1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: All right, let's do this. It is the big al 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: MVP debate. We have Ryan Davis joining us right now. 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Of course, you can catch his work in the Seattle Times. 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: He's been on here before many times. Chris Kershner also 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: has been on here, and you can follow his work 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: covering the Yankees in the Athletic. Nice and simple here, 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: we'll start with Chris. 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: Al MVP. 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: Your thoughts. 10 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 3: I'm not really entirely sure why it's a debate. Like 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 3: I get that cal Raley had a great year with Seattle, 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 3: hitting sixty home runs as the catchers, obviously incredibly impressive, 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 3: but you know, Aaron Judge was forty three percent better 14 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 3: statistically speaking than Raleigh offensively. Raleigh didn't grade out particularly 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 3: well defensively. I get he has other duties that he's 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 3: in charge of when it comes to managing the pitching staff, 17 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,319 Speaker 3: but you know, Judge had another historic season. He had 18 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 3: fifty three home runs, won the best adding title. How 19 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 3: to WRC plus over two hundred, which is not common. 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 3: I'm not really sure why it's a debate Judge would 21 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 3: be the MVP. 22 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: Ryan Davish, your thoughts, why do you think cal Raley 23 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: should be in further consideration than Chris is considering. 24 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 4: Uh cal Rawley trying to catch Carlos Margus in a 25 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 4: leverage situation and blocking every pitch. That's why you know 26 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,639 Speaker 4: you got two former catchers on here. And the beating 27 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 4: that cal Raley took, the amount of innings he logged 28 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 4: behind the plate, the amount of responsibility they can't be 29 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 4: measured in statistics. This isn't the category for best offensive player. 30 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 4: I mean, if it was, Judge would be a winner 31 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 4: and a landslide. 32 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 5: But it's about overall value. 33 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 4: I mean, it's a gray area that's been left up 34 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 4: to the voters and how you measure it. But I've 35 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 4: watched a lot of bad catching in my life, and 36 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 4: I've seen elite catching. Even if the framing numbers don't 37 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 4: match this year, which is also inative of the strike 38 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 4: zone changes that they've had. I just don't really feel 39 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 4: like a player that a catcher that goes out and 40 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 4: does what he's done and puts up the numbers he has. 41 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 4: I just think there's too much value in what he 42 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 4: does on a daily basis, on both sides, you know, 43 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 4: behind the plate as well as at the plate to 44 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: be overlooked. 45 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 2: Dav Thank you I thought you were talking about me 46 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: there for a while when you started talking about me, 47 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: So thank you, thank you for the kind words. And 48 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: second of all, it was nice of you to get 49 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: off the Loaje deck a. You're on your cruise that 50 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: you're on wherever the heck you are, because the next 51 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 2: performer looks like they're getting ready to start. I don't 52 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 2: know what the heck's happening behind you, but I probably 53 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: don't want to know the answer to that. 54 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 4: I'm at the Cosmo and at the GM meetings. There's 55 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 4: some weird stuff going on around here. There's a huge 56 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 4: you see that statue behind me. I mean, like it's 57 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 4: really strange, you know. I mean, the Cosmo is an 58 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 4: interesting place. It's just been overtaken by a bunch of 59 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 4: middle aged white dudes and quarter zips and on cloud shoes. 60 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 5: Right now. 61 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, again, you're talking about me, So take it 62 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: easy and quartership. I have Jordan zone. But I'm gonna 63 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: say this. I agree with you. Ryan cal Rawley's the MVP. 64 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 2: I've been saying it since June. I also said he's 65 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: hit sixty homers. Nobody believed me on that. And the 66 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: second thing, there's many reasons why historic year catcher. His 67 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: numbers were what those numbers are, But he has been 68 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: gold Glove in the past, Platinum Glove, all that. But 69 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: what he what the different team makes for his team 70 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: to me is why he's the most valuable player. Plus 71 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: I'm just a firm believer in guys that win. Cal 72 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 2: Rawly is a winner. He should win. No Offenser and Judge, 73 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: we love you. And final word, he has the best 74 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: nickname in the sport, so that should also be a point. 75 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 5: Yeah. 76 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 4: To me, it's like, you look at Cal and what 77 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 4: he accomplished this year, There'll never be another season like 78 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 4: this again. I think Judge is perfectly capable of putting 79 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 4: together another season like he did this year. He's that 80 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 4: good offensively. But you know, he didn't play in the 81 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 4: field as much. He was a liability in the field 82 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 4: after he got injured. I just think, and we're nitpicking here, 83 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 4: we're nitpicking both of these guys in any other season 84 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 4: if they don't If you know, one of these guys 85 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 4: throws out this season and they don't have them together, 86 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 4: we're not having this debate. We're talking about as two 87 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 4: guys that put together ridiculous seasons at the same time. 88 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 4: I mean, I remember the year with Trout and Miguel 89 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 4: Cabrera and Miki getting the triple crown. I mean, I 90 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 4: guess to me, and I'm sure there'll be a lot 91 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 4: of anger and a lot of debate, but you know, 92 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 4: I just look at the value of catching and the 93 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 4: defensive position and it's just it outweighs any other position 94 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 4: on the field significantly. 