1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: I Am all in again. 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: Oh, let's do. 3 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 3: Luke Steiner with Scott Patterson an iHeartRadio podcast. Hey everybody, 4 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 3: Scott Patterson, I Am all in podcast, one of them 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 3: productions iHeartRadio, iHeart Media, iHeart Podcasts, Season one, episode six 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 3: of Borri's Birthday Parties, and we are joined find none 7 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 3: other than Dacon Matthews, who portrayed Headmaster. 8 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 4: Charles I Heeart Podcasts. Listen on the iHeartRadio app. 9 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 3: Dacon, Welcome to the show. I'm joined by Tyra sud 10 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 3: My in Trepid Crew and we're just going to get. 11 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: Into it here. Tara go ahead and uh synopsizes. 12 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 4: All right. So this is season one, episode six, Rory's 13 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 4: Birthday Parties, which aired November ninth, two thousand. Emily insists 14 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 4: that Rory's birthday party take place at their home and 15 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 4: then asked Laura I for help in finding a special 16 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 4: gift for her granddaughter, but Rory is horrified to discover 17 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 4: her grandmother sent party invitations to her classmates. Then, at 18 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 4: laurelized party for Rory, Emily realizes she doesn't know either 19 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 4: of them. 20 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 3: Jake and I'm just going to start off with a 21 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,919 Speaker 3: question right away. What did you think of this episode. 22 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: I was fun watching rewatching it. It was fun rewatching 23 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: the first first season. I did, I think the second 24 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: show in the first season I had had auditioned for 25 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 2: Ed Herman's part originally Oh show, yeah, which is kind 26 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: of fun, but of course was primo and it was 27 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: fun watching it. It was It was a little unsettling 28 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: also because I had gotten used more to the later 29 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: rep episodes and of course year in the life when 30 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: everyone was sort of settled in and easy with it, 31 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: and everybody was kind of much edgier than I remembered, 32 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: you know why, that we were still creating characters, not 33 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: living in them, and right that it was. It was 34 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: a strange. It was a stranger feeling for me in 35 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: many ways. 36 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 3: It is interesting watching these first bunch of episodes because 37 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: it is that exactly as you described it is. It 38 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: is people sort of feeling their way through the dialogue 39 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 3: and feeling their way to find the rhythm of the show. 40 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: And I think the writers were. 41 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 3: Doing the same thing too, write Amy and Dan were 42 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: doing the same thing on this one. 43 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: Though. 44 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 3: I think it started coming together pretty well on all levels, 45 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 3: because it seemed like a very polished, very complete and 46 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: deeply felt episode, especially the writing. 47 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought especially Kelly and Lauren. Really, I mean, 48 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: Alex just really sort of came into their rown on 49 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: this episode. They were so identifiable as their character at 50 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: the same time, they weren't two dimensional. There was something 51 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: sort of richer than the earlier I went back and 52 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: watched a couple of other episodes earlier than that, and 53 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: it was to see even the different the growth and 54 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: the characters. Oh yeah, five or six weeks. 55 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 3: No, we start out with the Friday night dinner Lorealize 56 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: mazed Emily serving putting in Friday night dinner, and sometimes 57 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 3: Emily's niceness is completely self serving, and the pudding is 58 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: used in a metaphor and a lot of this episode, 59 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: Emily tells Rory look around the house and pick out 60 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: items for the will. 61 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's the. 62 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: Comedy here is is just so ironic and thick that 63 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: they're talking about this in dulcet tones and discussing the 64 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 3: most morbid subject you could possibly want to enter into 65 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 3: it at a dinner table to try. 66 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: It's not even faster aggressive. I mean it's. 67 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: With a posts right exactly, and so we're you know, 68 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: they're making plans for Rory's extravaganza birthday party that is 69 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 3: so out of touch with who Rory is. 70 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: And what she needs. Tara, why don't you take the 71 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: next one? 72 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 4: The gift shopping, all right, Well, only wants to buy 73 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 4: Rory something. And that's when they are picking out the 74 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 4: bracelet and she says it looks cheap, but you know, Laura, 75 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 4: I says it doesn't matter because it's I mean that 76 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 4: Rory would like. 77 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: And here we see writ large that Grandma doesn't know 78 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 3: her granddaughter at all all. She's just sort of purchasing 79 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 3: items that she would like h and wants to sort 80 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: of dictate that to her granddaughter. 81 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 4: And the analogy of a pudding comes up again right 82 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 4: in this scene. 