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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi everyone walk on The Mother Knows Death. Let's get

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Speaker 2: started with the story of the day. We have an

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Speaker 2: update about Luigi Mangioni, who is the twenty six year

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Speaker 2: old that killed United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. So of

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Speaker 2: course there's been a lot of controversy because people are

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Speaker 2: really in support of him killing this guy. And now

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Speaker 2: there has been this fundraiser online to raise money for

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Speaker 2: his legal defense, and it's over three hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: right now, So I guess that there's a committee that

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Speaker 2: has put forth this GoFundMe type of page to collect

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Speaker 2: this money for him. It's actually weird that's that that's

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Speaker 2: legally a lot. Did they do that for other criminals too,

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Speaker 2: that you could have a fund that people are supporting

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Speaker 2: online while you're in jail.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess it depends on what platform this is,

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Speaker 1: because I personally don't think GoFundMe would allow this. This

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Speaker 1: is on a program, This on a website called give

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Speaker 1: Send Go. It's the same theory, it's the same thing,

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Speaker 1: but I guess it just depends on whatever company wants

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Speaker 1: to allow what they're gonna do. I also would think

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Speaker 1: this isn't allowed. I also think it wouldn't be legal

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Speaker 1: for the lawyer to accept this money, but apparently that's

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Speaker 1: what's happening. So I'm curious how this is gonna go down.

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Speaker 2: I think it's weird that people are so willing to

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Speaker 2: fight for this cause and give money for it because

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Speaker 2: this guy actually has his own money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a good point you bring up. I

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Speaker 1: didn't really think about that before that. He came from

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Speaker 1: this really wealthy family, but.

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Speaker 2: Like multi millionaires, So that's you know, if you're a

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Speaker 2: person that is against the system and you believe in

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Speaker 2: this healthcare is totally taking advantage of people and responsible

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Speaker 2: for people's death and everything, then you should you would

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Speaker 2: think that you would also you know, oh, they're all

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Speaker 2: for profit this and that. Well, this guy is from

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Speaker 2: a lot of money too. He doesn't seem at this

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Speaker 2: point that he was even directly affected by any of this,

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Speaker 2: so it's not like, I don't know, do you think

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Speaker 2: do you think that you'd have a little bit more

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Speaker 2: sympathy if it was like a forty five year old

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Speaker 2: dad who lost his kid to cancer because the kid

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Speaker 2: couldn't get cancer, and he was like a mechanic or

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Speaker 2: something you have, you'd have almost a little bit more

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Speaker 2: passion to be like, I understand why this guy did this,

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Speaker 2: but in this case, he just was doing it as

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Speaker 2: as a statement rather than because it was directly affecting him.

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Speaker 2: And in my personal opinion, you could justify ninety five

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Speaker 2: percents of the murders that happen in this country if

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Speaker 2: you really wanted to say, oh, that person did something

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Speaker 2: shitty and deserve to die, and we can't live in

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Speaker 2: a society like that or else it's going to be

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Speaker 2: okay to kill whoever we want that we don't think

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Speaker 2: is doing the right thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. I I am curious how

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Speaker 1: they are going to find a jury that's one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent non biased towards the healthcare system because it is

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Speaker 1: obviously very flawed.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't make it justified why he killed this guy.

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Speaker 2: And of course the main argument is like, well, this

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Speaker 2: CEO killed way more people by his fucked up policies

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Speaker 2: than Luigi did by killing him. And I understand all

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Speaker 2: of that, but we can't be taking the law. You

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Speaker 2: could literally say that about every single politician that's ever existed,

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Speaker 2: and the people involved with COVID for example, and.

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Speaker 1: All of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, all of these people totally suck.

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Speaker 2: But we can't have citizens going out and handling it

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Speaker 2: then there's going to be someone next. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I think that it's definitely worth having a conversation that

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Speaker 2: this affects people. Literally this morning, Maria is having problems

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Speaker 2: having coverage with healthcare and having to pay nine hundred

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Speaker 2: and shit like it affects everyone.

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Speaker 1: I believe that's what I'm that says the thing about it.

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Speaker 1: This case is going to be problematic when it goes

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Speaker 2: I would just go as far as to say, though,

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Speaker 2: if you're going to blame the healthcare insurance companies, they're

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Speaker 1: Don't you feel like it would be a step above that.

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Speaker 2: The government is really the one that's in charge of

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Speaker 2: like you got rid of the bad guy and now

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Speaker 2: it's the end of the story. These like, literally, this

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Speaker 2: It didn't make anything go away, it didn't change anything,

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Speaker 2: so whatever. I think the most impressive part of this story,

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Speaker 2: a couple donors had, you know, with a lot of money,

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Speaker 2: gave him money. There was ten thousand individual donors and

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Speaker 2: their average donation was only thirty dollars. And ten thousand

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course it is. And when you go through

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you went on the actual website,

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Speaker 1: but I was looking through it, and everybody has a

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Speaker 1: message of support for him that's donated obviously, and people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's just a it's a very interesting it's

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Speaker 2: a very interesting case, and I am very excited to

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Speaker 2: thinks about it, because I certainly I don't agree with

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Speaker 2: with just murdering people that you think are doing the

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Speaker 2: wrong thing, because that's why we have the justice system.

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Speaker 2: And listen, like, I know the justice system totally sucks

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Speaker 2: to but there has to be some kind of laws

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Speaker 2: and be terrible. So that's why I'm in general just

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Speaker 2: not for this, although I completely agree that it's it's

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Speaker 2: a terrible situation we're in here anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think a couple other interesting points about

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Speaker 1: now as Ditty, and his defense attorney is married to

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Speaker 1: He's also in jail with Sam Bankman Freed, who was

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Speaker 1: it's interesting thinking of all these different people in prison,

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Speaker 2: Just, oh, we're gonna talk about you saying that the

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Speaker 2: Menanda's brothers a little bit later in this episode. But

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Speaker 2: let's get into celebrity news and start with the big

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Speaker 2: story of the week, which was the super Bowl, which

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Speaker 2: you at a party we went over.

