WEBVTT - #114 - Dom Kennedy 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:09.879 Bulet cav Show Special guests in here got the homie, 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:12.280 Don Kennedy Mane. That's right, that's right with it, Oh 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:16.680 bule Cave got to be here. Yeah, Hey, so talk 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.120 about man. First of all, you've been on a run, 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:21.959 a very underrated run the last few years between the 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.239 half a Meal Shit Out last year and From the 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.280 West Side with Love three. Yeah, this is like your baby, 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.280 this series. Yeah, it's kind of the I remember the 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:34.040 first time I heard nineteen ninety seven. Yeah, just this 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:37.360 is kind of like the original was what really put 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:42.479 you on the map? Exactly? Why now have dropped part three? 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:45.000 Because Part two was what twenty eleven, twenty eleven, First 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:49.159 one twenty ten, twenty eleven, twenty twenty one. Man, just 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:51.360 the ups and downs of the music game, you know 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.200 what I'm saying, loving it, being in love with it, 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:57.960 you know, having some successes, you know, being underrated, getting 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:01.720 too the label stage, taking meetings, you know, and just realizing, 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.720 like like you said, my passion is from the west 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:09.000 I would love you know, one of my staple you know, 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:11.160 I don't know. Somebody asked me one day, if you 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.119 had a book about your life, what would you call it? 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:14.759 And I was like, from the West, I would love 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:18.440 you know what I'm saying, and so as I'm you know, 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.640 after working with here boy, let's say maybe twenty eighteen, 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.440 twenty seventeen, twenty nineteen. Last year, I put out Rap 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:28.120 and Roll. You know, I kind of kept the songs 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.160 that I do a hit separate from songs that I 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:32.840 create on my own with other producers. And then we 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.399 started working and I did a couple of solo songs 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.000 and I told him like, man, you know, he was 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.160 really inspiring me in like a different way with my music. 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:42.920 And I told him, like, you know what I think 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:44.839 I could make from the West? I would love three 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:47.200 you know, and I need your help, you know. And 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:48.960 that was kind of the beginning of it. And I 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.080 was like a year and a half ago. You know. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:55.960 It's crazy the just the relationship that you guys musically 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:58.640 have put on paper the last few years. Yeah, whether 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.720 it's the half a meal shit or whether it's like 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:05.200 I feel like hearing you on records with like nas 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.080 like just's certain shit that like you never thought you 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.760 would ever hear. And I feel like like like one 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.800 day we'll look back at like the last few years 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.239 that hip boys had and just the magic that's coming 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.960 out of his studio, the relationships that are happening, and man, 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.320 you know the shit he's doing with Sean, she's doing 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.800 withs doing with you, and I just think it's real special, 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:28.880 Like what's that energy like over there? Because at any 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.240 time you go over to hit spot, like you never 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:32.760 know who's gonna be in the studio, never knows. And 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.600 he's brings so many worlds together that wouldn't be together, yeah, 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.560 never know, brings so many from you know, producers to engineers, 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.480 like the engineer work were now built, the relationship through 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:46.080 working with it, you know, and several artists even collapse 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.600 that's never come out or you know, we never done 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.639 any music. You know, people like Anderson Pat you know 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.639 what I mean, Like people like Sweetie, you know what 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.440 I mean. Like they'll literally be in a studio on 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:58.360 a random day, you know what I'm saying, and the 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.080 collaborations is open. So you hear me with like Quinn 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.520 Miller or like Nahs for instance, on the courtesy I 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.720 have for mil those is just coming from everybody just 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.680 building me on Big Sean album, you know that that's 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.880 coming from us eating together, sharing music sharing ideas somebody 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.560 playing Sean maybe playing a verse and an me being 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.639 like I could try so I could add something to that, 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.000 you know, and end up on his album, you know 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:24.639 what I'm saying. But that's all directly related around here, boy, 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:26.480 Like he's like the sun, you know what I mean, 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.320 the solar system, and we all are planets, but we 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:33.240 all moving around Bro's energy and his spirit, you were, 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.960 and Burden of Proof too, right, I was, exactly And 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:37.920 that's like something that nobody like I would never ever 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.720 think that Benny would be on a record. I never 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.560 had no relationship with nobody. Shout to Benny the butcher 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:47.280 Man obviously super talented, you know East Coast MC, but 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.320 it's no connection there outside of here. Boy, you know, 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.120 that's all what I'm doing an album with Bennie. He's 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.560 six seven songs in, that's what's up. I'm listening to 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.600 it like damn bro Hard. You know, he coming in 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:03.480 every day working, listening the beats, just sit His process 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.200 was different. So in the instance of that song that 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.320 I'm on, you know, just seeing how he took his 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.240 time just mentally writing. He didn't write nothing down, but 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.840 he would just walk around listen to the song and 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:17.480 then I'm like, again, like, y'all I could contribute. That's 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.520 a big factor for me. That's one thing that me 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.359 and he always talk about. It's like, whether it's a 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.640 Dom Kennedy song or not, I always got something I 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.160 could contribute, even if it's just insight, even if it's 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.400 four bars a bars whatever, I always have something to contribute. 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.560 And just being in that environment and people knowing who 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.680 I am I think as well obviously, you know, allows 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.000 me to them to be like, yeah, go ahead, you 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:40.760 know what I mean. And then like in the case 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.040 of that Benie song, just dropping that hook and then 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.480 being like, dang shit hard, you know what I mean, 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.160 And the next thing I know, it's out and people 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.560 like I heard you on being a Butcher album. Yeah, 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:51.480 that's what's up, you know what I mean. You talked 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:55.560 about being like underappreciated, underrated. Yeah, I feel like your 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.400 whole career that's kind of been the story right now. