1 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: Welcome back everyone to I Do Part two. It's your 2 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: hosts Amy and TJ. And we are going to jump 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: right back into our fascinating conversation with Mary Brown from 4 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: Sister Wives. 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: It's one thing to get divorced. 6 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: That's hard enough from one person, but you also got 7 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: divorced from your sister wives in a sense too. Or 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: would it feel like that? How would you describe what 9 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: that transition has been like? These are women who were 10 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: your sister wives, who you lived with, who you worked with, 11 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: and who Yeah, I mean what what? 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 2: What's that relationship? 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: Like? 14 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: A really interesting situation because each one of us need 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 3: to and have the right to live our lives that 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: is authentic to us and live in alignment to us, 17 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 3: right And for me, really embracing the fact and accepting 18 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 3: the fact that what aligns with me is not everybody 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 3: in my family, right. It just doesn't. And it took 20 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 3: me a while to really be able to come to 21 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 3: accept that I don't have to have relationships with everybody 22 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: in the family, nor do I want to. There are 23 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: some that I absolutely choose I will not. It's not 24 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: healthy for me, you know, It's it's just not it's 25 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: not healthy. And so really just kind of embracing that 26 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 3: is heartbreaking on a level, but also it's the best 27 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: for me, and it's the best for them too, you know, 28 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: because I know some of them have I'm not healthy 29 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: for them either, right, And that's okay, that's okay. It 30 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: just because we were in the same family doesn't mean 31 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: we have to spend our whole lives together as friends. 32 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 4: So you and Christine are now don't talk. Okay. That's 33 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 4: so much different from good is there have you? 34 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: But there's like, on my part, I don't know about her. 35 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: On my part, there's no hate. I just don't choose 36 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: to have her in my life. 37 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: You know. 38 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 3: It's just it's not healthy and it's not safe for 39 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: me emotionally. 40 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 4: Well, she agreed that you're the same for her, like 41 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 4: you're not emotionally health and Lena, yeah, I think so. 42 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: I think are just because we have had some really 43 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 3: good times. But I think our values just don't ALIGNE. 44 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: I know our values don't ALIGNE. There's certain things that 45 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 3: I want and I need in a relationship and she 46 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 3: absolutely doesn't have that. And I believe the same thing 47 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: for her. She needs and want certain things in a relationship, 48 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 3: and I don't have that for her, So for us, 49 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 3: I think it's just best to just I mean, we 50 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 3: could be cordial to each other if we ran into 51 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: each other. You know, It's not like we're going to 52 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 3: scratch each other's eyes out or anything like that, but 53 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: we just on a daily basis. We're not going to 54 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: be in others' lives. 55 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 4: I tune in for that though, not kidding. I'm not 56 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 4: advocating for two women going at it physically on a show, 57 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 4: obviously not. I want to ask you have said this 58 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 4: a couple of times about whether it's Cody, whether it's Christine, 59 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 4: that you as what your your principles don't align anymore, 60 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 4: but it sounds like some of youst certainly you and 61 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 4: Cody might have started with the same ones. Am I 62 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 4: hearing right that maybe you have grown in a different 63 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 4: place and you don't want to be where they are anymore. 64 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 4: I'm not saying they don't have growth, but they still 65 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 4: some of their principles and being in religion and spiritual 66 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 4: marriages and all. Did you just grow out of that 67 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 4: community or did they change in some way as well? 68 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: I think that we all have changed in some way, 69 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: and so our paths are just different. Not one is 70 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: better than the other, are just different, and they just 71 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 3: like it just doesn't work. It just doesn't work. And 72 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 3: you know, there was a lot of a lot of 73 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: years that I thought, you know, where I was like 74 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 3: separating myself from the religious structure. It's like, Okay, I 75 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 3: don't believe in in the teachings. I don't believe in 76 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 3: like that whatever it is that they were promoting, especially 77 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 3: even in the polygamy aspect of it. But we're still 78 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 3: a family. To me, it didn't matter the fact that 79 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 