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Speaker 1: Here we go the official show on the Fish Strips

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Speaker 1: podcast channel. This is our Derek Jeter Emergency pod. Addition,

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Speaker 1: Jeter out as the Marlins chief executive officer. I'm Eli Susman,

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Speaker 1: the managing editor of Fish Stripes, here on Monday, on

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Speaker 1: a day where we were anticipating a big news story,

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Speaker 1: but not quite the one that we were expecting, and

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Speaker 1: in fact, you know, in my mind, I wonder if

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Speaker 1: it's not a coincidence that this news comes out on

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Speaker 1: the day where Major League Baseball and the Players Union

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Speaker 1: were trying to finalize their deal for a twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two season and a new CBA. First, before I introduce

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Speaker 1: our roundtable of guests to weigh in on this emergency situation,

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Speaker 1: let's hear what Jeter had to say himself. He released

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Speaker 1: a statement. Bruce Sherman, principal owner of the Marlins, really says

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Speaker 1: statement Rob Manfred. But we'll just go with what Jeter

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Speaker 1: said first right up here. Quote Today, I am announcing

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Speaker 1: that the Miami Marlins and I are officially ending our

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Speaker 1: relationship and I will no longer serve as CEO nor

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Speaker 1: as a shareholder in the club. We did a vision

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Speaker 1: five years ago to turn the Marlins franchise around, and

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Speaker 1: as CEO, I have been proud to put my name

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Speaker 1: and reputation on the line to make our plan a reality.

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Speaker 1: Through hard work, trust and accountability, we've transformed every aspect

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Speaker 1: of the franchise, reshaping the workforce and developing a long

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Speaker 1: term strategic plan for success. But here's the money line

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Speaker 1: right here. That said, the vision for the future of

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Speaker 1: the franchise is different than the one I signed up

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Speaker 1: for to lead. Now is the right time for me

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Speaker 1: to step aside as a new season begins, So that

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Speaker 1: is what we're gonna dive in to as this show

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Speaker 1: goes on. Just to look at all the ramifications this

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Speaker 1: has on the Marlins franchise. As a guy that I

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Speaker 1: considered the face of the franchise, even more so than

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Speaker 1: any of the players, he's stepping out even before we

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Speaker 1: have a new CBA, a new twenty twenty two season

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Speaker 1: to go around. Here up top, I wanted to give

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Speaker 1: everybody a shot just to on a scale of one

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Speaker 1: to ten to tell us how surprised are you by

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Speaker 1: this news of Derek Jeter stepping away. We knew from

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Speaker 1: the beginning he had this five year plan of five

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Speaker 1: year dal literally to be the CEO and oversee both

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Speaker 1: business and baseball operations, starting with you, Kevin. On scale

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Speaker 1: of one to ten, your level of surprise about Jeter

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Speaker 1: leaving now with one, just to put this in perspective

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Speaker 1: for everybody, one at a ten, like a Gean Carlos

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Speaker 1: Stanton home run, a ten out of ten, something that

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Speaker 1: you could have never imagined, a magneris Sierra home run.

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Speaker 1: Where do you fall on your level of surprise? I

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Speaker 1: think I know by looking at your reactions in our

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Speaker 1: group chat today.

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Speaker 2: But let's hear it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is an easy ten. It's just another way

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Speaker 3: to say it. This was absolutely unexpected, in my opinion

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Speaker 3: at least because no one expected Jeter to step down.

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Speaker 3: Maybe after the next season when his contract was over,

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Speaker 3: they wouldn't renew it and he would stay as a

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Speaker 3: shareholder as we were talking about off camera. But yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is an easy ten. There's no way this was

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Speaker 3: to have a big result or a really bad one

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Speaker 3: at the same time.

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Speaker 1: And gun right down the line. Isaac also a fish Stripes.

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Speaker 1: You know him and Kevin from both hosting Fish Stripes unfiltered.

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Speaker 1: Same goes to you scale of one to ten. You're

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Speaker 1: just level of surprised by Jeter being gone before this

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Speaker 1: rebuild really turned around.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm gonna have to go with a six

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Speaker 4: point five.

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Speaker 5: It's pretty shocked, you know, so like on the on

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Speaker 5: the more shocked side than not. But the only reason

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Speaker 5: you know, this question had been floated around because obviously

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Speaker 5: I would say the first four years have been somewhat

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Speaker 5: it wasn't a complete complete shot. Obviously I was you know,

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Speaker 1: Alex Carver of Fish on the Farm, who earlier today

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Speaker 1: hosted a very insightful Twitter spaces session on this topic

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Speaker 1: of me as an article coming for his website as well,

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Speaker 1: Fish on the Farm dot com, a frequent collaborator with

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Speaker 1: us at fish Stripes one to ten. Alex, where what

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Speaker 1: is your level of surprise about Cheater being out a CEO?

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, thanks Eli and Isaac and all

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Speaker 6: you guys for and Kevin as well, Daniel Noah binding

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Speaker 6: the scenes.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on again. I apologize for

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Speaker 2: my voice.

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Speaker 6: I was just gone for the weekend and had a

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Speaker 2: And I see this news.

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Speaker 6: So I definitely agree with with Isaac that it is

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Speaker 2: You'd figure, you know, if situations were different with.

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Speaker 6: The CBA and everything else, that that you know he'd

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Speaker 6: live out the last year of that contract. But apparently

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Speaker 6: there's some friction there. I'm sure we're probably gonna talk

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Speaker 6: about that. I would give you my number. I would

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Speaker 6: say six. Honestly, Derek Jeter did a lot for this organization.

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Speaker 6: He he really did. He turned the farm system around

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Speaker 6: to build it up. And now he's feeling the pressure

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Speaker 6: and he wants to spend money and there seems to

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Speaker 6: be questions around, you know, what kind of spending they're

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Speaker 6: it's it's a it's a we're gonna talk about it.

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Speaker 6: It's it's a former player that sides more with the

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Speaker 6: disconnect between him and Sherman. Apparently there is, because this

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Speaker 6: is a very odd time for him to do that.

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Speaker 6: So timing would be a ten, but overall him stepping down,

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Speaker 6: taking the timing out of the equation, or put them

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Speaker 6: both together, I would say my number would be a six.