95 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 6: Chris, this is my This is how I always argue 96 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 6: when people are arguing this. I want you to tell 97 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 6: me why cal Rawley is the MVP, and then I 98 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 6: want Ryan to tell me why Aaron Judge is the MVP, 99 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 6: because I think when you put out there the things 100 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 6: that you think, Okay, Aaron Judge did this amazing, we're 101 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 6: talking about value, and if you don't look at the 102 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 6: other person's value, I don't think you can truly come 103 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 6: to the determination of who should be the MVP unless 104 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 6: you're only looking at the person that you think should 105 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 6: be MVP. 106 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: You follow what I'm. 107 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: Saying, Yep, Yeah, I mean I think again, Roley had 108 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: a great year. You know, AJ said he had a 109 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 3: historic year, and that absolutely should be considered here when 110 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: we're talking about who shouldn't and shouldn't win MVP hasn't 111 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: been done before. He had the most home runs in 112 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 3: a single season by a switch hitter. I get all that, 113 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 3: and also again he's managing and pitching staff on a 114 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: day to day basis. He's the leader of the team. 115 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 3: Mariners won the division for the first time since two 116 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: thousand and one, and Cal obviously had a huge role 117 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 3: in that. So I certainly get the argument there. My 118 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: point is that is all of that, you know, does 119 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 3: that come close to what Judge's difference is when it 120 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 3: comes to what he did offensively? And I also think 121 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 3: it's being discounted. You know, you talk about Cal's leadership, 122 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: Well what about Judges leadership. You know, he was the 123 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: leader of a team that won ninety four games, tied 124 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 3: for the best record in the American League. Obviously, you know, 125 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 3: you speak to all of the players and everyone raves 126 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: about his leadership. He had a great season defensively. Obviously 127 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: he had the elbow injury which impacted his throwing, but 128 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 3: you know he was still fifth and outs above average 129 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 3: for all right fielders. So I guess, you know, does 130 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 3: that leadership aspect what he did defensively? Does that give 131 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 3: Judge the edge over Raleigh. I think both of these 132 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: guys are ultimately deserving of winning the MVP. But you know, 133 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: in my opinion, again, I think the offensive differences are 134 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 3: just too big in judges favor. 135 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 2: Right if as if you look at it, go ahead, 136 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: go ahead. 137 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 4: No, I'm totally going to use this argument theory with 138 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 4: my girlfriend. So when we're having an argument, I want 139 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 4: you to go from my perspective and I'll go from yours. 140 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 5: I mean, that's going to help me out a lot, 141 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 5: I think, because I'm always in trouble. 142 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 4: To me, it's the argument for Judge is this, His 143 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 4: numbers offensively were so good it doesn't matter what position 144 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 4: he was playing, whether it was D H right field, 145 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 4: whether he was good in the field or not. His 146 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 4: offensive numbers were simply so unbelievably good that it doesn't 147 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 4: matter anything else that that that that alone, what he 148 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 4: did at the plate can well what he did at 149 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 4: the plate, the shear, the sheer, statistics that he produced 150 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 4: h overweight or over you know, outweigh any narratives of 151 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 4: leadership or even defensive metrics that I find kind of 152 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 4: you know, not always reliable, or you know, the concept 153 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 4: of leadership that everything he did at the plate alone 154 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 4: puts him over the top of what anybody else did. 155 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 4: That's the argument you make for in Judge. 156 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 6: All right, So Ryan and Chris, this is my question, 157 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 6: and maybe this can't ever be done because we're just 158 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 6: talking about in a vacuum. If you traded cal Ray 159 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 6: for Aaron Judge, do each team end up at the 160 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 6: same place? I'll go to Ryan first. Does each team 161 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 6: end up in the same place? Does do the Mariners 162 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 6: end up in the same place if they got Aaron Judge? 163 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 6: And then Chris you can answer right after he's done. 164 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 5: That's a good question. 