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Speaker 1: If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough. You're

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Speaker 1: listening to soft Reap Radio special operations, military news and

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Speaker 1: straight talk with the guys and the community. Hey, what's

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Speaker 1: going on? Welcome to soft Rep Radio. I am your host,

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Speaker 1: Rad and I have the special privilege to hang out

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Speaker 1: and talk with Dino Gardner, ranger, photographer, you know, all

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Speaker 1: around human and Dino. How are you today, Hey man,

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Speaker 1: I'm good. Rad. It's good to be here. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. Hey, we're very excited to have on. When

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Speaker 1: I found out you were going to be the guest

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Speaker 1: and I started to look into you and find out. Okay,

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Speaker 1: first of all, let's talk about top Gun, this book

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Speaker 1: that I found that you have. Okay, let's just dive

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Speaker 1: into it. Your photographer, I love photographers. I know some

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Speaker 1: f stops, some you know, macro lenses and some telephoto lenses.

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Speaker 1: But my man, in the years that you were doing

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Speaker 1: photography in the back of these vehicles, these machines, you

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Speaker 1: I mean you're doing a hand right, I mean tell

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Speaker 1: me more. Let's hear it. Well, First, I taught myself

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Speaker 1: And so you know, I only wanted to fly just

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Speaker 1: aviation photographer. Never. It wasn't on any of my list.

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Speaker 1: decades and the first gig I got was at the well.

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Speaker 1: First I saw Top Gun the movie twenty six times

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Speaker 1: It was just a whirlwind, just a whirlwind of fun.

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Speaker 1: Rad and I got better in your book. As I

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Speaker 1: the first book I did was a coffee table book

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Speaker 1: called Top Gun Merrimark, and that was the the end

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Speaker 1: result of my having flown at Top Gun and the

430
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Speaker 1: board aircraft carrier the USS Ranger for the Rangel and

431
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: even before, just just before I reported for duty as

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Speaker 1: a ranger. So I didn't I wasn't really happy with

433
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Speaker 1: that first book. With all due respect to the London

434
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: publishing company, they did the best they could and it

435
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 1: was a nice coffee table book sold twenty thousand copies.

436
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Speaker 1: And just to give you a little perspective, one of

437
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Speaker 1: the authors I worked with was the guy who wrote

438
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: Da Vinci Code and Angels and Demons, Dan Brown. And

439
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 1: before the da Vinci Code came out, he had done

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Speaker 1: Deception Point and Angels and Demons, and I edited both

441
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: of those. He sold about two thousand copies of Angels

442
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: and Demons before the da Vinci Code took off, and

443
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: so I was really happy because I beat him by

444
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: about eighteen thousand because my first book sold about I

445
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: didn't quite reach the heights of the da Vinci Code though,

446
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: even though I had a hand in in editing that

447
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: book and had a great time working working with Dan Brown.

448
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: And it is this the same book Da Vinci Code

449
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: that got turned into a movie with Tom Hanks. Is

450
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: that the same? Yeah? Yeah, you know Dan Brown was

451
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: he was kind of piste off at my edits and

452
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: that I won't get into reason why. But the director

453
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: race was Ron Howard and his production company. They like

454
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: my edits and they use some of those in the movie.

455
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: I heard, well, I mean, there you go, that's really

456
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: cool that you have your handed that. Yeah, And again

457
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't even pay attention to it. I

458
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: just do something. I mean, we try to design it

459
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: build it, then do it, and then move on to

460
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: the next thing. And it takes me about thirty years

461
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: to go back and say, oh, I did that. Really

462
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: I did that, and then this I did that. I

463
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: don't remember that, I really don't. And that's why I

464
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Speaker 1: said this the latest coffee table book. It's a five

465
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: d page coffee table book top gun and the I

466
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: presented two ten year olds everywhere because ten years when

467
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Speaker 1: I was ten years old, that's about the time when

468
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: I really developed my passion for military aviation. And and

469
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,239
Speaker 1: so I'm trying to turn on ten year olds out

470
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: there everywhere. Hey, go out and be a fighter pilot.