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Speaker 1: And Daniel Rodriguez, let's hear from you as well on

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Speaker 1: your level of surprise about this shocker, I would have

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Speaker 7: You know, you mentioned a ten being a magnarcier at

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Speaker 7: so it's probably around eight. I would give it around

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Speaker 7: the eight. Obviously, the timing is not ideal. Give it,

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Speaker 7: you know now or you know, during labor negotiations and

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Speaker 7: I feel like this is something that's bound to happen,

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Speaker 7: you know, specifically, like Alex and everyone else mentioned that

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Speaker 7: they probably would give it him maybe a one year extense,

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Speaker 7: and then trading big prospects like Cameramiser to get guys

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Speaker 7: moment to win now. And that's where Jesus Junior's mindset

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Speaker 7: is where I think it's at. It's a win now mode.

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Speaker 7: But I think, you know, the other people on the

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Speaker 7: to take the franchise. I think they probably want to

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Speaker 1: It's a decent analogy. I think I have the perfect

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Speaker 1: analogy for this. I have it as a Lewis Brinson

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Speaker 1: the potential was there for Jeter to get out of

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Speaker 1: this if the team was not winning, because he's the

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Speaker 1: guy that's very impatient, as he preached again and again

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Speaker 1: and again, and last year was a very disappointing step back.

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Speaker 1: By all accounts, both from what we could see from

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Speaker 1: So I have it at like an eight out of ten,

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Speaker 1: where yeah, on some circumstances, it's not surprising at all

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Speaker 1: is the conflicting reports out there about why exactly this happens.

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Speaker 1: And so first let's go to the tweets from the insiders,

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Speaker 1: these kind of came out back to back. You know, Craigmish,

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Speaker 1: He's kind of our go to on a whole lot

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Speaker 1: pretty quickly insisting that echoing what Marlin's leadership still remaining believes,

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Speaker 1: they were building before the lockout and be very aggressive

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. That includes spending after the lockout is over.

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Speaker 1: my understanding. Just nine minutes later, Joel Sherman of The

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Speaker 1: New York Post has connections with Jeter going back to

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Speaker 1: this point, very well respected as well. His tweet heard

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Speaker 1: Jeter believed going into the lockout that there would be

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Speaker 1: another ten to fifteen million dollars that the Marlins would

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Speaker 1: spend on the twenty twenty two roster, and that strategy evaporated.

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Speaker 1: Nice word during the lockout. It was central to Jeter's

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Speaker 1: money to improve the roster has disappeared. Open it up

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Speaker 1: to you, guys, who do you believe here? What do

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Speaker 1: you think is closer to the reality of the situation,

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Speaker 1: because these seem to be conflicting reports.

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Speaker 5: Well to be sort of like a coward, I know,

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Speaker 5: believe that this ownership group is intent on winning in

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Speaker 4: There's money to be made, there's expended playoffs.

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Speaker 5: Like you mentioned, Marlins have a good opportunity to make

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Speaker 5: the postseason if they just add one more guy there. Now,

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Speaker 5: regarding Sherman's tweet, it could be I don't know whether

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Speaker 5: it's ten to fifteen million dollars. That seems like sort

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Speaker 5: of an insignificant number for you to just leave a CEO,

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Speaker 5: But I definitely believe that there was possibly some restriction

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Speaker 5: the lockout is completed. So in a way to give

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And for me, I think when you have two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to agree here with Isaac and Daniel.

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Speaker 3: It's just you don't know where to really go. You

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Speaker 8: It's a little weird.

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Speaker 3: To see Jeter leaving over ten to fifteen million dollars,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Daniel had it. Yeah, I think Daniel

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Speaker 2: But I said it.

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Speaker 6: Before, and it comes down it honestly comes down to

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Speaker 2: Number one.

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Speaker 6: The games have to be televised or your TV doesn't

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Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying is that there's lost money here,

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Speaker 6: If we're walking away like this, Riguel Rojas, Francisco Lindor,

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean, honestly, it's it's disconnect between a

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm not saying Jeter was the worst.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna change now.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I honestly to answer this question, I really

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Speaker 2: Jeter felt the pressure. This was going to be his

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Speaker 6: If if twenty twenty two wasn't a winner, he was

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Speaker 2: So he felt the pressure and he got out. Now.

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Speaker 8: And two things to keep in mind.

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Speaker 5: That ten to fifteen million dollars that's for the twenty

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Speaker 5: know one love sum, it's that's something that you wanted

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Speaker 1: It's been tough to follow because of the lock out obviously,

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Speaker 1: There's no meet resolution to this lockout unless they somehow

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Speaker 4: I mean, I can go ahead, Alex.

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Speaker 6: Sorry, I was just gonna say, I mean, not to

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Speaker 6: Maybe it's intentional, That's my thing, that maybe it's done

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Speaker 6: and that's why I am That's that's it could be

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Speaker 6: exactly what you're saying, that he doesn't want the attention,

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Speaker 2: It's gonna happen anyway.

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Speaker 6: It's Derek Jeter, It's one of the biggest names in

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Speaker 2: Players and not owners. I don't think so.

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Speaker 6: I honestly don't think that that was just my devil's advocate,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that.

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Speaker 6: I really, I really don't think anybody expected the deal

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Speaker 2: I think most educated fans.

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Speaker 6: And educated people that are following this situation, they know

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Speaker 2: That's that hurts, and.

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Speaker 6: That, like I said before, that that will definitely hurt

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Speaker 2: And both him and Sherman know that exact fact.

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Speaker 6: So he probably looked at it and said, can I

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Speaker 6: And he went out on his own terms.

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Speaker 2: Because clearly he didn't think so.

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Speaker 6: So that's where I think it is. I don't think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And some breaking news I guess it says the

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Speaker 5: So you know, you like to answer your question, what

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Speaker 5: and the models included, and if you do it today,

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Speaker 4: Can do it today. And maybe maybe it was good

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Speaker 4: time on his part.

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

439
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Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on through his head, but

440
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Speaker 4: that's something to keep in mind.

441
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Speaker 5: How he possibly did know that, let's say he had

442
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 5: done this a month ago, he would have maybe been

443
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 5: looked at a little bit, you know, more closely.