165 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: I'm looking at. 166 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 4: I'm thinking about who the Mariners have as catchers and 167 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 4: what they would do. Yeah, that I don't know that 168 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 4: they would. I mean, Aaron Judges' numbers were so good 169 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 4: and so unbelievable. But the amount of trust that is 170 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 4: placed in cal Raley on a daily basis to handle 171 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 4: the pitch calling, the game calling, the defense, the defense, 172 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 4: a lot of the strategy. I don't know that any 173 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 4: other catcher out there not named JT. Real Mudo fits that. 174 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 5: Bill. I mean, maybe you know. 175 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 4: Because Kirk and all those other guys like all is 176 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 4: elite and what he does. And I don't know that 177 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 4: you can find somebody like that. 178 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: Krats pop quiz. 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I just think if we're 199 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 3: looking at it on a year to year basis and 200 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 3: what Judge has done consistently, now, I think they would 201 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 3: be worse off in the long term. But if we're 202 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 3: talking about just this year alone, it's probably similar. But 203 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 3: I would want judges consistency for the long term. 204 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: Okay, well, I have two questions on this since Scratch 205 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: parted up. If Judge was hitting in Seattle, would his 206 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: numbers go down? And if Raley was hitting in New 207 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: York would his numbers go up? 208 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 6: Right? 209 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: Because Seattle is so hard to hit in New York 210 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: has two of the shortest porches in baseball, So if 211 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: they were switched, would the numbers change a little bit? 212 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: I think, if I'm not mistaken, that Raleigh would have 213 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 3: fewer home runs in Yankee Stadium than he would in Seattle. 214 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 3: I'm actually, Chris, come on, do you actually believe that 215 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 3: you would not believe. 216 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: That in real life? You believe you could do this 217 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: and dad, and you don't. You're not telling me. If 218 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: Cal Rowly played in the Yankee Stadium and hit left 219 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: handed one hundred games, he wouldn't just yank twenty more 220 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: homers in there because he's just gonna out and snatch 221 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 2: balls down the Oh come, I mean, I hate playing 222 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: one hundred games in Yankee Stadium. Thank you for bringing 223 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 2: that up. Thank you for bringing that up. Because he 224 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 2: can't because he's Calor he's gonna be the MVP. That's up. 225 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 3: You could have fifty nine home runs in Seattle and 226 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 3: fifty four home runs in New York. 227 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 4: Oh gosh, I the numbers don't lie, right, Oh god, 228 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 4: there are times right still, there are times are right 229 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 4: questions that cast. 230 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 5: I mean, Stock asked that Cole Young hitting a four hundred. 231 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 4: And eighty foot home run initially, and then they had 232 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 4: to go in and reach so and magically, sometimes that 233 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 4: cast doesn't seem to work. 234 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 5: It's not just Yankee Stadium. 235 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 4: You know, cal Raley playing in the Al East Benway, Toronto. 236 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 4: I mean like in the in the West, you're playing 237 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 4: in Anaheim, and well, Sacramento has become a launching pad 238 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 4: now Texas, but you know Texas isn't great. Yeah, Houston 239 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 4: can be I don't know. I I like, I think 240 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 4: too is like you're you adjust you're hitting level to 241 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 4: your to the park itself, and how you would do. 242 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 5: It, I don't know. 243 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 4: I just think like if you put cal Ra in 244 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 4: a Yankees uniform and he did the stuff he did 245 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 4: this year, they'd be building a freaking statue outside of 246 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 4: Yankee Stadium for him. I mean, like, you know, the 247 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 4: the they'd be writing songs about it. 248 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 5: It's just it's a different mindset in New York. But 249 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,479 Speaker 5: like Judges, just Judge. 250 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,599 Speaker 4: Is just different that Like, the dude is like hercules 251 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 4: out there, and I don't take it. 252 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 5: Away from him. But like again, like we're. 253 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 4: Talking just about measuring value, and I just you know, 254 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 4: to me, there's a lot value and one position over 255 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 4: every other position in baseball, and that's catcher. And maybe 256 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 4: I'm biased because I played it poorly in college, but 257 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 4: like it's just and I watched so many catchers flame 258 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 4: out and so many guys that you think are gonna 259 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 4: be good and it just doesn't happen. And here's a 260 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 4: guy that put together this sort of season and we'll 261 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 4: never see a season like this again. He doesn't, you know, 262 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 4: there is never going to be a season like this 263 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 4: from a catcher ever again in. 264 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: Baseball, true, true, okay, stack cast. I once watched a 265 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: home run on stack cast at Steinbriger Field that went 266 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 2: three hundred and fifteen feet in defence was three twenty, 267 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: so I've yet to figure out how stack cast works. 268 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: And then they went back and changed it. So you 269 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: can take stack cast sometimes and throw it out the window. 