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.240 You said that, I didn't feel that you just you 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:04.200 say that. I don't know you said that. You said, 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.880 but what is the like for you? Yeah, I feel 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:09.520 like you've kind of been the people's champ at LA 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.160 for your whole career, you know what I'm saying, And 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:18.120 you have like an extremely hardcore fan base that just 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.480 fucks with you, and they fuck with you over all 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.880 this time. Like we think it's been eleven years since 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.040 the first from the West Side would Love. Yeah, put 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.920 my first project out in twenty two thousand and eight. Man, 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.720 so I've been in it for a minute, Yeah for sure, 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.480 thirteen plus at least. You know, what do you think 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:39.960 is like, you know the reason why maybe you might 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.120 still be a little underrated or why you still kind 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:45.000 of fly under the commercial radar a bit. Well, I 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:49.479 never embraced fully commercial success. You know, never tastes like 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:54.599 fully commercial approval. I don't want to say records, because 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.720 to me, a song is just a song, right, you 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:58.440 know what I'm saying. It's certain things that you have 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:02.520 to do obviously if you want, you know, maximum spins 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:04.720 and exposure and to fit into you know what they 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:08.200 call now playlist, but just fully never embracing you know, 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.640 one of my homies that really know me, he taught 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:12.520 me a couple of years ago, like, man, he felt 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.680 like I kind of did everything, but like embrace the 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.080 rap game. I was gonna say, you feel like you're 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:19.839 in the rap game, but you're kind of like an outsider, 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.680 right exactly, and you're like peace with that. I'm sure, yeah, 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:26.560 for sure. But yeah, and that just him saying that 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.560 kind of made it more more like put it on 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.599 my conscious more to like, I don't want to be 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:36.279 a anti you know, the rap game. So it's not 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.400 like I'll go out my way to embrace it or 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.880 do things even like the features that we just was 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.240 talking about and things like that. But that's probably things 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.240 four or five years ago I probably wouldn't even I 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.600 was gonna say, old Dom like I felt like, like 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.720 seeing you on all these albums, I just wouldn't have 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.359 been available, right, you know, for stuff like that. But 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:56.400 just understanding my position in it and how important it 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.719 is to myself and others like and once my real 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.440 you know, I want somebody that really love you and 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.440 know you, you know, pre the rap game and all 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.000 that really tells you something like that you gotta listen, 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.200 you know, And so I did. I did take it 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.920 to heart, and I began, like, you know, just examining everything, 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.160 just helping more people and myself even you know, where 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:20.120 I could Yeah, No, I think like you obviously as 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.320 far as like you had other opportunities to write, because 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:26.119 I know there was a point in time where everyone 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.080 was trying to sign you ye at the peak of MMG. 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.720 I know you guys had conversations like what was like 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:35.080 were you always just like yo, I'm gonna do it 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.800 with the OPM way like I'm you know, like why 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:39.920 did you never really take that bigger step as far 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.960 as like never owner, shit was never on the table. 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.960 And I always more than anything more than being a celebrity, 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:51.040 more than being super rich off for you know, whatever 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.160 they could offer me in any way, I always wanted 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:57.080 to be a CEO, you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.280 I always wanted to be a CEO. I always thought 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.280 of myself as a CEO. And I always felt like 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.800 I was smarter than just what the microphone and the 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.800 instrumental had to offer, you know, and and and my 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.360 only thing was it wasn't a fear I had. But 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.920 I never wanted to just be the menuce Like as 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:15.920 good as I could be as a rapper, as an artist, 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.680 I never just wanted to just be that. You know, 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.240 that would have felt like a failure to me automatically, 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.920 Like if you try. If I had a room full 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.520 of plaques and like a power full of money like 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:31.120 looney like uh dug tails and I was just a rapper, 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.120 I would still feel bad because you're not fulfilled because 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:37.720 I was. Yeah, it would exactly. I would just be disposable, 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.560 you know, artists based off of whatever song I was. 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.400 People dem was tight high at the time, and that 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.040 would be it, you know, and I would be just 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.360 chasing that. How how serious were those talks because I 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.559 remember Roster talked to you and Nip at that time 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:55.760 and Wizard time. Yeah, how seriously those talks? Well, well mmg, 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:00.199 that was more like obviously I was a lot younger 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.360 than I was still in man, was a big fan 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.120 of Rick Ross, you know what I mean, And so 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:08.520 that was more predicated on, you know, somebody that was 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.079 heavy in the game and still is, and somebody like 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.439 myself who was up and coming, who hoped to be 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:15.840 you know, get good at this shit, get great at 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.839 this and just trying to learn, you know, like from them. 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.760 I had other situations with major labels that was a 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:27.559 lot closer to being a real you know situation. But again, 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:31.240 when it came down to ownership and to OPM being 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.720 represented the right way in the deal and never really 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.280 sat right with me. They never really saw the full 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:41.600 full potential of like what it was that I wanted 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.640 to do and what we was capable of doing. So again, 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.840 it was easy for me to say no because if 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:48.920 all I was gonna be diminished to it was like 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.400 an artist on trial. I had passed that all the 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:54.679 artists that they was trying to do that with, I 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.520 had did more shows than them already, you know what 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.920 I'm saying, Like I had soho more T shirts than 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.040 them already, you know, like we was doing venues. Like 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.920 I wasn't interested in none of that. You know, I 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.800 was not genuinely in my heart, I was never really 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.360 interested in any of that. What would be some advice 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.760 you would give to like a bubbling artist because obviously 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.320 you came up in a different era when I mean, 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.439 I really feel like it was kind of like peak 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.959 blog era too. Dope, it's not right, you know what 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:26.400 I'm saying. I was starting out and were first getting notice. Yep, 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.240 it's coming out of that. It was pretty music. Yeah, 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.120 it was a different time, and I also thought it 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.200 was dope because there were so many curators that really 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.760 had power because like maybe shake and mech fuck with 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.800 you over here. So if they post you like rap 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:41.160 rate on my you know what I mean. It was 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:45.000 Now it's like very few people in charge of these 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.960 playlists that can make or break people's careers. But at 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.880 the same time, like there's other ways to build an 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.880 organic following and to monetize being an artist if you 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.319 could figure out how to get those fans to you know, 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.800 spend money with you. But in twenty twenty one, what 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:01.960 be some advice you would give to some upcoming artists 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.880 that are kind of bubbling, like just to kind of 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.120 you know, whether or not it's to stay independent or 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.719 to sign or just some things. Man, Now it's a 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.040 different game. You know, it would depend on what you 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.960 what you are intent was coming in. You know, mine 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.360 tent was to build a label. I was inspired by 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:22.400 Jay Prince, Master, p sug Knight, Sean Combs, Russell Simmons, 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.520 people like that. That was the type of legacy regardless 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:27.719 of if anybody wanted to box me in as just 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:29.760 you know, in a blog air rapper. That's how I 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.679 honestly saw myself in my label, you know, and I'm 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.480 still working towards that right now. So if you're an 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.800 artist coming in right now, you might need a label 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.520 to push your record because, like you said, it's so 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.400 many gatekeepers now in the game, and so in the twist, 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.319 I can't like, I don't see too many people that 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.240 could do what I do. That's just being honest. That's 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.160 just being honest, you know what I mean. Like, I'm 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.840 not gonna sugarcoat it like I never did back then, 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.520 and I don't especially right now, because to do what 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.319 I do, you have to be really great, you have 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.400 to have a lot of you know. That's why I 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.199 only really fucked with Nip coming up right, because he 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.520 the only one that had the courage and you know 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.880 what I'm saying, the talent and to back it up, 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:09.760 you know, and to go out there, like how we 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.120 was talking before this, when you gotta go out in 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.040 your hometown and do your thing and around the country 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.599 as well, around the world as well, and represent you 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:19.319 know what I'm saying that let people see that. And 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.480 it's like, if you can't do that, if you're not 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.120 willing to do that without no machine behind you, you 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:27.760 can't play in my game. You can't playing. It's impossible. 