444
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 4: So that's something to keep in mind as well.

445
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Speaker 1: Right, One other thing that I did bring up on

446
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 1: Alex's Twitter spaces is that this day also potentially just

447
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 1: being his the clearest indication yet that like he was

448
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 1: at a dead end almost this being year five of

449
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 1: this rebuilds, and he had high hopes for it even so,

450
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's true what Joel Sherman and other New

451
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 1: York based Jeter. Insiders are saying that he felt he

452
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 1: wasn't wasn't going to be given the money to spend

453
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 1: enough and improve the team on the other side of

454
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Speaker 1: the lockout. Whether that particular thing is true or not,

455
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 1: what's clear is that whenever they do get this lockout resolved,

456
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: it's going to be a very rushed end to the

457
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 1: off season, and for a team that we know is

458
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: at least one or two significant pieces away from putting

459
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 1: together this playoff contending team, that really rushes the process

460
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: for you to make important moves and potentially means that

461
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 1: you have to wait on those moves until the middle

462
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 1: of the season, where it might just not be feasible

463
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: to bring in to negotiate those trades or those free

464
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 1: agent signings and get your entire team ready for the

465
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: season with that being different than they had plans at

466
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 1: the outset of the offseason, kind of hoping to be

467
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: able to make rational decisions knowing how important they were.

468
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: So when you combine that with the fact that fans

469
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: are really really pissed off with how this has gone,

470
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Speaker 1: and you don't know exactly whether the revenue even when

471
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Speaker 1: the season gets started, what's that revenue going to look like.

472
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 1: I mean, for one, you're not getting as much money

473
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Speaker 1: from the TV partner as who were expecting with fewer games.

474
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Speaker 1: Also timing of it. This is something that I guess

475
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: Alex will appreciate, is that we know in this market

476
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Speaker 1: there's other significant sports teams that are going to be

477
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Speaker 1: playing playoff games in May and potentially in June, both

478
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: the Florida Panthers and potentially the Miami Heat. Both of

479
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: those teams are going to take away some of the oxygen.

480
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 1: I think Kevin can appreciate this too, because he falls

481
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: all the sports teams in this market very closely. Those

482
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: teams take the oxygen out of the room. If you're

483
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: going to focus on playoff hockey and playoff basketball over

484
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: early season baseball, I think a lot of people would

485
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: do that. That could mean less people coming to the

486
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: games at the start of the season, less people watching

487
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: at home, just all these other revenue streams just not

488
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: paying off the way you thought it would. If people

489
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Speaker 1: don't even realize that the season gets started whenever it

490
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Speaker 1: does get started, if that's April fifteenth or May first

491
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Speaker 1: or May fifteenth or stuff like that. What do you

492
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Speaker 1: think about that idea Kevin as somebody personally that I

493
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Speaker 1: know as a fan of the other teams in this market,

494
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Speaker 1: You think that's gonna whenever the season does get started, Like,

495
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Speaker 1: is that something that may have scared Jeter away, may

496
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: have frustrated him at this particular time. They really need

497
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: to get the season going on March thirty first, and

498
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: waiting later in the year. They're going to be like

499
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: the little little brothers to those other teams in this

500
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Speaker 1: market that have actual championship aspirations.

501
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 8: Oh definitely.

502
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Speaker 3: I mean, you look the Heat and the Panthers right now,

503
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 3: they're at the top of the world. The Heat currently

504
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 3: sit at number one, the Panthers at the number one seed.

505
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 3: These teams are pretty much down to make the playoffs.

506
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 3: They they'll probably clinch it any in a couple of weeks, hopefully,

507
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 3: And no one's gonna want to watch No offense to

508
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: the Marlins, but they're not gonna want to watch a

509
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 3: fourth or third seeded team lose games at lone Deeple Park.

510
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 3: You'd rather watch team like the Miami Heat or the

511
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 3: Florida Panthers grow out and probably win an NBA championship

512
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 3: or or the Stanley Cup. I mean That's just how

513
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: it is and definitely would have scared your away looking

514
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: how successful those two teams have been and you look

515
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 3: the Marlins, like you said the younger brother, there's just

516
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 3: another way to say it.

517
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Speaker 8: So, I mean, that's just how I see it.

518
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Speaker 3: If it were me, I'd rather be watching the Miami

519
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 3: Heat win some playoff games against who knows them, Milwaukee

520
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: Bucks to the Brooklyn Nets, then the Miami Marlins playing

521
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh Pirates in Miami's in the opening day or

522
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Speaker 3: whatever it would be.

523
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Speaker 1: You know, So you're letting me know that if any

524
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,719
Speaker 1: Marlins home games fall in the same day as those

525
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: playoff games, you don't want credentials for those Marlins games.

526
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 3: Lots of different that's a different thing, obviously, but you know,

527
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 3: you know me, I love my Miami Heat. But when

528
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: you look at it from the money standpoint, I think

529
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 3: you got you got to look at it like that,

530
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Speaker 3: that these teams are going to be in the middle

531
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Speaker 3: of a playoff chase. They're gonna be in the middle

532
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Speaker 3: of not even a playoff chase, fine, and be finals chase,

533
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 3: you know, be the best team in the league, and

534
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 3: you're gonna want to watch the Miami Marlins big off

535
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 3: the season after that.

536
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Speaker 8: I mean, I think we would all be watching.

537
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Speaker 3: Miami Marlins baseball since it's the only thing we have.

538
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: The Dolphins aren't that aren't that good right now? And

539
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 3: not even that, let's say, the Marlins bringing a caste

540
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,719
Speaker 3: after the lockout. That don't want to make people want

541
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 3: to watch the Marlins even more, maybe even more than

542
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 3: the Heat, especially people that want to get into baseball

543
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 3: a lot more.

544
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Speaker 8: You know, you've seen yours the Marlin Sandy re signed.

545
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Speaker 3: It makes a lot of sense to watch Tomorrowins, especially

546
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 3: this coming up, looks like they're going to be competitive.

547
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 8: But when you look at it, with the money.

548
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: And the TV deal, as you were mentioning, Eli, I

549
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,479
Speaker 3: think people are gonna want to watch the Florida Panthers

550
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 3: in the Miami Heat, especially the Panthers with how good

551
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 3: they've been this season on.

