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Speaker 2: All right, Danny Parkins joining me, Spain upset France. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to show you just to give you some example

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Speaker 2: of how into the World Cup I've been. So Didier Deschamp,

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Speaker 2: the manager of France Leaves and Zennida Zidon. The fact

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Speaker 2: I got close on those, it's really an achievement.

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Speaker 1: You're crushing it, Colin, you're crushing it.

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Speaker 2: But seriously, I thought, France, you know, it's really remarkable

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Speaker 2: how Spain matches up with France, so basically until the end,

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Speaker 2: I mean, France had one shot on goal, I mean,

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Speaker 2: and then they got a couple at the end. Spain

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Speaker 2: dominates possession. Spain's won thirty seven matches without losing. They

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Speaker 2: controlled possession. It reminded me a little bit in the

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Speaker 2: first few minutes, a little bit of United States Belgium,

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Speaker 2: where you watch this hyper aggressive team and within ninety

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Speaker 2: seconds we are pinned deep in our territory and we

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Speaker 2: can't get it out. And I'm watching Spain do the

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Speaker 2: same thing to France, where France can't maintain possessions, they're

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Speaker 2: pinned deep. Spain had multiple opportunities and like our goalie,

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Speaker 2: the goalie for France, you know, by no means lost

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Speaker 2: the game, but was a little indecisive, was a little

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Speaker 2: sketchy early. But I was just taken by and soccer

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Speaker 2: can do this almost like no other sport, an incredibly gifted,

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Speaker 2: confident team. Within ninety seconds, it is basically holding on

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Speaker 2: for dear life. And it just jumped through the television to.

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Speaker 1: Me, Yeah, we got to do We were like the

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Speaker 1: We're the second post game show. You know, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: the majority of people were with Laton and Thieri and

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Speaker 1: Alexi and Rebecca, but if you cheer switched over to

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Speaker 1: FS one. We did an hour of post on it

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Speaker 1: and I was really proud of it. I thought we

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Speaker 1: did a good job at the ot. It was listen.

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Speaker 1: I picked Spain in the game. I picked Spain before

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Speaker 1: the tournament to win it. The frontline attacking of France

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Speaker 1: is remarkable. Spain's allowed one goal all tournament. Spain beat

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Speaker 1: France in the Euros in twenty twenty four, Spain beat

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Speaker 1: France in the Semis, by the way, in the Euros,

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Speaker 1: they beat him in the Semis of the Nation's League

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, and they just beat him in

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Speaker 1: the Semis of the twenty twenty six World Cup. So

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Speaker 1: the thirty seven match streak for Spain that you're talking about, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but three of them will come against France like they

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Speaker 1: just their defense knows what to do, and I thought

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Speaker 1: it was suffocating. And sometimes I think like a little

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Speaker 1: just a snowball effect for France. Like they got a

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Speaker 1: and it just it got away from him really quick,

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Speaker 1: allowed one goal the whole tournament. The record, the World's

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Speaker 1: Cup record for a World Cup champion is two. It's

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Speaker 1: been done three times. So we went we're going to

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Speaker 1: go from like if Spain shuts out Argentina or England,

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Speaker 1: we will go from weeks of talking about this is

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Speaker 1: France's World's Cup to lose. France is the best offense

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Speaker 1: team we've ever seen. France is the best collection of

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Speaker 1: to Spain just turned in the best defensive performance in

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Speaker 2: You know we've said this before, is that great defense

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Speaker 2: when it meets a great offense, the defense almost always wins.

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Speaker 2: It's almost always because what you're doing. A great defense

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Speaker 2: speeds up everything you do offensively. So in France was

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Speaker 2: struggling to maintain possessions. It's like I've used the example before.

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Speaker 2: If you're a you know, you're a typist and you

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Speaker 2: you make more mistakes. Right Like if you watched we

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Speaker 2: Everything New England did had to be a beat and

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what's if you go look at Mahomes

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Speaker 2: of thought, well, France has an all star team but

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Speaker 2: you know, it's another example of a great defense kind

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Speaker 1: There's no question that's what happened. It's what I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's what they did to Portugal. Not that there is

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Speaker 1: great of an offense, but like France, Spain hasn't really

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Speaker 1: not as embarrassing of a result for Spain. But I

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Speaker 1: think what happened in this World's Cup was because Harry

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Speaker 1: all of the stars on the star Leyden teams were

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Speaker 1: Spain's not scoring a ton of goals and their star

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Speaker 1: isn't the guy that we hyped up is like, this

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Speaker 1: this eighteen year old wizard and all that. But he's

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Speaker 1: had like a slow, weird World Cup. Everyone's just been

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Speaker 1: talking about the goals scoring because offense is easier for

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Speaker 1: us to consume, and the Golden boot race and you

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Speaker 1: Spain's allowed one goal the whole tournament, right, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're probably gonna win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's been remarkable. And I said this that

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Speaker 2: there is not Erling Holland today is more well known

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you go Earling Holland now as sixty

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Speaker 2: six million followers on Instagram, the top IG performer in

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Speaker 2: the NHL has two IG's not everything, but it's something.