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Speaker 1: It was nice. I mean, I don't like football, but

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Speaker 1: it was a nice evening. Well, well, let me just

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Speaker 1: say we were only like, okay, we're gonna have two friends,

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Speaker 1: I obviously want you guys here, but you know, my

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Speaker 1: I guess the last super Bowl you left after the

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Speaker 2: Which she was like, well, listen, now, two years ago,

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Speaker 2: So at nine o'clock at night on a Sunday night,

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Speaker 1: my one friend Sam made it right at the last

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Speaker 1: the Eagles won the Super Bowl. Anyway, leading up to it,

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Speaker 1: It wasn't really obvious what happened to him at first,

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Speaker 2: So it seems like this guy, this guy already has

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Speaker 2: this terrible tragedy that happened to him. Was that less

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Speaker 2: Is she was she his girlfriend? Don't really say what

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Speaker 2: So it's like they're obviously, you know, still doing an

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Speaker 2: check for the major drugs like opioids and cocaine, and

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Speaker 2: there's a couple they could do, so they might already

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Speaker 2: know that it was positive. But I don't believe some

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Speaker 2: slipping something in someone's drink. I would say that it's

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Speaker 2: probably a drug like Rufie's or rhypnol. That is, it's

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Speaker 2: a benzo diazepine similar to xanax. It's in that group

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Speaker 2: of drugs, but when you give it to someone it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is weird that, you know, all these stories

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Speaker 2: Crue was not on the plane, but his girlfriend was

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00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 2: but she survived. Dogs on the plane survived. Everybody always

437
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 2: wants to know that, So it's all good there, all right.

438
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: In Tampa, this little girl who just turned seven was

439
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: drag racing, which apparently is allowed for children and is

440
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 2: a pretty big thing in this country. I didn't really

441
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: know that, but she had a horrible accident on the

442
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 2: raceway and she died. I never heard of this, and

443
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 2: I can't even believe this article is real. Here's something

444
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 2: children driving vehicles, junior drag racing with children five to

445
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,239
Speaker 2: seventeen years old. Like you're literally letting a five year

446
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 2: old drive a fucking car and you're wondering how they

447
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 2: died in an accident. They justified that they only go

448
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: forty miles an hour. Forty miles an hour is fast

449
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 2: for a little body. Yes, they shouldn't even be in

450
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: the front seat at that age. This kid was in

451
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 2: first grade. Not the kid's not even really seven. She

452
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 2: just turned seven three days ago, so she's like a

453
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: like an old six year old first grader, And you're

454
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 2: telling me that this is okay to just put this

455
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 2: kid in the front of a car to drive.

456
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: It's just so weird. It should be child abuse. Honestly,

457
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: I think it's weird because there, you know, people interviewed

458
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: for this article were just like, oh, it's just entry

459
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,239
Speaker 1: level racing, and they have all the same equipment as

460
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: the big boys, including a helmet, glove, seatbelt. Yeah, it

461
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: worked really well, but good damn children. They're not adults.

462
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: So if they do get in a crash or something,

463
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Speaker 1: do you think they have the mindset yet to be like, oh,

464
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Speaker 1: I know what to do to get out of this.

465
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: No, it's it's not even that they just their bones

466
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 2: aren't even hard in all the way yet, Like, it's

467
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,719
Speaker 2: just it's just a ridiculous thing to even think of.

468
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 2: And their weight is that that's why they're not supposed

469
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: to be in the front seat of the car. They's

470
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Speaker 2: it's not because of just their ages, because of their weight.

471
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: It's it's so and she hit an adult too.

472
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: Luckily that guy survived, But like, I just I really

473
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: can't wrap my brain around this. It's just it's it

474
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 2: has to be this exclusive American dumb bullshit that people

475
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,959
Speaker 2: do as a tradition. It's just it's it's so outrageous.

476
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 2: I think they should be in trouble for child abuse

477
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: for a lot of kid do this honestly.

478
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, I think they're trying to argue

479
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: that it's like relatively safe in a controlled environment, but like,

480
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: I don't really see a kid driving. It's not like

481
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: they're driving a full sized car, but they're driving a

482
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Speaker 1: vehicle that goes forty miles an hour, and that's fast

483
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: for not necessarily us driving on a regulated roadway, but

484
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Speaker 1: for a little kid on a racetrack that's really fast,

485
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: and clearly an accident has happened, so they need to

486
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: look into that and prevent it. Or just like I

487
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: agree with you, I don't think this should even exist

488
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: for kids that if you're a parent.

489
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 2: Of this child, you don't feel a little responsible for

490
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: allowing this to happen. It's just it's I feel like

491
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: this is a fake article.

492
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: Well it's not a fake. It's very real organization. So

493
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: people are clearly I mean, it makes sense that this

494
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: is happening in Florida, but it really also seems like

495
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: it's happening all over the country. So I'm curious if

496
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Speaker 1: anybody has experienced with this, because it seems like there's

497
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: been multiple lawsuits at this venue for spectators getting hit

498
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: with flying parts from the races, but I don't know

499
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: if they've per se had a death of somebody so

500
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: young there before.

501
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Speaker 2: I just think, like, if you your kids want to

502
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 2: do outrageous shit like I understand in the article, or

503
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 2: like she loved, she died doing what she loved, and

504
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, my kid wants to go to the

505
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 2: mall by yourself. I'm not letting my little kid go

506
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 2: to the mall. Buyers, Like, if something happens, that's directly

507
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 2: my fault for letting her do something it's not age appropriate,

508
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, or in the whatever. I just I'm

509
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: not going to ever agree.

510
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: With it, all right. In Australia, a woman was in

511
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: her backyard when suddenly lightning struck her tree, causing the

512
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: tree to explode and then she got hit with wood

513
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: shrapnel and died. Yeah, So she was sitting back there

514
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: apparently with her friend. They were about nineteen feet away

515
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 1: from this large tree and it impaled her somewhere and

516
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: killed her on the spot. Her friend had one of

517
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: her fingers partially amputated and also fractured her jaw, but

518
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: the friend is still alive, although she's still in the

519
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: hospital in serious condition. It is kind of crazy because

520
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: usually when you think about lightning strikes, you think about

521
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: people getting electrocuted, and in this case it was from

522
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: blunt trauma due to shrapnel basically flying through the air well.

523
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: Another thing is they could like lightning strikes had also

524
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: caused fires too, Like they could sit. Is that good?

525
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: Like they could set a house a little fire and stuff. Yeah,

526
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: it just sucks because it's like, you know, a severe thunderstorm.

527
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: Those happen all the time. People get warnings for them

528
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: all the time. I don't think you think you're just

529
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: gonna be in your backyard hanging out and then this

530
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: crazy thing is going to happen to you.

531
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Speaker 2: Well, the kids always call me a Karen all the

532
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 2: time because as soon as I it starts looking angry outside,

533
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 2: I'm like, get out of the pool, and they're like,

534
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: it's been raining at it's not even lightning. I didn't

535
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: even hear thunder And I'm like, I don't care, We're

536
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 2: not risking it. Just it's it's just like why, I, okay,

537
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: I might be a Karen. I don't let my kids

538
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: drive a car going forty miles an hour, and I

539
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 2: don't let them in the pool during a thunderstorm.

