, you're looking at a 218 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: guy who's a really good fit there. 219 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: Well, you know me and analogies. I like to dumb 220 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 3: it down for the commons, sure, like. I think his 221 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 3: story is so unique in that, to JJ's point, football 222 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 3: was taken away from him for two years, in that 223 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 3: the Washington doctors and trainers, they wouldn't medically clear him 224 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 3: even though he said, I feel fine, I don't. I don't, 225 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 3: I'm not in pain. I still feel like I can play. 226 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 3: So credit to him for just the relentless relentlessness to 227 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: take it upon himself to get himself back to football 228 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 3: by you know, seeking out other doctors and second opinions, 229 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 3: and you know coach Maloy had a huge. 230 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: Hand in that. But you know, one of my favorite things. 231 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: I love football, right, but I was never a high 232 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 3: level player like Leatu latu uh, you know, in in 233 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: Power five Division one football. But one of my favorite 234 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 3: things in life is music. Try someone telling you that 235 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 3: you can't listen to your favorite song for any music 236 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 3: at all, right for two years, and then you come 237 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 3: back and all of a sudden, somebody gives you a 238 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 3: brand new iPod or a phone full of your favorite classics. 239 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't stop listening to music. 240 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 3: For five years after, right, right, And I think that's 241 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 3: what this is with LA two and his love for 242 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 3: football and how he is not taking anything for granted 243 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 3: now and is gonna take this opportunity and maximize it to. 244 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 4: Its good analogy. 245 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 2: I'll take that. 246 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 4: I like that you threw it on music better than 247 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 4: Mark Trumbo. Yeah, a little bit better than the Trumbo thing. 248 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 4: But hey, we're you're gonna love this player on the field, 249 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 4: you're gonna love this player off the field. And that's 250 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 4: the number one pick Layatu Lato and these two caught 251 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 4: up recently with his UCLA defensive coordinator, his Washington defensive coordinator. Yeah, 252 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 4: and a guy who's got a big influence on his 253 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 4: life and his name once again, I Kaik Maloy. Here's 254 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 4: JJ and Matt Taylor, I kaik Malloyd that we're gonna 255 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 4: find out even more about Layatu after this. 256 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 3: It's a good one joining us now on the Official 257 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: Colts podcast. The defensive coordinator at UCLA that would be 258 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 3: Ikaika Moloy, and he, of course is a huge father 259 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: figure to Colt's first round draft pickleat to a coach, 260 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: thanks so much for your time. I know you're hard 261 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 3: pressed for it. You're still going through spring practices there 262 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 3: on the West Coast. I just got to ask you, 263 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 3: what were your first initial reactions to seeing not only 264 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 3: a lot to be drafted by the Colts with the fifteenth, 265 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: fifteenth overall pick, but in fact he is the first 266 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 3: defensive player off the board here in twenty twenty four. 267 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, for me, that was actually a proud parent moment. 268 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 5: And I actually cried in the green room because late, 269 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 5: like you mentioned, not just getting drafted, but getting drafted 270 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 5: as the first defensive player off the board, and it just, 271 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 5: you know, in the green room, the mom and I 272 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 5: were just talking about we're reflecting back, We're talking about 273 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 5: the recruitment of lieout to back at University of Washington, 274 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 5: and we're kind of going through that store and we 275 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 5: talked about his journey and now we're here and he 276 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 5: possibly could be drafted in the first round, and then 277 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 5: that happened. I mean that I was shocked, for sure. 278 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 5: I'm sure he wasn't. He looked like he was ready 279 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 5: to go no matter what Picky was. But that was 280 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 5: definitely a blessing for him and his family. But it 281 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 5: was a blessing for me as well, just being, like 282 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 5: I said, like a mentor towards him. 283 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,599 Speaker 2: I was a pro parent, yea, Kaka. I want to 284 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,599 Speaker 2: get into that period at Washington where you were. You 285 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 2: were there with Leatu, where he was medically retired, and 286 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 2: he something he mentioned in his press conference here in 287 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 2: Indy was that you told him, Hey, go do whatever 288 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: you need to do to continue this dream of trying 289 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 2: to play football. What do you remember about those days, 290 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: you know, how his mentality was, what his mindset was, 291 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 2: and then the early days of him setting out to 292 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: work at his craft even though he didn't have a 293 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: clear path to playing football ever again. 294 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, so at Washington it was tough because you know, 295 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 5: you're talking to our eighteen year old, nineteen year old 296 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 5: kid that was just told you can no longer do 297 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 5: your dream anymore, you know. And so that was it 298 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 5: was many days in the offense of crying together, we're 299 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 5: kind of starting our own Bible study. I was at 300 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 5: the time really trying to get him geared up to 301 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 5: visit with the Seattle Fire Department because that was his 302 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 5: next love when he actually retired from football. So I 303 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 5: was trying to at least give him a positive, moving 304 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 5: forward type game plan. 305 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: But he was set on it. 306 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 5: He was like, Coach, I am going to play again. 307 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 5: He actually went so far to to proof he could play. 308 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 5: He was playing rugby on the side. So while we 309 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 5: at University of Washington said he's medically retired, he was 310 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 5: sending videos like coach, look, I can hit without pads, 311 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 5: so you know, just give me a shot. And then 312 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 5: as the story goes, you know, I gotta go at UCLA, 313 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 5: I mean at Washington and then join UCLA. But myself, 314 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 5: Mom and laughter were still searching the country for just 315 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 5: one doctor, one doctor to give him a chance. You know, 316 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 5: we went with him to Seahawks, they said no. There 317 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 5: was a player from Georgia that had the exact same injury, 318 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 5: went to the NFL. That particular doctor said no. And 319 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 5: then come fast forward, there's a doctor in California that 320 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 5: we found that said yes. So I immediately called coach 321 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 5: Kelly and I said, hey, do you mind checking with 322 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 5: our team doctor to see if they would accept this 323 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 5: clearance from layout to because I'm telling you, I think 324 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 5: he would change the program. And so I gave coach 325 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 5: Kelly the name, and Coach Kelly looked at me and said, 326 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 5: are you sure like you're serious about this name, I said, 327 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 5: I am, why do you know him? And said that's 328 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 5: our team doctor at and so right away I called 329 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 5: the parents and I called the mom and I said, hey, 330 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 5: I think we got a shot at this. We all 331 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 5: cried on the phone. Coach Kelly called, We got him 332 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 5: offered and and set to come to the UHL and 333 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 5: the rest was history. But like you mentioned, I mean 334 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 5: while I am trying to find a doctor to clear him, 335 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 5: he was working out, like when the players were not there, 336 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 5: he was in the weight room. Like the mentality that 337 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 5: that you guys have inherited in your in your program, 338 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 5: in your franchise, I think it'll be really, really contagious 339 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 5: because he, you know, his whole mantras is lived like 340 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 5: your last and he has a tattooed on him. That's 341 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 5: how he approaches the day. And you know, I always 342 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 5: tell this the people. Imagine if somebody told you you, 343 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 5: like for sure, this was going to be your last day, Like, 344 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 5: what is the mentality that you would approach that day. Well, 345 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 5: Leonta does that every single day when he comes to work. 346 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 5: He's always in that mode and is very contagious. But 347 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 5: I think that's why he's not surprised at where he's 348 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 5: at today. 349 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: Kind of a simple question, how did he get so 350 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: good without playing football? 351 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, he worked at it off the field. So we 352 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 5: had meetings started at seven to fifteen. The team meeting 353 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 5: started and there's like a fifteen minute window between the 354 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 5: team meeting and if it was off season off season workouts, 355 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 5: which he couldn't do, he ran to my office. You're like, 356 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 5: let's watch the film. He was studying for that moment 357 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 5: that when he gets it, he's going to take advantage of. 358 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 5: He's out in the workout. He cannot work out, So 359 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 5: he stood next to the team and he ran with 360 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 5: them like everything he could possibly we've told him not 361 00:16:59,400 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 5: to do. 362 00:16:59,680 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 4: He did. 363 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 5: You know he can't lift, Well, he did it when 364 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 5: nobody was around. He started doing light ways to you know. 365 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 5: So once he had that moment in his mind, he 366 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 5: was prepared to conquer that moment as opposed to feel 367 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 5: happy that he got to the moment. 