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.280 It's impossible, you know what I mean. I did it 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.960 a couple of times, you know, multiple times, and it's 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.120 like I would not lie to somebody and tell them, 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:43.000 like follow my footsteps, because not everybody's path, not at all. 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.000 You know, a lot of them they need the system. Yeah, 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:47.600 because if you don't got the system behind you, then 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:49.400 you got to really depend on yourself. You gotta be 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.480 willing to take risks of the exact people. You gotta 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.160 have money, you gotta have insight, you gotta be able 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.600 to you know, whether through a whole couple of seasons, 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.559 maybe just grinding it out with great produce, you know, 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:03.200 me and Me and Nip in the studio with mic 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.599 and kids for eight months. Them days is over, you 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.280 know what I'm saying, Like we had great producers, we 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.880 had great ideas, but that led us to the victories 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:15.040 into the better days later. But it's like a lot 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.800 of people they can't they can't weather that. They want 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:19.960 instant results, you know what I mean. It took us 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:23.640 years of believing in ourselves and working on what we 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.040 thought was good to be able to present it to 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.079 the world. You know, I don't see that type of 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.080 patience right people. Yeah, the patients is kind of out 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.280 the window these days. Yeah, people want results. Yeah, they 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.360 want to put out a song and you know, just gratification. Yeah, 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.520 go viral and do their thing, and that's all good. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:43.600 But that that type of response takes like a system 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:45.839 without it, ye know, that kind of response takes a 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.320 bag exactly. Take. Yeah, it takes like a machine. It does. 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.920 And I wouldn't lie to a kid and tell them like, oh, 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:53.960 you could do this or you could achieve these type 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.480 of numbers. Are these type of results without that, because 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.199 otherwise you're hitting the lottery if you Because it happens, 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:03.439 but it happens very seldomly, right, like somebody independently gets 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.280 a TikTok record to go. You know what I'm saying. 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:07.560 It's like hitting a lot of low key right. Yeah. 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.959 You mentioned like how you obviously you and Nip's relationship 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.720 was you know, a great one one that was very 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:17.720 important to hip hop. You guys put out incredible records together. 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.440 You guys were peers for I feel like you guys 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.840 kind of career wise were parallel to each other the 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.880 whole time. What was it about Nip from the Jump 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.720 that you guys just kind of saw each other as 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:32.680 you know, like he's one of me. You know what 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.040 I'm saying, Like you built the same way tape. Just 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.040 the neighborhood, you know what I'm saying, where Nip comes from. 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.480 I know that area well, you know La Meurt Park 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.240 is down the street. You know, this is all actual effectuals, 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.480 not just rap, you know. And we got a lot 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.520 of the same homies and know a lot of the 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.120 same people coming up. I didn't know nib growing up, 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:54.280 but immediately when I saw him, you know, doing what 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.000 he was going to do in the music business, I 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.920 understood it because I had that type of heart at 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.360 as well. You know, I had that type of heart 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:06.000 as well, and I knew that immediately upon discovering him, 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.600 that this was somebody that I was going to work 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:14.480 with and you know, our our our careers would be 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.680 intertwined in a way, you know, and I chose, and 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.880 I chose to make it a good story, you know, 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.560 immediately even before I met him, you know, and so 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.440 you know, just meeting him, I thought, like, you know, 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.280 he was brilliant. He was serious about what he was 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.640 going to do. I could tell that at a young age. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.480 And the most important thing I loved was the structure 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.200 of the business. I love you know, Black Sam, you 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:44.240 know Panietzche, you know household names, Jay Rock, you know 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.400 Fats rest in peace. You know. These was like copy supreme. 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.040 These was like people that he really loved and worked 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.560 with and they all respected each other. And I thought 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:57.520 that I wanted my friends and my family to see that, 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:00.600 because that's why I wanted, you know, I wanted us 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.080 to be And eventually we had separate CRUs He had 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:06.560 all money in I have OHPM. But you know, when 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.680 we got together, it was always like a family thing. 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.040 You know. We had shows together where you know, his 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.960 family will be selling merch, My family will be selling merch, 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.120 simple as that, you know, trading secrets side by side 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.960 on you know, new technologies and things like that, things 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.720 that people never really saw right, you know, And that 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.560 was like those were the most important things to me, 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:30.440 you know what, I mean, to be there for him 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.520 when he was trying to make something of his career 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.120 when people maybe didn't believe in it. But I knew 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.360 how talented and how special that he was for sure. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.160 It's just it's an art to this all, you know, 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:44.760 and trying to get people to fill that through music 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.640 is not easy, you know, No, it's definitely. I feel 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.040 like you guys are always going to be synonymous with 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.840 each other in terms of just the classic record y'all got, 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.760 yeah for sure. And I just feel like, you know, 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:02.240 out of la from like twenty ten on, like you 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.639 guys were built for the longevity. Like if you think 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:06.080 about all the artists that came up during that era, 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.240 obviously it's Kendrick j. Rock, but you guys kind of 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:15.280 feel like you guys kind of embody ownership, yeah, boss shit. Accountability, yeah, 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.960 for sure. Accountability. We used to talk about it a lot. 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:19.919 You know, it was worse that I was thrown around, 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:22.800 you know. And the great thing about it is now 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.080 we inspired a lot of artists that's out right now 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.680 doing the thing. And that's the most incredible part is 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.880 that all those times that we were sitting around trying 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.000 to make songs and inspire people and you know, find 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.600 our fans and our voices, and it's like, now people 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.520 really appreciate it, you know, And we probably didn't get 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:43.960 that then, and we wasn't any for the glory or 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.639 the credit immediately, so it didn't really matter. But I 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.520 think the beautiful thing is like all the artists that's 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.280 out right now that's having their career and having the 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.320 way with it was the ones that I was inspired 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:56.920 and listening to the things that we was putting out. 