540
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: But well, I was thinking of when Nicole and Bill

541
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: were over your house last summer and we were all

542
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: hanging out my backyard and it started. It started like,

543
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: you know, you could see lightning in the distance and

544
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: it was thundering a little bit. It didn't seem that bad.

545
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: What was that the night of the All Star Game

546
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: for MLB?

547
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: I think it was, remember, but that was the night

548
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: that the next our neighbor's tree fell and like totally

549
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 2: crushed her shed right near where we were sitting.

550
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: Yes, so it starts picking up and we're like, all right,

551
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: we should probably go home now because it seemed like

552
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: it was going to be raining like that all night.

553
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: Ricky, you live ten minutes away. Nicole and Bill live

554
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: live in in New York.

555
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: When we didn't they go back to their hotel in Philly, No,

556
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: I thought, Oh, I thought they went back to Oh

557
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 1: they were going back home because she had work the

558
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: next day. Yeah. Well, the ten minute drive from my

559
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: house was like post apocalyptic lightning and thunder and then

560
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: thank God, like right when I turned into my neighborhood,

561
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: the rain started, but it was totally blinding the rain,

562
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: So I, you know, we all know I have extreme

563
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: weather anxiety. Oh my god.

564
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: We make fun of Maria so bad. There's like this

565
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: little storage closet thing in her basement and we're always like.

566
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: Are you hiding in that?

567
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: Cause it'll you'll get an alert that says, okay, there's

568
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: a tornado watch or a tornado warning. And because tornadoes

569
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: do touch down near my house, they don't touch near

570
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: your house. There's a lot of your house, it's been

571
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: there since nineteen fifty. At least you'll be fine.

572
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but my neighbor down the street told me one

573
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: went down the other street only like ten years ago.

574
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: So I don't really like that. This episode is brought

575
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 1: to you by the Gross Room guys.

576
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: This week we finished up our high profile death dissection

577
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: on the Karen Reid trial, and it is it's really good.

578
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: Actually, I honestly, I'm gonna be honest with you.

579
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: Maria will say the same thing that we really didn't

580
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: pick up too much attention about it. I know, we

581
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: talked about it once on this show when she had

582
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: the hung jewelry and was going to get a retrial,

583
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: but we weren't really into it. And once we really

584
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: dug deep into it, it was really really good and

585
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: there's something shape going on there, so I think that

586
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: you should read our post. I go through the whole

587
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: autopsy and talk about why, what the prosecution said, what

588
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: the defense said, and even the comments as of this

589
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: morning are just great as far as you could really

590
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: see the split, like are you team prosecution or your

591
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: team defense? And it's just it's a really good environment

592
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: for us to talk about things. So it's for like

593
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: minded people that are into all of this morbid kind

594
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: of stuff but also want to learn about it. So

595
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: it's just a really cool place to be. Yeah, and

596
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: I think you brought up some really really interesting points

597
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: from looking at the autopsy that we haven't heard elsewhere,

598
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: So you guys are definitely going to head over to

599
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: the gross Room and check that out, because we're not

600
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: going to just spill all the tea on here. But yeah,

601
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: we got into some really good points and that was

602
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: definitely a difficult one to write up because there's just

603
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: so much going on, but we have it all broken

604
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: down for you, so you could head over to the

605
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Speaker 2: grossroom dot com for more info and to sign up

606
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Speaker 2: for only five ninety nine for the month. Okay, true crime,

607
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: all right, So The newest season of The Kardashians premiered

608
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: last week, which nobody's really watching, but I guess they're

609
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: putting this article out to get some people interested in.

610
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: But Kim was talking to Chris about how the Ryan

611
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: Murphy series Monsters was going to be covering the Menendas

612
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: brother's case, and she went on to tell the kids

613
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: that Eric Menendez used to come over the house sometimes

614
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: and play tennis with Robert Kardashian in the eighties.

615
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: Do you think that that is fucking bizarre? Yeah, because

616
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: he was a teenager.

617
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I looked this up to see exactly how old

618
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: these people were. So Rob Kardashian he's the for those

619
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: of you who don't know, he's the dad of all

620
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: of these Kardashians. But also he was the defense attorney

621
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: for OJ Simpson, which is how he got in pop culture.

622
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: His name got in there. And he's been dead for

623
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: a while, but in the nineteen so he's he was

624
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: literally born almost around the same exac time pop up was,

625
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: So think about that. Yeah, in the nineteen eighties, he

626
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: was around forty years old and his oldest child at

627
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: the time, Courtney, was born the same year as me.

628
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy nine, so she would have been in between

629
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: zero and ten years.

630
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Speaker 1: Old, right.

631
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: So Eric Menendez, however, was between ten and nineteen years old,

632
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: So it's not like he was going over there because

633
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: he was friends with one of his kids, because Courtney

634
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: was too young. And the weirdest part is that Chris

635
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 2: the mom said that they didn't know the parents. So

636
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, so you were playing tennis at forty some

637
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: years old with a kid that was under eighteen years old.

638
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: It's kind of weird, yeah, because even if they had

639
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: the same tennis instructor and he was bringing him up

640
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: over there, it's just kind of bizarre.

641
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: But I'm also like, is this just what rich people

642
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: fucking do? Like they just are like, oh, my tennis

643
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: instructor's gonna just bring this child over because because we

644
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: if you're familiar with the case and nothing about an instructor.

645
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: Though she said he used to come over and play tennis,

646
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: maybe there was or whatever. But the whole thing to

647
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: me is just like I think about this and I'm like, Okay,

648
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: Gabes in his forties, Like if there was some teenage

649
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: boy coming over here to like play sports with him,

650
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: I would just think it was very unusual, especially because

651
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Speaker 2: we weren't friends with the family.

652
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Speaker 1: Just is fucking weird it is. It's like, I that

653
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: was definitely the first thing that crossed my mind because

654
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: we have you know, this case has been huge in

655
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: the news because of this show that came out and

656
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: I can't say it before.

657
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: That kid supposes the had a history of sexual assault

658
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: from the father and shit.

659
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, from his day set in court. Yeah.

660
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: So just I don't know the whole thing of it.

661
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: I mean, like, listen, you're exactly right. Nobody's really watching

662
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: the show as much anymore, and they do this, oh like,

663
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: let me play dumb. Did you know that he used

664
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: to come over here and play tennis with your dad?

665
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: Like like they didn't prior discuss that or whatever.

666
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: But whatever.

667
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: I just think it's I just think it's weird. I

668
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: maybe that is what rich people do. I don't know,

669
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: it's just it's it's unusual.

670
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: I do think it's weird because you hear these stories

671
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: and like, these people, especially in Beverly Hills in la

672
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: are just so interlocked with each other and it's so bizarre,

673
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 1: and you're just like, is that just a normal thing

674
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: that happens that even like, let's say they met at

675
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: the club playing tennis, like, oh, just come over my

676
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: house and play.