552
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Speaker 5: President you know, in years past, Eli's absolutely right, you know,

553
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 5: in April and May, the Marlin, especially in April, the Marlins.

554
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 3: We we do own.

555
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 4: It'll for a little bit this picture of Jeter and.

556
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 5: The cat, But in years past, you know, in May

557
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 5: and June, You're right, Kevin, people are sitting they're at

558
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 5: Marlins Park, they're alone Deepot Park, but they're at the

559
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 5: bar watching the Heat game. You know, I've unfortunately been

560
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 5: there watching that. And oh, you're a big roar of

561
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 5: the crowd. Oh did did Brenton hit a uble? Oh no,

562
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 5: it's you know, it's Tyler Herro doing something on the court.

563
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

564
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Speaker 8: That happens even when.

565
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Speaker 5: Under normal circumstances like in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen,

566
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Speaker 5: and even when Stanton was chasing Roger Maris, even when

567
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 5: Jose was pitching every fifth day in twenty sixteen, fans

568
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 5: were at the bar behind home played watching the other

569
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Speaker 5: sports teams, especially during the playoff front and even during

570
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 5: the regular season same thing. And then later in the

571
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Speaker 5: season Tember, you're starting to watch fans not show up

572
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 5: on Sundays because of the Dolphins. So that's definitely something

573
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 5: to keep in mind. It's a great job I brought

574
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 5: up by all of you guys. It's just been a

575
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 5: thing that David Sampson's got on record even when he

576
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 5: was president, that they would really want Miami to be

577
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 5: still relevant later halfway through the season at least to

578
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 5: sort of compete with the Miami Heat, who are always

579
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 5: in the playoffs. Well that's partly because in the NBA,

580
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 5: everyone makes a freaking playoffs.

581
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: As much as we would like to, you know, we

582
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 3: want to see as you mentioned Jose and Stan during

583
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: those times, we would have liked to see and people

584
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 3: would go to the games. People care more about, you know,

585
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 3: actually winning games and making the playoffs. That's something the

586
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: Marlins weren't able to do. And I think if you

587
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 3: start doing that at a more consistent rate or at

588
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: least winning games, if they win eighty games, that is

589
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: a huge plus and that'll definitely want to make people

590
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 3: come to the stadium. But you have to get the

591
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 3: winning product, and that's something that we haven't seen, and

592
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 3: that's something for example, you know, we can maybe do

593
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: a podcast on this comparing that to the Heat and

594
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 3: the Panthers. The Heat and the Panthers have been able

595
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 3: to do that at a consistent rate. I mean, we

596
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 3: thought that Heat would rebuild after Lebron. That never happened.

597
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 3: They actually stayed pretty consistent. So something else to look

598
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: at there. I would say, in my.

599
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 5: Opinion, I don't think the Marlins have won eighty one

600
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 5: games since two thousand and nine.

601
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Speaker 8: If I'm not mistaken.

602
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Speaker 6: Well, you guys know as well as me, Isaac and Kevin,

603
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 6: especially since you guys grew up here like me.

604
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: This market cares about one thing, winning games. If you're winning.

605
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 6: Games, they show up. If you're not winning games, they're

606
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 6: not showing up. I had Panthers season tickets for years,

607
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 6: and they made the playoffs in one of the six

608
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 6: seasons that I had season tickets, and nobody went. It's

609
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 6: the same exact way with the Miami Heat. If they're

610
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 6: not winning, nobody's gonna go. It's the same over with

611
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 6: the Marlins, and people are so disconnected from the Marlins

612
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 6: because of how long they've lost for excluding twenty twenty.

613
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 6: So when Derek Jeter came here, this guy's approven winner

614
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 6: obviously past the New York connection and everything else. That

615
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 6: is what it is too, and that was also attractive.

616
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 6: But man, this guy knows how to win. He won

617
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 6: on the field, he's done it before. What he didn't

618
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 6: do is win as a seat yo, And that's much

619
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Speaker 6: different than winning as a baseball player. And I think

620
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 6: that's what you saw on his tenure, is just the

621
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 6: ability to do certain things but completely lost on other things.

622
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Speaker 2: And I think that that's evidence.

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Speaker 6: In roster construction, that's evidence, and other things that he

624
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 6: has done here not all bad, but definitely.

625
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: Not all great.

626
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Speaker 6: So I think it's just proof that winning on the

627
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 6: field is different than winning in the front office.

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 1: Who do you think is having the best day as

630
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: a result of this? I think David Sampson.

631
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Speaker 8: Is the one we had to do.

632
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Speaker 3: One of the first things I thought of was David Sampson.

633
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: It's gonna be having himself today.

634
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Speaker 1: For people that aren't familiar, it seems like if you're

635
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: on Twitter, people know this. But for the larger crowd,

636
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: David Sampson has a pretty popular podcast with CBS called

637
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: Nothing Personal, where he talks all things sports, business, et cetera.

638
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: He has a microphone from his face all the time.

639
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: He took the job almost as soon as Cheeter fired him.

640
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 1: He's been bitter about being let go from the very

641
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: moment it happens. He has not tried to hide from that.

642
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: He's embraced it. He has rooted against Jeter. He has

643
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: trash talked the way that Cheeter ran the team from

644
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: the very beginning, including some of the things that he

645
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: did at the very beginning of his tenure that deserved

646
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: to be ripped for kind of he had Jeter from

647
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: the beginning was on this path to totally disassociate the

648
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: franchise from everything that happens under Jeffrey Laurier and David Sampson.

649
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: That was the one common theme. It was a lot

650
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: of it was about trying to emulate what the Yankees do.

651
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: I'd say even more of it was just about to

652
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: get as far away as possible from the distressed franchise

653
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 1: that he took over and kind of seeing that everything

654
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Speaker 1: that happened before him was bad in a certain way

655
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Speaker 1: and trying to change that. And so that's like a

656
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Speaker 1: more complex conversation just for people that are only listening.

657
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: David Samson, I don't know if all this is accurate,

658
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: but this is just just to give you his perspective.