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.880 You know, when we was doing our thing was like this, Uh, 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:03.960 I know that there was supposed to be like some 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.000 sort of supergroup with you nip and was a YG 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.359 look but yeah, yeah, yeah, you know about that. Okay, 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:15.080 so like this like nipsy YG dumb. Yeah. I remember 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.760 like like hearing that this was like a real thing 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.119 that was supposed to happen. Yeah, it was talks about it. 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.520 What what ended up happening with that? And like how 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.959 far along did those talks get. I remember we had 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.119 a couple of phone conversations about it, like everybody had 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:32.879 to get on the phone, you know, a couple of people. 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.680 I think they just was surprised at that time and 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:40.159 wanted to hear everybody's voice together to agree with it, 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:42.800 because it was like speculation. I don't even know who 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.600 first presented or came up with it, but yeah, it was. 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:47.520 It was a little time where that was like on 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.000 the table and I remember we had maybe one or 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.200 two phone calls about it where we were all on 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.200 the conference call just in agreement with it and just 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:58.119 you know, they just working out. Nah. I mean, I 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.399 think that all those career was just going in different 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.440 trajectories at that time. And that was one of the 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:06.760 things because we never even really got in and made 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:08.879 no songs or like made no plans. It was just 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.480 all like talks, That's what I was gonna say. It 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.280 was like, so there was no music that was not 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.879 damn no, it was no like official sessions for that 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.920 at all. In any way. Do you do you still 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.840 have unreleased records with Nip that may or may not 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:28.080 see the light of day one day? Me personally, I 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.159 don't not that I could think of. No. Every single 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.679 thing that I'm saying, I'm sure that there are songs 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:37.480 that you know, either myself, Mike and Keys, they got 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:39.479 all the music, you know, they got some shit, they 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:41.720 got all the ship. Yeah, So I'm not saying that 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.919 people won't. But it's nothing that I have that I'm like, oh, 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.320 I'm saving this for this, you know, or like I 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:49.440 have it for this, or Nip did a verse or 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:52.480 drop like, Nah, I don't have anything like that. Double 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:54.840 Up is obviously one of the highlights of Victory Lap. 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:59.000 What can you tell us about your your rolling that 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.960 record and how that came out? Man, that was a 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:06.160 beautiful evening man Nip had. You know, he was working 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.960 on this album. We went from like you know, on 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:10.760 the come up and in the times where we was 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.440 really working together. We worked together heavy, like damn near 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:16.440 every day for like a couple of years, all the time, 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.720 you know. And then when they got the deal with 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:22.640 Atlantic and I was doing other stuff. I had traveled 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.440 and did a couple of tours, and I hadn't really 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.640 seen Nip as much for like a little window besides 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:31.359 like shows. He came to one of my festivals in Anaheim, 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:34.560 might have been dand Night, I don't know, at the 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.680 Angel Stadium. I think that that was a big one. Yeah, 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:41.760 he came out and showed up for me. And then 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:43.640 a little bit after that, you know, he was working 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:45.639 on an album the whole time though. That's one thing 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:49.800 I could say, like it was always focused, like about 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.960 that album and being adamant about it coming out one day. 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:55.520 How it was because I remember having conbos with him 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:59.120 years ago and him playing me songs that was still 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.680 on our idea. That was, you know, way before that 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:06.280 album came out, so you know, in the midst of 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:08.720 all of that, you know, I would see Bro and 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.639 he was like, man, come, I got I want to 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:14.439 play the album. He was he was camped out at 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:19.320 uh what's the spot off Vine, you know Paramount. He 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:21.280 used to have his whip right there and pair on 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.400 the curb. Everybody know that. Knowing, I went up there 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:26.200 one day and he was like, yeah, you know, the 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:29.119 music done. I'm just vibing, just listening, showing my support. 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:31.240 He was getting tatted. It was funny because I remember 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:34.639 he was getting blasted the big All Money in on 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:36.520 that was a part of the rollout. He took his 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:38.480 shirt off a lot on the campaign. So I was 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:40.359 there to night he was getting blasted and he was 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:44.520 playing me songs and he was like, man, really, I 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:47.440 just got one verse song that I really really love 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:51.720 that I haven't did two verses, but that could make 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:54.480 the album. Man. He played it and I just went 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:56.680 right in the booth and I remember he was getting tatted. 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:58.520 He was smiling, just looking at me, you know what 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:00.680 I mean, recording it. I never get that. And I 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:02.440 could just see him through the window and he was 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:04.159 like listening to what I was saying and he was 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:07.679 getting tatted and it was just a cool night. Man. 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:09.840 And the next time I really heard the song, I 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.760 really found out, you know, how it went down was 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:17.440 really when they released, being at the release party, yeah, exactly, 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:20.160 and then hearing you know, exactly what Belly had added 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:22.680 to it and just the final project, man, and I 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.280 just thought it was like the highest quality, you know, 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:27.680 not that that's nothing, that's what I expect from it, 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:31.520 but I was really floored by how well, you know, 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:34.040 he was able to weather the storm and really get 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:36.520 his vision all the way out on the highest level. Man. 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:39.800 I'll forever be proud of him for that. Yes, it 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:42.080 might be my favorite song, Victory Lap, It's one of them. 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:45.080 But it's crazy because like I just think, like, what 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:47.600 if Nip was still here and he was over there 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:50.480 at Chialdie with what's going on a hip boy spot 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:53.159 like him in the middle. That's what I'm saying, Like 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:56.680 they just forgetting, they were just getting there. They're they're like, 0:22:56.800 --> 0:23:01.879 you know what I'm saying, Like, just imagine, I know 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:03.760 I think about it every day. Man. I was the 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:06.160 last place I saw him and spoke to him at 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:11.320 and Hey Boy Studio finishing racks in the Middle. 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Let's get back to the interview. 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:28.640 You got to help me understand, man, When or how 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:33.600 can we get the original on the DSPs and the 0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:37.919 yellow album on THEES? Okay, those those are real expensive. 