677
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: Well, it's inappropriate because I I don't remember exactly how

678
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: old he was when the parents died, but it was

679
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine, that's what I was gonna say, Like

680
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: he was a teenager. This is the craziest shit too.

681
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: Then you're thinking about, yeah, he was nineteen. When you

682
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: think about it is really nuts to think about the

683
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: most profile cases in the country. You think about the

684
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: oj Simpson trial, and then you think about the Menendez brothers. Right,

685
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: how that that Rob Kardashian was friend, was friends? Whatever

686
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: the hell was happening there with a kid that later

687
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: got convicted of a huge crime before or or no

688
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: that was yeah, that was before the Menandez was before, right,

689
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: So wasn't there something though that these two cases kind

690
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: of interlocked that that they decided to do nothing with

691
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 2: or they were showing example with one of them because

692
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,479
Speaker 2: of the other one.

693
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: Yes, So the Menendaz brothers, they the parents were killed.

694
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: I believe in eighty nine they had their first trial, which,

695
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: like Karen Reid, ended up being a mistrial, and then

696
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: in between the second trial that's when the OJ one happened. Yeah,

697
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: OJ happened and got acquitted. So their theory is that

698
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: the prosecution doubled down on the boys because they needed

699
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: a win, because losing the OJ case was such a

700
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: big deal, So that's why they went after them so hard.

701
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: And then they weren't allowing the sexual abuse evidence in

702
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: the second trial, and it was just this major problem,

703
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 1: and they made an example of them because in between

704
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: their first and second trial, OJ had been acquitted.

705
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: But that is interesting, So this all happened in this

706
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: same circle of friends, Like these are terrible fucking people,

707
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: all of them. Could you imagine knowing if if you

708
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: could count on one hand, like all of the major ones.

709
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: It's just like you so happened to have these people

710
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: in your circle of friends, all of them.

711
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: It's just weird. Well, it is weird, And that's what

712
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 1: I was kind of saying earlier. Is weird with Luigi

713
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: and Diddy being in the same jail and then their

714
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: defense attorneys being married to each other. It's just kind

715
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: of unusual. Though you think, yeah, that it just so happens.

716
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: This attorney power couple got the two biggest cases of

717
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. I don't know. I just think it's weird.

718
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: But I don't know if this is just how rich

719
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: people act, because this particular like Menendez Brothers OJ crossover,

720
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: it's so ingrained in pop culture, even just down to

721
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: like Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. I mean, Kyle Richards

722
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: has talked about like hanging out with Chris and Nicole

723
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: back in the nineties, And I was just reading Paris

724
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: Hilton's memoir and she brings stuff up like this, and

725
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: You're just like, it's unbelievable how all these people know

726
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: each other and are intertwined in each other's lives.

727
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: It is I mean, I guess it's in theory, it's

728
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: a small it's a smaller community of people. But just

729
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: think about knowing multiple people firsthand that we're on your

730
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: inner circle that are accused of this horrible stuff of

731
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: like raping children and killing people, murdering people, murdering their wip,

732
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 2: slicing her throat, like it's just killing parents while they're

733
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: eating ice cream, just like well, wasn't there, which I

734
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: doled I listen, I'm pro Menandez brothers. I think I'm saying,

735
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 2: like their parents are terrible people. But wasn't there something

736
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: though that Robert Kardashian wasn't typically like a criminal defense attorney,

737
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: but he hopped on the OJ trial because they were friends,

738
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: because that would make sense why he wouldn't help Eric

739
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: Menendez out if he wasn't traditionally a defense attorney.

740
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I don't really remember. I don't know. I'll

741
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: have to look into that, but I just do think

742
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: it's great or like.

743
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: He felt terribly guilty because he got a guilty person

744
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: off free and didn't want to get involved with another case.

745
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it, I can't imagine. I mean, these

746
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: trials were going on the year I was born, right,

747
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: so like it's kind of crazy that pop culturally this

748
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: was happening, and this is kind of I feel like,

749
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: what really birthed the true crime movement that we deal

750
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: with today because they were so sensationalized and they allowed

751
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: the cameras in the courtroom.

752
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, OJ definitely was I I specifically remember

753
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: I was probably it was right when you were born,

754
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: So I was I was like sixteen, probably i'd say fifteen,

755
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: sixteen years old when that started happening, and that was

756
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 2: when my obsession was true crime.

757
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: Began, Yeah, all right, this one is insane. So in Boston,

758
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: this lawyer who was sixty five years old, he hadn't

759
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: been heard from for a few days, so his friends

760
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: and families as a police to do a welfare check

761
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: on him. So it seems like he had a house

762
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: boat in the Boston Marina. Police get there and they

763
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: come across this twenty four year old woman on the boat.

764
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: So at first she gave them a fake name. She

765
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: said she hadn't seen the lawyer in a couple of days.

766
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: She was trying to stop them from coming inside. But

767
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: obviously that's suspicious behavior. So they're like, no, we're still

768
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: going to go in and check. So they go in.

769
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: They find this guy's body wrapped in a tarp and

770
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: duct tape. There's blood everywhere, which she seriously said was

771
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: from her period. And then there's you know, they're on

772
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: this boat, so there's weights attached to him. She was

773
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: clearly planning on dumping him over the side of the boat,

774
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: Like they came like five minutes before. She was ready

775
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: to like ditch him over the side of the boat. Yeah,

776
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: and the weirdest part of this was her pink acrylic

777
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: fingernails were stuck in the dead guy's chest.

778
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: I'm kind of wondering, like, like what went down there,

779
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: because that's that's very interesting as far as like a

780
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: wound pattern goes. Was he trying to hurt her and

781
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: she was trying to protect herself or I don't understand

782
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: why she would dig her fingernails into his body so

783
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: deep until they broke, because think about, like as a

784
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: person that has fake nails, if I did that to somebody,

785
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: it would really really hurt, right, Well, do you I'm

786
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: not going to do it unless I'm like trying to

787
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: protect my life or something I would feel.

788
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: Do you think it could be those ones you put

789
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: on the girls though, that you just put on in

790
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: your house with glue, not the ones that you have

791
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: to like sit at the nails and get.

792
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's totally possible, but even ones that

793
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: are glued would still hurt.

794
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: Like why you would?

795
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: I just don't know why you would. Why a person

796
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: would dig their hands into someone so hard? If I'm

797
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: not sure. They don't even say how how the guy died,

798
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: so I don't know. I don't know anything about it.

799
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: So I am curious to know more about that though,

800
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: because it is interesting, and it's not something that you

801
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: see very commonly for for an assailant to do to somebody,

802
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: So I'm interested on what the take of that is.