83 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 3: And I think, I think the thing that really stuck 84 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 3: out right away in this episode for me, Dacon is 85 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: it's just how deft a comedic actress Lauren Graham is, 86 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: and even at the early stages of this show, because 87 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 3: she's throwing out zingers and one liners and quippy, funny 88 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,679 Speaker 3: little words and statements just like you know, by the dozen, 89 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 3: and they just keep coming and coming and coming. 90 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think this this is Amy, you know, 91 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 2: and Amy sort of broke onto the scene there with 92 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,119 Speaker 2: a style that we hadn't seen I don't think since 93 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 2: the Screwball comedies of the you know, pre war almost. 94 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: So it's not like anybody was already had those skills 95 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: of that sort of snappy stuff. You had to learn 96 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: how to do that. Unless you were a huge fan 97 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 2: of Screwball comedies and watched a lot of Jeene Arthur Girl, 98 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 2: you had to learn how to do Amy's stuff because 99 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 2: it was not It was not easy. 100 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: It's not easy that that was amazing to watch her, 101 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 3: just isn't it really? Just it just it seems so 102 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 3: easy for her, and it's so flowing. 103 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 2: An interesting audition process to find to find. I don't 104 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 2: know if she was always what Amy had in mind, 105 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: or if they auditioned for this role. I don't know 106 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: the backstory on how Laura ended up with the role, 107 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: but I mean, Amy was a demanding, demanding writer, and 108 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 2: they find the right person for this and. 109 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 4: They can't imagine anyone else doing it, to be honest, Yeah, 110 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 4: really yeah, I can't imagine anyone else. 111 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: You know, I've often wondered, you know, Jenna Jennifer Aniston is. 112 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 3: Very, very very good. She probably could have done something 113 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: with this role too. 114 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: I think, you. 115 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 3: Know, she's a dynamo. 116 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: She's a real dynamo as an actress. So anyway, all right, so. 117 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: We're back at Luke's diner and lucas Laura Lai sarcastically 118 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 3: with the intent of keeping her, making her shut up 119 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 3: if she will marry him. But it was sarcasting but 120 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: not really right, So the big moment, Emily hints that 121 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: Luke and Larela I that Luke the iceman. Emily can 122 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 3: tell that by the way Luke looks at her, and 123 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 3: what does she say? Looks like he wants you to 124 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: give him a lap dance. 125 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, b for something. 126 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 3: Look, he looks at you like you're a Porterhouse steak. 127 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: Right, the first time in episode six that that issue 128 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: was raised. 129 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: Yes, I believe it is. 130 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, I mean it might be bercolating underneath 131 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: earlier episodes, but right, but Yeah, says will you bury me? 132 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: Even though it's to shut her up. That's the first 133 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: time that really just sort of bursts onto. 134 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: The right I think, I think so. 135 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 136 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 4: Between that and when Emily calls out that he likes Laura, I. 137 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting, subtle, not so subtle. 138 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: But yeah, exactly. I mean, that's it. 139 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: It's the how to plant that, when to plant that, 140 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,239 Speaker 3: and how they do that. But I mean, really, I thought, 141 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: you know, I felt the chemistry from the first scene 142 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 3: that I shot with her up in Toronto when she 143 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: gets for coffee, coffee, coffee and I tell her she's 144 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: an addict. So it was, it was, it was apparent, 145 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 3: all right, So morning snuggles and coffee cake at Luke's. 146 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 3: Lorela's going into Rory's room at four three am to 147 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: say happy birthday. And this is a very, very, very 148 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 3: significant moment I thought in the growth of this show, 149 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: because all I thought about during that really sweet little 150 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 3: scene with mother and daughter is I bet everybody watching 151 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: this wishes they had a mother like this, and every 152 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 3: mother watching this wish is they had a daughter like this, 153 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 3: and if they do, they probably feel pretty good about it. 154 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: And I just thought, man, no wonder America fell in 155 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 3: love with this show so fast, head over heels because 156 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 3: of scenes like this. I thought it was a big 157 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 3: moment in the episode, and I think a big moment 158 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 3: for the fan base bonding with these two characters as 159 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 3: deeply as they remain bonded to these characters. So Rory 160 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 3: finishes Laurelized birth story, okay, because she was. 161 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: Laurel has heard a number of times. So that's what 162 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: I find interesting about the scene is they bond over 163 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 2: something that obviously would be tedious in any of this, 164 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: because it always tells her this every year, every year, 165 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: to get decided by heart. 166 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: And it's great that such a tender, sweet moment between 167 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 3: a mother and the daughter. And Rory's reaction is, eh, boy, 168 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 3: here we go. 169 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: So's it's real and its ritual at the same time, 170 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: which is right and interesting. 