270 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: But this is my vote. My vote doesn't matter. Before 271 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: we ask you, guys, who you think is gonna win 272 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: because of voting. Cal Rawley's gonna win because Divish is 273 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: in the Hall of Torture and Chris I don't know 274 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: if you guys are in the same hotel, but his 275 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: room wins, so therefore Cal is going to win because 276 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 2: just because of the background. That's it. No unbiased opinion 277 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: as it can get. 278 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you that it's not going to 279 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 3: be unanimous if if Judge wins or Rally wins. I've 280 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 3: spoken with voters who have voted for Raleigh. I've spoken 281 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 3: with voters who voted for Judge, so I think it 282 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 3: might be a close race. But again, I would be 283 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: surprised if Judge didn't win, just considering his numbers. 284 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I think Judge is probably going to win. 285 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 4: I don't necessarily agree with it, but I've kind of done, 286 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 4: you know, the internal polling as well, and I think 287 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 4: Judge might edge cal out minimally. And that's I mean, 288 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 4: that's what's crazy. Like I was looking when at the 289 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 4: numbers and you just go through, I mean, think about this, 290 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 4: Jose Ramirez is probably going to finish third, Bobby what's 291 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 4: going to finish fourth? And look at the seasons they 292 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 4: produced as well. What the top two guys have done 293 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 4: is so different than anybody else in a long time 294 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 4: in baseball. That's what's made this so unique. I mean, 295 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 4: you look at Ramiers this year, you look at Witch years, 296 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 4: you look at all this stuff that they're they're very 297 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 4: MVP caliber, and then you have these two guys doing 298 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 4: stuff that hasn't been done in the game. And that's 299 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 4: what's pretty ridiculous about all of it. 300 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 6: Does this mean this is pretty and Chris, does this 301 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 6: mean if Aaron Judge wins that a catcher will never 302 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 6: win the MVP again because the last one to win 303 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 6: it was Buster Posey and it's going to take massive, 304 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 6: massive numbers. 305 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: If cal Rally does not win this year. 306 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: I don't think it means a catcher is not going 307 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: to win. I just think, you know, we see it 308 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 3: across other sports, like sometimes guys have crazy seasons and 309 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 3: don't win MVP because another guy had a crazy season. 310 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: So I don't I don't think it means that a 311 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 3: catcher is not going to win again. 312 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: Okay, so we just got away for judging Otani to retire. 313 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: Then what you're saying, Oh yeah, I mean, I mean 314 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: it's crazy though, And I know, Christy, I know you're 315 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: a Yankee homer. I get it, But like, aren't people 316 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: tired of voting for Judge? Aren't they tired of voting 317 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: for Judge? 318 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 3: I'm certainly not a Yankees homer. I think if you 319 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: ask whence, they would say the opposite of that. 320 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 5: So I think I. 321 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 3: Think there's definitely judging Otani fatigue. But again, if they're 322 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: going to continue putting up crazy numbers, then they should 323 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 3: be rewarded. It's like the NBA with Nicole Jokic. If 324 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 3: Yoki is going to go crazy every single year, does 325 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: that mean he shouldn't win MVP just because he has 326 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 3: good numbers and the other guys don't have as good numbers, 327 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 3: So I don't get the argument when it comes to 328 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 3: voter fatigue. If a player deserves it, then they should win, 329 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 3: no matter how many MVPs they've won. 330 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: That's fair. Before we let you go, I gotta know, 331 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: we talked manager of the Year before you guys came 332 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: on here. So it was winning the manager of the 333 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: year in the American League. And I know Divish, because 334 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: he's a Mariner's homer, was definitely gonna say Dan Wilson. 335 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: But I'm expecting what do y'all to say? John Schneider, 336 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: probably the guy that's right here on the screen. 337 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 4: I'm thinking bout. I think Voat's gonna win it. He 338 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 4: should win it. Vote had the least amount of talent. 339 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 4: I mean, they were gutting that team. You know, they 340 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 4: dropped Naylor, they got rid of guys, and you know, 341 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 4: at one point in the season they were cooked, and 342 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 4: then you know, they. 343 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 5: Just kept playing. 344 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 4: And Stephen Bote is one of the best human beings 345 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 4: I've ever been around. He was with the Mariners for 346 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 4: one year and I think he does a fantastic job. 347 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 5: I you know, given what he had the talent he 348 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 5: had to do. What they did this year. 349 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 4: I think that's deserving a Manager of the Year, but 350 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 4: not everybody looks into that perspective, and so much of 351 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 4: it is based on what you thought the team was 352 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 4: going to be before. I will say this about Schneider, like, 353 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 4: there's a lot that can go wrong in Toronto and 354 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 4: people have kind of you know before or the shoo. 355 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 4: People are always looking for something to go wrong. I 356 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 4: thought he did a great job. I think it's I 357 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,479 Speaker 4: think all three of these guys. The big thing is 358 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 4: it's not like strategy, because they've been beaten up for 359 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 4: their strategy, all three of them. But what these guys 360 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 4: get is the players to prepare and play and play 361 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 4: for each other in a way that I think that's 362 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 4: the biggest part of manager. 