803
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 2: But the blood from the period, it's just like, girl,

804
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: it's twenty twenty five. You don't watch true crime shows

805
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: like they're going to be able to tell real quick

806
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: that not only is it period blood, but it's also

807
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: your blood.

808
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: But like a period, like your period cannot produce as

809
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: much blood as there explained. I don't know.

810
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: Back in my day I used to be able to

811
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: have I had quite the heavy flow.

812
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: Well that's you. So they also found a dead dog

813
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: floating in the water nearby, which is really suspicious.

814
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: She had a dog with her that was live, and

815
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 2: then there was a dead dog too, which is weird

816
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: and also fucked up. I bet you whatever happened, she

817
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 2: probably especially because she had tied weights to his body,

818
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: like you can't just easily move a man like that,

819
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 2: especially when they're dead. It's very hard to move dead weight.

820
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: And oh so she probably couldn't move it herself or something.

821
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. The whole scene is just weird. The fingernails,

822
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: obviously are the weirdest part.

823
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 2: Was she She was twenty four and he was sixty five.

824
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it was weird because it seemed like she

825
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: had her shit together. They said she was a graduate

826
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: of University of Maryland, she was a former ballerina. She

827
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: claimed to be an entrepreneur and a farmer. So it

828
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: seemed like she had her shit together. So what exactly

829
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: went down? I think the whole scene's weird. She's been

830
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: charged with murder, she pleaded not guilty. I don't think

831
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: her lying and then saying the blood was her period

832
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: is going to help her case, but definitely one of

833
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: the more unusual ones.

834
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: I wish they would update us, Like remember that story

835
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 2: we had last week about the torso that was found

836
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 2: in the suitcase. It's like just nothing else about that,

837
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 2: you know, Like, don't tell us this news without giving

838
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: us the final story because we.

839
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: Want to know more about it exactly. Okay, medical news,

840
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: All right, So a renowned anal surgeon has recently got

841
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: on a podcast to discuss how we wipe ourselves and

842
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: his thoughts. So do you want to explain his theories?

843
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: So he's saying that the anus, if you look at it,

844
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: it looks like a folded up accordion, and that's why

845
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 2: it's supposed to it's supposed to open up really wide

846
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 2: and it's supposed to close. So that's why there's all

847
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: of these skin folds there. And he's saying that wiping

848
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: it and everybody could agree with this, that wiping it

849
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: could you could be a little bit too hard and

850
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: you could get sore, and then you could get infections

851
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: and all of that kind of stuff. But his solution

852
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: is saying, I'm a huge bidet fan. Okay, people would

853
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: probably be okay with that. I know they sell toilet

854
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: seats now that do it, but nobody has them anywhere

855
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: you go to the bathroom, especially if you're out in public.

856
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, it's like, oh, well,

857
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: he's he said, use the bidet. But if you can't

858
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: do that, just hop in the shower real quick, like okay,

859
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: I really want to hop in the shower after I

860
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: take a shit, Like come on, who wants to do that?

861
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: It's just not practical. It's to hop in the shower

862
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: every time you poop.

863
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: So then he's saying, okay, so I'm a big fan

864
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: of the wipes. Apparently they're terrible for your whole too,

865
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: he's saying that it could it could ruin the microbiome

866
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: of your anus, so you have good bacteria and bad bacteria,

867
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: and it could ruin that bounce, which does make sense,

868
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: but you could get He says that he sees a

869
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: lot of patients that are having issues from using the

870
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: wet wipes, so he's like, so another impractical solution is

871
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: he's like, if you do have to wipe with toilet paper,

872
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: then he prefers that you do it's standing and squatting

873
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: because it has less blood flow to the area if

874
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 2: you're standing versus being bent in half right, and which

875
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 2: less pressure, less chance of a blood flow going and

876
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: a wound.

877
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: Et cetera. But like, could you just imagine like squatting

878
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: over the toilet and standing up and wipe it like

879
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: it's just and he says not to wipe either. You

880
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: shouldn't wipe, you should just blot. It's just not practical.

881
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it really isn't.

882
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 2: Like I understand there's all these things that you're supposed

883
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 2: to be doing and stuff, but you're just like, Okay,

884
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: come on, that's outrageous to me. I guess the days

885
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: are more accessible now because they have those newer ones

886
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: that you could just like hook on your toilet's seat.

887
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: But I never even saw one until I was ten

888
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: years old. And it's because when my aunt and uncle

889
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: were getting married, we stayed at my aunt's parents' house

890
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: and they're like hardcore from Italy Italians, and in their

891
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: bathroom they had one, and I was like, what is

892
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: this weird contra? I never even heard of it before

893
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: I used one for the first time. I think I

894
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: told you this already. When we just went to some

895
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: Airbnb on our last trip over New Year's time, there

896
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: was one and I was like, oh, let me try this,

897
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 2: and it was it was kind of like a weird feeling,

898
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: but it was cool. I was I still think you

899
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: need to use toilet paper there though, to like dry

900
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 2: it up right.

901
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: Well, he's saying you if you do use a bidet,

902
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: you have to make sure the area is dry afterwards, so.

903
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that, yeah, because then you're gonna have

904
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: like drippy shit water in your underwear.

905
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: Like okay, so you still either need toilet paper or

906
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: you need a t and you're lot wiping.

907
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: Sorry, what are you going to use like somebody's handtail

908
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: in their hanging in their bathroom. The thing is, I

909
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: do think I might get one. I might get one

910
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: of those things for my toilet.

911
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: Actually, what the bidet? Yeah, we'll get one and report

912
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: back and tell us how your butt whole accordion's changing.

913
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 2: If there's any Biday companies that would like to sponsor

914
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: this program because of the research that I'm going to

915
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 2: be doing on this subject, feel free to contact.

916
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: Us, okay. In Thailand, paramedics rust to the home of

917
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: this thirty six year old woman who said she was

918
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: having difficulty breathing. Despite the difficulty breathing, though when they

919
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: found her, she was face down on her bed drinking.

920
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, is like a bubble tea.

921
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: Out of the bull, slurping a bowl of sugary milk.

922
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: So they determined that she needs to know the hospital.

923
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: But the problem here is that she weighed over six

924
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: hundred pounds, so they had to cut down her bedroom wall,

925
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: remove a door from the home, and then take her

926
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: inside of her bed on a tow truck to the

927
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: hospital because they could not get her there otherwise.

928
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: You're not going to believe this, but this a similar

929
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: situation happened to one of Gabe's coworkers. No way, No,

930
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: I'm serious, because as soon as I read this story,

931
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 2: I was like, didn't I thought it was with Gabe.