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Speaker 2: It's a pretty good indicator of global stardom. And I

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Speaker 2: said this, when Tiger entered the PGA, it spiked, but

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Speaker 2: Because golf has always been and I love it, fairly elitist.

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Speaker 2: It's hard lots of people start and quit. Very few

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Speaker 2: to the WNBA, it spikes to this day when she plays,

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Speaker 2: a million people watch she doesn't three hundred and fifty thousand.

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Speaker 2: Soccer's different, We're out. The numbers are still remarkable. And

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Speaker 2: so if you're asking staying power, much more than golf,

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Speaker 2: have sensational star players. And I'm not saying it's the NFL,

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Speaker 2: but what I've watched from attendance, this is non USA games,

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Speaker 1: So I heard this take from you earlier today, and

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Speaker 1: I guess what I would say is, this is a

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Speaker 1: perfect storm of events that is happening. It's it's in

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Speaker 1: The stars are playing and playing well, scoring goals. Like

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Speaker 1: I just mentioned, the Marquee brands are advancing deep like

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Speaker 1: That helps. And the World's Cup is awesome. And I

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Speaker 1: I have no doubt at all that millions and millions

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Speaker 1: my experience as someone who falls for soccer every World's Cup,

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Speaker 1: And I wish I would have bought it ten years

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Speaker 1: our time zones, and it's three or five levels lower

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Speaker 1: that momentum is going to carry where I can say

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Speaker 2: But it's interesting because we love I've gone to Wimbledon. Well,

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Speaker 2: may go for in Flushing Meadows for a night. It's

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Speaker 2: supposed to be just just a rocking event, just in

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Speaker 1: The way, I hadn't done it until I moved to

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Speaker 2: odds like, it's hard for us to reconcile that, and

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Speaker 3: He was the.

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00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: Best fourth quarter, come from behind quarterback in the league.

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Speaker 2: He may have the second best arm to Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't throw picks, never gets hurt, didn't take many sacks,

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Speaker 2: the sport. You would without a doubt, so that's top

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Speaker 2: three quarterback. Of course you would because he is. And

493
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: people say, well, he's inconsistent. So is Matt Stafford, so

494
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 2: is Justin Herbert last two years. So is Mahomes, so

495
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Speaker 2: is Josh Allen. There are very few Brady's that you

496
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Speaker 2: got the same guy every Sunday, like Peyton Manning put

497
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: him in cold weather, wasn't quite the same quarterback. And

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Speaker 2: I said this, and I think people now because I

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Speaker 2: live in Chicago, I'm like, guys, he made a play

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Speaker 2: against the Packers in the playoffs and won against the Rams,

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00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: and it didn't line up with football physics. It's the

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00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: same thing I saw in year two with Mahomes. I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I've never seen that before. Like, I don't think it's

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00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: a I don't think it's a not only is it

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Speaker 2: not outrageous, I don't even think it's a reach. I

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Speaker 2: think he's in the running for the third best quarterback

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Speaker 2: in the league. You can argue he's the fourth, but

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Speaker 2: you can't put him below like five. I mean you can't.

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Speaker 2: He's no interceptions, never hurt, seven game winning drives, first

510
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: year with a new coach, horsepower, arm strength. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how can you put him below Joe

512
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: Burrell that can't make the playoffs and can't stay healthy,

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00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: or Herbert who I love but has been has been

514
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: awful in the postseason, Like, how do I put him

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00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: below them?

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Speaker 1: Listen, I saw your list and I saw you do

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Speaker 1: the list, and it let into Nick Right coming on

518
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Speaker 1: your show, and he said something to you that he

519
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: soft sold. I'm very mad at both of you. Okay,

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00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: you are Colin Coward, fame and fortune. Okay, radio TV,

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Speaker 1: the volume. I never know which home you're broadcasting from

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Speaker 1: when we talk Nick Right, he has broken through. He's

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Speaker 1: a superstar. He's the Lebron guy, He's the Mahomes guy,

524
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 1: ridd in their coat tails to fame and fortune. And

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Speaker 1: here's little old Danny comes and breaks into the national scene,

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out my take. Corners from Chicago, A

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Speaker 1: born and raised Bears guy, never seen a great quarterback,

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Speaker 1: don't even know what they look like, never eating one

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Speaker 1: where a Bears before I'm gonna be the Caleb guy.