368 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: Coach his game. 369 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 3: If we canna talk about him on the field, his 370 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 3: game is really refined. 371 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: He's got a full variety of pass rush moves. 372 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 3: I know you kind of already answered this to a degree, 373 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 3: But how much of that is on him and his 374 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 3: willingness to get better, in the drive to work out 375 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 3: on his own. How much is that on you and 376 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 3: the growth that you saw, you know, within the defense 377 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: at UCLA the last two years. 378 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 5: I think it's a little both. It's hard to take 379 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 5: credit for how talented he is and what he's done, 380 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 5: you know, the production he's created for himself. On one end, 381 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 5: you know, we would teach certain drills and certain aspects 382 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 5: of how we're going to attack a person, and then 383 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 5: he just took it to another extreme from film study 384 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 5: to being on Saturday. And the thing I always tell 385 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 5: fans is, you guys got a chance to appreciate his 386 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 5: pass rush in the fall. I had a chance to 387 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 5: appreciate his pass rush in January during Saturdays. On Saturdays, 388 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 5: he was out here on the field work in his craft, 389 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 5: like he would visualize going against one guard to one tackle. 390 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 5: And then when Coach Lynn was accordinated here, he allowed 391 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 5: us to create places in fronts that Laota could be 392 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 5: against what we thought at the time might have been 393 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 5: the mismatch against an offensive lineman. 394 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 3: You know. 395 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 5: So Laota went from not just learning how to pass rush, 396 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 5: but learning how to pass rush all the way across 397 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 5: the board, and sometimes he was a zero technique or 398 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 5: two I or a three technique, not always on the outside. 399 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 5: And because of it, he had to master different angles 400 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 5: in different ways to get home. And he took that 401 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 5: very seriously. 402 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: For Laatu to come off that stretch where he couldn't 403 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 2: play football and to have ten and a half sacks 404 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 2: that first year at UCLA, I know you saw that 405 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 2: in him, But what was the reaction around the program 406 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: when people were like, oh my golly, we got a 407 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: player here, Like how did that kind of go about? 408 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: As he started to make an impact to UCLA. 409 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, you can see the more sacks he started getting, 410 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 5: the more the program is like, well we might have 411 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 5: a real deal here. And you know, all along and said, well, 412 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 5: we thought we already had that at the University of Washington. 413 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 5: So you guys are experiencing what we kind of knew 414 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 5: and he knew it as well. 415 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 4: You know. 416 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 5: So as he started developing to become what we thought 417 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 5: was a pretty good pass rusher, then the scheme started 418 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 5: changing so we can put him in better positions that 419 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 5: he's always having a chance to pass rush. And you know, again, 420 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 5: I got to credit him for the stuff that he 421 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 5: has done in the off season to prepare in season 422 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 5: and what we have enjoyed in the fall. That's something 423 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 5: that he's mastered over the months leading up the fall. 424 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: I know you kind of touched on it in just 425 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: reflecting on when he was drafted this moment, But where 426 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: did where did the motive for him come from to 427 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,959 Speaker 2: keep going? And I mean he was told you're never 428 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 2: going to play football again. A lot of people would 429 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 2: have taken that at face value and said, Okay, I'm done. 430 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: But where did that motivation come from? And just how 431 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: impressive is it that he has now got to this 432 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 2: point where he's the fifteenth overall pick in the NFL draft. 433 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, really starting from his faith, you know, 434 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 5: he truly believed through God, God was going to put 435 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 5: him in the right position to get to where he's 436 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 5: going to go. Once he made that decision he was 437 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 5: going to play again no matter what his mom as 438 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 5: well as myself, we had to change our view as well, 439 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 5: Like we were no longer trying to make him feel 440 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 5: comfortable in the situation he was. If he wanted to 441 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 5: push then we had to be a part of it 442 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 5: and really jump on his bandwagon and his train as 443 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 5: opposed to us trying to lead him another direction. And 444 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 5: then from there I said, his mantra is lyl like 445 00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 5: your last. You can see there wasn't a minute of 446 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 5: a day that he wouldn't try to get better. 447 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 3: You know there was. 448 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 5: I'm saying this now because. 449 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: He's no longer here. 450 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 5: I don't think I'll get in trouble, but you know, 451 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 5: away from clothed at times, and he phoned the way 452 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 5: in on the weekends and he you know, we had 453 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 5: to lock the elevators because he kept trying to find 454 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 5: a way in on the on the holiday was send 455 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 5: the team home and his mom had to drive from 456 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 5: Sacramento to visit her own sons. He refused because that 457 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 5: Sacramento he didn't have the weight room, he didn't have 458 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 5: the football field, And like that was the mentality. People 459 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 5: are starting to figure out, like there is nothing that 460 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 5: is going to stop this kid from doing what his 461 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 5: dreams are set on. 462 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 3: Wow, So coach, you're you're telling me the calls drafted 463 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: a trespasser. 464 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: That's great, that's right here we go. Thanks a lot, coach. 465 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: Hey man, your your time is so valuable. I know 466 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: you got to run, so thank you so much. 467 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 3: But last one for me, can you talk about his 468 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 3: his relentlessness, his motor, his his hustle. How much of 469 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 3: his sack total, his tackle for loss total, his pressure 470 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 3: total is just because this guy, like you said, just 471 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 3: never quits. 472 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: He does not stop. 473 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I think I'll use I want to 474 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 5: say he used it in one of the podcasts or 475 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 5: YouTube or whatever it is. But Max Crosby comes to mind, 476 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 5: and the intensity he brings to the game, the energy 477 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 5: he brings in just a NonStop whether I'm getting blocked 478 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 5: or not, I'm gonna find it and will myself to 479 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 5: the ball. That is a great comparison to what you 480 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 5: guys have gotten in your franchise. Looto is a NonStop 481 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 5: player and he refuses to be stopped in order to 482 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 5: get to the ball. In practice here, he's actually the 483 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 5: one that kind of was the leader of it. No 484 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 5: matter what we did in practice, when that last play 485 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 5: was done, he would turn in sprint to the end zone, 486 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 5: and the whole defense by the end of the season 487 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 5: started sprinting with him and for him, his whole mindset 488 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 5: was the play won't stop until I get to the 489 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 5: end zone. Somehow, some way, you know. So I think 490 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 5: that's something that you guys will see over the course 491 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 5: over the year. But also well, you know, I call 492 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 5: him the artist. I really believe he's changed. He will 493 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 5: change the pastor's game like Aaron Donald did for the 494 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 5: defensive tackle spot. I think he will change the game 495 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 5: of pastors in terms of how he does it and 496 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 5: you know, just the you know, like I call him 497 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 5: the artist, just how detailed he's become in terms of 498 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 5: making something that could be very difficult right looks so easy. 499 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: Well, coach, I can't thank enough for your time. 500 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 3: Again, I know you're hard pressed for everything going on 501 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 3: there with practice still in full swing in the in 502 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 3: the spring on the West Coast. Congratulations to you, I mean, honestly, 503 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 3: congratulations to you and the role that you played in 504 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 3: Leatu's life and his football journey to get him drafted 505 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 3: by the Colts in the first round. 