932
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, I've heard this story before. So then he

933
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: texted the fireman, who's no longer working there anymore, to

934
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: get this story. But a similar thing happened that they

935
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: showed up and a person was seven hundred pounds seven hundred.

936
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: They had to take the person out of some second

937
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: story window and put them in a front end loader,

938
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: which I was like, what the hell's a front loader?

939
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: And he said, it's basically the same as a bulldozer.

940
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know.

941
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, I've heard this before. It's like, listen, to

942
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: see a human being being put on a tow truck

943
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: or a frickin bulldozer and brought to the hospital is

944
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: so dehumanizing, right, But like, what else can you do?

945
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: Did you also notice in the photo that her foot

946
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: was like purple?

947
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think she's having a little bit of a

948
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: circulatory problem, Like that's she all of that weight compressing

949
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: on your vascular system. It's terrible for you. I mean,

950
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 2: that's what's happening. It's the same thing that happens if

951
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: you of a giant tumor up in your groin area

952
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: that's compressing your blood vessels there. It's that your your

953
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: foot is not going to get the same blood flow

954
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: as it normally does because it's blocking it off because

955
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: of all that heavy weight.

956
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they brought her to the hospital in the

957
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: tow truck. But of course, you know, there was obstacles

958
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: getting her in there too, because when at the house,

959
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: twenty people had to lift her into the tow truck

960
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: because it's not like a car where you can just

961
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: strap a chain on it, you know what I mean,

962
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: this human So when they get to the hospital, they

963
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: had a whole other set of obstacles getting her inside

964
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: of it. And then the doctor had ordered her to

965
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: stop eating immediately because I guess even though she was

966
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: having these issues, she just didn't stop. Well.

967
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: I mean, clearly she has some kind of a medical issue,

968
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: because this just isn't normal by any stretch of the imagination,

969
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 2: and no person would ever choose to.

970
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: Actually live like this.

971
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: It's not as simple as just being like, oh, stop eating,

972
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: like duh. I think that she already knows that. So

973
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 2: she needs some intensive therapy and try to figure out surgery, medications, whatever.

974
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: It's so sad because she's only thirty six years old.

975
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: And you know, I've had situations like this working in

976
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: the hospital too, because the hospital's only and it's the

977
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: same with the ambulance and everything. The whole world is

978
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: set up for average sized people. And now in hospitals

979
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: this is something that you might not notice, but just

980
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: look around next time you go to a doctor's office

981
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: or something. They have these extra wide waiting room chairs.

982
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: Now the hospital beds come wider now, like they're definitely

983
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: improving for what they would call bariatric patients. But for example,

984
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: the morgue that I used to work in was very,

985
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: very old, and it was before obesity was really a

986
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: thing when it was built, and it was made for

987
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: a standard size gurney to fit through the openings to

988
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: get back to the autopsy table. And I had a

989
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: situation once that I had to actually cut a person

990
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 2: that was super morbidly oby so over five hundred pounds

991
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 2: in the refrigerator on the specialized gurney that they had,

992
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 2: because I couldn't fit him through the doorway to bring

993
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: him on the autopsy table. And even if I could,

994
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: he wouldn't fit on our autopsy table. I mean, it's

995
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: so incredibly sad in that situation that a person has

996
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 2: to live like this, because clearly they feel like shit

997
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 2: about that.

998
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Do you think at the

999
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: hospital you worked at, that they at some point will

1000
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: have to move, like build a new facility or renovate

1001
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: that space to make it way.

1002
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess when they update it. I don't

1003
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: see that them doing it. We had it happened a

1004
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 2: couple times, but sometimes we couldn't fit them in the

1005
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: autopsy room, but we were able to fit them in

1006
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 2: the cutting room and just do it in there. I mean,

1007
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 2: to do an autopsy in the refrigerator is not ideal,

1008
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: especially for a person like me because I have reynads,

1009
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 2: so I'm very sensitive to the cold and my hands

1010
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: like stop working when they're too cold. So it was

1011
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: difficult for me to do the autopsy like that, especially

1012
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: because it was a very strenuous one because of the

1013
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 2: guy's weight. But it's not typical most people, I mean,

1014
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: for some of the weigh five six hundred pounds is

1015
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: just not typical like this situation. But when I started

1016
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: working at the next hospital I went to, which was

1017
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: a newer build of a hospital. They had definitely taken

1018
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: all these things into consideration that you would be able

1019
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 2: to The doorways were way wider. There was just a

1020
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: lot easier to get in and out of because of

1021
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 2: the challenges that we're facing as more and more people

1022
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: become obese.

1023
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, Okay. Back in twenty seventeen, this woman

1024
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: driving along Route seventy eight in New Jersey pulled over

1025
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: when she started feeling a medical emergency. So this state

1026
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: trooper found her about thirty minutes later, and he thought

1027
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: she was driving under the influence because when he approached

1028
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: her in the car, she was covered in vomit and

1029
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: couldn't answer basic answer no questions. So because he thought

1030
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: she was under the influence, he took her back to

1031
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: the station where she sat for about two hours until

1032
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: they realized she was really having a stroke, and then

1033
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: finally got her the medical attention she needed.

1034
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: So she's sued the police department now her mother actually

1035
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: has and they've been awarded what twelve point nine million dollars.

1036
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: Well, so originally they were awarded way more than that,

1037
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: like into twenty million dollars, but they said due to

1038
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: a pre existing medical sorry due to a pre existing

1039
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: medical condition. It was reduced by forty percent, bringing the

1040
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: total to twelve point nine million dollars.

1041
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 2: I So when I read this, I felt really terrible

1042
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: for the whole situation, because I personally, I could go

1043
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 2: back and forth with this with the police officer. For example,

1044
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: if you're a cop and you pull people over for

1045
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 2: a living, and I mean assuming there could be medical

1046
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: situations for sure, but you pull up and see a

1047
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 2: woman who's vomited all over herself and is disoriented and

1048
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: could definitely seem like she was high on some kind

1049
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 2: of drugs. I cause, because like they can't do a

1050
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 2: breathalyzer test. It would be negative if she wasn't drinking alcohol,

1051
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 2: but she could definitely be high on drugs. I just think, Okay,

1052
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 2: how is this guy he's not a doctor, Like, how's

1053
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 2: this guy supposed to know that she's having a stroke.

1054
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 2: The family argues that she was wearing business attire, she

1055
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,760
Speaker 2: was in a clean car, she had no history of anything.

1056
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 2: They didn't find anything that was unusual in the car.

1057
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 2: Like all of those things together sort of maybe, And

1058
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: the only thing I could think is that maybe in

1059
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 2: those situations when anyone is super inebriated or something. Maybe

1060
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: they're supposed to call for medical assistance, and maybe he

1061
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 2: didn't do that when he was supposed to.