471
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: Now the bitter irony probably is going to be when

472
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Speaker 1: they come of fighter pilot age to go to I

473
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Speaker 1: don't know, Air Force Academy, Naval Academy, and then go

474
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Speaker 1: on to flight school. After that, we're probably gonna be

475
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Speaker 1: flying exclusively drones. And I was just gonna say, would

476
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Speaker 1: be any piloted aircraft? You know, that's kind of sad. Nonetheless,

477
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've got a good friend. I'm going through

478
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Speaker 1: drone training. Yeah, right now, that's the and he's uh,

479
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Speaker 1: I think he's about twenty one, finishing his college, did

480
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: a little internship with the Senator here locally, and now

481
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: he's off to drone school. I was like, he's like,

482
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a pilot rat. Good for him, And

483
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you gonna fly? He's like,

484
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: he's like big gulps and joysticks. That's right coming at you. Yeah, hey,

485
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: you know that. You know where they have a lot

486
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: of those drones. That's Creech Air Force based in Nevada,

487
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: named after a friend of mine, one of my dad's bosses,

488
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: because I knew all those old fighter pilots. Anyway, So

489
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: you asked about afterwards, so editing, editing books, producing those

490
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: in the top gun book. Oh yeah, I was getting

491
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Speaker 1: at for ten year olds. I want to turn on

492
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Speaker 1: ten year olds. So I've got a lot of different chapters.

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Speaker 1: One chapter is you probably saw, was written by a

494
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Speaker 1: ten year old student pilot, Caleb Schneider. Yeah. I couldn't

495
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Speaker 1: even I saw that. I did, yeah, and I couldn't

496
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Speaker 1: think of an appropriate chapter name, and so I did

497
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: a play on words from the afterward and the foreward,

498
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: and I called his the boy word. And so this, yeah,

499
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Speaker 1: this ten old boy wrote a chapter for this really

500
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: cool coffee table book. And then I got a lieutenant

501
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: Air Force retired Air Force lieutenant general, an old friend

502
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: of mine too, to write another chapter. And I got

503
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: this really cool aeromedical neurophysiologist, neuropsychologist, excuse me to do

504
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: what's called the with a forward, but he titled it

505
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: the Fighter Pilot Personality. I hadn't seen that anywhere. I

506
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: think there's some article, a couple of articles out there

507
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: in the Worldwide Web about it. But this guy did

508
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: such a beautiful job explaining what fighter pilots are made of,

509
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 1: how they're made, and using just three main traits, history

510
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: on its, compulsion, and narcissism. Those three traits he contents

511
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: make up the fighter pilot. So he he wrote that

512
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: was his quote, the one that said a fighter pilot

513
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: has great skills that a fighter pilot doesn't want to

514
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: have to use his great skills. What was it? Let

515
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: me find Let me see if I can find exactly. Yeah,

516
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: you know that similar effect. Yes, okay, you know, you

517
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: know Philo patterns used, They used superior flying skills so

518
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: that they don't have to use superior flying skills. Yeah,

519
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: that's in his foreword. And then we also got the

520
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: son of that Air Force three star general to write

521
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: the afterward, and he and this young guy his call

522
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: signed his ghost. He's an F twenty two pilot, so

523
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: he were really really cool afterward to it. And he

524
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: sent me some wonderful patches of his and I included

525
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: those in there and some a couple of really really

526
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: wonderful pictures too. It really is a wonderful book. Thank you,

527
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: much appreciated. I also included a series of scrap books

528
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: at the end, because that's what kids love. I love those.

529
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: I love collecting patches and awards, decorations, medals, and I

530
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: have a huge collection of medals, including a lot of

531
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: medals of honor to uh gaining back to the Civil War.

532
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: So I fluted the scrap books and have a lot

533
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: of fun pictures of me and a bunch of the

534
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: gut fighter pilots and other people, beautiful women at Miramar.