0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:40.200 I say that a lot my fans know because of 0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:43.960 all the features and example, clear no disrespect to that 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.680 Pith and right, and they're at off man. They have 0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:48.800 nothing to do with it. But I'm just saying that 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:52.240 if I don't want to listen to or, I gotta 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:54.639 pull up the YouTube. Recently, I just almost been like, 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:57.240 you know, fuck it and let's just take our shot 0:24:57.320 --> 0:25:01.879 and just run it. I know we'll gets sued, might 0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:05.280 so listen. Static Selected always told me this because he 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:07.720 samples every all his ship. I don't even want to 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:12.119 air his ship out Like he's like, hey, bro, if 0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:14.520 I get sued, that me as a record doing something. Yep. 0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:18.240 Facts facts, man, But with the again, with the guest 0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:20.800 features on there, with the pepperwork that they tied to, 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:26.119 you could imagine that they're not let's just throw it 0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:29.040 without it, without it having any of the features on it. 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:31.879 Like the track list is just it doesn't say their 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:34.760 name on it. I would have to. I would have 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:36.679 to if I went that way. But I have been 0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:40.280 in discussions. We're working on some maybe a little anniversary 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.880 or just some fly like a relaunch for that one. 0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:44.879 That would be special. Man. I definitely want to do 0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:47.680 that before sooner than later. I will say that. I 0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:50.800 think about it a lot. I've been in discussions with, 0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:53.920 you know, people that don't even have nothing to do 0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:56.320 with me, honestly, but just that just want to help, 0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.479 that's in tune with business and music, and they're like, yo, 0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:03.320 you know, look into this, this and this. But it's 0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:06.000 a process. You know. It's like Wiz finally got Cushion 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:10.800 Orange on the exactly exactly, you know, exactly, Big Crip 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:13.440 got all his old ship on the DP. It takes time. 0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:16.800 Joey Badass and the like that. You guys came up 0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:19.240 like they were mixtapes, but they weren't. They were albums. 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:21.600 That was great music. It was just music. It was 0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:24.640 great music for me. I always made wanted to make 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:28.919 my music as albums. I always tried to keep that integrity. 0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:31.879 But it was free music back then, you know. So 0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:35.160 I don't feel cheated. I don't feel you know better 0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:38.240 about none of that, because that's how I made that music. 0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.120 You know, I knew what I was doing going into 0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:43.000 I came off the era where they thought the music 0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:45.760 business was done that real. You feel what I'm saying. 0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:48.040 Like people forget that when they ask questions and they 0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:50.280 think like, oh no, no, no spotted Like me, I 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:52.840 don't think about Spotify when I make songs. I'm sorry, 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:56.040 you know what I'm saying, Like I'm pat I was 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:58.520 around before that, Like I think about the fans, I 0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:00.280 think about what I want to say. I think about 0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:02.480 great music because back then, you guys had to figure 0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:04.880 out how to monetize everything else with the music. Because 0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:08.800 pre ship died tomorrow, I would not give a fuck, 0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:10.880 you feel me like, I would still do my thing. 0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:12.800 I was still figure it out. I would still make 0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:15.439 away just like I did before. That's all the result 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.359 of trying to be in the music business like that. 0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:21.119 It doesn't really affect like my process, you know. But 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:23.520 at the end of the day, I want to get 0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:27.160 the Flyers music possible to the fans. So that's where 0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:29.280 we have where I have to deal with it, you know. Yeah, 0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:32.639 it's it's definitely I feel like with a lot of 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:34.920 like my favorite artists from that error. It's like, fuck, 0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:36.800 like j Cole, I just saw him at the form 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:38.639 and he performs with shit on Friday Night Lights. I'm like, 0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.399 only if we could get Friday Night Lights. It's not 0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:45.280 but yeah, I imagine it's a lot of artists and 0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:47.280 a lot of great you know music like back in 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:51.560 the day all that ship Like, yeah, you want to 0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:54.000 buy a certain movie on DVDs, but it might not 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:56.760 be at Best Buy. That's real, you feel what I'm saying, Like, 0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.240 that's that's how the game goes. Sometimes I was looking 0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:01.520 for the Mac you know what I mean on DVD 0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:03.600 we be trying to find and I buy it on 0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:09.639 Amazon Prime exactly, Like fine, you know, as far as 0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:12.240 the CEO ship, man, like obviously you know you've been 0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:15.119 building o PM for a minute. Andyeah, you know you 0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:17.080 got some really dope talented artists that you've been working 0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:19.560 with over the year Shooter to Nico four G G 0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:23.120 four G four. I remember he came a freestyle killed 0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:26.560 it with you. But what is like the roster looking 0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:30.359 like now? Man, We're about to expand twenty twenty two 0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:33.160 were expanding right now. We still got Dom Kennedy. Of course, 0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:36.080 we got J throw five, who was one of my 0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:40.160 motherfucker's alive. Yeah, exactly, man, that's my homie. You know 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:43.360 what I'm saying. It's a small roster, you know what 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:45.560 I'm saying right now, But I'm expanding. Man, I don't 0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:47.360 want to say like what I got going in the 0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:49.600 works right now, and you know, put it all the 0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:52.240 way out there. But definitely in twenty twenty two, you're 0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.920 gonna see some new artists come out on O PM, 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:56.520 you know what I mean. And the whole vision is 0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:59.200 gonna come to Fruition for sure. So look forward to 0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:02.520 that ship with like Interscope was kind of your partner 0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:05.840 on on some ship. Right. No, they wasn't, or they 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:08.560 was trying to sign us, but yeah, they was trying 0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:10.880 to do a deal with us, but mainly just with me, 0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:13.560 you know. And J three or five end up at 0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:15.320 a point he had a solo deal, That's what I 0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:17.520 was thinking. Yeah, he had a solo deal for his 0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:21.560 first album, came out officially through Interscope, but no Dom 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.520 Kennedy music, nothing else ever came up. What's going on 0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:27.360 with Jay? He's about to put out some singles, hopefully 0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:30.000 sooner than later, probably top of the year, you know 0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:32.479 what I'm saying. But he's working on some singles right now, 0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:36.040 playing me a couple you know songs. But is Jay 0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:37.800 he gonna do what he do? You know what I'm saying. 0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:40.360 He official LA, so it's hard for him to kind 0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.960 of like he's an LA celebrity and then it's the 0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:48.200 rap game. Say yeah, for sure, LA celebrity kind of 0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:52.440 always text President over the rap game. You know. I mean, 0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:55.200 we we all got friends here in the LA. Hip 0:29:55.200 --> 0:30:00.520 hop Syne are the same way, exactly exactly. You talked 0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:02.760 about being influential to a lot of the artists that 0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:06.200 are kind of doing their thing. Now. Someone who I 0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:08.400 always kind of when I listen to I always reminds 0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:11.840 me of you is Larry June. Larry jon Like Larry 0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:15.560 June is like the like bays Don Kennedy. Sure, Larry Jones. Man, 0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:17.680 I look at him as the bais Larry Jones. Man, 0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:20.360 he's been He's been killing it for years. I glad 0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:22.760 to see someone is finally starting to get a lot 0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:26.240 of like looks, but like well deserved. Who are some 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:30.280 people who you like that that you're fans of that 0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:32.240 is a part of the new generation of the Rapture 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:38.320 that you're like class Blast, Don Tolliver, you know, I 0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:43.000 really like his innovation, you know what I'm saying. Ship 0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:47.080 people like Meg the Stallion, you know, and Jason Cash, 0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:52.440 he another artist from Carson exactly chopping