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Speaker 1: And before I can even make my pick, last year,

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Speaker 1: Nick picks the Bears to go to the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: steals that take from me. Colin comes out and is like,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's better than Matt Stafford who won the

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Speaker 1: MVP last year. The third bet Lamar Jackson and his

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Speaker 1: two MVPs. Nah, it's ridiculous to say so, like you

536
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Speaker 1: guys are trying to box me. I need Caleb to

537
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Speaker 1: level up. Nick doesn't need Caleb. You don't need Caleb.

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Speaker 1: Now I have to be like, well, listen, Colin, he

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Speaker 1: did complete fifty eight percent of his passes last year

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Speaker 1: and he's ever thrown for four thousand yards, and I

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Speaker 1: would like him to be a little bit like I

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00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: own every share of Caleb Williams stock that it would exist.

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Speaker 1: But I still do think that that list that you

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Speaker 1: put him third, it is projection based, Like yes to me.

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Speaker 1: The argument for Caleb is year one, before he had

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, when he's coming from USC and going into

547
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: the NFL. He had a few moments of brilliance, but

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00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: he was the sack rate was basically the worst we

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Speaker 1: had ever seen in the history of the NFL, and

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Speaker 1: at times he looked straight up lost. And then in

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00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: year two he was elite at avoiding sacks, Like he

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00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: took his biggest flaw and he turned it into a

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00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: legitimate strength one year. And that's before you add in

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Speaker 1: the seven fourth quarter comebacks, the heroics, the one percent plays,

555
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: the athleticism, all of the you know, sixth then yards

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Speaker 1: for the for the offense everything that he did else,

557
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: but like he took a big weakness the biggest strength great.

558
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: So now I assume year two in Ben Johnson's system,

559
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: year three in the league, he will drastically increase his consistency,

560
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: drastically increase his efficiency, and he's going to put up

561
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: some monster numbers and be a top five quarterback in football.

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Speaker 1: But he hasn't done it yet, and so I don't

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Speaker 1: have any doubt that he's about to do it. I

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00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: think he's going to be in the MVP conversation. I

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00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: think that the things that regress for the Bears he's

566
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: going to make up for by taking a step forward.

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Speaker 1: I think they could have a top five offense, if

568
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Speaker 1: not the best offense in the sport. And I think

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Speaker 1: he's going to be a super Bowl champion and an

570
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Speaker 1: MVP and all of the things that I've dreamt of

571
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: for thirty nine years on this earth to be the

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Speaker 1: Bears quarterback. But none of that that reasonable, excellent Caleb

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Speaker 1: take doesn't matter anymore because you say he's the third

574
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Speaker 1: best quarterback in the NFL and you're still on the headlines.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because I said today I am keeping

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Speaker 2: justin Herbert high because I am considering Mike McDaniel is

577
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Speaker 2: a new OC. Jared Goff makes my top ten because

578
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Speaker 2: he's got Drew Pinsick from Arizona, an excellent OC.

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00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 3: Last year, Arizona.

580
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: Bizarrely scored a ton of points with Jacobe Prezett because

581
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: they have a very clever maybe not Ben Johnson level,

582
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: but very clever OC. Now he's in Detroit. So it

583
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: was a projection based on here's what I've seen. Here's

584
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: the elements that have been added. A star receiver, a

585
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: good OC. This is what I think we'll see.

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Speaker 1: You listen to.

587
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: Matt Stafford may have a left tackle issue, which would

588
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: not be that big of a deal for a Sam Darnold.

589
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: It's a huge deal for Matt Stafford because you know

590
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: they've got some issues at tackle right now because Rob

591
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: Havenstein is gone, Whitworth years ago left, and they've you know,

592
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Speaker 2: they've had guys.

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Speaker 3: More than they've had stars.

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Speaker 2: So but I think when I look at Caleb, my

595
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: takeaway is and I've got a type. Matt Hasselbeck came

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Speaker 2: on later, He's like, boy, you have a type, and

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00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: my type is love Jordan love Caleb Darnold. I like thick,

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00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: big whip, move off, you know, move off, scripted play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, me too, Like it's it's more fun

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00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: to root for. It represents a higher ceiling. They need

601
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: less things to go right around them. Like if you

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Speaker 1: were going to say who is the most talented quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, I think your list is like correct,

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00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: Alan Mahomes, Caleb right, Like the pure quarterbacking talent, physical gifts.

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Speaker 1: I think I think those are the guys. How many

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00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: people in the league can do the thing that he

607
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Speaker 1: did against the Rams?

608
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Speaker 3: Nobody?