506 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 5: Very kind of you, guys, gentlemen. I appreciate that. And 507 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 5: congratulations to the Colts franchise as well. I promise you 508 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 5: you guys got the best here and you will. He 509 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 5: will add value to the franchise as well as from 510 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 5: coach Partri take take his coats are too hard. He 511 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,479 Speaker 5: will do everything that you guys ask of him. Right, gentlemen, 512 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 5: thank you so much for your time. I appreciate you 513 00:23:59,160 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 5: guys have me on. 514 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 4: Well is nicely done. JJ. I mean we're finding out 515 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 4: a lot about this young man. It's not there's a 516 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 4: lot everything about him that you love. And I'm talking 517 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 4: about just like seeing him as a football player, but 518 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 4: everything off the football player, the joy, the family, everything, 519 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 4: the luckiness. He feels like, Wow, I'm actually in the 520 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 4: NFL and everything. It's gonna be a great story and 521 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 4: a breath of fresh air around here. 522 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you know when you're just thinking about 523 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: him as a prospect, like he's the best edge rusher 524 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 2: in the draft. You know, you saw that clip at 525 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 2: Chris Ballard going around where he said, you know, we 526 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 2: just got the best f and edge rusher, Yeah, in 527 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: the draft, and he's just laughing. The reason why he 528 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 2: was available at fifteen is because of the neck issue 529 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 2: and the medical retirement. But once you learn the story 530 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 2: of it, of hey, he didn't agree with that, and 531 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 2: the pandemic plays a part in it where he doesn't 532 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 2: have a physical exam, and you know, it seemed kind 533 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: of like he got a raw deal. More so then 534 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: wonder like how that was even possible, right, yeah, I 535 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: even got here more so than this is like a 536 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 2: serious long term issue. And I mean some teams might 537 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: just you know, reflexively be scared off by that, which 538 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: I think is fair when. 539 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 4: You're universities too, can we throw that in there? Well 540 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 4: U C l A wasn't afraid of it. 541 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 2: Well well, and so this is a wild connection that 542 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 2: you know, Coach malloy got into about the you know, doctor, 543 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 2: doctor Robert Watkins and how he was the one who 544 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 2: cleared him and then he goes to Chip Kelly and 545 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 2: Chip Kelly's like, you know, that's our doctor. So just 546 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: you know, some serendipity included in it. But I understand 547 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: why teams would be scared off by it. But once 548 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 2: you really dig into it, if this does not seem 549 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 2: like something that is going to crop back up again, 550 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: I mean, he he said he was just gonna go 551 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: play rugby, like, okay, it's a pretty physical sport. But 552 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 2: he was okay doing that, So why not just keep 553 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 2: going put the with the helmet and pads. 554 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 4: On those rugby videos that are outsurfing. That's incredible. Shut up. 555 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 2: Shout out to Brent, Brent Hollywood and Meg Stall and 556 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: are so immediate right up going and like finding those 557 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 2: huddle highlights of him playing rugby, that was just. 558 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 4: Mowing the people down. I'm good, ridiculous, Oh, Mayde, You're 559 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 4: gonna have fun calling this young man as well. We 560 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 4: going to find out. I can't wait to find out 561 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,959 Speaker 4: what happens in rookie miniicamp coming up, and obviously OTA's 562 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 4: and then you know up at what happens at Westfield 563 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 4: at training camp. But this is a great one and 564 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 4: we're excited. Everybody around here and in the city is 565 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 4: excited for new blood, if you will, and new exciting players, 566 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 4: none bigger than this second rounder. May Te start with 567 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 4: you out of Texas, a big receiver, I know, a 568 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 4: conglomerate or a congregation or whatever. Of Colt's front office 569 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 4: staff and football operations went down to Texas saw this man, 570 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 4: ed Ni Mitchell face to face Xavier Worthy as well 571 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 4: down there when that pick came up, and you know 572 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 4: what this guy can bring to the table and he 573 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 4: was available where he was What was your first thought 574 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 4: on that? What he can do for this offense? 575 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 3: I first thought is I can't believe he's still there. 576 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 3: I can't believe the cults are trading back and still 577 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 3: being able to pick him up. So, you know, great 578 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 3: credit to Chris Ballard for the you know, the the 579 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 3: drafting gymnastics with that knowing not only you know, having 580 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 3: the foresight to see, okay, he's in the cluster of 581 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: the players, we're okay to get in the second round, 582 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 3: but also kind of knowing what the other teams radar 583 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 3: might be around him within that pick so great that 584 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 3: you're able to add two fifth round picks plus still 585 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 3: get ad Nai Mitchell. And you know, my second thought 586 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 3: is the guy's obviously a winner on the outside, which 587 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 3: is what this I think this draft was all about. 588 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 3: In terms of offense. You needed to address the playmaking 589 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 3: ability and get more explosive outside the numbers to compliment 590 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson and certainly what you already have between the 591 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 3: numbers with guys like Downs and Pittman. 592 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: In those tight ends. 593 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 3: So you know, I just I kind of echo what 594 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 3: Shane Steikin said after the draft and going back and 595 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 3: watching more tape on him, He's exactly right. This guy's 596 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 3: a winner. He's a clear separator at the top of 597 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 3: his route. He's a big play guy, right, averaged over 598 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 3: fifteen yards per catch. You know at Texas last year. 599 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 3: He's got clutch ability. I mean, we saw all the 600 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 3: touchdowns and those big moments in the College Football Playoff. 601 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 3: I didn't realize until I looked it up that he's 602 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 3: played in the college football playoffs every er year. 603 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: You know, two at Georgia, you know, and then one 604 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: at Texas. 605 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 2: And I throw a quick stat at one of the 606 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 2: national championships. I put this in my ten colts things. 607 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 2: But there's only one person in the history of the 608 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 2: College Football Playoff who is more receiving touchdowns than ad 609 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 2: and I Mitchell, who was five. It's Devanta Smith who 610 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 2: had eight. 611 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: Wow. 612 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 2: But the leader board I threw it in here, it's 613 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 2: DeVonta Smith who has eight, then eighty, Mitchell Hunter Renfro 614 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 2: remember at Clemson he caught all those touchdowns. They both 615 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 2: had five. Then Justin Jefferson at LSU he had four 616 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: and one game, and then Calvin Ridley at Alabama. So 617 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: a pretty good list to be on there. 618 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, successful list, right, all. 619 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 2: Those guys, by the way, I have had a thousand 620 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: yards in the NFL had a thousand yard season, right. 621 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 3: So, I mean, obviously, I think the headliner of this 622 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 3: pick is going to be the post Friday press conference 623 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 3: of Chris Ballard, you know, going on on that little bit, 624 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 3: he got a look excited obviously talking about no, no, no, 625 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 3: he got a little pissed off, there's no doubt, right, 626 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 3: so I know he felt he fell for whatever reason. 627 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 3: But the Colts obviously have no hesitations in. 628 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: That and doing their homework. 629 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 3: And you know, this is a first round draft pick 630 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 3: that they get in the middle to late of the 631 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 3: second round, and I think it addresses a huge need 632 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 3: and and and we'll see how much production he can 633 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 3: have outside the numbers, which the Colts I think desperately 634 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 3: needed in this dru. 635 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 2: So the Colts last year were twenty ninth in the 636 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: NFL with forty four completions of fifteen or more yards 637 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 2: to wide receivers. So they just they were not explosive 638 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: as a wide all right. But I think that the 639 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 2: point here is that this isn't just a d Mitchell 640 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 2: getting dropped into this offense. It's Anthony Richardson and a 641 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 2: d Mitchell. I think, you know, Alec Pierce is a 642 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 2: guy who's going to benefit from Anthony Richardson being in 643 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 2: there as well. But if you're just looking to get 644 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 2: more explosive as a wide receiver unit, ady Mitchell is 645 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: not the only reason why you're going to do that, 646 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 2: but he is a guy who should be expected to 647 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 2: help with getting more explosive. And then you know you're 648 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 2: talking about when you stretch the field with your wide receivers, 649 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 2: that's a different calculus for opposing defenses who now, maybe 650 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 2: you've got to play more two high safeties. We can't 651 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 2: keep that extra guy in the box against the run. 652 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 2: And that's everything right that the box. 653 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 3: Is everything for the running game with Taylor and Richardson. 654 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 4: Right, Well, this is going to be interesting because I 655 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 4: got four off the top of my head between Pittman, Downs, Pierce, 656 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 4: and now Mitchell. There's gonna be some fun fights up 657 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 4: in Westfield when it comes for roster spots in the 658 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 4: wide receiver role. I just wanted to say, what spells 659 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 4: out there, how much playtime is it is going to 660 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 4: affect any veterans on this team or this rookie. 