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00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: Remember the movie they had the U at n A

536
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: S Mirramar the Officers Club they had that party, Yeah,

537
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: really really fun party where Tom Cruise and and Anthony

538
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: Edwards were singing You've lost that you love in feeling. Yeah, Well,

539
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: I lived every minute of that movie, and including Mirramar

540
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: O club on Wednesday nights when it was still at Miramar.

541
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: Now it's Marine Corps Air Station and there is no

542
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: more formal top gun except I think a derivative of

543
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: it out at Fallon in Nevada, n A s Fallon Man.

544
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: That was that was just so much fun. So scrap

545
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: books for the kids. And I also have some tribute

546
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: to some of my heroes from World War One, World

547
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: War two, Korea, and Vietnam, and I have some paintings

548
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: of those guys. I included their some of their their

549
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: hop decorations and medals like Medals of Honor and Distinguished

550
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: Service Cross, silver Star, bronze star, just kind of dress

551
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: it up and it just to me that appealed to

552
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: the ten year old in me, so I pray that

553
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: it will attract ten year olds everywhere. I don't know

554
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: if they're gonna be able to afford the book, but hey,

555
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: you know the you know that's yeah, they're the ones

556
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: that will. He'll tell me something. So that now is

557
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: the book. Now, I'm fortunate to be able to see

558
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: a copy of it. You advanced it over to me

559
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: to take a look at it. Where would anyone else

560
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: find a copy or how can we help. What's going

561
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: on with that book? Worst top gun at? How do

562
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: we get it? Okay, well, I'm not quite done with

563
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: the production yet, but I'm gonna be raising money through

564
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: several different venues like Kickstarter, Indie, Go, go um, Patreon,

565
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: and so we'll see how that goes. So I'll I'll

566
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 1: keep in touch with you and the guys and let

567
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: people know when they hopefully will become supporters of those campaigns.

568
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: So I can get imprinted book like this five page

569
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: coffee table book eight and a half by eleven, eleven

570
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: inches high, eight and a half wide. I mean it's

571
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: like a like three inches thick. You're the super high

572
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: quality paper. It'll be the highest quality coffee table book

573
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: you can get anywhere. So those things will cost about

574
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: thirty to each just to produce. So that's why I

575
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: need the assistance of other people. I want to print

576
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: thousands of copies and then sell those on Barnes and

577
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: Noble and Amazon and who knows, maybe on software dot

578
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: com too. Hey, you know, if there's a publishing house

579
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: out there listening right now that's interested in helping, you know,

580
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, get off the ground, I'm sure he's down

581
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: to be reached out to you, so you know, thank you.

582
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: But here's the good news. I own two small publishing companies.

583
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: Oh so it's yourself had those for over twenty years,

584
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: so I've done a lot. Yeah, other people call it,

585
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: you know when they when they want to slam me

586
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: and slammed me, they say, oh, yourself published, will I say, well,

587
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: f you, because I've had those for years and I

588
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: published the work of other people too, So I'm fortunate

589
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: enough to be able to take care of the entire

590
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: production myself. The only thing I don't do is print

591
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: the books that I produced, so I'm very very fortunate there.

592
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: The only thing I need to do is raise money

593
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: for printing the books. And I'm gonna have some really

594
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: really beautiful gifts. The photos that I've seen already of

595
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: like the F fifteen Strike Eagle just climbing and soaring

596
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: up into the sky, and and the underbelly of the

597
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: F sixteen, you know, with its fully loaded armament. That's

598
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: like fully loaded, it's fully loaded. It's iron iron eagle

599
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: at it, Bro high you need I remember those guys, chappy, yeah, happy, Yes,

600
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: you gotta get my dad out, bro. I know you

601
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: you looked at the book, but I came up with

602
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: one of a kind's selfies and I was able to

603
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: do it against all then a sayers because they said,

604
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: when you start pulling eight nine g s, you can't

605
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: have any kind of grip a mounting to mount the

606
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: camera on. And I said, you know, you guys clearly

607
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: flunked physics in high school. Because not only did I

608
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: do it, but I was able to do it under

609
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: beautiful conditions, especially with the sun and lighting that produced

610
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: some super dramatic shots that no one else has been

611
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: able to recreate. And that's something that I discovered about