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Speaker 1: Right, I think Alan, Alan right, I think that might

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00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: be a two person list. Now, some people would say

611
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford would never be in that position because you

612
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Speaker 1: would never be eighteen yards behind the line of scrimmage. Right.

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00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: There is that component to it, and I understand it.

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00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: But there is like a his one percent place. Because

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Speaker 1: I've made a point the other day about Caleb and

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Speaker 1: like his highlight tape, and people are in my comments like, well,

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Speaker 1: quarterbacking is in a highlight tape. I'm like, it's not

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Speaker 1: a highlight tape if you're in year nine, but if

619
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Speaker 1: you're in year two and year one in a system

620
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Speaker 1: I absolutely think that your best should be made more

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Speaker 1: heavily than your worst or your blips, because the blips

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Speaker 1: I can easily write off as he's young, he's learning

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Speaker 1: the offense, he's making the transition to the NFL. Oh

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Speaker 1: Doomsay is young, and Loveland is young, and Burden is young,

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Speaker 1: and like, it's a young offense. But if he can

626
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Speaker 1: give me the highs of MVP Mahomes and year eight

627
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Speaker 1: or nine Josh Allen like as a year two player,

628
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Speaker 1: I am of course gonna way the highs more heavily

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Speaker 1: for the twenty three year old in his second year

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. I'd be crazy not to.

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Speaker 2: So there was a I try not to talk about

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Speaker 2: other hosts because what we do for a living is hard.

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Speaker 2: You're unscripted talking three hours. But I do think Dan

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Speaker 2: Patrick and Kathy Engelbert basically stiffing Dan Patrick is kind

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Speaker 2: of interesting. So, first of all, we've all had guests canceled.

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Speaker 2: Anybody that's done this local syndicated. It happens, sports politics,

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Speaker 2: it happens. Commissioners don't cancel. If they do, there's a

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Speaker 2: fundamental problem within their league. There's a major controversy. But

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Speaker 2: I made the argument. So I have no problem with

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Speaker 2: Dan emoting on the air because he was, you know, viscerally,

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Speaker 2: he was upset. When you're hosting a show and you

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Speaker 2: can see somebody over there, I've never had this and

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Speaker 2: they won't come on your show and they've scheduled it,

644
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 2: I'd be pissed too. And I think what makes radio

645
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: different than scripted news or writers that have copy editors.

646
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: We are raw, we are live. Get you get.

647
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,959
Speaker 2: Sometimes you get sparks. And I thought Dan had every

648
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Speaker 2: right to say this is ridiculous. I had no problem

649
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Speaker 2: with it at all. It was it was just real

650
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Speaker 2: quick listen.

651
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Speaker 1: I the video of her in the soundtrap while he

652
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: is doing the commentary shys. It was spectacular. So hats

653
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Speaker 1: off to their production team. That was awesome.

654
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I said this, if you really look at

655
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Speaker 2: what has happened to the WNBA, I said, consider all

656
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: these sports of business, the business of baseball over the

657
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 2: last like four years, lots of tweaks. The game was slow,

658
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: it had lost a rhythm, it took too long. They

659
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 2: made multiple tweaks. They've all were Rob Manford was a

660
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 2: great CEO, a great operator of a business. I think

661
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: I'm not defending the WNBA. But think about what has

662
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: happened in like three years. They bring the most popular

663
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: player ever into the league and they're just not ready

664
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 2: for it. I mean it's almost like a band gets

665
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: hot and the artist literally it's like Coachella happens and

666
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: you weren't ready for it. Now Coachella now plans for it.

667
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: But it's like an artist that gets hot and you

668
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Speaker 2: get a stampede.

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Speaker 3: You don't have seats, you.

670
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: Don't have parking, you run out of food by the

671
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Speaker 2: second act. So Caitlin comes, they're not quite ready. It explodes,

672
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Speaker 2: and then they're in the middle by the second year

673
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: of contract negotiations. Then they introduce three teams. Golden State's

674
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: team has a billion dollar valuation. It is the it

675
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: is leader in the league in attendance. Toronto Tempo home Run,

676
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: Portland Fire home run. They introduce three new teams, all

677
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: hit and I said, what's happened is this is a

678
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: business with insane two year hypergrowth and forget that it's basketball.

679
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 2: They just can't get their damn arms around it. It's

680
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: now they are paranoid. They've never been criticized because they've

681
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: never been discussed on any of these shows, and I think,

682
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: and I'm not defending him because Kathy Engelbertner's staff, I

683
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: think we're absolutely on the wrong side with Dan and

684
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: he has every right to emote, but part of me

685
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: looks at it and I just think, you know, it's

686
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: like when Connor McGregor came to the UFC and he

687
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: had some like inappropriate moments, like remember he was throwing

688
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: something at a bus.

689
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: Connor was so big, so fast.