363 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 5: We talk about the whole bullpen stuff. 364 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 4: Getting guys to show up and work and compete every 365 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 4: single day. That's the biggest role of the manager. It's 366 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 4: not you know, who's going to pinch hit in the seventh. 367 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 3: I think Schneider is gonna win. Okay, Schneider's gonna win 368 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 3: with because you know, Ryan was mentioning it. Tono was 369 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 3: projected to finish in last place in the Al East, 370 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 3: and there was a ton of heat on Schneider going 371 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 3: into the season. I mean, you could certainly make the 372 00:18:54,960 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 3: argument that Schneider and Ross Atkins were managing and general 373 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 3: managing for their jobs coming into the year, and they 374 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 3: ended up going to the World Series and had the 375 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 3: best record in the American League. So what Schneider did 376 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 3: this year to frankly save his job definitely deserves consideration 377 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 3: for Manager of the Year. 378 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: All right, well, glad we're on the same page on 379 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: that one. 380 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 2: East coast bias is real. 381 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 6: East coast, west coast bias. To be in the hills 382 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 6: of Montana, he's still west coast bias. 383 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: You guys should actually kind of what east coast bias 384 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 2: Wayne to the east. 385 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: Stephen Midwest that. 386 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 5: We should be in Vegas in zone. 387 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: Come on, Cleveland's the Midwest. 388 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 2: David, you don't want me and you in Vegas for 389 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 2: a couple. 390 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 5: Of days ago, Well that's what I was gonna say. 391 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 5: Are you even allowed in Vegas anymore? 392 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: I didn't know that. 393 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: He has to be uh what do they call it supervised? 394 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah, when he goes into Vegas. 395 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 6: When he goes into Vegas, he gets one of those 396 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 6: cones that they put on the dog after surgery, and 397 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 6: that's how AJ has to walk around just like this 398 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 6: all the time in Vegas. 399 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 4: I thought you were gonna go shot caller instead, so 400 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 4: like you're holding every time shock him. 401 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, get off, get out of that table too. 402 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 2: No, you can't talk to those people. No, you can't 403 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: do that. 404 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: All right, we've at that point of the segment. Good 405 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: stuff there. 406 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks you guys both. 407 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: For joining us. I really appreciate it. I know you 408 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: got a lot going on right now. So, uh, you 409 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: can catch Chris and his coverage in the Athletic and 410 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: you can catch Ryan and his coverage in the Seattle Times. 411 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: Thanks guys, talk seeing see you guys at MGM Odds. 412 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: At the start of the of spring training, not even 413 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: at the start of the year, Judge was at plus 414 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: three Hundo, Cale. 415 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: Rolly was plus ten. I hope someone and you know, 416 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: there's some bets out there. 417 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: On Raleigh, but at this point there's. 418 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 2: Probably Marritors fan that threw through some money. Not one bet, 419 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 2: not one person in the world bet. 420 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 421 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 6: Oh no, no, no, no, I'm saying I bought I bought it. 422 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 6: When you first said he's gonna be the MVP. That 423 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 6: was before, like before even like June, or maybe it 424 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 6: was like June first. You said it, and I think 425 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 6: I got it at like plus twelve hundred at that 426 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 6: point or plus eight hundred. 427 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 2: I have to go back and look. 428 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: So Judge was still dominant. Remember after what two three 429 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: weeks the Milwaukee Series already at like minus something to win. 430 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: A torpedo bets. Yeah, it was the Milwaukee Series. 431 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the season of the torpedo Uh well, 432 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: actually it kind of was for cal Raley. 433 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 2: Cal used it, you know that guy. Yeah, but I'm 434 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: saying the first four games was the Torpedo Bats series 435 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: when the Yankees were like all using them and they 436 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: hit all those homers off the Brewers the four game sweep, 437 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 2: and everyone's like, oh, the new thing the torpedo Bat 438 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: had that guy. I mean, they both didn't make the 439 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: l C, so not that. 440 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: Great, right. The impacted some guys and it didn't impact 441 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: many others. And that's actually what happens. Make the World 442 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: Series the Mariners, Mate, you're talking about the Mariners. 