171 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: That's great. So she goes into Luke's. 172 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: Uh, Rory and Lanner and Lukes and uh, you know, 173 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 3: grumpy Luke says, uh, you know, I blew up balloons 174 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: off the table there. 175 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: And get the back over there. 176 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 3: I'll pull it all down. And he doesn't want the love, 177 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 3: I guess. 178 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: Uh. 179 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 3: Roy thinks she is getting old, and Dean comes in 180 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: picks something up in Mouth's happy birthday to Rory as 181 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 3: he leaves the diner. 182 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: Uh, go ahead and take this twer. This is now 183 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: Emily's party. This was a big. 184 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 4: Deal, yeah, big yeah. So this is when we find 185 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 4: out that Emily sent the invitation to everyone in Roy's 186 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 4: class and basically how controlling she is this party, and 187 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 4: Tristan is one is the one who showed Rory the 188 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 4: invitation and that's how she found out everyone was invited, 189 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 4: and everyone making decisions on what they want for Rory's 190 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 4: birthday besides Rory, which obviously frustrates Rory when she is 191 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 4: asked to make a speech in front of people that 192 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 4: she does not know. And then we kind of hear 193 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 4: about uh Christopher for a moment for the first time 194 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 4: I think in the series that he lives in California 195 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 4: and he visits. 196 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: Rory that obnoxious well woman being so inappropriately. 197 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 4: Mitzi, yeah, funny. 198 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 3: And Laurai gets out of adverse things. I'm like, well, 199 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 3: I see someone else someone else, so tell you later. 200 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 4: And then we have obviously the sweet moment with Richard 201 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,599 Speaker 4: who gives Rory a card for fez. 202 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: Mm hmm, what is that? What that is? 203 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: What is fez as is a location? Right? 204 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 4: It's yeah, she wanted to visit, so he would give 205 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 4: her money for the trip, and then we see it 206 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 4: again at her house and he's given it to her 207 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 4: in the past. And then there's that moment with Tristan, 208 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 4: that Richard approved of Tristan and Rory wants nothing to 209 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 4: do with him. 210 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought what was the most interesting about just 211 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: that transition from the cafe to the party is that 212 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: she's got this invitation and she sees it and it 213 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: couldn't be more humiliating a teenager girl like that. What 214 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: we find out later in the episode, she does not 215 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: tell her mother about it. 216 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, doesn't. 217 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 2: She senses a thawing of the relationship the pudding basically, 218 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: which is the metaphor of the thawing of the relationship 219 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: between the mother and daughter, and she doesn't want to 220 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: do anything that stops that. And I thought that was 221 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: a very subtle character thing to to lay on to 222 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 2: Rory at that particular moment, that her concern learn for 223 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: her mother's relationship with her grandmother, which was I thought, 224 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 2: you know, as much as the as much as the 225 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 2: mother and daughter are fighting over over that, the grandmother 226 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 2: and the mother are fighting over that relationship, the daughter, 227 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: the granddaughter is trying to trying to heal. 228 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 3: It rightly, writing right, it's like who's raising who here? 229 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 230 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: It really there almost seems to be no boundaries. 231 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't really blame Rory for having her 232 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 4: breaking point wanting when she doesn't want to make a speech, 233 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 4: because she'd been holding that in she didn't want to 234 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 4: be at the party, But in that moment she kind 235 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 4: of snapped on Emily because she doesn't know anyone in 236 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 4: that room, and the people who she knows she doesn't like. 237 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: So, yeah, you got to give Emily the benefit of down. Yeah, 238 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: she's a tough one though, but I was sort. 239 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: Of astonished at how clueless she is. But that's the 240 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: point of the episode at the right, because I really 241 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: do not know. Right you think the episode is about 242 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: she doesn't know her granddaughter very well, that's what the 243 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 2: shopping is about. But the episode is about she doesn't 244 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: know her. 245 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: Daughter right right? 246 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 3: There are there are tragic elements, you know, sprinkled in 247 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: that make you very moving stuff. 