661 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: Well, Alec Pierce last year played one ninety snaps on offense. 662 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 2: He played the most snaps of any skill position player 663 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: on the Colts was that ninety five percent of the 664 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 2: team snaps. I think Ady Mitchell probably will compete to 665 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: cut into that right at the X. But I also 666 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 2: don't think you're just burying Alec Pierce with this pick. 667 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: It's not like the Colts went out and drafted Marvin 668 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 2: Harrison junior, who probably would stepped in and just been, 669 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,479 Speaker 2: you know, the immediate starter there. You know, I think 670 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 2: Ady Mitchell Nolt Piersa have a very healthy competition during 671 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 2: training camp, and there are two guys who can be 672 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: on the field. You know, you might not need Adi 673 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 2: Mitchell to play fifty percent of the snaps, which also 674 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 2: then kind of eases him into his NFL career because 675 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 2: you got a guy and Alec who you know can play, 676 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 2: who can play on the outside, and you also hope 677 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 2: this is one of those things where competition brings out 678 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 2: the best in both of those guys. Obviously, Alec did 679 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 2: not have the season he wanted to have last year, 680 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: but you know, everything that we've heard about him is 681 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 2: that his attitude was great through it, his mentality was 682 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 2: great through it, and he's he's going to get right 683 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: back to work now and going to compete to keep 684 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 2: getting his snaps. 685 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 4: More weapons for Anthony Richardson here here, I mean, I'm 686 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 4: all in for it. Fellers are going to move down. 687 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 4: Let's go a couple of picks right now in the 688 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 4: third round and fourth round Matt Gunsalvus offensive lineman from 689 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 4: pitt In, Wisconsin's Tanner Bordolini, which a lot of people 690 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 4: saw he even in the past year, as Wow, he 691 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 4: was rocking such a great mullet. I'm sorry to start 692 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 4: with the mull on this guy. Everybody has, but I 693 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 4: was watching in college games. I'm like, dude, that dude 694 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 4: is rocking that mullet, and he brings that to Indianapolis. 695 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 2: So I don't think anyone else caught this, but on 696 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 2: Tanner Pordalini's media zoom session he did right after he 697 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 2: got picked. Mike Chappell goes, finally, all right, let's see 698 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 2: the mullet. He turns around and shows it and Lara 699 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 2: Overton her reaction to it. If you've ever seen The Simpsons, 700 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 2: clipper ned Flanders is like squealing over purple drapes in 701 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 2: a house. It's just like a like that. That's what 702 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: Lara was doing, like convulsing. She was so happy. 703 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 4: She loved it on them. Oh it was incredible. Grub 704 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 4: What the kid looks like? I heard he shaved his 705 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 4: head and then just let it go. Love what he 706 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 4: looked like. Okay, Tanner, we love what you look like. 707 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 4: Now let's go where did these offensive lineman here? Start 708 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 4: with Gonsalves, if you will. What he brings to this 709 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 4: table and depth is everything in the NFL on the 710 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 4: offensive line specifically, but five starters coming back Matt Well, that's. 711 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. 712 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 3: But you know, Chris Ballard is again he mentioned that 713 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 3: P word several times last Friday or the Friday before 714 00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 3: the draft. 715 00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: It's all about protect. 716 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 3: You can't have enough quality depth pieces along that offensive line. 717 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 3: The last couple of years, there's that clear investment with 718 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 3: Freeland and now Gonzalves and then Bordolini. Gonzalves, I think specifically, 719 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 3: this is a guy that I think can play everywhere. 720 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: He can even play center. 721 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 3: I think I think he's got the position flexibility or 722 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 3: at least the body type they think that potentially can 723 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 3: play in the interior excuse me, interior. Even though he 724 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 3: played on the right side, left side, the tackle positions 725 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 3: in college predominantly. To me, the most surprising thing about 726 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 3: this pick, and maybe surprising is not the right word. 727 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 3: Probably more intriguing is that he only played three games 728 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 3: last year, So there really is a forecast and a 729 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 3: projection within this pick, and the Colts trade up in 730 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 3: the third round to get him. And to your point, JJ, 731 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 3: there's other draft pundits and experts that said this was 732 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 3: a fourth or a fifth round draft pick. So all 733 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 3: of that in mind, you know, kind of adds up 734 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 3: to this really intriguing prospect the Colts have. But talking 735 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 3: with a scale afterwards, and you hear Chris and Shane 736 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 3: talk this was one of their best offensive linemen in 737 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 3: the draft, yep, regardless of position, and I think position 738 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 3: flexibility is a huge feather in his cap. And the 739 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 3: Colts love guys like these. I mean, you go back 740 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 3: to the the Joe Haiggs and the Joe Wrights is 741 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 3: of the world. 742 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: That's how you stay. 743 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 3: That's that's your longevity piece in the NFL is your 744 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 3: position flexibility. 745 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: The more that you can do ads to your value. 746 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna factor into the starting lineup 747 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 3: next year, obviously, but Ryan Kelly is gonna be a 748 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 3: free agent. Will Fry' is gonna be a free agent 749 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 3: after next year twenty five. You got Braydon Smith who's up. 750 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 4: So they're gonna play this year. I'm just saying that's 751 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 4: just the way. 752 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, is one hundred percent along the offensive line, 753 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 3: so he could factor in somewhere given how many different 754 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 3: positions he can play. 755 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 2: I mean, the Colts last year, Quentin Nelson and Will 756 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 2: Fries didn't miss like any snaps. That's unhard it and 757 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 2: that's a testament to both of those guys. But random 758 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 2: stuff happens in a physical foot you know, physical game. 759 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 1: A running back rolls up on you. 760 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 2: You know, you hope that doesn't happen. You hope you're 761 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 2: starting five next year is the same starting five you 762 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 2: had last year. But you know last year Blake Freely 763 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 2: had to start what nine games and Western French step again. 764 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 2: So you're gonna need these guys. The thing with Gonzalves 765 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 2: that I go back to, he was an. 766 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 4: Ornery guy, right, JJ ornery guy, little, a little chippy. 767 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 2: He seems like a good fit for our offensive. 768 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 1: Line roll language. He was a laboratory. 769 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 2: He was only flagged four times in one thousand seven 770 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty seven snaps in college. Zero holding penalties. Wow, 771 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 2: that that's hard to do. Like with the way that 772 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 2: holding gets called to not even be in a position 773 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 2: where you get called as a tackle, that's pretty good. 774 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 2: That's that's that's pretty impressive. 775 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 4: Penalties would just four starters, Yeah. 776 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 2: Which sometimes that can be on the corner right, you know, 777 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 2: and then you know he throwing Bordolini. I don't I 778 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 2: don't totally love like playing favorites, but like, this guy's 779 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 2: one of my favorite picks the Colts had in the 780 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,919 Speaker 2: entire NFL draft because like his he's just he fits 781 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 2: that mentality that you want out of the line, the 782 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 2: Colts line. You know, he's the guy who's going to 783 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 2: come in and learn. He's very humble, understands his his 784 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 2: versatility is important. But then you look at his athletic 785 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 2: testing numbers and like he broke Jason Kelce's three cone 786 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 2: record at the NFL Combine. So no interior offensive lineman 787 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 2: can run run the three cone faster than Jason Kelcey 788 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,240 Speaker 2: until Tanner Bordolini. He ran a four to eight short 789 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 2: shuttle that was the seventh fastest by an interior offensive lineman. 790 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 2: He ran a four nine four second forty yard dash 791 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 2: that's in the ninety seventh percentile for interior alignment. He 792 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 2: weighs over three hundred pounds and he ran the forty 793 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 2: and under five seconds. Man. Look, and I know you 794 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 2: can be like, well, what does this really mean? But 795 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 2: like sometimes when you get these great athletes at these positions, 796 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 2: when they grow into it, when they figure out how 797 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 2: to use their hands and how to set and all that, 798 00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 2: the creative stuff you can do with these guys is 799 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: really fun to see. And we got a head coach 800 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 2: here who does a lot of creative stuff with his 801 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 2: offensive line. We saw it with Quintin Nelson last year, 802 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 2: some of the stuff he would do on play action 803 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 2: where he's pulling and he's just absorbing a Denico Autrey 804 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 2: bull rush. We saw it with Jason Kelsey, the stuff 805 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 2: he was able to do in Philadelphia. Obviously, Quentin Nelson 806 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 2: and Jason Kelcey are two elite top point hh one 807 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 2: percent players in the NFL. But I love taking the 808 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 2: good athlete here and a guy who's versatile, and again, 809 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 2: he's probably not a guy you are gonna expect to 810 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 2: start right away, but down the road, if you know, 811 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 2: Ryan Kelly leaves in free agency, if Will Fries leaves 812 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 2: in free agency, obviously he'd like to keep both those guys. 813 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 2: But if something were to happen and you can't pay him, 814 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 2: or they go somewhere else and you can slide Bordolini 815 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 2: or Gonzalveez in, that's smart. And worst case of these 816 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 2: guys are just depth guys. Long term, that's also smart 817 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 2: because having good offensive linemen to come off the bench 818 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 2: is a really important thing. 