443 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 2: I'm talking about I'm talking about the Yankees and the Bruers. Sorry, 444 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: the Brewers made the the Yankees. 445 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, if you watched the first four games 446 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: and you were a buyer into the Torpedo Bats and 447 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: also thought, oh, man, brus don't have any pitching. Wrong 448 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: and wrong. Do we value war enough for catchers? That's 449 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: the only thing I'm thinking about, Like, are they getting enough? 450 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: Can't quantify it? 451 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, they get some credit, extra credit, But I'm like, 452 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: do they. 453 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: Get You can't quantify it, that's mine look at their salaries. 454 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: They can't. They can't quantify it. 455 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 5: They won't. 456 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: That's true. 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Jeff Fletcher 481 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: wrote a story in the Orange County Register about Lucas 482 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: Giolito not working out for the Angels a couple seasons 483 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: ago when they acquired him, and they brought up his 484 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: divorce as reasoning. 485 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 2: You love the Angel Scott. 486 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: The Angels are the gift that keeps on giving content wise, 487 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: and Fletcher is one of the beat reporters out there. 488 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: This is definitely coming from a team official. They don't 489 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: mess around with their coverage the part from the story. 490 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: The Angels believe part of what went wrong with Giolito 491 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: then was that he had started divorce proceedings right before 492 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: the trade, unbeknownst to the Angels when they made the 493 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: deal and he was distracted. Sam Blom, who covers the 494 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: Angels for The Athletic Quote, tweeted it and said, Wow, 495 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: can't believe this was said. I Agreenumber one absolute shot fired. 496 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: Number two you can still pitch despite going through a 497 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: divorce proceeding. Number three krats it was public information before 498 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: they acquired him. And number four he probably had a 499 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: messed up elbow since he underwent Tommy John surgery soon 500 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: after that. 501 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 6: Anything else, I'm just going to hit the one thing 502 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 6: because people forget when we talk about players like that, 503 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 6: they're humans. Like everybody thinks like this mercenary just came 504 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 6: in to pitch for their team and it didn't go well. 505 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 6: For whoever said this, I don't care if it is 506 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 6: the lowest totem pole person who leaked this out. For 507 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 6: whoever said this, screw you, because what he's going through 508 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 6: in his personal life could affect what's going on in 509 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 6: the field, whether it's been out there, whether anybody knows 510 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 6: it or not. 511 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: All that stuff. 512 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 6: You don't need to bring that up. You don't need 513 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 6: to bring personal things up in evaluating why somebody not publicly, 514 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 6: maybe hey, you know what we're going through this, we're 515 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 6: you know, we're talking about this internally, Hey, this person's 516 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 6: going through it. Maybe that goes into your discussion internally. 517 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 6: Don't ever bring it up in the public. I just 518 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 6: don't understand it. 519 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: But the other thing is, didn't they trade for him 520 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: and then they shipped them to Cleveland right after. 521 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: The dump deadline? 522 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: And then Ronaldo Lopez? Didn't they then show Cleveland like 523 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 2: the same time. Yes, and you only had a few 524 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 2: starts with the Angels, right like three or four starts, 525 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: and then they're like, oh, no, never mind, what change 526 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 2: am I? We're going to tell you guys right. 527 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: One of the dumbest. 528 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 2: It was one of the craziest things. But to say, 529 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 2: I agree with Chriss to say this, but this goes 530 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: back to our point we always talk about in here. 531 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 2: Players aren't robots. Things happen off the field. Now. Listen, 532 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 2: I played with dudes that were going through it, and 533 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 2: they played better because they were distracted and they were 534 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: thinking about other stuff and then I played dudes with 535 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 2: the smallest, littlest, tiniest thing. To most people, they were 536 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 2: like sit in a corner and crawl up in a 537 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 2: ball because they couldn't handle it. So it's different personalities. 538 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 2: That's why scouting is important. Makeup for guys is important, 539 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: and trying to figure that out. But to say, oh, 540 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 2: he didn't pitch Goodness three or four starts because he 541 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 2: was going through divorce, which was public at that time. 542 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 2: This is just bad. It's just bad. It's just not cool. Sorry, 543 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,719 Speaker 2: it's not cool. Many the Angels have been through enough recently. 544 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 2: Aren't they still going through enough? At this point? 545 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: They can't stop every person involved to say in the 546 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: front office of it was coming from there, from commenting, 547 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: especially anonymously. 