690
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Speaker 2: It's like, we're you know, Dana White's like, holy shit,

691
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 2: we got ourselves are all ee right like and it's

692
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: it's and Connor was you know, he was just so

693
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: big and powerful and popular and fantastic, but he was

694
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: a big ass personality, right yeah. And then and then

695
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: when Tiger got on the tour, when he exploded on

696
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Speaker 2: the tour, I think a lot of the tour wasn't

697
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Speaker 2: quite ready for him. Like Network's got heavy criticism. They

698
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: showed him every hole, like literally, they monitored every single shot.

699
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Speaker 2: You didn't really do that with golf, right, So could

700
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Speaker 2: I make the argument these are all businesses, hyper growth

701
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Speaker 2: is just really hard. Some mistakes were absolutely predictable.

702
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Speaker 1: That is a very generous read on this because let

703
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Speaker 1: me just let me use your examples. I've interviewed Dana

704
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Speaker 1: White a couple of times over the last decade, but

705
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Speaker 1: I do not know Dana White. I've never met him

706
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Speaker 1: in person, and I have a lot of like disagreements

707
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: with some of the things that he's done in terms

708
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: of like state answers that he's taken, inconsistencies, behavior in

709
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: his personal life, things like that, Right, But I don't

710
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: think anybody, and I do consider myself a fan of

711
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: the UFC, I don't think anybody could argue that Dana

712
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: White hasn't been a good leader and steward of mixed

713
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: martial arts in the UFC. He's been He's been a leader, right,

714
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Speaker 1: He's been a visionary, he's been out.

715
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Speaker 3: He's attacked I mean, he attacked COVID. He was a

716
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Speaker 3: leader with.

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Speaker 1: It, just just with with a lot of things with

718
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Speaker 1: just like the growth of it and having a vision

719
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Speaker 1: and the venue changes and the media rights deals and

720
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Speaker 1: defending the sport against allegations of barbarism and just like

721
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: all he's just like he has clearly been a good

722
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Speaker 1: leader for the UFC, even if there has been serious

723
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: bad moments with him. Tiger Tiger was. It's like Roger

724
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: Goodell getting a lot of credit for the media rights

725
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Speaker 1: deals for the NFL. It's like, I think I could

726
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: have negotiated record setting media rights deals for the NFL.

727
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: You know, Like it's just like you know, so like

728
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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour has had some leadership changes and issues,

729
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: but like anybody could have been in charge of the

730
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Speaker 1: PGA Tour from nineteen ninety seven to two thousand and

731
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Speaker 1: eight and seen exponential medioric growth like it didn't. I

732
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Speaker 1: have not gotten the sense that Kathy Engelbert has been

733
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Speaker 1: up to the task of leadership through this thing, and

734
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Speaker 1: I just think that there's been Like if Adam Silver

735
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Speaker 1: was the commissioner of the WNBA, I feel like this

736
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark experience would have been better. I think some

737
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: of these things are just I think they're just weird

738
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: self inflicted wounds. And agreeing to go on Dan Patrick

739
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: and then canceling is just and then blaming pr you're

740
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: the commissioner, they work for you, like that's that's PR one.

741
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: Oh one, that's well.

742
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: How about the poster where they knew going in they

743
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: couldn't use Caitlin Clark's likeness and they still release the poster.

744
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: Right, and but just and the the commentary and the

745
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: fouling and the jealousy and the the allegations about what

746
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: your fans have said an arenas like, just like stronger

747
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: leadership has been needed to have a vision. We're here,

748
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: We're going there. I'm not expecting perfection. I'm not expecting

749
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: you to bat a thousand, But it feels too often

750
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: to me. And again, I am not watching the WNBA

751
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: with regularly. I am not an expert, so like, I

752
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: know that people don't love when other people parachute in

753
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: and comment, and it just seems to me as a

754
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: media observer and a sports observer, that too often the

755
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: tail has been wagging the dog with the WNBA. And

756
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: it's like we're still having these like dumb Katelyn in

757
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: Clark Debate's like she's been injured. Your league is growing,

758
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: there's a ton of great players, Like someone should just

759
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: get out in front and help reshape the narrative of

760
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: this league and not let like the bad faith online

761
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: actors determine the narratives around your league. So unlike the

762
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: other two examples that you used, I just feel like

763
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: if there was a little bit better leadership in pr

764
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: that they would have like there would have been turbulence,

765
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: there would have been mistakes. But this has been a

766
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: flight where like the flight attendants haven't been allowed to

767
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: get up and serve beverages. Like it's one thing to

768
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: have a little turbulence in the flight and be a

769
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: little uncomfortable. This has been like gripping the armrests, like

770
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: this is uncomfortable, and I just I think a lot

771
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: of it has been avoidable.