with him, you know, 0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:54.960 and being a rideaut obviously. You know. I was just 0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:57.120 at being on show last night, you know, and all 0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:01.320 of those people's kind of like loosely inner and you know, 0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:05.560 music that I had probably a decade ago that helped 0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:07.720 them kind of see themselves in the space that they 0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:10.400 in right now, you know what I'm saying. And it's 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:13.200 like that's important for me. But those people right there 0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:15.680 kind of stick out the most, you know, meeting somebody 0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.520 like Blast and them truly like knowing about my catalog 0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:22.280 and like what years certain shit came out and where 0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:24.479 they was at with it, and then seeing the success 0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:27.640 they have. You know, it definitely makes me feel good 0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:30.600 because it's like all that work didn't go and noticed 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.720 all that music. You know, I'm real sincere about this shit, 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:37.560 you know, making music, being an artist first and foremost, 0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:41.200 and so when you see other artists flourishing and doing 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:44.040 they thing and they just randomly might shout you out 0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:45.800 a lot of people. Was hit me like a year 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.160 ago when Don Toloro was doing his press run and 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:50.920 he was shouting me out a lot on like bigger 0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:53.560 platforms and people was kind of like thrown off by it. 0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:56.680 But you know, I understood it because I've done shows 0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:59.960 for years in Houston, you know, for years in Houston 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.960 and no coverage, no big you know, hope, I but 0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:05.360 selling out shows, and I'm like, these are the type 0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:08.160 of people reason why I was out there selling tickets 0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:10.480 and having fans. It was kids like that that was 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:13.120 probably in high school doing their thing whatever, and they 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:16.640 was for some reason, they gravitated towards my message in 0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:19.720 my music. You know, No, that's crazy. Yeah, there's definitely 0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:24.880 like I feel like, you know, Phoenix is where I'm from, 0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.400 and that's a big market for you. But you have 0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:29.840 like your certain pockets of the country where motherfuckers just 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:35.440 show out for you. Yeah. Yeah, Arizona, d C. What's 0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:38.960 hell Yeah yeah, hell yeah. Shout out to DC, Maryland, 0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:42.040 Virginia period. But like my show in DC at like 0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:47.840 Howard Theater, Silver Springs, Maryland, cracking, crazy, cracking, Yeah, for 0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:51.240 sure for years though years, Like this is not new, 0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:56.400 you know, like years supporting me for years, you know, Atlanta, Detroit, 0:32:57.120 --> 0:33:00.320 you know, for real, these are places that's like, were 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:02.960 real people that really, you know, on a random day 0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:05.280 during the week, you know, in bad weather, you know, 0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:07.920 would come out and pack a venue for me just 0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:11.080 to see me, you know, do my thing. And I 0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:16.680 definitely appreciate it. You also always have like a banger 0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:19.840 on deck with T Fly. Yeah. T Fly, someone who 0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:24.400 I think maybe doesn't get enough flowers, like, you know, 0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:30.720 had this Dick record that was huge. Yeah, but like 0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:33.360 you guys always have have a record together. Yeah. I 0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:36.160 feel like it almost feels like every project he flyes 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:39.200 like my brother man. Like it was funny because Okay, 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:41.480 in that era where I was talking all about working 0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:43.960 with Nip and doing all of that, I met T 0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:46.480 Fly during those times. He had the studio on the 0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:49.080 same building next to us. Okay, but I didn't know 0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:52.360 T Fly. But every day he used to sleep at 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.040 the studio. We would leave like we kind of was 0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:57.360 having money a little bit, you know, we had cars. 0:33:57.640 --> 0:33:59.440 T Fly was on to come up about to get 0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:02.640 a deal with I think Sony, Epic, whoever he had 0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:05.360 this deal with. He was trying to get that deal. 0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:07.600 But I was so I was hearing all the music 0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:09.920 that he was recording that wasn't out, and that's how 0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:12.960 I got familiar with him. So by the time I'm 0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:15.480 working on Get Home Safely. And I remember I was 0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:18.080 somewhere at a truck stop on the road one day 0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:20.400 and somebody came up to me, and it's a true story, 0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.760 Like randomly, I swear to guy, like two in the morning, 0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:25.440 I'm at a little thing, looking through the little glass, 0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:27.759 about to get a ginger rel or some shit of water, 0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:31.280 and the dude's like he's staring at me. I'm obviously like, okay, 0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:33.600 he gonna say something about music, And he asked me like, 0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:35.759 how did you know to put a T Fly on 0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:39.719 that song? And I was like, damn, I mean, I 0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:41.600 guess that's how he looked at it, you know, like 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:43.480 it just came out of nowhere but now. When we 0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:46.160 was recording, t Fly was in that same building recording, 0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:48.160 so I was hearing his songs every day. He was 0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:50.480 recording three or four songs, and I realized I knew 0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.439 the songs before they came out because I was hearing 0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:55.640 them play them all day while we was just sitting 0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.040 there eating, chilling, I was hearing them. So by the 0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:00.200 time I got to do and get home safely and 0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:02.840 I had to be for Still Calling, I sat. I 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:05.120 went in his room and I said, could you do 0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:07.440 a hook for me on this and then I'll do 0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:09.640 the verse? You know what I'm saying. And I sat 0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:11.440 there with him and he was like cool. And that's 0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:15.759 really how our collaborations really started working, you know what 0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.200 I'm saying. After that one day, it was like a Saturday, 0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:19.960 I remember, and I was like, man, I got this 0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:22.080 b Bro, I think that you would kill it. And 0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:24.680 we did Still Calling that day and then I've been 0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:27.640 working with Bro literally ever since till shit, I seen 0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:29.880 him last week. You guys, I feel like, yeah, we 0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:32.280 never really fell out, you know what I'm saying, because 0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:36.640 you know, I understand what he does and he understands 0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:39.239 what I do, and we always rocking. And you know, 0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:41.719 I put out an EP on o PM, like a 0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:44.320 five song EP, and I ended up being on four songs, 0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:47.640 not intentionally but just being on songs. But yeah, me 0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:50.879 and T Fly working on some a collaboration for the people. Man, 0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:54.480 I'm glad you got yeah, OPM. We're gonna put out 0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:57.880 an album. Oh Ship, Yeah that's together yeaheah. We already 0:35:57.920 --> 0:35:59.719 working on it. I was working on it before. That's 0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:03.000 a Bullleg keV exclusive, so a T flight down project 0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:05.960 on the way. Yeah, you guys have such a crazy chemistry. Yeah, 0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:08.240 we're gonna do a whole album. We already, we already 0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:09.960 more than halfway in. I kind of put it on 0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:12.359 pause to finish the West Side three. But that's how 0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:14.560 I got that intermission, and it was kind of like 0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:16.960 a warm up to introduce and to keep the vibes 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.120 going for the album. People will hear it. But we 0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:20.800 got a great you know, we're gonna put out a 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:23.080 great body of work twenty twenty two. How many records 0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:27.200 you guys have done right now? Ship? Maybe twelve, but 0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:30.760 only like sounds like an album, Yeah, but yeah, probably 0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:32.680 really like three or four that I really want to 0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:34.360 keep We got a lot of work to do, but 0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:36.080 we're gonna put it