819 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 3: Well, and they're here under contract while Anthony Richardson grows 820 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 3: to the point where if these guys need to become 821 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 3: starters in year three or four, that's going to be 822 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 3: a different roster construction dynamic when Richardson hopefully reaches that 823 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 3: big page. 824 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 2: I always think offensive line as like a week link system, 825 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 2: and you know, usually if you have one of your 826 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,439 Speaker 2: starters go out, you're worried that the guy who comes 827 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,879 Speaker 2: in is going to be a week link and they're 828 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,879 Speaker 2: just gonna be that guy's gonna get run at all day. 829 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 2: If these guys both pan out or one of these 830 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 2: two guys check out, you're hoping that that guy can 831 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 2: come off the mention not be a week link. 832 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 4: Good depth and a good part of this offense too, 833 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 4: and everybody's you know, healthy across the board. We saw 834 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 4: last year Braden Smith's coming back for a big one. 835 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 4: So cannot wait and real quick. Would you rather be 836 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 4: represented by the law firm or a restaurant? Probably the restaurant, 837 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 4: you think, so just say it. See how it flows, Garse, 838 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 4: see how it flows both gun solve, sorry, gunsolvice in Bordolini's. 839 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 4: Is that a law firm or is that a restaurant 840 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 4: you want to go to? 841 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 3: I'm serious, I want to I want a table for 842 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 3: two on the patio at Bordolini's. 843 00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean? 844 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yea, yeah, they take reservations. 845 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 4: Got you, Yeah, I'm with you. 846 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: No veal pacatta. 847 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 2: I don't want them chicken spaghetti? Do you want them 848 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 2: represent me? 849 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 4: I just want to eat at their restaurant, Guys, I. 850 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 1: Want them to cater. 851 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 4: The draft part, Well, those big fellas are coming in 852 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 4: and we're gonna talk about, probably down the road, some 853 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 4: Italian cooking with Bordolini somewhere. I'm I'm sure it's just 854 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 4: gonna come up. 855 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 2: But the only thing that's that's a bummer about Bordolini 856 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 2: is that. So Macknzalvez is from the New York area. 857 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 2: If Bordelini was in the New York area, that's just 858 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 2: that's a home run. 859 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 4: Right right, Don't forget Anthony Gonzales or Anthony Costanzo had 860 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 4: the restaurant. Yeah, so we're gonna try and let's just 861 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 4: have Tanner Bordolini open a restaurant here and they will 862 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 4: move on. Let's move on with this offense as well. 863 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 4: Going down here we go. Oregon State can't wait to 864 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,320 Speaker 4: talk about this young man. Matt Taylor really quick, what 865 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 4: does Anthony Gould bring to the wide receiver room? And guys, 866 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 4: I'm gonna ask you both, what does he bring to 867 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,439 Speaker 4: this new kickoff rule? 868 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 3: Well, I think this is a great pick for the 869 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 3: Colts in the foresight to understand that the rules are changing. 870 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 3: I think there's different value now within these draft picks 871 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,959 Speaker 3: once you get to four, five, and six. 872 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 1: So I love this pick. 873 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 3: This is probably my favorite pick of the draft because 874 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,919 Speaker 3: of the upside and the value that he can bring 875 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 3: in a specialized role. That's what you're looking to do 876 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 3: on Day three of the draft. You're not drafting Pro bowlers, 877 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,720 Speaker 3: You're not drafting at least guys not right away anyways, 878 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 3: Right you get what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, you're drafting 879 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 3: for trades, you're drafting for niche roles at least early on, 880 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 3: and for Gould. I freaking love this pick because of 881 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 3: the new kickoff rules, because he's one of the best 882 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 3: punt returners in the game in college football in the 883 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 3: last two years. And you're asking yourself, well, wait a minute, 884 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 3: you just said kickoff and punt. Well, the new kickoff 885 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 3: is kind of like a punt because short area guys 886 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 3: are closer together. It's all about just vision and spacing 887 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 3: and speed, and he's got all of that. So I 888 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 3: love this pick from the special teams angle. He's on offense, 889 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 3: he's mainly an outside guy. He can play in the 890 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,720 Speaker 3: slot too, that's interesting, but playing but he was mostly 891 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 3: an outside pick up, you know, but he still was 892 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 3: productive in a major conference in the Pac twelve if 893 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 3: you had thirteen hundred yards career. 894 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: Wise, you know, for the Beaver. So I love this pick. 895 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 3: I think good on Chris Ballard and obviously Brian Mason 896 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 3: was a factor in it too. Just good on you 897 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 3: to have the vision to say we're going to actually 898 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 3: take a chance on a guy that could you know, 899 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,479 Speaker 3: fill out a big time role for us in terms 900 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 3: of field position and giving us a spark in that 901 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 3: third phase of the game. 902 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 4: Right, write him down. 903 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 2: That's well, And that Ashton doing is your sex? 904 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: Put him in pencil. 905 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know you still have to figure 906 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 2: out how he looks on the new kickoff returns. It's 907 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 2: not just hey, this guy's going to be our kickoff returner. 908 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,919 Speaker 2: He's got to earn it, especially when you've got guys 909 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,959 Speaker 2: on this roster like Dallas Flowers who have experience doing 910 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 2: it the other way. But you know, things could shake 911 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 2: out or the Colts need Dallas Flowers to start games 912 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 2: for them. Sure, and maybe you don't want a starting 913 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 2: cornerback back there returning kicks. 914 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: May don't you want Josh Downs doing that. 915 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 2: You're right exactly where Gould is a guy who maybe 916 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 2: he has a role on this offense, but it's probably 917 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 2: gonna be limited and targeted to certain kinds of plays. 918 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 2: But I mean the kickoff, I think the expectation is 919 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 2: that you're gonna get You're gonna average probably about the 920 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 2: twenty five thirty yard line to start, if you can 921 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 2: get beyond that because you have an ace back there. 922 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 2: That is huge field position. And this guy at Oregon 923 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,359 Speaker 2: State he averaged sixteen point eight yards per punt return 924 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 2: over the last two seasons. So imagine like you're punting 925 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,399 Speaker 2: the ball and he catches it at the fifteen yard line. 926 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 2: You're starting a drive at the thirty one yard line. 927 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's two first hands exactly. 928 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 2: Those are huge yards that you're getting. So even on 929 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 2: punt returns, that could be a weapon for the Colts here, 930 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 2: just that that extra eight nine ten yards. Maybe you're 931 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 2: not thinking he's gonna house one every game or you know, 932 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 2: ever every season, but those extra yards are critical for 933 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 2: starting off an offense in a good position. 934 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 4: And I see Shane Stiken doing this. 935 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know that. 936 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,359 Speaker 3: You know what I mean, wide receiver screens, just get 937 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 3: the ball. 938 00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 2: You mentioned the outside stuff. So he's five non ing 939 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy four pounds. Josh Downs is five 940 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 2: to nine hundred and seventy one pounds. But Downs in 941 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 2: college was almost exclusively a slot guy. Ninety percent of 942 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 2: his snaps came in the slot. That's how we saw 943 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,959 Speaker 2: him primarily get used with the Colts. Gould, like you mentioned, 944 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 2: mate is primarily an outside guy, so there could be 945 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 2: a different you know, and he can play inside too. 946 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,840 Speaker 2: I think twenty seven percent of his college snaps are 947 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,919 Speaker 2: in the slot, but he can be used in different ways. 948 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 2: And I don't know if you're looking at him getting 949 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,800 Speaker 2: more than five six snaps a game, but maybe on 950 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,359 Speaker 2: one of those he gets the ball in his hands 951 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 2: and you see what happens. Ye. 952 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 4: Hey, Speed kills fellows and you know that kid's got 953 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 4: it when you're talking about four to three JJ starting 954 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,240 Speaker 4: with you. This is your alma mater. Let's go to Missouri. 