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Speaker 1: Well over the official Jets podcast. Eric Ellen here inside

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Speaker 1: the studio, joined by Jets tight ends coach Ron Middleton.

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Speaker 1: It's great to finally have you up here. It's great

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Speaker 1: to be here. I'll tell you. When you told me

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Speaker 1: Ron Middleton is a great golfer out there. And of

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Speaker 1: course it was a fun day. Bears are colden so

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Speaker 1: that helps. That helps, Yeah, it certainly does. Hey, um,

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Speaker 1: how do you leave off your golf game at the

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Speaker 1: end of summer? Um? You know, my golf game is

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Speaker 1: like a roller coach. I think I was having a

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Speaker 1: good day that day with you. Um, I think the

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Speaker 1: next day it went down. So it's the roller coach

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Speaker 1: and I left it at a down, um angle. When

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Speaker 1: I put him in the trunk, it was unfortunately, But hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: though two and old records, so no roller coaster there.

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Speaker 1: How about over the past calendar year? How about that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that'll tell you what both of those were we're really fun. Um.

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Speaker 1: The one against the Jaguars was with the Jaguars for

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Speaker 1: eight years, and I'll tell you to get that opportunity,

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Speaker 1: you know. Um, Coach Solid gave me that opportunity, man,

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Speaker 1: and it was outstanding. And then for the Singing Bowl, Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm. My hometown is fifty miles away from Mobile,

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Speaker 1: think about the social reaction out there from some of

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Speaker 1: your clips speaking to the team, whether it be the

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Speaker 1: Did you get any text messages from a lot of

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Speaker 1: your friends and family friends, Um, family, my daughter, my

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Speaker 1: the the the um um just hit him deal before

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Speaker 1: That phrase? When I went to Duke in um oh eight,

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Speaker 1: Coach Cutcliffe and we after our first practice brought the

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Speaker 1: You know, we want to finished product, but there's steps

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Speaker 1: Undrafted free agent played more than ten years in the

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Speaker 1: Show Football League. You've been coaching for more than twenty years.

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Speaker 1: You coached a lot on the collegiate level before you

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