3: we however we came together. We are a family now. 80 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: And even though I didn't believe in the church structure, 81 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 3: I didn't believe that well just because we don't believe 82 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: in that we should break up a family. And so 83 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: for me, I felt like and I worked for a 84 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: long time, and I think that Janelle and Christine did 85 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: as well, you know, weren't to make that family structure work. 86 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 3: It's you know, it's not healthy to be in a 87 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 3: relationship where you're not loved, you're not valued. You know, 88 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: when you're told that, you know it was all a 89 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: lie and the he never loved you and everything was 90 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 3: fake anyway, you know what I mean, it's like, well, okay, 91 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 3: then that's not good for me. 92 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, did Cody give you any reason to even want 93 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: to stay? 94 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: If someone says, not only was it a mistake, but 95 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: I never loved you that that's kind of black and white, like, yeah, 96 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: what else would you do with that? 97 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 3: And when he started saying those things that he never 98 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: loved me, and and you know it just like I'm like, 99 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: you know what, I'm worth more than that, and I'm 100 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 3: not going to stay here just for the sake of 101 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: we one time had a marriage, you know what I mean? 102 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: Do you believe that? Do you believe that he never 103 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: loved you? 104 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 3: No, I don't. I think that he loved me to 105 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 3: the best of his ability at that time. And I 106 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 3: think that's one of the things that just changed and shifted. 107 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it did. 108 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: It's I can't even imagine, Like relationships are hard enough anyway, 109 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: but you're bringing other people into the relationship. 110 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: Just the dynamics that that creates, it. 111 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: Does it brings a lot of you know, there's there's 112 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 3: definitely a lot of dynamics. It's funny. So many people 113 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 3: have asked through the years as we've done interviews or 114 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 3: just you know, random people on social media. I don't 115 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: know how you can't be jealous. Nobody said I wasn't. 116 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: Nobody said I wasn't. I've been very jealous. I've had 117 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 3: a lot of emotions, and I haven't necessarily handled my 118 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: emotions the right way, none of them. 119 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,679 Speaker 2: Nobody does. Nobody does. 120 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: You know? 121 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: You do the best that you can in the situation 122 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 3: that you're in. And when you when you what is 123 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,679 Speaker 3: it when you know better? You do better? 124 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 4: You know? 125 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: And it's like, so like we don't. I didn't handle 126 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 3: emotions correct and I feel like I handle my emotions 127 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 3: better now, like I have tools now, like if I 128 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: need a scream, if I need you know, I'm still 129 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 3: going to scream, but it's going to be in my 130 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 3: car alone rather than ask somebody. You know what I mean? 131 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: Yes, that is that is healthy. That is healthy. 132 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 4: Doesn't make the show sound as good. 133 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 3: It doesn't. It doesn't. I don't try the drama. 134 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: So, Mary, I know that you're obviously aware that Christine 135 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: just came out with a memoir. 136 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: Have you read it? Are you going to read it? 137 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: Any desire to read it? 138 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 3: I have not read it and I probably won't. I 139 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 3: I can't say that I lived it with her because 140 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: my life experience was different than her life experience. Because 141 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: of our different life experiences. Even though they were in 142 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: the same life, many of the things that she's I'm 143 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 3: sure talking about we had the same history, we had, 144 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: we lived the same experiences. Our perspectives are completely different. 145 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: And so what she's writing about is her perspective on it, 146 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 3: and it's one hundred percent valid to her, you know 147 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: what I mean. So I don't want to read it 148 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: and be upset potentially at some of the things and 149 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: be like, well, wait a second, that's how it happened, 150 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: because that wouldn't be fair because in my perspective, it 151 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: happened different, or maybe there was a little bit of 152 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 3: a shift or whatever. Right, Like, even in this conversation 153 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 3: that you guys are having with me right now, you're 154 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 3: going to walk away from this conversation, even though we're 155 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: both in it with a different perspective, Right, You're going 156 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 3: to remember different key points because that's what's important to 157 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 3: you about it, and something else is going to be 158 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: different and important to me about it. So when she 159 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 3: and I had these these experiences that were the same, 160 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: we took something different from the experience so it's valid 161 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: for her, one hundred percent valid for her. 162 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 4: Mary, is this definitely a part of your growth? Do 163 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 4: you think anyway, nineteen twenty twenty, even thirty year old 164 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 4: Mary would be able to have a conversation about the 165 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 4: guy she just divorced, and you were saying very kind things. 