612
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: myself and I didn't know beforehand that I was actually

613
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: pretty decent at this. The lighting stunning, the composition really

614
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: really beautiful, and I really really enjoyed it. And again

615
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: that's where I taught myself photography, in the back seat

616
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Speaker 1: of a high performance jet. And so I think, what

617
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: what made it even more, you know the wild what

618
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: made it really interesting is that when you compare say

619
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Speaker 1: a studio photographer, I did studio photography for off and

620
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: on for nine years after that, and I photographed high

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00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: end jewelry and breast implants by Mentor and made him

622
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: look like jewelry. But beforehand, I went to a couple

623
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: of photo studios and I saw what guys did. They

624
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: could spend all day on one shot. Well, I often

625
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: had maybe eight seconds for a shot under high g under,

626
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, wearing thirty pounds a year, sweating my balls

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00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: off and being uncomfortable, even though it's an orgasmic kind

628
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: of discomfort, and I wouldn't trade it for anything. I

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00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: had to do that studio kind of photography with beautiful

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00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: lighting and composition and fire off about six frames per

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Speaker 1: second because we didn't have digital back then, and do

632
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: it all under those stressors. And I found that I

633
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: could do. The harder the stress was, the more you

634
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: dialed it up the discomfort, the better I got. But

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00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: my biggest lament is I only got to do every

636
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: shot one time because you didn't go back and do

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00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: anything repeat stuff. Everything was just one of a kind.

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00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 1: And and I didn't always get to fly. I would

639
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: fly every maybe a few months or six months. Yeah,

640
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: you needed to take advantage of each opportunity. Did absolutely

641
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: had to, And of course I would take a hundred

642
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: rules of film. Yeah. But here's the something I've never

643
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: told anybody. I was born the USS Ranger flying f

644
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: A eight teams doing cap traps, and on the first

645
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: one and the second one too, I repeated my mistake.

646
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: I had a hundred rolls of film that I left

647
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: on the aircraft carrier when I took off in the

648
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: f A teams, so I didn't get any cool shots

649
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: of the f A A team. You make that kind

650
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: of mistake in the studio, people do that. You make

651
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: stupid stuff. You do stupid stuff, and you make silly mistakes.

652
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: And I share that with you because when you have

653
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: a one of a kind photo shoot like I did,

654
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: and every one of mine was one of a kid

655
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: and you screw it up, there's no going back. You

656
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: can't repeat it. So I I really it's a regret,

657
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: but it was a good lesson learned that even when

658
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: I was really really excited to step to the jet,

659
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: I needed to go through my checklist, just like I

660
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: did with my pilots in the back seat for safety

661
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: check and to run up the jets. I needed to

662
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: do that on my own and and sometimes I forgot

663
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: or I was just too excited and I skipped a

664
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: few steps, so leaving behind the film when I was

665
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: flying in an f A team, like a hundred rolls

666
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: of film. I had a hundred rolls of Fuji five

667
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: millimeter color color film. Sure, and well I don't have

668
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: anything to show for it, accept commidity. I got nothing

669
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: to show for it. Brother, Yeah, I shot a canon,

670
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: uh the andre Agassi model back in the day. Was

671
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: it a team nine year? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

672
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: I got it. Yeah yeah, that was pretty expensive. As

673
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: a senior in high school. Yeah, oh yeah, just like

674
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: bucks back then, my dad's like, hey, you like photography, son,

675
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: And I said I do, and he's like, well, let's

676
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: get this for your school. You're taking a photography Yeah.