548 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 2: I don't love this, but what are you gonna do? 549 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: But that's why we're bringing it up, because we're like, 550 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: what this is. 551 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 6: Where Maybe this is too much, but we all we 552 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 6: always talk about the little things with the Angels. Maybe 553 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 6: this is too much to like lump this in with it. 554 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 6: But organizations that are run well and run from the top, 555 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 6: they have issues, they have problems, yes, but if it 556 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 6: constantly keeps coming up with your organization. There needs to 557 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 6: be a discussion about that. There needs to be a 558 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 6: change because it all filters down from the top. I'm 559 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 6: not saying it's perimin Asian. I'm not even saying it's 560 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 6: just it's just Arty moreno, I could point more towards 561 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 6: ARTI moreno than periman Asian. But if it keeps happening, 562 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 6: you have to look to the top because that idea, 563 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 6: those like those things that are allowed you hold everybody 564 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 6: to a higher standard, and it starts from the top. 565 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: By the way, for more context on this article, he 566 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: was talking about rotation options for the Angels this offseason. 567 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: You know it's not gonna help you sign Lucas Giolito. 568 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: This is season back there. Let's say pay him way. 569 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: More, way more. This is bad pr to release something 570 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: like that about someone like that. I'm not saying to 571 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: reveal it again, we know it's revealed, but to be like, oh, yeah, 572 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: you can pitch well because he was going through divorce 573 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: shootings like oh really, you know. 574 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: But this had to come for somebody has some sort 575 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: of power in the organization. Yes, this isn't from like 576 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 2: an usher that's in the third Death, like I'm serious, 577 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 2: Like this had to come with somebody with a little 578 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: knowledge of the situation, right, so that it's just it's 579 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: a weird thing to say. 580 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 6: I mean, not not sign Lucas Giolito, how about not 581 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 6: sign anybody? 582 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 2: How about nobody? 583 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 6: How about the fact that if this comes out and 584 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 6: I'm a free agent and they come to me with 585 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 6: a nice offer, maybe even the biggest offer, You're gonna 586 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 6: have some explaining to do, Like I'm gonna need to 587 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 6: find out like, because I want to be part of 588 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 6: this quote family. Yes, I want the money. Yes, that's 589 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 6: what free agents are looking for. But other free agents 590 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 6: are gonna look at this and be. 591 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: Like who who? 592 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,239 Speaker 2: I better be careful. I get it. 593 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 6: I'm accepting this money. But I don't know that I 594 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 6: can get super close with anybody because anything that I 595 00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 6: anything that I'm confidently telling them in in secret, that 596 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 6: I think is going to stay in might get out. 597 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 6: This might cook them for more than just the Giolito 598 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 6: signing That wasn't gonna happen anyway. 599 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: Is it going to get leaked by the HVAC technician 600 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: too soon? Last thing, I. 601 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 2: Don't think I mean, I think you guys are taking 602 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 2: it I'm gonna be I don't know that other than Geolito, 603 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 2: I don't think it. It affects other free agents you 604 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 2: don't really want. I don't think so. I think that 605 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 2: Giolito it might affect, but I don't think it's gonna 606 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: affect it because if they come with the competitive offer 607 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: and they beat other offers. Listen, say what you want 608 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 2: about Anaheim, Los Angeles, Anaheim of Angels of Anaheim, or 609 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 2: whatever the hell you want to call them. An I'm 610 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 2: still a pretty good place to be. Like, if you could, 611 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: if you make a lot of money, you go live 612 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 2: on Newport Coast and and go to Javiers every day 613 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 2: and hang out on the beaches and all that. It's 614 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 2: pretty good living down there. It's not La but you 615 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 2: still get the weather, and you still get some other stuff. 616 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 2: You get less traffic and all that stuff. It's it's 617 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 2: a pretty good place. And if you can figure out, 618 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: because I was there in two thousand and two when 619 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 2: they had the rally, the rally sticks and the monkey, 620 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: the stupid monkey guy, the monkey jumping around and the 621 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 2: rally monkey jumping around. I was there. We lost, and 622 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 2: they all see us. To them, it's a pretty awesome 623 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 2: place when they're going right, if you could be the 624 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 2: one of the free ags, help turning around, give me 625 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 2: a special place. So I don't know that. I don't 626 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 2: know this affects anybody other than Lucas Giolito. But it's 627 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 2: just not a good thing to say. 628 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more just whoever told that to Jeff for 629 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: the story? Really? Yeah, that's all really, And again, if 630 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: you really want to go, we have Jeff here, that's 631 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: right showtime. But if you really want to go performance, 632 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you got elbow surgery soon after that, right 633 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: soon after that season ended, he shows up for spring 634 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: training and gets elbow surgery. There's a chance he didn't 635 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: pitch well because he had a compromised UCL. I would 636 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: say that's a better chance of being the problem. And 637 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: that you could say we didn't know, because nobody knew 638 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: that until you want to the Red Sox and they 639 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: found it could have happened then, but usually there's already 640 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: some wear and tear when that happens. Just throwing that 641 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: out there. You guys remember Dustin Garnett. 