166 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 4: He's not a bad guy. I believe he loved me. 167 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 4: You didn't have a negative word to say, Christine. Now 168 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 4: writing a book in which he is expected to certainly 169 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 4: bash you in some way, form or fashion. But you 170 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 4: even saying now that you know what that is her 171 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 4: take her perspective and I respect it. What is that? 172 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 4: And how can other people get there? Because that I 173 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 4: didn't know you before? But that sounds like a woman 174 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 4: who has grown. 175 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 3: Thank you. I really appreciate that. I really do, and 176 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: it's something that yes, I've I've had to grow into 177 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 3: this part of me. I really learned that part of 178 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 3: me and that part of humanness that our experiences are different, 179 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 3: even though there's the same, they're different and just allow 180 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 3: other people to have that experience. Right, So, yeah, I 181 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: do think that that is part of my growth. 182 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: I'm curious, Yes, congratulations on that. 183 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: What motivated you to grow what usually people I don't 184 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: see a lot of times people hit rock bottom. They 185 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: get so uncomfortable that it's either stay and suffer or grow. 186 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: Was there a moment like. 187 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: That for you where you had to make that choice? 188 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: I don't know that it was one specific defining moment 189 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 3: obviously ten years ago. Everybody knows my dark my dark 190 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: moments in my life, right, So I had I had 191 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 3: a really dark time in my life, but it had 192 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: been going downhill for a while, like it had. And 193 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: I guess we could say that was maybe my rock 194 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 3: bottom and I needed to figure out how to get 195 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 3: out of that. But I really started, I would say 196 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 3: probably five or six years ago, like you know, I 197 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: had a personal mentor, and I started doing you know, 198 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 3: some business retreats and some personal retreats and just like 199 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 3: figuring me out. And this is before I was even 200 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 3: talking about divorce, right, And I just needed to figure 201 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: out who I was. I wanted to do with my 202 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 3: life separate from my marriage that had, for all intents 203 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 3: and purposes, had been non existent. But I wanted to 204 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: make my life as full as I could, and so 205 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: I started investing in myself, like financially, education, reading, I 206 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 3: read I don't read books. I audible books. Audible is 207 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: so much easier, and I can multitask and drive and 208 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 3: listen to a good book at the same time. And 209 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 3: it's rarely a novel, right Like I don't do novels. 210 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: I do like the personal development or the financial or 211 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: the education, those kinds of things, because I think that 212 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 3: that growth and learning is very important. And I've noticed 213 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 3: that as I put more of that positive into my brain, 214 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 3: then I'm more positive and I'm more you know, like 215 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 3: I have a better outlook on life. You look, you 216 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 3: find what you're looking for. And if you're looking for 217 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 3: the bad and the hate and the anger, and you 218 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 3: know what I mean, if you're looking for that, you're 219 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 3: gonna find it. You will find you will find it. 220 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 4: We just were talking about this yesterday. That's why we're 221 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 4: kind of not Yeah, I don't want. 222 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 3: To find it, like it's there and come across. I'm 223 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 3: not gonna look for it. I know, look for the good. 224 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 4: You know, the growth that you're talking about. And you 225 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 4: use that word investing in myself, and you say even 226 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 4: financially investing in yourself. But we're human beings and we 227 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 4: all have this no matter what an inherent desire for companionship. 228 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 4: How important is it. I know you said you're single, 229 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 4: not not dating anybody exclusively, but I know it's still 230 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 4: pretty recent from your spiritual divorce. But right now sitting here, 231 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 4: how important is it to you to have a partner, 232 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 4: to have a life partner, a companion? 