248 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: Okay, so Emily. Uh So, now we're at the college fair. 249 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 3: And this is a scene where we see Rory walking 250 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 3: up to the Harvard table because it's college day and 251 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 3: getting a pamphlet, and Paris happens to be there at 252 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 3: the same time, and they realize, oh god, you're going 253 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: you want to go to Harvard too? 254 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: But then it turns into a discussion about uh, Tristan 255 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: and do you like him? And Rory's answer is not 256 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: even a little bit. 257 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: And that's the first time we see, you know, the 258 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 3: iceberg that is Paris melting a little bit and becoming 259 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 3: a little bit vulnerable with Rory. Yeah, so we see 260 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: that maybe perhaps there is some hope. 261 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: Here for a budding friendship. Not a lot right now, 262 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: but she's been pretty cool. 263 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 4: Was the first time they said me, there's room for 264 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,479 Speaker 4: both of them at Harvard. 265 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 3: Right, right, right, So the beginning of something, you know, 266 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: your antagonist turns into your protagonists. But it's going to 267 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 3: be a while, all right, Tara take this party for Rory, 268 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 3: which was just an incredibly satisfying scene. 269 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, this was a fun one. So obviously at the 270 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 4: end of the party at Emily's house, Rory invites her 271 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 4: grandparents to her party at lore Lies and you really 272 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 4: see all of stars hollow in this, all the characters, 273 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 4: the people who've been around Rory since she was a 274 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 4: little kid. I thought it was funny when they reading 275 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 4: the doorbell and Laura is like, just get in here. 276 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 4: Whatever she said about you, yeah, get. 277 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 3: Your asses in here, And then she saw too, and 278 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 3: then asses. 279 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 4: There we go, and that's when we find out that 280 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 4: Emily and Richard have never been to Laura I's house, 281 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 4: which I thought was interesting. And we see, you know, 282 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 4: Emily loves Suki's cooking, and then we Emily is listening 283 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 4: to the stories about Rory that Miss Patty's talking about 284 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 4: Richard's outside reading magazine that Rory gives him, and then 285 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 4: that this is the moment Cosmo yes, which I'm not 286 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 4: sure if you know, but the famous line from this episode, 287 00:16:54,480 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 4: uh is I am an autumn from Richard and uh yeah. 288 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 4: Then this is where we see Luke bring the ice 289 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 4: and and then Emily wanders into Lorelei's room and I 290 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 4: think that's when she really realizes she doesn't know her 291 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,239 Speaker 4: daughter in the town she lives in. 292 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 293 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: You know, we know the relationship from from with with 294 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: with God is warming up and he walks into two 295 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 2: bags of ice, So this sort of counter imagery to 296 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: what we know what's actually going on. 297 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 3: Which so it's so hot between them and the ice 298 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: to cool it off. Yeah, first time Emily sees Luke, 299 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 3: first time they meet. 300 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: Uh, first time we see Laurel eye. 301 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 3: Be physical with Luke right, give she gave him a 302 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 3: big hugs the first time we've seen that. 303 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: So every up to now, everything between them has been 304 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 2: hot coffee. 305 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 4: Right, Maybe it don't. 306 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 3: And you know that that's one of those things that 307 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 3: a man can misinterpret that that happiness as oh game 308 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 3: on here and so teasing the audience a little bit 309 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 3: here about what. 310 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: Is to come. 311 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 3: But I just look, I just thought that that Roy's 312 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 3: birthday party was everything you need to know about the show, 313 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 3: what it's about at its core, community, all of these 314 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 3: you know, great people, eccentric characters. Miss Patty hitting on 315 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 3: Richard was hysterical. She's so bold, but just a love 316 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 3: surrounding that. 317 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 2: Particularly, I really liked the fact that Emily loved Suki's cooking. 318 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 2: Yeah some reason. That sort of was like a window 319 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: opening saying there may be some relationship possible between the 320 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 2: two worlds. 321 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 3: And that Emily's Emily's not a complete monster. There's a 322 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 3: human being there that appreciates fine cooking. 323 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 2: She doesn't. 324 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: It comes from you're very talented. 325 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 3: But then of course she steps in and has to 326 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 3: take over and says, I'll make you very rich. 327 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I discovered you exactly. 328 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 3: She owns her now, yes, but I really enjoyed that scene, 329 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 3: very very pleasant scene. 330 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 4: And the scene at the scene when the Emily and 331 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 4: Richard leaving, that was a little heartbreaking to see Emily 332 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 4: in the car. 333 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I imagine feeling that way. You know, your whole 334 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 3: life flashing before you and you you haven't you know, 335 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 3: for the past sixteen years, you haven't really had a 336 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 3: relationship with your daughter. That's powerful. I mean that sense 337 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 3: of loss and oh boy, And she did it with 338 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 3: a couple of lo you. 339 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 2: Know, yeah, and it was one of them because it 340 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 2: was just a moment right then she remember right back, 341 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: but she had that that moment and then gathers up. 342 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 3: And watching two masters filling moments and not overdoing it 343 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 3: and Richard acknowledging and then Okay, let's just drive away 344 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 3: and that's all it needs. 