659
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: He says, quote revenue never close to projections, and as

660
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: why payroll stayed low, Marlin's lost significant money each year

661
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: he was in charge. Owners were tired of putting money

662
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: in and letting Jeter run the show with no input,

663
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: and value of the team has not increased. I mean,

664
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: just as a first glance at that, it's hard to

665
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: disagree with that. That does seem pretty on the money.

666
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

667
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 5: You know, we talked about everything that he goes on.

668
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 5: He goes on Levatard once a week and every chance

669
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 5: he gets, You're ready, like, he bashes this this current regime,

670
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 5: whether he's correct or whether he's not, a lot of

671
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 5: it honestly has been correct, unfortunately. But the thing that

672
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 5: you mentioned is just the first thing that you wanted

673
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 5: to do is just spread himself from the from the

674
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 5: former regime in so many ways, but changing the way

675
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 5: the stadium looked and not and firing every single significant

676
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 5: person that was working for the front office. It was

677
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 5: just I thought that was just so unnecessary for a

678
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 5: myriad reasons.

679
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 3: But and not only that, he got rid of the

680
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 3: three you know, a lot of the Florida Marlin stuff,

681
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 3: like Jeff co nine gets rid of him, Like, oh

682
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: there it is, looking at it right now.

683
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, Jeff Conan, he got who was it?

684
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: Andre Dawson and Jack McKee and Jeff Cone.

685
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: They were all.

686
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: Advisors to all of them, super expensive advisors. Either're just

687
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: voices in that front office, and I think across spoord

688
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: all guys that are pretty widely respected, especially Jack and

689
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: co nine who at at the very beginning. This is

690
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,239
Speaker 1: it's kind of unquestionable some of the mistakes that were

691
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: made during that first off season, both from a tactical

692
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: standpoint and just that unpopular pr You know, the one

693
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: thing we got from that first off season was Sandy

694
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: al Contra and trade, but almost everything else both on

695
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: in terms of player transactions and other miscellaneous things.

696
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 8: It was.

697
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: It was rough off season that year. So yeah, it's

698
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: that kind of moves to the point where we want

699
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: to want to try to predict exactly where this franchise

700
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: goes from here. Jeter, even as somebody that had that

701
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: big title and was pretty seriously involved in baseball transactions

702
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: and a little bit on the business side as well,

703
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: there's still pretty big voices inside the organization that I

704
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: think the early speculation is that they'll kind of fill

705
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: the void internally in some respects while also probably bringing

706
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: one other new executive, likely on the business side. But

707
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: it's a big opportunity for Kim Ang. The early reports

708
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: from Mish from Peter Gammons of the Athletic as well

709
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: is that she is going to be trusted even more

710
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: like unconditionally with a lot of the moves that the

711
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: team makes on the other side of this lockout and

712
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: beyond for somebody that has only had one full season

713
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: as a general manager with decades of other front office

714
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: experience prior to that. But now I wonder if they'll

715
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: even change her title. Maybe it might still just be

716
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: a super It might just be a super general manager

717
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: instead of like a totally new title. I wanted to

718
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: go to Alex here first though about kim Ang, because

719
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: you and I, for what, we disagree on a number

720
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: of things, but I think we did have a mutual

721
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: frustration with how the front office operated last year on

722
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: a variety of fronts, from negotiating with major league free

723
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: agents to also how they just managed the forty man roster,

724
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: handling the developments of some of their key prospects in

725
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: terms of what levels they were playing at, and and

726
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: all of it. How comfortable are we with the idea

727
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: that kim Ang, for somebody that coming off wasn't uneven

728
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: first year on the on the front office side, could

729
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: suddenly now be even more directly responsible for making these

730
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: critical moves in twenty twenty two.

731
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, and we completely agree on last season's roster construction

732
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 6: was an absolute disaster. Just no getting around it. And

733
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:59,479
Speaker 6: I've been very vocal with you on that horrible I

734
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 6: honestly I'm intrigued by that, and I'm kind of looking

735
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 6: forward to what Kim does. I mean, you bring her

736
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 6: into this role that she was obviously ready for from

737
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 6: all of her expertise. The thing that I always go

738
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 6: back to is that, you know, before she came to

739
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 6: the Marlins, it was big market. It was big market Yankees,

740
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 6: you know, Dodgers, White Sox, all these big market teams

741
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 6: that she was in charge of or at least in

742
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 6: a position of power in. And then she comes to

743
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 6: the Marlins and it's much different running a small market team.

744
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,959
Speaker 6: So last year she gets her first case of running

745
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 6: the small market team, and now we know that she

746
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 6: wasn't really making final decisions.

747
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 2: It really wasn't.

748
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 6: It was Derek Jeter and Gary Denvo, both of both

749
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 6: of whom I believe, at least so far for Denvo

750
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 6: and at least in some regard for Derek Jeter, were

751
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 6: not good in talent evaluation number one and honestly knowing

752
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 6: when this guy is ready without trying to overprotect the player.

753
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 6: And then they do things that we've talked about multiple times. Like,

754
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 6: they'll call up Leywan Diaz to sit him on the bench,

755
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 6: and they call up Jose Devors to sit him on

756
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 6: the bench, and then he goes down with a season

757
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 6: ending injury.

758
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 2: You know everything they did with Nick Knitted and Braxton Garrett.

759
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, you gotta plug holes, but you know, you have

760
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 6: to protect the prospect's development and when a prospect is ready.

761
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 6: You need to know when that prospect is ready, and

762
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 6: you need to make room for them if you have

763
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 6: long term plans. So everything together, I am excited, honestly

764
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 6: to see what Kim does in a greater position of power.

765
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 6: She has the expertise, she's ready to take the reins

766
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 6: more than she had last year, And I would honestly

767
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 6: love to have been like fly on the wall in

768
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 6: between when Kim says, Hey, I think this guy's ready

769
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 6: to come up like a Bryson Brigman, and then they said, nah,

770
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 6: he's not ready.

771
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: Defensively, you know.

772
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 8: What I mean.

773
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 6: So those would have been fun conversations to hear exactly

774
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 6: where she is on certain prospects. She hasn't been able

775
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 6: to be vocal on that, so I'm I'm really honestly

776
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 6: intrigued to see where she is on certain prospects, how

777
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 6: this opening day roster looks whenever it shakes out, and

778
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 6: how roster movement looks in twenty twenty two and beyond.