955 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 4: Jalen Carli's fifth round of developmental linebacker who contributes on 956 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,919 Speaker 4: special teams? Is he like a young EJ. Speed type 957 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 4: of guy if he makes his team? And I'm not 958 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 4: being negative on that, because in this NFL, with this 959 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 4: roster and twenty two starters coming back, these guys got 960 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 4: to come out and prove it. 961 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you look at just the linebacker depth 962 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 2: chart and Zire Franklin and EJ. Speed are firmly entranced 963 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 2: to as your two starting linebacker because you're in you're 964 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 2: playing Nickel so much, you know, it's really you have 965 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 2: two starting linebackers, but he's going to have to compete with, 966 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,319 Speaker 2: you know, the guys behind them. So you're looking at 967 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 2: Grant Stewart, who is an a special teamer, Saguna Lubi 968 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 2: who showed some stuff last year when he got on 969 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 2: the field, also a good special teams guy, had the 970 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 2: blocked punt against Tennessee. So he you know, he's got 971 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 2: a bit of an uphill battle to make the roster. 972 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 2: But a guy who when when Chris Ballard was talking 973 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 2: about him, he mentioned EJ. Speed a couple times. He's 974 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 2: got long arms, thirty four and a quarter inch arms. 975 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 2: He's he's you know, fast, he's big, he's athletic. And 976 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 2: I thought this is interesting that Tyler Hughes, the area 977 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 2: scout who scouted Jalen Carlis, brought up Divine Diablo, who 978 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,239 Speaker 2: Gus Bradley and Richard Smith had with the Raiders in 979 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. He was a safety at Virginia Tech. 980 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 2: They took him in the sixth round. He wound up 981 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 2: starting a little bit for Gus and Richard in Las Vegas. 982 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,880 Speaker 2: Last year he started for the Raiders. He had one 983 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 2: hundred and four tackles as a linebacker, so he grew 984 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 2: into it. Yeah, and I think you envision hopefully the 985 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 2: same thing with Jaalen Carlis. And that's kind of what 986 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 2: the Colts have done at linebacker, is they've taken swings 987 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 2: on guys with length, which Carlis has. There's no linebacker 988 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 2: who's been drafted in the last two years who has 989 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 2: longer arms than Jalen Carlins. And you go and you 990 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 2: take that trait and you say, let's go develop you 991 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,279 Speaker 2: and figure it out while you contribute on. 992 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,680 Speaker 4: Special long arms or keep defending. 993 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,319 Speaker 2: You know, keep all right, because what if you're two 994 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five pounds and you've got a three 995 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty pound guard pulling toward you, you can 996 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 2: still win leverage if you get your hands to strike 997 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 2: him first. And at thirty four in charms, Carlis is 998 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 2: probably gonna have longer arms than a lot of the 999 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,439 Speaker 2: guards who are going to pull to the second level 1000 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:43,160 Speaker 2: to try to block him. 1001 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all about leverage and separation there and that 1002 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,400 Speaker 3: that's a huge tool. Another piece of precedent to all 1003 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 3: this is Ronnie Harrison on the Colts roster last year, 1004 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 3: who went from safety to linebacker then back to safety 1005 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 3: and a pinch towards the end of last season, but 1006 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 3: certainly a guy that can do it all and he 1007 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 3: adds depth and value to several positions. I just think 1008 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 3: sounds cliche, but this guy's just a stud. 1009 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 1: He's a football player. 1010 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 4: You know. 1011 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 3: Just give him, you know, give him some pads and 1012 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,840 Speaker 3: helmets and let him go. He's got a nose for 1013 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 3: the ball. 1014 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 4: And those guys will work their way out. 1015 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,279 Speaker 1: He always do. 1016 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,919 Speaker 3: At Missouri, he's their leading tackler the last two years 1017 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,719 Speaker 3: and he plays safety, which means that he's kind of 1018 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,200 Speaker 3: that hybrid guy, you know, whatever you want to call it. 1019 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 3: You know that the bandit or the robing him all 1020 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 3: proud down. 1021 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 4: That's my guy, right. 1022 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,840 Speaker 2: That guy had a great game against Ohio State and 1023 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:27,439 Speaker 2: the Cotton Bolls. 1024 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 4: You're gonna be just partner. You're gonna have a chair 1025 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,840 Speaker 4: right in front of his locker ketchups every day. Let's go. 1026 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,439 Speaker 2: You know, talk about Brady Cook and you know, coach 1027 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 2: Drink and all that. One other thing that I would 1028 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,840 Speaker 2: be remiss to note here on Jail and Carlais is 1029 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 2: the Colt's assistant linebackers coach. Was also a converted safety. 1030 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 2: Turned linebacker Keto June safety show it out of Michigan 1031 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,400 Speaker 2: and we know here in Indy he was a pretty 1032 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,479 Speaker 2: good player, so you got that experience too. 1033 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 4: Absolutely right. Can you guys name his head coach. 1034 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,239 Speaker 1: Cato June? 1035 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, Brady Hope. No, that's too early. 1036 00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god, what two thousand? 1037 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 2: It's on the tip of my tongue. 1038 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 1: While we going back here. 1039 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,600 Speaker 2: You're a Michigan guy. You're not dying inside your Lloyd 1040 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 2: Carr there it is Lloyd Carr. 1041 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 4: Good poll right there. Okay, moving on here with this draft. 1042 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 4: No Michigan men drafted out of uh drafted. 1043 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 2: No, they went to a better, better school, in better content. 1044 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 4: That's true, that's true. But okay, here I got I 1045 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,880 Speaker 4: got to bring it back on because I almost started 1046 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 4: when not starting to this, but like, uh, I'm sorry, yeah, 1047 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,840 Speaker 4: I'm sorry. The cornerbacks. Can I get to the cornerbacks 1048 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 4: in this unit that's here and stuff so young obviously 1049 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,800 Speaker 4: health was an issue last year and stuff like this, 1050 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,879 Speaker 4: But the cornerback in this defense and the cornerback room 1051 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,920 Speaker 4: in this defense and everything, and Chris Ballard saying, hey, 1052 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,760 Speaker 4: I'm going up because guys, I don't care who starts, 1053 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 4: But just tell me, everyone and their brother on those 1054 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,279 Speaker 4: mock drafts we talked about earlier in the show, had 1055 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,200 Speaker 4: the Colts grabbing a cornerback at fifteen there was a 1056 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 4: couple to choose from. 1057 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:51,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that. 1058 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 3: I think that's probably for the average fan. The surprise 1059 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 3: of the draft is that every mock draft you saw 1060 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,399 Speaker 3: was Quinnon, Mitchell and Terry on Arnold or kool Aid 1061 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,399 Speaker 3: and McKinstry. Yeah, I mean, all these guys were in play, 1062 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 3: and these were all first round draft picks. And then 1063 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,279 Speaker 3: the Colts decided to go pass rusher after they I 1064 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,279 Speaker 3: think tried very very you know, I think they were 1065 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 3: very They pursued trying to move up. They did, they 1066 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 3: tried to pursue moving up, and then I think once 1067 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 3: those top three receivers went off the board, they had 1068 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,440 Speaker 3: to reassess and a lot too false to them. And 1069 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,879 Speaker 3: that's a premium position, a position of me. We talked 1070 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:30,120 Speaker 3: all about that, but not addressing the cornerback position specifically 1071 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 3: until what your seventh draft pick and round number five 1072 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,400 Speaker 3: on Day three, I think took a lot of people 1073 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 3: off guard. And if it did surprise you, maybe you 1074 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,360 Speaker 3: weren't listening. As intently as you needed to be on 1075 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 3: Friday before the draft, when Chris Ballard said, listen, this 1076 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 3: is kind of like the offensive line. 1077 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 1: Two years ago. These guys can play. They grew up. 1078 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 3: It's not as bad as y'all think. And I think 1079 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:57,480 Speaker 3: the next step for Flowers and Brant's and Jones, and 1080 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,719 Speaker 3: obviously now Abraham in the mix as well Simpson if 1081 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,840 Speaker 3: he can play some safety and cornerback, the next step 1082 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,440 Speaker 3: is just trusting these guys more. In press man demand, right, 1083 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 3: how much more can you balance out the lack of 1084 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,000 Speaker 3: blitzing and the zone coverage numbers? Right, because you're the 1085 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,880 Speaker 3: team that blitz the fewest and the team that played 1086 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 3: the most zone How much can you even out those 1087 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 3: numbers by trusting the secondary that has two three years 1088 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,439 Speaker 3: under their belt. Now, well, I guess in the case 1089 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,799 Speaker 3: of Brentson Jones, it's only one. But towards the end 1090 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 3: of your rookie season, you're no longer treated like a rookie, right, 1091 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,359 Speaker 3: You've got baptism by fire at that point. So that's 1092 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,919 Speaker 3: what I'm looking forward to. And there's that belief, there's 1093 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,040 Speaker 3: that confidence that Chris Ballard and Shane Steiken have in 1094 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,399 Speaker 3: this young secondary to the point where they didn't feel 1095 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,000 Speaker 3: like they had to address it. They didn't have to, 1096 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,360 Speaker 3: you know, reach and show this, you know, tons of 1097 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,000 Speaker 3: urgency to get a cornerback just because we're so young 1098 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 3: and so perceived and experience in the back end. 1099 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,880 Speaker 2: I thought about that quote that Ballard said the Friday 1100 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,400 Speaker 2: before the draft about the O line and how he 1101 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,239 Speaker 2: used the corners. Similarly, I was like, you know, coming 1102 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 2: into last year, we were wondering, at this time can 1103 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,359 Speaker 2: Bernard Ryman play? We were wondering at this time, why 1104 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,680 Speaker 2: didn't the Colts take a right guard, you know, someone 1105 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,360 Speaker 2: to compete with wil Fryes on the interior, and the 1106 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,080 Speaker 2: Colts saw some stuff in both of those guys that 1107 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,400 Speaker 2: led them to believe, hey, these can be our starters. 