233 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 3: It is very important to me. It's something that I want. 234 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 3: I would love to have a companion, somebody that I 235 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 3: can just you know, shoot a text to or you know, 236 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: come home but to at the end of the night 237 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: and just just have my person. But it's not so 238 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 3: important to me that I will let go of myself 239 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 3: to find it. So I just I feel like that 240 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 3: my person will attract to me when the time is right, 241 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 3: and when the person is right, you know. And I'm like, 242 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna just take anybody. 243 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 4: What advice would you have for a listener or not 244 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 4: someone who finds themselves starting over, but someone starting out. 245 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 4: You were nineteen when you got married, You went through 246 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 4: so much growth and you're a different person. Now, what 247 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 4: would you tell somebody who's nineteen, twenty twenty one, twenty two, 248 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 4: a young woman who is not quite done developing? What 249 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 4: would you what advice would you give or even warning 250 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 4: signs if that's what it called, but even encouragement maybe 251 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 4: to not be in a position to where you end 252 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 4: up forty fifty and go, ah, this is who I 253 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 4: am and this is who I have grown into and 254 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 4: now I'm starting over. You do you know what I'm saying? 255 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 4: How can or is it even possible? Brof you could 256 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 4: tell me this as well, that's not how it works. 257 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 4: You got to go through that hell and maybe that's 258 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 4: it both through life. You got to go through it. 259 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 3: You have to. You have to. You have to own it, 260 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 3: you have to embrace it, and you have to you 261 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: have to excuse to do it. You have to screw up, 262 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 3: and you're nobody's going to listen to any advice at 263 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 3: anybody else. I mean, it's so true. It's a good point, 264 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 3: but they have they have to live it. Like people 265 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 3: ask me all the time. Do you regret marrying Cody? 266 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 3: Do you regret polygamy? Do you regret TV show? Do 267 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: you regret you know? Your sister wives? And no, I 268 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 3: don't regret any of it because I am who I 269 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 3: am today because of those experiences, I might be a 270 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 3: very well likely would be a different person, and I 271 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 3: might have liked that person had I not gone through 272 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: those experiences, but I will never know what that person 273 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 3: would be without those experiences. But I really really like 274 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 3: who I am, and so one hundred percent I don't 275 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 3: regret those experiences because it made me who I am. 276 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: So I think if if we can look at our 277 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: lives like it's just an experience. And you know, I 278 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: was talking to somebody recently and she was like, yeah, 279 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 3: but I don't know which decision to make on the situation, 280 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 3: and it's like, well, just make one, it doesn't matter. 281 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: But what if I choose the wrong one, then you 282 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: make a different decision after that. You're not going to 283 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 3: know it's the wrong one until you do it and 284 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 3: you get into it, and maybe neither of them are wrong. 285 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 3: They're just going to take you on different paths. 286 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 4: Yep. 287 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 3: It's just where are you going to go with it? 288 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 3: What are you going to do with it? 289 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: You get to a certain place in your life and 290 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: it clicks, it all makes sense. I'm curious with the 291 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: journey you had on Sister Wives, did you get any 292 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: lasting friendships like sisterhood? Any of the sister wife and 293 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: you have a bond that can't be broken. How would 294 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,119 Speaker 1: you describe like, Uh, now, we don't. 295 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 3: Know no one, no. 296 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: Did you have hopes that that could change in the future. 297 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: I am always open to healing relationships. I am always 298 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 3: open to having the heart conversations, because conversations are going 299 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 3: to have to be hard, especially in our family, if 300 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 3: we want to move forward and heal anything and have 301 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 3: any sort of relationship, They're going to have to be 302 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 3: heard conversations because I have my boundaries now that I 303 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: didn't used to have. And I think that's one of 304 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 3: the things that some of the people in my family 305 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 3: are recognizing about me, that I have boundaries and I'm 306 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 3: not going to lay over and be walked all over anymore. 