677
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: And he would take me out to this place called

678
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: Willard Bay. Here he's like, I know where some eagles

679
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: are at, so we try to take the pictures of

680
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: the eagles on the trees. And so I just and

681
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: I get to travel around and take photographs and work

682
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: with photographers and talk to guys like you who have

683
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, inspiring stories. And when I see you know,

684
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: when I do concert photography, I'm always like refreshing myself,

685
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: which is like a basic tutorial of lighting. I'm like, okay,

686
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: I gotta do these guys on the stage. Yes, did

687
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: I forget f stop goes up or goes down, and

688
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: I just refreshed myself every time. At least you get

689
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: second chances there. So true. Yeah, So you know you've

690
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: done a really interesting things yourself. I know you do

691
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: the ersof stuff, but you've been an actor too, Yes, yes,

692
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: I have. Yeah, I still pursue it. And uh. I

693
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: was in a fire Starter for Stephen King and I

694
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: play Andy for the for the sci Fi series on

695
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: sci Fi Channel, and that was shot here in Utah,

696
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: and I was I was blessed to get the part.

697
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: You know, I auditioned for it and went through I

698
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: was in acting classes, just always working on the craft

699
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: and just working in a gym environment for it, and

700
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: you know, just I'm ready, Like I was like, put

701
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: me in the game, coach, I'm I'm ready to go.

702
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: And I got cast good part. And there was other

703
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: ones as well. The nine eleven happened and that kind

704
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: of shut down what was going on due to explosions,

705
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: and you know, they actually pushed my series back and

706
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: then I was the reoccurring father and all the flash

707
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: you'd have to go watch and go watch a fire Starter.

708
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: I won't say much more. Some residuals, but go ahead,

709
00:38:54,760 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: and uh so if you watch it, it was gonna

710
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: be a regular Dennis Hopper, Danny Nucci from Titanic with

711
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: Leonardo you know, yeah, Margarite Burrow. So it's cool. Yeah,

712
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: I've done I've done some things. And I get to

713
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: like go around for soft Rep to England and host

714
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: the s A S Versus Navy Seals Delta Force Veteran

715
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: boxing matches. You know. Yeah, I get to do exactly that,

716
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: and I've done that many years in a row. And

717
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: then we went through this pandemic and that kind of

718
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: everything's been on tilt right, The world's on tilt, you know.

719
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: I just started traveling recently, so I've been to New

720
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: York and you know, down to Vegas and doing some

721
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: shot show stuff for the business and reference soft Rep.

722
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: So it's it's good to see everything getting back. The

723
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: concerts are coming back, That's what I'm happy about. I'm

724
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: getting ready to go over to London in June to

725
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: go see a friend of mine play some shows. So yeah, beautiful.

726
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: So I'm excited. You're having a good old Hey man,

727
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: can I be your bodyguard? Yes? I want to be

728
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: your body I will carry your I will carry your

729
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: camera bag and be your bodyguard. Yeah, because I got one.

730
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: I do got a camera. I come cheap too, because

731
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: he's see, I got some tripod equipment right here for

732
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: photography down dude. I'll carry all that stuff I got

733
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: you I got you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna probably

734
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: take my wife. We're gonna go over to London together

735
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: and I'll protect both of you. That's fine, Fine, that's fine.

736
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to the Tower of London. I got

737
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: a friend over there, Big Phil. I'm gonna givehim a

738
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: shout out, Big Phil. He's on Force Radio HQ over

739
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: there and he's like, hey, mate, you come over here.

740
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: You gotta bring a collar and a shirt with a

741
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 1: tie because we got to take it to the Tower

742
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: of London. So we're gonna go check that out. If

743
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: that's all good to go, you know, that's for sure.

744
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and hit every pub in London. Oh yeah, exactly.

745
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: And I just wish there's some snowboarding over there, you know,

746
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: because that's my jam. Right. Let's you should come do

747
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: that with me in Scotland. You come to that. I

748
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 1: we'll go up to Snowbird. Yes, where the two black

749
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: Hawks just crashed. Oh man, I don't even want to

750
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: hear about that. That's heartbreaking, breaks my heart. They're picking

751
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: up some s F guys on the mountain and one

752
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: of them got too low to the curve of the mountain,

753
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: right next to the ski lift going up just like

754
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: two weeks ago. So and then the other so once

755
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: it hit the ground, it broke its rotor and it

756
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: shot up and hit the other black Hawk, which dropped

757
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: it onto the ground. Everybody lived, but the SF guys

758
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: were the first ones on the scene, right, and then

759
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: they pulled it out with the chinook maybe last Wednesday,