1108 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,800 Speaker 2: I think it's similar with Juju. Brentz and Bernard Ryman 1109 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,799 Speaker 2: are sort of similar in that role. Like you saw 1110 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,040 Speaker 2: the flashes. Wasn't consistent enough, but you saw the flashes 1111 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,760 Speaker 2: in year one. And then Jalen Jones and Will Fries 1112 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,319 Speaker 2: both seventh round picks who showed at times they could 1113 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,920 Speaker 2: play as rookies or in their first real opportunity to start, 1114 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,160 Speaker 2: and you go with that. When Chris Ballard said we 1115 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,359 Speaker 2: want to add competition to that room, I don't think 1116 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 2: that means we want to add a starter. I mean, 1117 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,000 Speaker 2: do you want to add guys who are going to 1118 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,400 Speaker 2: push Jones and Brents And by the way, Dallas Flowers 1119 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:55,960 Speaker 2: is going to be someone who can do that already. 1120 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,040 Speaker 2: But it wasn't surprising to me. Like Chris Ballot even 1121 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,000 Speaker 2: kind of laughed at the end of his press conference 1122 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,759 Speaker 2: about Uh. He was asked about lat To and like, 1123 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,560 Speaker 2: are you worried that he's I think he's twenty two 1124 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 2: to twenty three? You're worried about the age a little bit? 1125 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,759 Speaker 2: He goes, No, we tried to sign a twenty nine 1126 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 2: year old defensive end. By the way, Yeah, the Neil 1127 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 2: Hunter Colts are trying to pay him a lot of 1128 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,959 Speaker 2: money in free agency to come here. They weren't trying 1129 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,879 Speaker 2: to pay a cornerback a lot of money. They weren't 1130 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,520 Speaker 2: trying to trade for a cornerback. That that was all bs, 1131 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,879 Speaker 2: all that stuff really so, but that was not something 1132 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,319 Speaker 2: the Colts were looking to do. Maybe you're looking maybe 1133 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,800 Speaker 2: if a high level upgrade was available in free agency, 1134 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,520 Speaker 2: which wasn't the case, Maybe you would have thought about it, 1135 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 2: but once there wasn't, it was like, Okay, let's go 1136 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,759 Speaker 2: ahead and let's see what these two guys have. And 1137 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,960 Speaker 2: maybe the Colts still adds someone there, but I'm not 1138 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:48,719 Speaker 2: so sure. 1139 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,880 Speaker 4: You got a can't playing high level football in Jalen 1140 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,480 Speaker 4: Simpson from Auburn. But Micah Abraham, like the last two years, 1141 00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,520 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, he's got the most interceptions in 1142 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,840 Speaker 4: the last two years in college football, the FCS, FBS. 1143 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:02,840 Speaker 4: I'm sorry. 1144 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,359 Speaker 1: Level, it's power. Marshall, Yeah, that's that's that's the that's 1145 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,200 Speaker 1: how you determine that. 1146 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,799 Speaker 3: But I think, yeah, Abraham comes in and again he's 1147 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,440 Speaker 3: a sixth round pick and he's going to add some 1148 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,400 Speaker 3: depth and he's going to push for a roster spot 1149 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,839 Speaker 3: and you're not drafting him to be a starter right away. 1150 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,320 Speaker 3: So I think, to be fair, like the there is 1151 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,560 Speaker 3: this boat of confidence in this young secondary, especially when 1152 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,720 Speaker 3: you don't address it until day three of the draft. 1153 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,520 Speaker 3: So I do think it's a little bit of a gamble, 1154 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,239 Speaker 3: right But I think that we're going to see, like 1155 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,000 Speaker 3: time is going to tell how this plays out, and 1156 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 3: we're going to see just how convicted and rightfully so 1157 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 3: the cults were into thinking that this secondary is ready 1158 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,880 Speaker 3: to go. But listen, we've seen these types of moves 1159 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,320 Speaker 3: before in the past, with belief in the young pass 1160 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,320 Speaker 3: rushers that the Colts have had on their roster, the 1161 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,359 Speaker 3: young wide receivers they've had on their roster. So there's 1162 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,520 Speaker 3: no doubt that they feel a certain way, and I 1163 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,719 Speaker 3: think the actions of the AFT send a statement to 1164 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,320 Speaker 3: how they feel about the secondary. 1165 00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:04,719 Speaker 1: There's a lot to like about that. 1166 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 3: There is, there's a lot of potential and there's a 1167 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,480 Speaker 3: lot of upstart there. But at the end of the day, 1168 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,320 Speaker 3: I think fans get a little squeamish because of the 1169 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 3: youth and the inexperience. But you know, Devil's advocate to 1170 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,920 Speaker 3: that is how do you get experience? How do you 1171 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,839 Speaker 3: get more playing time? How do you get better? It's 1172 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 3: you get you're on the field more. 1173 00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,520 Speaker 4: So. Then again, if one of these two cats just 1174 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,719 Speaker 4: dominates in Westfield, he's starting. And that's what I like 1175 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:29,719 Speaker 4: about the competition. 1176 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,480 Speaker 3: Juju Brints is a bona fide starter, right if he 1177 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:33,200 Speaker 3: can stay healthy. 1178 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,520 Speaker 2: Yes, that's part of the I think. I think I'm 1179 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,560 Speaker 2: looking at these two picks as Yeah, they're going to 1180 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:42,239 Speaker 2: compete to start, absolutely, But last year the Colt's depth 1181 00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,320 Speaker 2: at cornerback when Flowers went down for the year and 1182 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,120 Speaker 2: then Brentz was out of the lineup for a while, 1183 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,360 Speaker 2: they had some issues with depth. Jalen Jones stepped up 1184 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,920 Speaker 2: and did a great job. But I think adding guys 1185 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,800 Speaker 2: who have certain skills. Simpson's a guy who you know, 1186 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,920 Speaker 2: played safety in college, but the Colts think he can 1187 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,200 Speaker 2: play corner, outside corner the NFL. And then Abraham, he 1188 00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,440 Speaker 2: can play inside and outside. But like you mentioned, mate 1189 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,960 Speaker 2: those interceptions, and then I kind of like guys who 1190 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,560 Speaker 2: have blood lines. His dad is Donnie Abraham, who led 1191 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,040 Speaker 2: the NFL in interceptions in nineteen ninety nine. His cousin 1192 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 2: is Tim Jennings, the Colts player from Georgia who led 1193 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,360 Speaker 2: the NFL in interceptions with the Bears in twenty twelve. 1194 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,759 Speaker 2: Interceptions just run in this family, I guess I like that. Gus, Yeah, 1195 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,680 Speaker 2: come on in here, we got room for you. I 1196 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,080 Speaker 2: love bloodlines in the NFL. Let's move out to a 1197 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:28,839 Speaker 2: crowded room. 1198 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:33,160 Speaker 4: Guys. Finally right here, Oklahoma, Jonah Laulu seventh round or 1199 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,920 Speaker 4: does he make the team? I mean, it's a tough, 1200 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,719 Speaker 4: it's a crowded room, and obviously this pick, you know, 1201 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,960 Speaker 4: is a guy you look for in the future for help. 1202 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,600 Speaker 4: Right now, I would say that's accurate. 1203 00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,200 Speaker 1: I would say this is a development pick. 1204 00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,800 Speaker 3: I mean, it's probably one of the most crowded rooms 1205 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,160 Speaker 3: filled with talent that you have, especially with the investment 1206 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,439 Speaker 3: over the last two months with the Forest Bucksher Grover 1207 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,040 Speaker 3: Stewart both and one in free agency, the other. 1208 00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,440 Speaker 1: One getting a contract extension. 1209 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,920 Speaker 3: Plus you bring in Rakwon Davis, Tavin is coming back, 1210 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,759 Speaker 3: he got some position flexibility of other guys that can 1211 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,520 Speaker 3: kick in and pass rush situations like Taekwon Lewis and 1212 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,520 Speaker 3: Dioa Dangbo. So yeah, this is probably a guy they're 1213 00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,760 Speaker 3: taking a flyer on because of the potential, the traits 1214 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,840 Speaker 3: that he has, the quickness, the speed, the power. This 1215 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,799 Speaker 3: is the guy that just got better every year from 1216 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,840 Speaker 3: Hawaii to Oklahoma. Like his the totality of his career 1217 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,480 Speaker 3: with the with the raw stats is not going to 1218 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,879 Speaker 3: blow you away. But I think the film is better 1219 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,440 Speaker 3: than the box score in this case, So yeah, I 1220 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,080 Speaker 3: think this is a projection and somebody they might try 1221 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,600 Speaker 3: to stash on the practice squad and just get better 1222 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,480 Speaker 3: and develop and then we'll see where he is. 1223 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,279 Speaker 4: And you know, anything outside of that, that's kind of 1224 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:41,160 Speaker 4: what he is in your eyes. 1225 00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he had a thirty six inch vertical 1226 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,799 Speaker 2: at two hundred ninety two pounds. Pretty good athelete, then 1227 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,200 Speaker 2: pretty good athlete. Yeah, you bet, you bet on the athlete. 