345 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: It's just mm hmm uh. And then. 346 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 3: We have another one of these moments where Lorelei realizes 347 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 3: that her little girl's growing up and she's going to 348 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: leave home, and that's a tough one. Dean giving Rory 349 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 3: a handmaid was a necklace or atlet, bracelet, bracelet? 350 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 2: What was the dangle on the bracelet? What was that? 351 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: Was it a coin. 352 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 4: I think it was a coin, yeah, something that he said, 353 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 4: he he he made the leather string, but he took 354 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 4: the coin. 355 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think that again. And I mean, Amy's 356 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: so clever in his way. But here's Emily throwing vast 357 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 2: amounts of money at Glorie, money will buy her and 358 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 2: then she gets just a coin from which is kind. 359 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 4: Of I never thought of it that way. 360 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 2: You know, she's a clever, clever writer. 361 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: It is clever, isn't it. 362 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Emily saving up all her energy and love for 363 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 3: her granddaughter that she didn't get to shower her own 364 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 3: daughter with. 365 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: H And you know, you still have. 366 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 3: To feel for her a little bit, yep, still have 367 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 3: to feel these are these are human beings going through 368 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 3: life and having real issues, you know, and. 369 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: Uh, it's just so dark entertaining to watch. 370 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 3: I mean, there's a really powerful drama underneath all of this, 371 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 3: all this great dialogue and pop culture references and all 372 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 3: this humor, you know, and it's. 373 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 2: Just you look at it from the other side of you. 374 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: If you're if you're a parent and you have an 375 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: extremely rebellious child, that's a heartbreak you just you can't do, 376 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: not reach across the gulf at all, you know, and 377 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 2: it becomes mutually recriminatory between the two of them. 378 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 3: Can tell us what it was like working those scenes 379 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 3: with Scott Cohen and Lauren and uh, you did some 380 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 3: marvelous work on this show, extremely popular character with the fans. 381 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 3: Tell us, tell us about how it all started. 382 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 2: As I look back, you know, I didn't realize it 383 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: at the time, but as I look back, I think 384 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 2: I never got the stars Hollow. I was never part 385 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: of the never part of the part of the fun people. 386 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 2: You know, it's always I was always an outsider. And 387 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: there was a kind of a uh, you know, a 388 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: charm about Star's Hollow and nobody. Nobody actually thinks, Oh, 389 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 2: I really wish I could be a chiltern everybody. I 390 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 2: remember I was. I was living in Long Island doing 391 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: a play, I think, and I was at I lived 392 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 2: close to the train stage, and so I said, I 393 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: used to take the train in and out. And I 394 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 2: was standing at the at the L I R R 395 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 2: ticket dispenser machine, and this woman and her daughter started 396 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 2: coming over to me, and she said, excuse me, can 397 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 2: I can I bother you for a moment, and I 398 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 2: thought she wanted to figure out how to use the 399 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: machine and I said, yeah, sure, of course you head 400 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: Master Charleston, and I said, well, I was, yes, I was. 401 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 2: He says, oh god, you live here in Malverne and 402 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 2: I said what I do? Yes, Now, they said, it's 403 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: our own little stars hollow, isn't it. This mother and 404 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 2: daughter were trying to emulate the relationship that was existing 405 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 2: between the two characters, but also the whole feeling of 406 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 2: the small town environment. And I thought that that town 407 00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 2: really became iconic for a lot of people, whereas Chiltern 408 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: became iconic for something else, something a little colder, a 409 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 2: little bit more, you know, harder, and stuff like that. 410 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 2: But it was fun because I remember when I first 411 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 2: started again, as I said, you had to learn how 412 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: to how to talk amy, And I think the very 413 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 2: first thing the director said to me, I mean my 414 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 2: first episode was Dacon, don't take any pauses in your 415 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 2: speech because if you take a pause, we're going to 416 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: cut it away from you. 417 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 4: Let's keep going, keep going, and. 418 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: Be word perfect. So you were always slightly on edge 419 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 2: and panicky that you had to get through your speeches 420 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: so fast. But you know, it was not a difficult 421 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 2: role for me to play. I have actually was an educator. 