779
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 2: I think she's definitely ready for that challenge.

780
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 6: Makes she have some tick ups to the road, Yes, yes,

781
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 6: definitely Like we saw last year, as we said, she

782
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 6: obviously still had input, she still had your voice, but

783
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 6: there were two other voices over her that if they

784
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 6: weren't for it, it wasn't happening. So now she has

785
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 6: that leeway, that freedom. I'm really excited to see how

786
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 6: that goes and how she handles it.

787
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 5: Always a guy who they kept calling up and down,

788
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 5: up and down where he needed to be a stable

789
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 5: in the bullpen or you know, probably in the bullpen.

790
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 5: But that was another guy unquote that they, uh I

791
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 5: just did not keep.

792
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 8: In one place.

793
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: And something else to mention when you talk about the

794
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 3: roster construction is the Marlins were with three pigures throughout

795
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: the whole season and you couldn't have kept Nick Knighted

796
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: and Braxton Garrett in the rotation at a consistent rate,

797
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 3: which is something that just annoyed me a lot that

798
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: they would up and down up and down. You're not

799
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: gonna have a consistent player giving you good quality starts

800
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: if you're going to bring them up and down this

801
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 3: whole season. You know, the last straw for me was

802
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: when they didn't bring up Bryson Bergman and they kept

803
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: playing Isan Diaz consistently. That that for me was just

804
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: like they don't really care a lot about this roster

805
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: construction and the movement of you know, minor leaguers up

806
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: and down. Because Bryson Bergman is one hundred percent ready

807
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: to be a major leaguer.

808
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 8: He proved it.

809
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 3: And the excuse of saying it's the defense is it's

810
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: one hundred percent bs. I don't believe that at all,

811
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: because we've seen the clips of this guy just make

812
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: one of some of the best defensive plays in the

813
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 3: minor leagues this season, at least in Jupid and Jacksonville.

814
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 8: So yeah, I.

815
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: Really am excited to see what Kim Men could do

816
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: because she says this play is ready, this play is ready,

817
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 3: as Alex mentioned, bring him up, and now she has

818
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: the chance to do that as she will have a

819
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: lot more I guess Lee Wayne to the decisions. She'll

820
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: have more powers as many say so I'm excited, and

821
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,479
Speaker 3: she said they weren't done. She herself said it at

822
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 3: the press conference introducing Ibsyo that they weren't done, so right,

823
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: better not be done.

824
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: That was three months ago, And that is the interesting

825
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: question here. It was three months ago. It was even

826
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: though the lockout was inevitable at that point, I think

827
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: even somebody like myself who was a pessimist, I was

828
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: expecting that they would be able to find some common

829
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: ground before the start of the season, that we'd still

830
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: get a full length season, which at this point seems

831
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 1: essentially out the door. So things have changed. And as

832
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: we mentioned before, the revenue that this team, their honest

833
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: revenue projections for this franchise, if they're being realistic, might

834
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: not be what they originally thought they would for this

835
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: upcoming season in terms of how much ammunition financially they

836
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: have to work with. It's just a fascinating for now

837
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: who to believe between Jeter and between Bruce Sherman. With Sherman,

838
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: I think from the beginning he entered as the primary

839
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: financer of this ownership group for full transparency, people knew

840
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: that his pockets weren't quite as deep as the other

841
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: billionaires I don't like to defend billionaires, but I think

842
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: I think people accepted that when he bought the team,

843
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: this was a guy that would spend frugally and responsibly

844
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: and efficiently. So the reality of the lockouts impact on

845
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: what this team could realistically expect to make in terms

846
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: of revenue. That he's not going to put money into

847
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: the team unless he knows that the money is coming in.

848
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: I think Kim was fighting against that last off season

849
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: when we talked about last off season how they ended

850
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: up making some moves that we liked, but settling for

851
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: Adam Duval when they wanted to go after outfielders last

852
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 1: offseason that were more well rounded everyday players in terms

853
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: of getting Anthony Bass as their big bullpen acquisition, and

854
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 1: we know they could have chopped in like a higher

855
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: price range to fill that need as well. Like this,

856
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: the impact this doesn't necessarily all go away just because

857
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: Jeter is gone.

858
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: The more go ahead, Yeah, go ahead.

859
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: No.

860
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, on your on your point,

861
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: and I think you're exactly right.

862
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 6: But I would say, you know you're looking at owners

863
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 6: as owners, and you said it yourself that Bruce.

864
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: Sherman isn't not the richest guy in baseball and not

865
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: the richest guy in the world.

866
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 6: He has money, yeah, for sure, he's a billionaires, like

867
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 6: you said, but there are much more lucrative owners and

868
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 6: and and people around this league than Bruce Sherman. So

869
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 6: it boggles my mind to think that Bruce is sitting

870
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 6: there and looking at a month's worth of revenue loss

871
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 6: and he's okay with that. Because the more games that

872
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 6: this team loses, and smaller market teams like the Marlins lose,

873
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 6: the more you're not going to be able to sign

874
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 6: players that are going to make you win right now.

875
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 6: And you're looking at Adam Duval's and Anthony Bass's and

876
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 6: those kind of players and players people are gonna show

877
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 6: up for that, and we saw it this past season,

878
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 6: like you know, and then they trade to Dove all

879
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 6: on top of it, so you know, like it's just

880
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 6: it's just crazy to think that that Bruce Sherman is

881
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 6: sitting there as an owner and saying, hey, I'm cool

882
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 6: with losing a month worth of television money, and you know,

883
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 6: with no fans of the park and no concessions and

884
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 6: everything else, it really is crazy to think about that because,

885
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 6: like you said, and like I've said, that's that's where

886
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 6: that's where owners make money, and when that's not happening,

887
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 6: smaller market teams are the ones that hurt a lot

888
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 6: more than big market teams. And obviously the Marlins are

889
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 6: very small market teams. So if we lose a month

890
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 6: worth of games, you lie, honestly and all of you guys,

891
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 6: I would say that what they're going to sign unless

892
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 6: they have a sudden influx of money, unless he sells

893
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 6: a portion of the team and another owner comes in

894
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 6: and is willing to spend on this product. I really

895
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 6: don't think we're going to expect any big, huge, big

896
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 6: name signings.