1062
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,720
Speaker 1: Because let's say, let's say she was intoxicated and didn't

1063
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: have the medical episode, what if she was in danger

1064
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: of having like alcohol poisoning or something worse, or an overdose,

1065
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: because I don't know, Like, that's what I'm saying, is

1066
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: that is it protocol? I mean, this is cops could

1067
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 1: answer that. Who are listening if if someone gets pulled

1068
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: over and they because there's people that are drunk all

1069
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: the time that you just want to bring back to

1070
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: the station and be like you need to sober up

1071
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: and do whatever here. But she was clearly.

1072
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 2: Like not talking right and also had vomit all over herself,

1073
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 2: so you're like, okay, she's a little bit more. Is

1074
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 2: it just protocol to say let's just get her checked

1075
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: out just to be sure or not? Because that's how

1076
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: That's the only thing I could think here, how they

1077
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: could really get him for this because I just don't.

1078
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: Well, they proved in their lawsuit that the significant delay

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Speaker 1: in her treatment resulted in brain damage and permanent disability,

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00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: So I guess they were able to prove at some

1081
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 1: point that he didn't do something right, because, I mean,

1082
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: the state is still arguing that he acted in accordance

1083
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: to their training, but something had to be deeper than

1084
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: that if they awarded her so much money.

1085
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 2: So there's a thing that comes to stroke victims which

1086
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 2: is called fast. The acronym FEST which stands for the

1087
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 2: F is for face or drooping arm. A, the A

1088
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 2: is for the drooping arm, S is for speech difficulty,

1089
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: and T is for time. Okay, time to call nine

1090
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 2: one one. So a lot of those things, Like I'll

1091
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 2: give you an example. I used to be friends with

1092
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 2: some guy that worked at the Emmy's office, and he

1093
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: was at work one day and he was young, he

1094
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 2: was like in his fifties, and he started talking to

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00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 2: one of his coworkers and all of a sudden, like

1096
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 2: half of his face started like not moving while he

1097
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 2: was talking, and that co worker immediately of course having it.

1098
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 2: Wasn't one of the physicians that work there, but someone

1099
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 2: that works in the semi medical field was just like, dude,

1100
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 2: something's wrong with your face. You got you better go

1101
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 2: get that checked out. And sure enough, he was in

1102
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: the middle of having a stroke. It's really important if

1103
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: people notice that when they see somebody talking, because oftentimes

1104
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 2: the person that it's happening too doesn't realize that it's happening.

1105
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: So my whole thing, though, is that in a police situation,

1106
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 2: whether the pulling people over because people drink and do

1107
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: drugs all the time and drive, how is he not

1108
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 2: medically trained supposed to know the difference between someone who's

1109
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 2: wasted versus someone who's having a medical emergency.

1110
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think this couldn't have been like a

1111
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: simple mistake.

1112
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I understand that the delay in her care

1113
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: resulted in her having permanent injuries. I just I personally

1114
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 2: feel like unless I'm just missing because I did actually

1115
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 2: read the court some of the court dockets, and I

1116
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 2: saw that, you know, they were saying they were basically

1117
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 2: blowing her off as being really high, and they had

1118
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 2: pushed her into the car. She fell, she couldn't walk,

1119
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: so she had all these bruises on her legs.

1120
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: But I really.

1121
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: Don't believe that the officer thought that she was high.

1122
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:22,479
Speaker 1: He didn't think.

1123
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Speaker 2: He probably feels terrible that he missed this. Honestly, I

1124
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 2: think you are and you and I are missing crucial

1125
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 2: information from this court case, because I don't think it

1126
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 2: was so simply like you're getting all this money, because

1127
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: they don't that just would not happen that she would

1128
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: be getting this much money. And this has been going

1129
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: on since twenty nineteen, Like it's just not that cut

1130
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: and dry. So like, I'm sure they proved in some

1131
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 2: type of way that protocol wasn't followed or or something like.

1132
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 2: I just can't see it being like truly, because true, truly,

1133
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 2: this could be such an innocent mistake, so like they

1134
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 2: had to have pushed something further with the evidence has

1135
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 2: shown something else happened for her to get awarded this

1136
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 2: amount of money. Yeah, And I guess I don't know

1137
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 2: what they're training is as far as that, because I mean,

1138
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: it is definitely possible that a person could be having

1139
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: all sorts of types of medical emergencies that maybe they

1140
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 2: are trained in a certain way to look for certain

1141
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 2: signs like this is how people act when they're high,

1142
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: this is this, I don't know it's and really the

1143
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: solution is just to have ems come check them out anyway,

1144
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 2: and they would have probably realized it right away. It's

1145
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: just a terrible situation because it's just I don't know,

1146
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: Like I feel bad for everyone involved because you being

1147
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 2: a police officer and stuff. You in theory you go

1148
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 2: for the job because you want to help people, and

1149
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: like you would feel horrible if if you know that

1150
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: you could have helped this lady and she wouldn't have

1151
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: been disabled for the rest of her life. You know,

1152
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 2: all right, no other death news, So we're just gonna

1153
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 2: hop into questions of the day. Every Friday on the

1154
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 2: at mother Knows Death Instagram account, we put a story

1155
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: up with a question box and you guys can ask

1156
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 2: whatever you want. First, do your little children ever see

1157
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: the graphic picks or do they have more big questions

1158
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 2: about death? I mean, yeah, they always see the picks

1159
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 2: because I'm sitting at my desk a lot and I'm

1160
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 2: writing for the gross room, and then they'll come over

1161
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 2: and be like, what is that. I'm trying to think

1162
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: of which one I just posted the other day that

1163
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 2: they saw. Usually, if I'm doing anything that has pictures

1164
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 2: of like genitals especially, I always just am extra cautious

1165
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: to minimize it. And you know, I'll go into the

1166
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 2: kitchen to cook dinner or something. I don't leave it

1167
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 2: on my computer because my kids go on my computer sometimes,

1168
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 2: so I try to be conscious of that. But I

1169
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: have like eighty thousand photos on my phone and my

1170
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 2: kids are grab my phone all the time for whatever

1171
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: to show me some stupid YouTube video or whatever. And

1172
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 2: so they see they see stuff. I'm sure, I mean,

1173
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 2: it is what it is, and they just say like,

1174
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 2: what is that?

1175
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: And I explain it to them. But do they ask

1176
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: you like questions about death and stuff too. They asked me.

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01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: Questions about certain things like if they see somebody at

1178
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 2: their school or something that's got something wrong with them,

1179
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 2: they asked me about that. And they don't seem to

1180
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 2: be too concerned with death. There was there was a

1181
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 2: period where Lillian was a couple of years ago and

1182
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 2: I just was like, yeah, you're gonna die. I don't

1183
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: know if that like just clicked in her head and

1184
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 2: she just stopped obsessing over it because it would remember.