1228 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,920 Speaker 2: And the Colts thought he uh when he moved to 1229 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,600 Speaker 2: defensive tackle last year that his his talent started to 1230 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,920 Speaker 2: come out. But as I think we'll we'll get into 1231 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,680 Speaker 2: here in a little bit defensive that defensive line room. Yeah, 1232 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,560 Speaker 2: there's gonna be some bad in training camp in that room. 1233 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,560 Speaker 4: Your competition everywhere over this And I love, by the 1234 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,879 Speaker 4: way Sean Shane Steichen when he talks to the draft 1235 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,880 Speaker 4: choice after. I love watching the videos obviously produced in house. 1236 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,480 Speaker 4: Our guy today behind the screen, behind the camera, one 1237 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,239 Speaker 4: of those always here the word compete. Can't wait to 1238 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,680 Speaker 4: have you come in here and compete. Compete, compete. Love 1239 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,359 Speaker 4: the competition that this room or these rooms are going 1240 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,399 Speaker 4: to be having for this football team led by Anthony Richardson. Okay, 1241 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,320 Speaker 4: where else would we need help, guys real quick? Anything 1242 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,600 Speaker 4: happening before camp that we see a new face or 1243 00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:29,080 Speaker 4: two in here? 1244 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you might look at running 1245 00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:36,120 Speaker 2: back as a spot. You know, the Colts like Trace Sermon, 1246 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,400 Speaker 2: they like Evan Hall, but you know they still kind 1247 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,880 Speaker 2: of have that Zach Moss sized hole on the roster 1248 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,480 Speaker 2: that you know they did look at drafting a running back. 1249 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,839 Speaker 2: Chris Ballard mentioned that, but didn't you know, one didn't 1250 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,160 Speaker 2: fall to them in the range that they are in. 1251 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,920 Speaker 2: That could be somewhere where you look to address it. 1252 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,160 Speaker 2: Maybe you still think about another safety coming in, but 1253 00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,279 Speaker 2: really those are those about the only two I kind 1254 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:00,919 Speaker 2: of look at and say, yeah, these are spots where 1255 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,400 Speaker 2: you could have guys come in and make the roster 1256 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:04,879 Speaker 2: in significant roles. 1257 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we forget that just because the draft's over, 1258 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,640 Speaker 3: free agency is still going on and a lot of 1259 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,880 Speaker 3: teams weigh and position themselves to see what their draft 1260 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,160 Speaker 3: hall is and then reevalue. 1261 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,880 Speaker 2: And the other little note here is that after the draft, 1262 00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,400 Speaker 2: unrestricted free agents who signed no longer count against the 1263 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 2: compensatory pick formula. So if you're looking to play that 1264 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,280 Speaker 2: game a little bit, some teams do wait until after 1265 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,240 Speaker 2: the draft to go pick up a veteran on the free. 1266 00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,200 Speaker 3: Agency Who is who is the Mike Adams of this 1267 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:37,960 Speaker 3: Eric Fisher, Yeah, exactly. 1268 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,240 Speaker 4: Hey, there's gonna be some great competition, which we talked 1269 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,720 Speaker 4: about all through this podcast. What's your guys' favorite position 1270 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,840 Speaker 4: group that's going to be going jj you mentioned it 1271 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,560 Speaker 4: off camera. You start first at tight end room. 1272 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,320 Speaker 2: Colston't do anything to the tight end room, but they 1273 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,520 Speaker 2: did something to the wide receiver room. So now if 1274 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,880 Speaker 2: you're looking at this roster and you're you're seeing might 1275 00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,400 Speaker 2: be six receivers you can keep between Pittman Downs, Pierce, Mitchell, Duelin, 1276 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,280 Speaker 2: what is going to make Dulan's going to make the 1277 00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,919 Speaker 2: team as a special teamer, and then Gould who would 1278 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,360 Speaker 2: also probably make the team as a special teamer. Does 1279 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,520 Speaker 2: that mean your tight end spot strength three? 1280 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,240 Speaker 4: Three? Tight ends five or four? 1281 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,160 Speaker 1: I think probably four tops, but more like but three. 1282 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,800 Speaker 2: But then think about the guys who are in that competition, 1283 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:21,000 Speaker 2: Mooley Cox, Jilani Woods, Drew Ogletree, Will Mallory, and Kylon Granson. 1284 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,440 Speaker 2: It's like one of those five might be out, two 1285 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,040 Speaker 2: of those five might be out, and all all of 1286 00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,800 Speaker 2: those guys would be worthy of a roster spot. So 1287 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,480 Speaker 2: that competition, to me, is going to be fascinating to 1288 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,080 Speaker 2: see how that plays out because again, if you're going 1289 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,919 Speaker 2: to keep six receivers, someone else probably needs to fall 1290 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,920 Speaker 2: off somewhere. And that's probably a tight end. 1291 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,160 Speaker 4: Mate, What do you think competition? What what? What department 1292 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,800 Speaker 4: as they say in the business world, will be competitive. 1293 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,360 Speaker 3: This this tree shipping, shipping cogs you know, just yeah, 1294 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:51,320 Speaker 3: accounts payable? 1295 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,720 Speaker 1: No, I probably agree, it's it's tight end. 1296 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,280 Speaker 3: And then on the defensive side of the ball, it's 1297 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,640 Speaker 3: probably that the defensive line and just how much and 1298 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,720 Speaker 3: bigger picture is how much. 1299 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,480 Speaker 1: Playing time or what is the playing time? How does 1300 00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:04,440 Speaker 1: that pie split up? 1301 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,840 Speaker 3: Now with the addition of Wattu with those edge rushers, 1302 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,760 Speaker 3: hey man, what he pay Samson abacom? 1303 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,440 Speaker 2: You made two significant additions on the d line in 1304 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,440 Speaker 2: layout tu Latu and George and Raekwon Davis on the interior. 1305 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:17,920 Speaker 2: So those are two guys that are going to be 1306 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,360 Speaker 2: on the roster. You can keep ten or eleven defensive linemen, 1307 00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 2: but you have a lot of guys who you have 1308 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,000 Speaker 2: invested draft capital into, you know, the Colts. Every time 1309 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,040 Speaker 2: Chris Ballard gets a chance to mention him, he mentions 1310 00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,360 Speaker 2: how much they like Isaiah Land. Yeah, who's picked up 1311 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,400 Speaker 2: off waivers last year? So it's going to be a 1312 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,320 Speaker 2: real interesting competition at that defensive line room during training. 1313 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,840 Speaker 4: Cap A lot more to come because those players are 1314 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,880 Speaker 4: in the back right now getting ready for this season, 1315 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,520 Speaker 4: and obviously we're gonna have that long gap in that 1316 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,600 Speaker 4: July area and then it is on can't wait. Hey, 1317 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,960 Speaker 4: I just want to say this coming up. You guys 1318 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,400 Speaker 4: cover this draft in this team better than most Leira 1319 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,480 Speaker 4: Overton as well as right up there. But I love 1320 00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,200 Speaker 4: breaking down the draft and I thank you because you 1321 00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,960 Speaker 4: make us smarter and I think you guys would agree 1322 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,600 Speaker 4: with that of breaking down this specific draft class with 1323 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,440 Speaker 4: these two guys. JJ Stankomitz Matt Taylor Voice of the 1324 01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,200 Speaker 4: Colts at JJ Stankovitz at Mayte Colts right there, Just 1325 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,240 Speaker 4: thank you, thank you for doing that, because there's gonna 1326 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,680 Speaker 4: be so many storylines that are coming up here. We're 1327 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,840 Speaker 4: gonna promote inside football coach Rick Van Turrey will be 1328 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,160 Speaker 4: breaking down the draft on Thursday on the Colts Audio Network. Fellas, 1329 01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:21,760 Speaker 4: this was a little bit of a longer one, but 1330 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,360 Speaker 4: I'm glad we did what we did because we got 1331 01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,440 Speaker 4: the tools and the cutlery out and we cut and 1332 01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,200 Speaker 4: dissected and everything like that almost like almost like the 1333 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,960 Speaker 4: meat that you provided for everybody on draft night. Yeah, 1334 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,120 Speaker 4: you brought in some sewage. 1335 01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:39,880 Speaker 2: I saw, Yeah, Jeffrey. It's Portillo's buddy. Every year, every year, 1336 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,520 Speaker 2: Dave Knickerbocker, our VP of Content and Production order or 1337 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,920 Speaker 2: Portillo's during the draft, and Jeffrey takes a photo one 1338 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,640 Speaker 2: of the beef sandwiches and sends it to me with 1339 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,480 Speaker 2: just the caption and sewage. I know, and I'll end 1340 01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:53,720 Speaker 2: with this, two of them. 1341 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,000 Speaker 4: I know, I'll end with this. I took a picture 1342 01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,680 Speaker 4: of it, and I go, and I swear I'm coming clean. 1343 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,680 Speaker 4: I go. Boy, if I put a little mustard on that, 1344 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,360 Speaker 4: it really doesn't look that bad. 1345 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:07,000 Speaker 2: But there on it. 1346 01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,680 Speaker 4: Guys, thanks so much for the help. Again that may 1347 01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,439 Speaker 4: at JJ Stankment's Colts dot Com, the voice of the Colts. 1348 01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,760 Speaker 4: Right here, I'm Jeffrey Gorman. Gonna be back with more 1349 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,480 Speaker 4: keeping you up to date on this football team. Excitement 1350 01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,000 Speaker 4: is everywhere, man, because it is almost upon us. This 1351 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,000 Speaker 4: team led by Anthony Richardson and a couple exciting uh 1352 01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,720 Speaker 4: draft joh, the whole draft class is exciting. But boy, 1353 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,439 Speaker 4: those one and two guys, I can't wait to watch 1354 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,600 Speaker 4: them work for JJ and Matt. I'm Jeffrey Gorman. We'll 1355 01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:30,320 Speaker 4: talk to you next week.