out though it's already on the 0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:38.719 bucks for sure. Yeah, it's already on the books. It's 0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:41.840 something we've been working on. One of my favorite records 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:44.759 of yours was CDC with you Carter and Uh and 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:49.440 case Veggies. Yeah, Casey Veggies. That record was incredible and 0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:51.960 I always just we used to bump the fuck out 0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:54.720 of that song. Did you guys ever talk about putting 0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:58.000 the tape out as like CDC or it was just 0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:01.200 being funny like abbreviating our names at that time. You 0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:03.320 know what I'm saying. The title that song, that was 0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:05.719 a beat that hit Boy had through us and we 0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:08.239 just hit Boy beat. That's I don't even realize it 0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:13.040 was h favorite like that crazy, that was hit Boy 0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:15.600 and that was Casey Veggie's just going crazy on it 0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:17.920 like how we do pulling up, staying in, you know, 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:21.680 staying in attendance. Bro got off on it at my 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:24.080 studio and then the rest is history, you know. But 0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:25.680 that was a hit Boy beat that came out of 0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:27.480 a fudder or some beats that hit Boy gave me 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:29.480 that case he had picked and just went, well, here 0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:32.840 was that was that twenty twelve, eleven eleven, So that 0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:37.000 was that was around the time Watch This Throne came out. 0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.759 That was pre that, so that it was right before that. 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.800 You could even say a lot that the the thesis 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:46.359 for Washing the Throne was that song That's crazy. Yeah, 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.440 you could say that wholeheartedly. You could say that that 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.920 sound spun off of that right there. That's wild yo. 0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:55.960 So the album is out. Is there gonna be another 0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:59.319 o PM compilation? I hope so? Young Nation Man, thanks 0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:01.800 for asking you. That's one thing I've been flirting with, 0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:03.680 you know what I mean. Nico G four he just 0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.080 put out a type called Winners Type. It's doing pretty well. 0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:08.560 And then just in the midst of like recording West, 0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:11.120 I would love three working with Jay. You know, those 0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:15.400 Young Nation compilation albums are designed for everybody to shine 0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:17.920 and then to spin off and get fans on their 0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:21.320 own solo projects. So it's definitely one like it was 0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:23.799 a big gap between the first one and the second one. 0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:25.960 And the one thing I've been telling the crew is like, 0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:29.520 we gotta do a better job. If that's a platform 0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:31.680 that we have, we should do a better job of 0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:35.920 introducing new music, new artists, stand current ourselves with no 0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:39.799 ideas and no production through those platforms. So it's very 0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:43.520 very likely that you'll see a Young Nation Volume three 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:45.520 and twenty twenty two as well. Do you feel like 0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:48.120 you're still like learning rolling with the punges when it 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.160 comes to doing the CEO shit, because it's no like, 0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:53.360 it's no real blueprint, it's anything, right, it's not And 0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:56.680 it changes every day. You know, people in positions that 0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:59.239 you might meet and have a contact and then next 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:01.200 you might call him two months later and they'll be like, oh, 0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:03.120 I'm not even doing that no more, but I'm doing this, 0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:05.560 you know what I'm saying. So I've learned that I've 0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:09.000 learned how to deal with producers, artists. You know, I've 0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:11.719 had artists now that I have deals and then god 0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:13.919 don't have deals. And you know, I had a group 0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:16.560 called Warren Brow. They was doing their thing. They don't 0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:18.360 it was one brother? Are they the ones? Who did 0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:22.279 you guys collaborate with the Red Bull? Wasn't exactly. They 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:24.600 had had a situation where red Bull. But they're not 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:26.640 a group anymore, you know. So I kind of have 0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:30.239 learned that it's like being a CEO and being having 0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:33.960 a true label is not like everything doesn't go as planned, 0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:39.040 So hell yeah, it's us down broke up. Yeah yeah 0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:42.520 officially you know that, and that that's not an OPM car, 0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:45.320 that's a Warren broke, Like I collaborate with these people, 0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:49.000 but you know, just going from Okay, this is something new, 0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:51.560 this is exciting to like, damn, they don't even want it. 0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:53.320 They're not doing it no more, you know, and you 0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:55.520 kind of got to accept that, just like a label does. 0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:58.520 Like every artist that a label signs, maybe one out 0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:01.120 of what a hundred of them go platinum. That's real, 0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:03.759 you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so you can't sit 0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:06.880 around and be like, oh they don't you know, so 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:10.000 this didn't work out, so it's done. Like nah, you 0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:12.879 just keep going. You take it as a lesson learned. 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:15.320 You got great music that you made in the process 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:17.160 and things that you learn and you just apply that 0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:19.680 shit going forward, you know. But yeah, I take a 0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:23.600 lot of It's been more bruises on that side than anything. Man, 0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:26.200 being on the CEO side, it's tough and for a 0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:29.600 point in time, and weighed down on my artistry as well, 0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:32.279 you know, because as I got older, as I'm you 0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:34.480 know I'm older now, so I wanted to like be 0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:37.239 more involved in business, you know, And I was cool 0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:39.600 with being an artist obviously I made dope songs. I 0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:42.320 was a rapper, but it kind of started bothering me, 0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:44.560 I think in a way a couple of years where 0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:46.719 it was like I wanted to be more in the 0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:49.879 business and more you know, serious about that and help 0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:52.279 more artists. But it just wasn't working out. So it 0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:56.279 kind of like, you know, not soured how I looked 0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:59.200 at the game, but just like it made it less fun. 0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:01.120 I will say that. Yeah, I feel like when you 0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:04.000 start dealing with other artists and you start dealing with 0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:09.239 individuals in general, right with anything, like you feel like, yo, 0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:12.560 I've done all this? Is it like hard? Like I 0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:14.440 don't use the word babysitting, but is it hard to 0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.640 like work with a bunch of different variables when it 0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:21.160 comes to being like, hey, this is what you need 0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:23.759 to do. It is, but you can't walk someone it 0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:26.839 is because it's non transferable. Man. It's like I work 0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:30.719 out at seven o'clock. Right, If I go work out, 0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:35.040 you don't get stronger. You know what I'm saying, You 0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:37.560 gotta go. I could tell you what I'm doing. I 0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:39.880 could even let you come, you know, ride with me, 0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:43.480 but there pull up right if you don't do the 0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:46.640 same things at least, like how could you expect the 0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:50.000 same results? You know? And it's non transferable, So no 0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:52.399 matter nothing I tell you or try to pound into 0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:56.279 your head could really work unless you embrace it and 0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:59.080 do it yourself, and your results might be better than mine. 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:01.120 You know. That's one thing I try to get them 0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:04.040 to understand, Like I didn't do it the best way 0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:06.480 or the right way. I did it my way, you know, 0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:08.920 and what I thought was best at the time for me, 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:13.319 my self esteem, my state of mind, you know, my heart, 0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:16.560 Like I do what's best for that. But that doesn't 0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:18.800 mean that you gotta do what I do. You know, 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:21.400 do it your way, you know, take the good part's 0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:23.479 lead up parts you don't like. I think the best 0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:25.839 artists that end up making it having the most longevity. 