772
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I I yeah, I'd like maybe it's because

773
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 2: you know, they are growing.

774
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 3: It is good.

775
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: I saw it, no question they are. But it's like

776
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: a weird thing, right, Like this kind of reminds me

777
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: of our NBA conversation, Like the NBA tons of star power,

778
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: record setting, media rights deals, ratings are going up, and

779
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: part of that's because ratings are calculated in a different way.

780
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: But like, but tanking three point shooting like that, there

781
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: were there have been issues load management. There have been

782
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: issues around it, and like you gotta just because you

783
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: are making more money and your league is growing, doesn't

784
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: mean you have great leadership, right, like, like you could

785
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: just be you know, Bill Clinton, he's the president. The

786
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: internet explodes, it's like, hey, look the economies up.

787
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Speaker 4: It's like, I don't know, man, Like I feel like

788
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 4: a lot of people and I'm a fan, but like,

789
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of people would have been

790
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 4: done pretty well economically if the Internet is invented when

791
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Speaker 4: they were in office.

792
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: You know.

793
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: So I just I don't know. I just I struggle

794
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: to give them too much credit for the Caitlin Clark phenomenon.

795
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: Okay, as a Chicago Bulls season ticket holder, there's two

796
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: calebs to discuss. One of them Caleb Wilson. So, Summer

797
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: League is you gotta be careful. I was talking the

798
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 2: other day with Jason Timpf about this is you know,

799
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: there have been legendary Summer League performers that don't do anything,

800
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: but you get glimpses. The Summer League, for the record,

801
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: now is almost become it really is. It's become like

802
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: another sport, like it's it's four to five weeks of

803
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 2: Really I don't think people understand who have never gone

804
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 2: to the Summer League. It's like a real business. It's

805
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: been brilliantly run. I look forward to it every year

806
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: because of this draft. You get Lindenborg and a Daima

807
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, it is fun, but Caleb Wilson is,

808
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's indisputable. He looks like the best player.

809
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: He and Debonca look like the best players by like

810
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 2: a level in the summer league. How much now now,

811
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: now we knew for the record people had said before

812
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: the draft listen, of the top four players, he may

813
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: have the highest ceiling. He is absolutely the least refined.

814
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: I didn't know he would come out in his first

815
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 2: game and be Larry Bird. He was like, he didn't

816
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: shoot threes in college. I watched them, Caroline. He just

817
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: didn't shoot from the outside. And it's hard to argue

818
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: on what you saw, the verticality, the aggressiveness, the shooting,

819
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Speaker 2: the touch. It was like it was kind of wow, right.

820
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what if Jiannis and Kevin Durant

821
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Speaker 1: had a baby and he was Caleb Wilson. Is that

822
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Speaker 1: too much? Like I am so excited, Like you're a

823
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: bullseason ticket holder. I can't wait to ask you for

824
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: tickets and come to games like this kid is. I

825
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: remember being in college when the Bulls got the one

826
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Speaker 1: point eight percent and winning the lottery and the Derreck

827
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: Rose years, and I might have been a little inebriated,

828
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: and I jumped up off my couch and I started

829
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: just jumping in the air and screaming like just a

830
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: complete lunatic because Derek Rose was coming home. There hadn't

831
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: been much between ninety eight and the Derek Rose draft, right,

832
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: it was rough, and then the Rose injuries and all

833
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: of that. There hasn't been much since Derreck Rose to

834
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: now and Caleb Wilson is wildly exciting because of what

835
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 1: you mentioned with the ceiling and the explosiveness. But I mean,

836
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: just to put a number on it. At North Carolina,

837
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: he went seven of twenty seven from three in his

838
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: year at North Carolina seven of twenty seven. In his

839
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: summer league debut, he went seven of eleven. So he

840
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: had as many threes in his first pro basketball game

841
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: as he did his entire college career, and he was

842
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: hitting step back three. He's like, I don't care. If

843
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: it was some league, I don't care. I don't care.

844
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: If it was pick up basketball, I don't care. If

845
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: it was shooting at the Advocate Center where the Bulls practice.

846
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: If that dude who can jump four feet in the

847
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: air and has his wingspan can shoot seven of eleven

848
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: from three at any stretch. It's wildly exciting. And I

849
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: know I'm in a little deep on the Caleb Wilson stuff,

850
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: and I listen, I think that, like Peterson has said

851
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: all of the right things since he's been in Utah.