422 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: I was a college professor for twenty five years, right, 423 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: and I still teach somewhat. So it was not very difficult, 424 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 2: but it was. It was fun interacting being the other 425 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 2: world from stars Hollow, being the world that that Rory 426 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: had to navigate where where it wasn't easy when the 427 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 2: navigation wasn't easy. And it was also fun because I 428 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: had some a very good friend who was also part 429 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 2: of the part of the Chielton I think, which was 430 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: Emily Bergel. It was a very good friend of mine 431 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 2: and we worked together in theater for for many years together. 432 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: So it was fun. That was not nice. 433 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 3: Do you remember episodes? Uh directed by Amy? Were you 434 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 3: directed by Amy? 435 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: I think at least one, I think, yeah, I don't remember, right. 436 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: Was it did? 437 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 3: Was that a different experience from the other directors? 438 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 2: Pretty much pretty much doing what anyone. I'm working with 439 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 2: them again right now as a matter of fact, on 440 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: their new. 441 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: Series, Oh the Palladinos. Yeah yeah, oh. 442 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, the ballet series. 443 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: Oh that's fantastic. 444 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just got. 445 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: What's your character? Where were were you in Paris? 446 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 2: I was in Paris for one day, I mean, and 447 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: I shot a day in Manhattan as well. It's it's 448 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 2: a story of two ballet companies, one in Paris and 449 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 2: one in Manhattan that exchanged personnel because they're having problems attracting, 450 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 2: you know, audiences and stuff. And I play And it's 451 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 2: actually a bilingual series, tolf of it is in French. 452 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,719 Speaker 2: It's quite that right, And I play the chairman of 453 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 2: the board of a major New York performing arts company. 454 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 2: I'm the chairman of the board of the ballet company, 455 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: not an no. And and it's and it's and Luke 456 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 2: who played you know who was in the in the 457 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 2: is playing the lead. He's the artistic director of the ballet. Okay, 458 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,479 Speaker 2: the manager, district manager. 459 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: So it's great, yeah, really anticipating that serious. 460 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 2: And Daniel was directing both of the episodes that I 461 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 2: was in. 462 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 4: Oh okay, Well, I have a question. You've had some 463 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 4: pretty fun scenes over the series. Is there anyone that 464 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 4: stands out to you as one of your favorite moments 465 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 4: as head Master Charleston. 466 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: You know, I really enjoyed my last one in Year 467 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 2: in the Life. I really enjoyed that because, you know, 468 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 2: I got to work again with with with Lisa and Alexis. 469 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 2: But it was a completely different feeling. He was a 470 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 2: different kind of you know, now that they were graduates 471 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 2: and more or less successful or still you know, not 472 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: quite successful as they wanted to be, he was able 473 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 2: to show a sort of a difference. I mean he 474 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: actually offered Rory a job. Yeah, he actually sympathized with her, 475 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 2: you know, as opposed to being the other thing. So 476 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 2: I loved that. I love that seat, you know, a 477 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 2: lot with the with the two of them in that room. 478 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 2: That was probably the favorite thing that I've done in 479 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 2: the whole in the whole one. The other one, I 480 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 2: guess is when confronting them, when what do they do? 481 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 2: They they raided my office and did something I forget. Well, yeah, yeah, 482 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: there was a was a. 483 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 4: In the middle of the night, right, Yeah. 484 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, that that idea of a school administrator having to 485 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 2: punish kids, But every school administrator knows that the kids 486 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 2: are going to do this all the time. It's like 487 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 2: it's almost like a ritual you go through. Rather than 488 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: being really angry, you have to pre not you don't 489 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: pretend to be you are angry, but you realize this 490 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 2: is what kids do. You can't stop. That was That 491 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: was a fun scene as well. 492 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: Well, what subject were you teaching for elst year? 493 00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: Uh? English was an English professor and then drama. 494 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: Oh boy, where where where were you teaching? 495 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: I taught at cal State at cal State University, it 496 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 2: used to be called Hayward Hayward Calson East by now 497 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 2: and then I taught at Juilliard for three years. Oh 498 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 2: did you really Yeah, very early years at Juilliard. 499 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: Did you Did you have any students that went on 500 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: too greatness? Oh? 501 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 2: Well yes, uh, Patty lepone n. I was very close 502 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: with Group one. In fact, I was. I got my 503 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: job at Judiard because my wife was one of the 504 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 2: students in Group one. And I went back and I 505 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 2: knew John and bade him for a job because I 506 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 2: was going to go back to graduate school as well 507 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 2: at NYU. So he hired me to do some part 508 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: time work there. And then about in the third year, 509 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: their third year, they added Kevin Klein and David Steyers 510 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 2: to the class, and by John Negro and Housman decided 511 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 2: I want to form a company of these people, but 512 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: they were one character man short. So for my third 513 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: year at Juilliard teaching, he sort of said, we're going 514 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: to cut back on your teaching, keep doing the administering, 515 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 2: and I want you to join that group and form 516 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 2: the company with them. So that that first year class, 517 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 2: which was quite phenomenal, and I the Ringer, the sixteen 518 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: of them and me the seventeenth. The Ringer formed the 519 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 2: acting company in the early years. 