760
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: so they just finally pulled them off the mountain. But

761
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: everybody survived. That's the positive out of that. I'm glad

762
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: to hear that. It would have been cool to like

763
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: snowboard off of the you know, the tail or the rotors, though,

764
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: I just was like, can they leave it and we'll

765
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: just hit it? You're killed me? Man. Well, you know

766
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: I was gonna say now that I have so much

767
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: time on my hands these days, I do a lot

768
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: of road trips around the country. You just drive, love

769
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: driving down to the Keys or you know, Miami South

770
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: Beach or up to Savannah, Georgia, where I was stationed

771
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: as a ranger, and up to Virginia Beach. Lots of

772
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: fun places. So I gonna come out to Utah and

773
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: we're gonna hang and you can tell me some more

774
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: of those fun stories. Since the interview has not about

775
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: you today, but I would I wish it were, because

776
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: I think You've got a lot of really cool things

777
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: to talk about. Yeah, I've been around the world once

778
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: or twice. You know, it's it's a fun time and

779
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: I just think that, Uh, I'm happy. Brandon of Software up.

780
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: You know, Brandon Webb, he's an avid pilot. He's always

781
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: taking pictures. He's always taking pictures in the back of

782
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: his uh little RV six or his little time machine,

783
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: flying around the Statue of Liberty. And you know, I'm

784
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: always so jelly because I want to I want to

785
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: write in it, but I'm just so Yeah, I'm just

786
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: so big. I'm a big dude that is jello as

787
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm so jelly. But yeah, whenever he'll he'll fly. Yeah,

788
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't even have a car. He just flies. He

789
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: had a yak fifth. I don't know if he still

790
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: has his Yack fifty, but Russian. You mean the Russian

791
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: yak yeah, oh man, oh yeah. Go follow Brandon t

792
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: Webb's Instagram account and you'll see him doing like multiple

793
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: maneuvers with other Yak flyers. You know, that's when a

794
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: lot of the old guys get killed because they start

795
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: messing around with that fun stuff up there in three

796
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: dimensions and they're having entirely too much. Yeah, has appointed

797
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: black Jeep Squadron bro Oh man, I got Actually, I

798
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: gotta add him to um that chapter of my heroes.

799
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that because I want to add

800
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: a Marine Corps guy to the World War Two section

801
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: of my heroes in the book. Thank you for reminding. Yeah,

802
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: so the book, get that printed. I just hope I

803
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: can get this printed the first and copies or so.

804
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm just hoping for that. You know, all the other

805
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: books that I've done over the years, when I published

806
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: them through my companies, they were black and white paperback,

807
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: and so they were easy to produce and just easy

808
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: to print. But this thing is a huge challenge. So

809
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: I'm asking the world for some grand assistance here. I

810
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 1: hope that comes through. I have the stars to align. Well,

811
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: you've got software behind you we're behind you. I'm so

812
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: stoked to have gotten to know you, and you know,

813
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: the discovery on our on our on our chat here

814
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: has just been wonderful. And you know, I know we've

815
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: been going for about an hour and and I want

816
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: to thank you for participating and uh, you know, connecting

817
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: with me and and going back and forth with our

818
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,959
Speaker 1: emails to say, hey, let's get together. And I would

819
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: love to have you back on as a reoccurring. You

820
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: have so many things that we can get into, like

821
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: just airborne school alone, right just talking about man, I

822
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: know we can talk about let's talk about flat Mother

823
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: Earth and how many times I've proved that the Earth

824
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: is flat? Oh yeah, because you have you have ways

825
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: to show that mountains are really flat. And you know,

826
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: I know I got, you know, just an incidental story

827
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: when I was aboard a couple of aircraft carriers and

828
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: a destroyer. They have these long range telescopes that can

829
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: see over the horizon. You know, the horizon doesn't exist anyway,

830
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: but they can see over a hundred miles out and

831
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: see another ship. You mainly be about six eight ft tall,

832
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: small vessel, so on a spherical earth, you couldn't possibly

833
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: do that because you know, you the other ship would

834
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: be at the end of the curve or beyond the curve.