852
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: Boozer says the right things, the Bansa says the right things,

853
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: Lindenborg says the right Like these guys are media trained

854
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: and they are professional athletes before they make it to

855
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,439
Speaker 1: the NBA and all of those things. So I tend

856
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: to really not overstate it. But Caleb Wilson is carrying

857
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: himself like a ten year veteran. He said he heard

858
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: the criticism, he heard the questions, and he wasn't able

859
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: to finish his season because of the wrist injury, and

860
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: so as soon as he got cleared, he said he

861
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: has been taking two thousand jump shots a day, two

862
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: thousand and I'm like, when I heard it, I was like, okay, kid,

863
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: that's cute. And then he's hitting step back three pointers

864
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: in the in the I'm like, oh, maybe you had

865
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: actually are taking two thousand jumpers a day, and he's like,

866
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: no one wants it more than me. It's like, so

867
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to get to play against all of these guys,

868
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: like he seems like the real deal and there's awesome.

869
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to watch.

870
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 3: Him develop well.

871
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: And where's Kevin Garnett from. It's it's I mean, let's

872
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 2: let's be clear his comp when you watch him, there

873
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: is some Kevin Garnett. Like there's the length, the explosiveness.

874
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: Kevin was aggressive. I mean, by Kevin's second year he

875
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 2: was an All Star if I remember, so it's like, yeah,

876
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 2: I mean, and Kevin didn't go to college. So when

877
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: I watched them in the summer league, I was like, oh,

878
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: you can see some Kevin Garnett.

879
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 3: That's not a huge reach, that's what he looks like.

880
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, Kevin Garnett is one of the

881
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: best two way players. You know, you know, he's an

882
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: unbelieve top fifty player ever, he's just incredible. That would

883
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: be amazing. Like I said, Giannis, I'm not like in

884
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: this where it's such a shooting league and it's so

885
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: spaced out and physicality away from the basket, you know,

886
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: is not as allowed. It's they wanted to be more

887
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: free flowing. It's like, why when Zion is healthy, he's

888
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 1: so effective because he's a sledgehammer and a finesse. League

889
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: like if Caleb Wilson can like run and slash and

890
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: jump and dunk over everybody as he gets stronger and develops,

891
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: Like you're saying, Garnett, I'm saying, like Yannis like that.

892
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: That to me, that is the dream of just like

893
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 1: the the power forward that is eleven out of ten explosive.

894
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: But if he can shoot also, it's terrifying. So yeah,

895
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: Garnett is a fun one, I said a Mari before

896
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: the drafts.

897
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

898
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like real explosive, just like like the dunk

899
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 1: that he had in his second game. I mean yeah,

900
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: like I have a poster of it already hanging on

901
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: my wall. He was so sick. It's just it is

902
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: so exciting. And Caleb Williams, Caleb Wilson.

903
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 3: Can you ever during the NBA season? Can you ever

904
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 3: get to Chicago?

905
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 2: Because I go to the Bulls games all the time.

906
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 3: I love it.

907
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 2: We have a suite upstairs. It's like a not one

908
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 2: of the corporate suites. It's it's below that so it's

909
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: closer to the floor. It is a great time. It

910
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: is a great time.

911
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean listen, you know it's NBA, it's NFL season,

912
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: so I work Monday through Friday. But I hear Fox

913
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: has a studio in Chicago. Maybe you know who can

914
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: get me in? Uh and yeah, the Bulls play on Saturdays.

915
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: Let's pick a let's pick a Saturday Bulls game at

916
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: the United Center, and uh, me and the wife will

917
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: come and you can pick up the dessert card. Tab

918
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 1: sounds excellent.

919
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they it's it's at level.

920
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: It's a listen. I don't own a suite, but I've

921
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: been in a suite at the end.

922
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 3: It sweet.

923
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: Level is strong, it's really good. It's a it's a

924
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: it's a great venue. It's a great ventu. You were

925
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: you were you at Millenie at Wrigley By the way, did.

926
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: You know I was at Mulaney at the United Center,

927
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: Sebastian and a Cowsko at the United Center. Yeah, apparently

928
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: Wrigley Field, which it's weird. I didn't know if you'd

929
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: be able to hear the jokes. Apparently it was great.

930
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: Apparently it was. It was great. It looked great. We've

931
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: talked to comedy before I saw Millennie at the United Center. Also,

932
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 1: I needed to be at that Wrigley event. I wasn't

933
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 1: able to make it work. Buddy Guy came out, Chicago

934
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 1: Blues Legend played song, played Sweet Home Chicago. Richard Kind

935
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: Northwestern Chicago Guy kind of m seated. Fred Armisen opened,

936
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: and then David Letterman introdom and then mulaney did an

937
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:45,959
Speaker 1: hour forty.

938
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 3: Five and now he's ours.

939
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, man, the I I saw when

940
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 2: he got out of rehab. My wife bought tickets and

941
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: she and went way above. It was like row one.