520 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 3: And that Housman's baby from day one. 521 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 522 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 3: And so he he gleaned this idea borrowing from what 523 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 3: the group theater, from from what well he had. 524 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 2: The Murky had the Mercury Theater, and he knew the 525 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 2: Group theater people, and he tried to He actually was 526 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 2: one of the people behind the finding of the Center 527 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 2: Theater group in Los Angeles as well, when he was 528 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: in when he was in when he was in at USC. 529 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: But I think what happened was and this happened in dramas. 530 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 2: I don't know if you went to drama school or not, Scott, 531 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 2: did you. 532 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: I was in New York. Yeah, I studied with Bobby Lewis. 533 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: I was the interest too well. 534 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 2: In conservatories. What happened is classes developed personalities. You know, 535 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 2: they used to call them groups. I still call them groups, 536 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: said Julia Lip, like group fifty two or fifty three, 537 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 2: I think now but you have group one, Group two, 538 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: Group three, Group four, and we in the fact that 539 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 2: he always always noticed that each group had its own personality, 540 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 2: its own thing, and some of them would be really 541 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 2: good and some of them would just never meld well. 542 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 2: Group one had a particularly good group of artists and 543 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 2: young artists in it, but also a certain dynamic, and 544 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 2: Houseman looked at it and said, I don't want to 545 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 2: break these people up, and he kept much of that 546 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: group together for four or five years. I didn't my 547 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 2: wife and I didn't stay with it past the first 548 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 2: year because we were coming back to California to start 549 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 2: a family. Was just and also he believed, and it 550 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: turns out not to be true, that the conservatories were 551 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: going to be feeding the regional repertory theaters across the country. 552 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 2: His idea and everybody's thought at the time, was that 553 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 2: there would be these hundreds of regional repertory theaters doing 554 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: classical plays all over the country, and they would need 555 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 2: a steady stream of very talented young people to fill them. 556 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 2: So they would be so and he'd give them a 557 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 2: repertory company experience so they could go out and populate 558 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 2: the theaters across the country. Turns out that wasn't what 559 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: happened in American theater. There are only a couple of 560 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 2: regional repertory companies left. But he wanted to have He 561 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: wanted the kids to have that great company repertory experience, 562 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 2: you know. 563 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 3: And did Juilliards start out with an eye on the classics? Yes, 564 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 3: Steepton Shakespeare and very much. 565 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 2: So, and in the European tradition really because John was 566 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 2: a co founder with Michelle san Deni, who was one 567 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 2: of the great classical theater trainers from from Frands and Canada. Yeah, 568 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 2: that was the other thought that the regional theaters would 569 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 2: be doing a mix of classics and contemporary plays, but 570 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: always a lot of classics. And that turns out to 571 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 2: be true. 572 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,479 Speaker 1: Right, And it is still thriving today. 573 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 2: And the Acting Company I'm now on the board of 574 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 2: the Acting Company as as a board member. It's fifty 575 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 2: two years old. And yes, they're sending out a national 576 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 2: tour of a Shakespeare play and and two trends running 577 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 2: you know, wow, And they're going to play about maybe 578 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 2: twenty venues across the country. So the Acting Company is 579 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 2: still so it's always on the edge, I mean, as 580 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: all theater companies these are nowadays, they're on the edge 581 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 2: of financial disaster all the time. 582 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: You know. 583 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 5: I always thought that, you know, at the beginning of COVID, 584 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 5: and once COVID, COVID combined with what's happening in the 585 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 5: film and TV business, Yeah, you know, the shrinking of 586 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 5: this business. 