307 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 3: I've always had I've always had a very strong voice, 308 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 3: but I know how to use it now. 309 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 4: Always had a strong voice. We heard that about to you. 310 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 4: If somebody keeps telling us you're a lot, we heard it. 311 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 4: We heard it from you. So you're telling us you 312 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 4: and Robin, you and Janelle those relationships, you know said 313 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 4: not great now? But how much are we going to 314 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 4: see any difficult conversations in the upcoming season? What do 315 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 4: we see? 316 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: I think we'll see some interactions and you know, maybe 317 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 3: a little bit of healing and maybe a little bit 318 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 3: of struggles, because I mean, if we're not doing that, 319 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 3: then we're not cinceterized, you know what I mean. 320 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 4: Don't last fifteen seasons by having high tea. 321 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: Conflict cells, that is for sure. Do you want to 322 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: get married again? 323 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 3: I would love to get married, Yes I would, but 324 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 3: only to the right person. That's for me. I'm not 325 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 3: going again. I'm not going to just jump into a 326 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 3: marriage that just because I want to have a marriage, right, 327 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 3: Like this person is like, well, we'll figure things out. 328 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 3: We'll figure out if the we're the right person, you know, 329 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 3: like Cody and I jumped into our marriage really quickly, 330 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 3: and like I knew him for two months at the 331 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 3: time that we got engaged, and then we're engaged for 332 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 3: four months, you know what I mean, like six months 333 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 3: from the time we met to the time we got married. 334 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 3: I'm not doing that again. 335 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: I have a similar experience. Yes, and we were both 336 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,239 Speaker 1: child brides and grooms. So we get it. We get it. 337 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 2: You just you don't know what you don't know. 338 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 4: We want to clear that up. 339 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 3: I think that for me, coming from a religious culture, 340 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 3: that really promoted and taught you get married quick, because 341 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, that's the thing to do. You 342 00:18:58,480 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 3: want to get married and then you want to have 343 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 3: all these babies and then you know your exaltation is set, 344 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And so that's really what 345 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: they taught in our church culture, and that's not what 346 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 3: I agree with. Now. 347 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,479 Speaker 4: So Mary, you said you wanted to Definitely you had 348 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 4: a quick answer, Yes, want to get married again. So 349 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 4: let us know and on this look on I do 350 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 4: part two on this podcast, we have made some love connections. 351 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 4: Now I'm not saying we're going to put your number 352 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 4: out there too, huh So yeah, So what I'm saying is, Mary, 353 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 4: you have an opportunity. I am curious. What are you 354 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 4: looking for? What type of guy? Characteristics, background, height, whatever, 355 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 4: What are you looking for? 356 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm looking for a very nice, charismatic man who's 357 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 3: very confident in who he is, not cocky, but confident. 358 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 3: Somebody who knows who he is, is successful in business, 359 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: whether it's his own or or he works for somebody. 360 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 3: I don't care if somebody successful and matches my energy 361 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 3: like I travel, he doesn't have to travel with me, 362 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 3: but I would love for him to travel with me sometimes, 363 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 3: but I would love for him to be okay if 364 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 3: I have to go do work and be okay with 365 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 3: me not around, you know, but also can cheer me 366 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 3: on in my business building and my ventures and allow 367 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 3: me to cheer him on in his as well. They 368 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 3: don't have to be the same, but we need to 369 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 3: support each other. 370 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 4: She just described me perfectly in describing what she wants, 371 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 4: except for the cocky and confident. I'm more cocky than confident. 372 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 4: That's where you lost me. Yeah, nobody would have confident. 373 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: He's cocky, but just the right amount of cocky, just 374 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: enough to be like, that's interesting. 375 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 2: Why is he so? 376 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: Why does he like himself so much? Maybe I should 377 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: find out? Would you date younger? I highly suggest just 378 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: having lived that. 379 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 3: Okay, you know what, My best friend is always telling 380 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 3: me that it's okay to go younger, And there's like 381 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 3: a certain cutoff where it's what's your cut off officially, cougar? 382 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. So I'm fifty four. I'm closer to 383 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 3: fifty five now than I am to fifty four. But 384 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 3: it's really weird for me to think about dating somebody 385 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 3: who's fifty because like, oh, and that's like four years. 