0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:28.080 I mean, everyone has management and all that, but are 0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:30.160 kind of like self managers, if that makes sense. You 0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:34.239 got to like they almost like they're like if they 0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:38.319 didn't have management, they would take the initiative their self starters. Yeah, 0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:40.319 you know what I'm saying. You got to you got 0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:43.360 to because I see so many artists that are fucking incredible, 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:45.759 but the reason why they never made it is maybe 0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:48.960 because they were lazy or they just didn't. Yeah, you 0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:51.759 gotta be self motivated. Man, nobody's gonna at the end 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:54.239 of the day a manager. You know all of that. 0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:56.920 They following your lead. You know, they can only get 0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:59.600 you to believe and do and do so much. You know. 0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:03.440 And another thing is, like people want to see us 0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:07.480 as an artist enthusiastic. You know, we gotta love it 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:10.560 before we could sell it to anybody, even your manager, 0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.640 even your you know whoever, Like people could tell if 0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:15.920 you really in tune it, if you really are who 0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:18.120 you say you are, if you really are what you're pushing, 0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:21.120 you know, and what you want is to attract people 0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:24.239 that believe in the same things as you. You know 0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:28.000 what I'm saying. And don't mind you know, spreading, promoting 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:33.000 whatever it is, you know, your agenda, your product, you know. Yeah, 0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:36.400 how you gonna ask someone to be enthusiastic about your ship? Right? 0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:38.520 You're not and you just lay it up like, you know, 0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:41.719 not really tripping and you want them to be you know, 0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:43.840 come back like, oh I got you on Jay Leno 0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:46.520 and it's like, what like that don't happen? You know 0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:49.680 they look at it like that, but that that's not 0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:52.279 how the game goes. You know. Some people be too 0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:56.120 cool about their own ship, and it is your ship exactly. 0:43:56.280 --> 0:43:58.960 If you don't love it, you cannot expect anybody else 0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:01.400 to work harder than you are, to love your product 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:04.040 more than you. That's a foods game. And even even 0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:06.319 like when you like, you know, there's we're in la right, 0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:08.960 So there's always opportunities where people will get the ox 0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:10.800 Court in the studio, like, Yo, don't just play that 0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:13.640 ship and like sit back right. You gotta like feel 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:16.080 your ship in those moments, you know what I'm saying, 0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:17.960 and work your way up to feeling that. If you 0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:20.399 don't feel that way, be honest about it and keep 0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:23.040 going to you do. Are you in hit Boy going 0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:24.920 to do any more? Half a real Ship? Yeah, courtessy 0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:28.320 half a mil I mean originally it was a trilogy anyway, 0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:30.520 So we we've dropped two albums. We put out the 0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:33.239 EPs just because we were just learning how to work 0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:35.440 and what we was gonna be talking about. But we've 0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:37.960 dropped two albums on courtesy half a mil which is 0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:39.759 me and here boy. We're gonna have at least one 0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:42.200 more for sure. I don't know when it's coming out, 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:44.600 but we already you know what I mean, it's locked 0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:47.440 in for sure. Anything else you got that you're working on, 0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:49.520 any any sort of anything that you want to man, 0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.879 just with my new artists shooting visuals from the West Side. 0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:55.359 We left three you just on the beach, which was Dobele, 0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:58.840 Mike Kis Deep Thought, mars k Franklin. You know what 0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:01.040 I mean. Check that out. Don't walk away with Quinn Miller. 0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:04.920 I'm gonna shoot some of the solo videos now and 0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:07.319 then twenty twenty two I'll be on the road for sure, 0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:09.960 more new music. You know, I'm firting with the idea. 0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:13.920 Obviously I dropped the t fly information, but just man, 0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:16.120 I want to stay consistent with the music, you know, 0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:18.719 as long until I'm done, just with that part of 0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:20.719 my spirit, you know what I'm saying. And right now 0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.759 I really feel like not that I rediscover something, but 0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:27.160 it feels like you have though. Yeah, I mean, thank 0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:29.479 you Kevi's I didn't want to say that. For a minute. 0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:32.080 It felt like you weren't really like into this shit. Anymore. Yeah, 0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:33.719 I mean it was a lot of factors, you know, 0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:35.680 a little bit of what I touched on earlier about 0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:38.239 the business side and just certain things when things, you know, 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:42.960 it gets like I don't want to say not being 0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:46.080 into it, because I was always into writing songs and 0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:48.719 making music and I do it about myself most of 0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:50.600 the time. So what is it not to be into? 0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:55.120 But just rediscovering that passion, you know what I'm saying, 0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:57.879 and that initial mission statement, you know what I'm saying, 0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:00.640 and having great friends and people that you know and 0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:03.160 love like here boy, that to just remind you you 0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:05.440 know what I'm saying and support you through it. And 0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:08.600 that's initially, honestly why I thought it from the West 0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:10.840 Side with Love three and why it's so important to me. 0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:14.160 And just seeing a you know, the it's only been 0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:16.800 out like not even two weeks, so just seeing the 0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:20.080 initial you know, feedback just lets me know, like, Okay, 0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:22.960 it is a lot on the table for us. And 0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:26.360 it is a segment of just music in general, and 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:30.120 especially rap where it's like the conversations and the things 0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:32.160 that I talk about in the music that I talk 0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:35.200 about is necessary, you know what I'm saying. And it's avoiding. 0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:38.560 I feel like it's my job to you know, shed 0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:40.640 some light on that. No, you're definitely I feel like 0:46:40.680 --> 0:46:42.520 you've been back in your bag the last couple of years. Man, 0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:45.960 Thank you. So it's been great to see you. Can't 0:46:45.960 --> 0:46:48.000 wait to hear the t FLA ship. Yeah. Now it's 0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:50.160 gonna be do It's gonna be dope. Man, it's gonna 0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:52.480 be on point, like we got we already got songs 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:56.160 I'm excited about, like sharing. That's why I feel, you know, 0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:59.160 real good about the music that we making and even 0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:02.480 saying that it and just honestly just us being It's 0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:05.960 really about when as artists and friends that we all 0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:08.120 see and eye to eye in in a great space 0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:10.600 as human beings, you know what I'm saying. And that's 0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:13.000 when I feel like in what I've seen, like you know, 0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:15.880 not saying we all got to have a lot of 0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:18.080 money or you know, so for it's just you know, 0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:21.440 just real life. And I feel like that's happening right now. 0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:23.480 And from the West Side, we love three. I feel 0:47:23.520 --> 0:47:25.440 like it's definitely one of the reasons why, you know, 0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:27.520 and I want to continue that. Well, look, go get 0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:30.239 the album. That shit is Fire, Thank you man. I'm 0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:32.759 sure more visuals are coming like yes, yes, so there'll 0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:34.799 be some more visuals hopefully be hitting the road yeap 0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:37.719 twenty twenty two. I'm looking forward to it, probably like springtime, 0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:40.480 will be out there, a lot of special guests Fire, 0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:42.600 you know what I mean. For sure, there it is, man, 0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:44.799 Well look, thanks for pulling up man, Yes, sir