587 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 3: The money seems to be disappearing for everybody. As streaming 588 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 3: kind of snuffs out the fires, uh the economic fires 589 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 3: as it as it was that live theater would thrive 590 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 3: again because people were seeking you know, live entertainment that 591 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 3: they were they were not getting the choices coming out 592 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 3: out of Hollywood because of all the tent poles that 593 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 3: were being made, because there was no money available to 594 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 3: make anything really uh nuanced, and you know these these 595 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 3: sort of independent stories or or even mainstream stories. They 596 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 3: weren't doing anything but superhero stuff because it's the only 597 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,879 Speaker 3: thing they could pay the bills with. And I thought 598 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 3: it would affect live theater and I hope it still does. 599 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: I hope. I I imagine that live theater. 600 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 3: Becomes so popular that I have to start building new 601 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 3: venues to house all the demand. 602 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 2: We would think that, but a pandemic put up an 603 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 2: I mean so many theaters had to close. My own theater, 604 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 2: you know that, I ran for a number of years, 605 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 2: the Shakespeare Festival in California one and now it's closing 606 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 2: today after fifty years. Last week and I was so 607 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,879 Speaker 2: many theaters closed that you just can't build them back 608 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 2: up from bootstrap, you know, you can't very hard to 609 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: start them again. I think what may help is AI. 610 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, at a certain point, people will realize the 611 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 2: only place you'll be sure it isn't AI is on 612 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 2: the stage, correct that you know, that's the only place 613 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 2: you could be pretty sure you're actually watching real people. 614 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 2: Because they can now make avatars of us. We have 615 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 2: to actually legally get into the court rooms and stop 616 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 2: them right our faces and voices. 617 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 3: Hey, it's a copyright issue for everybody. Yeah, especially in 618 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 3: entertainment fields. God, I hope so, because really, there is 619 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 3: nothing more vital than lives eater when it's done well, 620 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 3: there just isn't. 621 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 2: You can't about twenty years of a lot of work 622 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 2: on stage and scream I'm pretty much back in live 623 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 2: theater full time. 624 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: Now, Oh what are you doing right now? 625 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 2: You finished a really ten year, really good period of 626 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 2: time about nine Broadway shows in a row. Wow, which 627 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 2: was exhilarating and great and fun. 628 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: Wow. 629 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 2: And now I'm kind of relatively unemployed because I'm a 630 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 2: little too old for nobody writes plays for eighty four 631 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 2: year old men and white man anymore. We're a napa. 632 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 3: Oh boy, Well, listen, it's been a pleasure catching up 633 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 3: with you, and your insights are are much appreciated. 634 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 2: Is this great? 635 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: Any any closing thoughts? 636 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 2: It's a takin Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna have to 637 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 2: do a little commercial. I have a I have a 638 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 2: script that I've prepared, a Shakespeare script that I've paired, 639 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 2: combining the parts of Henry four, Part one and two 640 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,760 Speaker 2: into a single play, which has been done about twenty 641 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 2: times across the country, including a big Broadway production. But 642 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 2: it's going to be mounted again in New York at 643 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 2: Theater for a new audience this coming January and February. Okay, 644 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 2: it's really good, it's a great it's a big it's 645 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 2: actually what life there is a big fun project with 646 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 2: fifteen or sixteen actors on stage doing a monumental work 647 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 2: that really means something also for our time. So it's 648 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 2: that's my commercial. 649 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: Is that Is that a Juilliard Project. 650 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 2: No, that's a theater for a new audience. 651 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the Companys. 652 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 2: Theater over in Brooklyn. 653 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, great. 654 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 2: So that play did actually have its premiere at Juilliard 655 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 2: among a student body without my knowing it. I had 656 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 2: shared the script with the director at Juilliard, and then 657 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 2: I went back to California and he just go ahead 658 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 2: and directed it with his students. 659 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,720 Speaker 3: Have you have you ever played any roles in Hamlet 660 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 3: on stage? 661 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 2: I've done Polonius two or three times, okay, and the 662 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 2: Ghost and the grave Digger. Oh my first player. 663 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, Polonius, juicy role. 664 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, did opposite Hamish oh, okay one and 665 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 2: then Yeah. 666 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure. 667 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 3: Keep up the good work, and thank you for your 668 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 3: contributions to live theater. It's it's so important too for 669 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 3: people to have access to quality theater, to keep the 670 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 3: arts alive. And if I'm in New York, I'm gonna 671 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 3: I'm gonna come see that play. It should be so 672 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 3: thank you so much, Dake and Matthews, everybody, and hopefully 673 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:51,879 Speaker 3: we'll talk soon. 674 00:38:51,960 --> 00:39:23,959 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, take care, everybody, don't 675 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 3: Again follow us on Instagram at I am all In 676 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 3: podcast and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.