942
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 2: I'm just looking up at him. I was like, wow, yeah,

943
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 2: this is It was probably the best hour fifteen to

944
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: hour thirty. I remember reading the I think it was

945
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 2: Chicago Trip had a like like the comedy reviewer, like

946
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: a movie critic. Yeah, and he was complimentary, but he

947
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: you know, he was a little critical. And I'm thinking

948
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: that may have been the most courageous hour and a

949
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 2: half and the funniest hour and a half of comedy live.

950
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 2: And I've seen everybody.

951
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: I mean, of note Millennie's Mulanie's at the top of

952
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: the mountain right now, Like yeah, I think so, yeah,

953
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: he's a he's at the he's at the top. I

954
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: mean Loui's been at the top, Chappelle's been at the top,

955
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: Rock's been at the top. In terms of like my era,

956
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: obviously Jerry for longevity and success. I don't go back

957
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: to the Carlin, you know, Murphy Ryer, like you know

958
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: what I mean, but like I would, I would say,

959
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: right now, top of the mountain is Mulaney. He's I think, yeah,

960
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: he's the best hour and a half.

961
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 2: I mean he is also, I mean, what's interesting They

962
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 2: used to say this about hip hop stars, like you

963
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: talk about the pain and the struggle. You go platinum

964
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: and then you buy a boat, six cars, a giant house.

965
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: The struggle's gone, and the music's never the same, Like

966
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 2: it's like, oh okay, Now, obviously some people have extended

967
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 2: their careers, but it's the same. In comedy, there usually

968
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 2: is like a boundary, Like it's like you're hysterical, your

969
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 2: funny Jim Carrey three years, and then it's Mike Myers,

970
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 2: and then John Stewart and then it's Jerry Seinfeld. It's

971
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: hard to remain funny for a long time. And part

972
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: of what really makes Mulaney to me his ability to extend.

973
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 2: He's been great for ten years is like his personal issues,

974
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 2: Like it's I guess you know, ironically it's his best material.

975
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: Like he literally did an hour and a half on

976
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: falling Apart as a human being. And it's like he's

977
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 2: obviously a successful guy, but his ability to dissect his

978
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: life is I mean, it's fascinating.

979
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's got he's got a he's got a

980
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 1: special brain. A lot of comics use obviously sadness trauma.

981
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: You know, they bear their souls on stage. They say

982
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: things on stage that they can't say to like their

983
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: wives or their husbands or whatever. Like that's like a

984
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: very common trait of comedians. Mulaye's just a that I listen,

985
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: I agree with you that tour was amazing, but I

986
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: also would argue that like he had the defining joke

987
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: of the Rise of Trump, like his horse in a

988
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: hospital bit is one of the funniest it's one of

989
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: the funniest things of all time. And and it's just

990
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: like so he is just I mean, he was He's

991
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: a legend in the SNL writer's room, Like he's just

992
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: he's a great writer. Like like mulaney is just a

993
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 1: great joke writer. And yeah, he he can break things

994
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: down in a pretty special way.

995
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, he's got it.

996
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: I was very, very very jealous of my friends who

997
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: were at that show.

998
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 2: He's got the timing. Anthony Bourdain, the late Anthony Bourdain

999
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 2: had this. There's a lot of big personalities as chefs,

1000
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: but Bourdain's ability to tell a complicated story of a

1001
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: country simply I always thought was an incredible gift. Like

1002
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: he talks about and like Mulaney, he's like, I was

1003
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: bailing water in my forties.

1004
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 3: I couldn't keep a job.

1005
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: I had burn marks all over my arm. And then

1006
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: I wrote a caustic book in my life changed, and

1007
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 2: I my son went and watched Anthony Bourdaine. I think

1008
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: at like the Hartford Civic Center, you know, do an

1009
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: hour and a half, and he's interested. He was just

1010
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: an incredibly compelling guy and again courageous enough to go

1011
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 2: out and just say, like, here are the mistakes I've made,

1012
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 2: and I've got a lot of insecurities and flaws, and

1013
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: a lot of people won't go there. Yeah, a lot

1014
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: of people. I don't know much about Gordon Ramsey's life.

1015
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: I know a lot about like Anthony Bourdain's life, and

1016
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 2: I think and mulaney similarly, you know a lot of

1017
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: people are hiding that stuff, and and Bordain and Millaney

1018
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: just they bear it all.

1019
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 3: It's it's a very very soul bearing way to do it.

1020
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 3: But I love it.

1021
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and the and the best do that,

1022
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: the best, the best, the best ones do that. So

1023
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: I guess the moral of the story is, when the

1024
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: bull schedule comes out, I'll send you some dates and uh,

1025
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: I'll see you first slice of cheesecake at the United Center.

1026
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: M