835
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: But since the Earth is flat, you can actually see

836
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I love talking and since I've flown

837
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: to Africa many times and and to buy and you

838
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: a eight flights, you know, I get to sit up

839
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: in the cockpit and talk to the pilots and and

840
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: we we talked about flying straight and level, never dipping

841
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: the nose to go where the yeah, man, So it's uh, yeah,

842
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: I'd love to talk about that because that's where I

843
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: lose people. And I have even you know, I was

844
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: trained in physics and electrical engineering and applied to biology.

845
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 1: I was a biophysicist. Um, I get calls from guys.

846
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: So would you say that mountains on the Earth are

847
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: just a part of its flat shelf versus like because

848
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: when someone says, hey, the Earth is flat, I say, well,

849
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: look at my mountains, like you can't you have to

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Speaker 1: go over them, right, not quite flat, But if you're

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Speaker 1: looking from an aggregated level up above, right, then you're

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Speaker 1: just thinking it was like a shelf, yeah, right, Would

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Speaker 1: there be water to get down on both sides? No, man,

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Speaker 1: One of the water rounded by the nrre an surround

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Speaker 1: We're the circumference is the Antarctic sea wall or a wall? Interesting,

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Speaker 1: that's what Antarctica really is. It's a circumference. It just

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Speaker 1: goes all the way around. Well, you know, I stopped

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Speaker 1: eating bacon that I was forts fed when I was little,

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Speaker 1: and I guess I can change my ways of thinking

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Speaker 1: at an older age as well. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, change my mind. Yeah, yeah, but you kind

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Speaker 1: of have to. When you see things that are proven

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Speaker 1: to you they are you can't deny them unless you

864
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Speaker 1: just want to keep your head in the sand. I've

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Speaker 1: written some books about the stuff and try to educate

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Speaker 1: people about what's really going on and who really runs

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Speaker 1: the world stuff like that. That's where I lose. Nobody

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Speaker 1: wants Nobody wants a wold other conversation. That's yeah, it is,

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Speaker 1: And you know, because nobody wants their worldview challenged. And

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Speaker 1: I tend to do that. And it's not because I

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Speaker 1: want to. I'm just curious about the world and and

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Speaker 1: I'm a trained scientist and researcher, and so I just

873
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Speaker 1: like looking into these things and I can help questions

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Speaker 1: go whoa man, yeah, you can question authority. So anyways

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Speaker 1: all the time, Man, I don't Yeah, you could be

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Speaker 1: punk rock, see that right there, you could beat rock.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, that's right, you know. Somebody says no, yeah,

878
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Speaker 1: I just that's a great conversation for my chair Lift podcast.

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Speaker 1: There we go. I'll be on that too. But anyway, yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much. It's been a pleasure and I've

881
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: had a wonderful time Mitnia and listening to some of

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Speaker 1: your stories. So let's do it again sometimes. With that said,

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Speaker 1: I just want to thank the guys that keep my

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Speaker 1: lights on SOFTWAREP, SOFTWAREP Radio, SOFTWAREP dot com. Thanks a

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Speaker 1: lot for uh, you know, believing in me to hang

886
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: out and talk with Dino tonight. So big shout out

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Speaker 1: to SOFTWAREP dot com and to you, my listener. I

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. If you have any questions or

889
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Speaker 1: comments or you want to ask a question of Dino,

890
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Speaker 1: and there's a place that you can post it up

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00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: on this on YouTube because where we're gonna be at

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Speaker 1: and on SOFTWAREP dot com, feel free to do so.

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Speaker 1: We'll check him. And I just want to say thanks

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Speaker 1: again to my guest Dino Gardner and his book that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be coming out Top Gun and five right. Isn't

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Speaker 1: that what it is? Page coffee table book. Brother, that's

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Speaker 1: what's up. We'll be looking for that. You can check

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Speaker 1: that probably later on on softwarep dot com. My name

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Speaker 1: is Rad, so I'm gonna say peace. You've been listening

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Speaker 1: to self red Radio