897
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: That's just an opinion.

898
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 3: And to be fair, Adam Duval did work out for Miami.

899
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 3: We just were done. It wasn't a good decision to

900
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: trade him, but he did work out. People didn't.

901
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: People didn't show up to see Duval, then they're definitely

902
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: not going to show up to see Alex.

903
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 8: That's fair.

904
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: Something that I brought up to Alex on his face

905
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: the session that I wanted to reiterate here for our

906
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: audience is my expectation that in the immediate term we

907
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 1: might not see a whole lot of other people within

908
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: the Yankees organization, within the Marlins organization followed Jeter out

909
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: the door. I don't know if there's necessarily going to

910
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: be a whole lot of turnover in player development and

911
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: in the front office right away, especially on the minor

912
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: league side. For all the chaos going around to the

913
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: major league level, the minor league season is going to

914
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: progress as normal, just without forty man roster players for

915
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: the time being. All those affiliates are going to play

916
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: full length seasons, and a lot of those player development

917
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: people from Gary Denbo all the way down to some

918
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: of their minor league managers, and they're well regarded pitching instructors.

919
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: A lot of those people actually had Yankees ties and

920
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: are brought in by Jeter and by Denbo to like

921
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: help shape up this minor league system, which was in

922
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: terrible shape in all regards when the ownership change happened.

923
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: But because it's going to be a full minor league

924
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: season and at this stage in the offseason. Again, what

925
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: made the news so stunning is that it came right

926
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: now at the last day of February Highland U usual.

927
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: So if people leave those positions, there are not open

928
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: spots with other organizations right now. I don't think there

929
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: are going to be these people are going to like

930
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: forego their salaries for the twenty twenty two season just

931
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: because Jeter left. They could have all the respect in

932
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: the world for Jeter, but just because Jeter brought them

933
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: in and gave them opportunities they didn't have before, they

934
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have to reciprocate that loyalty by walking out

935
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: and leaving the team in a bad spot that way.

936
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: So for the moment, the farm system is in an

937
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: interesting place, which we'll talk about in like a future

938
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,959
Speaker 1: unrelated episode. I want to wind this one down. It's

939
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: just for the time being and what is a very

940
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: critical year on the development side to integrate a lot

941
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: of their recent draft picks and some of the other

942
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: prospects that they've traded for. This is a time where

943
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: they can kind of re establish themselves as an elite

944
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: farm system after potentially taking a dip last year because

945
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: of a lot of the graduations that they had to

946
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: the major league level. I think for the moment that

947
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: as weird as it sounds, because Jeter being the most

948
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: recognizable guy attached to the Marlins organization, the immediate impact

949
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: I don't expect there to be a whole much to

950
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: do with it, because at the major league level, when

951
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: you have Kim Aang kind of stepping into those responsibilities

952
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: as leading baseball operations, and with the minor league season

953
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: set to go and no other places to go for

954
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: all the player development people in there, I think, at

955
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: least initially, we're not going to feel that much of

956
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: a difference with him gone. That's just my speculation.

957
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I mean minor league around the corner,

958
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: it doesn't really make sense to start firing people from

959
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 3: the minor league. I would say maybe next season, the

960
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: next minor league season, and I think we spoke about

961
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: this in Alex's space.

962
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 8: Is that Gary Dembo?

963
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: Obviously I think he's gone, but not this season coming up.

964
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: Definitely the next one after there's a new CEO. It's established.

965
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: But you know all that, and maybe we'll be seeing

966
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 3: some more firings when it comes to the hitting out

967
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 3: side of the minor leagues because the pitching looks great.

968
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: I mean Max Meyer, Yuri, Tonio Vealez, who I've actually

969
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: looked into a lot more after after the articles that

970
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: I've seen. You got fish on the farm, so that's

971
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 3: something definitely to look at there when it comes to hitting.

972
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 3: I want to see changes sit hidden because Ja Jo

973
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 3: Blade wasn't that good hitting. Connor Scott got traded because

974
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 3: he just wasn't that good hitting, for example. I mean,

975
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: if we could see an improvement when it comes to

976
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 3: the hitting standpoint, that's then then there's a case to say, Okay,

977
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 3: maybe not fire everyone, but we have to get rid

978
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 3: of some deaths.

979
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 6: So then Vin, I mean, the one guy that has

980
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 6: to be has to be protected if he can be

981
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 6: at all costs.

982
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 2: The uh yes, Splik needs to be here.

983
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 6: I mean, I can't imagine after everything that he's done,

984
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 6: with every draft that he's run, most of which have

985
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 6: been spectacular. That guy's phenomenal, and he's great at picking

986
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 6: out talent in the later rounds as well. He's great

987
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 6: after the draft and signing guys like Paul McIntosh who

988
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 6: was an undrafted free agent who had a great showing

989
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 6: in Jupiter. You know, so, honestly, I really would hope

990
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 6: that he is still here other guys, like you said, Eli,

991
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 6: it's a huge year for Denbo, it's a huge year

992
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 6: for other guys on that forefront. You can go down

993
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 6: to guys like Hector Crespo and Jeffy Grude, they have

994
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 6: they answer for that that dat and hitting as well.

995
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 6: I mean it's not just Gary Denbo. He's the main guy,

996
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 6: but then there's other guys behind him that are working

997
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 6: with him. And those are the guys who I think

998
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 6: after as you said on the spaces, not right now,

999
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 6: because Minor league spring training is starting in a couple

1000
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 6: of days, and you know you're not gonna blow up

1001
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 6: everything and bring in a brand new bunch of guys

1002
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 6: right now.

1003
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 2: However, we see.

1004
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 6: Another year like last year on the offensive side of

1005
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 6: the ball, there's gonna be guys like well, and it's

1006
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 6: gonna be very easy for a new CEO or whatever

1007
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 6: the title is to excuse those dismissals.

1008
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 2: So those are the guys that really should be feeling.

1009
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 6: The hottest seat I think is on player development and

1010
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 6: then as a secondary to that. And we can get

1011
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 6: into this at another time, and I get to wrap

1012
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 6: it up is Don Mattingly, And that's all I gotta say.