386 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: We have a four and a half year aged I'm 387 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: four and a half years older than TJ. 388 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 2: I'm fifty two and he just turned forty eight. 389 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 4: And it's weird. Mary, it's weird to be with it. 390 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 3: Yet I can see how it would be. 391 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 4: No, well, you say, I thought you were going to 392 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 4: say like thirty. 393 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: Eight or something, because you were talking about your like 394 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: matched energy. And I will tell you I just from 395 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: my experience, I've I've gone older, I've had the same. 396 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: This is my first time with a young man, and 397 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: our energies are very much aligned in a way that 398 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: they weren't before. 399 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 3: Okay, well, you guys seem to have a good vibe, 400 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 3: so that's cool. Maybe I'll maybe I'll be open to 401 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 3: you know, maybe four or five years younger. We'll see 402 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 3: what happens. But I don't know a forty. 403 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 4: Year old totally saying, don't be closed off to it. 404 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 4: And it's true. You can meet some thirty eight year 405 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 4: old men who aren't even close to your youthful energy. 406 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 4: It's possible. And then you meet a fifty five year 407 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 4: old guy who could you know, run circles around you. You 408 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 4: never know, So just you never know. 409 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 3: So I'm definitely not like I mean, you know, there's 410 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 3: values and there's like the energy and things like that 411 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 3: that I'm definitely looking for. But I'm not like closing 412 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 3: anything off, Like I'm open to options. 413 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 2: So I love that. 414 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: I love that, and I will tell you it freaked 415 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: me out at first. Two he was laugh at me. 416 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: I was like, does it not like you know, you 417 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: could absolutely date someone ten years younger than you and 418 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: you know now you're going up almost five years, and 419 00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: so you start to think. 420 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: But it did freak me out at first. 421 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 4: Freak me out too, freak me out nightly, to be honest. 422 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 4: But no, Mary, we do a segment here, a thing 423 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 4: we call love Stories where we interview couples and just 424 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 4: ask all of them the exact same questions and it 425 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 4: doesn't matter what their backgrounds are. You find this commonality 426 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 4: in relationships. It would be an honor to one day 427 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 4: if we could get you back with your possible partner 428 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 4: for that love story series. So just throw that out there. 429 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 4: We'll keep an eye on you. 430 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, keep your eye on me, and I get a partner, 431 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 3: invite you back. 432 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 2: Well, Mary, you know what, we really appreciate this. 433 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: We know you obviously have lived a fairly open life, 434 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: you know, in front of the camera and living a 435 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: life that most people are curious about or even judge. 436 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: So I just think it's awesome when you're willing to 437 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: be vulnerable and just say, hey, here's what I do, 438 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: here's what I did, and here's what I learned. So 439 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: it does have an impact on so many people. So 440 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: we're rooting for you. We are rooting. We always root 441 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: for love, but we believe that there is someone out 442 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: there for you and you're gonna find each other. I 443 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: really do think that. So anyway, we're appreciate. I know 444 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: the people listening who are searching for love as well. 445 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: The whole point of the podcast is for folks who 446 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: maybe didn't get it right the first time, but are 447 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: still walking that path towards love. So you fit that 448 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: bill perfectly, and I hope you've inspired a lot of 449 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: people who. 450 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 2: Are listening today. 451 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: So make sure to check out the new season of 452 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: Sister Wives. It premieres on Sunday, September twenty eighth on TLC. 453 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: And if you are trying to date for the first 454 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: time in your chapter two, this is the podcast for you, 455 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: so you can call us, you can email us. All 456 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: the info is in the show notes because we want 457 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: to help you find your partner in life. So you 458 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: can follow us on social media. Make sure to rate 459 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: and review the podcast as well. I do Part two, 460 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: an iHeart podcast where falling in love is the main objective. 461 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Robock alongside TJ. 462 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: Holmes. 463 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: Mary. 464 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,479 Speaker 4: Thank you. It is such a pleasure go luck this season. 465 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you both. It's been fun. I really enjoyed 466 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 3: the conversation. MHM.