1185
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: She would cry and.

1186
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: Be like, I'm just scared, I'm gonna die. And I

1187
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 2: was like you are so so am I and so

1188
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 2: is everyone? So's your cat? Like, move on, this is

1189
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 2: the kind of mom you have. I'm sorry, I'm not

1190
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 2: like a coddler.

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Speaker 1: We know, all right? What kind of shoes do you

1192
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: use storing an autopsy?

1193
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: So I used to have when I was at my job,

1194
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 2: when I was doing a lot of autopsies, almost every

1195
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: day or multiple times a week, I used to keep

1196
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 2: a pair of galoshes like rain boots there that I

1197
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 2: would put on when I did an autopsy because sometimes,

1198
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 2: especially if you have patients that have hepatitis C or something,

1199
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 2: they're really really juicy. So when you cut them open,

1200
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: they they're filled with fluid and their abdomen and their

1201
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,479
Speaker 2: chest and it's just a lot of fluid can pour

1202
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 2: And especially like I was saying, my autopsy table was

1203
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 2: so small it was made for average sized people. So

1204
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: if you put a person on that table that was

1205
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: obese and you opened up their abdomen, the fluid just

1206
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 2: poured onto the floor because the table wasn't wide enough

1207
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 2: on the sides to catch it. And I had multiple

1208
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: situations where my socks would get wet with like HEPSI

1209
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 2: positive fluid or something. Even wearing those stupid covers.

1210
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: There was a.

1211
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 2: Point where we would get from the gyn floor. You'll

1212
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 2: think this is funny. They have these like booties that

1213
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 2: go up to your knees basically to catch babies and

1214
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 2: all that fluid that's coming out. But we always you know,

1215
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 2: when people, when people are dead, the insurance doesn't pay

1216
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 2: for anything anymore. So our supplies were just always scant,

1217
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: and if I could get them from the maternity floor

1218
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 2: or something, that would be fine. But the alternative was,

1219
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 2: like I just kept a pair of rain boots there

1220
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 2: that stayed in the morgue all the time. I put

1221
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 2: them on when I did the autopsy and took them off,

1222
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 2: and then that was the solution.

1223
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: All right. Any Valentine's Day plans or traditions that you have, well,

1224
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: it's the Eagles Parade, right, I understand it's the best

1225
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: day this week, but it's dick to all the women

1226
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: that are supportive and don't care about football, which is

1227
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: like many of them. Well, Valentine's Day's pretty controversial because

1228
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: everybody just is like so over and everything. Personally. Esthetically,

1229
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: it's one of my favorite holidays because I really heart

1230
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: shaped things me too, and so I can read pink

1231
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: and red and I liked like scallop trim, you know,

1232
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: all the fun, cute, dainty stuff. I feel like every

1233
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: year we usually like have a nice dinner and we

1234
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: always watch this really funny Netflix special with Michael Bolton.

1235
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: It's like some special Valentine's Day thing, but it's so

1236
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: weird and it's really funny and like a bunch of

1237
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: comedians are in it, and we definitely watch that every year.

1238
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: But otherwise it's just like whatever, we just have dinner

1239
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: and like a fancy dessert like Emil I normally wouldn't cook.

1240
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: That's something elaborate. But I guess we're getting screwed out

1241
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: of that this week.

1242
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 2: I know, I don't game might go to I don't know.

1243
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 2: I keep sending on these videos from Instagram of all

1244
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 2: the dumb shit that's been going on this week, with

1245
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 2: like people pulling the light out of you know that

1246
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: it's the light the traffic lights, Like people in our

1247
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 2: city pulled the traffic lights out of the ground. People

1248
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 2: are jumping. So I just saw someone laying on top

1249
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: of a Septa train.

1250
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: Oh I did see that because I was like, that

1251
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: is so stupid. I'm like, you're just around these people,

1252
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: Like what is attractive about this? I don't understand. The

1253
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: parade is really I went to the first parade and

1254
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: it was really scaled back compared to like the initial

1255
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: wind victory cause it's during the day. It's in the morning.

1256
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: People aren't that drunk yet. Does it go up Broad Street?

1257
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: Like where does it go? I think they start at

1258
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: the stadium and they go like they're on a bus

1259
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: where like everybody's outside, like on top of the bus

1260
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: so you could see them. And the bus goes from

1261
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: the stadium to the Art Museum and then they do

1262
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: a speech at the Art Museum and then it's over.

1263
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so whatever. So that's that's during the day.

1264
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 2: So we were gonna go over MoMA and pop ups,

1265
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 2: but not driving anywhere near Pennsylvania, Sorry, Mom, But yeah,

1266
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 2: uh for us, So the girls and I for the

1267
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 2: past for a while, for like five years, we make

1268
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 2: Gabe these like really fancy chocolate covered strawberries. It's just

1269
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 2: the tradition that we've been doing every Valentine's Day and

1270
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 2: he gets us flowers and I'll cook dinner and that's it.

1271
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: It's nothing.

1272
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 2: He'll get me flowers. Like I love getting flowers. I

1273
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 2: have so many of them. I save every flower he

1274
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 2: ever gives me, so I have like fifty bouquets of

1275
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 2: flowers around my house.

1276
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I just look forward to that Regula usually

1277
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: get me a little gift, I will say, since we're married,

1278
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: the gifts are dwindling, right, dwindling.

1279
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 2: Wait, I'm going to send you this meme that I

1280
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 2: found on Instagram that I keep sending the Gabe. It's

1281
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 2: just like, oh, so, like, you don't ask me to

1282
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 2: be your valentine anymore because we're married. I guess it's

1283
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,439
Speaker 2: like all these like zingers. It is true, though, it's

1284
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 2: just like, oh, now that you have it, it's like whatever,

1285
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 2: I'll just get you some flowers and that's it. But

1286
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 2: he didn't get me that box of chocolate from Vegan

1287
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 2: Treats which I ate in one day.

1288
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah he did get He gets me like flowers

1289
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: and candy and stuff. But like one year I got

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Speaker 1: like a weighted blanket, a fancy anthroacndle, a heating pad.

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Speaker 1: It was really nice. He's like fuck you, Like he's

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Speaker 1: like yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, no, he's you know, they

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Speaker 1: tried their best, but you could definitely see the difference

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Speaker 1: the shift from dating and wanting to lock you down.

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Speaker 1: So then they're like whatever, I don't care any it is.

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Speaker 2: See you guys, Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death.

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Speaker 2: As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's assistant.

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Speaker 2: I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy

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