642 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 2: The catcher. 643 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a catching coach now for the Braves. He 644 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: was the bullpen coach for the Rockies last season. So 645 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: if you can make it through that, you can make 646 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: it through anything. The Rockies bullpen this past season. Holy shit. 647 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: And he was the catching and game planing coordinator for 648 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: the team's minor league system the previous two years. He's 649 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: gonna be like, damn upgrade. 650 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: Yeah for real, for real? 651 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, did you come across him at all cracks? 652 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? 653 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 6: We played again, I mean played against each other, and 654 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 6: let's see, probably like fifteen on he was kinda yeah, 655 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 6: he was in that I've forgetting what his name is, 656 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 6: the big strong right hander. They kind of came up together, 657 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 6: Uh by hand hitting catcher ended up going to the the. 658 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 2: Rocky Huh Tom Murphy, Tom Murphy. 659 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, him and Garneault we're kind of passing passing in 660 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 6: the night at the same time. 661 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 2: Did you get to about his back and he suing 662 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 2: the Giants or something? 663 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, did you guys read about that. 664 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 2: I don't know the whole story, but he's suing the 665 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 2: Giants right because he misdiagnosed him or something. 666 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pretty wild story. Basically, he said his 667 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: herniated disc wasn't treated correctly, misdiagnosed as a mild obleache, 668 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: strain that made it worse than sent to an outside 669 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: clink by the team. But this is all coming from him. 670 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: But they were injecting the wrong disc with an epidural 671 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: and later admitted that was the problem again according to 672 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: a story that was on his account, and said it's 673 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: malpractice and messed him up. 674 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: We should bring him on. I don't know. 675 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: You don't want to ask him about that. 676 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: I don't I don't talk about I don't speculate on 677 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 2: injuries and stuff like that. I don't know. That's it. 678 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 2: That's what he says. And that's the side of the story. 679 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 2: And then you got to get the Giants involved, Okay, 680 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 2: I don't know. 681 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: Well, we're probably going to learn about that at some point. 682 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 2: That case, this has been happening for a while though. 683 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: What where someone gets hurt Tom Murphy thing, Oh Murphy's thing. Yeah, Well, 684 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: because there was what was the Darren ruff had had 685 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: something too? 686 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 2: That was he tarp Yeah he. 687 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: Was he on the Giants at the time. 688 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 2: Hmmm. I don't know if it was a Giant now 689 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 2: I think it was a Bruce. Here's the Bruce. 690 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: Okay, hey we're here. Kyle Hendrix might be here too soon. 691 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: He might be in the media. He's definitely gonna do 692 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: something great speaker, retiring after twelve years in the big leagues. Congratulations, 693 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: nice run World Series. 694 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 2: Jo. 695 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, did a lot with a little even though that 696 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: might not sound fair. I mean, he wasn't pumping a hondo. 697 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: It was clinical. The professor was the nickname. 698 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 2: He was on here too. 699 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 6: I'd never talked to him before, and when he came 700 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 6: on here, he was not like because you just see 701 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 6: him walk off the mound after like getting the third 702 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 6: out in the fifth end of the World Series. When 703 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 6: he's on here, he's super engaging, very humble, always talking 704 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 6: about other people. I think, congratulations, what a. 705 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 2: Career media or team he's going front office office? Yeah, 706 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 2: I think he's he's a front He's got front office 707 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 2: written on him some team, and just because the heck, 708 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 2: who knows he might be GM with some team next year. 709 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 2: The way teams are highering these days, who knows he 710 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 2: might Actually he might be too old to be a 711 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 2: GM or manager. At this point, the Rockies are pissed 712 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 2: they made their move too soon. They were like, damn, 713 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 2: we could have offered Carlo instead of getting a guy 714 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 2: from football. We could have got a guy that just 715 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 2: we could have had. We could have had him and 716 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 2: Ottovino at the same time. We could have together. Actually, 717 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 2: hope they had Auto Hindo. 718 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: That's a GM or assistant jam in Colorado. I hope 719 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: they do