1013
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 8: Just reiterate your point really quick.

1014
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 5: All these you know, Hector Cresco, Jeff de Grute, they're

1015
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 5: all promoted by Jeter just now. So you think, you know,

1016
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 5: they're gonna at least make it through this season and

1017
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 5: based on the performance of the minor league system through

1018
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 5: the twenty twenty two year, I think then whoever is

1019
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 5: in charge, whether it's kim Ay or whether it's just

1020
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 5: Sherman out right, I don't think it's gonna be he.

1021
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 5: I don't think he even knows who these guys are.

1022
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 5: But you know it'll be, you know, someone like kim

1023
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 5: Ay who will be making the decision to either get

1024
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 5: rid of a lot of them or keep them if

1025
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 5: they do well. But they were all just promoted by

1026
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 5: Derek Jeter himself, So I think that's like something that

1027
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 5: really and sided with the weird timing of.

1028
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 6: It all, I'll say one more thing before we get

1029
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 6: off the topic and you guys go.

1030
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: The Marlins have absolutely amazing people on the educational side,

1031
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: headed by Colleen Mitchell.

1032
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 6: Colleen Mitchell is spectacular. She heads up the education at

1033
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 6: the Dominican Academy. We just saw their last class come

1034
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 6: out that had fourteen players, including Uri Peiz.

1035
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: They do amazing work.

1036
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 6: They just had obviously this brand new facility open, and

1037
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 6: even before that, this new facility is just going to

1038
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 6: make them even better, and it's going to be incredible

1039
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 6: what they do with these young Latin players. And then

1040
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 6: on top of that, Adrian Lorenzo, who earned his job

1041
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 6: to be where he is an international scouting so the

1042
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 6: international director. So yeah, there are people here that came

1043
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 6: here by way of Derek Peter and are in the

1044
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 6: positions that they're in by way of Derek Jeter that

1045
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 6: honestly deserve it and should be there, and I don't

1046
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 6: think should have any part of.

1047
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: Being dismissed by this organization.

1048
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 6: So hopefully whoever takes over can blend their guys with

1049
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 6: Jeter's guys and we can make it come together.

1050
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 2: That's my wish.

1051
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of wrapping my mind around how different

1052
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: it's going to be covering a team that is not

1053
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: headed by Derek Jeter. It was an automatic. We were

1054
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: talking about the draft and the minor leaguers every single

1055
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: time the Marlins acquire a new young player. Like in

1056
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: all those first interviews, the question is have you spoken

1057
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: to Derek Jeter yet? Was Derek Jeter your favorite player

1058
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: growing up? It's always yes, because he was for He

1059
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: was the face of baseball for probably a decade and

1060
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: a half during most of his playing career, and one

1061
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: of my takes that I mentioned up top I think

1062
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people would agree with me, is that

1063
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: he's been the face of the Marlins for these four

1064
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: and a half years too, just because they just haven't

1065
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 1: had any elite players when they traded Stanton and Yelich

1066
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: and Ozuna and kind of in their void, they've had

1067
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: players that moving forward, I think have that potential to

1068
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: really identify with a lot of people in Jazz Chisholm

1069
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: and in Sandy Alcantra really being the two prime candidates,

1070
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: but Jeter was the headliner when you're talking about the Marlins,

1071
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: even for people living in South Florida, even people following

1072
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: the team locally. He was the first guy you think

1073
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: of when he thought of the current iteration of the Marlins,

1074
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: just because of how profile he was during his career,

1075
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: how seemingly involved he was in a lot of these

1076
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: big baseball decisions in recent years. And whoever fills his shoes,

1077
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: my guess is that again they're going to mostly trust

1078
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: who they have on the baseball side and potentially bring

1079
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: in a new executive more on the business side, because

1080
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: that was kind of where the most tension was put

1081
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: into play here. It's not the struggles of the major

1082
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: league leveble were frustrating, but the fact that this is

1083
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: a team that they that felt they bought for a

1084
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: pretty relatively low priced by major league centers, and the

1085
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: franchise value probably hasn't gone up at all, if not,

1086
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: it's gone down since then. That they need help on

1087
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: the business side for the baseball side, whoever they bring in,

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Speaker 1: and you're not gonna care about that person even a

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Speaker 1: fraction as much as you cared about Derek Jeeter, which

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Speaker 1: means that in that void to give the Marlins relevance,

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Speaker 1: they gotta win games. It's even more critical than ever

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Speaker 1: before that if you do not have that celebrity executive,

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Speaker 1: you need to actually have the product that makes people care,

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Speaker 1: makes people invest in what you're doing. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a whole lot to say on this subject. I thought

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Speaker 1: we kept it really brief here, and yet it goes

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Speaker 1: fifty five minutes. So you know that there's just so

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Speaker 1: many angles to cover here, especially if worst case scenario,

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Speaker 1: we got to wait a while for the start of

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Speaker 1: the major league season. At the very least, we know

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Speaker 1: minor league stuff is coming in just a matter of

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Speaker 1: days we get going with the spring training side of that.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be fun, It's gonna be fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: But so many ramifications of this move not necessarily all

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Speaker 1: for the bad though, you know, very mixed consequences potentially

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Speaker 1: coming out of this. I think Kevin Barrall as a kazooit,

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Speaker 1: Alex Carver a fish on the for joining me Eli

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Speaker 1: Susman here on the official show. I'll keep doing this podcast.

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Speaker 1: We actually have a pretty interesting guest lined up for

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Speaker 1: next week, and I'll be doing a lot of solo

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Speaker 1: pods along the way to build the time as we

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Speaker 1: cover the Marlins and what could be a long lead

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Speaker 1: up for the twenty twenty two season. At least we

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Speaker 1: finally have some good content to go into to have

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Speaker 1: some takes about. So we appreciate everybody listening. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys joining us. Subscribe to the pod wherever you

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Speaker 1: get it. Subscribe to our YouTube channel too. We want

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Speaker 1: to reach a thousand subscribers on YouTube as well, and

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Speaker 1: we're inching in the right direction for the people watching

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Speaker 1: over there. Thank you very much. I'm Eli Susman. As always,

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Speaker 1: go Fish